00:00:47 ....so 00:00:54 i think i have enough screenshots now 00:01:02 how do i go about putting them up on CDO 00:01:13 Do you have a Wordpress account? 00:01:14 You' 00:01:19 ll probably need to talk to Nappy if not. 00:04:16 -!- Basil__ is now known as Basil 00:05:49 -!- hashc-noob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:07:17 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-210-gb09f9d7 (34) 00:13:59 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:34 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:18:51 -!- Insomniak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:48 -!- Datul_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:18 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23:23 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:24:50 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:36 -!- eb has quit [] 00:28:45 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 00:28:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:29:16 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:29:48 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 00:30:55 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:32:27 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:26 -!- Kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:38 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37:08 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:10 grunt: i guess i could also just give them to somebody with access 00:37:27 i'm really short of console shots, though 00:37:33 as in, i have zero 00:37:41 today I learned that I don't like how integer division can't be applied/undone to both sides of an inequation trivially 00:38:18 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:44 what is an inequation 00:38:49 inequality + equation? 00:38:58 as in x+y>z 00:39:28 if x/y>z and / is the integer division operator you can't just translate into x>y*z and have the same inequality 00:39:50 yep 00:50:45 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:52:18 -!- swayze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:05 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 00:58:34 LorrdErnie (L4 GrFi) ASSERT(beam || !doEffects) in 'ouch.cc' at line 117 failed. (D (Sprint)) 01:00:21 <|amethyst> oh great 01:00:41 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:15 <|amethyst> !crashlog lorrdernie 01:01:20 No milestones for lorrdernie (crash). 01:01:21 <|amethyst> !crashlog lorrdernie sprint 01:01:22 1. LorrdErnie, XL4 GrFi, T:340 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/LorrdErnie/crash-LorrdErnie-20140423-055830.txt 01:02:38 LorrdErnie (L3 GrFi) ASSERT(beam || !doEffects) in 'ouch.cc' at line 117 failed. (D (Sprint)) 01:03:19 LorrdErnie (L2 GrFi) ASSERT(beam || !doEffects) in 'ouch.cc' at line 117 failed. (D (Sprint)) 01:03:54 nice, he's getting it faster and faster 01:03:58 -!- Dugar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:04:17 <|amethyst> _print_resist_messages 01:04:36 <|amethyst> passes exactly the argument combination (null beam but doEffects == true) 01:05:00 <|amethyst> that could in some situations (but not here) result in the null dereference 01:05:29 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-211-gc3d5cf6: Revert "Add argument check for check_your_resists (floatingatoll, #8416)" 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3d5cf6d3f59 01:05:32 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05:37 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:05:39 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:41 oh boy 01:05:44 // This function seems to have very little regard for encapsulation. 01:05:46 -!- Zannick has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:05:47 this is gonna be fun 01:06:25 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:35 -!- turde has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:06:55 <|amethyst> rebuilding cszo 01:07:20 -!- GDR has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-211-gc3d5cf6 (34) 01:11:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:15:52 http://imgur.com/a/gqFsK#0 01:15:57 look good? 01:16:22 oh god, http://imgur.com/a/gqFsK#5 is giving me dwarf fortress flashbacks 01:16:24 that font 01:16:41 http://imgur.com/a/gqFsK#5 is like 'your guide to dying in the abyss' 01:17:08 ElMuncho (L7 LOFE) ASSERT(beam || !doEffects) in 'ouch.cc' at line 117 failed. (D:5) 01:17:27 Cheibrodos (L10 OgWr) ASSERT(beam || !doEffects) in 'ouch.cc' at line 117 failed. (D:9) 01:17:43 ontoclasm: http://imgur.com/a/gqFsK#15 you saw that the guy who made this also provided an uncropped version? 01:17:54 yeah 01:17:57 ok 01:18:06 i prefer it cropped, though 01:18:08 that version's good, just wanted to check that you knew 01:18:17 -!- Morg0th has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:18:26 it's a great moment 01:18:45 simulacrulum is great 01:18:46 fuck you cerebov, i brought ICE TITANS 01:18:47 kiku is great 01:18:50 cerebov is great 01:18:59 it is a wonderful confluence of greatness 01:20:47 <|amethyst> what is that font at #5? 01:20:51 <|amethyst> it's not quite IBM VGA 01:20:59 <|amethyst> the 8 is weird for example 01:21:18 it's fixedsys i think 01:21:34 whatever windows' horrible default is 01:22:03 i use monofur as in #1 01:22:29 <|amethyst> oh, I guess fixedsys does have the weird 8 01:22:37 it's burned into my memory 01:22:40 long hours of playing dwarf fortress 01:22:46 <|amethyst> and I had been thinking it was just a clone of VGA 01:23:40 font is "terminal" apparently 01:23:45 <|amethyst> I was never much of a Windows user back in the days when Fixedsys was something you might actually use 01:24:00 <|amethyst> I did DOS then 01:24:37 <|amethyst> usually with 80x43 though, not 80x25 01:24:40 Note that "terminal" is distinct from the "terminal" font that is floating out there on the internet. 01:24:53 And 80x43 was the bomb. 01:25:12 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:25:48 Aerogard (L20 MiCK) ASSERT(beam || !doEffects) in 'ouch.cc' at line 117 failed. (Vaults:4) 01:26:19 hahaha someone made a vector version 01:26:22 http://www.yohng.com/software/terminalvector.html 01:26:48 -!- Nefhilion has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:58 w...why 01:28:44 this offends my sensibilities :C 01:29:39 so, the complexity of determining how likely a pacification is (because it's a roll based on a roll) has done its best to try and stop me 01:29:39 but 01:29:41 (assuming this compiles) 01:29:43 I have a prototype :3 01:29:46 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:30:00 (I bet it crashes the first time I try to run it, I am in over my head) 01:30:56 -!- MgDark_MiBe has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 01:31:05 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:35 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140419030204]] 01:45:24 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:45:52 -!