00:00:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:00:22 I'm seeing (!(you.experience_level % for every species 00:00:31 file200: Hmm, let me check. 00:01:38 file200: Ah, I see, I was misreading the code. 00:01:51 file200: Yes, plutnians are fine there. 00:02:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-881-g6f76ed4 (34) 00:02:10 But they could maybe use stat adjustments? 00:02:10 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:47 -!- johlstei__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:55 file200: A) Those don't really matter much from what I can tell, just give them human's if you want to be safe B) Stats are probably going to get a general look over soon anyway. 00:03:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:03:37 species_name() could not use "Radioactive" because it's a bit to modern for DCSS and violates the pattern all the other species have, but that's it. 00:03:53 Oh, and banning Zin worship. 00:05:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:06:11 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:06:26 I'm keeping the && you.species != SP_ bit in potions, because I think otherwise it prevents you from quaffing. 00:06:39 file200: It doesn't. 00:06:46 file200: At least it doesn't anymore :D 00:07:07 file200: Because it's up to Trunk and has half device healing now instead of full lock out. 00:08:19 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:30 Should I make all the whitespace changes one commit? 00:09:35 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:40 -!- frank2368 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:12:07 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:12:11 -!- rast- is now known as rast 00:12:34 -!- sorta-noob has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:16:15 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.15-a0-881-g6f76ed4 (34) 00:20:29 are you around |amethyst ? I have some questions about trying to efficiently roll in some config.py and server.py updates from the crawl repo into the dgamelaunch stuff (trying to get webtiles-changes tested out) 00:20:51 file200: You can or you can't, it doesn't really matter. It matter more for functional changes, like if you remove no device heal. 00:21:05 %git :/retch 00:21:07 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-822-gedb40d3: Remove plague shamblers. 10(3 days ago, 43 files, 34+ 156-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=edb40d360931 00:21:29 file200: I would not make them in one commit though, I would commit whenever I compiled. 00:21:29 anyone worked on trying to rework plague shamblers? 00:21:53 I remember a couple days ago people talking about either making them faster or making the miasma faster 00:21:55 file200: Be baised toward committing, particularly since you're new at this. Commits can be altered later. 00:22:35 I'm really really liking git the more I use it. 00:22:44 I've only had to git reflog once 00:22:47 but man, what a lifesaver 00:23:02 johnstein: Nobody really came up with anything, ellitpic said he would really want a good plan to change them before he could support adding thme back. 00:23:19 I'm just wondering what I could do with my silly potion idea 00:23:21 johnstein: I like git too, if only I remember to use it on my tiny projects like scripts. 00:23:54 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:23:57 seems like it would be bad form to try to add back retch just for this idea. so seems like I would need to edit out that stuff and think of something new 00:24:13 or, try to come up with a good plague shambler idea. 00:24:20 or play Diablo3 or Hearthstone 00:24:33 some of those ideas may be easier to work on than others 00:24:52 johnstein: Yes, the differace between "elegance" and "baggage tying us to bad ideas" is very small. 00:25:38 reaverb: yea, and it doesn't help that I'm not always able to fully understand what most of the devs see as bad ideas. 00:26:15 You've read the design philosphy, I assume. 00:26:29 a while ago. I should probably make a habit of doing that more 00:26:38 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:04 I'm really interested to see how weightless and chunkless work out 00:27:48 I wonder how many people are playing weightless. It's no really a feature you jump for joy over. 00:27:55 Kinda surprised it got an experimental. 00:28:36 I didn't even know it got it either 00:29:08 that reminds me, I should really close down gods and ranged combat 00:29:25 (Note chunkless is so far away from completeion that saying it's nowhere near done would be gross exaggeration) 00:29:44 johnstein: Yeah, cszo actually still has nostalgia. 00:30:02 me too 00:30:09 that seems like a reasonable one to keep long-term 00:30:42 johnstein: Well, it seems like a good thing to banish players to who talk about how we're runing crawl. 00:30:54 I need to chat with dpeg sometime about some of the chunkless stuff. I'm terrified that starvation will be a common thing 00:30:58 I don't think I've heard that particular complaint in the six weeks since it was created. 00:31:07 johnstein: Have you read the crd discussion 00:31:09 yes 00:31:25 johnstein: Look, there's no way starvation will become common. 