00:00:21 <|amethyst> rwork requested it so that e wouldn't be annoyed by swap prompts when he had one really good ring 00:00:24 <|amethyst> s/he/e/ 00:02:09 yeah I've swapped the wrong ring more than once, sounds good. and when you do want the =R off you can still remove it first with P, right? 00:05:46 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:55 <|amethyst> with R, yes 00:07:02 <|amethyst> or you can remove the inscription 00:07:20 <|amethyst> R then P is slower than swapping though :( 00:07:24 er, with P and equip_unequip :) thanks 00:07:35 it is? that's ungood 00:08:02 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-799-g736f644 (34) 00:09:12 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:11:15 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:11:38 <|amethyst> not sure what can be done about that 00:13:30 <|amethyst> oh, I'm wrong I think 00:13:35 with weapons, a to b is 0.5, a to - is 0.3, but - to b is also 0.5 so the same problem is there 00:14:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:14:35 <|amethyst> looks like rings are actuall fine there: 0.5 to remove or to put on, 1.0 to swap 00:14:42 <|amethyst> I had thought it was 0.5 to swap 00:14:51 -!- Xen has quit [Client Quit] 00:17:59 should equipping a weapon with nothing on be 0.2 or would that break something? 00:21:32 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:21:49 <|amethyst> wouldn't break anything, but might be too much of a benefit to the player 00:22:11 <|amethyst> and making it easy to have turns that short could be problematic (but then you can just swing with a quick blade, so...) 00:23:02 you can only do it if unarmed or previously taking a 0.3, though. alternately make swapping 1.0 and unequipping also 0.5 :) 00:23:25 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:43 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:24:01 <|amethyst> makes bows better for unarmed chars than for others 00:24:59 <|amethyst> I don't see a good reason the times should have to add up for weapons 00:25:06 -!- Woody is now known as Guest56232 00:25:38 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:26:52 <|amethyst> If they do add up, one could argue that it would be optimal to do w-wb instead of just wb 00:27:04 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:22 <|amethyst> I guess that's optimal for rings now 00:27:23 oh good point. since the ring inscription actually works, consider my point dropped :) 00:35:42 -!- bones__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:00 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:03 -!- nicolae- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:37:16 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 00:38:29 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:38:40 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:40:43 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:41:19 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:40 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:45 -!- Guest56232 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:44:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:44:41 03reaverb02 07* 0.15-a0-800-g7b41838: Credit myself as reaverb rather than reaver on vaults 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b41838de5b6 00:45:40 <|amethyst> mensreaverbalkinte 00:46:45 |amethyst: ? 00:48:13 <|amethyst> speculating on alternative-universe origins of your nick 00:49:14 <|amethyst> mens rea ("guilty mind", one of the legal components of a criminal offense) + Verbal Kint (Kevin Spacey's character in _The Usual Suspects_ 00:49:23 <|amethyst> the 'e' was a typo 00:50:31 !tell wheals For the record, I blame you for my statue rework - you removed my first ever vault <_< 00:50:31 Grunt: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:50:49 !tell wheals (which is back now ofc) 00:50:49 Grunt: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:51:37 |amethyst: That's a pretty obsurce combo to come up with on the fly. 00:52:19 Well, neither of those is very obsurce on it's own, but that seems like some kind of word puzzle. 00:53:42 reaverb: ask |amethyst about sporulating 00:53:48 he's good with obscure things 00:54:08 also rip sporulate vault 00:54:11 !seen tenofswords 00:54:11 I last saw tenofswords at Tue Apr 15 21:10:42 2014 UTC (3w 6d 8h 43m 29s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 00:54:25 I guess I could re-add it and se if *that* will summon him 00:54:37 gammafunk: He was summoned, he just used a differant nick. 00:54:51 *another* hangedman nick?! 00:54:55 what is it this time 00:54:59 <|amethyst> !seen hangedman 00:55:00 I last saw hangedman at Sat May 10 12:44:57 2014 UTC (2d 17h 10m 2s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 00:55:05 oh ok 00:55:16 Oh, well he started as a differant nick. 00:55:28 !nick hangedman 00:55:28 No nick mapping for hangedman. 00:55:35 And hilarious dpeg kicked him by mistake. 00:55:38 he has...a lot 00:55:40 huh. shummie's rc checks food.rotting(item) against corpses, but the definition of that in l_food only checks chunks 00:55:42 s/our/ously/ 00:57:18 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:57:57 <|amethyst> qoala: but that wouldn't be the cause of the problem because it just returns a false negative for corpses 00:58:09 !send subvaults gammafunk 00:58:10 Sending gammafunk to subvaults. 00:58:53 yeah. I'm currently looking around for possible accidental assignments, because the rotting elephant corpse mysteriously seemed to have a base_type of 32 > NUM_OBJ_CLASSES. 00:58:57 oh, yeah, subvaults of shoals, I should get on those 00:59:15 <|amethyst> qoala: Yeah, I'm thinking that's corrupted somehow 00:59:22 it is after all my favorite of the 4 water/poison lair branches 00:59:23 (fr: subvaults branch - enter from V:$, comprised of V:$ enemy sets) 00:59:53 hm, I should find that old Shoals:$ vault of mine. 00:59:55 Do you have plans to make a multisprint? 