00:00:10 was that actually a thing 00:00:16 yes, it was 00:00:19 wow 00:00:25 thats something i never knew 00:00:26 it's very thematic 00:00:55 Reminds me of merfolk being immune to mesmerize. 00:01:06 it used to ignite potions/ammo in your inventory too 00:01:15 Kaboom! 00:01:15 last time i looked there was a whole ton of that unused ignite poison code to burn all your potions and stuff still lying around, yeah 00:01:34 "in case it ever became a monster spell" which i guess it actually is now or something 00:01:52 and yet, for some reason, no one seems to want to add that functionality back 00:01:53 except item destruction is heading for the gallows pole 00:02:33 So there's no point adding in something that's heading for removal. 00:04:04 I don't see anything about brands (though I might be missing it), but it *does* seem to ignite poisoned ammo 00:04:18 as the learndb notes 00:04:19 which seems like it could be really strong, in a stupid way 00:04:34 Flaming, poisoning arrows. 00:04:40 Sounds familiar, doesn't it. 00:04:45 nessos is cool 00:05:00 nessos was a venom mage all along 00:06:20 !hs * cevm 00:06:21 244. Yunor the Slayer (L27 CeVM of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2011-07-21 02:35:08, with 11372349 points after 143812 turns and 13:28:56. 00:06:39 VM of TSO 00:06:45 just to show how it was played. 00:07:02 He saw the light. 00:08:06 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1009-ge63b874 (34) 00:08:43 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08:56 -!- Davens has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:09:15 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:09:33 I would like to remove sapavore from foul stench Ds. I think a good first mutation would be the ROT_IMMUNITY I just refactored out of VS and Gr. I also think I would need to buff foul stench to compensate, since foul stench 1 already gives ROT_IMMUNITY. Any comments? 00:10:38 I'm a little confused. So you want to remove saprovore from foul stench DS and replace it with rot immunity, except they already have rot immunity? 00:10:40 what? 00:10:40 making the higher levels show up a bit sooner could help, or making the enemies not avoid the rot 00:11:18 so instead of saprovore/misasma+rrot/more miasma you get rrot/miasma/more miasma 00:11:32 PleasingFungus: They already get Rot immunity on level 1 foul stench (which is level 2 of the tier) 00:11:45 I want to move that rot immunity to level 1 instead of sapavore. 00:11:59 but I obviously should buff foul stenh to compensate a bit. 00:12:04 ah. well, the whole motivation for saprovore removal is that "it's not very relevant or interesting", so just moving rot immunity earlier seems like it's enough of a buff in itself. 00:12:09 since, you know, you get an immunity earlier. 00:12:26 well rot immunity in itself isn't really anything 00:12:36 death drakes are a very common enemy 00:12:40 wait no that's not true 00:12:54 a crazy thought would be slapping regen in there 00:12:56 fr more death drakes, and death ducks 00:13:03 wait no, fr not that 00:13:08 PleasingFungus: Hmm. 00:13:14 death ducks sound good 00:13:20 (I actually like rot, but I understand why other people don't like it) 00:15:19 Yes, I'm going to remove sapavore from foul stench and replace it with rot immunity. 00:15:27 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:37 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:17:37 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:40 oh. mumra's version wasn't "boulder beetle form". 00:17:44 now there is no tm guide, and hence no way to win tm 00:17:45 it was, literally, 'boulder form'. 00:17:50 gammafunk: whatever do you mean? 00:17:53 ??tm guide 00:17:53 spider form[1/1]: No weapons or armour, but you get (UC + 5) base damage (untransformed is UC + 3), swiftness, a venomous bite, and a huge EV bonus (better than sprigganness!). You hit somewhat harder too, but the real draw is you don't get hit back. You also gain five dexterity, which is nice. Spider form has 2 AC. Isn't fast in 0.15. 00:17:58 looks good to me :) 00:18:12 siwftness? 00:18:16 looks not good to me 00:18:17 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:18:31 -!- rast- is now known as rast 00:18:33 ? 00:18:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1009-ge63b874 (34) 00:18:45 ", swiftness," 00:18:48 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:50 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:54 look at the end! 00:19:07 it should just not mention it 00:19:35 !learn edit tm_guide s/swiftness/swiftness (but not in 0.15) 00:19:36 No change: regex `swiftness` does not match `see {spider form}` 00:19:37 not that we have consistency in learndb, but I think most entries document trunk 00:19:45 oh_no 00:19:50 yeah that's good actually 00:20:08 !learn edit spider_form s/swiftness/swiftness (but not in 0.15) 00:20:08 spider form[1/1]: No weapons or armour, but you get (UC + 5) base damage (untransformed is UC + 3), swiftness (but not in 0.15), a venomous bite, and a huge EV bonus (better than sprigganness!). You hit somewhat harder too, but the real draw is you don't get hit back. You also gain five dexterity, which is nice. Spider form has 2 AC. Isn't fast in 0.15. 00:20:09 !learn edit spider_form[1] s/, swiftness/, swiftness (but not in 0.15)/ 00:20:09 ERROR: New text exceeds the maximum length of 350 00:20:11 haha 00:20:18 learndb standard is stable, though some seek to change it 00:20:20 most entries document both, there's just not much consistency on whether trunk or stable is displayed first when it's spread over multiple entries 00:20:26 !learn e spider_form s/Isn't.*// 00:20:28 spider form[1/1]: No weapons or armour, but you get (UC + 5) base damage (untransformed is UC + 3), swiftness (but not in 0.15), a venomous bite, and a huge EV bonus (better than sprigganness!). You hit somewhat harder too, but the real draw is you don't get hit back. You also gain five dexterity, which is nice. Spider form has 2 AC. 00:20:44 the only rule is...there are norules 00:21:13 I got shouted at once for updating learndb to reflect trunk over stable. I still bear those scars... 00:21:16 ...they may never heal :( 00:22:31 Yes, I was told once not to change learndb to Trunk. 00:22:32 solution: learndb puts nostalgia first, a proper Australian standard 00:22:53 To be fair I think i was completely removing the stable stuff. 