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-!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:54:25 -!- bones___ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:57 -!- eb has quit [] 02:56:17 -!- bones__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:56:22 !tell |amethyst: Ok, I've done made some changes so my "macros in rc files".patch won't hit lua, is there any other reason sombody might have "M:" or something outside of lua? 02:56:22 reaverb: OK, I'll let |amethyst: know. 02:56:25 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:25 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 02:56:25 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:32 !tell |amethyst Ok, I've done made some changes so my "macros in rc files".patch won't hit lua, is there any other reason sombody might have "M:" or something outside of lua? 02:56:33 reaverb: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 03:02:49 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:07:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:09:05 Allow players to declare macros in rc files. by Reaver 03:10:10 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The 2014 0.14 tournament ends in 2 days, 9 hours, 36 minutes and 31 seconds. 05:31:07 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:41:41 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:42:18 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:42:32 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:44:41 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 05:48:35 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:53:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:54:14 -!- qoala has quit [] 06:01:09 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:21 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:23 -!- rast- is now known as rast 06:07:13 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:43 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:57 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:14:12 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:14:18 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:57 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:13 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:49 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:24 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:33:34 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 06:35:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:45:26 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:56:46 -!- nyfair has quit [Quit: No Pic U Say A JB!] 07:05:45 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 07:17:43 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:31:05 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:58 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 07:42:16 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:43:15 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:46:55 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:34 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:51 -!- nooodl has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:49:53 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 08:01:08 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:08 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 08:01:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:26 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:02:51 This is probably already a known/reported issue, but it seems like the server that's hosting the Tavern has been flaky lately. 08:04:39 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:16 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:09:57 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:31 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 08:15:46 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:29 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:23:19 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:24:51 -!- fufumann has quit [Quit: und weg...] 08:25:51 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:28:34 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 08:30:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:33 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:38 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:40:36 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:42:15 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:45:46 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:48 -!- SkiChan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03:22 -!- nosrepemos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:14:10 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:14:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:02 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:30:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:38 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:22 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:55 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:37:23 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:17 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:50:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:50:41 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:52:48 -!- notcluei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53:38 -!- nosrepemos has quit [] 09:55:20 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:01:28 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:10 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:21 -!- greensnark is now known as greensnark1 10:02:52 -!- greensnark1 is now known as greensnark 10:06:00 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:15 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:26 -!- greensnark is now known as greensnark1 10:06:29 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:49 Lasty: You will around? 10:07:49 Found your Tavern server thing in the logs, and I wanted to say A) I haven't encountered this B) what do you mean by "recent"? 10:08:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:47 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:00 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:22 have Pain and Agony always had the same message when used? "the foo convulses in agony!" 10:10:34 Pretty sure that's the pain brand message too. 10:10:57 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11:16 reaverb: yes 10:11:58 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12:00 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:05 reaverb: Over the last 1-2 days (I don't recall exactly) I've been having the tavern fail to load and even give code errors about 50% of the time I check it 10:12:19 they both use BEAM_PAIN, presumably that's why 10:12:20 It seems to clear up quickly, but then become unavailable again just as quickly 10:12:30 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:12:54 Lasty: Hmm, Are you sure it wan't unstable for a long, single block of time before premanantly recovering? 10:13:09 yes 10:13:51 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14:04 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:12 Lasty: What kind of code errors? The ones where you obviously got connected to server but it made a mistake or the kind where you never connected to the server in the first place? 10:14:21 -!- greensnark1 is now known as greensnark 10:14:23 The former 10:14:29 I should have screenshotted / C&P'd it 10:14:32 <|amethyst> Hm 10:14:32 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:14:32 but I didn't 10:14:43 <|amethyst> I haven't gotten any errors from tavern recently 10:14:49 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:15:01 I guess it's possible that it's just my connection / something about my city 10:15:23 |amethyst: Those messages are related to the macros in rc files patch. (Which has removed the edge case a on lua and is on mantis right now, might want to review the code though I think I overcomplicated it a bit) 10:15:45 <|amethyst> yeah, I saw it but didn't have a chance to look though in detail 10:16:15 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:13 "Orc Hitler", haha. 10:17:33 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:34 |amethyst: Sure. 10:18:57 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-238-g6909aca: Remove a reference to Sludge Elves (ChrisOelmueller). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6909acac9cac 10:18:57 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-239-ga45ff42: Rejoin Sojobo with his tengu brethren. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a45ff42d41ff 10:20:02 Heh, that's definitely a bug. 10:20:46 wheals: It's chris's "Make reavepers cyan" patch something missed by the first commit or just something he thinks is a good idea? 10:21:20 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:22:08 just his idea 10:26:09 reaverb: I'm getting the connection issue right now. It's characterized by a hang followed by a timeout 10:26:15 "The connection has timed out 10:26:15 The server at crawl.develz.org is taking too long to respond." 10:26:48 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:33 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-240-ga4595f3: Standardize some MR boosts. 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4595f383eee 10:35:27 Lasty: Is that still happening? Because I'm not having any issue. 10:35:43 Also grats on becoming a consueller. 10:36:06 -!- codehero has quit [*.net *.split] 10:36:06 -!- Kalma has quit [*.net *.split] 10:36:13 reaverb: yes 10:36:16 thanks, man! 10:36:51 I guess it's localized in some way, given that it's not hitting you 10:36:53 Weird. 10:36:56 Lasty: Maybe try another browser? 10:36:57 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:07 Yeah, it seems locallized. 10:37:39 Another browser doesn't seem to do it either. Do you know where geographically the Tavern server is located? 10:37:55 Germany, I think? 10:37:59 Since it's with CDO 10:38:24 Extra-weird. I can ping the server with no issue 10:39:13 by "Another browser doesn't seem to do it either." Does that mean another brower fixes the issue or does not fix the issue? 10:39:25 Another browser fails to fix the issue. 10:39:39 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:16 It doesn't seem to be a DNS issue, since using the ip directly doesn't help either. 10:41:23 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-241-ga51e621: Clarify some mutation messages related to rF/rC (MiraclePrism) 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 26+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a51e621710f9 10:41:23 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-242-ga6c237b: Clarify artefact un-/equip messages (wheals) 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6c237be8d33 10:41:42 My only thought is that somehow the problem is in the network, might want to escalated this issue to Napkin, who runs CDO/the Tavern. 10:41:52 (network as in you're ISPs stuff) 10:42:26 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com confirms that it's just me 10:42:45 Awright, I'll sort it out on my end 10:42:46 haha 10:42:47 thanks 10:43:05 Sure. 10:44:20 -!- Deathawk_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:46:13 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140419030204]] 10:51:25 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53:45 -!- Deathawk_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:54:41 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:50 -!- Deathawk_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:01:29 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:06:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:02 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.0-26-g1682e81 11:07:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:14:55 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-243-gac418c7: Cut some message spam from str/dex/int artefact [un-]equip (ChrisOelmueller). 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac418c794ebd 11:18:01 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:18:49 -!- Oldblader has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:10 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-244-g7dd1917: Add something missed in the last commit. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7dd1917b8eef 11:31:01 yuck. looks like greensnark's dcss_monsters is very very out of date 11:31:22 The what? 11:31:50 https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_monster/ this thing 11:32:03 oh 11:32:14 @?spriggan 11:32:15 Try here instead: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=monster-trunk.git;a=summary 11:32:15 spriggan (15i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 7 | HP: 14-28 | AC/EV: 1/20 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(65) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 307 | Sz: little | Int: high. 11:32:24 ah 11:32:34 (use the bleeding-edgre-crawl branch) 11:32:38 @?octopode crusher 11:32:38 unknown monster: "octopode crusher" 11:32:39 s/re/e/ 11:32:45 @?-version 11:32:45 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.14-a0-2632-gd2f732a 11:32:49 @?spriggan enchanter 11:32:49 spriggan enchanter (06i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 12 | HP: 27-44 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(112) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 897 | Sp: sleep, invisibility, strip resistance | Sz: little | Int: normal. 11:32:53 @??-version 11:32:54 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.14-a0-2632-gd2f732a 11:33:10 You probably want to use Chei's version <_< 11:33:12 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.14-a0-3606-g5d7b986 11:33:12 %??-version 11:33:31 Yes, but Gretell is a good backup when Chei decides not to exist. 11:33:46 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:09 fsvo good 11:35:48 what's up, Lasty, reaverb? 11:35:53 access trouble? 11:36:09 Napkin: Yes, Lasty has had sever errors on the Tavern. 11:36:16 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:36:19 I haven't, so the problem appears to be localized somehow? 11:36:23 define "server errors" 11:36:25 He can still ping CDO. 11:36:51 Lasty: Did you take a screenshot this time? 11:37:00 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:06 Lasty: explain more detailed, please 11:37:37 reaverb: Over the last 1-2 days (I don't recall exactly) I've been having the tavern fail to load and even give code errors about 50% of the time I check it….I'm getting the connection issue right now. It's characterized by a hang followed by a timeout 11:37:59 "The connection has timed out The server at http://crawl.develz.org/ is taking too long to respond." 11:38:33 He also said changing browsers or trying to access by the IP did not solve the issue. 11:38:45 access by ip can't work 11:38:46 http://sprunge.us/iDEJ weird 11:39:00 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:39:20 sounds like a network/routing problem 11:39:30 67.208.183.122 is you, Lasty? 11:42:48 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:45:24 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:47 -!- Basil is now known as Guest10617 11:46:29 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:47:16 2.7% paket loss in 500 pings.. but that shouldn't result into "50% of the time" 11:53:05 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:54:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:49 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:18 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:34 -!- thetabyte has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:40 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:03 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:23 -!- Akien has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:25 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14.0-26-g1682e81 12:04:11 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:04:15 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:32 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 12:05:37 -!- Thalfon has quit [] 12:10:13 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:11:41 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:12:48 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:12 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:18:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-244-g7dd1917 (34) 12:18:57 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:28 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 12:19:28 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:31 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35:18 !tell grunt how should dith handle summoning fiery monsters? currently he doesn't (similar to tso + poisonous monsters) 12:35:18 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:36:08 !tell grunt i think casting summon elemental on fire should be piety loss/penance at least, not sure if fiery monsters should also be generated hostile? and eg skipped for dragon call, etc 12:36:09 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:40:31 !tell grunt other edge cases: dragon form transforming you into a fire dragon (fine as long as you don't actually breathe fire?) overall i'm not really sure if "no fire" really works out as a meaningful conduct 12:40:32 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:41:42 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:42:58 MarvinPA: Dith also hates steam attacks and probably shouldn't 12:43:53 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:44:05 -!