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08:17:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:20:05 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:10 <|amethyst> Redz: no 08:21:50 |amethyst: i think there should be a bonus. a small bonus. because its stupid to selected multiple skills when there is no bonus. 08:22:56 *select 08:24:26 <|amethyst> I'm not sure that "X is a suboptimal choice" means "X needs to be stronger" 08:27:27 <|amethyst> if I'm trying to train up my fire magic, is it that stupid to turn on both Fire and Conj training? 08:28:23 <|amethyst> s/if/also, if/ 08:29:41 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:30:44 training multiple skills at all times is just fine 08:31:02 i probably do it in almost all my games 08:31:32 i do it too. but its rather stupid to do so, when there is no bonus. 08:31:41 <|amethyst> why? 08:32:30 math. 08:32:46 <|amethyst> oh, well that settles it then 08:33:06 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:33:10 i dont know. but as far as i can see does only full levels count. 08:33:21 <|amethyst> That hasn't been true for a few years now 08:33:41 <|amethyst> maybe for specific things like spell levels from Spellcasting 08:33:48 ah okay. so level 4.8 is better than level 4.0 ? 08:34:04 <|amethyst> for most purposes, yes 08:34:13 interesting. thanks. 08:34:34 it is treated like 5 in 8/10 cases and 4 in the rest 08:34:49 <|amethyst> that depends 08:34:58 so i dont need to care about the skill level up notifications? 08:35:07 <|amethyst> sometimes the 4.8 is used in a formula (or 48 and then it's divided by 10 later) 08:35:20 not unless you like your skillscreen to look neat 08:35:59 i died so often, i dont care about every screen as long as i survive. 08:37:37 but still, there is not reason to skill multiple skills at the same time. 08:38:00 <|amethyst> so if I want to train for fireball 08:38:16 <|amethyst> do you suggest I turn on just fire, wait until it's higher, then turn on just conj, wait until it's higher, etc? 08:40:19 well, the best solution must be implied by an equation solving algorithm. but then you would know what to skill at the right time. :p 08:40:53 killing certain things early on gives you a lot of skillpoints at once. its just convenient to have multiple skills set up in advance. 08:41:35 <|amethyst> I would think that the reason to train multiple skills at the same time is to improve multiple abilities at the same time while not having to toggle skill training after every monster 08:42:09 yes. its more like a battle between comfort and work. 08:42:27 selecting multiple skills is just easierl. 08:42:31 *-r 08:42:35 *-l 08:42:37 sorry. 08:47:09 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47:29 -!- himajinn_ has quit [Client Quit] 08:47:30 -!- trystero has quit [Client Quit] 08:47:38 hm. i wonder. if i choice a rather uncommon character, i usually be confronted by more aggressive enemies. sigmund on level two and ogres also earlier. 08:47:52 *choose 08:49:43 <|amethyst> that's just chance; it doesn't depend on your character 08:49:59 <|amethyst> well, if you're resting a lot you'll encounter more out-of-depth monsters 08:50:07 -!- Akien has quit [Quit: Quitte] 08:50:09 <|amethyst> so more early ogres; but that wouldn't affect uniques 08:51:14 hmmm. does this mean, that grinding trough the early dungeons wouldnt make the job easier? 08:51:39 <|amethyst> the out-of-depth timer is per level 08:51:51 <|amethyst> you get harder monsters when you spend too long on a single level 08:52:05 -!- xezzy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:52:12 <|amethyst> the next level will be normal (until you spend a lot of time there) 08:52:18 ah okay. 08:55:03 hm i wonder why there are so many "damage elements" or so many gods in one temple. it is known that humans get confused, when you give them more than 7 options. 08:56:59 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:03 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:57:29 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:31 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:07:38 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 09:09:00 -!- Redz has left ##crawl-dev 09:09:22 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:46 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:11:08 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:12:30 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:14 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:13:35 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:15:03 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 09:17:41 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:22:46 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:23:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:36 Redz: I don't think that's quite right. I know what you mean by 7, but I don't agree that any choice of more than seven items confuses people. 