00:00:01 making normal races unable to eat up to engorged from permafood sounds totally wrong, if that's what you're actually saying 00:01:39 MarvinPA: Yes it is what I was saying, so you think that shouldn't be a thing? 00:02:07 i can't imagine why it would be 00:03:05 Well the point was to perserve the tactical effect of food costs, since most species can't go around the dungeon being Engorged now. 00:03:18 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:49 So how far do they eat up? Full, or just somewhere in the big, fuzzy range that is "neither hungry nor full"? 00:04:06 The big fuzzy range, it can be changed to full easily. 00:04:24 wait 00:04:28 Not somewhere. They can't get to full and can eat once hungry. 00:04:32 even Tr can't eat chunks anymore? 00:04:41 Lightli: Yes that's my plant to start out. 00:04:45 plan. 00:04:54 -!- mumi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:54 And then I'll revert that if testing shows it's bad. 00:05:10 yeah, tr has the most ridiculous metabolism of any race for a reason 00:05:19 one thing about being engorged that's tactical is that it's helpful to do before a big fight 00:05:30 if you're going to be channeling/casting big spells 00:05:33 what about vamp weapons 00:05:34 -!- asema has quit [Changing host] 00:05:48 ontoclasm: Doh, thanks for bring that up. 00:05:55 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:14 yes you can eat up to full plenty currently, and in particular the thing that makes chunkless better than non-chunkless is that you can eat up to full and have to eat less often 00:06:34 Hmm, I'll probably switch normal species to Full, if the limited range is worth keeping at all. 00:06:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-1097-g7aedcd2: Don't carry over sealed featured into the Abyss (#8601) 10(44 seconds ago, 4 files, 11+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7aedcd24e1be 00:08:10 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1096-g5ff1a9f (34) 00:08:23 MarvinPA: My thoughts were chunkless was good for avoiding pressing "c". Removing the other things you mentioned is something I would seperate into a differant project, probably goldification. 00:09:01 MarvinPA: Which I would like to try eventually. I just don't want to try to bit off too much. Chunkless is a big enough change as-is. 00:09:14 so when this is done will chunks exist at all? How will sublimination of blood and simulacrum work then 00:09:43 Lightli: I mentioned what I change locally before in a previous message. Read it and see if "remove chunks" is on it. :D 00:09:49 ok 00:09:59 ok 00:11:43 well removing chunks but limiting permafood in the same way that chunks are limited sounds like it would have a worse interface in a lot of cases rather than being an improvement 00:11:54 limiting when permafood can be eaten* 00:12:27 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:37 -!- zxc232 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:52 I've been playtesting it and it feels better to me, will probably be even better once autoeat is updated. 00:13:44 I do want to remove the limit etc. etc, but I feel this version of chunkless is a good intermediatary change. And if it isn't, We'll remove that bit before merging into Trunk. 00:14:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16:13 hm 00:16:19 autoexplore doesn't seem to explore onto corpses anymore? 00:16:24 (at least it doesn't for gw) 00:16:43 -!- ontoclasm has left ##crawl-dev 00:16:57 explore_stop += greedy_sacrificeable doesn't work for me (lugonu) by morik 00:16:57 iirc it only ever did that for corpse sacrifice gods 00:17:10 Speaking of which. 00:17:52 indeed 00:18:04 -!- Stendarr|2 is now known as Stendarr 00:18:12 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:32 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1097-g7aedcd2 (34) 00:18:58 Sad all the servers are just barely missing new_nemelex 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1098-g8f60423: Change Nemelex piety gain to piety from exploration. 10(3 weeks ago, 7 files, 34+ 112-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f6042381695 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1099-g9820907: Change peek at two. 10(3 weeks ago, 4 files, 54+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9820907aeb13 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1100-g89ace16: Alter the decks Nemelex gifts. 10(2 weeks ago, 5 files, 24+ 65-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=89ace16763fe 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1101-g5d578cf: Rework the Flame card. 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 41+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d578cf1fbba 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1102-g2adf8a4: Replace Hammer card with Fortitude. 10(2 weeks ago, 9 files, 59+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2adf8a44e96d 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1103-ga295455: The Spark -> the Storm 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 36+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2954550f67a 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1104-g1ee73f3: Reduce Flight card to Shaft card. 