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Resistible by MR." 00:04:09 ...this sounds like a better Force Lance, speaking of that <_< 00:04:14 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=174023#p174023 00:06:17 that guy is the proverbial monkey with a machinegun in one hand and a typewriter in the other 00:07:15 "It's my understanding that developers are more likely to look at teh wiki than review Tavern due to the signal-to-noise ratio." do people actually read the wiki? 00:07:25 the devwiki, I mean 00:08:09 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-897-g19692ce (34) 00:09:45 -!- kryft has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:11:59 i have the changes in my rss feed 00:12:24 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:05 huh 00:18:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-897-g19692ce (34) 00:18:34 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:17 the wiki is sometimes good for writing up large-scale stuff, and for things like the planning docs 00:19:24 -!- Eracar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:28 neither of which would be fun to do on tavern 00:20:34 the wiki also doesnt have tiktacy's signature calling me "duvessa-senpai" 00:20:48 which is nice 00:22:44 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:59 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:25:39 -!- Guest22114 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:02 -!- Guest22114 is now known as nicolae-- 00:27:07 -!- nicolae- has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:27:12 -!- nicolae-- is now known as nicolae- 00:28:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:47 is shooting an allied rPois+++ monster with a poisoned needle supposed to turn it hostile 00:34:49 because it does 00:35:24 -!- wheals is now known as notbcadren 00:36:01 -!- notbcadren is now known as wheals 00:36:13 huh. I'd honestly thought that notbcadren was notcluie 00:36:18 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:22 I was... decieved 00:36:24 it is 00:36:26 o 00:36:28 but now i can ghost him 00:36:31 hahaha 00:36:37 treachery! 00:39:29 Hell entry vaults by PleasingFungus 00:41:46 i like 'em but i do wonder why you submitted them patch style 00:42:01 ? 00:42:06 one-by-one, or on mantis, or? 00:42:17 no, formatted as a patch instead of just attaching a text file 00:42:21 o 00:42:22 habit 00:42:25 ah, figured 00:43:27 glad you like them! :) 00:43:52 dread_powers_of_hell is clearly the best one, imho 00:44:45 i like that one and tar_spiral, mostly because i like abstract shapes lately 00:46:34 I ripped off tar_spiral realll hard. it's a weird shape but it kinda works 00:46:45 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:20 weird shapes are cool, in my book 00:48:29 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:48:36 suspiciously plausible 00:48:54 I have more ideas for cool vaults but wanted to upload these to get feedback before racing ahead with more. 00:51:56 i do wonder if it's necessary at all to have popcorn in hell entry vaults, though 00:52:21 nicolae-: he gets commit credit that way :) 00:52:25 smart fungus 00:52:40 (smart *for* a fungus, I mean) 00:52:40 no, I'm pleasingfungus. smart fungus is probably yet another impostor 00:52:53 oh, *that*, pfft 00:53:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:53:09 nicolae-: nerd cred, real important on the street 00:53:13 it's a jungle out there 00:53:52 nicolae-: idk. most of the ones I uploaded don't have popcorn. dread_powers has imps, but that's just because it's funny, and tar_river has spectral fish/sharks, but that's a homage. 00:54:06 and probably it should have slightly fewer than it does 00:54:17 fair enough 00:54:31 if grunt doesn't get to them first, I'll review them when I'm not lazy 00:54:49 I mean, one of my main complaints initially was "there's too much popcorn in these vaults" 00:54:59 so I certainly sympathise 00:55:13 gammafunk: thanks! :) 00:55:25 I'm still learning what I'm doing 00:55:38 vaults are super fun to make 00:55:55 midway through making these vaults, I discovered that vaults don't have to be square (you can have spaces) 00:56:00 it's on my list of things to learn. maybe I should do that instead of slogging through the code 00:56:01 and ended up re-doing half the ones I made 00:56:03 (vault making) 00:56:29 it's fun! the syntax is ridiculous but making vaults is fun 00:56:43 it's generally not as technically demanding as writing code, but it's very time consuming to make good vaults 00:57:01 yea. that's the kicker. making 'good' ones. 00:57:03 the nice thing about vault making is that i can contribute without having to look at code, because i'm not very good at programming 00:57:17 good, bad, i'm the one with the text editor 00:57:26 yeah. I can't imagine how much time went into making e.g. pleasuredromes 00:57:57 I'm just barely good enough at programming to get myself into trouble. I'm amazed everyday to see that CBRO hasn't burned to the ground. though that's more sysadmin rather than pure coding 00:58:10 ??hangedman[theme 00:58:10 hangedman[6/15]: the vaultmaking process: take some obtuse theme barely recognizable, put it into weird shape, talk about it forever while slowly whittling it down from the idea, try to get feedback from people who can't really give much, submit in batches barely making it into each version 00:58:26 exactly. 00:58:37 powerful technique 00:59:17 ??evilmike[3 00:59:18 evilmike[3/4]: -- Just die already! 00:59:36 my technique is to make whatever crazy idea comes into my head and then either stop bothering halfway through because it's complicated and not worth the effort OR make it and then ruthlessly cull it a day later because of some minor flaw 00:59:56 I spent a bunch of time reading a lot of the larger vaults like profane halls, slaughterboxes, which is helpful 01:00:16 those are encompass, but they give you a good idea of the scope of things you can do in terms of gameplay 01:00:44 profane halls is real cool. 01:00:52 yeah, it's always good to look at a bunch of other vaults 01:01:06 yeah, as a hall of kill the player, it's very nice 01:01:15 and slaughterboxes might be my favorite encompass 01:01:53 also evilmike's crypt end is probably the best thematic encompass vault 01:02:58 # Q: How is there a dead forest in the Crypt? 01:03:00 # A: ~use your Imagination~ 01:03:02 mmm 01:03:09 evilmike_haunted_forest was the first crypt end I saw, in a time before time. it's real cool 01:03:29 we do have an ocean in the dungeon, so a dead forest in crypt isn't hard to swallow 01:03:45 It's the remains of Forest 01:05:31 PleasingFungus: mm I'll check these out in detail when I'm about to sleep 01:05:41 ...when you are or when you aren't? 01:05:55 when he is, so except interesting edits 01:06:10 being half-asleep allows you to perceive vaults in a new way 01:06:32 like a shaman or mystic entering a trance 01:06:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:06 *not about to 01:07:08 :( 01:07:09 rip 01:07:11 haha 01:07:14 clearly you need to sleep! 01:07:16 :) 01:07:30 grunt attains a higher state of consciousness when he needs to sleep, allowing him to perceive all SUBST and SHUFFLE results at once 01:07:52 They always all exist at once. 01:07:55 dang. 01:07:57 This is quantum Crawl. 01:07:58 <3 01:08:18 many-worlds crawl 01:08:23 !learn edit grunt[1] s/^/ dang / 01:08:23 grunt[1/11]: dang rip 01:08:30 good edit 01:09:37 * Grunt sleeps. 01:09:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:10:12 rip grunt 01:10:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140517030204]] 01:11:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:13:43 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:06 -!- SchwaWarrior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:22:52 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 01:23:18 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23:31 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:37 when I posted on tavern complaining about octagon layout, "add lava snakes and fire bats" wasn't really the solution I was hoping for... 01:32:57 -!- eb_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:33:01 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:34:03 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:45 looks like the chance of liquids wasn't changed 01:37:15 though, uh, i can't really be sure since i don't understand the code too much 01:37:40 wheals: the pillars were replaced by lava pools 01:38:08 Didn't see anything in the commit that would do that either, though 01:38:09 ok. I've gone over DBRO with a fine comb and it's pretty much an identical match to CBRO now. if the webtiles-changes stuff doesn't work now I'm allowed to blame edlothiol :) 01:38:10 i feel like i've seen that before, though 01:40:35 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:42:46 Basil: doesn't it add more pillar groups, so more chances for lava/water 01:43:03 Has a better chance of placing pillars I think 01:43:13 but weren't all pillars replaced by lava in your game? 01:43:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:44:15 Maybe lair turns green crystal into lava or something? 01:44:31 Oh 01:44:33 trees and lava 01:44:34 I have what looks like 3 groups of pillars, one is rock, one is trees, and one is lava 01:44:46 <|amethyst> local pillar_fill = { 01:44:46 <|amethyst> ["x"] = 15, 01:44:46 <|amethyst> ["b"] = 5, 01:44:46 <|amethyst> ["v"] = 4, 01:44:46 <|amethyst> ["m"] = 3, 01:44:46 strange 01:44:49 <|amethyst> ["w"] = 2, 01:44:51 <|amethyst> ["l"] = 1, 01:44:54 <|amethyst> } 01:44:56 <|amethyst> if (you.in_branch("lair")) then 01:44:59 <|amethyst> pillar_fill["t"] = 15 01:45:01 <|amethyst> end 01:45:17 <|amethyst> 1/30, 1/45 in Lair, of each ring of pillars being lava 01:45:20 I'm guessing 't' is des for lava 01:45:24 <|amethyst> 'l' 01:45:25 't' is des for tree 01:45:27 'l' is lava 01:45:30 oh 01:45:32 mm 01:46:48 since the other super open water layout was disabled, I don't think octagon should have lava/water fill either 01:47:08 minmay: box level? 01:47:29 Basil: layout_bigger_room 01:47:43 Basil: the one that's just a huge open square with water pools 01:47:45 mm 01:47:51 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:dungeon:layout_types#layout_bigger_room 01:47:53 Been a while since I've seen that, now that you mention it 01:48:28 admittedly a lava/water octagon is not nearly as bad as that layout but it still seems questionable for the same reasons 01:53:55 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:44 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 01:55:10 !tell edlothiol I'm looking at the config.json file and I don't see how it can differentiate the experimental branches. all of them call /bin/crawl-stable-launcher.sh. In config.py, the branch name was passed as pre_options. 01:55:11 johnstein: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 02:13:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:35 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:02 -!- zxc232 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:20 !tell edlothiol I think I got DBRO sorted out. I added Trunk and looks like I'm able to view and edit the rc files now (all experimentals are pointing to crawl-git). Trunk loads! but the others won't. See my previous message for my thoughts on that. 02:15:20 johnstein: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 02:17:16 Experimental (weightless) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-895-gd77aa5a 02:20:04 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:20 !tell edlothiol config.py, config.json, and webtiles.log are symlinked here: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/ 02:20:21 johnstein: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 02:20:27 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:02 also, anyone curious to see what the new webtiles looks like: http://dev.berotato.org:8081/ (in case you don't feel like compiling) 02:21:08 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:21 -!