09:26:39 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:27:04 -!- Phoenix8410 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:08 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:30:57 i dont know where i read it. but there was a study that tested it. 09:31:26 *readed 09:33:28 dpeg: this study found out that a human have problems to decide between more than 4 - 7 options. 09:34:24 i think that this is a important information for game designers. 09:34:25 Redz: yes, I know you are referring to that. But you have to consider context: in Crawl, not all gods are equal for a given character. Players know about the choiced beforehand etc. 09:36:06 still you have to check many gods to make a good decision. maybe too many goods to check. as i entered the temple the first time, i was confused by so many options. 09:37:09 *gods 09:38:45 Redz: were you confused about the number of species (or backgrounds) offered to you? 09:39:48 Redz: when you get to temple for the first time in my opinion any god is as good as others 09:40:09 slightly. but the difference is, that i already know the most of it from the usual fantasy genre. 09:40:38 ...wut 09:40:41 all gods are new to anyone. 09:40:55 there a game specific. 09:40:58 (I can understand if so, and in fact I've been trying to make these two screes more palatable for new, i.e. more confusable, players. I couldn't understand if you find the choice of more than 20 species/backgrounds not confusing, but the array of about 14 gods confused you.) 09:42:10 Redz: if you say that there should be a list in the manuals, "these are some gods which are easy to understand", then I could get behind that. 09:42:12 20 species would be a problem. but a new player to this game has already a favorite species known from the players background. ;) 09:43:39 i think there should be less gods in the temple. or more temples at all with fewer gods in it. 09:44:53 It is easy to skew average temple god numbers downwards. (Just note: there are a bunch of exciting god concepts out there, I am pretty sure that 0.15 will see some new deities.) 09:47:39 -!- Nefhilion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:48:05 hmm. how long since this game is in development? 09:48:52 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:52:03 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:04 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 09:52:04 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:41 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:03:53 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:06:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10:34 if i say that dungeon crawl itself is from the nineties then what would you think 10:11:44 Redz: Original DC 1995, DCSS 2006. 10:14:21 is there a summarized history? just to read about the stuff that leaded to this great game. 10:14:59 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:21 so.... can I merge in xtrain? :) 10:20:18 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22:13 Redz: the homepage (CDO) has a History section 10:22:25 bh: perhaps quickly announce it on c-r-d? 10:22:44 dpeg: sure. I think before the only objection was the tournament 10:22:53 -!- Rebthor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:12 bh: yes, I dimly recall :) 10:24:17 !time 10:24:18 Time: Apr 27, 2014, 03:24:17 PM, UTC. 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The 2014 0.14 tournament ends in 3 hours, 36 minutes and 15 seconds. 11:28:58 -!- qoala has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:08 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:41:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:49 !crashlog sayami 11:43:50 7. sayami, XL27 GrEE, T:164747 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/sayami/crash-sayami-20140427-160924.txt 11:45:54 -!- juststopit has quit [Client Quit] 11:46:11 fr: gargoyles should have rC and rC because they are made out of rock which resists those things. 11:46:15 *and rF 11:47:06 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:47:36 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49:06 also make it impossible to kill a gargoyle 11:49:08 rast: do you think that starting resistances are really interesting? 11:49:10 since you can't kill gargoyles in real life 11:49:15 :) 11:49:25 You can kick off their heads, though! 11:49:42 dang 11:49:43 rude 11:49:59 * dpeg has been excelling in vandalism since ever... it's in our genes! 11:52:18 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52:48 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:56 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:57 [18:49:09] rast: do you think that starting resistances are really interesting? 