00:25:06 I'm not sure how I'd play an Hu-like tm now. I guess I would try just using ice form before blade, see how it went 00:25:27 -!- neunon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:04 I think the real boost here is not ice form but sticks to snakes 00:26:22 (not that you shouldn't use ice form, it's great and getting 4ish ice is cheap) 00:26:28 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:30 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:46 good old STS 00:26:49 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:26:54 Hmm, I wonder if tags should be a .props instead of a enum. 00:27:32 That would let us have nonlinear tag systems. Which would help, for example, with the weightless enum thing I mentioned earlier. 00:28:43 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:33:02 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:13 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43:36 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:53 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:33 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:37 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:52:11 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140522030204]] 00:54:14 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54:34 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:56:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:56:41 -!- ActinalWhomp has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:56 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:43 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:38 -!- home has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:19 Qaz granted me relec when I already had it 01:05:27 I guess that's a bug 01:07:19 gammafunk: Hmm. 01:07:25 I suppose it is. 01:08:07 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:02 grr, depths vault placing phantoms 01:09:19 gammafunk: You can remove that! 01:09:24 I will! 01:14:13 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 01:14:44 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:16:49 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:17 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:17:17 Hmm, how would I ensure that Ds players scheduled to gain MUT_SAPROVORE get MUT_ROT_IMMUNITY instead? 01:18:55 Hmm, 38383bb6efb80 just changes it in mutation.cc. Must be automatically handles somehow. 01:23:12 -!- kcfos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:25 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:54 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:27:13 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:38 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:32:30 can someone explain to me how SICK works? seems like it's not like other durations where I can just set DUR_SICKENING. I seem to have to set you.disease as well 01:33:36 I'm currently doing something like: you.disease = dur; you.increase_duration(DUR_SICKENING, dur); 01:33:40 seems a bit redundant 01:35:36 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:35:49 johnstein: Crawl code is covered in special cases.... let me take a look. 01:36:15 the best code is the one with a load of Case:x's 01:36:17 (For example, swiftness and antiswfitness use the same duration) 01:36:39 thanks reaverb. I poked through it a few days ago but it didn't make any obvious sense to me. I just figured out how to make it work 01:36:40 Bloax: I'm fond of all the places with constant shotgun sugery. 01:36:51 I just didn't really know if I was doing it the "right" way 01:36:51 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:03 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:30 This disease code is a little odd. 01:40:56 Apparenly you regen from sick faster based on your regen rate. 01:41:05 Also Kobold get and random bonus. 01:41:20 johnstein: To get to the point: Use you.sicken() to apply the sick status. 01:41:41 It checks for Divine abilities, Hints, etc. 01:42:01 oh. nice. thanks reaverb. I'll look at that 01:49:11 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:02 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:59:20 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:17 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:46 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:11 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1010-g817b8bc: Give Foul Stench DS Rot Immunity instead of Saprovore. 10(14 minutes ago, 5 files, 16+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=817b8bcefcbe 02:08:41 Oh yes, and I'm going to remove that random bonus to Kobolds recovering from sickness too. 02:09:33 Hmm, somebody actually bothered to put it on the mutation screen. I still doubt it's worth it. 02:10:02 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:48 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:14 -!- Euph0ria has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:15:17 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:37 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:16 Experimental (new_nemelex) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-766-ga121156 02:19:20 -!- palacebeast has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:20:01 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:21:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:21:59 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:26 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-1011-g3e42115: Remove Ko recovering from illness faster 10(13 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e42115de034 02:25:49 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1010-g817b8bc (34) 02:26:00 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:26:23 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:36 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:17 -!- FVG has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:38:48 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:46:53 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:09 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55:11 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:41 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:03:11 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05:08 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:25 -!