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 12+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ee73f30e7cf 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1105-gf6e6667: New card: the Illusion 10(2 weeks ago, 5 files, 47+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6e66672eb61 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1106-gb48a771: Change Velocity card. 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 81+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b48a7715b0e0 00:20:04 03N7829102 {reaverb} 07* 0.15-a0-1107-g4940a73: Tweak Elixir card. 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4940a7320d2c 00:20:04 ... and 2 more commits 00:20:06 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:20:36 aaaa I wanted to sleep 00:20:45 but now I'll have two dozen nemelex changes to read right 00:20:46 sleep now, wake up to refreshed servers 00:20:46 or more 00:21:28 Grunt: Ha, I got it^ 00:21:38 Those mostly aren't your commits! <_< 00:21:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-1110-g1e9b520: Fix sacrificeable explore (gw, morik, #8608). 10(82 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e9b5204e7c4 00:21:52 eb_: I carefully rewrote the history just to make it easier for you. 00:22:10 o 00:22:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:27 Grunt: Some of them contain bits of my code fixing up little things N78291 missed. 00:22:45 and also rebasing it to master. 00:22:57 Oh, mostly, oops. 00:23:51 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:55 Hmm, now I should probably get rid of the genie card. 00:24:22 very nethack card 00:26:04 ??crd 00:26:04 c-r-d[1/2]: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.games.roguelike.crawl.devel 00:26:08 ??crd [2] 00:26:08 c-r-d[2/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 00:27:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:28:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1110-g1e9b520 (34) 00:28:57 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1110-g1e9b520 (34) 00:32:01 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:32:20 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140524030204]] 00:33:23 -!- eb_ has quit [] 00:34:18 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:50 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:37:40 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:47 -!- morik has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:06 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:42:55 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43:05 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:54 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:47:15 !tell PleasingFungus I like the mangosteen that you slipped into the new fruits 00:47:15 magicpoints: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:49:24 !tell PleasingFungus I cannot believe you forgot breadfruit in your new fruits!!!! 00:49:25 reaverb: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:50:12 oh no not the genie card! 00:50:20 rip acquire before deah 00:50:22 *death 00:50:44 What is this "acquire before death" 00:50:53 from getting a genie card 00:51:01 instead of the card that would have saved you from death 00:51:16 !tell PleasingFungus Oh wait, you did remember breadfruit. oops. 00:51:17 reaverb: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:51:23 gammafunk: Heh. 00:52:10 !greaterplayer 00:52:14 Unwon backgrounds for gammafunk: Abyssal Knight, Air Elementalist, Arcane Marksman, Assassin, Berserker, Enchanter, Fire Elementalist, Gladiator, Healer, Hunter, Skald, Summoner, Venom Mage, Warper, Wizard 00:52:19 !greatplayer 00:52:23 Unwon species for gammafunk: Centaur, Deep Dwarf, Deep Elf, Formicid, Hill Orc, Human, Kobold, Merfolk, Minotaur, Mummy, Naga, Spriggan, Tengu, Troll, Vine Stalker 00:52:24 I wonder how long it will take for mangosteen to get mentioned in the SA thread 00:55:06 maybe a NaVM of nem 00:56:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:56:56 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:57:53 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:57:58 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:07 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:21 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:51 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:37 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:20:53 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:21:18 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:26:37 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Use !messages to read them. 04:56:58 since directn.cc is so much fun 04:58:13 heh, yeah 04:58:35 I wonder why it's called directn. 04:58:45 -!- FVG_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:58:59 awful close to ancient DOS filename limitations? 