00:00:50 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-b1-12-g1e0207d 00:02:00 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.1-37-gb6f4c13 00:04:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-29-ga6b5f5a (34) 00:06:40 -!- galehar has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:07:43 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:11:05 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:05 -!- godzilla has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:22:54 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:25:46 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:25:55 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:26:08 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:26 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:32:41 03gammafunk02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-41-ga4cf7ba: Let it revert in Hellfire! Bring back old Vehumet 10(17 minutes ago, 25 files, 113+ 351-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4cf7ba1ab68 00:33:58 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:36:07 -!- ChokoHair is now known as Segue 00:36:16 -!- Segue is now known as Sequelle 00:39:13 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:42:38 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43:48 i hope he gives warding 00:43:57 did he do that? 00:44:47 %git e7514fb6833394a 00:44:48 07pointless_02 {Keskitalo} * 0.6.0-a0-779-ge7514fb: Vehumet modifications. Remove the warding effect, replace it with extended range for conjurations spells. Starting at **** piety reduce the cost of high level (>=5) conjurations and summonings spells by 1. 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 6 files, 34+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7514fb68333 00:45:16 hah. Well players would prefer extended range I think 00:45:45 pfft tough for them 00:45:59 at what point does nostalgia become 0.4 00:46:07 -!- xFleury_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:46:09 they'd also prefer hydras not to be speed 15 i'm sure! 00:46:12 0.4, or Crawl 4.1 00:46:18 imo change the "* Demigods lose fast metabolism, get better stat gain." entry 00:46:25 dcss 0.4 != Crawl 4.1 00:46:52 I guess it is kind of a mix 00:48:45 "* [1567625] Moths++." sounds intriguing 00:48:56 oh yeah 00:49:00 bring back polymoths] 00:49:29 (please don't bring back old!trog 00:49:43 what's a trog 00:51:32 also, is tornado range 6 now 00:51:42 another thing it has when it was first implemented 00:53:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140324030203]] 00:54:33 We're not nostalgic for originaltornado; we're nostalgic for overpoweredtornado. <3 00:56:00 use summons and tornado at the same time for the ultimate in nostalgia experience 00:56:41 have we removed randomized energy yet 00:58:07 fr summon tornado 00:58:18 Summon Twister 00:58:20 (rip) 00:58:24 (also removing vehumet's range increase is fine as long as you remove spell range in general) 00:58:36 (let me LCS EVERYTHING in LOS) 00:59:09 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:55 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:00:01 uh, what's a minitomb 01:00:03 ??minitomb 01:00:03 ossuary[1/2]: An early game portal to a miniature tomb, stuffed with mummies and zombies and traps and things. The portal is timed and will eventually close on its own. 01:00:06 oh 01:00:22 ...eta until the name spontaniously changes? 01:00:30 something with miniummies 01:02:52 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:01 also what happened to SE 01:03:12 how am I supposed to streak 5 separate elves in a row 01:03:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:38 -!- krzysz00 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:03:47 ??greaterelves 01:03:47 I don't have a page labeled greaterelves in my learndb. 01:04:10 SE is in nostalgia 01:04:58 although at first Grunt didn't let them choose any background. One wonders if he truly loves sludge elves! 01:05:03 oh 01:05:14 oh god 01:05:16 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:05:20 can we bring back Crusaders 01:05:23 complete with berserk rage spell 01:05:38 * Lightli is overcome by nostalgia and dies 01:05:49 We might want to put together some kind of short changelog for this 01:06:01 * Unremove fun. 01:06:24 Not sure if we should link it anywhere 01:06:43 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:07:18 Perhaps just an april 1st CDO post that referes to a "new direction" for crawl 01:07:24 and gives a short list of the changes 01:10:51 "You were right all along, having 3 dwarves and 5 elves really does improve the game" 01:10:59 * Sequelle corpseslaps gammafunk. 01:11:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:11:43 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:52 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:30 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:44 -!- gnum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:03 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:30 gammafunk: I have a CDO post on standby. 01:15:41 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:51 ??lugafu 01:16:51 hair stats[1/1]: extremely bad hair <10, awful hair <30, poor hair <60, choko hair <90, normal hair <120, quite good hair<160, very nice hair<220, extreme hair<300, extraordinary hair <400, incredible hair <520, uncanny hair <700, almost entirely hair >=700 01:17:04 who is lugafu anyways 01:17:40 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:18:29 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 01:19:45 -!- raskol has quit [Changing host] 01:23:07 ?