- EuphCrawl is now known as Euph0ria 03:15:00 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:31 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24:55 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:47 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:26:44 -!- MDvedh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:32:20 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 03:33:54 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:35 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:40:48 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41:09 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:12 -!- somebody has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:41:50 -!- NotKintak has quit [Client Quit] 03:41:58 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:45:25 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:45:52 -!- Roarke_ is now known as Roarke 03:48:03 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:05 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:50:29 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:51:47 -!- Kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:57 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55:36 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:59:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:02:20 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:49 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:08:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:10:55 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:19 -!- Kintak has quit [Quit: Kintak] 04:12:56 -!- RZX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15:32 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:51 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:41 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:41 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:21:56 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:41 Say, since the effects of stats on damage was doubled - would anyone object to a doubling of the effect of dex on stealth? 04:24:29 Bloax: Yes. Those two things are almost completely unrelated. 04:24:35 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:54 reaverb: depends on which angle you look at it 04:25:06 since the effect on damage was raised due to how miniscule it was 04:26:09 and 17 dexterity being a single stealth enhancer (or 1.1 levels of stealth) is likewise miniscule 04:32:10 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:33:38 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34:44 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:40:50 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:59 -!- alefury has quit [*.net *.split] 04:46:42 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:49:33 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:07 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:09 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:57:00 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:32 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:01:52 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:06:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:07:44 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 05:08:25 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:23:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:36 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:35 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:26:07 -!- Orfax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:27:17 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:34:18 what was the reasoning behind the most recent Vp changes? 05:34:26 I am curious 05:39:58 zxc232: 1) Vampires are overcomplicated, so any simplification is good 2) mutations and potions a fun, and removing them is bad. 05:40:31 Mostly reason #1 though. 05:40:43 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:40:56 (mutations in particularly had some really complex interactions for no sane reason due to vampries) 05:41:08 I see, thanks for that 05:41:29 I do like potions, but I also liked how I could play Vp and not worry about muts 05:41:53 zxc232: Play Halflings : ) 05:42:03 or mummies or ghouls. 05:42:17 my most recent game was a Gh 05:42:23 that was fun, first time 05:42:38 no thanks @ mummies, hah! 05:42:51 I don't want to end my streak just yet 05:44:08 reaverb: with the various changes, I've noticed that Ko and Ha are becoming quite similar. Are there plans to differentiate the two better, or are there ideas of giving one the chop? 05:45:50 zxc232: A) Not much has actually changed. B) There's been vague ideas of removing one of those two for years. 05:46:08 perhaps I've only just noticed the similarity now 05:46:21 never played Ha, and only Ko once or twice 05:50:18 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:18 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 05:54:31 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:56:37 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03:03 -!- Stendarr|2 is now known as Stendarr 06:03:40 -!- Kramin42 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:13 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:05:55 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:08:52 -!- Kagrenak has quit [Client Quit] 06:16:03 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16:07 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:09 -!- rast- is now known as rast 06:16:37 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26:37 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:27:27 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:33:45 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:01 !apt Ko 06:39:01 Ko: Fighting: 1, Short: 3!, Long: -2, Axes: -1, Maces: 0, Polearms: -2, Staves: -1, Slings: 2, Bows: -1, Xbows: 2!, Throw: 3!, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 4, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: -1, Hexes: 0, Charms: -2, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: -1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 3, Exp: 1!, HP: -2, MP: 0 06:39:03 !apt Ha 06:39:03 Ha: Fighting: -1, Short: 3!, Long: 0, Axes: -1, Maces: -2, Polearms: -3*, Staves: -2, Slings: 4!, Bows: 2, Xbows: -1, Throw: 3!, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 4, Shields: 1, UC: -2*, Splcast: -3, Conj: -2, Hexes: -1, Charms: 1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: 1, Tmut: -4*, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 1, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 1, Evo: 2, Exp: 1!, HP: -1, MP: 0 06:43:10 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:35 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:49:11 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:54:20 What's that?! 06:54:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54:25 Your Vine Stalker is evolving! 