04:59:11 It was more than 8 before extension though, wasn't it? 04:59:46 it was 8.3 05:00:01 that's my theory then 05:00:09 but it's 7 characters 05:00:16 but if it's direction 05:00:17 what then 05:00:34 what would we do then?! 05:01:05 it's probably an abbrevation of direct-something, but god knows what 05:01:22 or maybe it's dire ctn 05:01:29 where ctn is a tla 05:01:58 the main class is direction_chooser 05:02:09 so I always assumed it was just a weird abbreviation for direction 05:02:15 so yeah I guess it probably is that 05:02:16 hmm 05:03:29 then some total jerk came along and made files like attitude-change.cc etc 05:04:01 and make DOS development of crawl a nightmare 05:04:46 the worst offenders are dgn-irregular-box.cc and windowmanager-sdl.cc 05:10:17 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:17:37 am I imagining things or were OOD centaur warriors toned down at some point 05:17:41 I haven't run into one in ages 05:18:12 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:46:08 !funtion _select_ds_mutations 05:46:17 !function _select_ds_mutations 05:46:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc;hb=HEAD#l2250 05:53:56 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:00:32 !function MiscastEffect::_ice 06:00:33 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-miscast.cc;hb=HEAD#l2226 06:07:53 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:13:50 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:31 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:16:12 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:16:42 -!- morik has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:55 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:26:44 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:24 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:28 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:55 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:46:45 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:46:54 -!- morik has joined ##crawl-dev 06:50:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:33 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:02 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:43 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:55 -!- rast- is now known as rast 07:08:47 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:43 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09:45 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:31 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:14:49 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:56 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:01 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:04 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:23 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 07:24:52 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:25:01 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 07:31:09 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:02 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:45 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:48 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:36:38 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:39:30 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:12 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:50 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:14 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:26 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:13 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:51 New branch created: noitemdest (3 commits) 07:46:51 03gammafunk02 07[noitemdest] * 0.15-a0-1111-g9bbd44a: Destroy item destruction 10(3 days ago, 14 files, 32+ 260-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bbd44acf883 07:46:51 03gammafunk02 07[noitemdest] * 0.15-a0-1112-g88254b9: Remove jewelry and armour sources of conservation 10(3 days ago, 26 files, 42+ 59-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88254b9eb2d1 07:46:51 03gammafunk02 07[noitemdest] * 0.15-a0-1113-g90b5c04: Rework demonspawn mutation tiers involving conservation 10(4 hours ago, 6 files, 65+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90b5c04ae86c 07:46:53 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:53 it begins 07:47:30 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 07:48:15 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:15 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:51:06 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:12 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:33 An item destruction in your inventory freezes and shatters! 07:55:43 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:46 s/inventory/repository/ 07:59:41 when i saw the middle commit i was actually going to complain about the maxwell's nerf but then i saw you accounted for it 08:00:18 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:49 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:01:47 -!