00:31:26 terrified is an overstatement 00:31:37 We'd disable the food clock before that happened. 00:31:40 seems like the goal is to make hunger matter more 00:31:54 chunks definitely trivializes hunger 00:32:04 esp if you set up your rc file to auto-eat 00:32:16 so I totally get the source of the discussion 00:32:31 johnstein: No, the goal is to make it so you don't have chop up corpses are press "e" all the time. 00:32:41 Or use complex rc file trickery to do the same. 00:33:02 hm. then maybe I did miss part of it 00:33:06 I don't care if food becomes more or less relevant in the process, although I have a mild bias toward making it less relevant' 00:33:39 But the interface thing is like 50x more imporatant than that. 00:33:50 I thought that it was trying to remove the abundance of food available via chunks and increase meat abundance 00:34:01 yea. the goldification sounds interesting 00:34:13 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:20 I can see how not having to worry about chunks in inventory could be a good thing 00:34:33 johnstein: or permafood in the inventory :D 00:34:37 hm 00:34:41 oh 00:35:11 goldification doesn't mean all food is basically in one inv slot? I guess that would have been a more logical way to have read that 00:35:23 hmm 00:36:12 johnstein: Well it can, but you don't have to worry about the fact you have only 2 rations and whether it's worth the annoyance of holding those in one slot so you can hold an extra item. 00:36:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:39 johnstein: Or strave in the Abyss because you accidently dropped all your food. 00:37:03 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:37:47 Ever find out anything about that reaver dobbleganger? 00:37:54 nope 00:38:02 haven't looked into it much 00:38:25 Eh, maybe it was just some person who didn't know me. 00:38:29 !lm reaver cbro 00:38:30 No milestones for reaver (cbro). 00:38:42 There's a Basil on the tavern, even though the dev goes by Sage there. 00:39:03 !lm reaverb cbro 00:39:04 No milestones for reaverb (cbro). 00:39:04 ... I'm sure that's mixed me up repeatedly 00:39:18 !lm reaver 00:39:19 815. [2014-05-16 02:41:19] reaver the Cleaver (L8 DrFi of Qazlal) became a worshipper of Qazlal on turn 6771. (Temple) 00:39:31 rchandra: Ha 00:39:33 !lm reaver s=src 00:39:34 815 milestones for reaver: 791x cszo, 24x cao 00:39:41 !lm reaverb s=src 00:39:41 815 milestones for reaverb: 791x cszo, 24x cao 00:39:49 I have 24 milesontes on cao? 00:39:54 !nick reaver 00:39:55 No nick mapping for reaver. 00:39:57 !nick reaverb 00:39:58 Mapping reaverb => reaver 00:40:15 your doppleganger must be a cao fan 00:40:31 johnstein: Well I'm reaver on all the other servers. 00:40:57 johnstein: and I actually scored those 24 milestones myself, I'm just surprised how many it is. 00:41:20 ah ok 00:41:21 hmm 00:44:42 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:49 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:47:34 so, I removed the gods and ranged combat stuff from cbro a while back by reverting the 3 commits that added them 00:47:44 but then I chickened out and figured I'd leave them around longer 00:47:48 so I reverted the revert 00:47:56 now I really want to remove them 00:48:23 do I revert the revert revert? 00:48:36 that seems borderline silly 00:48:37 johnstein: Sure, I think I did that with clinging. 00:48:42 %git :/cling 00:48:57 07reaver02 {reaverb} * 0.15-a0-644-ga3d40d3: Revert "Revert "Remove player clinging"." 10(3 weeks ago, 17 files, 21+ 107-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3d40d3a14be 00:49:23 Ah, only two reverts. The first thing was a removal thought. 00:49:44 there was a conflict resolution in the revert revert 00:49:47 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:49:50 since I added a couple things in between 00:49:51 johnstein: Also, I'm not 100% what you mean by "revert" for a server. I would have assumed that was an option. 00:50:01 reaverb: those are both my accounts 00:50:12 Basil: Oh, huh. 00:50:39 So you use one for gameplay advice and one for deving? 00:50:41 reaverb: I'm working in the dgamelaunch-config stuff 00:50:46 basically 00:50:59 johnstein: Hmm, not my area of experties. 00:51:01 oh good 00:52:00 Basil: Yes, I'm fine with my orange name apppearing in a "CiP: Please help" thread but I can see why you might want to keep those semi-seperate. 00:52:35 Basil: Do you use the Thyme nick any more? 00:52:40 !nick spicerack 00:52:40 No nick mapping for spicerack. 00:52:45 !nick sage 00:52:46 Mapping sage => basil hypersage sage thyme 00:54:06 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:35 !lg thyme 00:54:38 29. Thyme the Basher (L11 MuCK of Xom), blasted by a yak (exploding inner flame) (hexed by Xom) on Lair:2 on 2013-12-07 22:47:18, with 13532 points after 15452 turns and 0:45:34. 00:54:40 !lg thyme won 00:54:41 1. Thyme the Conqueror (L27 MuCK of Xom), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-01 03:17:56, with 1303708 points after 187455 turns and 10:48:50. 