- aegolden has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:33 -!- Guest10617 is now known as Basil 12:48:51 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:43 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:51 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:32 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:05:48 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:40 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 13:07:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:02 napkin: yeah, that's my IP 13:08:52 sounds like network/routing trouble, Lasty 13:09:00 yeah, I think it must be 13:09:27 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:09:42 I'll probably have to work it out with the local network admins -- I'm at work right now. I thought I was seeing the same issues at home, but I'm probably misremembering. 13:09:46 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:11:05 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:17:07 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:13 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:21:40 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:58 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:25 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:27:58 -!- st__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:47 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:16 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:30:48 -!- st__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:13 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:31:57 -!- st__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:38 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:32:39 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 13:37:09 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:19 -!- st__ is now known as st_ 13:38:01 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:11 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:25 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:40:59 -!- e1999 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:16 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:45:53 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:36 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:35 !tell Grunt I'm completely serious about this: use jormungandr.png as the unknown monster tile 13:49:35 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 13:49:45 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:49:55 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 13:55:46 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:11 -!- Basil is now known as Guest53058 13:57:08 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:10 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:01:54 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:15 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:16 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:18 -!- bzn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:25 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:01 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:48 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10:55 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 14:11:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11:10 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:14:00 -!- Eracar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:16:56 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:25:10 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:17 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:31:35 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:35:22 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:25 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:36:25 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 14:37:19 Cannot rest with pacified durably summoned monster in sight by ldf 14:38:23 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:56 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:56 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:00 a friend of mine has a swamp ending with a disconnected rune vault that he had to hatch into 14:41:04 i assume this is not supposed to happen 14:42:18 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:42:30 ackack: Do you have A) a screenshot or B) a save file. 14:43:37 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:38 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:45:10 seth (L20 FoFi) ASSERT(!cell_is_solid(p)) in 'cloud.cc' at line 171 failed. (Abyss:1) 14:45:44 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:44 reaverb: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/Ae-crawl-git-7dd1917b8e-140425-1545.tar.bz2 14:45:58 ackack: Ok, make a bug report and link to the save file. 14:47:30 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:48 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:12 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:29 disconnected rune vault in Swamp by ackack 14:54:50 |amethyst or TZer0: I'm unable to access the watch_menu from console on cbro. a buddy who plays on there a bunch said it's been working for the tourney so far. said it worked yesterday 14:55:16 |amethyst: TZer0: I haven't made any server changes. the inotify script is still running 14:55:44 <|amethyst> johnstein: I've have that happen when (somehow) the dgl shared memory segment gets screwed up 14:56:02 |amethyst: TZer0: any tips on what to check or do? my intuition is to check dgamelaunch.conf, but since I Haven't made any changes, that didn't go anywhere 14:56:03 ok 14:56:10 <|amethyst> johnstein: run ipcs -m and it should list a key owned by crawl 14:56:31 looks to me like yermak previously reported an issue with the same vault, 8338 14:56:41 <|amethyst> johnstein: 0x12345678 or such 14:56:50 ------ Shared Memory Segments -------- 14:56:52 key shmid owner perms bytes nattch status 14:56:54 0x52147880 0 crawl 644 33648 1 14:57:06 <|amethyst> do ipcrm -M 0x52147880 14:57:13 <|amethyst> that show make new dgamelaunch instances work 14:57:18 <|amethyst> s/show/should/ 14:57:33 3-4 Pan vaults. by Reaver 14:57:40 <|amethyst> they might not be able to see everything that happens in the old games, but at least it won't hang 14:58:07 <|amethyst> (I don't recall what the shm segment is used for exactly; I don't look at the dgamelaunch code much) 15:02:09 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:43 ty |amethyst. run that as root or crawl? 15:03:23 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:03:35 <|amethyst> root 15:04:05 that did it 15:04:07 thanks! 15:04:23 <|amethyst> (by "not able to see everything", I mean milestones and resolutions in the watch menu; watching the games themselves should be fine) 15:04:47 <|amethyst> s/milestones/locations/ 15:05:06 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:07 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:18 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12:00 !messages 15:12:01 No messages for TZer0. 15:14:24 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:03 ontoclasm: hi 15:15:16 Bloax: what it is 15:15:21 nothing 15:15:21 yet 15:15:31 But soon! 15:17:27 i should redesign the elementals 15:17:38 i keep wanting to but i can't decide on what they should look like 15:18:59 If you're going to bother redesigning them, make them non-human-shape. 15:19:41 yes 15:20:09 http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/39/41793.png http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/40/43154.png http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/40/43153.png http://www.spriters-resource.com/resources/sheets/40/43152.png 15:21:37 -!