06:54:28 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/vinedragon.png 06:54:34 Your Vine Stalker turned into a Vine Dragon!! 06:54:51 (pls to fr) 06:59:21 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:38 aspa (L16 OpWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster plant failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 07:05:33 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:08:46 aspa (L16 OpWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster plant failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 07:10:32 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:25 bloax: that sprite is REALLY busy 07:13:28 I can't figure out what's going on in it 07:17:17 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:21 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:05 pretty great vine dragon 07:35:10 must do heug dmg 07:36:11 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:36 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:05 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:45:21 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:20 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:46 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:47 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:55:18 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:21 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:25 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:02:14 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:37 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:24 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:57 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:20 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:30 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:26 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:28:59 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:11 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:33:32 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 08:34:04 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:39:31 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:42:47 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:49 -!- Kramin42 is now known as Kramin 08:45:53 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:50:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:23 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:20 wheals: Hi there! Just replying to your mail: do you really mean that Sp should be omnivore, or did I misunderstand? 09:00:54 !function expose_player_to_element 09:00:55 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc;hb=HEAD#l608 09:02:42 i meant that it could be, if the amount of total food were reduced to become similar to what they have 09:02:48 i guess that would affect other races, though 09:02:52 wheals: okay! 09:02:55 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:34 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:42 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:10:49 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:24 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:14:43 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:14:57 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:15:31 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:18:35 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25:35 dpeg: got your crd email, i'll work on implementing the 20 -> 6 types of food now :) 09:25:48 -!- Nobuharu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27:07 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:34:33 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:34 20^6 + 1 kinds of food 09:37:09 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:54 wheals: cool, many thanks! 09:38:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:31 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45:56 can weapon_switch get deleted 09:46:00 hm 09:47:30 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:54 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:39 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:52:37 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:59:38 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:09 -!- casmith789 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:23 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:37 -!- drachereborn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:28 drachereborn: around? 10:10:34 hi dpeg 10:11:00 -!- lessens_ has quit [] 10:11:01 Thanks for Gozag feedback, was very valuable for me. 10:11:12 No problem! 10:11:24 (In case you read c-r-d: proposed a list of suggestions there.) 10:11:51 Bribe branch is really my favorite of Gozag's abilities, so I'd like to see it improved 10:11:58 yes, same for me 10:12:19 It should be the signature power of the god. And it can work well, I've done it. :) 10:12:27 I was going to comment on equipgod on the wiki, but might as well ask you directly 10:12:47 yes, thought you might have to say somethign about that one, too 10:12:53 hehe, yeah I agree it's when it works 10:12:57 it's nice 10:13:26 (was really useful to have the feedback about Bribe fluking in Shoals... was not aware of that) 10:13:42 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:22 So if I understand correctly, you think brand upgrades have too many combinations to coomunicate to the player? for equipgod I mean 10:14:26 On equipgod: yesterday, after spending several hours shuffling around brands, I realised that a deterministic brand upgrade (e.g. speed -> confusion, flaming -> sticky flame etc.) is unrealistic... there are just too many of them. 10:14:30 -!- ActinalWhomp has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:33 ^ Yes, unfortunately. 