- Carver has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:05 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:33 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:19 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:37 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:51:38 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 01:53:16 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:53:26 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:59:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:19 -!- sd1989 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:48 -!- SkiChan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08:20 -!- agolden has quit [Quit: agolden] 02:11:24 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14:47 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:16:21 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:55 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-211-gc3d5cf6 (34) 02:19:40 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 02:22:44 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:22:44 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:23:11 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 02:26:02 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:27:40 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:28:09 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 02:28:32 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:30:17 -!- Hailey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:32:42 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:43:23 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:44:15 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:51:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:56:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:57:08 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:37 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:43 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:59:48 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 03:00:28 -!- RandomEntity has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:02:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:13:48 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:17:25 |amethyst: :( 03:17:49 i'll try to figure out what went wrong tomorrow. 03:19:20 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:20:01 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:25:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:58 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27:16 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 03:27:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:42:53 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-212-g405fd41: Remove thorn lotuses. 10(2 hours ago, 13 files, 7+ 141-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=405fd4155241 03:43:07 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:23 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:58 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:35 huh 03:52:48 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:49 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:55:09 Would a portal or branch that had passive, but damageless winds be interesting? [Blowed around like a tornado at a constant, so you are forced to fly and have difficulty controlling your positioning; but aren't directly damaged by the wind.] 03:57:20 the difficult trick would be setting it up so the wind has an interesting gameplay effect (most likely some form of tactically interesting), without feeling like it's an interface screw. 03:57:38 it would be really awkward 03:57:54 especially if the wind blowing on things isn't deterministic 03:58:55 ??deterministic 03:58:55 I don't have a page labeled deterministic in my learndb. 03:59:19 deterministic := not probabilistic 03:59:57 predetermined instead of random? 04:00:20 let me put it this way 04:00:48 probabilistic: if coinflip, blow actor after they move (or anything that is influenced by a random number generator) 04:01:11 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:01:39 deterministic: every 2 moves/20 auts/some amount of time based on their size/weight, blow actor (or anything that is never random and entirely predictable by just the game state itself, even if it's not immediately accessible knowledge) 04:02:09 !messages 04:02:10 No messages for sd1989. 04:02:18 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:18 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 04:02:18 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:34 I was actually thinking of giving it semi-realistic wind paths, like how shoals has semi-realistic tides 04:03:24 would you be able to see the wind? 04:04:12 agreed, the player would need indication of the wind's pattern, so that it doesn't _feel_ random, even if it were deterministic 04:04:29 if so, how do they see the wind? 04:04:32 The tornado spell manages this somewhat with moving bands of colors 04:04:38 in clouds 04:04:45 example: I save in the wind branch and load my save. without taking a turn, how can I recollect all the winds I have seen? 04:05:07 ah, that's a good point 04:05:17 Visible bands of clouds? 04:06:00 it'd be harder to make the bands recalculate on something other than the in-game time. 04:06:33 If the bands are always perpendicular to the flow, you might be able to get some sense, but unsure if it'd be enough. 04:08:06 bands of clouds can show the overall sense of the wind direction - I take it that you don't intend it possible to predict whether a certain tile's wind will blow you, say, n or nw? (or it's probabilistic based on the flow direction?) 04:08:21 depends on how complex you're thinking for "semi-realistic wind paths". Vortices? Turbulence? Simplified laminar flows will be easier to visualize 04:08:33 qoala: I think he just means 'looks smooth' 04:08:38 like if you imagine the flow of a river 04:11:53 doctordoom (L27 VSMo) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1436: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type -1 (-1) (Zig:15) 04:12:12 doctordoom (L27 VSMo) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1436: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type -1 (-1) (Zig:15) 04:13:53 Vortices could be done with a non damaging version of normal tornado...but that would be pretty harse. 04:15:08 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:47 hmm... checking what monsters resist wind. Definitely don't want twisters. Depending on expected level, air elementals swarming would just add to positioning hell (I'd expect this to be mostly open?) 04:18:13 'checking what monsters resist wind.' I don't think this is even a thing that exists in Crawl? 