11:56:08 solves more inventory checks later on 11:56:21 so yes 11:56:38 PleasingFungus yeah they should have more hp too 11:56:55 if anything i wouldn't care if they lost a bit of hp for the resists 11:57:08 they're extremely squishy to elemental damage if you don't find resistances 11:57:25 Bloax: from your point of view, you'd be better of by removing elemental damage and resistances. 11:57:38 *off 11:57:55 there's a lot of things from my point of view 11:58:44 and the only reason i don't like elemental damage is because they spam the message log with something more than normal damage 11:59:13 !won * gr 11:59:14 * (gr) has won 734 times in 58759 games (1.25%): 227xGrFi 138xGrBe 78xGrEE 52xGrGl 51xGrMo 17xGrCj 17xGrSk 15xGrCK 15xGrWn 13xGrWz 12xGrFE 11xGrAr 11xGrHu 10xGrAs 8xGrAK 8xGrVM 7xGrAM 7xGrEn 7xGrIE 6xGrTm 6xGrWr 5xGrHe 4xGrAE 4xGrSu 3xGrNe 2xGrDK 11:59:20 !won * recent 11:59:25 * (recent) has won 6536 times in 967324 games (0.68%): 245xMiFi 227xGrFi 207xMiBe 138xGrBe 95xSpEn 84xHOFi 79xDECj 78xGrEE 77xDEFE 74xCeHu 61xMiGl 61xTrMo 58xLOBe 52xGrGl 51xDsFi 51xGrMo 49xDsBe 49xHOBe 46xDDBe 46xOgBe 46xOgHu 43xDsMo 43xKoBe 43xLOFi 42xDDFi 41xMfGl 39xDDEE 38xHOPr 37xDEWz 35xDrTm 34xDsGl 33xVpEn 32xHOGl 30xDrCj 29xHaBe 27xHECj 26xDjBe 26xMiDK 26xNaFi 25xHEAE 25xHaAs 24xTeAE 23xDg... 11:59:46 !won * mi 11:59:47 !won * vs 11:59:48 * (mi) has won 1690 times in 188905 games (0.89%): 560xMiFi 489xMiBe 171xMiGl 72xMiMo 56xMiDK 45xMiHu 33xMiCK 31xMiWn 27xMiPr 17xMiPa 16xMiAs 14xMiAM 13xMiWr 13xMiWz 12xMiAr 12xMiHe 10xMiAK 10xMiCj 10xMiSu 9xMiAE 9xMiNe 9xMiSk 9xMiSt 8xMiTm 6xMiEn 6xMiIE 6xMiVM 5xMiEE 4xMiFE 3xMiCr 2xMiJr 2xMiRe 1xMiTh 11:59:49 * (vs) has won 131 times in 13496 games (0.97%): 20xVSMo 17xVSBe 16xVSAs 11xVSFi 9xVSWn 5xVSEn 4xVSAr 4xVSEE 4xVSFE 4xVSNe 4xVSWr 3xVSAK 3xVSGl 3xVSSu 3xVSVM 3xVSWz 2xVSAE 2xVSAM 2xVSCK 2xVSCj 2xVSDK 2xVSHu 2xVSSk 2xVSTm 1xVSHe 1xVSIE 12:00:47 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:12 -!- vadatajs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:14 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:05:18 WalkerBoh (L15 GhMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:4) 12:05:20 MidsizeBlowfish (L10 CeHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:10) 12:05:20 Berlioz (L11 CeWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:3) 12:05:20 PsyMar (L15 GrBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:13) 12:05:22 Sildraith (L25 MiAr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Crypt:2) 12:05:24 jcd (L25 GrBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Elf:3) 12:05:27 root (L8 FoAs) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 12:05:31 ashe301 (L6 MiDK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 12:05:34 Terrin (L5 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3) 12:07:10 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:08:23 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-263-g742a44a (34) 12:09:33 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:10:50 Although if we're to talk about other fun things. 12:11:21 Then it's strange that Jiyva is either easily available or outright suicidal to find an altar to. 12:12:02 with nothing between the two extremes except rare altars in slime:1-5 12:12:43 -!- ubuntu has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:43 -!- ubuntu is now known as Basil 12:15:31 !time 12:15:32 Time: Apr 27, 2014, 05:15:32 PM, UTC. The 2014 0.14 tournament ends in 2 hours, 44 minutes and 27 seconds. 12:15:44 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:21:16 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:57 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23:24 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:54 bh: xtrain probably shouldn't just remove vehumet's gift weighting? since that's not really about antitraining 12:23:57 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:24:01 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:06 -!- Thundamoo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:15 -!- codehero is now known as codile 12:43:34 ??cbro 12:43:35 cbro[1/3]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. 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Use !messages to read it. 13:00:24 oh, a message! 13:00:28 I wonder who it's from? 13:00:45 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 13:05:07 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:33 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:25:49 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:15 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:31 !time 13:27:32 Time: Apr 27, 2014, 06:27:31 PM, UTC. The 2014 0.14 tournament ends in 1 hour, 32 minutes and 28 seconds. 13:36:17 -!- Phoenix8410 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:37:07 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:38:18 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâ€¦] 13:43:35 !lm jeanjaques 13:43:36 No milestones for jeanjaques. 