10:14:44 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:52 hmm, I have an idea on how to address this 10:14:56 There are few enough weapon types to do that (I tried to come up with something sensible).... 10:14:59 oh, tell me 10:15:04 -!- tbuck has quit [Client Quit] 10:15:10 and also the related weapon upgrades (e.g. whip-> domination) 10:15:32 I was thinking equipgod gives you tokens 10:15:39 whip -> domination is something of a gimmmick 10:15:46 ok 10:15:46 and these tokens let you redeem upgrades 10:16:12 so if you have say a flaming falchion, choosing upgrade on the menu gives you some choices 10:16:12 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:33 you choose every time, or just once and for all? 10:16:47 could be related stuff, like flaming -> sticky flame, or long blade -> humiliation 10:17:00 every time per weapon I'm thinking? 10:17:18 that might be too busy for a tactical power 10:17:29 the idea is that once you've spent upgrade tokens ona specific weapon, you're less likely to replace it 10:17:39 same deal with enchant scrolls 10:17:56 imo make it work exactly like diablo 2 10:18:03 no reason not to steal game mechanics that work 10:18:14 no, I'm not thinking of it as a tactical power 10:18:21 Eronarn: stealing is fine, but you have to tell me how it works 10:18:32 I'll have to look at diablo 2, but yeah I've seen similar systems in other games 10:18:35 drachereborn: ah, more like the branding scroll? 10:18:46 dpeg: different weapons have different amounts of slots, and you get different qualities of gems/runes to put in them 10:19:01 ah, now I recall the friends talked about that 10:19:03 Eronarn: that sounds like what I'm thinking 10:19:04 crappier weapons have fewer slots, so there is an incentive to pick up and start slotting on a bigger weapon 10:19:12 so you don't get stuck with a falchion because you blew your early gems on it 10:19:22 and likewise, the gems get better too, to again discourage that practice of upgrading forever 10:19:30 it keeps your equipment feeling fresh while also letting you customize 10:20:08 But nothing gets around the fact that we need some list of brands (or similar weapon effects), right? 10:20:11 dpeg: to me brand upgrade was more of a strategic thing, i.e. making a common brand more viable 10:20:28 drachereborn: I agree! 10:20:35 dpeg: well, if it was mostly random, then that won't happen 10:20:42 I wanted to give good stuff especially to weaker brands. 10:20:57 maybe just bar the obvious bad ones, like freeze gets sticky flame 10:21:50 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:59 I certainly wouldn't mind a equipgod weapon minigame. If you add a few pointers to the wiki, I'll be grateful. (Not quite clear to me yet how it'd work.) 10:22:18 ok, I'll write something up 10:22:20 pubby explicitly advised against long lists, and he has a good point 10:22:26 drachereborn: great, many thanks! 10:22:27 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:22:40 Agree that long list of stuff to memorize isn't ideal 10:22:54 but I thought brand upgrades work because it was fairly intuitive 10:23:07 the weapon upgrade is a bit harder to connect IMO 10:23:32 but I still think there's lots of potential... I just ran out of steam when I tried to come up with good brand concepts, i.e. a brand upgrade for (almost) every existing brand that's good enough to work passively. (Much easier with active brands, but I wanted those on weapon type upgrades.) 10:23:53 drachereborn: perhaps, but there the list is shorter. Same for armour upgrades. 10:24:03 dpeg: what's wrong with having it work with randart-style properties? and maybe adding some more if we feel that list isn't good enough? 10:24:12 Yes. But what if it's not one-to-one 10:24:22 er, what eronarn said :) 10:24:29 drachereborn: I thought that might work, but it was late and I called it a day :) 10:24:50 imo it's good to prototype a god with stuff that already exists in crawl 10:25:01 I was thinking it would look a bit like the artefactize menu, but with less options and less costs 10:25:03 Eronarn: perhaps! But I also want to keep the final forging power -- there's already code and it's so flavourful (and we can make it really strong) 10:25:08 like fedhas getting water/existing plant summons/corona, or ash getting almost all div stuff 10:25:20 Eronarn: yes, that is true 10:25:47 Eronarn: with reaver's help I've already coded up 2 brand upgrade effects into unrands 10:26:29 so maybe I'll be sending in a whole host of new unrands based on equipgod's effects before it's all done :) 10:27:10 In fact, I tried to do that. The new proposal (cannot link, under windows/putty, sorry about that), I propose five powers: (1) disarm enemy, active; (2) upgrade weapon type, active; (3) upgrade body armour (light/medium/heavy distinction), passive; (4) upgrade weapon brand, passive; (5) forging (=fancy artefactise), altar. 10:27:46 dpeg: how is this going to deal with abandoning the god? 10:28:00 here's the link: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:equipment 10:28:12 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28:14 thx 10:28:18 could be interesting to have the weapons the god touches give you wrath for as long as you're fighting with them 10:28:30 then we can also place them in altar vaults 10:28:33 Eronarn: or just downgrade them etc. 10:29:20 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:24 also out of that list disarm and upgrade brand seem the least good fits 10:29:45 disarm feels like something oka would have, and i'd roll upgrade weapon brand into forging 10:31:01 Disarm has sort of always been around (since pubby's smithgod proposal). You dislike it because it's the only exterior power (not dealing with own equipment)? 10:31:01 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:31:01 -!- [1]AtomikKrab is now known as AtomikKrab 10:31:01 oh, what about: unbranded enemy weapons or armor worse than what you're using may shatter on hit 10:31:08 with dpeg's comment on brand upgrade, I was thinking less powerful mini-forge as an option, with the big forge as still the final power 10:31:12 similar effect but equipment focused and passive 10:31:13 My plan with upgrades of weapon type, weapon brand and body armour: make choices (which mean not too much in Crawl) more prominent under the god. 10:32:17 Eronarn: heh, the last equip god version had disarm as a passive power. pubby (in his parting email) explained the benefits of active disarm, and he has a point. 