00:00:04 raskol: that'd be just 3 cats, wouldn't it? 00:00:25 you've got some messed up cats, man. 00:00:37 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 00:04:04 http://messybeast.com/polycaudal/polycaudal.htm 00:05:31 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:06:31 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:06:57 cats are weird. 00:08:02 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:08:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3289-g9acb974 (34) 00:11:38 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:14:35 ...okay, let's see how many typos I made. 00:15:03 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:10 Only two, apparently!? 00:15:18 -!- crate has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:33 impossible 00:16:14 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:16:59 -!- Orshelack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:17:22 http://sprunge.us/LhTZ 00:17:38 * Grunt wanders off to sleep. 00:19:43 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:21:01 -!- Escalator has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 00:21:51 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:22:08 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:29 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:10 Grunt: That still doesn't have the sensed monsters change. I don't see any other problems, though. 00:27:59 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:26 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0a1/20140227030203]] 00:29:36 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! 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I don't think I'm ready for Zot yet. 03:53:23 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56:00 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:56:33 Bcadren: the people in this channel give really bad advice, go to ##crawl 03:56:34 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:12:47 hey I've won before 04:15:31 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:19:49 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:57 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:59 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:37 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:26:16 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:23 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 04:44:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:37 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01:59 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:18:26 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:59 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25:13 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:07 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:39:48 -!- nyfair has quit [Quit: love fuck no fuck, no fuck roll egg, have many ppl wanna fuck.] 05:59:59 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03:38 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:11:39 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:15:17 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21:18 -!- Pepe has quit [Client Quit] 06:25:35 -!- Pepe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:12 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 06:33:35 -!- Snaaty has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:33:59 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:36:12 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:44:59 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:49 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:03:08 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:11:09 gammafunk: thanks for getting that patch in. I forgot that my home text editor didn't have whitespace trimming -- I'll sort that out. 07:13:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:26 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:18:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 07:18:47 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:30 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 07:26:27 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:31 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:31:52 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:14 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:55:21 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:55:21 -!- rubinko_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:55:37 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:56:59 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:04:05 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:59 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 08:09:40 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:11:31 -!- _aardvark has quit [] 08:19:57 -!- rubinko__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:33 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:22:12 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 08:23:46 -!