13:43:49 !lm jeanjacques 13:43:50 26874. [2014-04-27 18:39:25] jeanjacques the Brawler (L17 TrFi of The Shining One) killed Jorgrun on turn 28649. 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I lookforward to trying out when I clear my trunk games backlog :) 14:00:33 -!- Akien has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:37 When landing on a square with too many items to list, the glyphs of said items no longer print as a message by battaile 14:01:49 -!- Phoenix8410 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:11 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:05:47 ??refrigeration 14:05:48 ozocubu's refrigeration[1/4]: A fun and powerful L6 Ice spell that hits everything in LOS (including invisible/submerged things. and YOU, so have cold res) with AC-bypassing cold damage. 50% chance to slow cold-blooded monsters. In 0.15+, it prevents potion quaffing for 7-15 turns. Works nicely in many places, e.g. Slime, Snake, Elf, Zig. 14:06:02 does this mean no more breaking potions 14:07:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:03 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:09:10 yes 14:09:36 ...i think 14:09:47 it does, yes 14:13:27 -!- Phoenix8410 has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:13:33 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:44 -!- Phoenix8410 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:32 03reaver02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-264-g9da1fa0: Turn !coinflip() to coinflip() 10(12 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9da1fa0942da 14:20:00 haha 14:21:48 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 14:22:08 sometimes the coin fails to flip, that's all 14:26:06 of course, this changes the behavior when the coin falls on its side 14:26:08 oops 14:26:29 the only good changes are the ones that somehow drown characters 14:26:30 imho 14:27:35 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 14:34:06 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:34:35 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 14:37:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:46 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:39:06 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41:00 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:13 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:12 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:45:48 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:52:00 Thanks devs and server admins and scriptwriters for running another great tournament. 14:53:15 -!- GetiLife has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:57:07 Who's going to write the tournament summary? 14:57:08 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:24 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:57:32 -!- Basil is now known as Guest26783 14:57:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:45 I nominate Guest26783 14:58:16 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:30 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:08 Just noticed: first and second wins of the tournament were only 16 seconds apart! 15:00:49 tournament over, time to start pushing updates 15:01:48 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-265-ga5c5f62: Auto-id jewellery on equip. 10(6 weeks ago, 15 files, 31+ 374-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5c5f62ab8b6 15:01:50 Lightli: ok 15:02:01 best update ever 15:02:09 good start 15:02:19 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:27 -!- Dingir has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:08:09 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10:16 <|amethyst> What about inaccuracy? 15:11:18 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11:33 i assume you could have identified inacc by identifying the rest of the amulets 15:11:39 -!- frank__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:11:39 -!- Guest26783 is now known as Basil 15:11:53 <|amethyst> I mean, should it be removed now? 15:11:57 <|amethyst> or come cursed most of the time? 15:12:29 huh, i thought it already did 15:12:45 no, uncursed inacc is (was) so good and dangerous 15:12:46 When I see changes like that, I find myself wondering when you'll just give up on this count 15:14:18 uncursed iaccuracy was so good that we just didn't wear any unidenfied amulets because their effects are negligible 15:14:39 and they might have been stasis or inaccuracy 15:15:12 Clarity is definitely not negligible if you follow Xom 15:15:14 I usually tested for stasis and wore otherwise. 15:16:28 dtsund: the only time you won't have enough scrolls to identify your amulets is when you're just starting out 15:16:47 rip tournament 15:17:02 (todo: push some branches when I get home) 15:17:03 and thus why would you risk wearing the amulet of not hitting things so early in the rare case that it might be clarity and might save you from a potential xom effect that he might not even use 15:17:04 Bloax: Indeed; that's part of the reason I wonder when the ID game in Crawl will give up the ghost 15:17:09 New unrand: Orange Crystal Plate by PleasingFungus 15:17:37 PleasingFungus: is artefact_prop_type never stored in a save? 15:17:48 I have not the faintest 15:17:55 where would I check? 