00:01:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:04 Monster description revamp by PleasingFungus 00:02:10 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:03:09 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:08 boring beetle (07B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 13/4 | Dam: 35 | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 110 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 00:06:08 %??boring beetle 00:06:15 acidic...? 00:06:18 huh 00:06:19 I was wrong 00:06:26 I really thought they were acidic. I thought I even checked 00:06:32 are you thinking of dissolution 00:06:35 hahaha 00:06:44 well, dissolution & boring beetles are very similar. 00:06:46 it's a natural mistake 00:06:52 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:12 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 00:07:28 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:07:51 boy, is my face red. 00:08:13 Clearly everyone misses spiny worms, so we should give boring beetles acid melee too 00:08:25 maybe they're what I was thinking of 00:08:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3414-gdc1dcd3 (34) 00:11:08 ugh, git.develz is down, I can't try and guess what 4.1 earthwurms were like 00:12:33 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:51 -!- Keanan has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:12:53 PleasingFungus: You removed all the bat vault descriptions 00:13:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:14 ...don't tell me the bat vault disappeared again 00:13:16 incorrect 00:13:26 I moved them to the vault monster area 00:13:27 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:38 the bat vault can never truly die 00:13:59 03kilobyte02 {Grunt} 07* 0.14-a0-3415-g3405a27: Remove a bunch of not-0.13 items from the changelog. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3405a27b0e7a 00:13:59 03|amethyst02 {Grunt} 07* 0.14-a0-3416-gab2fbe3: Update 0.13 changelog through 0.13.0-58-ga7b73c1 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab2fbe36f943 00:13:59 03kilobyte02 {Grunt} 07* 0.14-a0-3417-g8c6bfbc: Changelog for 0.13.1 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c6bfbca7fb3 00:13:59 03|amethyst02 {Grunt} 07* 0.14-a0-3418-g7bab918: A few more 0.13.1 changelog fixes. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bab918f9faf 00:13:59 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-3419-gdb3688e: A few changelog entries for a (soon-to-be?) 0.13.2 release. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db3688e883ed 00:14:00 03Grunt02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-29-g71f4f6b: A few changelog entries for a (soon-to-be?) 0.13.2 release. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=71f4f6b505ed 00:14:01 so long as the love of bat (mega & micro) lives on in the hearts of man. 00:14:26 (Whatever happened to "Cherry-picked[...]?") 00:15:11 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:25 * Grunt goes to sleep. 00:15:27 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:16:15 * tenofswords mumbles previous apologies 00:16:41 mumbling? so gauchè 00:16:59 -!- quinoa_rex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:17:50 * Bcadren doesn't like that literally everything is 'killdudes'. 00:18:04 pff 00:18:09 ely 00:20:05 Yea, I suppose it's possible to win with only pacifications with Ely, but...hell. 00:20:30 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 00:22:16 tenofswords: any other corrections re: text changes? I can put up a patch without the boring beetle error, if not. 00:23:10 that boring, beetle error 00:23:12 I'll look at more closely in the morning 00:23:31 changing trj's desc is treason or something 00:23:48 Suppose it's also in theory possible to get Neme to give you a bunch of decks of wonders and get XP cards... 00:24:10 most of it looks good to me other than that 00:24:15 oh, is someone trying to make it not particularly rich, golden, or gelatinous? kill them 00:24:27 trj thing was taken from something said earlier 00:24:38 let me see if I can pull it up 00:24:51 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:25:12 PleasingFungus: it is important that the first sentence stays the same! 00:25:15 ??royal jelly 00:25:15 royal jelly[1/1]: A 5000 nutrition food that also restores abilities. For the boss of the Slime Pits, see {the royal jelly}. 00:25:27 Is the whole wiki and tavern down? 00:25:39 ah, I was wondering if it was a joke about that 00:26:07 ??the royal jelly 00:26:07 the royal jelly[1/6]: Boss of the Slime Pits. Damage causes the creation of high-level Js such as acid blobs and azure jellies, which will never be on the other side of a wall and give no experience. When killed, the level allows teleport control, and the loot chamber walls become transparent and diggable. 00:26:10 ??the royal jelly[2 00:26:11 the royal jelly[2/6]: Use of a narrow corridor will be very helpful for a melee player. Spellcasters may prefer using Haste and ranged attacks; as the royal jelly is fastest, the spawns can be left behind by running. 00:26:43 PleasingFungus: there had better not be a period in that commit title... 00:26:56 hahaha 00:27:01 And it must be present-tense! 00:27:16 the dev gollum hates paste tense! it hates it! 00:27:16 it's sort of indeterminate tense 00:27:22 er past 00:27:30 paste tense is pretty gross. 00:27:38 so pasty 00:27:52 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:11 I notice that Grunt uses periods in his commit titles 00:28:19 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:23 that is one of his many jokes 00:29:25 !tell Grunt ULTIMATUM: Stop using periods in your commit titles or else! 00:29:25 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 00:29:34 It's pretty annoying that Royal Jelly 'Summons' are permanents. 