01:00:03 I do! 01:00:07 microcrawl 01:00:10 sweet, as they say 01:00:46 I have to finish up weightless before I do tomb subvaults, but I haven't forgotten (about procrastinating) 01:00:47 μcrawl if you will :) 01:01:03 I will play-test micro-crawl for sure 01:01:23 ??gammafunk[3 01:01:23 gammafunk[3/5]: todo: splash art of a felid jumping over a shark to escape from grunt's qbert snake 01:01:49 !learn edit gammafunk[3 s/$/, tomb subvaults any day now/ 01:01:50 gammafunk[3/5]: todo: splash art of a felid jumping over a shark to escape from grunt's qbert snake, tomb subvaults any day now 01:02:00 <|amethyst> qoala: in particular, it must have been < NUM_OBJECT_CLASSES for _is_option_autopickup to even get that far 01:02:06 right 01:02:33 <|amethyst> qoala: but if clua actually changed the item, that's quite bad 01:02:45 So what's the item_wrapper struct? 01:03:01 Still trying to get a sense of what form the item is in when it's travelling through clua 01:03:38 and item_wrapper appears to contain a non-const item, but I'm not sure if it's been copied or if item_wrapper is still a step removed from clua's access 01:04:06 <|amethyst> it's just pointers 01:04:38 <|amethyst> see _lua_push_inv_items 01:05:21 <|amethyst> (there is a case where it could be a copy of an item, if we're looking at the stash: see l_item_get_items_at) 01:09:04 -!- Assbag has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:52 so why does clua_push_item (push the actual item, not a copy) ever get used? I see it in lua_push_floor_items among other places? 01:10:03 possibly needed to inscribe from lua? 01:10:15 -!- _miek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:43 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:36 Does lua perform any type checking on items pushed/popped from the stack? 01:15:53 <|amethyst> I don't know that 01:16:19 <|amethyst> as for why to push the actual item: it's faster 01:16:21 <|amethyst> err 01:16:30 <|amethyst> s/the actual/a pointer to the actual/ 01:16:39 right. 01:17:31 <|amethyst> it looks like every time those functions do anything to modify the object they end up passing item->index() or item->link anyway 01:17:36 -!- mfw56 is now known as _miek 01:17:52 <|amethyst> but I may be missing one 01:18:40 <|amethyst> I guess also so that, if something else modifies the object, the Lua object sees that 01:18:48 true 01:18:58 <|amethyst> OTOH, it means that if you pickup/drop the item, the Lua object is dangling 01:19:14 <|amethyst> since it's pointing into the inventory array, which becomes something else 01:19:33 <|amethyst> usually that isn't an issue because you're not supposed to cache a Lua item from one turn to the next 01:20:19 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:20:38 <|amethyst> but I guess if that status changes in the middle of an action 01:20:43 <|amethyst> that could be what's happening here 01:21:27 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:21:57 Where are dungeon items in memory? I know the player has an array 01:22:26 <|amethyst> qoala: env.item, usually referred to as mitm 01:22:42 <|amethyst> an array like the player-inventory array 01:22:44 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:20 So it's still a fixed array of in-place items. I wouldn't expect the memory location to be corrupted with garbage, even if the actual item has moved to a different array 01:23:34 because no other types of data should be written there 01:23:37 <|amethyst> yeah, 32 is a bit strange 01:24:07 <|amethyst> I would expect OBJ_UNASSIGNED == 100 instead 01:24:11 right 01:25:46 -!- Basil has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 01:27:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:29:24 umm... are the definitions in dat/dlua supposed to be dlua only? 01:31:01 -!- Moonsilence has quit [] 01:31:38 I feel like the iterators in dat/dlua/iter.lua would be safe to use anywhere (they are used in the rc file), but that folder makes me concerned 01:32:05 <|amethyst> util, iter, tags, and init are used by both 01:32:32 <|amethyst> (and dlua/userbase.lua is used by clua only) 01:33:29 ah. I never got around to learning the lua interface last year, so I'm starting fresh exploring this stuff :P 01:33:34 <|amethyst> see CLua::init_lua (despite the name, class CLua is used for both dlua and clua) 01:34:20 <|amethyst> !learn add goodcode extern CLua dlua; 01:34:20 goodcode[10/10]: extern CLua dlua; 01:35:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:40:54 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:42 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:13 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:14 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:39 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:00 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:45 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:35 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:01:38 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:05:03 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:37 Okay, with the rc file and an ASSERT in items.cc that base_type didn't change failed 02:08:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:08:12 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 02:08:38 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:59 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 02:10:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140512030202]] 02:10:57 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:17:12 -!- RZX has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:06 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-800-g7b41838 (34) 02:19:42 wait, maybe not 02:19:46 not sure what that was 02:19:50 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:29:21 -!