- rast- is now known as rast 02:24:21 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-897-g19692ce (34) 02:29:04 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:31:31 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:37:57 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:42:11 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:49:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50:47 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:51:41 !tell edlothiol sorry for all the messages. I got things working! Had to add "pre_options" to configexport.py. Here's the (trivial) patch. http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/0001-add-pre_options-to-configexport.py.patch 02:51:41 johnstein: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 02:53:41 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:55:49 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:57:19 -!- Nethris1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:57:29 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:01:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:04:31 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:05:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:17:28 -!- lanbox has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:18 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:48 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:45:06 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:28 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:28 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:54 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:14 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:33 -!- bonghitz 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pre_options in configexport.py (johnstein). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7861d582e5d8 06:16:02 johnstein: the pre_options lines just look that way because that's how the json encoder formatted them, it doesn't matter 06:17:03 johnstein: btw, you can of course edit (and reformat) the config.json directly now, the configexport.py was just for the transition 06:17:56 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:18:58 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 06:23:20 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:02 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:13 -!- rast- is now known as rast 06:32:01 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:42:06 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Client Quit] 06:45:05 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 06:48:06 -!- geedmat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:49:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:53:26 -!- iratepirate has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:58:27 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:04:22 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:58 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:20:40 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:57 <|amethyst> We have one non-exciting, non-black/lightblack colour left for ammo 07:29:04 <|amethyst> (lightcyan) 07:29:27 <|amethyst> and we have two ammo types that share a colour (stones and sling bullets) 07:29:27 -!- ivan`` has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:29:27 -!- djinni has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:31:04 <|amethyst> my preference would probably be sling bullet -> green, tomahawk -> lightcyan (since it's a bigger dart) OTOH slings are brown so maybe it is stones that should change 07:32:36 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:04 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:33:11 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:00 MarvinPA (L27 NaEE) (Lair:2) 07:34:13 aaa 07:34:58 so i guess there is still some lair-specific thing breaking my save 07:36:14 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: really? 07:36:22 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:36:38 well, i just tried to autotravel to lair:2 there 07:36:47 <|amethyst> You said your stash was there, right? 07:36:49 it loaded fine 07:36:50 yeah 07:36:52 -!- raskol has quit [Client Quit] 07:37:26 <|amethyst> Yeah, I think the bad artefact or whatever is probably in Lair:2 07:39:19 oh hmm 07:39:34 looking at it locally, there is an artefact plate armour with sustab 07:39:42 which shouldn't be possible i think? 07:39:45 <|amethyst> hmm 07:40:05 oh that reminds me my axe of woe got sustab somehow 07:40:11 well, the inscription 07:40:38 the save is around a month old or so, so probably the same cause 07:44:44 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: does the version that introduced ARTP_SUSTAB have this problem (do you still have an old untransferred copy of the save?) 07:45:37 yeah i have the old backup still, i'll have a look 07:46:06 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined 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Yiuf forever. 08:35:49 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:35:50 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 08:36:16 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: this involves vector resize code, so besides an optimised build it might also be nice to try out electrifence or valgrind or such 08:36:29 <|amethyst> s/lectri/lectric/ 08:37:05 <|amethyst> %git 08:37:05 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-898-ged53e02: Replace War Chants with Battle in old saves. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed53e02fb03e 08:37:14 <|amethyst> (since the announcement killed chei :P ) 08:38:21 it looks like the plate armour does get sustab added in the version that introduced ARTP_SUSTAB (previously it was rC+ Dex+3, then it becomes rC+ Dex+3 SustAb) 08:40:17 <|amethyst> but it doesn't crash? 08:40:33 no 08:40:57 <|amethyst> oh 08:42:28 i'll try an optimised build again, i think i tried that yesterday when i was looking for other problems and it also didn't crash though 08:42:31 !tell edlothiol I tried editing the .json file directly first, but it didn't work. In hindsight I think it was because I forgot the brackets. thanks 08:42:32 johnstein: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 08:49:17 <|amethyst> yes, JSON is a very rigid format (making up for its past sins) 08:49:46 <|amethyst> "I'll just pass that through eval" 08:50:11 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:52 yeah i still can't get it to crash at all locally 09:06:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:12 -!- fearitslef has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:09:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:19 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:11:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:25 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 09:22:13 -!- Twinge has quit [] 09:23:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34:12 johnstein, |amethyst: it's probably more that the server expects the pre_options and options to be a list 09:41:46 03edlothiol02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.15-a0-746-gbb792df: Webtiles: Type-check a bit of JSON in the config. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb792df8db11 09:44:55 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:51 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:55 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:49:34 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:57 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 09:58:09 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:01 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:05:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140517030204]] 10:05:37 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:10:20 -!- Thrall has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:01 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:17:02 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807]] 10:21:09 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 10:21:48 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23:21 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:29 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:23:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:31 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:04 PleasingFungus: you helped me find a bug :) 10:36:16 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-899-g852b218: Explicitly specify the weights of (most) Hell entries. 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=852b2189dc7f 10:36:16 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-900-g4980385: Mostly remove impitis from Dis Hell entries (PleasingFungus). 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49803859856e 10:36:16 03PleasingFungus02 {Grunt} 07* 0.15-a0-901-g701662a: Hell entries (#8574). 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 174+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=701662a0b624 10:36:16 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-902-g3657de4: A Lightli temple (#8576). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 53+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3657de49ff1e 10:36:38 5s in depths is a good bug 10:40:00 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:40:25 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:35 Grunt: the weights? 10:41:48 The weights, yes. 10:41:59 !send dpeg weighty matters 10:42:00 Sending weighty matters to dpeg. 10:42:30 hooray for variety! 10:42:38 down with impitis, etc 10:43:02 * Grunt shouts, "Quit, thou tasty snack!" 10:44:38 Grunt: speaking of bugs, apparently since throwing uses the same codepath as UC being in a form/heavy armour affects it similarly 10:44:44 sounds not-intended 10:46:16 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:45 -!- notcluie is now known as notbcadren 10:46:52 -!- notbcadren has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:48:54 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:26 -!- Eonwe2 is now known as Eonwe1 10:51:43 * dpeg is crushed by weights. 10:56:53 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:59:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:00:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:21 robotron on forum: @Devteam: and while you're at it: shorten the whole damn game by about 50% level-wise, re-calibrate exp & floor drops. 11:02:40 Do players really expect that anyone reads their garbage, let alone replies? :O 11:02:46 dang, rude 11:02:55 1learn add tavern 11:03:07 What gets me annoyed even more is that we're cutting levels from the damn game since 0.4 or so. 11:03:28 not enough. never enough 11:03:32 "re-calibrate exp & floor drops", thankyouverymuch 11:03:35 imho cut dungeon. that'd shorten the game quite a bit! 11:04:03 or at least remove 12 levels from it or so 11:04:06 wait 11:04:10 :) 11:05:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:06:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:11 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:13:41 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:15:07 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:17:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-903-g9207743: Remove a small bit of old vault cruft. 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92077430f9fc 11:17:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-904-g5604f1e: Move a couple of vaults to a more appropriate file. 10(31 minutes ago, 2 files, 273+ 268-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5604f1e69bb0 11:17:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-905-gaa172a9: Adjust grunt_runaround to be able to place on D:$. 10(14 minutes ago, 2 files, 346+ 302-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa172a9e36e0 11:17:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-906-gafd7a0d: Clean up a vault header by giving the vault a sane monster set. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 40+ 91-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=afd7a0d38808 11:19:44 Grunt: you ruined the most unreadable vault in the world 11:19:45 how could you :( 11:19:57 Grunt: wasn't that in case of old saves? 11:20:06 for the short time that vaults was in depths 11:20:15 *from 11:28:47 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:30:47 -!- Stendarr is now known as Stendarr_ 11:31:33 Grunt: massive commit 11:31:44 wheals: It's gone from every other such vault by now. 11:31:50 oh 11:31:54 sucks to be those guys then 11:32:31 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:32:46 !send dpeg weighty commits 11:32:47 Sending weighty commits to dpeg. 11:32:49 -!