04:18:24 ball lightning doesn't really make for an opponent in the usual sense. 04:18:30 Only other choice is wind drakes. 04:18:33 air elemental (15E) | Spd: 25 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 15 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 223 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 04:18:33 %?? air elemental 04:18:40 oh wow 04:18:43 It's found in mon-util.cc rather than mon data 04:18:49 They're immune to tornado pushing 04:18:58 I don't think it resists any damage 04:19:13 oh wait, no 04:19:18 it probably does 04:19:33 Because at least elementals and twisters are immune to tornado damage. 04:19:46 I've only just returned to this code base after months away. 04:19:53 It resists Airstrike and Tornado 04:19:54 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:58 (also not playing crawl for a while) 04:32:39 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:41 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:34:19 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:34:21 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:44:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:46:29 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:47:14 -!- nosrepemos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:57:37 -!- Zicher has quit [] 04:57:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:00:48 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:07:44 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:08:17 -!- qoala has quit [] 05:22:05 -!- Yllodra has quit [] 05:25:06 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31:04 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:31:52 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:32:30 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:48 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38:14 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:40:35 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 05:45:30 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:48:42 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50:14 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:37 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:36 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:09:29 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:29 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:13:36 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:16:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:32 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:21:05 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:18 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:26:50 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:27:38 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:31:18 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:31:26 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 06:32:12 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:19 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:33:53 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:36:17 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36:44 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:40:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:42:08 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:34 the Grimm move on transifix is really annoying 06:42:34 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:42:37 !messages 06:42:38 (1/1) clonepa said (17h 17m 35s ago): I sent you an email with some crawl fanart I made 06:42:40 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:43:48 !seen clonepa 06:43:48 I last saw clonepa at Tue Apr 22 18:28:06 2014 UTC (17h 15m 42s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 06:49:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:54:40 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:56:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:29 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:59:42 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:01:46 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 07:11:38 -!- DrKe2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:20:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:01 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:29 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-213-g32ba97d: Allow stabbing with rods/staves with the boots of the Assassin (jeanjacques). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32ba97dc6120 07:26:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:31:01 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:45 -!- stanzwecha has quit [Quit: bonne wieauchimmer � tous] 07:38:14 -!- zernach_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:39:38 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41:30 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:50:38 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:53 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:55 -!- rast- is now known as rast 07:53:08 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:56:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:57:52 -!- Mateji has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:25 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 08:12:17 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:15:01 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:26:33 -!- Demise has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:29:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:30:48 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:31:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:31:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:34:29 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:36:31 -!- temporary has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:34 hi there sorry to bother, is there a timeline for the release of 0.14 debian packages? right now is still at 0.13 08:39:30 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:44:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:50 temporary: not sure who can do it 08:48:05 the dev who used to do this is retired, at least temporarily 08:56:34 thanks for the straight answer ^^ keep up the good work 08:57:02 -!- temporary has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:58:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 08:58:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:58 Hints mode tutorial messages bad output by kmz8160 09:00:58 Hints mode tutorial messages bad output by kmz8160 09:01:58 -!- ystael has quit [Client Quit] 09:02:04 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:24 -!- Zerkmund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:17 -!