15:18:06 tags.cc, IIRC 15:18:11 tags.cc, yeah 15:18:27 since if so old games with mtla will have the regen turned into sustab afaict 15:18:37 don't see it 15:19:28 sustab instead of regen sounds so useful 15:19:31 haha 15:19:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because you inserted new enumerator values before existing ones 15:20:08 yes 15:20:36 there was some reason I thought that was reasonable 15:20:41 hm 15:20:47 I can submit a revised patch 15:20:59 Yeah, when you screw with enum.h and that enum's values are saved, you have to add save-compat shim 15:21:02 looks like unrands might be generated anew each time the game is loaded 15:21:16 oh right I remember why I thought that was reasonable 15:21:18 based on setup_unrandart() 15:21:24 down that path leads to jorgrun becoming a chaos butterfly, and battlesphere becoming a prism 15:21:36 because fog is before regen anyway 15:21:42 so if that was actually a problem 15:21:45 then regen would become fog 15:22:01 ? 15:22:06 fr: fog troll leather armor 15:22:08 it would become the on right after fog 15:22:16 which was regen, but now is sustab 15:22:20 no look 15:22:22 when fog was added 15:22:29 ignoring my patch completely 15:22:36 when fog was added, it was inserted before regen 15:22:43 even in the TAG_MAJOR_VERSION==34 code 15:22:51 fog was added before regen even existed 15:22:57 -!- ActinalWhomp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:23:00 mtla is 0.14 material isn't it 15:23:01 the fog artefact property? 15:23:08 I'm talking about ARTP_FOG, +fog 15:23:14 not the cloud fog 15:23:16 and regen ARTP is even after mtla was added iirc 15:23:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: right 15:23:39 huh. I guess I assumed that ARTP_REGENERATION was old 15:23:50 and that there was some reason that it was last-ish 15:23:57 I can just move the other properties after it 15:24:08 that seems like it'd solve the problem neatly 15:24:25 yeah, just make sure to move things around in every other place where the order matters 15:24:28 (isn't it fun) 15:24:33 oh go dnoooo 15:24:38 fucking wiz-* 15:25:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:25:52 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:26:11 !time 15:26:12 Time: Apr 27, 2014, 08:26:11 PM, UTC. 15:26:23 hmm 15:26:29 four hours 15:27:58 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 15:28:10 hm, reaverb suggests that it should give archmage 15:28:12 instead of wiz 15:28:14 which I honestly like 15:28:40 wiz makes it too easy to use, obviously 15:28:51 obv 15:29:18 ...hau, archmagi CPA 15:29:23 s/u/h/ 15:29:43 there are already two archmagi unrands 15:29:47 Being CPA, it makes it wild magic body armour. 15:29:48 true 15:29:50 of Cheibriados' Pride 15:30:12 Basil: ponderous+++ 15:30:33 idk. I can toss up one version that just fixes the enums, and another one that swaps wiz for archmage 15:30:41 Agate Snail Armour 15:30:44 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:23 Moloch Armour 15:31:31 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 15:31:42 !send Basil emperor liches 15:31:43 Sending emperor liches to Basil. 15:31:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32:00 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:32:03 PleasingFungus: nice! 15:32:07 haha 15:32:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-266-gcee9705: Fix compilation 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cee9705fc933 15:32:55 doh 15:33:20 good commit 15:34:16 !send Grunt AnDoR DrAkOn 15:34:17 Sending AnDoR DrAkOn to Grunt. 15:34:30 -!- Duffy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:44 Grunt, any opinions on twisted res and potential fixes? 15:36:31 Ask me again when I get home. 15:38:41 -!- Phoenix8410 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:38:43 -!- thekdawg21 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:38:46 !tell |amethyst could you update http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html for everyone's reading pleasure 15:38:46 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 15:41:04 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:41 MarvinPA: good commit message 15:44:23 -!- nooodl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:46 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-267-g1dd2060: Correct spelling. 