/trog 01:23:08 Matching terms (11): hand_of_trog, leotrogsky, trog, trog's_hand, trog's_vigour, trog_challenge, trog_reasons, trog_wrath, troglodyte, trogs_hand, wrath_of_trog; entries (69): agra[2] | anagram[3] | ancient_lich[2] | archl[1] | berserk[1] | berserk[2] | berserk[3] | berserk[6] | berserker[1] | berserker_challenge[1] | berserker_reasons[1] | blown_up_by[3] | brothers_in_arms[1] | brothers_in_arms[2... 01:23:14 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 01:23:46 ... 01:23:57 Guys, we forgot the most overpowered thing of all 01:24:05 Tomb as a player spell 01:24:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:36 (is that too overpowered even FOR this branch?) 01:24:41 no 01:24:45 _perma_-tomb 01:25:48 ...oh fuck 01:25:58 and we just removed Dig as a player spell too 01:26:16 oh wait formicids 01:28:09 wait, what about smite targetting 01:30:01 does it go back to not caring about walls so we can fire storm stuff on the other side of glass? 01:30:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:24 Grunt: You are my Hero as always 01:30:52 ??? 01:30:53 I don't have a page labeled ? in my learndb. Did you mean: !, #, &, ', *, +, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, d, o, t, u, v, ©. 01:31:04 wait 01:31:15 what did MD have over other races anyways 01:31:25 over HD, nothing i believe 01:32:58 wait 01:33:08 HD was a better MD and yet it got removed first? 01:33:25 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:02 maybe we could bring back all the old weapon types 01:34:18 like ankuses 01:34:32 ?/lochaber 01:34:32 Matching terms (1): lochaber_axe; entries (2): bardiche[1]: This polearm is an enormous combination of pike and battle axe. Damage 18, accuracy -6, delay 20, damage type: chopping. Was called lochaber axe prior to 0.4. Will always be called lochaber axe in cbus's heart. | cbus[6]: Walks around with a lochaber axe stuck in his heart. 01:34:44 good enough 01:35:40 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:34 also, best nostalgia idea 01:39:41 let the regen spell work on DD again 01:41:34 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:11 ok, I tossed around enough nostalgia, time to sleep 01:44:35 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:44:47 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:04 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:45:33 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:45:33 -!- sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:46:46 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:24 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53:13 oh wait, unnerf slaying 01:53:15 now to sleep 01:53:17 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 01:59:23 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:59:58 -!- tali713 has left ##crawl-dev 02:05:40 -!- nrook has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:59 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 02:06:02 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:25 -!- minmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:39 03wheals02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-42-gac6fdfa: Remove lochaber axes from people's hearts and replace bardiches with them. 10(3 minutes ago, 30 files, 50+ 50-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac6fdfacce30 02:12:36 -!- Sequelle is now known as dog 02:12:44 -!- dog is now known as wolf 02:12:51 -!- wolf is now known as canid 02:13:08 -!- canid is now known as canididie 02:13:30 -!- moonprincess has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 02:15:18 i guess i lied about spammals being my only thing for nostalgia 02:15:40 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:16:51 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.13.1-37-gb6f4c13 02:18:00 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:18:50 03MarvinPA02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-43-gb5e4c21: Bring back an unforgettable trap type 10(7 minutes ago, 11 files, 120+ 72-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5e4c2172cc7 02:19:15 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:23:35 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-29-ga6b5f5a (34) 02:24:52 nice 02:30:27 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:31:28 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:34:05 I'm *really* not sure that one qualifies as nostalgia :P 02:35:37 what version was it from? 02:35:43 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:20 %git a1b82e6be0343a691d342b48dd9f9076ad53453a 02:36:20 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.4-a0-228-ga1b82e6: Removed amnesia/forgetfullness trap, mutation and scroll. The mutation has been replaced with an involuntary shouting mutation, and the trap with an alarm trap. The scroll hasn't been replaced with anything, and the frequency of scrolls of random uselessness has thus doubled; someone needs to re-do the scroll frequencies. 10(6 years ago, 20 files, 173+ 72-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1b82e6be034 02:36:28 0.4-a 02:37:08 ??rebuild 02:37:09 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 02:39:17 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:57 wow MarvinPA 02:44:11 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:51 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:49:05 I like this version of nostalgia, it's good to remember why the good old days are a bitter lie 02:49:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:21 we could just not have the bad stuff :P 02:50:40 i also cant wait for people to want some of the things back! jesters were quite loved and some were disappointed when they found out they actually werent staying 02:51:40 Of course they didn't stay because they were wildly overpowered but forget that 02:51:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:06 Granted there were inherent risks and that is why my jester won worshipping Lugonu 02:52:23 mdre were also rather overpowered i hear 02:52:43 Obviously 02:53:13 mdre, the dgwn for people who complain about removals 02:53:30 Two Nostalgia requests involving Zot Traps. (1) Add back the D:1 vaults that having Zot traps and demons that need /digging to reach. (2) Allow Zot traps to banish you when enemies walk on them (on the opposite side of the map)? 