- bones__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:38 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:11:06 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:51 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:15:02 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:36 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 09:17:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:21:04 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:21:09 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:14 Adding a new menu_colour category for items shown in the status panel. by bones 09:22:18 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:25:54 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:51 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:29:18 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:31:30 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-214-g55ab616: Don't log DGL messages twice in certain instances (#8414). 10(6 minutes ago, 4 files, 8+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55ab616a8764 09:39:28 -!- _K_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40:33 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:43:20 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:46:48 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-215-g75f1b7e: Correct function use (ChrisOelmueller). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=75f1b7e5bf1b 09:50:53 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:09 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:58 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:11 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:07:00 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:08:13 I don't know why players always complain about troves. When I get one, the loot rocks :) 10:11:49 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:12:20 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12:29 decisions, decisions... 10:13:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:16:18 -!- DaimyoKirby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:16:42 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:25 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:19 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:47 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:06 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:33:04 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:33:58 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 10:35:56 -!- dudearm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:36:25 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:51:37 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:11 -!- wompa_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:52:54 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-216-g8a335da: Don't masquerade large rocks as artefacts. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a335da7465a 10:53:18 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140419030204]] 10:57:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:21 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 28.0/20140319124030]] 11:05:48 -!- Thalfon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:00 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:06:10 -!- ToastyP is now known as ToastyP_ 11:07:07 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:56 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:17:28 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:07 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:26:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:53 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:08 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:40:29 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:40:52 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:53 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:26 -!- ToastyP__ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 11:44:48 -!- Spatzist has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:45:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:48:03 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:49:23 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:50:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:22 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:51 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:53:54 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:54:41 -!- dudearm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:44 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:59 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 12:08:04 !lm . trove 12:08:04 No keyword 'trove' 12:08:59 Temple entrance generated in a bubble accessible only through one downstairs by Sar 12:11:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:19 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:16:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-216-g8a335da (34) 12:17:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:10 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:34 -!- Basil is now known as Guest45933 12:20:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:37 -!- Ciph has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31:06 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:18 -!- PalythWork has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:23 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:30 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:40 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:48 -!- KLANG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:50:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:53:54 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:55:50 Gobbopathe (L19 VpEn) ASSERT((int)Buffer.size() == expanded_keys_left) in 'macro.cc' at line 551 failed. 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(Makes the player's positiioning less meaningful). 13:37:42 reaverb: OK, I'll let dudearm know. 13:38:18 octopode crushers <3 13:40:31 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-217-g70ad64b: Tell the player in the notes which wizlab they entered. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70ad64b82ac3 13:40:34 !tell qoala Welcome back! 13:40:34 reaverb: OK, I'll let qoala know. 13:40:51 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:08 PleasingFungus: Do you like octopode crushers? (I haven't really seen them, but crate describes them as almost as bad as elemental wellsprings) 13:41:29 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:02 I've seen them twice and fought them in melee once 13:42:12 not really enough to form a strong opinion 13:42:28 octopode crushers give out hats 13:42:32 haha 13:42:33 that is all that is important 13:43:10 then again I also didn't have any real problems with elemental wellsprings and I kind of think crate hates everything 13:43:13 so idk 13:43:59 PleasingFungus: crate had an excellent post on the Tavern explaining why he thinks any effect which moves the player is bad design. 