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dd20605e3e5 15:48:55 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:28 uh, how come some monsters got moved aroudn 15:50:29 *around 15:51:22 ...that's quite the commit message 15:52:10 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:52:31 <|amethyst> Crawk 15:54:21 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:54:44 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:55:21 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:55:48 oh 15:57:45 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:31 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:22 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:23 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-268-gf4ec9ec: Remove unused Ashenzari identification handling 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4ec9ec67761 16:04:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-269-g4acf371: Update some more item handling on god conversion 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4acf371bdd34 16:04:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-270-g6d60aea: Remove piety requirements for Ashenzari identifying pluses on armour/weapons 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d60aeaaaea0 16:04:58 ash buffs 16:05:24 imo OP nerf 16:06:07 also rip service provider 16:07:31 the op stuff was dead code since all jewellery was already ided, so it's not much of a nerf 16:07:39 PleasingFungus: amazing concept (black staff) 16:07:44 thanks! 16:07:52 I think it might be a bit weak at present 16:07:54 not sure though 16:07:59 vamp lajatang :^) 16:08:02 haha 16:08:02 PleasingFungus: can tweak numbers, no problem 16:08:09 who's weak now 16:08:10 yeah that's my thought 16:08:17 (mostly the hp cost of casting spells) 16:08:23 sure 16:08:45 right now it's 2 hp per mp; would probably need to add some randomization if you wanted to make it lower 16:08:56 unless it'd be 1 hp per 16:09:05 Add new unrand: the Black Staff by PleasingFungus 16:09:13 which would be a small enough cost that I'd really rather make the bonuses stronger instead 16:09:28 well you have the choice of straight 2 16:09:40 1d2 rolled for every mp 16:09:47 for example 16:09:52 or 1d3-1 in the same scheme 16:10:13 it might be good to make it more random, e.g. straight 1d3 16:10:21 probably best to go for minimal possible variance in this case, though (i.e. only roll for fraction) 16:10:22 even without reducing the cost 16:10:51 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 16:11:03 You don't want to kill players from bad black staff rolls! 16:11:25 hm, yeah, variance could get large with high-cost spells 16:11:26 straight 2 seems like the most reliable one 16:11:29 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:33 9-27 hp is a big swing 16:11:42 9-27 is like taking a miscast to the face 16:11:57 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:11:59 PleasingFungus: exactly. Much better to leave the player at 5/80 after casting rather than killing him to -1/80 by casting. 16:12:24 in principle you could tweak warnings (there are already some for deep dwarves, because their damage shaving means the damage taken is random) 16:12:40 but yeah that'd be iffy 16:13:01 unrandarts could use being a bit more common 16:13:09 they're usually fun 16:13:32 especially the category in which this staff is in 16:13:39 (obsidian axe also being a good name) 16:13:48 remember a few months back when the staff of wucad mu showed up in every game 16:13:51 because staff unrand gen was broken 16:13:56 good days 16:13:57 that was a good bug 16:14:05 Bloax: I agree with that. 16:14:09 yeah I was considering changing the enum for this to DEMON_STAFF 16:14:19 SATAN_STAFF 16:14:28 specifically in reference to obsaxe being DEMON_AXE 16:14:37 Players keep suggesting that some portal vaults are too rare (bazaar, wizlab?). Might be similar: random content we can explose a little more. 16:14:37 probably don't need more mismatched enum/item names, though 16:15:17 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:15:21 I didn't think wizlabs were that rare 16:15:32 I think I routinely saw one when I got far enough in the tournament 16:15:44 they're late-game and semi-uncommon 16:15:51 I'd guess they show up maybe one game in three for me? 16:15:58 hm 16:16:00 a ziggurat being guaranteed was a good change 16:16:02 there's a good way to query for this 16:16:16 it's not unusual for me to take a dip nowadays 16:16:17 !lm * br.enter=wizlab 16:16:18 12287. [2014-04-27 19:45:22] Ascension the Unseen (L14 FeMo of Dithmenos) entered Cigotuvi's Fleshworks on turn 43933. (Elf:3) 16:16:32 !lm * br.enter=depths 16:16:33 7678. [2014-04-27 20:13:32] DracheReborn the Conqueror (L27 TeGl of Trog) entered the Depths on turn 85186. (D:15) 16:16:35 !lm * br.enter=wizlab / br.enter=depths 16:16:36 0/12287 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab): N=0/12287 (0.00%) 16:16:38 hm 16:16:49 !lm * br.enter=wizlab / br.enter=vaults 16:16:51 0/12287 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab): N=0/12287 (0.00%) 16:17:02 !lm * br.enter=bazaar 16:17:03 33989. [2014-04-27 21:04:31] Lap