02:53:39 ??md 02:53:39 hill orc[1/5]: Like a {mountain dwarf} but better and exists, try "!apt HO". Also, can worship {beogh}. And they're saprovorous, which is nice. 02:55:11 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:55:12 simmarine: should I restore jesters then? 02:55:22 it felt a bit too meta 02:55:25 haha 02:55:30 probably not yes 02:57:18 someday they'll be back 02:57:41 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:58:01 Francis, Duane and Jozef put back in yet? 02:59:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:00:47 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:02:31 Please tell me Rock Worms (aren't) being put back in. >_< 03:03:14 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:03:15 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:00 * johnstein is trying to build 0.14 for the first time 03:04:22 looks like things are frozen from the rebuild page 03:04:27 * johnstein waits 03:05:05 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:07 -!- rast- is now known as rast 03:05:21 On the other hand...A rock worm caused my first Lair:8 death in a weird way that's worth missing. 03:05:38 I should have asked this before I started, but when there's a new version, I need to create a new rcfiles directory for it, but do I need to populate it with the new default rcfile? 03:05:46 or does the build process automatically handle that? 03:06:41 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:29 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:44 the git repo says it's currently on the stone_soup-0.14 branch, so that's good news 03:08:46 yay 03:09:52 Webtiles server restarted. 03:10:11 ugh. 03:10:13 ugh 03:10:14 ugh 03:10:19 * canididie dies. 03:18:42 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:20:25 -!- canididie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:25:06 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-b1-12-g1e0207d 03:25:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:27:06 |amethyst: TZer0: (or anyone that knows). How do I populate the 0.14 rcfiles folder? 03:27:59 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:30:23 Webtiles server restarted. 03:31:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:32:21 -!- agenius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:33:42 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:42:38 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:45:56 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:40 -!- Kaput_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:58 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56:28 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:57:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:27 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:11:40 -!- canididie has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:08 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:17:10 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:21 -!- xFleury has left ##crawl-dev 04:19:19 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:22 Morning 04:20:54 I'm looking for some info with regard to helping with crawl's localization 04:21:27 Does everything goes through Transifex, or are they mailing lists that I should subscribe to? 04:21:32 s/they/there/ 04:22:13 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:45 jellybane (L25 HESt) ASSERT(!constricting) in 'monster.cc' at line 137 failed. (Snake:4) 04:24:00 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:16 jellybane (L25 HESt) ASSERT(!constricting) in 'monster.cc' at line 137 failed. (Snake:4) 04:36:41 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37:03 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:13 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:40:23 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:45:44 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:18 galehar: BTW I got an error with the French translation of the "Breath Fire" ability. I died soon after so I can't reproduce it now :-) 04:48:37 galehar: Looking at the French translation on Tx, I don't see what could have caused the issue. Maybe the indentation? This string also has an unneeded dot in the Red Draconian-specific part, but that shouldn't break anything. 04:52:18 -!- Bodrick has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:28 -!- Bodrick_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:33 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:06 Hm, now item descs are been looked at, ?vuln could probably use being more descriptive about what it does, particularly about its range of effect. 05:03:46 Current desc "This scroll cancels all magical enchantments from the reader and from beings in the vicinity. It also briefly halves the resistance to hostile enchantments of the reader and nearby beings[...]" doesn't really imply it affects everything in your LoS like it actually does. 05:04:33 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:04:58 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:19 -!- Bodrick_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:13:08 -!