- gnum has quit [Client Quit] 08:28:07 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:33:05 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:33:50 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:53 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:39:20 !tell gammafunk thanks for getting that patch in. I forgot that my home text editor didn't have whitespace trimming -- I'll sort that out. 08:39:21 Lasty1: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 08:47:09 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54:23 -!- Grujah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:01:40 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:49 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:06:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:14 -!- gnum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:11:11 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:59 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 267 seconds] 09:15:58 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:18:39 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:49 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:20:05 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:21:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:25 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:25 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:28:34 -!- BadOgre has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 09:30:58 !tell gammafunk http://sprunge.us/KSLD ? 09:30:59 Grunt: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 09:31:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:41:05 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:45:47 hm, this new shop interface doesn't make much sense to me... the menu says that [a-i] is "select item for purchase" and [A-I] is "put item on shopping list", but apparently if you've already put the item on shopping list then both those keys do completely different things 09:46:18 ([a-i] does "prompt to remove from shopping list" and [A-I] does "select item for purchase") 09:46:25 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47:21 wouldn't it be better if [a-i] was "select item for purchase" and [A-I] was "remove from shopping list", and no need for a prompt in either case? 09:48:46 elliptic: that does sound better 09:48:49 that sounds good, yeah 09:50:19 (fwiw, this was how I expected it to work when I saw the new screen, without knowing any details about the changes except that capital letters put things on shopping list) 09:52:05 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:18 oh, weird 09:52:20 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:28 I guess the current behavior actually depends on how much gold you have? 09:52:39 That makes me sad 09:52:41 so what I pasted before was the behavior if you don't have enough gold for the item in question 09:52:57 I'd much rather have it always behave as you suggested 09:53:00 and it is totally different again if you do 09:53:25 And just give a "you don't have enough gold" message when you try to buy something w/o enough gold 09:53:26 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:49 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:55 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:54:00 actually, I guess if you do have enough gold what happens is that both [a-i] and [A-I] do the same thing: select the item for purchase 09:54:25 Does that mean that with enough gold you can't remove the item from your shopping list? 09:54:43 no 09:54:48 you could just buy it? 09:54:53 :p 09:54:56 the item is removed from your shopping list when it is selected for purchase 09:55:01 ah 09:55:04 I think 09:55:09 maybe I should check 09:55:11 if we want manual removals from shopping list, then that should happen within the $ screen, imo 09:55:29 dpeg_: did you see my suggestion earlier? 09:55:41 it'd be easy to do within the new shop interface, yeah 09:55:44 maybe not, sorry for writing with insufficient context 09:55:54 Elliptic's earleir suggestion seems like a clean, consistent interface that would allow you to add/remove from list in store 09:56:07 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Excess Flood] 09:56:11 s/earleir/earlier/ 09:56:35 my suggestion is simply: there are three states that an item can be in while you are in a store: it can be selected for purchase, it can be on your shopping list (and not selected), or it can be completely unselected 09:56:43 -, +, and $ 09:56:44 sounds good! 09:57:07 [a-i] turns an item to + if it wasn't already, otherwise turns it to - 09:57:22 [A-I] turns an item to $ if it wasn't already, otherwise turns it to - 09:58:23 what happens if you select an item with [a-i] while having not enough gold? 09:58:30 dpeg_: same thing as always 09:58:45 "You have 1000 gold pieces. You are short 12 gold pieces for the purchase." 09:58:46 previously, that would lead to shopping list, no? 09:58:50 no 09:58:51 -!- Zermako has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:58:54 -!- zermako2 is now known as Zermako 09:59:28 I did it so often, but I don't know how it used to work... amazing 09:59:28 hm, apparently the recent shop interface changes didn't actually remove the $ key 09:59:30 just removed it from the menu, but it still works 09:59:35 we pressed [item letter] then $ ? 