- Kacy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:33:41 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:34:29 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:48 -!- notclvie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38:08 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:40:09 -!- aegolden has quit [Quit: aegolden] 11:40:18 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:40 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:14 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:47:00 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:49:53 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:50:54 -!- joy19999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:10 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:23 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:56:06 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:13 Thrall has updated the Beogh wiki page :) 11:59:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:01:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:03:31 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:04:02 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:10 Mu_: hi! 12:05:12 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:18 yo 12:05:32 lurking, or around on purpose? :) 12:06:17 just lurking~ 12:08:28 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 12:08:55 The lurker above engulfs ##crawl-dev! 12:10:29 Mu_: These days, DCSS experiences one massive rule change after the other. 12:10:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:03 oh hey my vault made it in 12:11:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:11:51 13:10 < BirdoPrey> heh,cool 12:11:51 13:10 < BirdoPrey> a spectral shapeshifter 12:11:52 13:10 < BirdoPrey> _Your spectral giant firefly changes into a boring beetle! 12:13:01 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:15:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-906-gafd7a0d (34) 12:16:01 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:24 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:25 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 12:21:53 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:53 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 12:21:53 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:36 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:38 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:05 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:34:10 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:19 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:48 -!- Thrall has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40:14 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:42 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-907-gc67c2e8: Resurrect old Radiant Caverns layouts as U encompass vaults (#2684). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 189+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c67c2e8fd322 12:41:22 dpeg: ^ 12:41:30 -!- Bcadren_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:33 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807]] 12:44:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:34 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 12:45:31 #2684, this must be ancient 12:45:47 mmm radiant caverns 12:47:18 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:18 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:54:19 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:58:05 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:58:24 -!- Quashie has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:59:48 -!- palacebeast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:56 I know monsters are supposed to be 'smart' but some of the dumber points of AI really could use some fixing...like Tengu Reavers killing themselves. (Cast Poisonous Cloud, then follow you through it, die of their own poison). 13:12:40 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:17:39 bonus points if you're rPois to begin with 13:19:57 rPoised to win 13:21:13 (extra bonus points if you die because the tengu using poison cloud meant he was stuck in that instead of your freezing cloud) 13:21:22 -!- lanbox has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:53 -!- enygmata has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:11 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-908-g0527d05: Some old Lair vaults/minivaults from carwin (#3819). 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 350+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0527d05cdfc1 13:27:23 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:53 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:41:27 03KennySheep02 {Grunt} 07* 0.15-a0-909-g95fbca7: Two sewers (#8484). 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 91+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95fbca7486a6 13:41:29 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:41:35 -!- Stendarr_ is now known as Stendarr 13:45:19 "three jellies is more threat than any other sewer vault" even there's a sewer vault that can place 50 jellies? 13:45:27 *even houh 13:45:33 though 13:48:10 (todo fix that) 13:48:26 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:49:19 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-910-gf78ccf3: Don't place 50 jellies in a sewer vault (wheals). 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f78ccf3f6e6a 13:49:20 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:04 -!- fufumann has quit [Quit: und weg...] 13:52:07 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:39 boo! 13:52:51 don't be so afraid :) 13:53:29 I don't mind getting the occasional high-tier threat; I don't like getting a possibly only-extremely-highly-bounded number of something. 13:55:52 is there any limit to corrosion 13:55:53 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:55:59 nope 13:56:04 !lg * min=ac x=ac 13:56:07 3254224. [ac=-50] MegaKyle the Archer (L10 DgWn), slain by a wolf on D:10 on 2014-05-17 08:22:45, with 7707 points after 11312 turns and 0:39:56. 13:56:25 jelly (04J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 12-21 | AC/EV: 0/2 | Dam: 308(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(12), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 42 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 13:56:25 %??Jelly 13:56:35 acid blob (11J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-121 | AC/EV: 1/3 | Dam: 4208(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 2420 | Sp: s.acid (3d7+7d5) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 13:56:35 %??Acid blob 13:56:44 why not make it 3*hd 13:57:38 unless the wackiness is a desired feature 13:58:20 or just 0 AC 13:58:56 -!- enygmata_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:59 !lg * min=ac -log 14:01:02 3254231. MegaKyle, XL10 DgWn, T:11312: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/MegaKyle/morgue-MegaKyle-20140517-082245.txt 14:01:55 -!- enygmata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:02 My point is that I feel the corrision will be tweaked in the near future, no need to touch all vaults that possible spawn a jelly or two :) 14:09:38 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10:17 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:12:52 |amethyst: when you pushed your letter_to_index() change, I see you left in an edited comment: // for *some* memory compat 14:12:58 What's the comment mean at this point? 14:14:34 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:18 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18:47 is this "speak engrish" day? 14:19:28 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:00 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:02 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 14:23:48 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:14 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:29 -!- wheals_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:25:13 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:27:03 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:31:54 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33:48 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:43 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:42:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:45:35 -!- enygmata_ is now known as enygmata 14:47:09 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:48:34 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:42 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:31 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:40 -!- Lprsti99___ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:54:18 -!- Rotatell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54:18 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54:32 -!- Makrond|Dead has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:54:38 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54:55 -!- tholmes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:54:58 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54:59 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:55:01 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:55:35 -!- Goncyn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:56:05 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:56:14 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:54 Question: One of the things in the 'will not do' list is 'two headed species', I get the 'no to two religions', but what about 'two amulet slots is too powerful? 14:58:20 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as Bcadren 14:58:58 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59:09 not worth it 14:59:25 Bcadren: well, that's probably slightly easier to implement, but I wouldn't swear to it 14:59:46 It sounds cool, but it's just not worth the pain. We have an eight-species, that has to suffice. (And 8 rings is a lot more interesting than 2 amulets.) 14:59:55 certainly makes more sense conceptually, but I remember seeing lots code assuming there can be only one 14:59:59 eight-ring species* 15:00:14 +of 15:01:31 -!- sgiratch_ has quit [Changing host] 15:01:37 !seen reaverb 15:01:38 I last saw reaverb at Mon May 19 05:01:55 2014 UTC (14h 59m 42s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 15:01:49 I was just thinking of the idea of a god that's primary gimmick was 'lets you wear more equipment' along with 'jewelry acquirements'. 15:03:14 that sounds more like a randgod idea 15:03:54 Bcadren: btw, you might like to hear that I took one of your Summon God ideas (the final Summon Malign Abomination) and added it to the list of randgod trademark powers. 15:04:42 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:05:52 -!- sgiratch_ is now known as sgiratch 15:06:13 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:07:06 -!- cdepatie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:07:24 -!- Unmovable has quit [Changing host] 15:08:30 Cool? haha 15:10:55 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:35 Separating 'Body armour' into 'Light Armour and Heavy Armour' was part of it. You can wear a light armour (Ring or Lighter), under your heavy armour (Scale or heavier). Also you can transmute any one-handed weapon into a shield. And you can 'inset rings' onto (body armour only). [destroys the ring, turns the body armour into an artifact with the ring's effect.] 15:16:40 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17:01 Bcadren: the smithgod already has a mechanic that eats up items 15:17:35 That was actually made? 15:20:01 that's a plan which will be realised 15:20:06 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:20:10 We owe it to pubby and the concept is really good, too. 15:20:10 I had a similar thought long while back, wiht a few god-specific brands. Don't even know if I posted it. 'Molten' was the key signature brand. (Made in fire so hot the brand will never solidify; ignores AC, but is pure fire (good rF makes it useless)). 15:21:24 I think what I was thinking of would have been a bit too clearly 'here's Crawl's Hephaestus' though. 