- Nefhilion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22:59 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:57 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:24:26 (If you're wondering about the pink in the last one, it gets replaced in the game by white/blue/black. Also those are well done but horrible for this.) 15:24:44 -!- bones___ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:25:30 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:46 i was thinking closer to http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/images/1/1a/FireSprite.jpg 15:29:30 -!- _aardvark has quit [] 15:29:46 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:31:13 The versions I have in my head make fire look clawed, earth looking like it eats/~chews things by falling over on them, water looking like it constricts, and air looking like a bunch of flying razor blades. 15:36:09 i also considered giving them masks like http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120724115624/spiritedaway/images/c/c8/No-Face.png 15:36:58 That sounds super weird to me, although maybe some kind of runic charm in the center would work. 15:38:01 -!- JARG has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:38:08 water elemental (02E) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 32-53 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 2212(engulf) | 11non-living, amphibious | Res: 13magic(immune), 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 212 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 15:38:08 %??water elemental 15:38:25 death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 59-96 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 873 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 15:38:25 %??death yak 15:38:36 (Mostly just for size.) 15:38:52 yeah 15:38:59 @??fire elemental 15:38:59 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-47 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 196 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 15:39:06 i guess they're all big 15:39:29 Maybe fire should look more like a proper column of flame or some kind of explosion from the floor. 15:39:59 well, fire elems fly 15:40:07 so they can't touch the floor 15:40:12 Oh, can't touch? 15:40:25 i mean, obv i could draw them that way but it would be misleading 15:40:31 K. 15:40:41 remember soon 15:40:42 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/shinyswords.png 15:40:44 well soon is now 15:40:44 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:41:09 Bloax: neat 15:44:16 you should totally sneakily cherrypick it into 0.14 15:44:18 because aaaaaaa 15:47:22 -!- _K_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:47:47 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 15:53:10 Do octopodes keep their rings in ice form? (I don't think so.) 15:54:18 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56:32 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:41 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:47 they don't, it melds all but the first two 15:59:44 -!- stanzwecha has quit [Quit: testscheisse] 16:00:14 "the first two" being a thing that exists seems like a bug. 16:00:18 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:01:09 maybe ice form should do the same thing as statue form, iunno 16:01:52 -!- drachereborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:02:07 (you turn into an ice figurette of yourself) 16:02:08 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:09 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:23 -!- GDR has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:29 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:47 and i wouldn't be surprised if i just accidentally mixed languages too far 16:03:16 reaverb1: well, the first two rings are actually labelled 16:03:19 specifically for this reason 16:03:37 so... not a bug per se but definitely not obvious 16:03:48 ontoclasm: Well that's nice, but I still think either all should be melded or none. It's just weird to have special ring slots. 16:04:15 yes, it's pretty weird 16:04:24 i dunno how you'd fix it though 16:04:32 <|amethyst> it's weird for a dragon to wear 8 rings, too 16:04:41 not melding anything makes tmut way better for octopodes than anyone else 16:04:47 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:55 beware the hat cost 16:04:59 well dragonform is a power form, so it makes a tiny bit of sense there 16:04:59 <|amethyst> could make it a random 2 rings each time 16:05:09 <|amethyst> but then people would tediously cancel and recast 16:05:10 ice form doesn't really warrant it though 16:05:15 |amethyst: yes that would be terrible 16:05:33 on the other hand 16:05:35 i think the way it is now is okay, it's a little unfortunate but i don't see much of a likely solution 16:05:43 transmutations are already better for octopodes/felids than for anything else 16:05:47 Spider form gest all the rings, it's not much of a stretch to give it to all forms. 16:05:54 reaverb : so does statue 16:05:58 since they give a far better advantages to them already 16:06:03 -a 16:06:22 Yeah I can't see a reason not for all of them to give rings then. 16:06:24 so all the forms, i'm thinking, means ice form and dragon form? 16:06:26 (you don't lose any armor because you don't have any!!!) 16:06:34 ice form with all the rings would be very formidable 16:06:58 Bloax: Tranmuation dificulty can be toggled with aptitutdes. Give octopodes −2 Tranmutations because the spells are designed for humonioids or something if it becomes a problem. 16:07:07 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/OctoIce.png 16:07:30 <|amethyst> low Tm aptitude doesn't really cancel out good Tm results, though 16:07:44 it's okay for op to have strong tm because op otherwise kinda sucks 16:07:46 especially since most transmutations are low-level 16:07:59 octopodes are already pretty boned when it comes to melee 16:08:01 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:15 because 3 AC is laughable, and their EV is nothing special 16:08:33 the way it currently is, spider form becomes extra super attractive for Op and statue form is really great, which is one of the few times that's true 16:08:36 i think these are okay wrinkles 16:08:59 ice form being great on octopodes would also make it competitive with something silly like blade hands 16:09:31 ice form is already fine on op 16:09:54 and the defensive boosts of spider and statue make them typically better for Op than blade hands imo 16:10:21 basically Op is an oddball situation where blade hands would be one of my least used tm spells 16:10:27 spider form is definitely attractive 16:10:39 statue form isn't that easy to find though 16:14:15 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14:44 |amethyst: I'm confused by "low Tm aptitude doesn't really cancel out good Tm results, though". If octopodes had, for exampel, a −100 Transmuations apt It does not matter how good the spells are they would not be learned (except by training up the other spell skill I guess). Somewhere between −100 and 0 or whereever Tm are overpowered is a point where they are interesting. 16:16:01 training an awful apt to get a very good result is not interesting imo 16:16:15 I don't think Tm are overpowered 16:16:22 They kind of die a lot early on 16:16:27 Before spider form 16:16:28 <|amethyst> reaverb: but realistically we don't go below -5 16:16:30 all it does is prolong the wait before the spells are useful and then they're as powerful as they otherwise would 16:16:40 alefury|2: I don't either. This is kind of theoretical. 16:18:33 i think it's pretty clear that the reason spider and statue get rings is basically flavour 16:18:47 you can argue that maybe it makes statue too good 16:18:57 i think ice form with 8 rings would be too good 16:21:03 it would be a spider form with a bit of AC instead of speed and without anti-wizardry 16:23:06 -!- Gramm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:40 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:03 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:25:22 Bloax: it would also get more hp, a substantial boost to base uc damage and freezing brand instead of venom 16:25:39 well running away is overpowered 16:25:49 ice form hits hard, i suspect it often hits harder than blade hands, it's just that for most characters the defensive hit isn't worth it 16:26:28 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:31:08 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:32:57 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:33:27 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:03 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:35:30 http://instacalc.com/22448 depends on the stats and unarmed skill 16:36:00 with normal-ish stats ice form is better at high skill levels 16:36:30 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:49 with our resident stat ridiculizer bladehands whacks out ridiculous damage 16:43:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:43:46 -!