09:59:36 haha 09:59:39 yes 09:59:39 dpeg_: yeah 09:59:55 dpeg_: now you just press [capital of item letter] 10:00:10 yes, I saw that from the log, probably much clearer for people 10:01:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:26 I can't tell from the commit message whether leaving the $ functionality in without any documentation was intended 10:02:33 -!- bd- has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:35 %git e5dcabec 10:04:33 07ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} * 0.14-a0-3287-ge5dcabe: Clean up shop interface 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 105+ 341-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5dcabecfce9 10:04:33 -!- johnny0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:33 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Excess Flood] 10:04:33 like, it says it was removed at top but then later it says that you can still do it :P 10:05:47 -!- dpeg has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:05:48 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:37 -!- bd__ is now known as bd- 10:09:30 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:18:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:26:19 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:27:37 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:54 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3293-g65a9edf: Simplify shopping interface. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65a9edfe2fbc 10:40:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:45 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:45 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0a1/20140227030203]] 10:46:36 Grunt: yeah, i can mess with that grand avatar tile if roc doesn't 10:52:25 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:16 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: home!] 10:53:27 -!- Venter has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:02:00 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:06 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 11:10:58 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:12:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:16 bug: http://lpix.org/1624530/capture_075_12_010230.png 11:14:24 maybe? 11:15:00 ontoclasm: The thing which may be a bug is the first line, correct? 11:15:25 "and quivering a steel tomahawk and quivering a steel tomahawk" 11:15:58 yes 11:16:10 well, all three of them have it 11:16:18 the second line gets repeated i guess? 11:16:28 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:43 does the glitch go away when you try it again? 11:21:37 elliptic: the thing that got removed was $ moving things from shopping list to purchase, vice versa still works 11:22:10 wheals: they both work 11:22:18 oh, huh 11:22:47 never mind then 11:23:07 I'm not sure whether or not it is good to have that behavior... undocumented stuff is generally bad, but cluttering up the shop screen with this seems bad too 11:23:20 and yet $ is sort of useful, at least for older players 11:23:59 well you can document it in the manual 11:24:48 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:00 zzz 11:26:38 Jesus christ this movement of new pronouns. 11:27:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:27:24 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:12 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:28:12 -!- BirdoPrey_ is now known as BirdoPrey 11:28:45 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:06 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:29:13 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:53 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:15 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:31:17 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:40 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:14 -!- Arcuied has quit [Client Quit] 11:43:21 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:43:37 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:45:02 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:23 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:12 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 11:57:59 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:58:43 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:57 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:13 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:01:22 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:02:19 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:43 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:47 unhaunting (L26 DrTm) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1094: Unknown monster spell 'Sunray' cast by spriggan druid (Depths:6) 12:04:50 <|amethyst> So, for future reference 12:05:04 <|amethyst> it is not a good idea to remove the implementation of spells that existing monsters can cast 12:05:20 <|amethyst> unless you rewrite their spell lists on unmarshall to remove the old spell 12:05:24 <|amethyst> or replace the enum with a new one 12:05:33 how bad of a break is that? 12:05:34 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:05:34 hmm, yes 12:05:35 <|amethyst> (I mean, same value, different spell) 12:05:54 but at least it asserts instead of breaking weirdly? 