- CSDCS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:05 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:38 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:05:54 rip preservation 08:06:33 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:55 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:09:29 wheals: yeah, I didn't know quite what to do there 08:09:47 preservation was such a good ego; at first I just gave it magic resistance, but then I figured something more powerful was appropriate 08:09:49 Is there any chance of getting rCorr back on Maxwell's? I liked how it was one of the very few non-amulet sources of that 08:10:15 magicpoints: I would have liked to do that, yes, but turning an amulat into an armor ego is a bad idea 08:10:19 *amulet 08:10:34 <|amethyst> could be an ARTP 08:10:37 preservation was two amulets in an armor ego 08:10:38 otoh it could lose the ego and just get it as an artefact property 08:10:47 Lightli: right, so not a single amulet 08:10:54 good point 08:11:39 I guest rcorr on its own is ok, but I wonder if it could have...maybe mr and rcor? 08:11:45 yeah could have mr ego and rcorr artp 08:12:24 rF and rC are nice, but felt a lot less special IMO since they're more common 08:12:39 well I think *just* rcorr is not great, but I could see mr + rcorr 08:12:48 not exactly synergistic 08:12:53 hrm, maybe rpois and rcorr 08:13:08 more thematically sensible I guess 08:13:30 wheals: feel free to make a commit tweaking maxwell's however you'd like 08:13:34 Originally I was thinking of the rCorr in addition to the Resistance, but it's your commit 08:13:40 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:43 no that seems excessive 08:13:56 merge it with augmentation, it's like a skeletal robot suit 08:13:57 or at least, I'd like to not change its power level too much 08:14:09 Well it is still Maxwell's with -Tele and -Cast :p 08:14:27 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:14:29 well mr makes sense in the context of -cast 08:14:58 !log 08:14:58 3103. wheals, XL27 OgAs, T:96052: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wheals/morgue-wheals-20140528-123102.txt 08:15:11 oh by the way i only got 125 large rocks 08:15:19 not bad 08:15:26 I think I had fewer on my TrWr 08:15:31 i probably could have used them more but they were still very useful 08:15:32 but close to that 08:15:40 I was with qaz 08:15:43 so I got to use them a lot 08:15:47 &dump splat 08:15:48 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/splat/splat.txt 08:15:50 wheals: did you every use more than 12? 08:15:55 *ever 08:16:11 A few times I spammed more than a dozen,but not many times 08:16:16 maybe in zot:5, but not really in one fight (ie if i had apport i could have made do with those) 08:16:19 and it didn't feel like those times were critical 08:16:27 i just didn't want to go forward in the vault to pick them up 08:16:57 yeah I kind of wonder if it matters to have such ridiculous numbers of missiles 08:17:04 when they're not going to be used 08:17:15 throwzig 08:17:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:29 it's not exactly a problem that the player has so many 08:17:30 -!- magicpoints has quit [Quit: work] 08:17:48 they could definitely have mulch rate increased more, though 08:17:57 yeah, for rocks in particular 08:18:08 perhaps all throwing items, but it's tricker for early game 08:18:14 and maybe start the player with a bit more to balance that? 08:18:17 rocks tend to not show up until later 08:18:21 yeah, true 08:18:22 since yeah 08:19:44 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27:14 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28:35 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:30:15 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 08:31:00 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:31:48 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:54 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:17 is noitemdest going to be a branch or committed to trunk? 08:44:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:49:43 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:50:16 -!- morik has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:25 -!- MDvedh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:00:35 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:17 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:32 well it is a branch, and of course the plan would be to merge to trunk 09:05:01 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:08 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:40 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:13 !tell wheals ooops, yea rotatell was down. I rebooted the VPS last night and forgot that the bots aren't on auto-reconnect 09:07:13 johnstein: OK, I'll let wheals know. 09:07:19 !tell wheals thanks 09:07:20 johnstein: OK, I'll let wheals know. 09:07:35 ok, just a bit sad to not see my win announced 09:10:27 :C 09:10:32 !won wheals 09:10:33 wheals has won 17 times in 3103 games (0.55%): 1xCeHu 1xDDBe 1xDsFE 1xFeVM 1xGhVM 1xGrVM 1xHEIE 1xHOBe 1xHaBe 1xKoBe 1xLOFi 1xMfGl 1xMiBe 1xOgAs 1xSpEn 1xTeSk 1xVSCK 09:10:39 !lg 09:10:40 3103. wheals the Green Ogre (L27 OgAs of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-28 12:31:02, with 1430503 points after 96052 turns and 3:37:43. 09:10:40 !lg wheals won 09:10:40 17. wheals the Green Ogre (L27 OgAs of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-28 12:31:02, with 1430503 points after 96052 turns and 3:37:43. 