15:21:37 spoilers: pure fire does not ignore AC 15:23:10 Eronarn I know it normally doesn't. 15:27:14 Bcadren: I have been thinking about the smithgod, and my design goes away from metal/fire. 15:27:27 The thread and wiki page are about "equipment god". 15:27:33 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29:21 -!- enygmata has left ##crawl-dev 15:39:40 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:02 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:41 -!- Redz has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:43:15 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:46:30 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:47:46 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:00 dpeg: hallucination god! none of the items are real. when you abandon the god, you suddenly realize that your character has been naked the whole time. 15:48:04 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:21 -!- lanbox has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:42 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:43 other not-forge takes: crafting items from monster bones, trapping spirits in items 15:51:18 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:51:34 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:35 -!- Twinge has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:59 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:02 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:11 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140506152807]] 15:53:32 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:54:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:54:55 Eronarn: there are so many good god proposals around right now... 0.15 might see four new deities! 15:55:55 dpeg: sorry, i have to boycott crawl until someone fixes lava orcs 15:56:41 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:57:59 -!- M1zzu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:45 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:02 -!- ahahaha has quit [Client Quit] 16:02:17 I understand, but nothing of that is my (un)doing... I am only in it for the gods. 16:03:19 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:04 -!- LNCP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:48 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:28 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:30 Huzzah! 16:21:44 dpeg: I've been purposely staying offline since my internet's been glitchy, any thing you want to talk about? 16:21:48 -!- frank2368 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:54 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:27 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:54 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:01 -!- Redz has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:35:07 -!- Nethris has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37:53 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:38:26 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:30 -!- N78291 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:00 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:21 N78291: Hello! 16:44:34 hi 16:45:22 \o/ 16:45:33 Welcome aboard! 16:46:05 There's now a billion things to do, of which I can only do very few. 16:46:14 !won devteam 16:46:15 devteam has won 915 times in 50069 games (1.83%): 27xSpEn 14xMDFi 14xMiBe 13xMfCr 12xDDNe 12xHOPr 10xDECj 9xDDBe 9xMfIE 8xDsDK 8xDsNe 8xDsWz 8xHEIE 7xDEFE 7xDrIE 7xDsCK 7xKoBe 7xMDPa 6xDDEE 6xDsBe 6xHEFE 6xMiFi 5xDDCK 5xDEWz 5xDgCj 5xDrMo 5xDrVM 5xDsFE 5xGhMo 5xHaBe 5xHaWr 5xMuSu 5xNaFE 5xNaTm 5xSETm 4xDDHe 4xHEAE 4xHOHe 4xKeAE 4xMfGl 4xMfTm 4xMiDK 4xMiGl 4xNaVM 4xNaWz 4xOgBe 4xOgHu 4xSEAs 3xCeHu ... 16:46:22 wheals: haha! 16:46:30 !nick devteam N78291 16:46:32 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman sage wheals gammafunk n78291 16:46:37 er, does that work right 16:46:50 looks right 16:46:52 good way to inflate your ratios 16:46:56 lol 16:47:00 !won devteam 16:47:03 devteam has won 920 times in 50526 games (1.82%): 27xSpEn 15xMDFi 14xMiBe 13xMfCr 12xDDNe 12xHOPr 10xDECj 9xDDBe 9xMfIE 8xDsDK 8xDsNe 8xDsWz 8xHEIE 7xDEFE 7xDrIE 7xDsCK 7xKoBe 7xMDPa 6xDDEE 6xDsBe 6xHEFE 6xMiFi 5xDDCK 5xDEWz 5xDgCj 5xDrMo 5xDrVM 5xDsFE 5xGhMo 5xHaBe 5xHaWr 5xMuSu 5xNaFE 5xNaTm 5xSETm 4xDDHe 4xHEAE 4xHOHe 4xKeAE 4xMfGl 4xMfTm 4xMiDK 4xMiGl 4xNaVM 4xNaWz 4xOgBe 4xOgHu 4xSEAs 3xCeHu ... 16:47:12 that won't actually inflate much unless you put 78291 in the nick instead 16:47:31 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:47:33 !nick devteam reaverb 16:47:34 oh, true 16:47:35 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman sage wheals gammafunk n78291 reaverb 16:47:36 N78291: also welcome :) 16:47:38 yeah, that was the question 16:47:50 We should probably follow the dev checklist this time :) 16:48:08 Congrat N78291! 16:48:10 uh-oh 16:48:14 Time for more ruination?? 16:48:15 <_< 16:48:30 Grunt: that's not on the checklist is it? 16:48:38 It's an implicit entry. >_> 16:48:42 or, not the one we meant 16:48:43 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/new_dev_checklist.txt 16:48:51 ruining things is always on the todo list 16:48:57 N78291: do you have a gitorious account? 16:49:05 I don't think so 16:49:16 I think you need one, for proper ruination. 16:49:27 indeed 16:49:28 https://gitorious.org/+dcss-developers 16:49:32 -!- NearlyNeutral has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:51:24 N78291: Since I went through the hoops most recently. A) Make a gitorious account B) Create a sha public and private key C) Upload the public key to gitorious D) Change your origin pointer to the dev version E) You can now git push! 16:51:49 s/sha/ssh/ 16:52:00 shush key 16:52:29 SamB: Yeah, oops. 16:53:29 also you gotta reveal the account name so someone who administrates the gitorious group can add you 16:54:01 I can do that. 16:54:06 Oh, oops, yes there's that ^ step too. 16:56:53 Human hunter crash by dcl 16:57:10 Human hunter drive, human hunter crash 16:57:24 okay I've registered 78291 on gitorious 16:57:52 N78291: did you give an email? 16:58:08 because gitorious tells me N/A 16:58:16 yes 16:58:33 It's the right account: "member for 7 minutes" 16:58:46 7.8291 minutes 16:58:57 efb 16:59:09 okay, now gitorious sees your email 16:59:11 78291 minutes = 54.36875 days 16:59:15 Grunt: not yours, though :) 17:00:30 ?????? 17:00:30 I don't have a page labeled ???? in my learndb. 17:00:44 ??? 17:03:03 Grunt: about email? gitorious also claims that MarvinPA has none, alongside with Mu, doy and jpeg :) 17:03:32 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:03:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:03:56 grunt is a very private soul. 17:04:02 gentle, yet shy. 17:04:52 dpeg: Oh, the new dev checklist says N78291 should get a wordpress account, and I never happened to get one either. 17:05:00 I have my e-mail address set to hidden. 17:05:03 (on gitorious) 17:06:42 PleasingFungus: yes, that's why his favourite means of communicating is grunting, like orcs often do. 17:07:02 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-911-gf0b1c87: Add 78291 to the dev team in CREDITS.txt 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0b1c87bdca2 17:07:04 reaverb: let me see if I can do that. 17:07:14 dpeg: Thanks. 17:11:56 * Grunt grunts, as Grunt often does. 17:13:14 reaverb, N78291: you should've gotten your wordpress passwords by email 17:13:29 dpeg: Thanks. 17:14:55 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:57 reaverb: do you have a Mantis account? 17:15:02 dpeg: yes. 17:15:14 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:25 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:04 mantisspam92@gmail.com ? 17:16:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:17:13 N78291: nice 17:17:52 dpeg: I could not figure out how to turn off mantis emails, even though I asked in ehre. 17:17:57 s/ehre/here/ 17:18:14 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18:22 So I just made a new email account I could look at if I needed to. 17:18:22 I use reaverb.Crawl@gmail.com 17:18:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:19:12 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-910-gf78ccf3 (34) 17:19:35 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:20:30 -!- Fizybubbleeh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:21:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:57 reaverb: username eraverb? 17:22:13 dpeg: That is a joke correct? 17:22:48 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:15 no, a typo 17:24:02 I have an account for Reaver (with the mail from above). I can change the address, but I wasn't sure if you added a new account, for "reaverb". 17:24:03 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:13 dpeg: Ah, that makes sense. 17:24:36 the reason I'm still reaver on mantis is that It's connected to my Tavern account. 17:24:37 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:37 -!- Sombrero_Mott is now known as Famott 17:25:07 dpeg: I'm assuming I can change my own email address, so I'll just do that myself. 17:25:09 ok, will change the mail then 17:25:52 reaverb: done, also set you as developer 17:26:10 dpeg: Thanks. 17:27:42 dpeg: Hmm, I haven't recieved the WordPress email, does that take time? 17:28:03 no idea :) 17:28:19 I can redo that any time, don't worry. 17:29:01 dpeg: Ok, so do you know how I can disable mantis emailing me? 17:29:25 So I can just use my normal email account there. 17:29:26 My Account -> Preferences 17:29:43 Grunt: I tried like every setting on there and couldn't get it to stop :) 17:29:49 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:29:55 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30:05 just looked it up, but Grunt beat me to it :) 17:31:04 reaverb: hm, if you think it doesn't work, I cannot help: I get all those emails. 17:31:22 dpeg: Eh, I'll see if my current setting fixed it. 17:31:23 ...are you unselecting the "E-mail [...]" boxes and then hitting "update prefs" afterwards? 17:31:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 17:31:31 Grunt: Yes. 17:32:15 -!- Nethris has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:20 Maybe I just got old emails I didn't notice or something, the real problem is that it's impossible to tell if I fixed it unless a new email arrives and I realize I didn't. 17:35:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:11 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 17:38:14 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:50 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:44:19 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:20 dpeg: can i get a wordpress account too? i don' 17:55:26 i don't think i have one 17:55:50 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:40 -!- Kramin has quit [Client Quit] 17:58:48 -!- palacebeast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59:02 wheals: sure things -- wordpress accounts for everyone :) 17:59:10 same email address as on mantis? 17:59:42 oh, i'll update my mantis email address 18:00:08 then just tell me what I should give wordpress 18:00:18 ok, my mantis should be the commit/crd one now 18:00:26 shmmark@gmail.com 18:00:47 wheals: any entries for first/last name desired? 18:00:51 Apparently there's a pressing need for these accounts now? 18:00:53 * Grunt flees in terror. 18:01:01 I should write another update post, I guess. 18:01:04 (maybe after dinner) 18:01:08 Grunt: word 18:01:23 dpeg: shmuale mark, i suppose 18:01:30 Grunt: a wordpressing need, in fact 18:01:40 dpeg: yes, that is the joke <_< 18:02:11 Shmuale is the first name? Funky! :) 18:03:16 -!- magicpoints has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:31 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:03:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:04:13 wheals: Tell me if you recive your Wordpress email any time soon, I still haven't recieved mine. 18:04:53 I got the emails that news members were added, btw :) 18:05:04 (Oh, and if there's one thing I would like to do on Wordpress it's remove the link Crawl wiki from the sidebar, and maybe change the learndb link to loom.shalott since the current one is out of date) 18:05:06 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 18:10:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:14:54 I can easily remove the link to the Crawl wiki. Shall I -- is this contentious? 