- Guest53058 is now known as Basil 16:48:09 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:16 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/kgda.png 16:57:51 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 17:00:57 that's neat 17:01:08 the cloak is probably not good though 17:01:19 since lear's hauberk 17:06:17 that is incredibly busy 17:06:20 visually 17:07:48 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09:48 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:11:38 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:14:29 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:15:58 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:55 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:17 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:22:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:23 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-244-g7dd1917 (34) 17:25:44 -!- crate has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:47 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:47 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 17:27:49 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:22 is it correct for one corpse to produce chunks that don't stack? 17:28:50 You can't pick everything up without burdening yourself. Q - 2 chunks of wind drake flesh {@w1}_You see here 3 chunks of wind drake flesh{@w1}. You are being weighed down by all of your possessions._R - 3 chunks of wind drake flesh {@w1} 17:30:08 -!- Akien has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:29 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 17:32:03 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:34 rchandra: it's autodropping as many as necessary to keep you unbrudened if it can 17:32:47 which has weird effects 17:33:22 as in, you'll try to pick up a wind drake chunk and it will drop a wind drake chunk to make room 17:33:43 it's an rcfile option if you want to turn it off i think 17:35:34 ontoclasm: thats not the issue rchandra has 17:35:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:48 -!- SkiChan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:55 oh 17:35:57 rchandra: you sure it was two different ones too? 17:36:00 yeah, when I do pick them up they are in Q and R 17:36:01 maybe i misread 17:36:10 yeah thta might be a bug, sorry 17:36:18 it was just one corpse, cast animate skeleton once 17:37:38 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:01 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:43:03 big wind drake 17:43:15 wind drake (16l) | Spd: 12 | HD: 8 | HP: 44-75 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 12 | fly, DMsl, !sil | Res: 06magic(32), 12wind | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 287 | Sp: trample breath; airstrike (0-26), melee | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 17:43:15 %??wind drake 17:44:00 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:06 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:11 funny stats 17:44:25 one corpse makes two stacks of meat. by rchandra 17:44:48 they even have melee spell 17:47:48 -!- dafunda has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:17 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:49:05 ??trample breath 17:49:06 I don't have a page labeled trample_breath in my learndb. 17:49:08 I wonder if we should limit rakshasa's duplication ability 17:49:09 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 17:49:14 ??trample breath 17:49:14 !lg * ikiller=~asterion -log 17:49:15 I don't have a page labeled trample_breath in my learndb. 17:49:15 88. ciphuk, XL18 MiBe, T:36631: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/ciphuk/morgue-ciphuk-20140425-194459.txt 17:49:20 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:49:23 ?/trample breath 17:49:24 Matching entries (1): wind_drake[1]: A drake with trample breath that airstrikes you after you've been pushed away. 17:49:28 I recommend watching the tv 17:49:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:41 oh wait 17:49:45 that's the wrong one, sorry 17:49:50 !lg * ikiller=~asterion xl=21 -log 17:49:51 1. barrabus, XL21 MiBe, T:44205: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/barrabus/morgue-barrabus-20140418-151736.txt 17:50:06 but he was fighting two asterions 17:50:10 or running from them, rather 17:50:12 %git :/lural 17:50:14 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-3571-g7a00bef: Simplify. 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a00befb6a38 17:50:20 %git :/akshas 17:50:20 07Grunt02 * 0.14.0-21-gd531db5: Fix an inconsistency in Phantom Mirror target checking. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d531db55d14a 17:50:25 and the rakshasa was duplicating the spectral weapon 17:50:48 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50:50 yeah, well that part is fixed, but I'm not sure about it dpulicating uniques 17:50:50 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 17:50:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:52:20 perhaps some kind of hd cap on what it can duplicate, although that doesn't really solve the problem, if there is one 17:52:27 Mara (13R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 140 | AC/EV: 10/14 | Dam: 30 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4614 | Sp: blink; b.fire (3d27), mara summon, sum.illusion, pain (d17), 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:52:27 %??mara 17:55:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:06 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:50 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:02:21 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:44 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:03 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:04 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 18:05:04 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:34 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:27 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:54 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:46 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:11:20 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:14:06 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 18:17:03 -!- nogardark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:17:16 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:18:09 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:18:32 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:45 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:20:21 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:28 |amethyst: you around? 18:24:04 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:27:32 -!- crate has left ##crawl-dev 18:28:53 -!- Phoenix849 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:58 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:32:01 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:35:02 !tell |amethyst could you replace /dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-0.14/gretell.rc with this? the built-in editors can't handle it: http://sprunge.us/MGjj 18:35:03 nooodl: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 18:39:10 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:39:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41:23 -!- soundrage is now known as soundlust 18:41:48 -!- Phoenix849 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45:03 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:45:30 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:14 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:48:02 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:48:49 Also I'd like to bring up #8438 again, letting players declare macros in rc files. I don't know if the code has quality concerns, so I would like some feedback. 18:51:55 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 18:52:43 when will deep dwarf death knights lose the deep dwarf part and thus become better enemies? 18:52:59 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:01 Lightli: Did we not have this conversation yesturday? 