10:32:23 drachereborn: could have the final power be a one-time effect that plays off the lower tier reforging effect 10:32:26 Eronarn: I kind of like that 10:32:26 (I quote him on the wiki page.) 10:32:54 because it ties in with encouraging you to improve your equipment 10:33:01 Eronarn: forging is supposed to happen once per equipgod altar (i.e. altar = forge) 10:33:09 like, if the mechanic is sockets: permanently improve the item, add one socket, and allow you to remove any current gems 10:33:21 this is Diablo lingo? 10:33:45 socket = equipment slot, for your weapon 10:33:49 ok 10:34:02 Well I'm unfamiliar with Diablo, but I get what Eronarn is talking about :p 10:34:07 Kellhus (L27 GrWz) ERROR in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1218: invalid monster to place: removed MONS_SHEDU (408) (Pan) 10:34:33 I guess sockets would be generalizations of the +1 EW scrolls 10:34:43 socketed weapons were intensely popular due to their addictive nature 10:34:57 like enchantment, sockets improve your weapon, but not just in terms of slaying 10:35:41 I wouldn't want the god to provide EW/EA scrolls (or stronger versions of them), for I think managing what you get is cool. If we find there are not enough EA/EW scrolls to get it going, we can just rule that under equipgod, reading such a scrolls causes X times its effect (X could be 1.5 or 2 etc.) 10:35:48 you can have only so many sockets per weapon, and if you've spent them on one, you can't spend them on a better weapon later 10:35:57 yeah... there's a lot of design space there; even with diablo they had three different item classes that could go into sockets 10:35:58 ah, I see 10:36:21 I think I can see the addictive potential... it directly addresses the powergamer in every one of us :) 10:36:35 dpeg: well, the effects in diablo also tended to be synergistic 10:36:44 like boosting one of your skills, or making you deal radius damage on hit 10:36:52 it would be nice if we could use some existing items to fill the socket role (they're usually gems of some kind) 10:37:02 so "+damage" is not always what you want, you really do tailor socket choices to your build 10:37:20 drachereborn: there used to be an enum for ETC_GEMS :) 10:37:23 something more rare than EW scrolls but that you expect to find fairly regularly 10:37:58 if you made it feed on scrolls of acquirement, you could make the ability quite powerful 10:38:05 I think we can have equipgod grant them, since they'd be useless for anyone else 10:38:13 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:38:28 but dpeg's objections on that make sense too 10:38:51 acquirement seems too rare, unless we have like 2 sockets 10:40:21 Eronarn: yes, I can imagine. Need to find (a) sockets (a kind of item? Old one, or new one?), and (b) uses that befit Crawl. 10:40:56 drachereborn: rare, good consumables should always work 10:41:02 How about simply overloading EW to have double effect under this god? 10:41:20 you get slaying per usual, and you can get additional effects 10:41:27 maybe past +6 or whatever 10:41:37 silly idea: EW = armour socket, EA = weapon socket (does that make sense)? 10:41:44 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:42:21 dpeg: i'd make sockets a (fairly? completely?) immutable property of the weapon, probably tied to tier: like 1 for a falchion, 2 for a longsword, 3 for a greatsword 10:42:25 drachereborn: btw, before I forget: feel free to explain your 3 tier forging system on the wiki page (as you saw, I only made a passing remark --- flesh that out if you want to) 10:42:47 perhaps a limited ability to add an additional one, like when you use the forge ability 10:43:02 Eronarn: sorting weapons into tiers make for long lists, but otherwise I agree it would be nice 10:43:25 -!- asema has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:43:26 I'd rather flat amount of sockets, then possibly add more using god power 10:43:31 EA/EW could make sense for filling them though... like every time you add a + via an E scroll, you get to choose one additional benefit 10:43:48 dpeg: sure 10:44:43 -!- Fiveotanaka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:44:49 drachereborn: as far as doubling scroll effects, i'd rather see the god remove the failure chance on them 10:45:13 yes, I think dpeg already proposed that, as well as removing enchantment caps 10:45:23 that sounds like a bad idea :P 10:45:39 remove enchantment caps you mean? 10:45:49 do we really want pan scummers with +72 armor? 10:45:52 Eronarn: each piety * increase the enchantment cap by 1 10:45:59 so you get up to +6, nothing more :) 10:46:08 oh oops, forgot that part 10:46:10 (I know my Pan scummers, don't worry.) 10:46:35 But you could get stuff like +8 robe, and it makes sense since scrolls don't fail 10:46:36 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:58 wrt consuming items: we should consider normally non-consumables too 10:47:11 elemental evokers come to mind 10:47:18 btw, the piety gain method also encourages enchanting stuff early on, so that you don't just hoard the EA/EW scrolls for your final kit 10:47:27 Eronarn: this is true, yes 10:47:29 do you mean for the forging ingredients? 10:47:49 evokers would be nice yeah, and fairly common too 10:48:32 I'm not sure about tying things like ring of rF to get rF property in the final weapon though 10:48:35 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:13 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:27 -!- rast- is now known as rast 10:49:36 dpeg: about equipgod piety, I was just wondering what if the player killed a monster with a spell while holding a fine enchanted weapon 10:49:42 drachereborn: rings would actually be a pretty good 'gem' replacement, come to think of it... 10:49:43 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:49 the flavour message wouldn't make sense then :p 10:49:50 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:49:50 -!