- Red_Bucket has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:33 Does transmutation school need more form spells? 02:32:30 this is weird. I can set a DUR_ but I can't decrement it 02:34:59 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:52 Why do diamond obelisks have the ability to use items and doors 02:37:43 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:38:10 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 02:38:50 -!- FourHTwoA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:40:46 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:51 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:24 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:44:13 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:44:19 -!- partyhat has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:19 -!- partyhat has quit [Client Quit] 02:44:32 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:45:17 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:46:06 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:49:32 -!- partyhat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50:58 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:51:43 New unrand idea: Spelljammer. Extra-antimagical weapon that also does bonus damage against things animated with magic(non-living and undead) 02:52:41 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:01 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:55:23 is there an easy way for me to see, during a game, which portal vaults i have visited yet? 02:55:40 and maybe what levels they show up in 02:56:29 ??dungeon overview 02:56:30 I don't have a page labeled dungeon_overview in my learndb. 02:56:34 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 02:56:48 rast: Also, more of a ##crawl question. 02:57:08 oh, i assumed this doesnt exist already 02:57:14 i was kinda asking for it as a feature 02:57:46 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:58:14 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:23 rast: I guess the char dump might have it? 03:04:36 gammafunk yeah but thats outside the game 03:05:00 it would be nice if a lot of that kind of information was available on ingame screens 03:05:08 I guess it could get an annotation on ctrl-o, or something 03:05:08 rast: Well it's still online. Just press # and follow the link. 03:05:33 Also there are a ton of obscure player information commands, try press ? and maybe you'll stubble upon a portal one. 03:05:38 another thing that would be nice is the ability to see base stats 03:05:41 hmm ok 03:06:13 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:48 reaverb: what do you think about putting a summary of the new nemelex changes in ??new_nemelex 03:08:51 ??weightless 03:08:51 weightless[1/1]: An experimental branch on cszo where all items aside from large rocks cause no burden for the player; likely will be modified so that you can carry a fixed number of rocks based on str, with all burden states being removed. 03:09:02 is what I'm doing, although my branch might be shorter-lived than yours 03:09:25 or you could make a dev wiki page, and link to that in the learndb entry 03:09:33 might be more convenient 03:09:47 gammafunk: Or I could just link to the commit log. 03:09:49 :D 03:09:58 I think I'll just write a summary. 03:09:59 yes, but that's kind of hard for play-testers :p 03:10:11 ..those who are not N78291 at least 03:10:25 it is a pain to keep summaries like that up to date for a changing branch, though 03:10:35 so I understand the reticence 03:12:42 We still kind of need some kind of splash page for experimental branches 03:12:55 just a window showing test at turn 0 would be fine 03:13:10 maybe I'll make some kind of option after discussing with |amethyst 03:13:32 !learn add new_nemelex Exploration piety for Nemelex, a lot of new cool cards implemented and old lame ones removed, Nemelex only gifts one deck type (War), which has basically all the cards he could gift in any deck before, and Peek at Two shows you the top card but can't be used with other Nemelex abiltiies. 03:13:32 new nemelex[1/1]: Exploration piety for Nemelex, a lot of new cool cards implemented and old lame ones removed, Nemelex only gifts one deck type (War), which has basically all the cards he could gift in any deck before, and Peek at Two shows you the top card but can't be used with other Nemelex abiltiies. 03:13:34 s/showing test/showing text/ 03:13:58 gammafunk: Well there's already the update save prompt. 03:14:10 update save prompt? 03:14:14 oh you mean as an example 03:14:17 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:17 of how to do it 03:14:21 yeah, this would also need 03:14:23 By the way, are there any negative effects to merging master into experimentals? 03:14:29 some kind of command-line option or something 03:14:30 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 03:14:37 no not really 03:14:37 Or does that all get wiped on load? 03:14:43 or at least not to my knowledge 03:14:55 I mean generally you want to do that for a decent reason, I guess 03:15:01 but if you do have a reason 03:15:23 gammafunk: Well I don't have one except "there might be a conflict and might as well handle it now." 03:15:33 and that reason can just be, so we don't have tons of merge conflicts to resolve later, if it's not been updated in a while, yeah 03:15:47 but how long a while is, is ultimately up to you 03:15:58 I generally just merge master with any new batch of commits 03:16:03 but don't merge master by itself 03:16:08 gammafunk: Well it's not like we can't test how many merge conflicts there are. 03:16:20 I doubt there are any right now. 03:16:35 yeah of course; I'm only saying that the longer you wait, the more there are 03:16:50 more there are *all at once* I should say 03:17:31 