12:06:00 <|amethyst> yeah 12:06:01 <|amethyst> not bad, easy to fix 12:06:06 <|amethyst> %git :/phantom 12:06:44 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-3262-g1249a6a: Replace fake summon with phantom mirror on transfers. 10(28 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1249a6a40750 12:06:44 <|amethyst> same fix as in 1249a6a 12:07:02 ??sprunge 12:07:02 I don't have a page labeled sprunge in my learndb. 12:07:08 unhaunting (L26 DrTm) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1094: Unknown monster spell 'Sunray' cast by spriggan druid (Depths:6) 12:07:08 <|amethyst> no time to apply it myself right now though 12:10:46 !tell Grunt I see your patch, and raise you a comment: http://sprunge.us/JZUP 12:10:46 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 12:11:30 %git :/Sunray 12:11:31 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3221-gd9a150b: Remove Sunray 10(5 days ago, 16 files, 12+ 102-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9a150bf7761 12:14:02 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I would mention that the string in question is intended to be used as a key for DB lookups 12:14:14 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and not necessarily to be displayed to the user 12:14:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk: (otherwise there would be the question of "should/does this return a noun or an adjective") 12:16:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:16:54 thanks. But remind me never to play poker with you, since you'll clearly give away my hand. 12:18:58 What do you guys think about this patch? (http://bpaste.net/show/6NLqUu63O7H2ThDTrqqG/) 12:19:37 Redoes miscellaneous aquirement, so you can actually tell what the function is doing without pen and paper and somebody might actually want to use it sometime. 12:20:49 that looks like it changes the distribution quite a bit 12:21:33 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:21:44 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:23:10 not necessarily a bad thing 12:23:16 probably a good change codewise, but the weights maybe could use some tweaking 12:24:02 elliptic: Which weights are you concerned about? 12:25:48 IMHO BoB and SoS should be more common than the elemental evokers, (BoB is the least powerful, followed by SoS, followed by Elemental evokers, from least to most useful; Earth, Water, Fire, Air, although usefulness for the elemental evokers doesn't really imply rarity) 12:25:57 probably the elemental evoker weights should be increased if we ever want anyone to do misc acq 12:26:08 Hehe or that :) 12:26:19 I guess acquirement should be *good* 12:26:25 also decks seem to have been removed 12:26:30 so invert my list :) 12:26:44 Didnt even notice that :) 12:26:56 elliptic: Yes, crate suggested that, because decks really are pretty useless unless you're with Nemblex, in which case you have a bunch of them. 12:27:15 Although if you're with Nem and you do acquire a misc, you probably want a deck. 12:27:35 (Like you ran out and are trying to jump start your piety or something) 12:27:40 legendary decks are more useful than stuff like lantern of shadows or disc of storms on most chars 12:27:54 -!- odiv has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:00 elliptic: Ok, what about ornate decks? 12:28:01 Also there's some cards which don't occur in nemlex-gifted decks. 12:28:45 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 12:29:18 I don't necessarily mind removing decks as options here, but I'm not really sure what the goal is here either 12:29:25 other than code cleanup 12:30:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:30:48 probably an acq option that always gave elemental evokers would see some use, but I'm not sure even that would be that attractive 12:30:57 elliptic: To make evocations closer to a viable option, and also to allow for easy extension if some new evocables (like mumra's cup of charity) get implemented. 12:31:13 Perhaps it should give multiple evocables? 12:31:52 multiple items is something that I've suggested in the past as an idea, yeah... it could work, not sure 12:32:37 |amethyst: this seems to work fine in testing, but just in case, anything wrong here: http://sprunge.us/efQU 12:34:36 btw, note that misc acq has to compete with rod acquirement for evocations chars 12:34:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35:13 Yeah, I've never misc-acquired even when I was looking for a crystal ball. 12:35:15 maybe moving rod acquirement to be part of misc acq is another option, so you get either a rod or a misc evokable 12:37:25 elliptic: Combining the two seems reasonable. Right now rod aquirement, if you don't get a stave, is just picking a random rod 12:37:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.14-a0-3294-g830ee6c: Give spriggan druids stone arrow if they have sunray. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=830ee6c5f227 12:37:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:37:48 Could be called something like "evocable aquirement" 12:37:51 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:56 If I saw 'evocable equipment" I would think like cloak of darkness and the like. 12:39:13 that would be annoying since i'd rather often prefer a rod to a misc item or vice versa 12:44:23 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53:36 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 12:54:15 -!- simmarine has quit [Excess Flood] 12:54:15 -!- soundlust has quit [Excess Flood] 12:54:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:54:35 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Excess Flood] 12:56:00 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 12:58:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:27 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 13:00:49 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03:31 !tell Grunt updated because comments are hard: http://sprunge.us/DOjP 13:03:32 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 13:04:03 gammafunk: So you guys decided against the sensed monster change? 13:04:28 I didn't really follow that line of reasoning, but don't the two never show up together? 13:04:48 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:04:59 As in red is a good color for that, so have both use red if they never do. 13:05:25 gammafunk: They don't as far as I know, but A) Maybe they could in the future B) A player could be confused about which version they have. 13:05:47 A) is definitely not a reason we should use, B) is possible 13:05:48 gammafunk: I'm fine with deciding against, though. I just couldn't tell if it was purposely or accidently excluded. 13:06:45 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:07:43 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:08:23 -!- namad7 has quit [] 13:10:34 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:43 reaverb: also, did you make the change on the spreadsheet? if so, remember to leave a comment so people know why 13:10:56 a while ago someone completely redid crawl's rng, right? was that bh? 13:11:59 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12:56 !seen bh 13:12:56 I last saw bh at Thu Mar 13 03:35:35 2014 UTC (14h 37m 21s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'. 13:14:21 Wensley: bh did redo Crawl's rng. He tested it very well, and any mistake is likely to be clustering illusion 13:15:59 reaverb: I'm not saying there's a problem with it, I just wanted to pick his brain about randomness :P 13:17:59 Wensley: Sorry, that's what most people are about to do when they ask about that. 13:18:04 ??rng 13:18:04 rng[1/12]: More properly a *pseudo*-random number generator. Unlike true random numbers, pseudo-random numbers are generated out of spite, in order to make you cry. 13:18:06 ??rng[2 13:18:07 rng[2/12]: Xom is an avatar of the RNG. !rng dont choose xom you stupid rng dice rolling machine -> The RNG chooses: xom. 13:18:28 Wensley: Somewhere in ??rng there's a Tavern link were he has a very informative post. 13:20:42 reaverb: awesome, thanks 13:20:53 reaverb: yeah, I recall wheals having an opinion on this that's probably different, but I think probably keep nasty sensed on lightred as that's the more complex mechanic, and using the reds for both kinds of tough monsters is consistent, then just have sensed monster on lightcyan 13:21:06 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:58 gammafunk: So you're moving standard sensed monster to lightcyan? wheals said that he perferred moving the standard sensed monster if one was to be moved IIRC. 13:23:23 yes 13:23:26 i just thought that whatever the standard one would be, it should be a "simple" colour 13:23:33 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:23:36 since an e.g. formicid will see it all over the place 13:24:18 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3293-g65a9edf (34) 13:24:19 yeah, I mean red is always nice because it communicates some form of danger 13:24:31 wheals: Yes, I remember now, it was vice versa. 13:24:44 (i.e. my last comment was wrong) 13:25:01 in my mind lightmagenta doesn't communicate threat very well 13:25:08 (speaking as a console player) 13:25:38 and red for the second-most nasty but not the most nasty is a bit off to me; I suppose lightcyan for nasty would be ok 13:25:56 cyan is kind of used a bunch for top-tier enemies 13:26:01 orc warlords, curse skulls 13:26:09 lindwurm 13:26:38 Wensley, Have you read the stuff here: http://www.random.org/ 13:26:46 you can argue kind of the same for lightmagenta, but it doesn't have the same association to me for some reason 13:29:58 yeah, just looking at them in console I'd go lightcyan for nasty sensed if we're going to do that way 13:30:03 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:33:24 !tell Grunt One last change for glyphs, can you move nasty sensed monster from lightred to lightcyan? 