18:15:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:15:55 dpeg: I wouldn't think so, but I can't be sure. 18:16:06 I would probably be easy to revert though 18:16:09 reaverb: can you give me the full learndb link? 18:16:17 ??learndb 18:16:18 learndb[1/7]: An HTML page of learndb entries is at http://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html. The version on CDO is currently outdated. 18:17:02 (the only thing is that the new page is on a differant server, and I don't know if putting it on the wordpress could cause a traffic jump) 18:17:31 I need clear orders :) 18:17:51 Delete game wiki link. 18:18:44 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots --> http://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html 18:19:07 right? 18:19:15 I think that's fine. 18:19:22 probably the wiki should stay since it is the only way to look up monsters outside of irc (I think?) 18:19:38 N78291: We have monster bots, but they're outdated. 18:19:46 But the wiki is updated to, so it cancels out! 18:19:49 I thought they didn't work at all 18:19:59 yeah, they stopped working when the learndb pipe broke 18:20:05 the web ones that is 18:20:18 both changes done, I can easily revert if it's not ok 18:20:25 for now: sleep 18:20:28 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:20:41 rest in peace 18:20:59 -!- joy19999 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:13 rip 18:21:23 Hmm, the learndb page is no linked to by the "Knowledge Bots" link. 18:22:10 What caused the pipe problem with the learndb's web interface? 18:22:19 magicpoints: CDO move IIRC 18:22:35 It's been broken since last Nov... 18:22:48 Can anything be done to fix it? 18:22:48 and we've known since Feb. 18:22:57 CDO moved too huh 18:23:11 magicpoints: I think Nap kin is the only one which can fix it? Not sure. 18:23:11 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:23:30 SamB: Yes, our main site was down for like a week :D 18:23:39 reaverb: I think basically just Napkin, yeah 18:23:41 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:25:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:25:59 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:34 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:36 -!- rast- is now known as rast 18:28:29 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 18:28:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:29:04 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-912-g34edc9d: Changelog through 0.15-a0-911-gf0b1c87. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34edc9d7fce3 18:30:35 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:33:48 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:28 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:35:59 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:36:33 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-912-g34edc9d (34) 18:37:48 emergency trunk update? 18:39:14 Cherry-picked 1 commit into master 18:39:25 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:27 %git 18:39:27 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-913-gbf57c6f: Don't allow wielding an item that's too large while transformed. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf57c6f8765a 18:39:43 Doesn't seem immediate. 18:40:31 oh does git push not push all branches 18:40:40 i guess that makes sense 18:41:06 yeah that makes a lot of sense 18:41:11 wheals: git push used to do that. 18:41:23 But they changed it because it doesn't make sense. 18:41:28 elliptic: What do you think about minmay's "can't move corpses/skeletons" idea? We could certainly hand-wave to justify it thematically 18:41:37 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:41:54 "The creature's spirit won't let you disturb its resting place" 18:41:57 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:42:01 i don't like it personally since it means you can't get rid of chunks and keep ghouls the way they are roughly 18:42:11 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:18 get rid of chunks? 18:42:26 03wheals02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14.1-4-g0f69f1e: Don't allow wielding an item that's too large while transformed. 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f69f1eb2bc0 18:42:40 oh I see what you mean 18:42:46 you want gh to carry around corpses 18:42:56 hrm 18:43:18 yeah, with weightlessness (hopefully!) and corpse-eating not being common chunks seem...kinda superfluous 18:43:28 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:35 well, gh eating corpses 18:43:38 that doesn't even work 18:43:47 gammafunk: That can be changed. 18:43:54 Oh, and what about Vp eating corpses. 18:43:58 hrm, it's not very good 18:44:04 how often do you carry around corpses on Vp? 18:44:17 they could heal based on how many chunks the corpse would have given them 18:44:18 minmay: That is a satisfactory answer :D 18:44:36 yeah vp bottle blood, so it's a non-issue 18:44:46 and I think having gh eating corpses...well surely there's some solution there 18:44:58 I mean, why can't you just 18:45:01 keep chunks 18:45:12 we already have potions of blood 18:45:24 and if the gh mechanic is worth preserving, then it's worth preserving 18:45:30 pressing c is just too hard 18:45:38 chunks don't create any of these issue; corpse/skele movin does create issues 18:45:38 anyway, it was just something i was thinking about 18:45:43 with multiple things 18:45:53 corpse rot, fedhas, necromancy 18:46:14 wheals: well vp has the same problem 18:46:30 well, note that for most of those you have the same problem with luring the living monster before killing it 18:46:33 the idea is that it's "fun" to do that; personally I agree it's not a very good minigame 18:46:34 imo vp has many problems :P 18:46:43 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:46:48 yes, vp is problematic 18:46:55 but some of them are just my personal opinion, and there are people who like them 18:46:56 and yeah, those issue remain, but it's nice that immobile corpses 18:46:59 !seen scarletj 18:46:59 I last saw ScarletJ at Fri Mar 14 23:21:54 2014 UTC (9w 3d 25m 5s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'. 18:47:06 solves a significant portion all at once 18:47:06 rip 18:47:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:36 in that making them imobile prevents that form of abuse in all those things 18:47:38 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:53 the luring aspect is less problematic; at least the monster is alive :p 18:48:04 and damaging you, presumably 18:48:21 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:45 one thing that gh could have is simply an all-los kind of "make chunk" ability 18:48:50 if you wanted to simplify, I guess 18:49:01 there's till the stacking issue, but we could make one kind of chunk 18:49:27 simulacria 18:49:46 what about them 18:49:59 they could use skeletons! 18:50:12 feeling useless ever since bone shards removal 18:50:43 gammafunk: Can't stack chunks because simulacria wouldn't work. Guess wheals has a decent answer. 18:51:02 oh no, not simulacra 18:51:44 at any rate we could stand to toss poisonous/contaminated/clean distinction 18:51:45 and in a no corpse-move scenario, I think simulacra would just act like animate dead 18:51:51 simulacrua is cool :( 18:51:54 *crula 18:52:19 Well I don't know that the chunk wielding aspect is critical to simulacra 18:52:34 I think it's an attempt to balance the spell 18:52:38 but there are other ways to do that 18:52:41 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:55 I think it'd be nice to prevent the "carry around corpses/skeletons" minigame 18:54:23 -!- robertk_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:54:26 you mean avoid the need for 18:54:56 well the only fix that I'm seconding here is minmay's "don't move corpses/skeles" proposal 18:55:15 so it's more outright prevention 18:55:41 there are perhaps other solutions, like addressing each form of corpse manipulation individually, tweaking it as necessary 18:55:58 but the issues are common between most of those 18:56:05 or are mostly common, I should say 18:56:27 sometimes corpses are in an annoying place though 18:56:51 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:59 well define annoying place 18:57:15 annoying why? because you'd like to animate that ogre somewhere else? that's why we're tryign to prevent 18:57:15 like on the stairs 18:57:20 gammafunk: Cloud generator. 18:57:30 heh, I think I'm ok with that 18:57:31 gammafunk: Err, never mind, I'm confused. 18:57:40 but it makes it harder to see the stairs 18:57:45 so I'll move them 18:57:56 SamB: they rot reasonably quickly 18:58:04 I don't think it's worth preserving corpse movement for that 18:58:20 I agree that's a pretty minor issue. 18:58:47 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:59:58 I'll take it up with Zot, and see what he says 19:00:24 if he has no major objections, I'll perhaps put it on crd and maybe patch weightless depending on the response 19:01:02 I think we can make gh work without carrying corpses, and removing gh isn't my intent 19:01:06 (even though I don't like gh) 19:02:05 gammafunk: Zot? 19:02:12 all will be clear in a sec 19:02:30 !tell dpeg The more I think about not being able to move corpses/skeletons, the more I like how it solves some issues. Do you have any major objections to this? Certain things might need tweaking either now or eventually (maybe gh/simulacra, depending on chunk status) 19:02:31 gammafunk: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 19:02:38 there, Zot contacted 19:02:52 Why are you calling dpeg Zot 19:03:03 If anything, Linley is Zot <_< 19:03:20 I think dpeg is far and away the closest we have to Zot on the dev team 19:03:44 Unknown spell name: 'miasma' in 'fire_storm;ice_storm;lehudib's_crystal_spear;chain_lightning;miasma;teleport_self' 19:03:44 %0.13?gnome spells:fire_storm;ice_storm;lehudib's_crystal_spear;chain_lightning;miasma;teleport_self name:Zot n_rpl col:lightmagenta hd:27 hp:27000 19:03:52 Zot (13g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(108) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d21), ice storm (10d18), crystal spear (3d48), chain lightning, miasma breath (3d18), 04esc:teleport self | Sz: small | Int: normal. 19:03:52 %0.13?gnome spells:fire_storm;ice_storm;lehudib's_crystal_spear;chain_lightning;miasma_breath;teleport_self name:Zot n_rpl col:lightmagenta hd:27 hp:27000 19:03:54 considering the range of things he's willing to consider adding to the game 19:03:55 there 19:04:16 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:04:16 no tornado? really? and no shatter 19:04:40 0.13 :( 19:04:45 heh 19:04:50 (you removed gnomes!!!) 19:04:52 wow, so gnome monsters were in 0.13 19:04:54 (you being wheals) 19:04:56 untrue 19:05:11 I removed all of Pan 19:05:24 I think it's even my first commit? 19:05:25 no, kilobyte removed Pan 19:05:33 wheals: read my commit 19:05:37 it explains in detail 19:05:44 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:45 ah 19:05:46 aha 19:06:11 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-914-g7d8f6f2: Mention some 0.13 changes in the changelog (#7000). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d8f6f234b39 19:06:12 %git 654be61 19:06:13 07gammafunk02 {kilobyte} * 0.13-a0-2719-g654be61: Purge all of Pan from our midst 10(9 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=654be61b1519 19:06:13 i suppose removing pan was a team effort 19:06:13 my second commit, as it turns out 19:06:21 and you guys complained when I wanted to "remove God" >:( 19:06:32 MarvinPA did not appreciate that commit one bit 19:06:38 very unfair imho. 19:06:45 ok, out 19:06:46 gammafunk: >:( No funny commit messages. 19:06:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140512030202]] 19:06:58 well, it's obviously very unacceptable by all standards 19:06:58 yes, we made that a "policy" 19:07:00 i mean really 19:07:02 Even if it's a running gag. 19:07:04 looks at that line length 19:07:23 and the capitals are wrong! 19:07:32 capitals? 19:07:33 gammafunk: Also, why is the commiter kilobyte? 19:07:37 -!- Luno has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:07:42 We must truly Remove All of 19:07:43 reaverb: because, and this is true: he commited it 19:07:51 reaverb: and that was intentional 19:08:03 because "Remove All of Pan" 19:08:05 gammafunk: Ah, I thought this was recent. 