13:44:28 (and also why he and minqmay hate monster digging) 13:44:41 [presumably minqmay] 13:45:05 monster digging is really interesting as an enemy effect because it changes the situation so drastically 13:45:13 if it was common it would suck 13:45:16 but as a rare thing it's cool 13:45:39 on deep troll ees, cacos, and supposedly jorgrun? 13:47:06 PleasingFungus: Basically what crate said on digging was that except the correct rarenss was for just cacos to have it. 13:47:27 Perhaps it's just that player who play a lot burn through "shallower" content faster. 13:49:03 I thought crate didn't even do depths 13:49:17 ??cratecrawl 13:49:18 cratecrawl ~ crate crawl[1/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8705 update for .14: get the silver rune then leave, no entering depths/crypt/forest/elf, can only enter one lair rune branch 13:49:24 no entering depths 13:49:30 so ????? 13:49:43 if he doesn't even play these areas, how can he complain about them? 13:49:52 Heh, that's a good point. 13:49:56 I like crate but I don't understand him at all 13:50:18 well considering he's won games in the tourney i'm going to guess he doesn't play that way 100% of the time 13:51:11 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:30 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:36 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: 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check_your_resists has five parameters, two of which are not specified there. 16:39:48 gdb reports that it received a non-zero parameter for doEffects, some value '32'. 16:39:55 check_your_resists (hurted=11, flavour=BEAM_COLD, source=, beam=0x0, doEffects=32) 16:39:59 where did that '32' come from? 16:40:02 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:40:31 the assert that was committed was ASSERT(beam || !doEffects), but it's unclear how doEffects ends up true here. 16:40:56 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: the default value for that parameter is 'true' 16:41:07 <|amethyst> it's probably showing up as 32 instead of 1 because of optimisation 16:41:19 where is the default value declared? it's not in ouch.cc 16:41:24 'bool doEffects)' 16:41:25 <|amethyst> ouch.h 16:41:28 oh. 16:41:31 is that a thing, then? 16:41:42 indeed it is. 16:41:42 <|amethyst> defaults go with the prototype, not the definition 16:41:44 i'm sorry :( 16:42:04 okay, so, the default parameters will now ASSERT with the revised patch, at least. 16:42:11 only on poison/poison_arrow, as it should be. 16:43:04 and disabling doEffects would break all of the mpr() calls that _print_resist_messages is trying to emit 16:43:11 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:22 |amethyst: i submitted a 3.patch that adds two specific asserts in the poison cases only. 16:43:38 thanks for the stack dump help. makes more sense now. i didn't know that defaulted true :( 16:44:47 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:45:01 also, so many canned_msg(MSG_YOU_RESIST) 16:45:37 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:43 <|amethyst> elliptic: do you have suggestions about how to remove the (new with deterministic poison) use of beam->damage in check_your_resists? 16:46:08 <|amethyst> elliptic: the problem being that _print_resist_messages passes a null beam but doEffects == true 16:46:16 * floatingatoll is tracing backwards through calls to _print_resist to see if there's a way to bring along the beam object somehow 16:46:34 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:04 <|amethyst> ohh 16:47:06 <|amethyst> actually 16:47:08 hm, I don't know much about this code 16:47:20 <|amethyst> look at what _print_resist_messages does in the monster case 16:47:33 |amethyst: in this case, the stack trace says we're on the 'defender is player' case 16:47:35 <|amethyst> I guess that doesn't work here 16:47:45 so we need the monster's (attacker's) beam 16:47:57 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: right; I mean the monster-defending case in _print_resist_messages makes a fake beam 16:48:09 <|amethyst> but that doesn't work if we actually need the damage 16:48:09 ah, but without damage numbers, yeah 16:48:25 <|amethyst> _print_resist_messages is never called with BEAM_POISON 16:49:20 mon-cast has a whole bunch of code about creating beams for monsters 16:49:24 maybe that's in the trace 16:49:52 if it is, it'd be somewhere in #13 or #14? 16:50:11 <|amethyst> there is no beam 16:50:16 attacker = 0xdbada8 (monster), attk_type = AT_HIT, attk_flavour = AF_COLD, wpn_skill = UNARMED.. this isn't a beam at all. 16:50:22 <|amethyst> yeah 16:50:29 so... 16:50:32 <|amethyst> _print_resist_messages is used for melee attacks only 16:50:58 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:14 and iirc in the case of poison melee attacks, it makes no special effort to print resist messages 16:51:22 -!- Basil is now known as Guest31608 16:51:40 if (one_chance_in(3)) mons_do_poison(); 16:51:56 <|amethyst> the melee messages for poison come from mons_do_poison 16:52:12 <|amethyst> I think the assert in the BEAM_POISON case is probably the best 16:52:16 * floatingatoll nods 16:52:18 <|amethyst> (and BEAM_POISON_ARROW) 16:52:56 <|amethyst> it won't happen currently, but if someone *does* start calling _print_resist_messages(&you, foo, BEAM_POISON) then we'll know about it 16:53:00 * floatingatoll nods 16:53:06 -!- GDR has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:13 mons_do_poison has its own internal implementation of print_resist_messages, too 16:53:27 mprf for poisons and partially resist, so yay 16:53:38 <|amethyst> _print_resist_messages is itself internal (to melee_attack) 16:53:42 * floatingatoll nods 16:54:24 is defender_name().c_str() 'You' when the defender is the player? 16:55:18 <|amethyst> "you", yes 16:55:30 <|amethyst> (mpr capitalises the first letter) 16:55:34 ah 16:56:09 yeah, that was an ... interesting change 16:56:37 rP is resist poison, presumably 16:57:00 rP doesn't apply for weak poison attacks at all, and is always 'half the amount' if you have rP at any tier and 'lifeforce'? 16:57:15 (basically, there were some calls that weren't supposed to be at the beginning of the sentence, or otherwise weren't really supposed to be capitalized) 16:57:23 SamB: oh, interesting 16:57:25 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 16:57:45 we've *probably* cought all of those by now though ;-) 16:57:57 so what is ->has_lifeforce() in game terms? 