09:10:45 CONGRATS 09:10:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:59 accidentally flooding the game with fruit helped 09:16:40 OgAs = o gas = autoexplore all the time? 09:23:35 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:24:38 -!- Adeon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:13 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Noeda 09:31:51 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 09:37:47 Ortolf takes off an uncursed bloodstained plate armour. 09:37:47 Ortolf drops an uncursed bloodstained plate armour. 09:37:47 _Ortolf wears an uncursed bloodstained plate armour. 09:39:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:53 Here: Ortolf the orc warlord, wielding an executioner's axe, wearing an 09:40:53 uncursed bloodstained plate armour and wearing a large shield (friendly) 09:40:57 that's not quite right either 09:45:23 cave orcs have three hands 09:45:46 orcmicids 09:46:14 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:28 ok, bugs seem to be out 09:52:37 0.15 features: all bugs removed 09:53:43 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:11 rip giant cockroaches 09:55:11 rip 09:55:35 powerful --he buffs 09:56:02 ontoclasm, are you poking at the death's door icon idea you had, or should I just go ahead and put in my very simple 'door' icon for now? 09:56:39 wheals: What are you doing, Beogh buffs? 09:56:55 something like that 09:57:48 Ilya's ghost says very slowly, "There's no hope". Ilya's ghost points at you and mumbles some strange words. The bolt of lightning hits you! Ouch! That really hurt! You die... 09:58:40 also I just realized ghost capitalize the i for whatever reason even though it should be lowercase 09:58:49 *ghosts 09:59:16 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807]] 09:59:35 !bug 8431 09:59:35 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8431 09:59:49 there is nothing new under the sun :) 10:00:51 bleh 10:01:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:57 -!- Morik_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:02:08 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02:13 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:02:46 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1111-g76d6fdf: The start: don't let monsters pick up items you've seen. 10(2 weeks ago, 3 files, 8+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=76d6fdf29a37 10:02:46 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1112-g40715cc: Don't let friendlies pick up anything at all. 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 7+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=40715cc413a9 10:02:46 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1113-g7f216ff: Remove the now-superfluous friendly_pickup command suite. 10(2 weeks ago, 14 files, 6+ 117-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f216ff0641a 10:02:46 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1114-gd1b8b35: Don't let monsters pick up miscellaneous items. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1b8b352da7b 10:02:46 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1115-g5712dba: Move some of Maurice's stealing code into its own function. 10(15 hours ago, 2 files, 53+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5712dba9fee5 10:02:46 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1116-gb2ae074: Add a "Give item to follower" invocation for Beogh (evilmike). 10(10 minutes ago, 6 files, 117+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2ae07411e18 10:02:56 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:03:13 (it's showing all of them since i rebased locally and force-pushed) 10:03:20 but the last two are new 10:03:48 rebase & force-push buddies o/ 10:03:49 wheals: But what about being able to give equipment to yred ghouls!!! 10:03:51 nice 10:04:06 ghouls can't use equipment 10:04:08 Lightli: that's already gone 10:04:09 so 10:04:12 as of a few weeks ago 10:04:12 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04:15 <|amethyst> wheals: hey, this means clua console can be on ctrl-t now :) 10:04:17 really? 10:04:22 really 10:04:23 <|amethyst> wheals: okay, that might confuse people a bit 10:04:25 %git :/ghoul 10:04:26 07MarvinPA02 * 0.15-a0-717-ga3c592f: Make potions of blood cure rotting for ghouls 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3c592f31c63 10:04:26 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:28 rip 10:04:30 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 129-166 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 3004(rot), 30 | 07undead, 10doors, 04eats corpses, evil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 1547 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 10:04:30 %??ghoul 10:04:35 see, no items 10:04:38 yup 10:04:41 rip yred 10:04:43 %git c12d19114 10:04:43 07Sage02 * 0.15-a0-435-gc12d191: Make ghouls unable to equip weapons or armour. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c12d191144bd 10:04:52 there's still one thing left on the branch, beogh improving orcs' items 10:05:01 beoghifying them 10:05:10 which is why i added three different props (so beogh can not modify the items you give) 10:05:14 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:05:32 but i want to work on fruit first 10:05:39 fruit distribution? 