- [1]AtomikKrab is now known as AtomikKrab 10:50:13 you wouldn't want to use a ton of different items, which would be confusing 10:50:31 Eronarn: only if we could abstract them as rings without differentiating types, yes 10:50:42 drachereborn: yes, that seems to simpleminded. IT could be part of it, for flavour reason. E.g. when forging offers to make a +11 executioner's axe {elec; rF+ rPois rMut}, then the requirements could include a ring of rF. 10:51:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:36 spells (as in, the spells in spellbooks) could be another candidate 10:51:45 where a single class of items has a huge range of possibilities 10:51:54 dpeg: that doesn't seem very nice to me because having rF on your weapon becomes more attractive if you don't have rF 10:52:02 I am a bit worried that the god is too back-loaded (do you say so: opposite of front-loaded): the other melee-oriented gods give you immediate tactical powers, this one is all about incredible late-game power. 10:52:19 though I suppose you may want to combine slots to free up your ring slot etc 10:52:20 drachereborn: but you have plenty of these past the midgame 10:52:24 yes 10:52:32 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53:00 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:53:12 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:53:44 re backloaded. I guess that's true. It's all about making your final weapon awesome 10:54:14 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:54:34 maybe make stronger incentives for early use? But if you don't find enough EW scrolls, you're just SOL 10:54:46 * dpeg looks up SOL 10:55:00 oops :) s___ out of luck 10:55:45 dpeg: one issue we have to figure out for item dest removal is ds mutations 10:55:59 drachereborn: could be helped by having any E scroll you read boost the weapon in some other way, not improved by further reads 10:56:03 tier-2 and tier-3 mutation sets have conservation mutations 10:56:05 gammafunk: the ones that preserve scrolls & potions? 10:56:09 yeah 10:56:35 Eronarn: maybe we want the sockets to kick in early, instead of late 10:56:54 it's certainly not as simple as "give another level of resistance" 10:57:13 although I guess the related t-2 and t-3 ones don't occur together? 10:57:17 so reading EW on plain weapons grant them a socket with extra property, but once you hit 3 or 4, more EW only adds slaying 10:57:23 I should check, but it would make sense that they wouldn't 10:57:26 gammafunk: good call. Agree with that. Would you send a short mail to c-r-d, with the powers (and tiers) of the relevant DS mutations? 10:58:13 gammafunk: so I presume you're done with weightless? Is it ready to enter trunk? :) 10:58:23 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:58:23 "best change since monster summons" <3 10:58:25 yes, I wanted it to sit a couple days 10:58:34 well, he would say that, given it's his idea 10:58:47 I am not around for all of next week, so I expect good stuff when I'm back next Sunday! 10:58:48 I think the monster summons things is better than immobile corpses 10:59:03 hey, I championed weightless! :) 10:59:03 yeah, it will be merged by then I think 10:59:06 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:59:12 * dpeg feels neglected :P 10:59:22 yes, well you certainly get credit; I just meant for the immobile thing 10:59:36 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:58 ah, that was his idea... but what I was referring to is a passing minmay comment on weightless altogether... I like the rule for immobile corpses a lot 11:01:03 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:01:18 drachereborn, Eronarn: What the god currently does for you early on: Disarm (in some form). Can use EA/EW without losing scrolls (this is not relevant very early on). Can enchant beyond limit, depending on piety (dito). So not too much. What if each application of EA/EW had a chance to just provide a standard, weak brand if the target item is unbranded? 11:01:53 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:06 dpeg: sure, that's sort of what I mean by getting an extra socket 11:02:19 get a brand or active ability or some other property 11:02:43 I think I'm tending towards Eronarns's idea 11:02:43 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:58 Forging is now a gradual thing per EW scroll 11:03:53 And maybe the final forge power is to let you extract all your old forging materials to make a superweapon 11:04:48 too power gamy? :) 11:04:54 POWERGAMER 11:07:30 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:03 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:54 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:10:51 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:08 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:23 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:31 back 11:15:55 It's alright if one appeal of the god is to make that ultimate artefact weapon (since very often, randarts are not on par with self-made weapons) but there needs to be immediate appeal in the early game, too. 11:18:35 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:38 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:20:57 well, he would say that, given it's his idea 11:21:03 dpeg: do you like the idea of benefits of forging being spread out, for example earlier in the game? 11:21:06 that was referring to weightless in general, not the corpse change specifically 11:21:50 i'm a douche, yes, but not enough of one to say that about my own ideas :P 11:24:29 drachereborn: I think proper forging in the end (with artefacts & requirements) is alright. However, if EA/EW does something more than just +1, that'd immediately help early on. 11:25:22 minmay: you should also like monsters not picking up items (that's another rule change we perhaps get into 0.15). 11:26:13 ok, I'll think it over and see if I could propose something coherent for the wiki :) 11:26:28 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:28 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:26:28 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:41 got to go 11:26:54 -!- drachereborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:27:48 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:34 -!- DrCrypt_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:26 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:33:29 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:44 -!- Krakhan has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:35:46 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 11:35:47 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 11:37:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:36 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:43:24 -!