13:33:24 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 13:39:20 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:36 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:38 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42:41 zzz 13:47:42 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:48 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:37 -!- xnavy is now known as Guest87539 13:56:37 -!- Guest87539 has quit [Killed (asimov.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 13:56:37 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 14:02:29 Ququman (L22 HOFi) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1094: Unknown monster spell 'Sunray' cast by spriggan druid (Swamp:5) 14:08:06 wut 14:08:06 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:08:06 damn it backed me up way earlier. does it mean i'll get stuck ? 14:08:06 clan hasn't updated yet I guess 14:08:06 That bug has probably been fixed. 14:08:06 %git --author=gammafunk 14:08:07 07gammafunk02 * 830ee6c5f227: Give spriggan druids stone arrow if they have sunray. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=830ee6c5f227 14:08:07 -!- NomadJim has quit [Client Quit] 14:08:07 chei is living up to its name today 14:08:07 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:18 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:18 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 14:09:19 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 14:10:30 don't know how to trigger a rebuild, and not sure about clan in particular 14:10:54 ??bots 14:10:54 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #), Rotatell (CBRO, ^); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? & and others) 14:11:00 $version 14:11:00 trunk: 0.14-a0-3278-gb24e923; 0.13: 0.13.1-28-g3517093; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.4 14:11:08 it was fixed but not put in the latest online trunk ? 14:11:12 i had a save update today tho 14:11:12 %git :/sunray 14:11:13 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-a0-3294-g830ee6c: Give spriggan druids stone arrow if they have sunray. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=830ee6c5f227 14:11:40 Ququman: it's updated in the repository, but the servers rebuild only daily unless someone makes them do a rebuild 14:11:50 CLAN doesn't have this fix yet 14:11:55 ok 14:11:57 ??clan 14:11:57 clan[1/3]: Europe Crawl server, located in Germany. http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/ or crawl.lantea.net, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.13 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut) 14:12:02 ??clan[2 14:12:02 clan[2/3]: Hosted by Aleksi, maintained by TZer0 14:12:04 ??clan[3 14:12:04 clan[3/3]: Rebuilds trunk at 00:00 GMT+1, 0.12 at 08:00 GMT+1 and 0.13 at 16:00 GMT+1 14:12:13 Yeah, not till midnight 14:12:48 ??rebuild 14:12:48 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 14:12:58 dare I? 14:13:35 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 14:13:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:13:38 it shouldn't hurt as long as everything is configured correctly. what's the issue? 14:13:58 johnstein: The wrath of TZero0 is truly horrifying! 14:14:03 also, you have to be added to the admins for that server 14:14:10 TZer0 even 14:14:16 yeah, not sure about that 14:15:01 Ququman: just triggered a rebuild (I think) 14:15:05 yeah, it's going 14:15:13 okay 14:15:17 you'll have to wait for the build to complete, though 14:15:23 no prob 14:15:26 thanks ! 14:15:51 Ququman: Let me give you my paypal account so you can be charged the $500 fee, one sec 14:15:57 it'll only take an hour :/ 14:16:18 I still need to update the dev wiki on how to set up the rebuild stuff 14:16:31 geekosaur: will it really take that long? 14:16:35 takes an hour to rebuild on clan? 14:16:40 clan is raspberry pi 14:16:46 perhaps not a full hour but it takes a long time 14:16:50 worse actually 14:16:54 I think it takes like 15 min on CBRO. maybe less 14:17:15 someone (1kb?) benched clan and a build on an rpi. the pi finished while clan was still on files starting with "l", IIRC 14:17:34 bummer 14:17:48 "Server is rebuilt -TZer0 (Sent from my iPhone, AKA CLAN)" 14:17:53 oh? email alerts? 14:17:55 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:17:57 that sounds fun 14:18:15 johnstein: no, that was a joke :p 14:18:20 hah 14:18:33 iphone as crawl server, heh 14:18:37 btw elliptic i'm not actually convinced that acquiring a deck is better than a lantern of shadows, unless you don't have a lantern 14:18:48 lantern is pretty good! (secret tech) 14:18:54 I'm interested in what |amethyst has in mind for the server architecture team 14:19:41 after wrestling with dgamelaunch so many times the past couple months even a newbie like me can see how much of a pain it is 14:20:37 and the scary thing is, I doubt many others have bothered going through the pain. seems like a great idea to streamline it 14:21:52 crate: well, it is true I haven't tried using lantern of shadows to kill stuff recently... how late is that really useful? 14:22:13 !lg thyme muck killer=~shadow 14:22:15 1. Thyme the Bludgeoner (L14 MuCK of Xom), mangled by a shadow (summoned by the player character) on D:13 on 2013-11-24 20:04:23, with 58875 points after 58613 turns and 3:30:55. 