- canididie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:18:32 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.1-37-gb6f4c13 05:23:06 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:25:32 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 05:32:20 -!- canididie has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:32 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:10 Are there bardings of jumping (Centaur or Naga)? 05:39:34 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:39:51 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 05:40:26 I'm pretty sure there are not 05:42:34 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:53 Centaur I can see. A jumping Naga...wel that's just hilarious and...well if you want to... 'crawl realism' and all. 05:45:59 dunno, some snakes can jump, sort of 05:47:50 although in crawl terms that would probably consist mostly of awkwardly smacking into an adjacent tile 05:53:09 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:00:25 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:04:09 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:55 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18:06 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:07 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:29:52 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:38:17 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:45:39 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 06:46:03 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:43 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 06:52:57 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:02 You guys are sick :) 06:53:02 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:53:29 Lucy! Lugafu!! :P Did you even bring the Tomb of Dorokhloe spell back? 06:55:49 -!- pantaril_ is now known as pantaril 06:56:51 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 07:03:06 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:05:04 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:18 -!- lessens_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:09:21 -!- orcus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:10:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:30 -!- debo has quit [Client Quit] 07:23:30 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:18 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:36:51 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:46:14 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:49:14 -!- Lord-Heini has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:51:47 -!- Akien has quit [Quit: Quitte] 07:56:46 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:00:09 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:02:12 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:02 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:45 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:05 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 08:08:52 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:09:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:09:09 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:56 dpeg! 08:12:56 canididie!! 08:12:56 * canididie switches nick back to normal. 08:12:56 -!- canididie is now known as Bcadren 08:12:56 I got into some switching earlier. 08:12:56 Bcadren: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:13:04 !messages 08:13:04 (1/3) wheals said (2d 23h 23m 58s ago): i actually went lucy in an abyss altar for once! I was with xom, so i figured i didn't really have too much to lose 08:13:23 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [] 08:13:28 wheals: do it more often :) Consider it as an opportunity to playtest god wraths! 08:13:52 !tell wheals Do [god] --> Lugonu in the Abyss more often :) Consider it as an opportunity to playtest god wraths! :) 08:13:53 dpeg: OK, I'll let wheals know. 08:13:55 !messages 08:13:56 (1/2) MarvinPA said (2d 15h 32m 30s ago): i would prefer chei not get more special-casing for portal vault timers, dealing with those is just one of the consequences of being slow. abyss and orb run are already slightly awkward exceptions due to not being optional, that's not a problem here: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4832 08:14:21 MarvinPA: yes, I saw your comment on the forum and, as you'll have noted, didn't push the issue any further. 08:14:24 !messages 08:14:24 (1/1) MarvinPA said (2d 15h 32m 20s ago): elliptic's comment there applies similarly i think 08:14:27 Mine was: (1/1) rchandra said (5h 9m 43s ago): I like your fruit proposal a lot more than the usual one (all fruit become one). [I read it in PM in case it was something bad.] 08:14:39 haha 08:15:12 if MarvinPA keeps streamlining, the fruits are doomed :) 08:16:07 Topic was almost immediately closed, because MarvinPA had already requested patches for the basic single fruit one; but here: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11584 08:16:50 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:17:45 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:20:00 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:20:00 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:05 I also just posted a god idea to CYC that was so...weird I knew it couldn't be accepted but the core idea for/from it I'm trying to push is the idea of a god or race that can (or is only able to) learn abilities and spells through eating enemy brains (like a brain worm). 08:21:19 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:20 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:50 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:37 Arielle (L1 HEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:26:38 nekonekoinu (L20 HEHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Shoals:4) 08:26:38 iafm (L11 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:10) 08:26:39 JoggingBear (L6 HaHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 08:26:40 Hisar (L1 DsIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:26:43 jike (L8 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:27:09 Seshiro (L13 MuFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:6) 08:27:10 Tossi (L11 GrCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:1) 08:27:10 JoggingBear (L5 HaHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 08:27:11 iafm (L11 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:10) 08:27:17 MorandSA (L13 HOFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:3) 08:27:18 grohoret (L1 NaVM) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:27:19 jike (L8 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:27:25 Arielle (L1 HEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:27:25 Malog (L4 VpEn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:27:26 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:27:31 Hisar (L1 DsIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:31:52 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:49 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:47:46 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:49:26 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:56:26 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56:35 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:58:12 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 10.0/20120129021758]] 09:00:38 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:04:39 -!- andagi has quit [Client Quit] 09:05:32 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:39 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:41 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:06:41 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:45 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:01 !tell Grunt If you want the full broken old-school experience, be sure to make earth elementals work like they did :) 09:11:25 !seen Grunt 09:13:53 Hey dpeg: what's your take on the design goals for wanderers? 09:18:38 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:03 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:25 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:47 Lasty: not much, really. Wanderers are in awkward place, but I am fine with keeping them. 09:28:16 dpeg: ah. I actually am a huge fan of wanderers. I'd like to make them have a more consistent power level, but I get the sense that elliptic likes that there's a range of possible power levels for wanderers. I'm trying to see if there's a united dev team sense of what the goal of wanderers is 09:30:54 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:31:11 For example, I don't know if the dev team likes a broader set of possible starting layouts or a narrower one, and I don't know if they like a wide range of starting power levels or a narrower one. 09:31:39 I don't think it's a goal to have large power variety. 09:32:19 If I understand elliptic right, he's just saying that work spend making wanderers uniformly strong is slightly wasted :) 09:32:36 (I.e. it's hard and prone to become obsolete with any change.) 09:33:13 -!- onto has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:33:28 Oh, I see. If that's true, that's fine, because I'm fine w/ wasting my time on it. I suppose he might object the possibility of setting a standard for level of wanderer balance that would need to be maintained, if, as you say, it is prone to become obsolete quickly 09:34:21 perfectly uniform strength is probably too much to hope for, but reducing obvious and large power imbalances seems good to me 09:37:01 Lasty: you misunderstand me completely... it isn't a goal to have large variance of power level, I just don't think it is a goal to have as small variance of power level as possible 09:37:54 elliptic: ah, sorry. I don't mean to misrepresent you. 09:38:02 i.e. there are other things that are more important, like having a good variety of play experience 09:38:38 like, if all wanderers had the same starting gear, then that would succeed in making wanderers uniformly strong 09:38:41 but it would obviously be bad 09:38:49 agreed 09:39:06 I'm definitely interested in preserving the wide variety of wanderer starts 09:39:45 -!- orcus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:39:58 But I do wonder about the value of offering starts w/ a +1/+1 short sword versus (say) a +3/+3 short sword, or (more dramatically) a +3/+3 quarterstaff. 09:40:24 well, I did suggest changing the starting weapon from +1-3 to +1-2 09:40:59 so I'm not sure why you think I am opposed to all such changes 09:41:20 I didn't think you were opposed to all such changes 09:42:02 Honestly, I'm just trying to get a sense of what the goals of the design for the background are so that I can try to enhance those goals 09:42:58 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:59 for example, how would you feel about having the good_item weapons be +1 versions of the new Fighter weaponset? 09:43:17 That would increase the diversity of kits and also even things out a bit 09:43:34 I think that wouldn't work very well from a gameplay standpoint because wanderers tend to have less focused skills than fighters 09:43:54 so they would have these slow weapons with less starting skill 09:43:57 But the fighter weapons are just better regardless of your weapon skills 09:44:08 well 09:44:09 that doesn't mean the gameplay would be better 09:44:24 I suppose they aren't necessarily better than +3 versions of the weaker weapons 09:44:37 Would the gameplay be worse? 09:45:02 that is what I said, no? 09:45:05 I might be wrong 09:45:13 but you asked how I felt about it 09:45:30 I don't mean to hammer on any of these points -- I'm mostly just trying understand your position. I'm not wedded to any of these proposals I'm making. 09:45:43 in this case, waiting a bit longer to see how well those weapons work for fighter/gladiator seems reasonable to me 09:45:51 That's fair 09:45:52 before giving them to Wn also 09:46:21 rip Sequell? 09:46:49 Okay, different tack: how would you feel about making the wanderer good_items always be +2? It seems like part of the way the kit is constructed is to give slightly better than average equipment overall to account for the way skills/attributes will lack synergy 09:47:16 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:48:19 %git 09:48:19 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-29-ga6b5f5a: Fix some issues with TAG_MAJOR_VERSION > 34. 10(10 hours ago, 3 files, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6b5f5a65f59 09:48:54 it would feel less random-y, but be more likely to provide an acceptable starting weapon. 09:51:23 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:41 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:53 Maybe I should be asking more questions before propose these things. What's good about the existing wanderer starting kits, and what's bad? 09:52:34 Lasty: I could certainly see the starting good weapons all being exactly +2, yeah 09:53:20 I do think there is some value in the current status with some weapons being +1 and some being +3, since those games really play out differently from each other (and I think that having games play out differently from each other is the main thing about Wn) 09:54:08 I certainly do agree that having each Wn game play out differently should be the paramount design goal for wanderers 09:54:36 but +3 is probably stronger than we should be giving out, and the difference between +1 and +2 is less large, and I like simplifying things 09:55:26 Cool. I like that. 09:56:43 I get the sense that you like the starting powerful consumables. Could you tell me more about what you like about that? 10:02:39 I think the main thing I dislike about the existing wanderer starting kits is that some of them just end up with no offense other than a +0 dagger or club 10:03:05 agreed 10:03:07 that's pretty awful 10:03:26 I do like starting with consumables, mainly just for the variety 10:03:44 it is a totally different type of starting edge to give 10:03:52 elliptic: that's a good point, yes 10:04:25 Do you agree that it's good that wanderers get better-than-average items in their starting kit? 10:05:13 -!- himajinn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:05:15 I think it is good that lucky wanderers get starting gear/skills that other backgrounds might envy, yes 10:06:01 like a starting book *and* another spell, or a +2 weapon, or even a +2 weapon + a spell memorized 10:06:43 wanderers shouldn't feel like "pick a random background and then make a bad version of it" 10:06:53 agreed 10:07:23 they should feel like "pick a random background and then be better in some ways but worse in others" 10:07:48 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:51 At the moment, I usually feel like I got a "bad" version background when I get one of the consumables, since it usually takes the place of a decent form of offense. 10:10:03 But I agree that the consumables are interesting. 10:10:15 well, you are getting something that the other background doesn't 10:10:19 "consumables" 10:10:40 agreed 10:10:57 maybe if the minimum offensive option was less bad it wouldn't feel so problematic. 10:11:30 I agree they might be underpowered, at least when you are getting the consumable(s) as "good" equipment rather than "viable" equipment 10:11:37 yeah, exactly 10:11:44 that's what I mean 10:12:41 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:44 one thing that doesn't help is that the skills they are associated with are less useful for the most part 10:12:50 agreed 10:13:45 I guess being associated with unarmed or with dodging seem okay to me (though having a better weapon or something in the case of dodging might be good) 10:13:56 Here're some possible solutions: 1) good_item short blade being a cutlass, and giving a short sword to players who have no other offense instead of club/dagger. 2) When you get a random consumable, you also get a random low-power ring or +0 auxillary armour. 10:14:22 I think the dodging leather armour + maybe nets solution is decent 10:14:32 I sort of think that Wn should never start with invo skill 10:14:34 fwiw 10:14:39 I can get behind that 10:14:42 it's pretty awful 10:14:52 because it is always useless at game start, and we wouldn't let the player train it themselves... 10:15:05 Seems sound to me 10:16:06 W/o Invo, the 1-shot options are Dodging, Stealth, and UC. UC is a semi-viable skill and a weapon, so the consumable feels pretty useful. Dodging can be adjusted as previously discussed. Stealth could give the consumable and also a modestly-enchanted dagger, which isn't an awful early-game weapon 10:16:46 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:59 yeah, maybe +2 dagger with one consumable for stealth 10:17:28 two consumables for UC 10:18:12 I like that design. I'll try to whip up a patch for it soon. 10:18:34 (I know even the best form of this patch wouldn't get pushed for a fair while) 10:19:50 oh, right, currently decent_equipment doesn't actually include any consumables 10:20:26 I keep thinking it does, but instead it has a lot of slots that don't do anything 10:20:35 :\ 10:20:54 since dodging+stealth also do nothing as well as UC/evo 10:21:04 (the player gets a robe regardless) 10:21:16 yeah 10:21:32 I didn't