00:29:59 it is a unique challenge 00:30:01 now 00:30:27 ah, found it 00:30:29 [2014-03-19 21:04:43] there was this description for trj in that dic that mentioned it tunneling and burning through the air in a nicely gruesome fashion (due to speed, I guess) and about swarms of tiny gross jellies swirling underneath a translucent skin 00:30:42 I've killed TRJ and been unable to get the rune because of how full of crap that floor was left...had to invest enough to get Tele control to ninja it out. 00:30:56 ??dic 00:30:56 I don't have a page labeled dic in my learndb. Did you mean: dig, dis, disc. 00:30:59 sounds kind of gross 00:31:02 haha 00:31:12 anyway a half-remembered version of that was what I put in 00:31:13 I honestly like it's regal description. It's a jelly with a sense of style 00:31:48 I do agree that the current description is iconic, so maybe only add a line or two to it 00:31:56 yeah the version in the revised patch is 00:32:06 +A particularly rich and golden gelatinous thing. Smaller jellies swim and pulse just below its surface, bursting forth whenever attacks provide the disruption needed for them to escape. 00:32:07 is the patch in a bug report? 00:32:16 oh that's not bad 00:32:20 right, explain the spawning 00:32:24 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8296 ; please note that I fucked up boring beetles' description 00:32:43 There's one thing I'd have to say about Batform that's a little glitchy...you can (t)ell everything on screen to do stuff, but because of your form, you are so quiet enemies don't hear you [so how did all your slaves hear you.] 00:33:08 they are listening very closely. 00:33:14 also it'd be dumb if they couldn't hear you 00:33:18 hrm, I like the idea behind that bursting forth bit, but can we clean up the wording some? 00:33:19 vampiric telepathy 00:33:41 gammafunk: sure, what are you thinking? 00:33:41 something about being injured? 00:33:58 maybe that would also be awkward 00:34:04 it's almost there, just needs a tweak! 00:34:05 I think if they are permasummons they should at least give XP, I'm sure all the spawns you end up making would have higher total XP than you get from TRJ. 00:34:13 I guess the current text is ambiguous about whose attacks are doing the disrupting 00:34:15 let me think 00:34:22 yeah, that's what I mean 00:34:26 the first clause is great 00:34:29 trj regens so uh 00:34:32 Bcadren: oh god, that would be the most abusable thing in the world 00:34:43 oh wow there's an excuse for flesh golems being made of iron in their desc 00:34:49 I mean TRJ's XP is only 7 times that of an acid blob. 00:35:02 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:35:23 yes, I did that when I brought up flesh golems previously being made of clay :p 00:35:36 haha 00:35:43 The swarms TRJ makes makes it necessary to have a crowd control spell or a source of cTele to get the rune really... 00:36:18 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:28 leave the floor, wait, come back, kill the jellies individually 00:36:47 be more diesel 00:37:41 PleasingFungus not really...I mean...you can't pick off 400+ things individually, then it feels tedious and you lose piety because they are non-XP ones. 00:37:54 400 00:38:08 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 00:39:11 PleasingFungus: what about "Smaller jellies seem to crowd and pulse just below its surface, ready to burst forth at the slightest touch." 00:39:16 from archaeo in webtiles 00:39:22 he's good a words andsuch 00:39:56 * Bcadren is going to restaurant its computer. 00:40:04 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...] 00:40:05 ... 00:40:10 uh 00:40:18 well, that was definitely bcadren. 00:40:24 1learn 00:40:47 !learn add Bcardren * Bcadren is going to restaurant its computer. 00:40:47 Bcardren[1/1]: * Bcadren is going to restaurant its computer. 00:40:57 oops 00:41:03 rip 00:41:04 !learn del Bcardren 00:41:04 Deleted Bcardren[1/1]: * Bcadren is going to restaurant its computer. 00:41:23 !learn add Bcadren * Bcadren is going to restaurant its computer. 00:41:23 bcadren[6/6]: * Bcadren is going to restaurant its computer. 00:41:36 "And it looks like this plant died many {{ if you.branch() == "Crypt" or you.branch() == "Tomb" then return "centuries"; else return "years"; end }} ago." 00:41:43 hmmmm lua descriptions 00:41:44 hm. I didn't like "the slightest touch" at first, but it's growing on me. 00:42:02 MarvinPA: that description is CRITICAL to my verismillitude 00:42:18 PleasingFungus: well you could probably tweak that 00:43:28 Yeah I actually added (or tried to) lua support for checkign player gold so that Asterion could make fun of you if you're poor 00:43:35 haha 00:43:38 come to think of it, not sure if any of that text made it in 00:44:34 "ready to burst forth at the slightest breach?" "ready to burst forth at the slightest [hint of] damage?" 00:44:44 no, no, no 00:45:06 -!- w4ldf33 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:48:47 eh, 'the slightest touch' is fine. that's enough agonizing over one description. 00:48:55 anything else I should change? 00:49:14 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 00:49:56 let me take a quick look 00:50:05 ok, thanks! 00:50:05 oh sorry, bug link again? 00:50:11 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8296 00:50:53 oh god yes, that serpent of hell description was overreaching 00:51:04 can you come up with something for the tar serpent maybe? since that sort of has the same issue as the coc one (except it's not quite as bad) 00:51:24 "It 00:51:26 -emanates from this massive white dragon" 00:51:29 wow 00:51:31 maybe what's already there can just be reworded a bit not to be constantly referring to "you" 00:51:33 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:52:13 oh, that's a simple change. 00:52:52 'A pair of lurid magenta eyes hanging in the darkness, the outline of a vast, sinuous dragon just barely distinguishable behind it. Its malice is palpable.' 00:53:16 'you' could also be removed from the dis description 00:53:32 "and a memory to die for." ; glad that was kept in <3 00:53:34 s/distinguishable/visible 00:54:02 well-thewed leg, haha 00:57:04 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:08 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:50 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:57:56 !lg * ikiller=great_orb_of_eyes kaux='' 00:57:58 95. foxfinger the Grappler (L10 GhGl of Okawaru), mangled by a great orb of eyes on D:9 (hangedman_cross_veins) on 2014-02-12 10:51:46, with 6476 points after 7895 turns and 0:34:50. 