00:54:44 Heh, last year. 00:55:01 Wow MuCK looks like I'll be posting on the Advice thread for a long time. 00:56:49 !next Basil 00:56:58 The RNG decrees that Basil shall win VSHu next. 00:57:48 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:57 next HEIE that gets a slimy rune, I'll make a CiP thread 01:00:30 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:06:48 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:07:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:29 Webtiles server restarted. 01:09:30 How do people here feel about Gozag. 01:09:59 gozag is really cool. he takes gold and food, two resources that are irrelevant in most games past the early-game, and makes them both really matter. 01:10:03 hmm 01:10:04 he might be kind of weak? not sure. 01:10:07 hogs in the lair kennel 01:10:10 but he's really cool from a design perspective. 01:10:11 reaverb: I'm feeling pretty good about him. 01:10:16 I won a KoNe with him. 01:10:23 I thought Ko of Gozag would have serious problems 01:10:28 But 4 potions of blood is pretty decent 01:10:37 I was flat out of food and money at the end though 01:10:40 I won with no way to eat 01:11:03 Ha, how often did you use Call Merchant and Bribe branch? 01:11:11 reaverb: Once each, I think. 01:11:26 How did Bribe Branch make you act? 01:11:32 or affect your game. 01:11:36 There were many naturally-generated shops I spent money in though. 01:12:12 Hang on I'm calling up my log 01:12:14 ??bribe 01:12:14 I don't have a page labeled bribe in my learndb. 01:12:19 ??bribe branch 01:12:19 I don't have a page labeled bribe_branch in my learndb. 01:12:48 -!- file200 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:51 johnstein: Pay money, some hostiles in a branch become neutral or mecs. 01:13:01 Yeah so I used it once 01:13:04 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 01:13:05 I think in Elf:3 01:13:08 Roarke: What about the item duplicaition? 01:13:20 huh, I forgot item duplication was a thing 01:13:29 Roarke: Heh, you do know it works best if you use it before you enter the level, correct? 01:13:42 Which is why you can use it on the branch stair. 01:13:58 reaverb: I didn't, no. 01:14:05 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:12 I didn't really have any idea of the specifics of how it worked 01:14:14 Roarke: Should of dup'd a ration for food. 01:14:18 It certainly affected my game a bit. 01:14:35 reaverb: I duped an early potion of experience, which was all well and joyous until I found a +5,+7 slaying ring some time later 01:14:52 hah 01:14:55 Raorke: Wow, XP dup'd that' great. 01:15:22 Hmm, just realized the "no I didn't" was referring to the bribe branch comment. 01:15:55 Yeah I haven't the slightest of how to use it effectively 01:16:09 Certainly some things became peaceful and were killed later by their brethren 01:16:13 Oh I used it in Orc:4 01:16:14 Not Elf 01:16:18 I don't think I even went to Elf 01:16:27 Raorke: Hmm. 01:16:41 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:17:00 But yeah the overwhelming majority of my gold went to feeding myself and buying items 01:17:23 Roarke: What kind of things did the vast excess of items make you do? 01:17:43 Win. 01:17:49 Survive 01:17:57 Equip a mercenary tengu, who leveled to a reaver before dying. 01:18:03 rip 01:18:10 I don't mind that he died 01:18:18 I made a MfNe^Fedhas later 01:18:22 Who had a greater naga 01:18:25 Yroit 01:18:30 At the end of the game 01:18:38 As in Tactics. Did you feel freeer to attack things because you had a lot more ?blinking, for instance. 01:18:39 He solo'd an orb of fire so that I could escape Zot:5 with the orb 01:19:08 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:19:14 reaverb: I was less inclined to run away from difficult fights knowing that I could Petition Potion and reasonably expect something useful like Might/Haste 01:19:24 might/haste/decay 01:19:27 Roarke: Hmm. 01:19:33 Yeah, I got decay a couple of times 01:19:41 agil/resistance/degeneration 01:19:42 But it never takes off so much you can't heal it back 01:19:52 sure. 01:20:04 And it lowers the price of the petition 01:20:14 Since at the end of the game I didn't have enough money left to even petition for blood 01:20:18 Anything that lowers the price is good 01:20:21 It's a trade-off 01:20:49 Obviously not lignification though, because that kills you 01:20:58 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:23:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:58 wow. using git format-patch improperly results in a LOT of files :/ 01:26:42 %git /naga 01:26:42 Could not find commit /naga (git returned 128) 01:28:05 reaverb: consumables are rarely in all that short supply even in a non-gozag game 01:28:14 I'll almost always have more scrolls burned & potions shattered than actually used 01:28:21 and I think I use consumables more than most people? idk 01:28:27 PleasingFungus: Heh, that means you're not using them enough :D 01:28:33 sure 01:28:49 Really very few people stretch conumables to their full capacity (I don't) 01:29:06 so gozag doesn't really have any impact there that I've noticed 01:29:25 his shops are more about getting armour/weapons/jewellery 01:29:37 or food. since food actually matters, with gozag 01:34:01 this is really confounding me. I want to roll in two commits from ./webserver/config.py from the crawl repo into my config.py from my dgamelaunch-config repo 01:34:10 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:34:53 -!