19:08:09 was like the ...the meme I guess 19:08:21 I've very confused that PleasingFungus was angry about that. 19:08:23 kind of like All Your Base? 19:08:30 oh, no it makes sense 19:08:56 he's made since 1) we told him his joke commit message was unacceptable but 2) there's me with my second commit (not even commited by me) having a joke commit message 19:09:08 s/made/mad/ 19:09:36 %git HEAD^{/withers and dies} 19:09:40 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-2929-gea85ad3: A nearby "A nearby it withers and dies" withers and dies. 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea85ad332ce1 19:09:40 huh 19:09:54 the skill menu in hints mode has been broken for over a year 19:09:59 i wonder if it has ever worked 19:10:05 What do you mean? 19:10:15 just try it 19:10:19 Grunt: I think that was is fine because it still manages to portray what's happening in the commit. (Fixing a bug) 19:10:24 !tell PleasingFungus I was given the privilege of making a joke commit because I'm incredibly amazing; the bar for joke commits is very high. 19:10:25 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:11:05 Yeah I'm not sure where that line is, but clearly commits with outright deceptive messages are no longer acceptable 19:11:15 1tell PleasingFungus If any more joke commits get pushed on my watch I'll rewrite history just to remove them. 19:11:25 i think it was one of my commits that went over the line 19:11:31 wheals: I've always thought it was intentional that it prohibits you from adjusting your skills? 19:11:52 Wasn't it a ChrisO commit? He used to try to do that as well 19:12:13 Grunt: maybe it shouldn't tell you " You can toggle which skills to train by pressing their slot letters." then 19:12:17 which wheals might have pushed, since wheals did that a lot 19:13:05 Grunt: or that you can use the ! key 19:13:17 reaverb: and I know you're probably not serious, but just in case, I'd recommend not rewriting the commit history even if a bad commit message does occur 19:13:23 Nasty things could happen 19:13:34 gammafunk: I wouldn't. 19:13:39 thought so :) 19:13:46 ??history 19:13:47 history[1/1]: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/the-dawn-of-stone-soup 19:14:05 do you remember what happened when bob, the last guy, who tried to do that did it? 19:14:14 who's bob? 19:14:32 exactly 19:14:32 no you don't since he got sucked out of the space-time continuum 19:14:52 -!- zeia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:14:53 remember, time-travel responsibly 19:15:18 TODO: Add a rewrite history Chei power. 19:15:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:32 Doesn't TOME have that? 19:15:32 And then rewrite history so Chei always had that power. 19:15:38 hehe 19:15:40 Basil: Yes, mutliple arguably. 19:15:52 isn't it really buggy? 19:15:55 in this alternate history, ##crawl actually loves Cheibriados 19:15:56 (Althogh I've never played it I just read their wiki) 19:16:18 * reaverb has a brief thought of horror at the idea the TOME wiki could be as bad as Crawl wiki. 19:16:21 gammafunk: he makes for amusing ttyrecs sometimes 19:16:32 Basil: what's your basic opinion on chei? 19:16:48 He makes the game take longer in real time 19:16:52 since moving is painful 19:17:05 ah, that would be annoying 19:17:11 I should complete a chei win at some point 19:17:51 !hs * heie chei 19:17:52 11. quayzong the Gelid (L16 HEIE of Cheibriados), slain by a redback on Spider:3 on 2014-04-06 10:33:58, with 147308 points after 40429 turns and 5:34:04. 19:17:58 never 19:18:00 That said, blasting dudes with parrow on ghvm was sort of cute 19:18:05 pew pew pew 19:18:52 yeah mine was a GhEE 19:19:00 died to a yak in lair though 19:23:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:24:34 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:24:43 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:03 wheals: hmmmmmmm, this may be a bug after all 19:25:22 Just testing something... 19:25:25 !bug 5346 19:25:26 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5346 19:25:29 for the full report 19:25:44 ha 19:25:44 yes 19:25:51 It is a bug, and I see exactly what broke it too. 19:26:12 does this mean there was a point when it was working?? 19:26:28 Yes, and I can see which commit broke it. 19:28:57 Oh, I remember that bug. 19:29:09 I was very confused on the Tutorial until I figured it out. 19:29:19 (This was like a year or two ago when I first started playing) 19:30:47 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:35 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-915-gdde538d: Allow toggling skill practicing in tutorial/hints mode again. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dde538dc352c 19:31:36 Cherry-picked 2 commits into stone_soup-0.14 19:32:01 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:18 oh, there's a part in the tutorial about being burdened, isn't there 19:35:21 I need to remove that 19:35:54 -!- CSDCScripter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:51 !tell elliptic An idea for large rocks: instead of having an inventory limit, have it eventually set exhaustion; it would require reworking exh from a simple duration, but it's doable 19:36:52 gammafunk: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 19:37:28 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:37:51 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:16 gammafunk: Ah, from throwing too manY? 19:38:20 many 19:38:34 yes 19:38:43 that would require exhaustion to have some penalty 19:38:45 a few ways you could have that play out 19:38:58 N78291: Not being able to throw more large rocks should work. 19:39:01 N78291: well, the penalty would be you can't throw more large rocks when exhausted 19:39:13 but yeah, different penalties are possible 19:39:32 ah, so str would let you have more rocks? 19:39:38 My pet idea is to get the "Weak" status in as a cooldown for something. 19:39:51 heh, good point 19:39:59 gammafunk knows this because I suggested it for jump attack, I don't think it would work for this thought. 19:40:01 what to do with rocks and str; I suppose letting you throw more 19:40:04 also you couldn't do a throwzig with ddoor backup 19:40:08 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:40:18 if it had an exh timer 19:40:19 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:23 suggested what for jump attack? 19:40:39 gammafunk: The weak status as cooldown? I guess maybe you don't remember. 19:40:45 ah, right 19:41:06 yeah I didn't like that since it'd be an offensive ability you'd use and then your offense would be nerfed 19:41:24 wheals: We could split Exh into multiple cooldowns. 19:41:38 Or use Breath or something. 19:41:46 reaverb: that wasn't a serious suggestion on wheals' part :) 19:41:52 or rather he wasn't giving a serious problem 19:41:58 "You are feeling out of Breath from throwing all those rocks". 19:42:00 i was joking, though it is weird that berserk, jumping, and the edge of death tire you in the same way 19:42:17 ??realism 19:42:17 realism of crawl[1/11]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 19:42:31 yeah, it's merely convenience. It's not too bad a stretch though 19:42:59 there are lots of little annoyances with the large rock + exh thing 19:43:06 but those could probably be addressed 19:43:21 the upside is not having to stash rocks and backtrack to pick them up 19:43:25 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:25 which is a pretty big upside 19:43:48 gammafunk: Ok, so this would also remove mulching? 19:43:52 it'd be nice to know how many rocks you can throw before exh, which might require some special indicator 19:44:03 reaverb: hrm 19:44:18 you know, mulching in general is a bit of an issue in weightless 19:44:31 since for many kinds of ammo it's pretty meaningless 19:44:49 I wonder if "mulch only if you have a brand" would be worthwhile 19:44:53 gammafunk: I think mulching should be a differant debat thought. 19:45:10 well mulching matters a lot early game 19:45:12 reaverb: well, when it comes to large rocks mulching 19:45:21 when you only have your starting 20 arrows 19:45:30 yeah, that's when I'd imagine it would matter most 19:45:43 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:45:48 anyhow, yeah large rocks wouldn't need to mulch I suppose 19:45:59 I guess there's still the early game issue though 19:46:03 perhaps it's best that they do 19:46:11 eventually it's pretty easy to keep them in supply 19:46:56 gammafunk: I'm not really fond of using Exh status for lots of totally different things (ddoor is the main offender of course) 19:46:56 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:47:17 do you think some kind of separate indicator is worth pursuing? 19:47:34 TOME's cooldown system is something we could use. 19:47:49 /emulate 19:48:00 well I don't know what that is, so you'll have to explain 19:48:12 like tornado I imagine 19:48:29 well, that'd be what I mean by a separate indicator 19:48:40 gammafunk: not sure, personally I'm still not sure that the behavior of "can only throw 8 large rocks without refueling in some way" is worth trying to maintain anyway 19:49:59 well, I'm not sure if just allowing Og/Tr to throw as many base 20 damage things that they like is a great idea 19:50:06 since all that that behavior has ever done for me is discourage me from training throwing 19:50:31 perhaps a slight base damage nerf and just remove any limit? 19:50:36 well, it isn't like Og/Tr goes around throwing large rocks at things in melee range anyway usually after early game 19:50:55 yes, that's true; they have better/more accurate melee damage 19:51:12 unless you've actually training throwing up, you can just hit stuff in melee range to do far more damage, and 6-8 rocks is enough for before stuff reaches melee range usually anyway 19:51:59 yeah, well that is certainly a solution that's easy to implement :p 19:52:09 I understand that the idea is to differentiate throwing large rocks from other types of ranged combat, but in practice I'm not convinced it does a good job of that... maybe other people feel differently though 19:52:19 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:33 !log . oghu -2 19:52:34 4/5. Basil, XL27 OgHu, T:126666: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Basil/morgue-Basil-20140505-022732.txt 19:52:56 Well, I'll ask dpeg what he thinks 19:53:00 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:11 That "inventory limit" code is not very much and is easilly removed 19:55:34 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:56:56 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-916-g5fe76d3: Remove mention of ! from tutorial/hints skills screen (#5346). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fe76d3cc266 19:56:57 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 19:57:17 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:57:26 whee 19:58:48 mmm, I think I preferred javelins or stones for most use on that dude, since large rocks seem really inaccurate 19:59:01 then again, there was the throwing damage nerf after that game 20:00:39 I've never used discussion groups like c-r-d. I receive it in digest form and have that linked to my gmail. what is the correct way to respond? reply to the digest email; edit subject line; delete all the previous questions that are irrelevant to the topic I'm replying to; add my message at the top of the reply; hit send. 20:01:03 Is that the correct process? I feel dumb even asking but I would hate to generate a bunch of spam in my reply 20:01:24 re large rock cap: I'd like to point out that steel javelins do more damage at high skill/stats, and nobody sees a need for a cap on those 20:01:40 large rocks are more common but I don't think that's really an important difference here 20:02:05 Isn't the damage difference not true anymore with the ranged combat revamp? 20:03:35 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:03:52 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:05:19 ??steel 20:05:20 steel[1/1]: Ammo brand that does 30% more damage, is destroyed at one tenth the normal rate upon impact, and weighs three times as much as normal. Sorry, no steel arrows. 20:05:24 ??javelin 20:05:24 javelin[1/1]: After a kinetic force is applied, a brief period occurs during which the javelin travels aerodynamically towards its target coordinates, after which the pointy end goes into the other person (or bee). Base damage is 10. Weight is 8 aum. Mulch rate is 1/20. 