18:53:10 no 18:53:14 I wasn't in here yesterday 18:53:22 deep dwarf death knight (03q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 63-98 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 28 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 883 | Sp: animate dead, injury mirror, drain life | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 18:53:22 %??deep dwarf death knight 18:53:59 How do you use the %git command again? 18:54:21 %git 6cf688689bb12 18:54:22 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-235-g6cf6886: De-dwarfify death knights. 10(10 days ago, 19 files, 53+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cf688689bb1 18:54:27 oh 18:54:29 nm 18:54:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:32 -!- FVG has quit [Quit: brb flushing toilet] 18:58:42 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:42 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:59:22 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:59:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:01:00 -!- fungee^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:09:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:10 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:20:53 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:25:56 -!- alefury|2 has quit [] 19:26:19 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:29:48 -!- nonethousand is now known as n1000_OgMo 19:30:17 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:31:11 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:31:20 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140325030201]] 19:35:06 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:04 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:37:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:25 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 19:39:36 hmm, setting msg_min_height = 8 is causing webtiles to refuse to load 19:39:53 anyone present who is knowledgeable about webtiles? 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20:16:20 [LD29 is starting] 20:28:52 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:29:10 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:31:18 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:43 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:36:14 ontoclasm: no, it just doesn't do anything---I get a blank scren 20:36:50 ontoclasm: spectator chat looks functional, though. 20:37:19 that's weird 20:38:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:40:34 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:40:49 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:41:07 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:35 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 20:53:48 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:53:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:56:10 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 20:56:10 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:35 -!- Basil is now known as Guest29685 21:05:29 -!- n1000_OgMo is now known as n1000_DEIE 21:10:38 -!- djinni has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:10:39 -!- ivan`` has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:13:28 -!- Palyth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:14:14 -!- n1000_DEIE is now known as nonethousand 21:14:39 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:55 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:22 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:57 -!- djinni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:57 -!- ivan`` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:55 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:38 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:20 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:19:21 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:22 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:44 -!- djinni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:44 -!- ivan`` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:26 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:44 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:21 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:29 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:31:38 Who here would play a 3D Roguelike, seriously? [Not just 3D graphics, up and down matter.] 21:31:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36:14 iunno 21:36:18 the guys playing df 21:38:44 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:33 ??df 21:41:33 I don't have a page labeled df in my learndb. Did you mean: d, da, dd, de, dg, dk, dr, ds, du, mf, rf. 21:41:36 df? 21:41:41 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:42:46 dwarf fortress. (which j*hnstein apparently has working under dgl on cbro?) 21:46:38 He even made a channel that gets all sorts of things from the game dumped to. 21:46:46 Although people haven't really been playing. 21:46:48 Too slow. 21:46:58 more like 21:47:03 eh 0.34.11 21:49:08 do shadow form players have intangible immunity set (sticky flame, shatter)? 21:49:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 21:51:45 Should? Wizmode it. 21:52:06 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 21:52:49 -!- umrain has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:52 b vb 21:57:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:03:03 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:42 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:41 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:13:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:14:23 ugh this mess of code to preserve shield delays for ranged weapons 22:14:36 Maybe I should just have people be unable to use shields with bows/crossbows??? 22:14:46 yes 22:15:44 that sounds good to me 22:16:05 I googled bow shield and the only pictures of people wielding a bow and carrying a shield have them also carrying a two handed weapon at the same time, or another bow 22:16:07 so yeah 22:16:33 I've never been able to figure out how tf anyone could make that work 22:16:50 (why yes, I *have* shot bows, although not recently) 22:17:49 also make a shieldbow unrand, which is a bow that is shaped like a shield (so it gives good SH and -27 acc because you can't see what you're shooting at from behind it) 22:17:58 not a very serious suggestion 22:18:00 Haha. 22:18:23 but not a completely unserious one either 22:18:27 Clearly make it a ballista which just sprays the area with splinters so that you don't have to see what you're aiming at!!! 22:18:34 (a proper use for targeter_shotgun) 22:19:23 (when can we introduce Piecemaker as an unrand) 22:19:31 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:43 ...good 22:22:10 I think we can do a ranged_combat experimental branch after the tournament ends now that I've updated it for the recent commits that touched the code I'm changing. 22:22:31 (probably will want to get the other significant changes I and anyone else are planning in trunk before that though) 22:22:38 (like the Crypt/Tomb things) 22:22:54 An unrand that is both a bow and a sword would be interesting...or in general a bow you can do more than awkwardly bash with. 22:29:56 -!- Guest29685 is now known as Basil 22:30:23 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 22:30:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:28 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:33:14 -!- bzn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:34:24 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:35:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:36:53 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:13 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-245-g7c0ad7f: Re-remove an accidentally reintroduced monster entry. 10(57 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c0ad7f946e3 22:39:49 hm this branch containing two major projects of mine hastily merged together is somehow building other than that??? 22:41:01 lol. 22:42:08 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:44:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-246-g5f15c47: Make summoning fire elementals anger Dithmenos 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f15c47da3a4 22:44:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-247-gb7e33c9: Remove Animate Dead from hellwing spell set 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7e33c911dbb 22:44:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-248-g4089521: Don't give plain salamanders bands 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4089521b8862 22:44:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-249-gf351d1d: Make salamanders rarer in the hells 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f351d1dcca3f 22:44:21 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-250-g3045f11: Reduce the sizes of plain demonspawn bands 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 30+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3045f11ac30c 22:46:18 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:32 ...maybe I should just land the Crypt/Tomb things so that they're online for the end of the tournament <_< 22:50:22 Why make Salamanders rarer? 