but the experimentals auto-rebuild and you can rebuild them, so there's no reason why you can't just make commits 03:17:39 (including merge master) 03:18:01 when the branch is finally merged into master, I imagine all of those commits don'tshow up... 03:18:07 those merge commits I mean 03:18:20 so I think there's just one final merge commit in trunk when it's merged into master 03:18:30 but I might be wrong about that 03:18:41 gammafunk: the final merge commit thing was my major worry on "negative effects" 03:18:57 oh no, it won't break or stop the merge or anything 03:19:46 Any way, there are no conflicts right now so I don't really see a reason to merge and bump the experimental commits from the top. 03:20:21 %git :/merge 03:20:31 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-449-g41b37af: Remove some accidentally left-in git merge indicators (plaidman, #8505). 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41b37af680d5 03:20:39 huh 03:21:07 gammafunk: It's really impressive that happened since you have to git add conflict files before commiting. 03:21:24 reaverb: it's easy to have happen though! 03:21:31 without a proper commit hook 03:21:40 because you can get multiple conflicts within a file 03:21:50 (in other words I've done it) 03:21:55 (but on a local branch) 03:22:06 gammafunk: Heh, yes I guess if there are multiple conflicts. 03:22:24 for some reason that perl script pre-commit hook, which has code to check for those, doesn't seem to be catching them 03:22:29 so I need to figure out why 03:22:48 gammafunk: Which script are you talking about? 03:23:04 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 03:23:14 !learn e new_nemelex s/Exploration piety for Nemelex/Old scummy Nem piety like decks use or item sarcrafice is gone, instead Nemelex gives piety for Exploration/ 03:23:14 ERROR: New text exceeds the maximum length of 350 03:23:19 the script is crawl-ref/git-hooks/pre-commit 03:23:37 it's handy, since it warns you before the commit 03:23:52 or rather, it errors out upon commit 03:23:59 if it finds e.g. whitespace and such 03:24:03 and only for things you have changed 03:24:31 I'm putting that into a perl script and will call it; still need to get you that bashified pre-commit hook 03:24:50 but i'll send that tomorrow 03:25:00 gammafunk: Hmm 03:25:22 %git ac67f985da62d8475ff3e675804ed88b9b60e8e6 03:25:22 07gammafunk02 * 0.15-a0-769-gac67f98: Merge branch 'master' into weightless 10(25 hours ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac67f985da62 03:25:31 yeah I've already done a merge 03:27:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:39 !learn s new_nemelex[1] Major changes: Old scummy Nem piety like decks use or item sarcrafice is gone, instead Nemelex gives piety for Exploration. Plenty of new cards have been created (Have you ever wanted a player illusion on your side? What about Damage Shaving on a non-DD?) and old lame ones have been removed. Nemelex only gifts one deck type, War, which contains most of the cards he could gift before. 03:27:40 new nemelex[1/1]: Major changes: Old scummy Nem piety like decks use or item sarcrafice is gone, instead Nemelex gives piety for Exploration. Plenty of new cards have been created (Have you ever wanted a player illusion on your side? What about Damage Shaving on a non-DD?) and old lame ones have been removed. Nemelex only gifts one deck type, War, which contains most of the cards he could gift bef... 03:28:06 haha, you can make new_nemelex[2] 03:28:42 player illusion sounds pretty op, I see nem will not lose his classic style there 03:29:08 !learn s new_nemelex[2] Also Peek at Two has been changed. You see the top cards of the deck (So you'll know what the top card is afterward) but you can't use it with other Nemelex abilities. 03:29:09 new nemelex[2/2]: Also Peek at Two has been changed. You see the top cards of the deck (So you'll know what the top card is afterward) but you can't use it with other Nemelex abilities. 03:29:27 !learn edit new_nemelex[1] s/sarcrafice/sacrifice/ 03:29:28 ERROR: New text exceeds the maximum length of 350 03:29:34 huh 03:29:35 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:45 ??new_nemelex 03:29:46 new nemelex[1/2]: Major changes: Old scummy Nem piety like decks use or item sarcrafice is gone, instead Nemelex gives piety for Exploration. Plenty of new cards have been created (Have you ever wanted a player illusion on your side? What about Damage Shaving on a non-DD?) and old lame ones have been removed. Nemelex only gifts one deck type, War, which contains most of the cards he could gift bef... 03:29:48 oh 03:29:57 yeah looks like you still need to trim it 03:29:57 gammafunk: Oh wow, cut off. 03:30:12 !learn edit new_nemelex s/Nemelex only gifts one deck type, War, which contains most of the cards he could gift bef// 03:30:12 Use: !learn edit new_nemelex[NUM] s/// 03:30:21 !learn edit new_nemelex[1] s/Nemelex only gifts one deck type, War, which contains most of the cards he could gift bef// 03:30:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:21 new nemelex[1/2]: Major changes: Old scummy Nem piety like decks use or item sarcrafice is gone, instead Nemelex gives piety for Exploration. Plenty of new cards have been created (Have you ever wanted a player illusion on your side? What about Damage Shaving on a non-DD?) and old lame ones have been removed. ore. 03:30:34 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:36 !learn edit new_nemelex[1] s/ ore.// 03:30:36 new nemelex[1/2]: Major changes: Old scummy Nem piety like decks use or item sarcrafice is gone, instead Nemelex gives piety for Exploration. Plenty of new cards have been created (Have you ever wanted a player illusion on your side? What about Damage Shaving on a non-DD?) and old lame ones have been removed. 