14:22:29 I've never been very impressed by it as LoS reduction, even though that seems in theory useful 14:22:35 It was still carrying me there 14:22:46 until I used tremors while confused near a hydra 14:23:07 elliptic: I watched someone clear lair with it. 14:23:20 most acq scrolls are after lair 14:23:25 I use it on the orb run sometimes 14:23:30 i killed asterion pretty much just with lantern 14:23:33 crate used it very late in his huck game 14:23:34 so it's asterion-useful 14:23:48 it's probably actually too strong right now honestly 14:23:58 shadow (06p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 14-35 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Dam: 1406(shadow stab) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 219 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 14:23:58 %??shadow 14:23:58 crate: anyway, what would make you consider using misc acquirement? 14:24:18 elliptic, personally i'd use it if it just never gave decks!! but merging rods into it sounds ok 14:24:39 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:50 i'm out ! xD 14:24:53 Rods sound infinitely better than cards. 14:24:57 takes a full hour to rebuild ? 14:25:32 anyway I'm not really that fond of deck acquirement myself, but it doesn't seem awful to have that as a small chance 14:25:53 at least if it is guaranteed legendary 14:31:02 (What exactly defines a deck as legendary anyway? I couldn't find what property changed a deck's power level) 14:33:09 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:48 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:33:48 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-3294-g830ee6c (34) 14:34:44 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:45 zzz 14:35:02 !source _generate_misc_item 14:35:03 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc;hb=HEAD#l2750 14:35:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:03 reaverb: line 2784 there 14:36:11 MarvinPA: Thanks. 14:36:44 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:26 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:38:02 maybe the solution to making misc acq more popular is to rename it to something more appealing 14:38:20 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:24 fun acq, gives 2-3 fun items 14:38:29 haha 14:39:09 mm 14:39:10 fr: acquire random, chooses multiple acquirements at random 14:39:14 elliptic: from what i gather mainly for the SA threads, apparently people refuse to believe that the vokers are good 14:39:32 ontoclasm: even the elemental ones? 14:39:54 several distinct people have found gadget shops and said "ugh this is so useless why did they take weight away from useful shops" 14:40:12 more food shops please 14:40:13 despite numerous people explaining that elemental evokers in particular are crazy good 14:40:13 gadget shops, worse than food shops 14:40:22 to be fair I've said that too even though I know elemental evokers are crazy good 14:40:31 but am I going to buy one? no :P 14:40:37 Well, buying elemental evokers is different from just having them, yeah 14:40:44 now that they're cheaper it's a bit more common to buy 14:41:04 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3294-g830ee6c (34) 14:41:07 MarvinPA: food shops are the best 14:41:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:17 i forget to use them but i'm pretty sure you can win the game purely on the power of one or two evokers 14:41:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:41:42 nice. 5 minute rebuild 14:42:15 clan pays extra attention to each line of source code though, carefully crafting an artisinal binary 14:42:34 bespoke executables 14:42:39 or rewrites in INTERCAL 14:42:43 I do refuse to believe that sack of spiders can be good though, it creates too many annoying webs for me to want to use it even if it kills things 14:43:08 do boots of the spider let you walk through webs? 14:43:14 heh, no 14:44:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:17 I keep meaning to get around to making box of beasts better at low evoke 14:44:26 but I'm not sure that chimeras need to exist 14:44:48 i use sack a lot less because the webs are annoying, yes 14:44:55 even though it is quite strong (partly because of the webs) 14:46:05 maybe it should just immediately web enemies in los with a given chance and possibly make fewer spiders 14:47:05 i already feel like it doesnt make many spiders 14:47:14 it's like 50 webs and 3 spiders 14:47:15 webbing enemies instead of placing webs on the ground sounds pretty good 14:47:45 yeah, the elemental evokers don't really have any explicitely bad effects 14:48:25 !learn add gammafunk todo: maybe rework sack of spiders to have chance of webbing enemies in los instead of random web spam 14:48:25 gammafunk[10/10]: todo: maybe rework sack of spiders to have chance of webbing enemies in los instead of random web spam 14:48:33 lantern of shadows comes closest, but it's swappable so not very annoying, and very strong anyway 14:48:42 I think the only issue might be that you can spam the sack 14:48:52 perhaps it too should be xp-charged 14:49:00 i like it not being xp-charged 14:50:05 it has limited uses 14:50:12 well I think at least with the current version there's a tradeoff there 14:50:15 you can spam it, but each time you add something dangerous 14:50:15 yes, use it now or use it later 14:50:15 I actually don't use sack enough because I'm "saving it", but the variety is good and that's just me being bad 14:50:17 the webs arent actually dangerous to the player 14:50:22 -!