- Assbag has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35:05 the webtiles-changes branch is based on the latest config.py in the crawl repo. mine is based on |amethyst's dgamelaunch-config and the handful of patches he's give me 01:35:22 %git /demonspawn 01:35:23 Could not find commit /demonspawn (git returned 128) 01:35:29 ??git 01:35:30 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 01:35:49 I think I need to cherry-pick the commits from the crawl repo to the dgamelaunch one. but the config.py files don't have the same path. 01:36:07 "Replace spriggan rider mercenaries with base demonspawn (Roarke)." 01:36:12 I have a question about this commit 01:36:22 Or whatever it's called 01:36:25 Patch, update 01:36:35 %git :/oarke 01:36:43 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-877-g2926600: Replace spriggan rider mercenaries with base demonspawn (Roarke). 10(13 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29266000b18b 01:36:44 Ah, okay, :/ is how you search 01:36:48 -!- thedefinite has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 01:37:02 By "base demonspawn" 01:37:04 Does it mean 01:37:07 demonspawn (076) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-46 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(24) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 195 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:37:07 %??demonspawn 01:37:11 Or something like 01:37:15 gelid demonspawn (026) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-71 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 714 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:37:15 %??gelid demonspawn 01:38:41 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38:49 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:39:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40:15 base means without any fancy parts i think 01:40:21 oh, hrm 01:40:37 base draconian can have color but no job 01:40:42 i think 01:40:46 Precisely 01:40:53 Base Dr isn't necessarily uncolored 01:40:55 Just classless 01:41:21 well, all draconians are classless. don't even know which fork to use with which course! 01:41:34 dang, rude 01:41:35 Until they turn into knights 01:41:42 Which comes with basic chivalry installed 01:41:46 Or monks 01:41:49 Monks have decorum 01:41:57 some of them are just alcoholics though 01:42:03 Annihilators are on a liquid diet, yeah. 01:42:26 I mean how do you think the red ones got so flushed 01:42:35 explains the firebreathing, too. 01:42:58 In the comment wheals notes he can't give them a level up path like draconians until he knows how Ds ally mutations would interact with players 01:43:34 Is there anything I can do to help with that? All I did before suggesting replace sprigrider with Ds was see if the Ds warmongers etc. were on par with some other mercenaries 01:43:58 Like tengu reavers, DE blademasters, etc. 01:44:18 A DS Warmonger buddy would be Quite Strong, I'd think. 01:44:32 Quite Strong is an understatement 01:44:38 They are kind of way too powerful as they are 01:44:43 As allies, at any rate. 01:44:55 They consistently won about 8-2 versus tengu reavers and greater nagas 01:45:05 In !fight 01:45:10 DE Blademasters held their own 01:45:16 So did draconian knights and monks 01:45:32 (These are hypothetical grown mercenaries already existing 01:46:19 gelid warmonger (116) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 84-139 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 40 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1585 | Sp: melee, sap magic, grand avatar | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:46:19 %??gelid warmonger 01:46:32 wow 01:46:35 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 67-109 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1422 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 01:46:35 %??stone giant 01:46:36 Dam:40 is a little too strong 01:46:43 Especially considering grand avatar 01:46:53 so, it sounds like you agree with wheals, then 01:46:56 Like I said, they generally kicked ass 01:47:17 I agree that Ds with classes need to be examined first, yes. 01:47:31 Warmongers are the strongest by far, though. 01:47:38 They're the only ones I'd say should be outright excluded. 