03:31:11 !learn add new_nemelex[2] Nemelex only gifts one deck type, War, which contains most of the cards he could gift before. 03:31:11 new nemelex[2/3]: Nemelex only gifts one deck type, War, which contains most of the cards he could gift before. 03:31:16 I'd almost suggest a wiki page, but hey learndb is fun anyways 03:31:16 I'm modifying the 0.15 plan and will mention it at least 03:31:48 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32:01 gammafunk: I don't see much point in a wiki page, except maybe for feedback. 03:32:16 Since there aren't really any design questions left. 03:32:28 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:32:30 yeah, it's handy when people are still hashing out a lot of details 03:32:44 and you need a permanent place for the discussions/details 03:33:18 but for the plan, it's sort of our big todo list; for that the wiki is handy 03:33:41 gamafunk: Given how well you suggesting deicide has worked out, we should do this more often. 03:34:02 Pending removal seems to really bring out reform effort. 03:34:14 next time I shall account for N718291 and I will be victorious 03:34:40 Is that purposely avoiding pinging him? 03:35:12 That reminds me, I had a new card idea but it's kind of silly 03:35:24 gammafunk: Hmm, why have you locked the dev planning page? Did somebody vandalize it? 03:35:31 Incandescence: produces corona, inner flame, and sticky flame 03:35:31 I'm editing it :) 03:35:40 and no, I just munged his numbers 03:35:43 gammafunk: Oh, hmm. 03:36:00 Red_Bucket: Not really interesting, look at the new effects to see the quality standard. 03:37:11 Red_Bucket: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=a36fae674f5794587d91b62ba09fcfe64506d66d Top few of those commits are new cards/basically new revamps. 03:39:57 gammafunk: Tell me when you're don editting so I can add new nemelex 03:40:08 -!- absolutego has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:40:16 ok, I have a line for that, but I'll just not add it and let you do it 03:40:39 well I'll leave the entry for you, but blak 03:40:42 *blank 03:41:09 gammafunk: Basically it's "New nemelex, experimental, N78291 coded, reaverb is responsible for ensuring code quality and etc." 03:43:15 -!- Orfax has quit [] 03:46:42 reaverb: ok, feel free to edit my minimal entry about that (under "Under Consideration" since it's not in trunk yet) 03:46:56 Under Consideration -> Gods I should say 03:47:22 Hmm, should I mention N78291's acid patch too? 03:48:43 oh, the temporary corrosion 03:48:54 Yeah not a bad idea, since that's a big change 03:49:22 not sure if anyone has weighed in on it yet 03:49:55 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:50:01 gammafunk: Hmm, melee item destruction, acid, chunk eating, - Labs is only thing left on the "major Crawl annoyances" list. 03:50:20 uh oh 03:50:42 you'd have to make a lab that's a better lab I think 03:50:44 no easy task 03:51:51 gammafunk: or a differant design that has the good parts of Labs but not the bad parts. 03:54:29 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:51 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:54 gammafunk: Probably going to keep the new nemelex blurb short and sweet. Does this sound fine? 03:54:54 * **New Nemelex** (78291, reaverb) Non-Scummy Piety rules, Plenty of New Unique Cards, other minor changes --- in the new_nemelex branch. 03:55:55 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56:11 wow I didn't even think about listing labyrinths in my 'remove everything' topic 03:56:12 I am bad 03:56:59 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:57:22 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:58:31 Patashu: Ha 03:58:50 (I actually enjoy labs, clearly I haven't done enough of them yet~) 03:59:11 I've haven't heard any complaints recently, I just did one though which reminded me how borken they are. 04:02:32 Oh hmm, the acid patch rotted really fast. (Duration, so all the places it hits have been bumped. 04:02:49 I'd got through in fix it but I need to go to sleep. 04:03:00 FR: 3D labs. whenever you're doing one, it should have 'This is a 3-Dimensional Maze.' printed on the bottom of the screen. 04:06:22 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:08:11 what does it actually do? 04:08:13 I haven't read it 04:08:37 tl;dr 04:08:58 well I'll take a look at the bug report tomorrow maybe 04:10:33 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:33 hrm, a simple duration 04:12:54 -!- rast has left ##crawl-dev 04:13:31 given that level of stacking it might actually be fine 04:13:38 -5 will add up real fast 04:18:15 hrm, it probably should also affect sh 04:18:31 but I guess that's a bit more problematic, since you don't want to do both at once 04:19:44 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 04:20:09 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:25:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28:18 well everyone has AC, so it seems fine to keep it simple there 04:29:21 (not octopodes!) 04:29:38 corrosion patch looked nice to me when i tried it very briefly locally, i think there might have been a new version since then though 04:32:12 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 04:37:42 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:09 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:45:09 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:37 -!- iporres has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:04 Labyrinths are miles away from being a major annoyance. 04:59:57 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:03:13 ocotpodes will die if any acid touches them so the debuff doesn't matter 05:03:28 unless you changed how coverage stops acid 05:04:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:14:52 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:18:05 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:19:33 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:21:17 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:22:29 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:27:53 -!