16:58:16 i think someone recently reported player names being incorrectly capitalised in dgl messages 16:58:30 or something like that 16:59:00 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:59:11 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: for weak poison, it passes force == false to defender->poison 16:59:16 looks like it's not on mantis, i guess someone just mentioned it somewhere 16:59:20 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: which then handles the resistance 16:59:30 ah! 16:59:47 so this is a special case where lifeforce+rP halves it before ->poison() is called 16:59:56 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: halves it but passes force == true 17:00:20 curious that this is in melee_attack rather than ->poison() 17:00:33 shouldn't ranged poison qualify for that? 17:00:46 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: there is no 'strong' ranged poison 17:00:54 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: well, there's parrow, which does handle that 17:00:55 i see 17:01:13 <|amethyst> (which is why BEAM_POISON and BEAM_POISON_ARROW are two different things) 17:01:19 heh. 17:01:39 didn't we tell you about ranged yet? 17:01:41 ??ranged 17:01:41 ranged combat[1/4]: Nobody understands ranged combat. 17:01:52 it hadn't come up, no 17:02:13 AF_KLOWN ?! 17:02:16 with a K? 17:02:17 good attack type 17:02:19 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: Killer Klowns 17:02:24 Killer Klown (04@) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 126-178 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3012(klown) | 10doors, see invisible, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | XP: 4743 | Sp: blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 17:02:24 %??killer klown 17:02:24 the code is, of course, also crazy 17:02:25 * floatingatoll flinches 17:02:32 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: named after the movie Killer Klowns from Outer Space presumably 17:02:37 dam: 30(klown) 17:02:49 so, that uses AF_POISON_STRONG 17:02:58 * floatingatoll checks to see if klowns can ranged attack 17:03:29 03floatingatoll02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.15-a0-218-g50329fc: Assert rather than dereference a null in check_your_resists. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=50329fcc3fbb 17:03:32 No. 17:03:32 <|amethyst> AF_* is not used for ranged attacks 17:03:32 wait. 17:03:32 AF_* is melee only? 17:03:32 <|amethyst> yeah 17:03:36 'there is a silent F in melee' 17:03:44 <|amethyst> Attack Flavour 17:04:05 ranged damage would be.. let me guess, BF_* ? 17:04:12 nope. drat. 17:04:19 BEAM. 17:04:20 duh. 17:06:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:06:20 okay, i'm looking at the centaur definition in mon-data.h. how can i tell that it fires arrows from this? 17:06:39 it just says AT_HIT, AF_PLAIN but iirc they have ranged weapon so AF_* doesn't apply and there's no BEAM_ type here. 17:08:36 centaurs fire arrows because they use bows 17:08:53 ah, so i have to find the list of what a given monster will equip somewhere 17:08:58 and then if that contains a beam weapon.. 17:09:43 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:01 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:47 floatinatoll: Monsters can pick up beam weapons. 17:11:11 atoll: There's a tag "Uses somethnig something" which lets them use them. 17:11:26 -!- sd1989 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:11:34 there's an interesting variation between beam poison and melee poison. beam says "x partially resists" and then "x is poisoned", melee says "x poisons y" and then "y partially resists" 17:12:31 Feles (L22 DDFi) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 611: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Elf:1) 17:12:37 atoll: That sort of oddity is no surprising in Crawl. 17:12:40 also, it seems like beam.cc has a bug where if you have no lifeforce and resist poison, it says 'partially resists' and then nothing happens 17:12:54 e.g. poison_monster() is never called, which would be more like 'completely resists' 17:12:57 <|amethyst> Didn't you hear that a foolish consistency is the gnoll pack of little minds 17:13:14 so is poison_monster not supposed to be called at all if ! mons->has_lifeforce() ? 17:13:18 atoll: If a monster has MONUSE_STARTING_EQUIPMENT or MONUSE_WEAPONS_ARMOUR it can use a beam weapon. 17:14:41 <|amethyst> as for centaurs starting with bows, see mon-gear.cc 17:15:32 who is 'bwr' 17:15:37 ??brent ross 17:15:37 brent ross[1/1]: A member of the Crawl 4.0 development team, and sole maintainer of Crawl circa b20. 17:15:47 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: as for the thing with no lifeforce 17:15:56 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: that's because parrow still does damage to things like undead 17:16:02 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: it just doesn't poison them 17:16:11 okay, so then http://atoll.pastebin.mozilla.org/4922773 17:16:23 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: so the message is appropriate: the amount of damage was reduced 17:16:24 oh! 17:16:31 because partially resists isn't just resists *the poison* 17:16:34 but .. also the damage, somehow 17:16:35 ? 17:16:38 <|amethyst> yes 17:16:41 <|amethyst> ??poison arrow 17:16:41 poison arrow[1/1]: Level 6, range 7 conj/poison spell (Annihilations exclusive), inflicts incredible damage, deals 70% resistable damage and poisons poison-resistant natural creatures; the undead cannot be poisoned but still take some damage. 4d53.75 damage at max power (but good luck getting 200 power). 17:16:58 TIL. 17:17:53 ah, and that's why BEAM_POISON differs, because it's 100% resistable damage? 17:18:17 <|amethyst> not necessarily 17:18:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18:24 <|amethyst> but it can't poison things with rPois 17:18:30 * floatingatoll blinks 17:18:47 so *any* rPois is sufficient to resist *all* BEAM_POISON? 17:19:01 no 17:19:02 is that the case with the other damage types too, or unique here? 17:19:08 <|amethyst> It's sufficient to prevent poisoning, for monsters 17:19:10 er, to resist all chance of being poisoned *by* 17:19:13 <|amethyst> it doesn't prevent all the damage 17:19:14 oh 17:19:50 <|amethyst> yeah, rP monsters can only be poisoned by parrow and by AF_POISON_STRONG 17:19:53 am i the only person ever to have asked crazy questions like this? 17:20:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:23 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-217-g70ad64b (34) 17:20:24 |amethyst: and staff of poison/olgreb 17:20:25 -!- RZX is now known as rzimodnar 17:20:30 <|amethyst> oh, right 17:20:48 oh, that's neat 17:20:50 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: no :) 17:20:58 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: no, you are not the only person, I mean 17:21:05 that is comforting. 