01:47:42 And corrupters 01:47:48 Since they do a bunch of weird summons 01:47:58 And it's not appropriately thematic for a mercenary 01:48:00 black suns are the ones I'd honestly be most worried about 01:48:06 Yeah 01:48:08 mmm 01:48:12 If their buff helps the player too much 01:48:13 Beneficial black mark 01:48:23 wait, I think that's only 20% effective for the player 01:48:23 If Black Mark doesn't aid the player though 01:48:31 Then they're just casters with b.drain 01:48:37 And are reasonably strong 01:48:41 So I'd say that's fine 01:48:57 Chaos champions also seem like they'd be fun to fight alongside 01:49:06 Not terribly overpowered unless you got lucky 01:49:30 monstrous blood saint (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 141-160 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 15, 15, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2190 | Sp: legendary destruction (42d1), ephemeral infusion | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:49:30 %??monstrous blood saint 01:50:00 There's also the question of allowing/disallowing certain demonspawn "types" or whatever you're calling the mutation set. 01:50:12 Monstrous demonspawn are far and away the strongest 01:50:21 Their HP is huge and they have aux attacks, etc. 01:50:34 I think a monstrous black sun swept Jory 10-0 01:50:44 While Jory swept a putrid black sun 10-0 01:51:17 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:51:29 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:51:51 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:51:58 -!- Fizybubbleh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:01 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:10 hey is there any dev online? 01:52:22 please do not rely on !fight too much for relevance to actual gameplay 01:52:40 I have a bug i would like to know if they are aware off 01:52:49 search mantis & put it on there if it's not? 01:53:02 i put the error in mantis 01:53:05 it didnt come up 01:53:08 cool 01:53:09 what's the error? 01:53:11 il post it there 01:53:12 Lua error: /crawl-master/crawl-git-29266000b1/data/dat/des/altar/overflow.des:3168: Bad NSUBST spec: B : w_generic_3:B / *:x (Illegal spec: w_generic_3:B) (25x) 01:53:12 PleasingFungus, yeah, I know that no matter how many 1v1 matchups I test it's not really a good indicator. 01:53:21 ah, yep, I know that one 01:53:23 it's 01:53:38 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 01:53:58 or rather, it's the result of the attempted fix of that 01:54:11 alas for grunt. alas for his broken temples 01:54:12 should I post anything? 01:54:15 like game fiels etc 01:54:21 Thing is , it isnt temple 01:54:23 I alrdy saw temple 01:54:32 it's an overflow vault, yes 01:54:47 but it looks very strongly like the same error 01:54:49 I just went downstairs on d:8 01:55:08 i see an ant, crimson imp and stone wall 01:55:11 idk. I could be wrong, but I'd start by putting that error in a comment on the ticket I linked, along with the version # of your game (should be in the top-right of the main menu iirc) 01:55:23 if I'm wrong, someone can move that to an issue of its own 01:58:20 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:59:06 PleasingFungus: i cant see my version 01:59:34 oh 01:59:36 hit ? V 02:00:26 Fizybubbleh: that version predates the fix. 02:00:36 oh it does list the version in the error 02:00:38 I'm blind 02:00:38 This is Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.15-a0-877-g2926600 02:00:40 Your error had the version in it. 02:00:44 ah ok 02:00:49 %git HEAD^^ 02:00:49 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-879-g7a8794f: Some experimental variability in layout_big_octagon. 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 73+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a8794f3d948 02:00:51 ^ 02:00:51 but i transfered it 02:00:54 er 02:00:57 %git HEAD^^^ 02:00:57 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-878-gef448c7: Whitespace fix. 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef448c75361e 02:00:59 to newest version 02:01:02 %git HEAD^ 02:01:02 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-880-g8b714b4: Some adjustments to Snake layout_concentric_octagons. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b714b41217f 02:01:04 %git HEAD 02:01:04 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-881-g6f76ed4: Deduplicate a vault Lua function name (possibly #8562). 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f76ed47457d 02:01:05 Fizybubbleh: your server hasn't updated yet, presumably 02:01:07 oh 02:01:21 it made me update just when i started 30 mins ago 02:01:37 !locate Fizybubbleh 02:01:37 im pretty sure i died aswell 02:01:38 Fizybubbleh was last seen on CLAN (Fizybubbleh, L9 GrMo of Cheibriados). 02:02:07 reaverb When you go Gozag, all corpses turn into gold. This includes dragons and trolls, so you cannot come by hides "naturally." 02:02:11 Was this intended? 02:02:20 Oh he's gone. 02:02:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:02:42 why would you ask him that, though? he's neither designer nor implementer 02:02:45 Grunt: should I keep playing and just ignore it or would u like any more info 02:03:18 PleasingFungus: He was the one asking general questions about Gozag when I joined the channel. 02:03:25 sounds like a natural consequence to me 02:03:26 yeah idk why he was doing that 02:03:31 trying to be helpful, I guess 02:03:46 new devs are scary 02:03:51 terrifying! 