- asdfaga has quit [Client Quit] 05:31:24 -!- VengefulCarrot has joined ##crawl-dev 05:37:53 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:39:56 -!- surprisetrex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:40 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 05:46:49 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:58 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:48:48 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:53:43 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:53:53 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:02 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:05 -!- rast- is now known as rast 06:11:48 -!- phaze_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:15:07 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:31:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:14 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:45:51 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:47:15 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:50:38 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:51:18 -!- dzelzs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:58:21 <|amethyst> hmm... I've gotten several .tmp files in the bones dir, each of which has a corresponding empty file without the ".tmp" 06:58:28 <|amethyst> but not all the bones have a .tmp 06:58:44 <|amethyst> oh 06:58:47 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:58:49 <|amethyst> safe_file_writer makes a .tmp 07:00:38 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:20 <|amethyst> hm, perhaps this is because we don't seed the libc RNG 07:08:09 -!- VengefulCarrot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:09:17 -!- ZRN_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:14:58 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16:52 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 07:17:08 -!- markr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:21:28 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:25:45 what's the plan with chunks 07:30:13 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:24 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:38:16 Chunks-B-Gone 07:42:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:46:03 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:43 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:48:43 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:16 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:58:49 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:59:01 -!- rast- is now known as rast 08:00:24 -!- ackack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:22 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:10:44 I thought the plan was to remove chunk eating for most races 08:12:16 -!- enygmata has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:48 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:34:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38:03 two manuals of ice magic, a book of frost and a staff of cold from an ice cave...is this...fixedLoot? Yeesh 08:42:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:19 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:39 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:55:50 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:05:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 09:11:14 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:14:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:34 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 09:16:29 sounds like opportunity knocking 09:20:54 which card is the damage shaving card? 09:21:01 'fortitude'? 09:22:37 -!- enygmata has left ##crawl-dev 09:28:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:39 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 09:38:46 -!- CacoS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:43:03 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:45:54 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:46:26 !lg drag0n place=tomb:3 -tv 09:46:27 1. drag0n, XL27 HOFi, T:75693 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 09:46:30 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:34 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:56:41 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:03:40 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:09:17 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:58 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:45 -!- ratboy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:26:39 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:29:00 -!- MiraclePrism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:09 -!- Sequell has quit [Quit: Sequell] 10:37:10 -!- varmin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:10 -!- greensnark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:53 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:40:00 Chris7 (L6 DsGl) ERROR: short read while reading save (Ossuary) 10:41:23 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:57 uh-oh 10:44:18 I smell a save hiccup. 10:44:32 (probably related to saprovores) 10:45:20 Is this mantis worthy? I got abyssed while standing on an Oklob...when I came back...the Oklob moved. 10:48:50 -!- palacebeast has quit [Client Quit] 10:48:50 !lm * crash -log 10:49:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:31 oh no sequell 10:50:28 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:56 !lm * crash -log 10:51:57 7689. Chris7, XL6 DsGl, T:5140 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Chris7/crash-Chris7-20140513-153958.txt 10:52:39 something something bones 10:52:43 i guess? 