17:21:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:43 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:23:07 <|amethyst> also, this stuff differs between monsters and players 17:23:10 * floatingatoll nods 17:23:43 <|amethyst> (as do all resistances) 17:23:56 so i found the STAFF_POISON code in melee_attack.cc, which coinflip+some things will poison the target 17:24:11 how does it affect spells, though? 17:24:20 beam spells, that is 17:24:37 <|amethyst> "it"? 17:24:48 it just acts as an enhancer 17:24:52 staff of poison gives a standard BEAM_POISON a chance to poison rPois with lifeforce 17:24:57 i'm trying to figure out how 17:25:03 <|amethyst> it does not 17:25:06 er, what 17:25:18 <|amethyst> staff of poison *melee* can poison rP things 17:25:28 hrm. 17:25:31 "This staff increases the power of poisoning spells cast by its wielder" 17:25:38 <|amethyst> ??enhancer 17:25:39 enhancer[1/1]: Enhancers are things which affect spell power, like a ring of ice, staff of conjuration, or a robe of the archmagi (you feel a surge of power). Negative enhancers include opposite-element staves or rings and {lantern of shadows} (you feel a numb sensation). See {spell power} for what this means. 17:25:46 <|amethyst> ??spell power 17:25:46 spell power[1/5]: (Spellcasting/2 + 2*avg school skill) * INT/10 * (1.5 ^ enhancer count). Now halve the part over 50, halve the part over 100, halve the part over 150, and plain cap at 200. Negative enhancers use 0.5, not 0.66. 17:25:55 ah, so it merely increases the damage of a poison-damage spell 17:26:01 and accuracy etc. 17:26:24 and reading the surrounding items, that's a trend on all of the damage-type staves 17:26:25 atoll: it increases spellpower. This does differant things on each spell. 17:26:38 <|amethyst> duration of summon scorpions, except that doesn't exist 17:26:53 heh 17:27:03 duration of OTR! 17:27:09 <|amethyst> duration of spider form 17:28:11 <|amethyst> actually, maybe I'm misremembering about summon duration and spell power 17:29:04 <|amethyst> ah, no, I was remembering correctly; duration is influenced by power 17:29:51 it would be neat if a staff of energy gave a bonus to melee touch spells, like Confusing Touch 17:30:03 but those are unarmed. 17:30:06 <|amethyst> err 17:30:07 <|amethyst> yeah 17:30:31 <|amethyst> switching to a staff to cast then switching back to attack would be tedious 17:30:36 atoll: "neat" is a hazard in design. Try to give other reasons. 17:31:06 <|amethyst> also, enhancers are currently either universal (Archmagi) or tied to a school 17:31:07 longform, there are staves of fire and ice and poison, each that enhance melee damage done with their corresponding damage type 17:31:20 <|amethyst> no 17:31:32 <|amethyst> they don't enhance melee damage, they *do* melee damage 17:31:42 <|amethyst> they enhance spell power 17:32:30 so, i was browsing the spells list for any that cause a weapon to do additional damage as the result of a spell, since that seems like the sort of thing a staff of energy would be appropriately paired with. 17:32:32 <|amethyst> (spear of the botono does enhance confusing touch; the enchantment-enhancing staff has been gone for a while) 17:32:43 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: those are the branding spells 17:32:48 <|amethyst> floatingatoll: which don't work on staves 17:32:54 or blowguns. 17:33:41 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 17:34:07 ah well. curiosity indulged. 17:34:37 -!- rzimodnar is now known as RZX 17:36:33 does spectral weapon inherit the 'brand' of a weapon as its damage type? 17:37:19 * floatingatoll didn't find anything in fight.cc, melee_attack.cc 17:37:26 brands do carry over to spectral weapon if that's what you mean 17:37:33 ok. 17:37:36 i'll keep looking :) 17:40:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:20 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:51:38 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:59 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:10 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:00:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:04:54 -!- jliou has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:51 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 18:09:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:25 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:11:41 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13:29 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:20:03 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:48 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:26 -!- GDR has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:26 A/j libgroove 18:29:17 -!- fufumann has quit [Quit: und weg...] 18:29:24 jeffro: ??? 18:30:22 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:30:41 -!- Guest31608 is now known as Basil 18:32:18 -!- notclule has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:32:27 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:34:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:57 -!- jeffro has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 18:39:10 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:22 reaverb: sorry, typo 18:44:48 -!- FVG has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:48:21 hmm. should we consider making a new wiki considering the current situation? 18:48:21 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:48:21 -!- us17_ is now known as us17 18:48:21 -!- us17 has quit [Changing host] 18:48:21 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:48:21 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:48:23 TZer0: I'd start by replacing the link on the main site with an explanation about how the wiki is awful and should not be used. 18:48:23 -!- ivan`` has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:48:24 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:37 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:39 I'm don't really think the current wiki is redeemable but I'm also not sure if a new wiki would be better. I think that what any wiki project needs is to have a main list of commits, where a contributer has to mark each commit after editting the relevant pages. 18:48:58 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:07 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 18:49:59 I was really laughing at the entries in badwiki 18:50:05 that's really just not the scope of the current wiki though; commit reivew is an admirable goal, but what we're using it for is just a more permanent space to write out ideas for situations where that's useful 18:50:17 the wiki not being "endorsed" by being on the develz front page would be excellent yes 18:50:24 i think they're talking about the non-dev wiki, wrong channel really 18:50:46 also that 18:50:48 MarvinPA: well. yeah.. 18:50:58 is it the wrong channel though? 