the Conjurer (L14 DrFE of Vehumet) entered a Bazaar on turn 26146. (Orc:4) 16:17:09 !lm * t br.enter=bazaar 16:17:10 920. [2014-04-27 19:57:10] sabotagetoday the Slicer (L17 HEFE of Ashenzari) entered a Bazaar on turn 57114. (Elf:2) 16:17:14 !lm * t br.enter=depths 16:17:15 1765. [2014-04-27 19:52:06] Suckerboh the Ninja (L24 HaAs of Nemelex Xobeh) entered the Depths on turn 57843. (D:15) 16:17:22 !lm * t br.enter=wizlab 16:17:23 517. [2014-04-27 19:45:22] Ascension the Unseen (L14 FeMo of Dithmenos) entered Cigotuvi's Fleshworks on turn 43933. (Elf:3) 16:17:40 so about 50% of games that get far enough have a bazaar, including that weird non-timed one that shows up sometime 16:17:41 !lm * t br.enter=vaults 16:17:41 s 16:17:43 1972. [2014-04-27 19:52:42] blami the Bludgeoner (L19 GrBe of Trog) entered the Vaults on turn 66947. (D:14) 16:17:54 and less than one in three have a wizlab 16:18:12 which probably has to do with dungeon layout changes (depths) 16:18:18 -!- Thundamoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18:24 Sounds like a decent frequency 16:18:27 having a guaranteed unrandart somewhere is one idea that came up 16:18:54 Blade obviously 16:18:55 PleasingFungus: yes, sounds good. I guess it's just ordinarly player complaining. I should stop listening to it :) 16:19:13 idk, I think wizlab frequency could stand to be a little higher 16:19:16 little bit 16:19:22 Well games that get into vaults->depths are pretty infrequent compared to lair. 16:19:28 Dancing Ring of the Mage 16:19:34 especially now that lair branches are murderhouses 16:19:45 and are pretty much obligatory unless you want to wrestle with fire giants 16:20:09 murderhouse is a good term 16:20:15 if perhaps a slight exaggeration 16:20:24 monstrous shenanigans 16:20:26 call it what you want 16:20:39 I call it petting zoo. 16:20:47 pet the shock serpent 16:20:54 it seems to have taken a liking to you too 16:20:58 it wants to kissssssss 16:21:28 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-271-g6095dc6: Fix some reversed 0.14_monster_glyphs.txt entries. 10(77 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6095dc63a3d9 16:21:38 <3 shock serpent 16:21:48 As for the unrandart talk, if there's to be a guaranteed one I'd wager it should be rather early. 16:21:58 Bloax: yes 16:21:59 Since what's not more fun than having something knock up your plans. 16:22:06 would be nice if we could do this with a des file 16:22:09 Early pluty sword 16:22:11 that sounds like not a good idea 16:22:37 Early botono for spens 16:22:56 early obsidian :^) 16:23:23 MarvinPA: increasing spawning chances either? 16:23:30 Visions of slaying the nine-headed hydra flood into your mind. You cannot move away from the nine-headed hydra! 16:24:08 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:25:08 I think a few unrands usually show up in any given game 16:25:11 not always the ones you want 16:25:15 but they're not super rare 16:25:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:28:41 -!- gammafun1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:33 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:59 -!- Thundamoo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:55 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 16:32:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:33:18 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:00 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:34:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:30 does anyone know how to run mapgen? 16:35:15 ah, I found it in the docs 16:36:48 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:41 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:38:57 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:30 I just waltzed in and grabbed the source off of git and I'm looking to contirbute. Just to get a handle on the code I was going to start with something semibig like learning how to add a new species. 16:40:59 What are all the relevant files I'd need to leaf through? 16:41:02 And add to? 16:41:06 To do that? 16:41:19 Obviously there's the species.cc and player.cc 16:41:34 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 16:41:39 what all else would need information added to? 16:41:54 lots of places 16:41:57 I figured 16:41:58 enum.h 16:42:02 heh 16:42:12 I wish I hadn't lost my frogman branch 16:42:15 that had a lot of this stuff... 16:42:27 Thundamoo: have you designed the species from a gameplay point of view, or is this more a test project? 16:42:38 Both? 16:42:42 as in, do you want this to have a legitimate chance of getting in the game 16:42:46 Yes 16:42:55 Thundamoo: in that case I'd advise you to start with a tavern post in GDD 16:42:57 that's a much higher bar 16:43:02 for the design aspect 16:43:29 for the code aspect, yeah I'd probably look through a simple species like human, grepping for places where you see the enums 16:43:33 SP_HUMAN 16:43:45