00:58:09 wow, 95 kills due to eyeteeth 00:58:22 I checked the damage on the melee attack before writing that 00:58:25 it's surprisingly high 00:58:45 considering, you know. orb of eyes 00:58:45 !lg * ikiller=great_orb_of_eyes kaux='' max=xl 00:58:47 95. TempMfCr the Phalangite (L25 MfCr of Okawaru), mangled by a great orb of eyes on Slime:6 (slime_pit) on 2011-04-03 09:48:30, with 406489 points after 98242 turns and 10:38:20. 00:58:59 sad, sad way to go 00:59:05 but also really funny 00:59:20 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:03:10 wow, bh really does like alliteration 01:03:48 I'm guessing he did the raiju? 01:04:10 PleasingFungus: well, I've looke through them all at least. I was going to complain that the plural or vortexes is voritices, but M-W does list vortexes as an alternate pluralisation 01:04:23 yeah, he made raiju 01:04:42 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:42 -!- rchandra1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:56 I was thinking about using 'vortices', but it seemed like a strange match to the vortex monster 01:05:02 if that makes any sense 01:05:12 it *is* a good word, though 01:05:15 Yeah, it's probably best to keep it 01:05:42 crawl uses vortices 01:06:01 -!- rchandra has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:06:02 oh, does it? 01:06:06 vv 2 fire vortices 01:06:08 -!- rchandra1 is now known as rchandra 01:06:17 PleasingFungus: perhaps also use vortices for that then 01:06:36 ok 01:06:38 can do 01:07:01 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:07:54 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:23:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23:47 revised patch is up, I'm going to bed. thank you very much for the feedback! 01:24:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140319030201]] 01:28:07 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:30:59 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:31:16 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 01:34:58 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:40:00 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:40:43 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:42:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:43:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:54 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:55:29 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:59:40 Pain elemental 01:59:43 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:24 I can't reach tavern still 02:00:29 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 02:04:02 -!- soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:13 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:32 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.13.1-29-g71f4f6b 02:18:56 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:57 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3419-gdb3688e (34) 02:23:00 -!- DracoOmega_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:24:50 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 02:27:04 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:28:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:35 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:39 -!- w4ldf33 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:34:49 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35:40 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:40:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:43 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:43:27 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:27 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 02:43:27 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:47 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:44:29 -!- jeffro- has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 02:44:39 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:18 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:46:47 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:50:59 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:52:40 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:01:19 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:01:28 -!- notnotcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:02:09 shadow demon (062) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-71 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 21 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 713 | Sp: shadow creatures, sum.demon | Sz: small | Int: high. 03:02:09 %??shadow demon 03:02:22 do those actually spawn? I've never seen one. 03:05:17 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:47 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14:52 How do you do the thing where you search recent commits? 03:15:04 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:18:00 -!- MiracleKinacle has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:19:43 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:11 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:21:13 Random crashes while exploring first levels by derrek 03:25:04 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:31:34 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:49 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37:57 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:38:29 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:39 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:42:16 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 03:42:38 -!- buzzykins has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:43:34 -!- derrek has quit [Client Quit] 03:46:07 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 03:48:04 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 03:50:56 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:52:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:03:29 -!- DeathrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:10:12 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:10:16 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:15:51 -!- confidenceinterv has quit [Client Quit] 04:20:50 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:23:07 Am I the only one that finds it odd that imps have higher elemental defenses than 3's? 04:24:51 <|amethyst> do they? 04:24:59 ice devil (163) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 44-77 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 1612(cold:11-32) | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(88), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 757 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 04:24:59 <|amethyst> %??ice devil 04:25:02 sun demon (083) | Spd: 12 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-71 | AC/EV: 10/12 | Dam: 3004(fire:10-19) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(80), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 807 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 04:25:02 <|amethyst> %??sun demon 04:28:20 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:47 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:15 -!- soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:26 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:38:09 wait, what does drowning vulnerability mean? 04:38:15 extra primal wave damage? 04:38:22 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 04:39:41 I spent a lot time considering giving them colors, then just didn't in the proposal, but...based on my playing bats, I think this could be a lot of fun [though I'd say Spriggans would get the same effect with Spell Hunger removed.] https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11421 04:40:14 |amethyst I was more talking about how Crimson Imps have rF+++, rHellfire...while Smoke demons have rF++, rSticky. 04:40:50 -!- SkaryMonk2 is now known as SkaryMonk 04:46:08 -!- soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:10 <|amethyst> Bcadren: not every 3 has higher resistances than every 5 04:49:19 shadow imp (065) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 6 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11 | Sp: pain (d8), animate dead | Sz: little | Int: normal. 04:49:19 <|amethyst> %??shadow imp 04:49:25 smoke demon (153) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 5/9 | Dam: 8, 5, 5 | 05demonic, 10doors, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(56), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 430 | Sp: sticky flame range (3d4), steam ball (3d12), smiting (7-17) | Sz: small | Int: normal. 04:49:25 <|amethyst> %??smoke demon 04:49:44 <|amethyst> for example, smoke demons have no rC, but shadow imps do 04:50:11 Smoke demons are 'fire' side and should be compared to Crimson imps and red devils 04:50:15 crimson imp (055) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-18 | AC/EV: 3/14 | Dam: 4 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fly, regen, !sil | Res: 06magic(36), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 48 | Sp: blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 04:50:15 %??crimson imp 04:50:19 red devil (054) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 22-41 | AC/EV: 7/13 | Dam: 19 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(65), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 319 | Sp: blink | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 04:50:19 %??red devil 04:50:23 sun demon (083) | Spd: 12 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-71 | AC/EV: 10/12 | Dam: 3004(fire:10-19) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(80), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 807 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 04:50:23 <|amethyst> %??sun demon 04:50:38 <|amethyst> sun demon are the 'fire' 3 04:50:44 <|amethyst> s/demon/demons/ 04:50:54 Oh I thought Smoke Demons where because of the Sticky 04:51:02 <|amethyst> They are the napalm 3 :) 04:51:10 <|amethyst> also, smoke demons don't have rC- 04:52:11 <|amethyst> Probably smoke demons don't fall inside the four series... not that the four series really match up on all levels 04:53:41 I was thinking about a new elemental. Something to Roam the Abyss, a Pain Elemental. [A being actually made of pain.] 04:54:14 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:27 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 04:55:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:45 I'm not actually sure how to write it; the unique effect though is (like all elementals) its attack is PURE its elemental (all Pain); and as it is made of pain, it gains HD on hit. (but unlike other monsters that doesn't increase its HP, only the dam from the pain). Would also absorb (heal and gain HD) from Draining and Pain attacks. Non-living, Plant intelligence. 05:10:26 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:33 <|amethyst> so no melee at all? 05:12:04 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 196 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 05:12:04 %??fire elemental 05:12:27 <|amethyst> "fire" is a damage type in Crawl; "pain" is not 05:12:51 Shadow Fiend (061) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-122 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2505(pain), 1513(drain), 1513(drain) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2498 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), b.draining (3d25), s.torment, dispel undead (3d27) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 05:12:51 %??shadow fiend 05:12:59 It shows up like that. 05:13:29 Pain as an enemy effect is same as player 'Pain' brand with HD as the Necro skill. 05:13:41 <|amethyst> So you mean like that, but 0 base damage? 