18:50:59 !tell TZer0 You need more messages. 18:51:00 Grunt: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 18:51:02 yeah, any ideas about that wiki really would be better placed to the wiki team: Moogledan in particular 18:51:16 gammafunk: including "don't use it" 18:51:20 "don't link to it" 18:51:22 etc.? 18:51:26 !messages 18:51:27 (1/1) Grunt said (26s ago): You need more messages. 18:51:38 it's not even wiki 18:51:39 SamB: Personally I think that's wrong-headed, and that the wiki is widely used by new players for a reason 18:51:42 well it's not hosted by or administrated by or contributed to by any devs as far as i know 18:51:47 but certainly people are entitled to their opinions 18:52:03 gammafunk: a reason like the fact that we link to it? 18:52:09 MarvinPA: sure, but it contains some pretty wild information.. 18:52:18 SamB: One sort of bad thing is that it tops the search for "crawl wiki" 18:52:26 for some strange reason 18:52:31 if we didn't link, maybe it would not top that search 18:52:33 TZer0: It mostly contains correct information, and yes it contains bad information like all information sources 18:52:36 ha 18:52:55 I don't linking to it or not from CDO has much relevance at all 18:52:57 anyway we should have a real, wiki, wiki 18:53:10 learndb contains a lot of bad and out of date info too for example, yes 18:53:12 which can be edited by normalish people 18:53:38 yes, normal people, who go on irc all the time 18:53:40 learndb also doesn't have change hsitory 18:53:40 in tyool 2014 18:53:51 oh sorry that's your point 18:53:53 misread you 18:53:56 Well both the sources we have can be edited by normal people; the wiki people are happy to correct inaccuracies when those are pointed out 18:54:13 <|amethyst> would it really be better if the top result for "crawl wiki" were the devel wiki? 18:54:14 gammafunk: that's still not proper wiki ... 18:54:27 -!- MgDark_MiBe has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 18:54:40 ... can't someone make a cc-by wiki on wikia or something? 18:54:42 SamB: I don't think some nebulous goal of having a "true wiki" is all that relevant; it's just an easilly accessible, resonably accurate information source 18:54:49 |amethyst: That wouldn't really help the people who would make that search unfortunately 18:54:50 |amethyst: Ideally to top result for crawl wiki would be a page explaining not to use the crawl wiki. 18:55:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140325030201]] 18:55:02 ?/eronarn. 18:55:03 Matching entries (19): bat_form[2] | casmith789[5] | devteam_old[5] | embarrassing_deaths[10] | eronarn[1] | eronarn[3] | eronarn[4] | eronarn[9] | eronarn[10] | eronarn[12] | eronarn[14] | hastur[3] | hilarious_deaths[47] | hybrid[5] | lava_orc[5] | lava_orc[7] | lava_orc[8] | multirobin[2] | multirobin[3] 18:55:24 <|amethyst> reaverb: and directing people to learndb because that is much better maintained and has more accurate and comprehensive information? 18:55:32 |amethyst: of course not 18:56:10 |amethyst: That's would be fine if it mentioned neither source was infaliable. 18:56:11 <|amethyst> so where *should* people go to learn how to play crawl? 18:56:20 Of couse the best place is to ask question on ##crawl. 18:56:21 The tutorial! 18:56:48 I think the answer is: wherever you find consistantly useful information in a format you like 18:56:53 <|amethyst> the tutorial doesn't really teach you how to get to lair or get your first rune, does it? 18:56:58 some people like irc, some tavern, som the wiki 18:57:00 Dunno 18:57:02 anyway this comes up occasionally and people complain that there should be a better wiki and then nobody actually sets up the better wiki 18:57:02 I never used it 18:57:20 <|amethyst> I think the information on the wiki is pretty good, and better than it once was 18:57:28 so it seems like the need for a better wiki is not yet at the point where people are willing to do the work of making a better wiki exist 18:57:35 <|amethyst> on average, probably no less accurate than learndb 18:57:47 right, and I don't think trying to take a stance that's hostile to the wiki is unhelpful unless a better source of information emerges 18:57:54 er 18:58:02 s/don't think/think/ 18:58:08 Weren't the old awful guides pushed to some category that says "don't use these"? 18:58:12 or is that still in the works 18:58:50 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:58:50 from what I've seen, some of the guides have been updated recently, and all have a large disclaimer in red saying "these are players' specific viewpoints, caution" 18:59:09 <|amethyst> My only problem with the wiki is the same as SamB's complaint: you have to beg someone to get an account 18:59:35 <|amethyst> I understand why---I dealt with a fair amount of spam when I contributed 18:59:35 |amethyst: I asked months ago. 18:59:40 yeah, those guys were toying with the idea of a guest editing account, not sure what's up with that 18:59:46 still hasn't been fixed because of some problems in the mail-system.. 18:59:48 <|amethyst> then they moved servers, deleted my user page, and I said "fuck that" 18:59:56 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 18:59:57 TZer0: I got an account promptly when I emailed the wiki address 19:00:05 <|amethyst> they still use my spl-data.h parser though 19:00:08 Really the wiki and learndb potentially just have about the same problems 19:00:21 gammafunk: yeah, but they messed up when making my user 19:00:30 and they still havn't got a hold of the guy who can fix it 19:00:37 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: except the learndb also has the problem that everything has to fit into a tweet 19:00:40 So if one ends up in a better state than the other one from time to time it's not too shocking 19:01:03 I don't necessarily think that's a problem but there are downsides to it 19:01:24 mmm, is the account bit still restricted? 19:01:25 #sigmundagain #itemdestruction #devsgetittogether 19:01:31 It limits the sorts of things you can do, but short advice is also a lot easier to understand if you are keeping the junk out 19:01:43 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:02 ??tweetsprint 19:02:02 tweetsprint[1/1]: 140-character sprint map by nooodl: http://bpaste.net/raw/117966/ 19:02:08 who would ever need more characters than that 19:02:08 Febuary the 19th.. that's when my initial request to get an account was sent 19:02:10 I need to try that map some time 19:02:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:17 At least I would hold that to be true, some people probably would say they'd like a longer explanation from time to time 19:02:37 TZer0: register.crawlwiki@gmail.com 19:02:44 gammafunk: .. I know 19:02:49 I've been talking to the guy 19:02:56