10:06:08 adding q: to most fruit vaults, increasing nutrition and lowering stack size 10:06:10 FR: Fluttermancer. Starts with no skills or items and w/ Summon Butterflies memorized. 10:06:34 oh oops there was a change i was planning to make 10:06:42 PleasingFungus: go right ahead; yours looks fine and we can always change it later 10:06:50 aight 10:06:56 now to figure out how to add the icons... 10:07:12 PleasingFungus: that's right, fruit distribution. He has literally volumes of fruit-related research conducted and published in peer-reviewed fruit journals 10:07:20 no that's bcadren 10:07:37 plot twist: wheals is bcadren 10:07:45 he wrote papers about fruit distribution in crawl, you know. 10:07:47 !lg . farmer 10:07:48 No games for wheals (farmer). 10:08:29 !lg . farmer 10:08:32 No games for Grunt (farmer). 10:08:39 !hs Grunt fedhas 10:08:40 26. SGrunt the Force of Nature (L27 HESk of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-04-17 16:55:28, with 1305845 points after 131162 turns and 7:17:53. 10:08:47 wheals: so beogh has an invocable ability to grant followers equipment, but what will happen upon upgrade? 10:09:09 upgrade of orc, you mean? all orcs have the same item restrictions 10:09:12 or maybe more generally, how do you envision players using this ability in terms of where the orc is class-wise 10:09:34 yeah upgrade of the orc's class, I mean 10:09:38 well, it requires it to be named already which means knight/sorc/high priest already i think 10:09:47 warriors can be named 10:09:48 ah 10:09:50 PleasingFungus: probably the easiest way would be to find one of my commits 10:09:53 so you've already put a little investment into it 10:10:03 also wizards/priests, I think? 10:10:13 hrm 10:10:17 i guess it's a bit awkward that your older orcs will be worse-equipped 10:10:33 Almonds are a fruit now? 10:10:48 though beogh would have improved their other items, so in those respects they'd be better 10:11:04 Lasty: all nuts are fruit 10:11:26 botanyfacts 10:11:33 what a nut. 10:11:37 * Lasty just got botanied. 10:11:44 <|amethyst> almonds aren't nuts, they're seeds of a fruit 10:11:48 o 10:11:50 <|amethyst> they don't usually sell the fruit 10:12:07 * PleasingFungus just got botanied 10:12:10 <|amethyst> err 10:12:12 <|amethyst> actually 10:12:15 <|amethyst> I guess they do 10:12:19 <|amethyst> the shell is the fruit 10:12:24 if you want to see something really awesome, look up cashew fruit 10:12:29 well, they're both the fruit 10:12:48 <|amethyst> FR: add beans 10:12:51 dang those are colorful 10:13:07 Whoa 10:13:10 TIL 10:13:13 hrm, can you even check your orc names? 10:13:21 ? 10:13:23 I can't see if any are named 10:13:30 if they're named they have a name... 10:13:38 well, where is it displayed 10:13:41 is what I'm asking 10:13:42 when you examine them 10:13:49 anywhere they get listed 10:13:50 where it would say "an orc knight" 10:13:51 or hit ctrl-x 10:13:53 etc 10:13:53 hrm 10:13:54 ctrl-x for instance 10:14:04 so it's random when they get names? I don't know how that works 10:14:09 I have a bunch of warlords 10:14:11 but no named ones 10:14:20 they get names when beogh blesses them on kills 10:14:24 oh 10:14:25 geeze 10:14:26 did you use &G 10:14:43 no; I made them and then "killed" them and they converted 10:14:52 ah 10:15:17 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:15:34 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 10:16:02 kind of odd that they only get a name when they make a kill; why not upon conversion? 10:16:32 -!- Adeon has quit [Quit: bye] 10:16:41 -!- Noeda is now known as Adeon 10:16:45 <|amethyst> because if everyone has a name it's less special 10:16:59 <|amethyst> it's not on every kill 10:17:34 03wheals02 07[mon-pickup] * 0.15-a0-1117-gb883f3e: Stop up an information leak. 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b883f3e774ad 10:17:54 I don't see how it's special that they don't have a name; the names are specieal because they're unique. It's a seperate issue anyhow 10:18:24 <|amethyst> I mean, it's special for someone to get a name. It makes you care about that orc in particular 10:18:37 <|amethyst> even if it's only a psychological effect 10:18:49 that is some interesting role-playing 10:20:55 the names coincide with the orcs you care about anyway because those are the ones levelling up 10:21:25 as opposed to just having dozens of fodder orcs that you don't care about with names 10:22:03 I guess in practice you can control which level up fairly well 10:22:09 I should win a beogh game I guess 10:22:41 wheals: the invocable ability sounds cool, so long as it plays well with the equipment upgrade that happens on class upgrade 10:23:27 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 10:23:56 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:31 either way i mostly don't care about flavour/roleplaying stuff much but my one beogh win still got me to do: 10:24:33 %git 3cbde79cb4f6f8 10:24:33 07MarvinPA02 * 0.9.0-a0-73-g3cbde79: Add notes when Beogh names an ally, and when named allies die 10(3 years, 2 months ago, 4 files, 22+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cbde79cb4f6 10:24:40 so it works :P 10:24:59 rip more-beogh 10:26:05 i'd been meaning to try beogh again with new recall but i guess i should wait for the equipment changes too now! 10:26:25 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:27:02 items you haven't seen would include items in a pile in LOS that are under the top item in the pile, I assume 10:27:11 yup 10:27:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:27:18 unless you've stood on the pile 10:27:45 yeah, I'll maybe try a beogh game soon....ug and then nemelex again 10:27:53 oh yeah nemelex too 10:27:59 people should stop improving things 10:28:05 there's too much stuff to play 10:28:06 hm. trying to test webtiles, I get a "Can't bind the webtiles socket!" error. 