05:13:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:49 <|amethyst> absorbing draining and pain attacks would be irrelevabnt 05:14:53 <|amethyst> s/abnt/ant/ 05:15:03 <|amethyst> since no one's going to zap it with a spell it's immune to 05:15:48 <|amethyst> I guess it could be relevant to pain brand, if the player doesn't have a sawp 05:15:51 <|amethyst> swap 05:16:13 <|amethyst> blink frogs' ability kind of works because it's so hard to swap away from distortion 05:16:22 Yes, though it'd pretty much like 0(pain), 0 (pain), 0 (pain). [Pain is 1dHD]. 05:17:08 <|amethyst> Pain would be 0 damage 05:17:18 <|amethyst> because of plant intelligence 05:17:41 <|amethyst> you'd have to give it some real intelligence, or special case it, so that it has necromancy skill 05:17:45 Oh derp, have to do some unique effect to have it work, then... 05:18:05 Pain elemental has been a thing in a few other games and since with have elementals; it feels like an interesting thing to roam Pan, Abyss or Hell (not sure which) 05:18:14 <|amethyst> also, this thing is completely harmless to undead 05:18:44 <|amethyst> or anything with rN 05:18:50 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:19:29 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:21 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:21:41 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:22:23 True, true. Pain elemental as an idea though is like; it gains strength from ANY pain, including its own. It likes inflicting suffering. 05:24:14 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:26:55 What if it was normal Dam (but it grew with HD; while HP didn't) and it gains HD when anything suffers nearby. (You kill anything that isn't undead; Anything gets Tormented, etc. And when it is hit for enough dam)...eventually turning into a melee monstrousity if you don't wipe it out quickly. 05:30:12 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:40:21 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:42:02 -!- radinms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:49:52 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: SurpriseTRex] 05:50:44 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:51:20 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:26 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 06:04:10 -!- playerghost has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:10:23 -!- playerghost has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:11:11 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:11:59 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:17:02 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:55 I don't like Crawl Salamanders. I mean...for practical reasons I like the enemy, but I don't like how they don't line up with legend. 06:20:00 doesn't crawl have death yaks 06:20:18 i'm not sure those line up with any legend that's not on adult swim 06:20:24 Mythological salamanders are beings of extreme cold that are able to live in fire, because their body temperatures never get warm enough to die. Crawl salamanders are just beings of fire. 06:20:35 -!- zammy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:21:10 <|amethyst> Bcadren: according to paracelsus, they were fire elementals 06:22:01 True enough; I was thinking of Druidic legend. Legends always vary with region. 06:23:31 I'm not sure how Ettin (Norse Fire elementals) ended up as two-headed giants here... 06:24:59 have you ever read dungeons and dragons 06:25:28 <|amethyst> why do you say ettins are norse? 06:26:51 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:27:54 Modern terminology I admit. Ettin, an obsolete English cognate to the Old Norse Jötunn from the Old English Eoten. In modern usage Ettin (English) is used for Muspeljotunn (fire or lava giants); Jotunn is used for 'regular' (frost or stone giants); and Thurse (German) is used for NiflJotunn (Ice or Glacial Giants)...Aesirskin (the Waves or Water Giantesses) are less frequently spoken of. 06:28:36 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:40 Mostly because there are fewer myths about Aesirskin as they live in Aesirheim (at the bottom of the sea) and don't mess with the other giants or gods much. 06:29:01 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 06:29:14 Derp. I meant Aegir...Aegir and Aesir are completely different. 06:29:21 derp indeed 06:29:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:29:57 Aegir is the god of the Sea. Aesir, just means 'god'. 06:33:56 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:01 Norse-Giant inspired crawl race might be interesting... Deformed body by default, huge size, blood magic (hurts self while casting in order to increase damage)...perhaps give them Evolution 2 as a permanent. (More magic-affine Jotunn often became increasingly deformed as they practiced; the shapeshifter Loki and his mother Laufey being rare exceptions). 06:35:29 so that's why loki was so mean; his mom always laufed at him 06:37:39 * Bcadren throws a large rock at debo. 06:38:00 i get enough of that in angband variants, thank you very much 06:38:05 aegir is also the god of beer 06:39:34 I know he throws parties for drowned people in his castle at the bottom of the sea, but I don't know about actually being a god OF VERR. lol 06:40:02 Norse gods always seemed to be more 'interesting character' than 'god of thing' where Greek were more 'god of thing' and list of concrete duties. 06:41:37 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:58 I'm not sure. the norse gods seemed to me only slightly more wild than the greek gods. 06:42:38 everyone might have had a specific jobs with the greeks, but you can't say that they didn't know how to have fun. 06:43:09 zeus's older mesopotamian forms were really wild 06:43:10 he really had a baal 06:43:16 Yea; Greek gods did have some wild characters among the main pantheon, Zeus's adultry and all, but the farther you spiral out the more...on dimensional god that is a name and over something. you get...there are also HUNDREDs of named Greek gods...Norse...not so much. 06:43:32 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 06:44:50 that might just because we have more literature from the greeks than from the norse? the norse stuff got written down when christianity was already being established, having already drowned out some of the smaller gods 06:45:08 Like Nyx, Goddess of Night. Mentioned as being one of the first Goddess born in the Theogony...and...that's it; there's really nothing about what she looks like or what she does...she's just 'goddess of night.' 