02:03:57 I thought it was an interesting complication when I played 02:04:09 It removes some options but then you can create armour shops 02:04:12 you could ask grunt if you'd like, since he coded gozag (though dpeg was the original designer) 02:04:13 So it's all good 02:04:18 it's also a consequence of using Zonguldrok 02:04:47 You can unwield Zonguldrok with little consequence though 02:05:00 Gozag probably doesn't take too kindly to it 02:05:15 does zonguldrok + gozag make zombies or gold? 02:05:24 Gold zombies 02:05:30 Also I had the opportunity to find out 02:05:38 I found Zonguldrok on the KoNe^Gozag I won 02:05:42 But I didn't feel like using it 02:07:35 I'll wizmode it. for a while I kept saying !ls in irc, now I say lg or lm in bash :( 02:08:25 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12:15 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:15:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140514030203]] 02:17:23 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-881-g6f76ed4 (34) 02:21:15 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:13 -!- Ahrin has quit [] 02:34:38 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:35:48 -!- dwarj has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:36:41 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 03:04:07 for the record, gozag suppresses both Zonguldrok kills and non-Zonguldrok kills (no zombies in either case) 03:04:55 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:07:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13:38 -!- Makrond has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:15:18 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 03:28:52 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:29:14 -!- lanbox has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:41 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:35:06 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:38:34 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:39:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:14 -!- FourHTwoA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:14 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:50:33 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:50:37 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:56:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58:41 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:02:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 04:04:48 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:08:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:11:33 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:48 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:07 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:26:28 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:32:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:05 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:25 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:57 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:17 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:23 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:43:52 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:36 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:48 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:16 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 05:11:19 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:12:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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MarvinPA, XL27 NaEE, T:855372 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/MarvinPA/crash-MarvinPA-20140517-131040.txt 08:16:07 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:16:44 <|amethyst> %git 6bbddb8b 08:17:10 07qoala02 {reaverb} * 0.15-a0-708-g6bbddb8: Recalculate cache of equipped unrands with world_reacts on save load 10(8 days ago, 8 files, 32+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6bbddb8b84b0 08:17:10 <|amethyst> related? 08:19:08 hm, i think it's crashing while unmarshalling an artefact in my stash? which would explain the lair:2 bit 08:19:14 so i'm not sure if it's related to that 08:19:26 <|amethyst> yeah, I think you're right 08:19:27 since it's not an equipped unrand 08:19:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:40 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:43 <|amethyst> I don't see any recent changed to tags.cc that look relevant 08:19:47 <|amethyst> s/ged/ges/ 08:22:34 cdo hadn't updated for a little while, so it was transferred from a relatively old build i think 08:23:55 %git 953de00 08:23:55 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-133-g953de00: Remove hammers (ChrisOelmueller). 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=953de009a2c4 08:25:13 -!- notcluie is now known as notbcadren 08:25:58 -!- notbcadren is now known as notcluie 08:30:37 -!- Eonwe7 is now known as Eonwe1 08:39:35 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:44 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:59 <|amethyst> mumra! 08:48:45 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:53:10 hey! 08:55:39 <|amethyst> mumra: have you seen the discussion on layouts? 08:55:50 <|amethyst> mumra: I suspect that's what brings you here 08:56:15 hmm i just backed up my save and it loaded locally in debug mode without crashing so now i'm triply confused 08:56:44 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: even if you look at lair:2 (with X or ctrl-f or whatever)? 08:57:11