22:50:45 It occurs to me that five-level Crypt games started before this will get Tomb mimics on Crypt:5 encompass vaults with this, but I think I'm okay with that edge case. 22:52:40 Moved Tomb to always spawn on Crypt:5 instead of random 2/3? 22:55:13 Not sure if god. ON the one side it means people have to dive all of crypt instead of 4/5 being optional...On the other side...more people will dive crypt...meaning de facto less of crypt is actually explored... 22:56:01 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:48 what? 22:56:57 Grunt: you're making crypt three levels, correct? 22:57:12 Yes. 22:57:17 To elaborate: 22:57:34 uh oh 22:57:38 That commit also adds Tomb entrances to Crypt:$ encompass vaults, since Tomb will always place on Crypt:3. 22:58:07 Yeah, my mistake was listening to Bcadren 22:58:26 So if you get a game from before this change where Tomb doesn't place on Crypt:$ (because branch lengths and entries are stored in the save), and visit Crypt:$, and get an encompass vault, the vault places a Tomb entrance which is turned into a mimic. 22:58:40 This branch also includes the Tomb subvaulting, for the record. 22:59:11 you had my curiosity, etc 22:59:13 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:59:45 Yeah, that seems very reasonable 23:01:12 I want the subvaulting thing to happen sooner rather than later so as to be able to adjust as much as possible in response to seeing how it plays. 23:01:32 hmm 23:01:39 Will this make orbruntomb easier or harder 23:02:24 Hopefully about the same?? 23:02:46 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:22 Basil: what about orbrun zig? 23:03:46 I tested it in wiz mode, it's definitely doable with the right build 23:03:52 Well it being random will make it harder even if the subvaults have the exact same difficulty, since you don't know whatt th expect. Hopefully it just won't be significant. 23:04:23 A lot of things are doable with the right build 23:04:36 still need to get to misfortunezig 23:04:46 well surely orbrun tomb is a thing one would only attempt with the right build 23:05:00 I've attempted with the wrong build before 23:05:19 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:05:24 (it died) 23:05:37 Well, my point is that it's doable, the fact that it's not doable with some builds doesn't matter much 23:06:00 Yes 8000 turn wins aren't doable with some builds either. 23:06:10 !lg * won min=turns 23:06:11 17997. jeanjacques the Faith Healer (L18 DDHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-07 22:27:03, with 6429763 points after 9468 turns and 1:48:56. 23:06:13 But some people still like doing them. 23:06:18 (So what builds are they doable with?) 23:06:25 9,000 23:06:26 I'm guessing.....DDHe 23:06:32 (wild guess) 23:06:35 er, 10,000 23:06:53 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:07:06 I wonder how "botable" a DDHe would be 23:07:54 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:08:04 gammafunk: bots tend to bad at player a game of inches, which is exactly what a DDHe is from what I've heard. 23:08:20 I think that's the case for speedruns 23:08:36 well, I suppose it being DD is also a complication 23:08:48 Most bots have been surprisingly imperative when I have looked at their source code so I don't know, though. 23:08:49 Perhaps some other He would actually be much easier to bot 23:08:52 Yea my wrong conclusion wouldn't have happened if Grunt answered me in the first place... 23:09:07 Grunt: is this subvaulting with actual new subvaults? or just the framework for them to be added in the future 23:09:16 HOHE 23:09:22 I haven't decided if I want to put the actual subvaults that I have here in or just the support for them. 23:09:48 grunt_profane_tomb 23:10:02 :| 23:10:40 maybe revive that grunt_twisty_passages vault as a tomb vault >_> 23:10:50 The encompass one, can't remember the full name 23:10:54 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:02 anyway yeah the bar should be pretty high for tomb subvaults i think, but i guess that is all the more reason to get them in early 23:11:04 grunt_twisty_little_passages was a terrible idea :( 23:11:18 wasn't that removed because it took someone 40 minutes to pass 23:11:24 I do think part of this will be to establish what does and doesn't work as a Tomb suvault. 23:11:27 *subvault 23:11:32 yeah, that makes ense 23:11:34 *sense 23:11:49 when I finish slaving over this water palace, I'll give it a shot 23:11:54 Well, the W:1 corridor is a lot like twisty_little_passages 23:12:02 in a condensed version 23:12:05 So maybe I will land the ones that I have here, encourage people to make more, watch carefully, and adjust/remove as necessary. 23:12:05 "look at the orb chamber subvaults and then don't do any of that" 23:12:05 but better vault makers will finish decent ones soon, I'm sure 23:12:17 heh 23:12:27 The... maybe it'll be easier for me to just show the subvault sets that I have rather than elaborate :b 23:12:33 lest you incurr the wrath of a top_deleter 23:12:54 although i actually quite liked some of the orb chamber subvaults really, there were some impressively questionable ones submitted though 23:13:33 I hope to see both lightli and kennysheep tomb subvaults without delay 23:13:36 There's something else other than pure layout work I'm trying with these which may or may not stand (and can easily be reversed in context if it doesn't work, and I suspect at least some of it won't work). 23:13:40 Anyway, http://sprunge.us/cBeD 23:16:19 In tomb_3_rune_grunt_snapback, and Khufu only spawn on the left side of the vault or is the generator allowed to flip it? 23:16:26 s/and/is 23:16:29 The map can be mirrored, yes. 23:16:49 (also Khufu only has a small chance of spawning!) 23:18:37 * reaverb breifly wonders how much time has been spent writting out the two identifical havles of all symmetrical vaults. 23:18:41 Grunt: oh. does +KMONS: K = Khufu w:3 / greater mummy, greater mummy 23:18:46 mean two greaters? 23:18:50 No, it means: 23:18:51 yes 23:19:03 Oh Grunt probably knows this better. 23:19:22 "If Khufu has not previously been placed, place him there on a 3/13 chance or a greater mummy on 10/13. If Khufu has previously been placed, place a greater mummy." 23:19:32 aha 23:19:37 hrm 23:19:46 (13 == 3 + 10, where the 10 is the default weight of the greater mummy) 23:19:56 See also some of my other endings where there's a w:3 for uniques. 23:19:59 right, it was only the use of , in KMONS I wasn't sure of 23:20:04 (notably Saint Roka in orc endings) 23:20:35 hrm, so the , syntax for kmons is like some kind of OR? 23:20:59 It's more along the lines of "If the first part fails, continue on to this part". 23:21:06 it's a fallback, yeah 23:21:13 Fallback, yes. 23:21:17 That was the word I failed to come up with. 23:21:23 KMONS: n = Terence, Michael, Erica, human 23:21:27 wow 23:21:28 excellent docs 23:22:44 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:22:49 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:15 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:25:24 mm I noticed an unintentional asymmetry in one of these vaults just now <_< 23:25:57 ...and another 23:26:53 Grunt: It might make sense to make "monsters acceptable to use in Tomb subvaults" list, particularly since yours you some monsters which currently don't spawn in the Tomb and I cannot tell if that's something you are fine with or would want to change eventually. 23:27:10 s/yours you/yours use/ 23:27:24 They're there because I want to see how much of a difference having a few significant non-mummies there makes. 23:27:27 My guess is "not much". 23:27:33 ...but I want to actually see that first. 23:28:10 Grunt: Ok, that makes sense. 23:28:25 (Incidentally that's the "something other than pure layout work" I alluded to earlier.) 