06:45:26 I was talking abot things like that more than house gods. 06:47:39 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:15 03PleasingFungus02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.14-a0-3420-gfbd3073: Revised monster descriptions 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 116+ 126-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbd3073f5ed1 06:49:31 well, we don't know what hasn't survived and we also don't know what has been lost over time that hasn't been written down at all. 06:50:11 And most of what we have (the edda) was written by a Catholic trying to preserve the culture and might be biased by his catholicism. 06:50:55 for example if you ask the common european citizen what the saint christopher is all about, you might be lucky if you get a more verbose answer than "the patron of travelers" (if at all) 06:51:33 yeah, there might have been lots he left out because of space, importancy, or personal opinion. 06:52:15 There are so many saints. >_< 06:52:28 I'm not Catholic, I swear. 06:52:50 this is one of the most popular. I didn't choose an obscure one :) 06:54:30 !tell gammafunk the new mana viper desc talks about "naga mystics" which is a nice term and all but actually isn't a monster and creates some confusion since salamander mystics do exist 06:54:30 dck: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 06:55:16 Sometimes I remember a few of them. One of my Catholic friends prayed to the Patron Saints of lost causes, bomb-makers, the joke-saint "Expedite"...I want to say the Patron of Bomb-makers is Miranda or Amanda...or something like that. 06:57:34 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:59 is there a current .deb of trunk available anywhere 06:58:17 dck You're right. All there is to Makhbat is using your speed to kite things with weak attacks and that was the base idea of the race; though strong enough it could at least be your killdudes for the whole game. I guess a lot of people wouldn't enjoy kiting everything though. 07:01:55 So is countertraining leaving? 07:04:09 It probably should, I would maybe even suggest crosstraining between some schools but in practice this already exists in the form of multi-school spell and it's done in a more interesting way like that. 07:08:52 Perhaps the way to get a demonic race in and duck the 'no hunger clock' demon is give them their own foodclocklike thing...like maybe demons gain their sustenence from causing pain or form actually directly killing things... 07:12:32 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:52 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:33 Make a demon player race that doesn't heal naturally, but gets HP/MP on kills maybe 07:13:59 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:15:42 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:16:59 see poschengband for interesting and/or frustrating monster race hunger mechanics 07:17:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:45 Well one thing that is sort of basic is why is a demonic race desirable in the first place. 07:18:32 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:18:36 rN+++, rHellfire, Also Holy-- (though taking 150% damage from Holy monsters only affects Zigs, rare Depths vaults and Holy Pan) 07:19:11 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:37 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:21:53 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:25:30 That and flavor. Most our races are living. Mummies, Vampires and Ghouls are undead. We have no demonic (Demonspawn are still natural) or Holy races. 07:25:54 leaving aside the fact resistances can't carry a race very well even when they matter, rN only affects maybe three threatening monsters in normal games and player rHellfire is a bit strange 07:26:09 because the whole point of hellfire is having a way of dealing noticeable amounts of irresistible damage to post-endgame characters which normally come out unscathed from normal threats 07:26:52 well and the fact rHellfire also means immunity to all fire which imo is ridiculous if the player gets it 07:27:16 since fire is used as a common threat basically everywhere in the dungeon 07:27:38 and just nullifying those threats doesn't sound very interesting 07:28:30 Flavor-wise, I think Ds are a good race that conveys demonic facets of crawl without being just a demonic holiness monster pasted into a player race. 07:29:10 And mostly, I don't think different holiness out of natural and undead are meant to translate well into a player race to begin with. 07:29:30 <|amethyst> if the concern is having a race with a particular holiness, just rename ghouls so that they're demons 07:30:32 mm gh^fedhas 07:30:47 <|amethyst> the only real differences are dispel undead and rP+++ 07:31:29 <|amethyst> well, and god things 07:33:55 What would be an interesting player demon, I think is if you had to kill something ever so often...and had no natural healing (nor could heal form pots or wands), but healed some on kills (boosted by Makh). 07:35:32 -!- Escalator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:27 -!- Anonmoose has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:45:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:20 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:58:50 You know; Hellfire is really unique to Gehenna. None o the other hells have a threat that you -only- face there...The other three fiend types use just bolts you'd seen everywhere and all the hell branches spam torment. 08:03:37 <|amethyst> hellions also occur in Dis and Tar; brimstone fiends in Dis; Dispater in Dis; deep elf high priests in D and in Elf; deep elf sorcerers in V and Elf; and draconian zealots and scorchers in Zot 08:05:31 <|amethyst> and several of those in Pan as well 08:06:04 <|amethyst> also, what "other three" fiend types? 