10:28:43 PleasingFungus: locally? 10:28:54 as in your local webtiles server? 10:29:02 yes 10:29:10 is something already listening on 8080 10:29:18 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:22 how would I check? 10:29:29 telnet localhost 8080 is one way 10:30:06 but searching for commands listening on local ports depends on your system 10:30:06 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:30:08 <|amethyst> no 10:30:11 <|amethyst> that's something different 10:30:32 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:39 <|amethyst> the message comes from crawl, and is talking about the Unix-domain socket it uses for communicating with the webserver 10:30:40 -!- rast- is now known as rast 10:30:51 ah ok 10:31:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: running it with the default config? 10:31:39 -!- MDvedh has quit [Client Quit] 10:31:46 yes 10:32:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: do you have an rcs dir under the current directory? 10:32:17 <|amethyst> 'rcs' would be the name I mean 10:32:22 ls: rcs: No such file or directory 10:32:28 <|amethyst> mkdir -p rcs/ttyrecs 10:32:40 <|amethyst> and mkdir -p rcs/running 10:33:05 <|amethyst> you might need to restart the server 10:33:16 oh. probably I need to start the server first 10:33:18 how do I start the server 10:33:39 <|amethyst> ./webserver/server.py but you do need a few libraries 10:34:16 <|amethyst> should look at webserver/README probably 10:34:48 hm. installed tornado, the server started, but I still can't connect to it 10:35:18 is the server printing status messages in your terminal? 10:35:44 oh wait here we go 10:35:55 !send PleasingFungus twisters 10:35:55 Sending twisters to PleasingFungus. 10:35:56 thanks! 10:35:58 np 10:36:00 <|amethyst> np 10:36:02 no thanks to wheals....... 10:37:05 well it seems most people are here; any comments or concernts with the noitemdest branch? 10:37:29 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:06 I think the manual needs updating, but that's obviously not hard 10:38:27 I have overall philosophical concerns with the removal of item destruction, but that's not something I'm going to type out here & now (not least because I need to leave in 5 minutes) 10:38:45 maybe I'll toss it on crd or something 10:38:54 PleasingFungus: yeah, and do write those up, but keep in mind that this is just the 0.15 plan 10:39:03 revisiting item denial is definitely a plan 10:39:10 sure 10:39:11 and it may involve some actual item destruction 10:39:20 but not for strategic ones at least 10:42:08 I absolutely agree not destroying strategic items 10:42:37 not carrying around scrolls of ?ew or potions of !cmut or whatever because they might get destroyed it... not something crawl needs 10:42:41 *is 10:42:46 not that my opinion should have any weight, but i think spawn rates for consumables should be cut... even if item dest continues to exist 10:42:49 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1111-ga909be4: Add a placeholder status icon for Death's Door 10(3 minutes ago, 7 files, 15+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a909be48937a 10:43:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.15-a0-1112-g2ea1588: Checkwhite & unbrance cleanup 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ea1588501d9 10:43:11 ugh, 'unbrance' 10:43:15 rip 10:43:19 unbromance 10:43:24 it's just not working bro 10:43:30 no! we can still make it work! 10:44:01 ontoclasm: yeah, consumable gen. rates are certainly going to get some kind of tweaking 10:44:10 death's door status icon should be a beach, for the sand 10:44:21 ? 10:44:25 chad and rob gaze at each other tearfully across the beer pong table... one last time 10:44:34 mprf(MSGCH_SOUND, "You seem to hear sand running through an hourglass..."); 10:44:48 ontoclasm: plz don't plagarize my autobiography 10:44:53 tia 10:45:12 wheals: I considered an hourglass, but that icon is kind of taken... 10:45:19 by what? 10:45:25 slow 10:45:28 oh, huh 10:45:31 makes sense 10:45:35 <|amethyst> clearly make slow a wristwatch 10:45:59 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:46:14 how recent can technology be in order for references to it to be allowable? I forget 10:46:22 pirates are right out 10:46:27 dpeg has spoken 10:46:35 300 years is the usual quote 10:46:41 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:46:53 !send gammafunk the captain's cutlass 10:46:54 Sending the captain's cutlass to gammafunk. 10:47:10