10:57:31 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:02:05 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:34 <|amethyst> yes 11:02:45 <|amethyst> the thing I mentioned earlier about the empty files and the .tmps 11:03:04 oh no 11:03:07 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03:33 it's supposed to rename the .tmp files to the ones without .tmp, I guess? 11:03:37 <|amethyst> mkstemp + safe_file_reader doesn't seem to work right 11:03:41 but doesn't do that for some reason? 11:03:44 <|amethyst> Zaba: yes 11:04:25 <|amethyst> err, s/reader/writer/ 11:04:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0a1/20140512030202]] 11:05:41 <|amethyst> the non-.tmp file exists because of mkstemp 11:05:52 <|amethyst> but rename should still be able to overwrite I would think 11:06:18 <|amethyst> the thing is, if rename fails, it's supposed to end() 11:06:57 <|amethyst> oh, this is the only thing that uses safe_file_writer? 11:07:16 <|amethyst> so that could be rewritten to use fdopen or whatever 11:10:14 it appears to use some form of file locking 11:10:32 not sure if that would affect rename, and indeed it should've been noisy in any case 11:10:40 <|amethyst> also, this leaks fds 11:11:09 <|amethyst> because mkstemp opens the temp file 11:11:21 fun 11:11:27 <|amethyst> err 11:11:30 <|amethyst> sorry, no it doesn't 11:11:32 <|amethyst> there is a close 11:11:38 oh yes 11:11:45 but then what's the point of using mkstemp 11:12:03 it just recreates the race that mkstemp was designed to avoid 11:12:04 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:15 (and could've as well used mktemp instead) 11:13:57 <|amethyst> hm 11:14:14 <|amethyst> it would be nice if mkostemp were standard 11:14:28 <|amethyst> then you could ask mkstemp to lock the file for you 11:15:08 -!- notcluie is now known as notclyie 11:16:33 HilariousDeathArtist (L15 DsFE) ERROR: short read while reading save (Swamp:2) 11:16:35 just got Gozag's Platinum Reserve shop (on a Gozag character) <3 <3 11:16:56 -!- dingir has quit [Client Quit] 11:16:57 !send dpeg the platinum Gozag Express card 11:16:57 Sending the platinum Gozag Express card to dpeg. 11:17:09 I need it. Dearly! 11:17:19 -!- HDA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:48 dpeg, possibly of interest: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12311 11:18:56 "In shortly, I think this God may be interesting for a player who is able to get after early/mid game without a God, who like to min-max everything, grind and full explore the game including 25 zigs - pretty much everything DCSS"philosophy" s contrary, as far as I understand. For now I considered just less bad than Chei and Xom" 11:19:25 b-but both chei and xom are very solid gods 11:19:45 except xom might decide that it's time for you to die, but that's just how xom is 11:20:06 !lg . won s=god 11:20:07 36 games for Grunt (won): 5x Vehumet, 3x Makhleb, 3x Trog, 2x, 2x Cheibriados, 2x Okawaru, 2x Fedhas, 2x Kikubaaqudgha, 2x Dithmenos, 2x Xom, Ashenzari, Beogh, The Shining One, Qazlal, Nemelex Xobeh, Yredelemnul, Elyvilon, Sif Muna, Jiyva, Lugonu, Zin 11:20:13 2x Cheibriados, 2x Xom, 11:20:24 Grunt: where's your gozag win 11:20:26 0x Gozag, (still working on it!) 11:20:38 elliptic: I keep feeling compelled to splat my characters by bribing Elf early :b 11:20:50 !lg . gozag s=place 11:20:50 7 games for Grunt (gozag): 3x Elf:3, D:4, D:9, Lair:4, Depths:2 11:21:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:44 fr gozag gives you a pop of ?acquirement for 1000*(1+PreviousUses) 11:21:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:08 the main thing I would take from that tavern feedback, btw, is that maybe the cost of joining gozag should be reduced a bit 11:22:56 I've rarely had problems having enough gold to join by the time I first find the altar. 11:23:00 elliptic: Yeah, ~250 gold is kind of lair material in most games. 11:23:14 250? It's usually closer to 150. 11:23:42 What does the gold cost accomplish if you can't afford any of his abilities anyway? 11:23:57 delicious ananas flavouring 11:24:18 It's not meant to serve as a barrier for early game players so much as it is late game players. 11:24:41 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:44 Grunt: I've only played two gozag games so far myself, but it was quite annoying when I was short 90 gold in one of the games after surviving to the altar 11:25:02 and I've heard quite a few complaints 11:25:12 early it sometimes means you have to go clear another floor to get enough gold and delays the time until you can really try and use potion petition, yeah 11:25:15 and as you say, it is meant to be more of a late game price 11:25:32 I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a price, just that the formula should be looked at 11:25:46 isn't the late game price you staying atheist until then 11:26:03 and if you weren't an atheist then enjoy god wrath 11:26:09 I suppose it's nice flavor, but anything that discourages joining him will be annoying to players. Seems reasonable to always be a percent of your current gold. 11:26:37 iirc it is something like 100 + x*(amount of gold generated in the game)? 11:26:51 Gozag does not accept service from beggars like you!!! 11:26:51 "something like that but complicated" 11:26:52 The service fee for joining is currently 149 gold; you only have 118! 11:26:52 for some value of x 11:26:52 ... 