08:06:44 rename them "rotting devils" 08:06:46 hell sents, too 08:06:55 <|amethyst> hell sentinels do have hellfire 08:07:02 <|amethyst> so that couldn't have been the fourth 08:07:16 no, I mean for hellfire users out of geh 08:07:18 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:08:05 <|amethyst> dck: hell sentinels don't spawn in the other hells, though, only Geh 08:08:13 <|amethyst> Brimstone fiends do 08:08:26 <|amethyst> (not in Coc though) 08:08:29 Brimstone Fiends, which are relatively common in Gehenna use Hellfire. Ice Fiends just use b.Cold; Shadow Fiend just use b.Draining (switches to Dispel Undead if you are Undead)...Executioners are essentially melee only. 08:08:34 but they spawn in dis, too. 08:08:39 <|amethyst> executioners aren't fiends 08:08:39 |amethyst: hell sentinals are in dis, yeah 08:08:39 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:09:05 dis_st wasn't updated at first when hell sentinels were introduced 08:09:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: maybe in vaults 08:09:12 <|amethyst> they aren't on the population list 08:09:12 |amethyst: hell effects 08:09:24 huh, that's strange 08:09:30 yeah, perhaps not, but hell effects and vaults probably produce more than the random spawns 08:09:40 <|amethyst> maybe hell effects shouldn't generate monsters that aren't on the random list 08:09:57 |amethyst: probably they shoudl just be on the list 08:10:35 To be honesty, I think most player encounters with fiends in the hells are from hell effects and vaults 08:10:44 s/honesty/honest/ 08:11:03 What if Ice Fiends used Refrigeration...since that ignores AC and only checks rC... 08:11:04 Also Bcadren ice fiends use af_cold with multiple attacks and high HD which is a bit important I would say 08:11:42 |amethyst: ice fiends also aren't in the pop_coc list 08:11:59 <|amethyst> so they're not 08:12:07 <|amethyst> in fact, they're only on the Pan list 08:12:20 yeah none of the fiends on the random lists, looks like 08:12:23 They have set spawn positions on Cocytus: 7 usually...even if they aren't random spawns in 1-6. 08:12:29 oh 08:12:33 except brimstones... 08:12:34 weird 08:12:52 <|amethyst> which is in both the geh and dis lists 08:12:59 what about the rest of 1s? 08:13:05 nope 08:13:12 huh 08:13:15 brimstones are special, it seems 08:13:44 oh, but they have 08:13:47 Weaker base attack, but Hellfire checks nothing... 08:13:54 { 3, 7, 8, PEAK, MONS_BRIMSTONE_FIEND }, 08:13:58 weight of 8 08:14:03 so they don't spawn much 08:14:18 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:32 yeah, it seems that hell effects and vaults are the "intended" way to fight t-1 in hell 08:15:00 As people in the tavern like to point out. Post-game (especially hells) is about elimating choice. Most enemies resist most things so a lot of killdudes methods are walled off. Meanwhile really high elemental resistances are needed on you. 08:15:09 they used to be just plain "fiend", possibly that is why they're on some spawn lists or whatever 08:15:38 but yeah the hell effects and vault placements are the relevant things 08:16:14 I guess the others could be in the relevant hell populations with similarly low weight, but I doubt it matters 08:16:57 I guess Imp became Crimson Imp and Fiend became Brimstone Fiend at the same time... 08:17:03 not sure what a weight of 8 actually translates to, but one probably gets generated in geh less than once per game on average (for games where players go to geh) 08:17:08 <|amethyst> not the same time, but not far apart 08:17:11 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:17:41 <|amethyst> I think one day apart :) 08:17:49 <|amethyst> %git 43440df 08:17:50 07MarvinPA02 * 0.10-a0-1355-g43440df: Rename imps to crimson imps 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 22 files, 45+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43440dfe3f50 08:17:54 <|amethyst> %git 8460267 08:17:55 07elliptic02 * 0.10-a0-1393-g8460267: Fiend -> Brimstone Fiend. 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 16 files, 31+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8460267cb0cb 08:18:09 and then way later, Dragon -> Fire Dragon 08:19:18 <|amethyst> I guess hell sentinels are too tough to be the hell effect spawn for Dis? 08:19:33 no, they are a hell effect spawn, unless I'm crazy 08:19:34 Fire ones I guess were considered the 'common' weaker one...then the elemental ones stronger? o_o; 08:20:08 Fiend (041) | Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 77-121 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Damage: 25, 15, 15 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(288), 05hellfire, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 4695 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), torment symbol, melee. 08:20:08 <|amethyst> %0.9?fiend 08:20:09 Ice Fiend (161) | Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 77-121 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Damage: 2512(cold:18-53), 2512(cold:18-53) | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(288), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 3022 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), torment symbol, demon. 08:20:09 <|amethyst> %0.9?ice fiend 08:20:18 <|amethyst> if not sure about "weaker" 08:20:24 <|amethyst> s/if/I'm/ 08:20:32 hm 08:21:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3421-g5ee5263: More monster description improvements 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 19+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ee52639f2ab 08:21:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3422-g39c809c: Rewrap descriptions 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 29+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39c809c54b9a 08:21:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3423-g7f1221b: Tweak mana viper description (dck) 10(84 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f1221ba96b0 08:21:24 Pit Fiend (071) | Speed: 8 | HD: 19 | Health: 99-148 | AC/EV: 17/5 | Damage: 28, 21, 21 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(304), 05hellfire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4470 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), melee, torment symbol. 