even look at the issues w/ decent_item 10:22:13 most of decent_item is very weak aside from getting a random spell memorized 10:22:13 at one point these were giving curing potions/tele scrolls, based on comments 10:22:25 plain qs or crossbow is pretty solid 10:22:41 they used to be giving knowledge of curing potions/tele scrolls but not actually giving out any 10:22:50 oh, haha 10:22:54 that's awkward 10:23:35 even Evo gives nothing 10:23:54 yeah, +0 weapon is at least a step up from the dagger/club, and can be pretty good for some types 10:24:01 yeah 10:25:40 anyway maybe decent_equipment could be changed to replace some of those slots that don't do anything with single consumables (maybe from a more restricted list) or +1 robe or something 10:25:46 yeah 10:25:54 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:26:05 Evo could give a wand from the good item list but w/ fewer charges 10:27:20 or it could just always be random effects 10:27:46 good consumables: fear, blinking, heal wounds, haste, berserk. Decent consumables: curing, teleport, resistance, immolation, lignification? 10:27:51 random effects works 10:28:33 I would just give curing/teleport of those, maybe lignification if you want one more 10:28:43 -!- Celsitudo has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:28:51 I like adding lig to the list. It's pretty strong early on, and it's interesting. 10:28:56 immolation is too easy for players to kill themselves with at XL 1, resistance is too useless in early game 10:29:03 good points 10:29:07 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:29:39 deck of wonders 10:29:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:29:42 lol 10:29:54 got to teach players about decks 10:30:13 elliptic: I'm going to update the mantis ticket w/ what we've discussed so far. Please let me know if you approve of my summary. 10:30:19 sure 10:31:04 gammafunk: that's what jesters were for 10:31:20 Also, just got a message of feedback from cerebovssquire: 10:31:29 Hi, thanks for the message. While I have technically played a lot of Wn, I think what you want is someone who plays Wn as it is meant to be played - as in, tries to play each Wn and adapts to random starts - rather than myself, who quits most Wn and plays mostly the Wn that can be played effectively in a Fi/Gl style. 10:31:40 I really just play them for a chance a godless melee start with an enchanted weapon or an enchanted xbow, not because I want to adapt to random starts. Like you say yourself, the Fighting/weapon Wn are very good and I mostly play these ones - though occasionally I play Wn that start with a book, but only if they have both a strong book and decent Int, but mostly I quit these ones. 10:31:40 Another thing I like are wand Wn, but they, while good, are worse than Ar, so they aren't a reason to play Wn, just a good enough replacement for melee/xbow Wn in my eyes. 10:31:40 That being said, with your Wn changes I would be more motivated to play non-melee/xbow Wn and that seems positive to me. I don't feel qualified to give much more feedback than that though. 10:31:44 (end message) 10:32:53 -!- krzysz00 has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:32 elliptic: is this right? Good_equipment Dodging is +2 leather or +0 leather and 2-4 nets. Armour is +2 scale or +0 scale and +0 helmet. 10:34:35 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:43 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:35:11 +0 scale and +0 helmet still feels pretty weak to me to be honest 10:35:41 Should I do +2 scale only, or +1 scale and +0 helmet, or +0 scale and +0 helmet and +0 cloak, or something else? 10:35:55 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:50 maybe just +2 scale only, since that also avoids weirdnesses with species who can't wear helmets 10:36:57 good point 10:37:18 added the summary 10:38:15 good_equipment UC is already 2 consumables 10:38:40 there was also some talk of good_equipment Stealth being +2 dagger + 1 consumable 10:38:53 !messages 10:38:53 No messages for TZer0. 10:39:18 Oh, right 10:39:50 Are you sure that currently UC is 2 good consumables? that's not what I found in testing. 10:39:55 Perhaps that code is slightly buggy 10:41:07 I have no time today (or this week actually) but a random idea I always wanted to throw around: wanderers could get minor rings (+1 AC / EV / Str / Dex / Int) 10:41:14 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41:46 Lasty: it is certainly intended to give 2, but maybe the code isn't working, yes 10:42:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:42:29 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 10:42:42 dpeg: tell me more about these broken earth elementals! 10:42:48 dpeg: +1 stat rings do very close to nothing; +1 ac/ev would be useful tho. +2 stat / + 1 ac/ev is probably closer to useful. Under what conditions would they be given? 10:42:49 dpeg: that could be reasonable as a decent_equipment for some of the skills that don't have one, yeah 10:43:25 Lasty: halving stat numbers (keeping the same effect) is on the 0.15 plan, so it might happen 10:43:33 ah, ok 10:43:36 in which case +1 str/int/dex would be more reasonable 10:44:05 elliptic: the rings could be added to the decent consumable list, and slightly stronger ones could be on the good_equipment consumable list 10:44:41 (by which I mean, granted randomly in circumstances that would otherwise produce consumables) 10:46:00 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:23 well, I'm not sure about having stronger ones on good_equipment 10:47:31 -!