11:26:57 (tune in on cbro) 11:27:11 why not just make it 100 11:27:31 if you're going to sail in riches it's already impractical to not join him early 11:27:40 since then you'll miss out on all the corpse gold 11:27:47 the main goal of the entry fee is for late conversions 11:28:02 there's a strong incentive to join gozag late, since the game usually doesn't have late-game gold sinks 11:28:06 but it's certainly not a crucial issue 11:28:08 so everyone ends up with piles of unused cash 11:28:22 rip zig fee 11:28:29 PleasingFungus: yes, rip 11:28:35 dpeg: yeah, I'd suggest just removing/reducing the constant part of the price (the 100 or whatever) 11:28:43 oh yeah that reminds me to pester |amethyst about updating cdo trunk sometime 11:28:44 elliptic: ah, I see 11:28:49 so i can see if it costs 80k gold for me to convert 11:28:55 make it 81 11:28:56 i assume it won't :( 11:28:56 or 27 11:29:04 since that doesn't have much effect on late game price, but that 100 is like half of the early game price usually 11:29:04 50 11:29:13 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:18 Grunt: haggling? :) 11:29:30 but why would you leave your god for a moneysink 11:29:41 I've almost always had 100 gold by the time I find a Gozag altar and the cost has always been around 150 then, so... 11:29:57 <|amethyst> just remove that + 100 11:29:58 oh, my other feedback on current gozag is that potion petition seems a bit heavy on the bad potions 11:30:00 ...150 - 100 = 50 -> deduct 50 from base price -> 50! 11:30:01 <_< 11:30:08 Grunt: yes, since we changed the numbers I never had an altar I could not use immediately, but of course it can and will happen 11:30:19 Grunt: cost was over 200 in my game 11:30:38 but yeah deducting 50 might be enough 11:30:49 or going down to 27 as suggested :P 11:30:55 27 :( 11:31:04 <|amethyst> if this is only supposed to be a late-game thing.... 11:31:06 elliptic: I expect potions to be tweaked until release. 11:31:11 fr gozag altar vaults generate super early 11:31:19 dpeg: yeah, they are obviously very tweakable 11:31:25 <|amethyst> that + 100 or + 50 or +27 does nothing but making it harder to join Gozag early 11:31:31 Let's try 50 for now and see if it's still a problem? 11:31:35 so that ignorant players can enjoy the "Gozag does not accept service from beggars like you!!!" experience 11:31:43 |amethyst: it means something about early shop use 11:31:49 |amethyst: well, it also adjusts the timing on when you can start using gozag abilities slightly 11:31:55 yes 11:31:59 <|amethyst> hm 11:32:03 other gods also don't usually give access to abilities as soon as you join 11:32:04 <|amethyst> I guess that makes sense 11:32:12 all in all, no big deal... what I am really trying to do/get is bribing feedback 11:32:36 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-801-g2398eb5: Don't let monster avatars be distracted by gold 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2398eb5f414c 11:32:39 dpeg: with a bit of luck I can clear Elf:3 ridiculously early with bribes! 11:32:39 <3 11:32:39 I hear Grunt has lots of experience with bribing elf, yes 11:32:41 Grunt: tell us, whether it works or not! :) 11:32:43 <|amethyst> dpeg: Needs a "Bribe Dev" option, that gives you one wizmode command 11:33:00 |amethyst: complete with PayPal detais? 11:33:07 <|amethyst> will you pick &^A ? Or &%orb of zot ? 11:33:08 the upkeep thing is sort of annoying 11:33:16 i ended up just answering no and killing them whenever it showed up 11:33:19 MarvinPA: upkeep for mercenaries? 11:33:19 |amethyst: give all unrandarts of course 11:33:36 Oh, let me find a good tavern thread... 11:33:37 possibly they could just have some fixed friendly duration and then go neutral? 11:33:55 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12272 11:34:03 MarvinPA: I wanted that you have the option to have allies, at the expensive of permanent money drain. 11:34:33 i guess i never actually bribed anything that i really wanted to keep hold of in my game 11:34:39 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-802-g74b874d: Reduce the constant part of Gozag's service fee. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74b874d0b532 11:34:42 until a drac scorcher in zot that i kept just so he could ascend with me 11:35:00 MarvinPA: but could it in principle be interesting? 11:35:22 hahaha 11:35:27 'speculation abounds' 11:35:28 not sure, possibly 11:35:35 !send PleasingFungus speculation 11:35:35 Sending speculation to PleasingFungus. 11:36:02 thrall!!!!! 11:36:16 i have no idea what that thread is saying but i guess that making the upkeep prompt a lot less frequent (and the cost higher as appropriate) would be an improvement interface-wise, at least 11:36:29 MarvinPA: yes, that's one approach 11:37:06 it looks like he wants to bribe specific strong monsters 11:37:35 suggests a formula proportionate to hd^2 11:38:11 then suggests an indicator for when the bribe is running out 11:38:48 anyway I guess he was disappointed that bribe branch only bribes random guys 11:39:26 the nemelex ref is presumably that he thought it'd be a mix between beogh (conversion on sight) and mercenary card (buy a friend)? 11:39:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-803-gb9d8caa: Revert "Add support for multiple bones files per-level." 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 125-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9d8caaabee5 11:40:10 hmmm. 11:40:18 I'm gonna need some way to reproduce that if I'm gonna fix it 11:41:26 <|amethyst> run several copies of qw at once? :) 11:41:41 haha 11:41:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:42:08 do the 0-byte files only occur during the aforementioned race conditions? that'd explain why I didn't see them 11:42:14 <|amethyst> I would guess 11:42:16 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-802-g74b874d (34) 11:42:18 ok 11:42:18 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:23 if it's an OS thing that'd be trickier 11:42:25 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:42:31 (linux vs osx) 11:42:35 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:42:57 <|amethyst> I end up with bones.foo-blah and bones.foo-blah.tmp with the latter full and the former empty 11:43:15