08:21:24 %0.9?pit fiend 08:21:52 oh right they were slow 08:24:59 I know you are just suposed to dive and all that, but I still have to say Hell branches 1-6 feel like the laziest branches (I did clear them once). 08:25:30 MarvinPA: do we not use 80 chars for the mosnter description lines? 08:27:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:28:44 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 08:28:55 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:17 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:16 yeah, i thought that's what i wrapped it to 08:31:55 the "A massive white dragon, covered with shards of gleaming ice, wholly possessed by" line is 79 08:32:02 which is why I asked 08:32:54 <|amethyst> $ echo -n 'A massive white dragon, covered with shards of gleaming ice, wholly possessed by' | wc -c 08:32:57 <|amethyst> 80 08:32:58 -!- xFleury has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:33:09 well emacs is lying or something 08:33:33 what was wrong with the demonic plant desc :( 08:33:39 I think that's my problem here I'm thinking more in flavor and emergent gameplay than the practicality. 08:33:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: emacs starts at column 0 08:33:54 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so if it says the last column is 79, that means it's 80 wide 08:34:12 |amethyst: well it doesn't wrap either :p 08:34:29 hrm, I guess fill-column of 80 08:34:45 must also be 0-based 08:35:04 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people.] 08:35:06 so I guess I'll used 79 from now on then 08:35:06 <|amethyst> oh, I see what you mean 08:35:32 <|amethyst> that line was wrapped at 79 08:36:48 |amethyst: Yeah, the problem was really I didn't know how fill-column works and it's 0-based as you say 08:37:49 yeah i probably just got mixed up and did it wrong there, i just did it manually where i noticed it was off in that commit so there's probably a better approach :P 08:38:33 <|amethyst> the transifex script wraps to 79 characters 08:38:49 |amethyst: I think that's the accepted way to do it, yeah 08:39:06 I just didn't realize that column meant "emacs 0-based columns" 08:39:11 but I should have realized that 08:39:28 that fill-column mean, I should say 08:39:34 meant 08:39:54 <|amethyst> I don't think it does 08:40:49 <|amethyst> fill column of 80 causes an 81-character line to wrap and an 80-character line not to wrap 08:41:42 |amethyst: it does for me 08:42:44 oh, wait, you said 80 *char* line not to wrap; yeah that's what I mean 08:43:14 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:43:46 -!- wat2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:44:02 "Column beyond which automatic line-wrapping should happen." 08:44:08 is the emacs documentation for the variable 08:46:04 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-3424-g5348755: Some more description fixes. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5348755068cd 08:46:05 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:50:00 I got an email from someone about "a dungeon crawl game that never updated from CLAN server to akrasiac." There's a language barrier and also an I-haven't-thought-about-this-in-detail barrier, does anyone know what this person might mean? 08:50:00 rax: You have 25 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:50:49 rax: Sounds like someone thinks games automatically sync to all crawl servers :) 08:50:50 They linked me to a win morgue (http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/zammy/morgue-zammy-20140316-121327.txt ) so I'm assuming it's not a savefile but something about scoring 08:51:04 Oh, the scoring page? 08:51:12 Someone said scoring wasn't updating 08:51:17 it is now 08:51:25 did some games get missed? 08:51:58 doesn't seem that way, but it might be possible 08:52:20 it looks like this one isn't there so the player is correct in that regard 08:52:43 yeah, looking at http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/zammy.html it's missing still 08:53:45 I'm not sure what to do about that, though. What code/what server handles scoring aggregation? 08:53:57 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:17 <|amethyst> hm 08:59:35 <|amethyst> yeah, that game was missed somehow in the scoring updates 09:01:15 Natasha can use wands by mrbobbyg 09:01:53 -!- Naphistim has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:56 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:17 I'm going to send the user email thanking them for making us aware of it; is there anything else I can do from there? 09:02:46 <|amethyst> not that I know of 09:02:47 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:57 <|amethyst> the scoring script died on 03-16 09:03:00 -!- vible has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:03:03 <|amethyst> I restarted it on 03-19 09:03:47 <|amethyst> but that *should* have pulled updates between 03-16 and 03-19 09:04:10 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:16 <|amethyst> there are other problems too: some duplicate games from CKR 09:04:25 <|amethyst> but re-generating the database takes weeks 09:06:54 oof 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and i can't remember if it does now or not 15:44:04 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:44:22 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve 15:44:49 ontoclasm: steamboxes are going to be linux based, so valve is putting a ton of effort into making stuff work right on linux 15:45:18 still somewhat limited game selection but even that is catching up rapidly 15:46:54 steam is specifically targeting ubuntu for its linux offerings 15:47:34 steam itself works perfectly in wine nowadays anyway 15:47:45 though you might need --no-dwrite 15:48:53 i got some things working in wine last time, it was just a hassle 15:48:59 but that was like... six years ago now 15:49:04 i imagine it's better 15:51:12 wine is much better now, yes 15:51:42 [21:41:46]