- oberste1n has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:26 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:04 -!- tbuck has quit [*.net *.split] 11:44:04 -!- MaxFrost has quit [*.net *.split] 11:44:05 -!- hart has quit [*.net *.split] 11:44:05 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 11:44:05 -!- bencryption has quit [*.net *.split] 11:44:05 -!- oberstein has quit [*.net *.split] 11:44:06 -!- oberste1n is now known as oberstein 11:44:44 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:48:11 -!- Gobbo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:48:17 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:01 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:36 -!- Archison has quit [Client Quit] 11:57:47 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:59 -!- DrCrypt_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:45 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:14 Kellhus (L27 GrWz) ERROR in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1218: invalid monster to place: removed MONS_PHOENIX (405) (Pan) 12:03:40 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:01 I prefer to think that my original statement is the correct 12:04:34 -!- notcluei is now known as notcluie 12:04:56 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:05:30 gammafunk: which statement? 12:07:24 the one certain parties were contesting :) 12:08:13 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:48 -!- category has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:04 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:47 so coy 12:11:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:22 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:56 PleasingFungus: how goes the BOULDER 12:13:19 gonna have another go at rebasing later today. currently working on hauntifying tukima's dance 12:14:05 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:15:17 is this some ploy to bring back terpsichore? 12:15:25 ...that'd be cool, actually 12:15:34 no, it's a ploy to make tukima's dance cool & fun to use 12:15:47 !bug 8468 12:15:48 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 12:15:48 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-1011-g3e42115 (34) 12:16:12 based on this, but changed to be haunt-like, so it only attacks the target of the hex, and de-animates once the target dies 12:16:40 -!- usebees has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:16:40 PleasingFungus: sounds good! 12:17:27 I keep mentally alternating between thinking it's a nerf & thinking it's too strong. idk. will have to see how it plays 12:17:51 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:36 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:20:30 PleasingFungus: what are you shooting for, about the same strength? 12:20:49 but a bit more ... focused, obviously 12:20:54 yes, exactly. hexier 12:21:57 ??tukima's_dance 12:21:58 tukima's dance[1/2]: Level 5 hex that turns your wielded melee weapon into a pet temporarily. It will be hostile if cursed (and will remain cursed). The weapon can be recovered after the spell ends. For stats: [%??dancing weapon ; club] (substitute club with the chosen weapon type). Does not bypass distortion unwield effects. 12:22:25 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [] 12:25:17 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:36 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:27:29 brb 12:27:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140522030204]] 12:27:56 -!- nooodl__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:24 well, i have the code part of this done but i need Grunt or tenofswords or someone else who actually understands how food vault stuff works 12:29:55 "Also, I cast repel missiles awhile ago and now I seem to have RMsl permanently. Is this some trunk bug?" 12:30:27 solution: remove rmsl spell 12:30:43 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:30:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:33:05 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:34:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:34:53 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:36 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:30 wheals: Wouldn't that be a nerf to air magic? 12:39:37 -!- casmith789 has quit [Client Quit] 12:40:42 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:05 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:16 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:43:01 you rarely need to get air magic to cast rmsl 12:43:18 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:10 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:54 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 12:55:27 -!- ebarrett has left ##crawl-dev 12:55:30 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:53 I kind of think removing rmsl might be a good idea. it's kind of dumb that there are two spells that are "thing" and "better thing" (rmsl/dmsl) - reminiscent of the old "stoneskin/better stoneskin" thing from a while back - and rmsl is low enough level, & generally useful enough, that basically every non-troggite gets it, or should. it's a cool effect to restrict to qaz/wind-amulet, but I... 12:55:55 ...don't think it needs to be a spell. 12:56:19 it is a nerf to the ae start, though. idk what the best solution to that would be. 12:57:47 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:48 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:01:05 -!- kcfos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:01:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:40 -!- home_ has quit [Changing host] 13:03:25 give AE airstrike obviously 13:04:01 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:07 that is... not an obviously terrible idea 13:04:08 tbh 13:05:06 this same thing has come up a whole bunch of times yes, just removing rmsl seems fine 13:05:35 there's a mantis issue with some proposed replacements for both rmsl and dmsl, possibly something from that would work to just replace them both with one mid-level spell 13:05:59 dmsl is kind of cool as a high-level spell. I'm not convinced it actually needs to change 13:06:29