20:05:36 hrm, how do they do more damage than large rocks 20:06:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:09 unless there's a delay based on missiles that I'm not aware of 20:06:21 I gues there's accuracy, but again I'm not sure what the difference is 20:07:17 -!- NearlyNeutral has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:11 yeah, large rocks are doing more in fsim 20:08:20 Against what? 20:08:29 stone giant 20:08:39 maybe try a tere 20:08:45 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-917-g9adecd8: Condense three functions into one. 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 22+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9adecd859516 20:08:45 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-918-g141a0f8: Don't announce out-of-sight ranged combat hits (#8526). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=141a0f860adc 20:09:07 Isn't the damage difference not true anymore with the ranged combat revamp? 20:09:09 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:11 still does more 20:09:12 I specifically tested it after the ranged combat revamp 20:09:21 the difference is dramatically *larger* than it used to be 20:09:49 there were bugs in ranged combat that grunt fixed 20:10:10 I specifically tested it after those were fixed, too :P 20:10:15 -!- planet_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:15 my current fsims show about 5 higher avef damage against tere 20:10:21 for large rocks vs steel javs 20:10:22 I guess maybe the difference was larger back when they were +50% damage 20:10:32 gammafunk: str/dex/fighting/throwing? 20:10:44 low dex, yeah 20:10:49 25 str 20:10:51 12 dex 20:11:18 and max throwing 20:11:24 and max fighting? 20:11:27 on my weightless thrower, what I was throwing didn't seem to have a big impact on the damage 20:11:36 yeah, those results look about right 20:12:03 but yeah, the point remains that there's not much difference between the two 20:12:19 oh hm, maybe I did do it back when there was a relevant bug - looks like large rocks are indeed currently better in most/all circumstances 20:12:38 there were a few bugs, or maybe only two 20:12:51 one was the wielded weapon always getting added/used or something similar 20:13:14 yeah 20:14:07 Well, I'm certainly fine ripping out my nice code; I'll just see what dpeg says, maybe just email crd 20:14:29 I guess I can also bring up the corpse issue 20:15:12 One thing I can see is that while luring dangerous enemies around for necromancy purposes isn't that much of a thing now, we might actually increase that with immobile corpses 20:15:24 -!- Isvaffell has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:52 johnstein: I believe you can reply to the digest to send a c-r-d email. 20:15:54 as great as the YASD/ttyrecs that it would generate might be, I wouldn't want it to become significantly more common 20:19:21 reaverb: ty. I just tried it. it's awaiting approval so it seems to have worked 20:20:00 johnstein: Yes, might take a day or so for approval (dpeg can do it but I don't know if anybody else can) 20:20:06 What's the email on? 20:21:28 fedhas fruit alternative related to food goldification 20:21:48 goldify fruit and call it seeds and have fed gift them 20:22:01 use seeds to power fed abilities 20:22:05 johnstein: dpeg really wants it to be something you find in the dungeon. 20:22:13 And that's what we sort od decided on. 20:22:18 oops 20:23:02 I missed that in the discussion 20:23:33 that's what I get for reading crd while walking to and from my car at work 20:24:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:01 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:27:25 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:59 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:37 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:29:48 -!- rast- is now known as rast 20:30:06 johnstein: sounds potentially dangerous 20:30:27 too reliable of a source? 20:30:33 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:49 my thinking was with fedhas, you never know when your fruit supply will dry up, so you tend to be stingy with your fruit. gifted seeds could potentially encourage more use of the abilities. but if the goal is to use an item from the dungeon (but not fruit), then I can see how what I suggested would be at odds with that. 20:32:05 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:32:23 it's embarrassing that I missed that point in the discussion or I would not have written it as I did. 20:34:05 johnstein: I don't think it was very clear, you can always send another "Please don't let my first email through" email. 20:35:28 I said I would "replace Fedhas fruit costs with costs of a new item" which I thought was unambigious but I had to clear it up with dpeg too. 20:35:50 and nobody else has really chimed in. 20:35:51 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:11 I think only Basil actually plays Fedhas anyways >_> 20:37:28 gammafunk: Fedhas is apparently pretty good, I know Basil plays a lot of Fedhas though. 20:37:43 -!- minorSug has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:48 Because as a spice he feels a connection to the plants. 20:37:58 !lg reaverb god=fedhas max=xl 20:37:59 No games for reaverb (god=fedhas). 20:38:15 !lg . god=fedhas 20:38:16 3. gammafunk the Shatterer (L27 OgAr of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-08-04 09:03:55, with 1336945 points after 125696 turns and 19:23:30. 20:38:24 I clearly get veto rights here 20:38:26 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 20:38:34 Hmm, I would play a Fedhas game but new nemelex 20:38:48 !lg reaverb god=nemelex max=xl 20:38:49 6. reaver the Spear-Bearer (L11 MfSu of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by a yak on Lair:2 on 2013-10-21 00:48:31, with 11193 points after 26014 turns and 2:44:11. 20:38:50 I should probably bring up merging that into trunk. 20:39:01 gammafunk: Doesn't count experimental games. 20:39:21 We're going to have to put you on a strict "goodplayer" diet 20:39:23 I have a L12 SpEn of Nemelex right now. 20:39:40 gammafunk: I already am. I don't think I've played a Gr since the toruney. 20:39:52 no, goodplayer means 10 wins 20:39:59 !lg . fedhas 20:40:00 26. Basil the Conqueror (L27 OgAs of Fedhas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-05-19 01:52:44, with 1334767 points after 118856 turns and 5:33:53. 20:40:03 it actually doesn't matter if it's 10 MiBe 20:40:05 gammafunk: Oh, yeah, greatplayer. 20:40:13 no, greatplayer is all species 20:40:15 I get bored to easily for that too. 20:40:20 greaterplayer is all species, all bg 20:40:30 Is this an appropiate chat room for minor suggestions? 20:40:30 gammafunk: Yes, I thought the definition of greatplayer was the definition of goodplayer. 20:40:52 !goodplayer reaverb 20:40:53 reaverb is not a goodplayer yet: 1 win (9 to go). 20:40:54 minorSug: sure, it's a place where you can make suggestions for the game 20:40:55 ... 20:41:02 minorSug: sure. 20:41:12 Grunt: Yeah I know. 20:41:26 reaverb: don't feel bad, since... 20:41:30 !lg Grunt HuAr 20:41:31 75. SGrunt the Devout (L27 HuAr of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-23 01:26:05, with 1153129 points after 195539 turns and 9:42:11. 20:41:35 took him 75 to get that 20:41:37 deplorable 20:41:41 !lg gammafunk nafi 20:41:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:41:42 No games for gammafunk (nafi). 20:41:45 hm 20:41:46 very devout 20:41:47 !lg . won 20:41:48 1. reaver the Skullcrusher (L27 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-03-21 21:52:11, with 1478612 points after 119962 turns and 12:00:04. 20:41:48 nafi? 20:41:52 !won . nafi 20:41:53 Grunt (nafi) has won once in 1 games (100.00%): 1xNaFi 20:41:57 !won magicpoints nafi 20:41:58 magicpoints (nafi) has won once in 138 games (0.72%): 1xNaFi 20:42:05 !won . DrMo 20:42:06 gammafunk (DrMo) has won once in 1 games (100.00%): 1xDrMo 20:42:09 (Apparently I am pretty good for winning that on my first try? <_<) 20:42:15 !won . koam 20:42:16 Grunt (koam) has won once in 1 games (100.00%): 1xKoAM 20:42:39 well magicpoints plays like a bat out of hell 20:43:02 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:44:25 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:26 gammafunk: What does a bat out of hell play like anyway? 20:44:48 -!- minorSug has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:13 reaverb: apparently, using the top numbers row for movement 20:45:15 bat out of hell (04b) | Spd: 45 | HD: 27 | HP: 103-139 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 604(fire:27-53) | sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(36), 05hellfire, 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold, 12drown | XP: 6540 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 20:45:15 %??fire bat name:bat_out_of_hell n_rpl perm_ench:haste perm_ench:swift hd:27 20:45:52 good fire damage 20:46:01 Yes. 20:46:15 Grunt: good vault monster 20:46:21 !fight fire bat name:bat_out_of_hell n_rpl perm_ench:haste perm_ench:swift hd:27 v ice statue t:3 20:46:46 !fight cancel 20:46:51 !fight fire bat name:bat_out_of_hell n_rpl n_des perm_ench:haste perm_ench:swift hd:27 v ice statue t:3 delay:300 20:46:53 1learn add bat_out_of_hell It will kill you. 20:47:24 !fight 27 fire bat name:bat_out_of_hell n_rpl n_des perm_ench:haste perm_ench:swift hd:27 v antaeus t:3 delay:50 20:47:31 ha 20:47:57 fr: asmodeus can summon those 20:51:44 -!- minorSug has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:50 (Why are some new, spell icons highlighted by a square now?) 20:52:24 yeah, that's an issue with the new icons 20:52:44 %git --author=ontoclasm 20:52:44 07ontoclasm02 * 1d087e7da7a6: Make art. ring mail more distinct (Brannock) 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d087e7da7a6 20:53:30 gammafunk, I thought the squares signified that it was a buff 20:53:46 heh, I doubt that's really the case 20:53:50 must be a coincidence then 20:53:52 but it sounds like a bad way to indicate that 20:54:26 Nivim: It's just an intermeditary period, eventually they will all be like that. 20:54:28 I'll remember to ask onto the next time I see him 20:54:46 Had my daily disconnect. Comcast is great. 20:54:52 I'm not sure the border looks good in tiles 20:55:36 reaverb: You mean stylized as well as with the rim? 20:55:45 Nivim: Yeah. 20:55:49 Bleh. 20:56:53 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57:48 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58:11 does anybody use show_gold_turns = false? 20:58:13 just wondering 21:02:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:08 This is a very minor suggestion and doesn't change the game, but it would add flavor and be slightly humorous. For Gozag's 3000 gold bribe branch ability, keep the cost the same but lower the amount in the description. 21:05:48 Dev question, if anyone has a moment. I'm getting a compile error: passing 'const monster' and 'this' argument of 'bool monster::add_ench(const mon_enchant&)' discards qualifiers. 21:05:57 -!- minorSug has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:06:09 The function having this error is called with params (const monster* mons, int damage) and tries to run mons->add_ench(mon_enchant(ENCH_MUTE, 1, act, power+random2(80))); 21:07:34 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:08:06 -!- somebody has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:08:20 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:09:34 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:54 # brown = contaminated, may cause nausea 21:13:55 nice 21:15:11 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:16:15 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:16:54 minorSug: I have no idea what that sentance means :D 21:17:01 -!- somebody1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:46 Lasty: which function is it (the name) 21:17:56 It's a new function iashol_do_retribution 21:18:11 I'm calling it from a new fineff modeled after mirror_damage_fineff 21:18:27 Lasty: Place iashol_do_retribution on paste bin. 21:18:41 I need to blink out for a second, do you mind? 21:18:48 (IRC client update) 21:19:07 -!