23:29:00 Conveniently each of the lists corresponds to one of the mummy types, so if it doesn't work very well they can just be reset to those. 23:29:15 significant non-mummies probably make tomb generally harder, disregarding layout 23:29:28 hmm 23:29:33 since these are more likely to capitalize on a bad torment turn 23:29:33 Greater mummies and revenants 23:30:00 Basil: are you cackling maniacally yet? 23:30:05 If not, you should be! <_< 23:30:09 (1learn add devteam) 23:30:53 Or maybe add revenants to greater mummy summon undead 23:31:03 Exciting possibilities 23:31:16 ??ghostly fireball 23:31:17 ghostly fireball[1/1]: Like a fireball, except partially resistable by rN and checks only half AC. Heals undead caught in the blast instead of hurting them (3d10 for monsters, 2d9 for players). 23:32:13 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:33:53 another des question, can I set TILE on e.g. a glyph I set to a feature with KFEAT? 23:33:53 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:34:00 I think so? 23:34:07 I'll try it 23:34:22 -!- Patashu_ is now known as Patashu 23:34:29 * Grunt notices another slight hiccup with one of the subvaults. 23:34:40 todo review my own work more thoroughly and more often >_> 23:34:47 hmm 23:34:56 Do any ghostly flame generators exist? 23:34:59 Other than revenants? 23:35:03 Basil: Heh, 23:35:05 Grunt: Lua 23:35:09 I imagine. 23:35:10 Grunt: and you encouraged me to show Basil how to make vaults 23:35:11 Like icecb 23:35:13 I know; I'm being a smartass :b 23:35:15 icecv rather 23:35:25 (imo don't use fog to make ghostly flame) 23:35:26 grunt_baptism_by_fire 23:36:02 Basil: That seems cute, but also a little gimmicky. 23:37:06 Oh, wait, would you want to lure stuff over to the generator if you were a Ghoul/Mummy/Vampire. 23:37:20 So you could bask in 2d9 heal blasts while killing it. 23:37:23 Does Vp get ghostly healing? 23:37:32 * reaverb shrugs. 23:37:36 I have no idea. 23:38:50 Yes. 23:38:51 They do. 23:38:52 Always. 23:38:53 Well, the other dude would be getting 3d10 23:39:02 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:00 Basil: Assuming the other dude is undead. 23:40:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:21 Also, is monster-player hp symmetrical? 23:40:27 todo: undead spa vault with neutral crypt monsters in a ghostly flames generator and a revenant surrounded by gates in the center 23:40:34 gammafunk: har har 23:41:06 Grunt: there's precedence! 23:41:17 gammafunk: yes, hence the "har har" 23:41:32 I'm begging for permission, really 23:41:34 reaverb: Are DDDK or something going to be added to tomb? 23:41:53 (what's a DDDK) 23:42:00 deep dwarf death knight 23:42:08 they aren't DD any more 23:42:09 Basil: Unbron, liches + ancient liches, revennants, etc. You can look at the subvault monsters lines yourself... 23:42:12 Oh 23:42:14 fancy tat 23:42:18 %git :/death 23:42:18 07wheals02 * 0.15-a0-243-gac418c7: Cut some message spam from str/dex/int artefact [un-]equip (ChrisOelmueller). 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac418c794ebd 23:42:22 erp 23:42:25 %git HEAD^{/dwarfify} 23:42:25 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-235-g6cf6886: De-dwarfify death knights. 10(10 days ago, 19 files, 53+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cf688689bb1 23:42:25 %git :/knight 23:42:25 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-235-g6cf6886: De-dwarfify death knights. 10(10 days ago, 19 files, 53+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cf688689bb1 23:42:38 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 23:42:52 The thing is, anything that's not undead in Tomb is going to get abused very quickly, mostly by way of torment. 23:43:13 (Either they get tormented into oblivion or the players abuse them to avoid torment, which may be a thing now.) 23:43:14 oh, hadn't thought about the fact that DK monsters aren't rtorment 23:43:42 hrm, would the mummies still torment if DK monsters were around? 23:43:44 Grunt: Pretty sure demonologist fiends don't care about their friends 23:44:07 They're *fiends*; they have that demonic "I don't care about harming allies as much" thing. 23:44:10 (fr remove that??) 23:44:25 or give it to mummies 23:44:40 or don't add the living to Tomb, that could work maybe 23:44:41 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:44:47 heh, if you torment a DK monster with pain mirror active, does it get reflected? 23:44:59 I think so! 23:45:23 !lg * place=zig max=dam god=kiku 23:45:24 27. LordLovebone the Swordmaster (L27 DsGl of Kikubaaqudgha), blasted by a Hell Sentinel (iron shot) on Zig:23 on 2013-04-05 16:58:46, with 1024006 points after 143461 turns and 16:35:12. 23:45:31 !lg * place=zig max=tdam god=kiku x=tdam 23:45:32 27. [tdam=119] Saegor the Farming Archmage (L27 GhEE of Kikubaaqudgha), demolished by Ohoir the pandemonium lord on Zig:16 on 2012-05-16 13:41:16, with 1688933 points after 398738 turns and 1d+23:03:50. 23:45:37 meh 23:45:43 oh but, what if you have pain mirror active and torment a death knight...dangit 23:46:05 ping pong 23:46:13 I remember there being some bug with Agony and pain mirror where you could take almost 100% damage. 23:46:16 Let me see if I can find it. 23:46:24 !lg * dam=1500 23:46:27 3. ziropiro the Cleaver (L8 MDFi of Nemelex Xobeh), killed by nerve-wracking pain on D:6 on 2009-09-01 22:58:31, with 1466 points after 7012 turns and 0:23:32. 23:46:35 hmm 23:46:36 Nem 23:46:38 nerve-wracking indeed 23:46:38 %bug 4171 23:46:38 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4171 23:47:08 (Oh sense that works as designed should I resolve that?) 23:47:11 hahah 23:47:16 fun interaction indeed 23:47:22 reaverb: ask MarvinPA considering he's the reporter :b 23:47:23 I love that it doesn't kill the player "possibly because of damage shaving" 23:47:39 all the fun damage mechanics at once 23:47:43 So it would kill the player now? 23:47:51 it doesn't work as designed or if it does the design is wrong 23:48:56 Health: 249/249... 23:48:59 "any point of damage can be reflected as most once" is not a true statement, as the bug describes 23:49:01 The unborn casts a spell at you. 23:49:02 Your body is wracked with pain! 23:49:02 Yredelemnul mirrors your injury! 23:49:02 You destroy the unborn! 23:49:02 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:49:02 Your damage is reflected back at you! 23:49:06 Health: 79/249 23:49:17 heug dmg 23:49:57 good bug 23:50:08 is that still around, then? 23:50:12 it only works that way around too, damage can be reflected from you -> monster -> you 23:50:17 but not from monster -> you -> monster 23:50:18 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:20 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:51:06 Clearly we need ~*~*~*consistency~*~*~ 23:51:19 unfortunately it's hard to fix because fineffs and things 23:51:33 MarvinPA: That's a very convincing case. 23:51:43 mm 23:51:48 I just had an idea for how to fix it?? 23:52:20 -!- CatPlusPlus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:52:22 Seems kind of silly thinking about it, but it might work. 23:52:41 the damage source doesn't get retained through reflection or something, it's certainly not unlikely that there's some solution i didn't think of though :P 23:52:46 god_acting gdact(GOD_YREDELEMNUL); (and a matching check in wherever the enchantment is) 23:53:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:46 hmm, i have no clue how that would interact with fineffs 23:53:56 Grunt: If you do that you might want to add a line of pain mirror not effect Yred's power to harm, just so that if another dmg source triggers that someday we can claim it's not a bug. 23:54:37 ...huh? 23:54:39 I don't follow. 23:55:36 Grunt: I assume gdact(GOD_YREDELEMNUL) is a property dmg or effects can have, correct? 23:55:48 Uh, not exactly. 23:55:59 Grunt: Ok then, never mind. 23:56:01 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56:04 * reaverb begins source diving. 23:56:44 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:57:10 What is 'fineff' short for? 23:57:14 final effect 23:57:22 Ah, ok. 23:57:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:57:30 ...an effect that triggers after most other types of damage / death are resolved, in other words. 23:58:28 PleasingFungus: It's one of the few OO parts of the code, fineff.cc 23:58:53 haha 23:58:59 "that might alter something in an unexpected way" 23:59:02 good description 23:59:23 http://sprunge.us/DOJZ 23:59:27 ...is what I had in mind. 23:59:28 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev