00:00:11 -!- ainsophyao has quit [*.net *.split] 00:00:12 -!- tali713 has quit [*.net *.split] 00:01:13 -!- wat2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:43 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:03:01 ...huh, I just had a fire giant fail to hit me with a fireball. 00:03:45 (I am (6, 5) NW of the fire giant; I think elliptic's miss was from the same relative location) 00:04:57 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.1-29-g71f4f6b 00:07:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3436-gaa30ffd: Don't crash when starting with a shield and no weapon. 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa30ffd8de87 00:07:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3437-g779366f: Don't consider walking through clouds to be wanton (#7060) 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=779366f74f0c 00:07:45 so does this mean zin worshippers can enjoy mutagenic clouds? :) 00:08:17 (todo: mutant crabs) 00:09:00 <|amethyst> rchandra: and it means chei worshippers should lure a crab so they have a source of haste 00:09:08 <|amethyst> nothing bad could possibly come of that 00:09:28 uh 00:09:35 a source of haste, or of paralysis, or of etc etc 00:10:06 at least the chei one can't work. the zin one seems unlikely to work (have to lose much piety) 00:10:26 Well, how can ANYONE benefit from sitting in a mutagenic cloud? 00:10:32 Whether this ticks their god off or not 00:10:34 they can mutate 00:10:39 then zin can cure the bad ones 00:10:43 bam 00:10:44 Zin cures all of them 00:10:45 <|amethyst> anyway, this doesn't affect mutagenic clouds 00:10:49 <|amethyst> only chaos actually 00:10:50 Good and bad 00:10:51 oh 00:10:58 And only once, anyway 00:10:59 was I thinking of jivya? 00:11:12 Maybe? But Jiyva already does plenty of mutating on its own, I think :P 00:11:18 lil bit 00:12:19 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-3438-g82c2087: Don't let monsters abjure using a Rod of the Swarm 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82c2087cf2be 00:12:19 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-3439-gb668a25: Reduce chance of monsters casting abjuration somewhat 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b668a250871c 00:12:30 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:47 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3435-g739405a (34) 00:14:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:14:01 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:59 what's the syntax for arena? I want to test something. 00:19:57 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:57 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:22:41 hm. should there be a prompt when reading ?blink with -cTele active? 00:23:35 <|amethyst> Bcadren: it gives several examples 00:23:56 <|amethyst> Bcadren: monspec v othermonspec plus there are several tags regarding speed etc 00:24:14 he asked here & in ##crawl at the same time, and already got an answer there 00:25:15 I was wanting to see if Naga Ritualists with sufficient HD could remove the Lernaean Hydra's rPois so that poison could kill it...the answer is yes, yes they can. also watching TLH be killed by Tarantella confusion is funny. 00:26:43 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 00:29:24 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:08 Does monster->number have a default value? 00:34:51 ah, it does 00:35:33 <|amethyst> FR: remove monster->number 00:35:54 From a day before props, I assume 00:36:10 Since it is basically a single unnamed prop, in effect 00:36:28 used for hydras, 'etc' 00:36:44 I guess that means I shouldn't use it for implementing a new feature 00:36:48 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: don't forget unsigned int only 00:37:16 I'm sure at one point it made perfect sense to do it that way.... 00:38:15 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:24 -!- Pacra has left ##crawl-dev 00:38:33 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 00:38:56 PleasingFungus: what were you attempting to use it for? 00:39:10 my guys-that-get-stronger-with-pal-death 00:39:16 placeholder name 'annuvians' 00:39:19 well, I mean in what sense 00:39:19 Hey, I am guilty of using monster->number in several places >.> 00:39:29 I want them to have a cap on how many times they can get buffed 00:39:33 monster properties are probably what you want 00:39:33 so they can't become legendary supermen 00:39:43 Isn't it used in battlesphere (I think for the number of charges it has?) 00:39:45 PleasingFungus: yeah, you want the props hash 00:40:07 Jiangshi speed counter (the same way as sixfirhy use it), shambling mangrove fauna counter, and yes battlesphere too 00:40:12 Probably something else I forget 00:40:18 CrawlHashTable, I see 00:40:35 Oh, starcursed masses too, I believe 00:40:37 PleasingFungus: see various uses scattered in the source, e.g. 00:40:46 yeah, I saw a few already 00:40:48 !source spl-summoning.cc:1292 00:40:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc;hb=HEAD#l1292 00:42:53 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:53 I guess I'd initialize the prop to 0 in... mon-place.cc? 00:44:41 PleasingFungus: no, just test if it exists 00:44:47 when you call your ability function 00:45:03 there's an exists method for that hash 00:45:13 oh, so there does 00:45:19 I was looking through the sig block but missed it 00:46:23 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:03 ok, got it. 00:47:06 thanks! 00:47:49 Yeah, you don't want to force more properties to exist than need be, takes up memory and save file space... 00:47:50 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:11 -!- quinoa_rex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:48:24 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 00:48:26 that sounds like penny-pinching, tbqh 00:48:43 Depends on how many enemies of that sort get generated 00:48:57 Yes, I cannot imagine the increase in file size is anything but trivial 00:49:16 <|amethyst> still 00:49:25 no, no still 00:49:33 <|amethyst> if every monster is going to have a given prop, it should be a member, not a prop 00:49:38 Well, sure 00:49:52 every monster, or every monster of one type? 00:49:53 But I mean it's not something you should need to think about to add some monster-specific prop 00:50:06 <|amethyst> every monster, I meant 00:50:35 <|amethyst> are you starting the count at a large number and counting down? 00:51:35 starting at 0, going up to 4 at most, and it's just for one monster type 00:52:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:52:58 <|amethyst> I think your code should be able to handle the case where the prop doesn't exist (e.g. another monster was polymorphed into this one) 00:53:03 yeah I agree 00:53:10 <|amethyst> at which point there's no reason to initialize it to zero 00:53:12 there definitely needs to be a check at the place it's used 00:53:15 and yeah, yeah, exactly 00:53:21 so that's why I'm doing that 00:53:55 hrm, I'm hearing a report that a TSO worshiper got a holy zig level 00:53:56 <|amethyst> also, does this prop affect how the monster displays? 00:54:44 hm. it should probably be in the description somehow. similar to 'unnaturally strong' 00:54:45 I still can't see/hear "Holy zig level" without mentally adding "batman" to the end of it. 00:54:59 gammafunk: that's not prevented anywhere 00:55:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: then make sure you add your property key to _is_public_key in mon-info.cc 00:55:55 haha, literally half of that is chimera stuff 00:55:57 ok 00:56:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: (without that, the monster_info will be missing the prop, so the player won't know about it) 00:57:07 "chimera_batty" is a very good property name. 00:57:55 gammafunk: although i'm inclined to fix it by making holies just not turn neutral if you're worshipping a good god, it's not really meaningful anywhere and has a lot of negative effects 00:58:17 MarvinPA: I had thought it was prevented in the past 00:58:22 It's meaningful if it gets Mennas to not beat you up! T.T 00:58:23 I know holy pan is 00:58:25 no, only holy pan 00:58:29 ah, ok 00:58:31 (that is one of the negative effects!) 00:58:50 hrm, but won't you get tso pennance for killing the hostile holies? 00:58:53 or does that not happen 00:59:01 killing hostile holies is fine 00:59:09 there is some bug where if your allies kill them you get penance though 00:59:13 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:45 oh, well yeah in that case it might be best to remove that neutral thing. I imagine some (maybe dpeg) would complain, though 00:59:45 because i don't even know, holies are weird and super special-casey 01:00:20 you always get the "blame" for the kill so that you can be smited, and somehow that results in penance or something, i'd have to look it up again 01:01:29 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03:05 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:16 oh looks like the ally thing was fixed at some point 01:05:38 !source:dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua:203 01:05:48 !source dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua:203 01:05:48 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/ziggurat.lua;hb=HEAD#l203 01:06:42 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: looking at conduct code makes me imagine Leviticus as a big switch statement... case DID_UNCOVER_THE_NAKEDNESS_OF_THY_FATHERS_SISTER: 01:06:50 hahah 01:06:56 huh. the monsterentry struct is explained in both mon-util.h and mon-data.h . The descriptions, of course, differ. 01:06:59 yeah, it's scary stuff 01:07:41 also looks like we still have a forest zig floor using Forest:$ 01:07:48 <|amethyst> // [Obsolete] Experience used to be calculated like this: 01:07:50 for its monster set 01:08:06 <|amethyst> gammafunk: we still have a pop_forest 01:08:26 also, the hpdice description 01:09:01 <|amethyst> though I guess that won't work very well when the branch doesn't exist and so F:$ means nothing :) 01:09:11 <|amethyst> s/doesn't/ceases to/ 01:09:29 ah, nvm, actually the hpdice thing is consistent 01:09:41 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it didn't use to be 01:09:45 haha 01:09:49 I see some of it is copy-pasted over 01:09:58 <|amethyst> Yeah, let me find the commit where I did that 01:10:08 the phrase "fixed HP (unique mons)" is really misleading 01:10:31 <|amethyst> %git 609cd121eff404f278f78b5d5e66acb7daca51c0 01:10:35 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-1036-g609cd12: Correct a comment about HP dice. 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=609cd121eff4 01:10:35 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:35 or I'm dumb 01:12:13 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:18 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 186-210 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6192 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:12:18 <|amethyst> %??greater mummy 01:12:21 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 186-210 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6192 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:12:21 <|amethyst> %??greater mummy hd:0 01:12:26 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 105-108 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 55 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:12:26 <|amethyst> %??greater mummy hd:1 01:13:20 <|amethyst> there are a few monsters where that number is not used by itself 01:14:27 starspawn tentacle (11w) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 1 | HP: 11-28 | AC/EV: 8/2 | Dam: 303(constrict) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 01:14:27 <|amethyst> %??starspawn tentacle hd:1 01:14:31 starspawn tentacle (11w) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 100 | HP: 46-76 | AC/EV: 8/2 | Dam: 303(constrict) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 01:14:31 <|amethyst> %??starspawn tentacle hd:100 01:16:38 <|amethyst> gmummy, starspawn tentacle (and segment), block of ice, pan lord (not sure that's relevant since it's a ghost-demon), and hell lord (dummy) 01:18:12 <|amethyst> Yes, that part of the comment should be rewritten, but I'm not having much success trying to do so right now 01:19:32 <|amethyst> also, *times_do* 01:20:11 how long have there been 15 runes? 01:21:13 times_do made me laugh 01:21:22 yeah obv it's not critical, just something I noticed 01:21:53 -!- tali713 has quit [*.net *.split] 01:21:53 -!- ainsophyao has quit [*.net *.split] 01:25:19 Lorewise are Starspawn tentacles and Eldritch tentacles the same thing? 01:25:45 <|amethyst> no 01:26:27 <|amethyst> The writhing appendage of a tentacled starspawn, capable of grasping nearly any 01:26:30 <|amethyst> versus 01:26:32 <|amethyst> prey and dragging it back to be devoured. Any damage dealt to it hurts the 01:26:35 <|amethyst> whole creature. 01:26:36 <|amethyst> An immense, squamous appendage of some unseen creature, dripping with ichor and 01:26:39 <|amethyst> tipped with a single, terrible-looking claw. 01:27:07 eldritch tentacles are much grosser 01:27:10 <|amethyst> In particular, you never see the thing on the other side of the malign gateway 01:27:45 <|amethyst> but presumably it's freakin' enormous 01:28:09 Is it Chzo? lol [guesses no one here will get that reference] 01:29:26 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:29:33 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 01:30:01 eldritch abomination 01:30:12 <|amethyst> Does yahtzee use the word 'squamous'? 01:30:14 I wonder if I still have that patch here. 01:34:19 |amethyst I don't remember if that word is ever used? ...does this mean you got the reference? 01:35:46 <|amethyst> Bcadren: I've heard of the series but haven't played them 01:36:44 I was referencing this scene, in which the Arrogant man tried 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08holy++ | XP: 9026 | Sp: demon, smiting (7-17), torment symbol, summon undead. 06:58:43 %0.9?greater mummy 06:58:52 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 185-212 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9039 | Sp: demon, smiting (7-17), torment symbol, summon undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 06:58:52 %0.10?greater mummy 06:58:59 Could not execute monster-0.8: No such file or directory 06:58:59 %0.8?greater mummy 06:59:06 :< 07:00:23 !tell wheals i killed natasha and she started digging out the level with her wand of digging to get back to me, v. cute (she did a good job of emptying the wand but not a good job of finding me, sadly!) 07:00:23 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let wheals know. 07:01:22 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:17 hmm annoyingly that means i can't id the wand despite the fact that i know it is digging, though 07:10:25 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:26:19 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:28:56 -!- quinoa_rex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:30:16 -!- jeffro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:37 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:47 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:41:19 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:43:55 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:52:19 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:37 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:03:02 -!- _159 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:04:38 -!- wat1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:49 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:28 Serious FR: [came over here to say it] Make 'Mindless' creatures that you charm permanently charmed. Request is mostly to remove the tedium of using Control Undead multiple times. Mindless things couldn't use staircases anyways so they'd be left on the floor like zombies you made yourself. 08:08:05 -!- Twinge has quit [] 08:08:52 -!- _fred has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:17:35 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:33 -!- SirSamVimes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:24:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:36 Gilihad (L17 FoWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Spider:1) 08:26:52 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:03 Penguingo (L17 LOFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Swamp:1) 08:27:36 Gilihad (L17 FoWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Spider:1) 08:27:42 Pathseeker (L16 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:15) 08:29:35 Wilberforcelj (L14 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:4) 08:29:36 braindead (L10 DsGl) (D:11) 08:30:14 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:31:19 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:07 -!- _fred_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:37:45 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:59 -!- User_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43:19 Viilla (L2 GrFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:43:20 hubblehobby (L14 HaHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:4) 08:43:21 JoggingBear (L12 HaHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:43:22 mcmurder (L4 TeAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:43:23 braindead (L11 DsGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:12) 08:43:25 Grashnag (L3 VpCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:43:28 Stormzand (L2 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:44:03 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:04 Grashnag (L3 VpCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:44:23 braindead (L11 DsGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:12) 08:44:59 xappymah (L3 DsNe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:45:30 mcmurder (L3 TeAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:46:29 Grashnag (L3 VpCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:46:36 guys I think there might be a small problem with webtiles 08:46:56 ackack (L20 DEVM) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:3) 08:48:29 !reboot 08:48:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:48:34 I tried 08:49:14 ackack (L20 DEVM) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:3) 08:49:15 Pathseeker (L16 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:15) 08:49:46 kal9871 (L2 CeCK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:49:47 Setherick (L7 LOFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:6) 08:50:01 braindead (L11 DsGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:12) 08:50:23 xappymah (L2 DsNe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:50:24 ackack (L20 DEVM) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:3) 08:51:23 Setherick (L7 LOFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:6) 08:51:29 |amethyst: cszo hiccups? 08:51:34 xappymah (L2 DsNe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:51:35 kal9871 (L2 CeCK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:51:43 Wilberforcelj (L15 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:3) 08:51:48 it's cao isn't it? i think it does this occasionally 08:51:50 |amethyst: I mean CAO 08:51:52 no idea why 08:52:11 ??cao 08:52:11 cao[1/2]: Main Crawl server, located in Tucson, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 08:52:22 ??cao[2 08:52:22 cao[2/2]: Webtiles is at http://webtiles.akrasiac.org/ or http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/ 08:52:40 I forget who administers cao 08:53:05 Grashnag (L3 VpCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:54:32 Setherick (L7 LOFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:6) 08:54:33 Stormzand (L1 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:54:45 Grashnag (L3 VpCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:56:59 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:09 -!- User_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:57:49 !tell rax We get occasional webtile socket error spam from CAO every few days or so; is that a problem you're aware of? 08:57:49 gammafunk: OK, I'll let rax know. 08:57:58 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:00:05 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:00:53 I think |am*thyst is de facto admin, and he's aware of it and has some idea what causes it but has no time to fully work it out 09:01:15 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:15 -!- neuwiz has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:15 -!- Adder_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:15 -!- Nivim has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:15 -!- _miek has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- odiv has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- PsyMar has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- lavos3 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- buki has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- cptwinky has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- denstark_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:16 -!- DrKe has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:17 -!- Morokiane has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:17 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:17 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:17 -!- Grunt has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:17 -!- Deathawk_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- TZer0 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- morik has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- Lantell has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- ivan`` has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- popx has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- imantor has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- Goncyn has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- pantaril has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- varmin has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- djanatyn has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:18 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 09:01:33 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:37 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:43 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:54 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:56 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:00 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:08 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:12 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:22 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:23 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:25 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:42 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:36 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 335 seconds] 09:07:03 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:43 -!- Nivimer has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:32 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Excess Flood] 09:15:47 -!- denstark has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 09:15:50 -!- _miek_ has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 09:15:57 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:27 -!- xnavy has quit [Excess Flood] 09:20:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:26:00 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:31:41 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 09:32:01 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:04 ??lemure 09:32:04 lemure[1/1]: Not the weakest of the 5s. Faster than the average player and cannot fly. 09:32:16 Are all of the 5's imps? 09:33:22 no 09:34:05 lemurs, quasits and uberfetuses are not? 09:34:06 ??ufetubus 09:34:06 ufetubus[1/1]: An unremarkable minor demon. Hits harder than an imp, but doesn't regenerate as quickly and doesn't blink, so much less annoying. Getting mobbed by these can cause a fatal lack of mobility if there are smiters nearby, but otherwise harmless. 