- Xiberia_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:54 Grunt: someone (maybe heteroy) startes using old-stone of earth to clear Elf:$ without ever setting foot in there 10:48:01 since the AC/EV ones aren't really different from enchanted armour, and the stat ones have more potential to be useless 10:48:20 elliptic: yes, of course. It's just one more trinket to hand out 10:49:13 elliptic: true, but they're a slightly better form of enchanted armour than the other enchanted armour. A +2 ring of AC is probably about equal to a starting +2 scale mail. 10:49:44 if it is about equal, I'd rather give the actual armour - more direct 10:49:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:56 fair enough 10:50:25 but as decent_equipment it seems less redundant (since you might already have enchanted armour) 10:50:28 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâ€¦] 10:50:40 fair point 10:54:08 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:54:46 it would also remain useful for slightly longer, probably 10:55:02 that 10:55:10 that's why I was thinking the major might be interesting 10:56:41 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:02:49 -!- Syneil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:03:34 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:20 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:30 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:51 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:15 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:16:25 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-b1-12-g1e0207d 11:23:08 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:40 -!- Nunya has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:49 -!- Nunya has quit [Client Quit] 11:24:06 -!- Nunya has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:59 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-44-ga4cbfbd: Revive monstrous mimics. 10(5 minutes ago, 6 files, 28+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4cbfbda047d 11:29:01 yessss 11:29:08 now, boost constriction to maximum power 11:29:11 let mimics reign 11:30:18 -!- pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:31:58 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:03 Grunt: has Divinations already be reestablished? 11:35:16 dpeg: nope! 11:35:35 dpeg: I'm kind of reluctant to reintroduce spells, because that would mean the awesome state of the St spellbook would go away. 11:38:40 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:41:18 ok! 11:42:41 -!- ach has quit [Client Quit] 11:45:13 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:52:55 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:41 -!- Isasaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:54:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:55:03 -!- Z_LAMP_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:01:49 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:26 !learn add nostalgia You guys are sick :) 12:02:26 nostalgia[3/3]: You guys are sick :) 12:02:46 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-b1-12-g1e0207d 12:03:23 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-45-g8b635cb: Fix compilation. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b635cbf7785 12:03:23 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-46-g8e16156: A first pass at species/job recommendations for new races/jobs. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 164+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e16156a5585 12:04:43 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:05:28 oh no, you nerfed mupa 12:05:35 rip 12:05:44 available for so little time 12:06:54 oh, is undead pr still allowed? 12:07:16 oops 12:07:20 I forgot to update the Pr list <_< 12:07:42 don't take away our mupr too! 12:08:17 zin should love mu, they are well preserved 12:08:20 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-29-ga6b5f5a (34) 12:09:53 how many servers are going to run the nostalgia branch? 12:11:08 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:01 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-47-g63e6144: Disallow MuPa and MuPr. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 28+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63e6144c6373 12:13:01 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-48-gc0037ae: Some really brief changelog notes. 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 30+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0037ae4c78a 12:13:17 wheals: rip 12:14:54 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:37 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:46 hello boys and girls 12:16:46 ??nostalgia 12:16:46 nostalgia[1/3]: A branch which adds back old species, classes, spells, etc. See the changelog here: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/nostalgia 12:17:17 so is there any chance of Pan returning? 12:17:42 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:02 and what about poor lamia 12:18:07 -!- gammafun1 has left ##crawl-dev 12:18:31 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18:54 ??nostalgia[2] 12:18:54 nostalgia[2/3]: This is going to be the basis of DCSS 0.15 12:18:56 ??nostalgia[3] 12:18:57 nostalgia[3/3]: You guys are sick :) 12:19:23 Is the nostalgia branch supposed to be an april fools deal? 12:20:13 Lasty: no 12:20:18 it's the real deal 12:20:20 100% 12:20:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:21 guys, until when do you plan to change descriptions ? 12:20:52 descriptions? 12:21:01 yep 12:21:18 all touch to description lead to cancel tranlation 12:21:33 oh, I see what you mean 12:21:34 "Until cities be waste without inhabitant, and houses without man, and the land become utterly waste" 12:21:41 oh, ok 12:21:50 I mean until when before the 0.14 realease 12:21:52 Cedor: we're not on any kind of timeline for that 12:21:56