- AtomikKrab has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:19:19 http://pastebin.com/miYZEm3K 21:19:29 oh, yeah, that's fine. Thanks, reaverb! 21:19:49 Lasty: Try not declaring the first parameter const 21:19:57 of that function 21:20:04 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:20:35 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:21:42 !source monster::add_ench 21:21:43 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc;hb=HEAD#l113 21:21:55 Thanks for the advice, reaverb! It seems to be working. 21:22:13 Lasty: do you know what the const keyword means? 21:22:20 Was the error because trying to alter the monster made it not a const? 21:22:52 In c++, no -- I'd assume it means its immutable. I stole it from another function making use of the same monster object 21:23:07 but come to think of it, it would have made sense for it to be immutable in that function . . . 21:23:09 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23:17 Lasty: Yes, it needs to be immutable. and adding enchament changes the monster. 21:23:21 Makes sense 21:24:04 So yeah, probably could have thought that one through better. I'm kinda stumbling through learning just enough c++ to work on this project . . . 21:24:16 Thanks for the advice! 21:24:37 Lasty: btw C++-general might be better for some of your questions, that one was slightly crawl specific though. 21:24:47 -!- reaverb has quit [Client Quit] 21:25:20 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:29 Awright, I'll try there next time. 21:27:37 Thanks for the tip 21:27:47 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:27:53 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:20 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:32:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:09 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:11 -!- rast- is now known as rast 21:33:53 -!- File200 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:28 -!- somebody has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:34:44 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:34:58 What kind of argument is dice_def? 21:36:18 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:36:48 File200: A class. 21:36:52 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:36:53 Do you know what a class is? 21:36:59 No. 21:37:10 maybe you should take a class ;-P 21:37:14 File200: do you know what a data structure is? 21:37:18 Yes 21:37:55 I'm trying to combine the three glowsplosions into one function 21:38:04 Will this work? 21:38:05 void contam_explosion(int beam_flavor, class beam_dam, int beam_r); 21:38:11 File200: Use a pastie. 21:38:36 File200: The best way to tell if something will work is to try to compile it, that won't. 21:39:13 File200: You pass classes like you would pass data structures. However, if you think very carefully, using 3 parameters is not the best way to do this. 21:39:48 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:06 (Also as SamB mentioned, you may want to get something like a book with a more formal learning experince) 21:40:13 reaverb: I don't follow 21:40:23 * SamB was just making a stupid joke 21:40:42 reaverb: How can I do this with less than three arguments? 21:40:55 (not saying it would be a waste of money to get a good book, though) 21:40:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:37 -!- mewmew has quit [Quit: Virca 1.1.20 rus beta 0.1] 21:41:53 File200: Where else have you seen cases where we need to choose between X differant cases, and all those cases do rather differant things. 21:42:14 (You had to mess with these to add Plutonians) 21:42:45 Switch statements? 21:44:20 Should I make enumerators and set up the function to take an enum as an argument? 21:45:19 File200: Yes, that is what I would do. 21:45:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:45:27 Alright 21:45:43 There might be a better way to do it, but I don't see one. 21:48:23 -!- somebody1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:51:18 File200: Might want to try git pull —rebase after I made all those changes. 21:52:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:54:24 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:54:48 -!- File200 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:58:29 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:31 did frost missiles lose their ability to make freezing clouds over water? 22:05:12 probably, they are like freezing weapons now, not cold beams 22:06:29 Even freezing beams needed sufficient power, I believe 22:06:39 fr ancient throw frost 22:06:55 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:07:37 Idea: Elemental Evoker-like item that uses something like Ghostly Fireball once and summons the spirits of things you recently killed as friendly spectrals. 22:11:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:52 -!- mewmew has quit [Quit: Virca 1.1.20 rus beta 0.1] 22:25:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:48 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32:10 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:34:56 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:35:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:35:19 N78291: I see you decided to (formally) join the dev team; welcome aboard 22:44:55 Is there a formal list somewhere of "We can't just remove food because it would make X broken" 22:45:11 Would probably have "Ely" and "Berserk" and maybe a couple other things. 22:45:34 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51:43 I think spells is bigger than either of those 22:52:06 I guess Berserk is pretty important, but that mostly affects one God 22:53:09 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:54:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:03 -!- Quashie has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:00:07 -!- Quashie_ is now known as Quashie 23:04:52 reaverb: there is also scumming monster generation (you can't do it on d:1 because you'll die, but it is safe in lair) 23:09:35 N78291: Oops, forgot that one. 23:10:06 I can't really think of a bigger one than spell hunger, but maybe there is 23:10:45 rods can cause a lot of hunger as well, but that's not quite as big of a deal 23:11:16 Is it only strategic with Ely and scumming? 23:11:51 spells too if you are careless 23:11:54 hrm, I guess it's strategic for spell hunger in that if you abuse spells you'll starve :p 23:13:02 Hmm. 23:13:04 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:13:50 -!- vadatajs has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:14:41 I'm thinking of replacing most hunger costs with just a status, that you can clear with an "a" ability. Then you only need to force the player to consume food for Ely or over time, and maybe spells. (I imagine stategic spell hunger isn't worth keeping) 23:15:21 I think the only race for which spell hunger matters is Pl 23:15:35 Lightli: Well they won't change. :D 23:17:11 what would be the cost of that a ability? 23:17:34 removing hunger over time was one of my old ideas but it doesn't help with scumming 23:18:02 hrm, how is this different from just having the hungry status and hitting the "e" key? 23:18:13 Aside from fewer keystrokes 23:18:16 gammafunk: It isn't. That's the point. 23:18:26 well, why put it under "a"? 23:18:34 I guess I'm asking, what are you changing, exactly 23:18:35 what infinite scumming remains? 23:18:40 Basically just abyss and pan I guess 23:18:47 gammafunk: So we can use the "e" key for something else :D 23:19:04 N78291: If you saw my goldification email on c-r-d, my idea was basically to do that, tick down ration points instead of food, and then combine it with temporary hunger. 23:19:09 that uh, doesn't sound very usefull 23:19:28 ??crd 23:19:29 c-r-d[1/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 23:19:32 It sounds like you're changing the hunger mechanic in some way when you say "replace most hunger costs with just a status" 23:19:58 Of course, right now we're talking a bit too far ahead, I was fishing for an immediate "that doesn't work because of X" reaction. 23:20:14 gammafunk: Yes, I'm won't bring that up again until we're further along. 23:20:15 -!- Ankalagon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:20:19 -!- Raster_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:43 -!- demiskeleton_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:32 Well, nothing prevents moving things from the e key to the ability menu, but I'd just point out that we're not desperate for uses of the e key 23:23:07 I think there would be some weird quirks where 23:23:13 if you're confused you can't use abilities at all 23:23:18 -!- eb has quit [] 23:23:49 yet I think we allow people to eat while confused 23:24:13 there are confusion allowed abilities 23:25:04 yeah, it was more that most aren't allowed, I guess 23:25:46 One thing regarding "goldifying" food; it's beneficial currently to have things like !porridge or fruit that takes fewer turns to eat 23:26:05 since if you become starving with monsters in los, taking 4 turns to eat can be very bad 23:26:22 perhaps there'd need to be an option to allow eating not a full meal 23:26:33 partially eaten rations, 4.1 style 23:26:36 heh 23:26:46 partly eaten plate mail 23:26:49 well in this scenario, we have only ration points 23:26:59 fr: partially eaten ration points 23:27:08 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:15 fractional ration points 23:27:32 You have 10 ration point 8 sultana ration points 23:27:40 s/point/dot/ 23:27:49 Can you turn a ration into sultanas 23:28:02 I guess everything actually becomes a sultana? 23:28:21 1 rp == 1 sultana 23:28:26 hope you like raisins 23:28:30 !send gammafunk choko hunger 23:28:31 Sending choko hunger to gammafunk. 23:28:38 <3 the name 23:28:59 Grunt: can you make a crawl-themed phone game called that? tia 23:29:18 what would happen with gold rations if you gain carnivore or herbviore? 23:29:34 Uh... 23:29:37 N78291: You can't gain carnivore or herbavore anymore. 23:29:40 %git 291ab9b 23:29:41 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-675-g291ab9b: Remove diet mutations from random generation 10(12 days ago, 3 files, 9+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=291ab9b34b0b 23:29:42 I guess you have meat points and bread points 23:29:55 vegan points 23:30:00 This is why I want to do all those other simplifications. 23:30:08 hm, they would actually be meaningful with no chunks 23:30:17 level 3 anyway 23:30:35 Yes, and also "weird stuff which works on both carnivore or herbavore points" 23:30:38 I just hope I don't end up seeing RP and lots of references to "ration points" in game 23:31:08 gammafunk: Yes ration points is probably not the best word for it. 23:31:10 reaverb: zot points 23:31:14 Heh. 23:31:58 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:23 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:27 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:59 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:40:05 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:40:51 -!- mewmew has quit [Quit: Virca 1.1.20 rus beta 0.1] 23:42:35 Does anybody know what's up with this error? Building on Windows with MINGW32 23:42:37 spl-summoning.o: file not recognized: File truncated 23:42:37 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 23:43:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:45 sounds like you ran out of disk space? 23:53:24 !tell dpeg I haven't recieved the WordPress email. It would be nice if you could resend it. 23:53:25 reaverb: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 23:53:53 I don't think so I still have a little over 20GB 23:54:24 [21:23] gammafunk I think there would be some weird quirks where [21:23] gammafunk if you're confused you can't use abilities at all 23:54:30 also, you wouldn't be able to eat while berzerked 23:55:25 PleasingFungus: Yes. 23:55:44 You bite the royal jelly!!!!! 23:55:58 I stabbed trj in weightless a little while ago 23:56:01 kind of underwhelming 23:57:42 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:58:12 You didn't get "The dying Royal Jelly spits out seventeen more jellies." 23:58:14 ? 23:58:17 yeah I did but 23:58:21 I had to clean up all that mess 23:58:35 should have just cteled, but I wanted to play around with stone of tremors 23:58:48 (and I didn't need loot aside from artes)