09:34:22 ??quasit 09:34:22 quasit[1/1]: A weakish demon which moves very quickly, has high evasion, and resists all elements except lightning. Drains dexterity in melee, but does little damage and can be killed easily enough despite the resists. Also rather low MR. Doesn't fly. 09:34:24 well lemures don't exist but other than that yes 09:34:26 oh my the cheibriados wiki page 09:34:48 -!- andrewhl has quit [Client Quit] 09:35:57 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:18 hi 09:36:26 hallo 09:36:31 I was working on a patch, but master has since updated 09:36:43 how do i run rebase? 09:36:57 drachereborn: git rebase master, on the branch you're working on 09:36:59 I remember seeing it somewhere before but I forgot 09:37:11 thanks 09:37:17 "Casters benefit from Cheibriados much more than non-casters, as the boost to intelligence would otherwise go to waste." ehehehe 09:37:47 <|amethyst> drachereborn: (make sure you commit your work first) 09:37:49 <|amethyst> Bloax: wrong channel? 09:38:00 |amethyst: this isn't ##crawl-wiki-discuss?? 09:38:15 should I git stash? 09:38:18 !tell Grunt Mantis #8163 has the same "Fire giant aimed fireball at empty space." issue you mentioned. 09:38:18 reaverb: OK, I'll let grunt know. 09:38:27 drachereborn: No, just git commit -a 09:38:37 <|amethyst> drachereborn: if you haven't committed at all, then you can stash, pull, stash pop and don't need rebase 09:38:38 ok thanks 09:38:39 (or git commit, if you're familar with git) 09:38:51 not that familiar :p 09:39:03 <|amethyst> drachereborn: but you're going to need a commit at some point so it might as well be now :) 09:39:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:52 drachereborn: Here's a quickstart: http://www.git-tower.com/blog/git-cheat-sheet-detail/ 09:40:42 Ideally you should learn to use git commit after this patch, since most changes should have multiple commits. 09:41:11 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:35 ok, hope that worked 09:46:39 thanks reaverb 09:46:42 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:47:50 drachereborn: So what's this patch for? 09:48:07 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8301 09:48:33 Sif miscast stuff 09:48:51 small interface tweak 09:50:23 Interface patch for Sif miscast protection by DracheReborn 09:50:38 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:52:29 <|amethyst> drachereborn: doesn't replacing yellow/red both with lightblue reduce information? 09:52:55 hmm, yes 09:53:11 how meaningful is it? between yellow and red? 09:53:18 i'm pretty sure the current behaviour is intentional for that reason, yeah 09:53:34 lightblue and blue then? 09:54:10 <|amethyst> I'm also not sure about removing "This spell is quite dangerous to cast!" just because Sif *might* protect you 09:55:07 Well, worst case, I'd just keep the changes for 6* piety. Since Sif's protection is perfect at that point 09:57:09 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 09:58:47 just changing it at 6* might be okay, yeah 09:59:03 Any suggestions for how to display partial protection? I see the same issue with Kiku actually 09:59:21 Since you're sort of protected but not totally 10:00:22 i'm not sure that displaying it on I is necessary, you get the message about it when it starts applying 10:01:53 Context: When the issue came up in Tavern, many people thought miscast protection was pretty useless 10:02:20 Mostly I think because it's not reflected in the interface 10:02:46 <|amethyst> mostly I think because it doesn't protect against losing the turn 10:02:59 Basically there's one message when you start receiving protection 10:03:12 well in a lot of cases it is fairly minor, yeah 10:03:13 even when you miscast, all it says is that "Nothing happens" 10:03:28 <|amethyst> maybe that message should be improved 10:03:42 An alternative way I suppose is to print "Sif protects you from miscast!" etc 10:03:54 that sounds like a good change, yeah 10:06:18 Ok, so for take 2 of my patch: I'll just change spell failure colour/suppress "dangerous" message only if 100% protection 10:06:30 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:41 so Sif at 6* or single school Necro at Kiku 6* 10:06:57 then improve miscast protection messages 10:09:26 i think the message on memorising is fine really, it still seems relevant to remind you that you're memorising something with a bad success rate 10:10:03 ok 10:11:34 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:13:43 <|amethyst> Hm 10:13:54 <|amethyst> maybe the colours could be adjusted downwards though 10:16:00 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:16:03 <|amethyst> i.e. in failure_rate_colour multiply chance by (1 - your protection) before picking the colour 10:16:28 <|amethyst> that way red can still indicate >=2.5% chance of severity-2 miscast 10:16:37 <|amethyst> but you do see an effect 10:17:36 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:44 oh, is that what red means 10:18:07 haha, I thought it just meant > some_threshold 10:19:27 <|amethyst> at least that's the intent; get_miscast_chance is elliptic code so I'm not sure :) 10:19:43 yeah, it looks like it 10:20:00 multiplied by severity 10:20:07 <|amethyst> (not that elliptic code is bad, but good luck following the formulas :) 10:20:43 so should I do it that way? mult chance by (1 - prot chance) 10:21:10 <|amethyst> I'm not sure, but it's worth trying 10:21:22 <|amethyst> I'd have that part in a separate commit from the others 10:21:31 <|amethyst> that way they can be tried separately 10:21:47 ok, thanks +|amethyst 10:22:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:11 <|amethyst> Adding some comments on Mantis summarise 10:22:17 <|amethyst> s/summarise/to summarise/ 10:27:27 <|amethyst> drachereborn: hm... on the other hand, now that I think about it, the 6* -> lightgrey would be handled automatically by the chance code 10:27:52 yeah, you're right 10:27:54 <|amethyst> drachereborn: so maybe it should just be one commit 10:28:11 <|amethyst> or one for that, and one for the miscast protection message 10:28:24 yeah I was just going to say that 10:29:08 <|amethyst> drachereborn: if you plan on using the same message for Sif and Kiku-averted miscasts, I'd recommend making it a canned message 10:29:18 ok 10:29:21 <|amethyst> but if they're going to be different, I wouldn't bother 10:29:50 <|amethyst> I have no preference as to how different they should be; that depends on how much flavour you like :) 10:30:21 it's probably just (god) averts your miscast or similar :) 10:31:01 <|amethyst> Hm, in that case I guess it wouldn't be canned, since it has a parameter 10:32:49 oh is that what canned means. I'm learning a lot of new crawl stuff today 10:32:53 <|amethyst> can use simple_god_message though to put it in the right channel and give it a colour 10:33:23 <|amethyst> drachereborn: yeah, canned_msg is there so common messages aren't repeated all throughout the code 10:39:16 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3442-g86c20c6: Add missing message channels to options guide TOC. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86c20c6dd8d4 10:39:18 <|amethyst> drachereborn: Also, related to MarvinPA's comment about the message on memorisation 10:39:18 <|amethyst> (copy-pasting from my Mantis comment) 10:39:26 <|amethyst> Some message on memorisation should probably still be there even at perfect protection, since a high failure chance is sill relevant. Perhaps the message should be different, though, since casting the spell is not quite "dangerous". Perhaps taking failure chance rather than miscast chance into account? 10:41:12 hmm, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Should there be 2 levels of messages, dangerous vs hard to cast? 10:41:36 <|amethyst> I'm not sure what would be best... I think that one's minor and you can probably just ignore it for now 10:41:38 for example, the message at 100% fail is impossible to cast, then very hard, hard, etc 10:42:00 <|amethyst> yeah, two series of messages, checking different things 10:42:40 I guess the message could look like: This spell is hard to cast and very dangerous! 10:42:42 -!- whig_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:09 <|amethyst> drachereborn: I was thinking to only have the "hard to cast" if it didn't fall under "dangerous" 10:43:28 <|amethyst> (after adjusting chance there the same way as in failure_rate_colour) 10:43:40 ah ok 10:44:46 -!- whig has quit [] 10:44:59 <|amethyst> so something like (after all the other checks) else if (spell_fail(specspell) >= 90) mprf(MSGCH_WARN, "This spell is very difficult to cast!") etc 10:45:07 <|amethyst> maybe your suggestion to have both is better 10:45:15 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:45:16 <|amethyst> anyway, that's completely separate from the other issues I think 10:45:35 <|amethyst> since this would apply not just to sif worshippers 10:46:06 <|amethyst> it's fairly easy to have L1 spells at very high fail but lightgrey because the miscasts are never severe 10:46:17 the message will be kind of awkward though with both 10:46:40 <|amethyst> hm, probably 10:46:56 and yes, the message might scare people away from low level spells which aren't dangerous 10:47:26 so something specificly for high level with miscast protection seems reasonable 10:47:53 <|amethyst> Anyway, that's up to you, and I think should definitely be a separate commit from the others 10:47:58 ok 10:49:36 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:03 I wonder if there is any WebTiles stuff or something else that concerns me before the release. 10:50:19 I've been busy for past few weeks, so haven't followed things. 10:52:44 <|amethyst> Medar: there are a few bugs related to glyph/hybrid mode, but I don't think they're urgent for 0.14 10:53:03 Medar: Webtiles posions still gives you the exact amount of hp you lose, is this an info leak when compared to console? 10:53:28 |amethyst: Ok, I assume they are in Mantis? 10:53:36 reaverb: I don't know! 10:53:36 <|amethyst> Medar: yes https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 10:53:42 Thanks 10:54:07 <|amethyst> reaverb: it is, but I don't know whether that's a problem with webtiles or with console 10:54:27 Is it a problem in local tiles too? 10:54:39 -!- whig_ has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 10:54:48 Erm, I mean does that work like console or like webtiles? 10:55:29 Medar: I haven't checked what local tiles does and I don't have time to recompile. I presume it works the same as webtiles. 10:56:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:56:58 I don't really understand the problem tbh. 10:57:06 Isn't the bar updated at the same time as the numbers 10:57:06 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:14 Which give you exact info anyway 10:57:35 <|amethyst> Medar: what numbers? 10:58:08 Health: x/y 10:58:17 <|amethyst> Medar: there's a third component now 10:58:23 <|amethyst> Medar: which isn't displayed numerically 10:58:33 Uhh? 10:58:55 <|amethyst> Medar: HP-that-will-be-left-after-poison, current HP, max HP 10:59:27 oh, so this is just about poison? 10:59:31 <|amethyst> yeah 10:59:33 isn't that just an estimate anyway? 10:59:47 <|amethyst> hm 10:59:58 <|amethyst> Yeah, I think now that it takes regen into account it might not be an issue 11:00:14 <|amethyst> originally it was the exact amount of HP you were going to lose 11:00:32 Not sure, I haven't even seen that stuff in action yet 11:01:37 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:01:47 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:01 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:02:01 <|amethyst> anyway, the necessary stuff is there for webtiles; now it's just bikeshedding about how much detail to give in each UI :) 11:02:08 <|amethyst> %git fbd6e7d 11:02:19 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-a0-3356-gfbd6e7d: Make the hp bar show the deterministic poison in WebTiles 10(5 days ago, 5 files, 45+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbd6e7ded89b 11:02:19 Right 11:02:19 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:32 Well, if you are going to limit the detail for WebTiles, it has to be done server side of course 11:02:46 Otherwise you can just add some console.log to cheat :) 11:03:23 <|amethyst> yeah 11:03:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:02 <|amethyst> personally I'd rather give more detail in console than try to limit it in webtiles 11:04:37 how would you achieve that though? 11:04:44 just give the number in @ or something? 11:04:51 fr: manticores should not be able to open doors 11:04:54 with their lion-paws 11:05:11 <|amethyst> I dunno, HP: (5) 37/49 (50) but there might not be room 11:05:19 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: cats can open doors, why not manticores? 11:05:35 because it killed me 11:05:46 :( 11:06:09 their tiles should not have wings or they should be able to fly 11:06:18 wait, they can't fly? 11:06:21 wait, wh= 11:06:24 @??manticore 11:06:24 manticore (05H) | Spd: 10 (move: 120%) | HD: 9 | HP: 33-63 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 26, 14, 14 | 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 532 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 11:06:33 yep that's definitely flying 11:06:36 oh, what was I thiking of 11:06:37 FL_WINGED 11:06:48 maybe you shouldn't play tiles 11:07:20 how would I know my exact poison damage then? 11:08:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:36 <|amethyst> Medar: the (5) there was supposed to be survival HP (current - poisoned + regen) 11:09:15 <|amethyst> but of course there's no room 11:11:41 03blackcustard02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-3443-g2c333e7: Correctly update the shopping list when (un)identifying items. 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 19+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c333e7c6a26 11:18:11 -!- quinoa_rex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:25:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:33:11 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:39:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:41 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:45:11 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:46:31 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:34 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:35 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3444-gbff944e: Update 0.13.2 changelog 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bff944ef8d98 12:03:35 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-30-gdee760b: Make detected items etc override explore horizon (ChrisOelmueller) 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dee760beb3f5 12:03:35 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-31-g079e59b: Don't double collateral unholy evil kill piety (78291) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=079e59b054db 12:03:35 03wheals02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-32-ge645f60: Don't let Wanderers start with a 2h weapon and shield equipped (#7929). 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e645f60c7147 12:03:35 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-33-g5423189: Fix bad ikiller for kraken tentacles. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 27+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5423189e9797 12:03:35 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-34-g5444d2b: Update 0.13.2 changelog 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5444d2b8d949 12:04:18 |amethyst: thank you!!! 12:04:27 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:04:49 -!- ZRN has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:05:16 <|amethyst> Grunt: I kind of wanted to apply blackcustard's fix, but it requires conflict management 12:06:33 |amethyst, if you're not busy I have another question for you 12:06:36 |amethyst: the shopping list fix that landed just now, or something else? 12:06:42 <|amethyst> Grunt: yes, that one 12:07:09 |amethyst: I might look into it. 12:07:15 there's a difference between sif and kiku miscast protection 12:07:31 sif prevents contam from failed spells, kiku doesn't 12:07:44 <|amethyst> drachereborn: ah, right 12:08:08 so miscasting a high level necro spell, you could still get yellow contam with kiku, which seems bad 12:08:56 so I'm thinking to leave Kiku out entirely, since his protection is hard to quantify 12:09:11 <|amethyst> Grunt: maybe the shopping_list.item_type_identified call in set_ident_type should just go into the you.type_ids[basetype][subtype] != setting conditional 12:09:33 the question is, I want to emphasise in the description somewhere that Sif protects from contam 12:09:51 <|amethyst> Grunt: but that call really comes from 0.14-a0-2125-g4968c94 12:10:20 maybe add to "Sif Muna is protecting you from miscast magic.", e.g. "and contamination from spell failure" 12:10:28 but that line becomes too long 12:10:34 any thoughts? 12:11:34 <|amethyst> Maybe "Sif Muna is protecting you from the negative effects of spell failure." 12:11:45 -!- Nivimer is now known as Nivim 12:12:23 <|amethyst> Since Sif also doesn't protect you against curse "miscasts" the way kiku does 12:12:42 yeah 12:12:53 sounds good to me. 73 chars by my count 12:13:15 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:13:44 thanks! I'll run with that 12:15:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:15:52 I'm not sure any players actually think of weird effects like curse "necro miscasts" as miscasts 12:16:04 unless they read the learndb 12:16:27 <|amethyst> true 12:16:51 <|amethyst> meaning perhaps Kiku's message should be updated too 12:16:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3443-g2c333e7 (34) 12:17:13 right now it's "Kikubaaqudgha is protecting you from miscast death magic." 12:17:36 I'd be tempted to substitute in "necromantic backlash" 12:17:40 I'm not sure how helpful that would be 12:19:02 sounds better than anything I've come up with 12:19:29 I guess we just want to avoid having players think that Kiku protects from Agony, etc 12:20:36 -!- Tarragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:11 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:38 <|amethyst> "Kikubaaqudgha is protecting you from death curses and miscast death magic." 12:27:37 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27:57 ok too but too long I think 12:28:06 "Kikubaaqudgha no longer protects you from death curses and miscast death magic." 12:28:09 is 81 chars 12:29:09 Well, 79 actually (without quotes). So, ok? 12:31:37 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:11 i'd make that or, not and 12:32:25 also 'miscast death magic' is a bit awkward phrasing 12:33:59 what's wrong with 'Kikubaaqudgha no longer protects you from necromancy miscasts or death curses.' 12:34:47 or 'miscasting necromancy' which bumps it to 80 excluding quotes 12:34:54 It feels a little colloquial, I guess? 12:34:56 Slangy? 12:35:06 The word "miscasts" specifically. 12:35:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:45 i somehow don't see a wizardly type saying miscast or miscasts 12:35:59 so if it's going to be used i'd go with clarity 12:36:12 e.g., are pain spells 'death magic'? 12:37:37 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:36 "Miscasts" is pretty oral language. 12:39:57 ??hell effect 12:39:58 hell effect ~ hell effects[1/2]: Every ~40 turns in Hell proper, something scary happens. 1-5 random monsters are created. 15/27 chance of a random miscast effect (like Zot traps); else 4/27 chance of an appropriate greater demon. 12:40:04 But since it's a Game Term it might as well just be "necromancy miscasts". 12:40:12 ??zot trap 12:40:12 zot trap[1/6]: Traps that can cause severe poisoning, banishment, rot, mutations, and summon powerful demons...you get the picture. When a monster steps on a zot trap, you will hear a distant zot if the trap is in the distance, or a loud zot if the trap is very very close. 12:40:31 because it's quite clear 12:40:35 Hm. Do zot or hell effects include necro miscasts? (They do, right?) If so, does Kiku protect against them? 12:41:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:44:19 PleasingFungus: yes, no 12:44:58 OK. 12:45:20 -!- quinoa_rex has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:40 they just happen to use miscast code, no reason for kiku to interact with them 12:46:41 (hell effects could feasibly have their own list of effects some day, like zot traps got recently) 12:53:10 IMO add that to the 0.15 list. 12:55:17 -!- ChongLi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:13 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:16 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:25 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:07 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:35 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:14 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:12:33 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:32 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:14:53 -!- freefall has left ##crawl-dev 13:15:13 -!- quinoa_rex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:15:47 -!- wat2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:19:21 -!- quinoa_rex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:22:08 gammafunk why did you make agnes boring 13:22:31 you are blaming the wrong person 13:24:22 PleasingFungus: give me all your money 13:24:28 i want to spend all your money 13:24:33 hahaha 13:25:10 AT THE JEWEL BAR 13:25:30 TO MAKE MY DRESS ALL PRETTY 13:25:48 tell me more about the jewel bar 13:27:04 it's a place 13:27:12 where dirty adventurers like you do not venture 13:29:59 hm 13:33:16 Instead she is now a boring travelling ninja with an exaggerated sense of what she has the rights to. ("The ORB is mine by right.") 13:34:29 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34:44 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:01 her old description was both really dumb and had no connection to her actual in-game character (she has absolutely no interaction with coins, money, theft, or whatever). the new one actually helps explain why she has a lajatang, plus introduces some much-needed indonesian flavor into the game. 13:35:14 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36:08 I'll agree that the ORB line isn't so hot - I might change it to something about her having a (sacred?) mission to retrieve the orb? 13:36:13 or to destroy it. that'd be neat. 13:39:13 "It is my duty to kill you, but also my pleasure." "I never trained for this." I don't like either. 13:39:48 "Your head would make a trophy!" 13:40:02 a fine* god damn it stop dying brain 13:40:13 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:25 That's a little more bloodthirsty than I was imagining. 13:40:41 I FIND PLEASURE IN KILLING YOU :^) 13:40:45 is that not bloodthirsty 13:41:46 it's a calmer sort of murderous psychopathy. 13:41:47 you know. 13:41:54 The second line is pretty good, but why is it so passive? 13:42:39 "you dishonour your ancestors"? 13:43:01 "I'm willing to be that certain collectors would pay me a fine sum for your head as a trophy!" 13:43:07 to bet and not to be 13:43:12 that is indeed the answer 13:43:27 But no, the "I never trained for this." line. 13:44:01 oh, the fifth line 13:44:23 (the second of the two lines i didn't like) 13:44:42 oh, I see 13:44:50 "..I never trained for this." 13:45:13 aww damn, lua doesn't have c-style automatic string literal concatenation. lua, why do you suck so much 13:45:39 nrook: at least it isn't a map scripting language hacked to be the main scripting backbone of a game 13:45:55 in which everything is an int 13:46:09 <|amethyst> nrook: .. isn't that hard to write :P 13:46:17 <|amethyst> nrook: also, if you want the newlines, [[ ]] 13:47:01 Yeah, I think you're right, it's a pretty different tone from the rest of the dialogue. Hm. Maybe something reversing that, talking about how her training *has* prepared her... 13:47:06