- Surr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:50:23 they're just annoying 14:50:27 crate: to you I'm sure they're not, although there have been deaths because of it 14:50:40 i think reducing the webs actually makes it noticeably weaker to be honest (though that would be partially made up by webbing enemies directly) 14:50:42 it's supposed to be worth less than the elemental evokers in any case, and this would be a strict buff 14:50:51 i dont agree this would be a strict buff, not at all 14:51:24 i could see making it weaker but i'd rather you make it weaker instead of xp charge it 14:51:31 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:34 I think it's debatable; it kind of chases the use-case since the player gets freedom of movement in the new version 14:51:45 s/chases/changes/ 14:51:45 yeah I think it's an interesting distinction from the elemental evokers 14:51:48 well you could just reduce the number of webs 14:51:54 which would be a good compromise 14:51:58 I mean wands are spammable but very strong 14:52:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:46 yeah, well just fewer webs clearly doesn't introduce much in the way of balance problems; you spam it more, you're going to have a ton of webs 14:52:57 so maybe that's the best direction 14:55:33 even 1 web is too many IMO 14:55:46 webbing monsters directly sounds okay though 14:56:02 elliptic: the spam issue though? 14:56:14 I think it removes all danger to the player in the new version 14:56:28 yet you can use it multiple times 14:56:34 you can spam it currently and i dont see how that's really any different in effect than if it just webbed enemies instead of making webs 14:56:41 fr silk golems that shoot webs 14:56:46 all the enemies get webbed and you create a million friendly spiders and then the sack vanishes 14:56:53 gammafunk: I don't see an issue with using it multiple times, you can use a wand multiple times 14:56:55 again, the difference is you aren't surrounded by webs and have freedom of movment 14:57:03 if you think it's too strong reduce the number of charges or something 14:57:04 also it shouldn't be 100% to web every monster in sight obviously 14:57:07 just a chance 14:57:09 i dont know how many it even gets 14:57:15 since the game doesnt track how many times you;ve used it :p 14:57:53 elliptic: yes, agree in general that it's ok to allow it to, but there's also the fact that it's "worth" less than the evokers 14:57:59 does this mean it's worth more? 14:58:15 if you mean in shops i think the new sack price is too low 14:58:18 i.e. it's a lower-power evocable from the game's standpoint currently 14:58:19 why compare it to the evokers? 14:58:25 it is more like a wand 14:58:28 well, price for one 14:58:36 I guess price is the only real issue, and acquirement 14:58:40 price can always be changed 14:59:01 yeah that's kind of my question, should it be changed? also what's reasonable for the chance of webbing 14:59:23 I guess that second one is actually more important 14:59:56 not that high per monster I think, and possibly it should depend on HD and/or evo skill 15:05:54 number of uses is random_range(5, 15, 2) 15:05:54 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05:54 so 10 average 15:05:54 yeah, seems maybe a lot, but I guess they're pretty rare 15:05:54 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:54 !messages 15:05:54 No messages for TZer0. 15:05:54 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:07:06 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:06 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 15:07:08 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 15:07:12 Re: sack of spiders, I think it's already quite strong. The webs are incredibly powerful. You can use them to (e.g.) stab Mara to death. 15:07:40 I have fireball, Vehumet wants to give me iron shot, I also can learn bolt of fire through a book 15:07:44 9 spell levels left 15:07:51 yes, it went surprisingly fast considering 15:07:52 this game is giving me hard decisions :( 15:08:08 I don't ?acq evokers because I don't want any of the limited-use items: I usually find enough already, and I don't use them often enough that they significantly impact my survival, especially early in the dungeon when they recharge really slowly. If I were likely to get a rod, I'd ?acq misc pretty often 15:08:44 someone acquired a staff with 12 evo and 0 spellcasting stuff the other day 15:08:54 yeah, that sucked 15:08:58 but it happens 15:09:02 Lasty1: the issue isn't really whether the sack is powerful, but whether it's annoying 15:09:06 i kinda wish it didnt though 15:09:14 ?/disappointment 15:09:15 No matches. 15:09:23 ?/disappoint 15:09:24 No matches. 15:09:24 if only it could be improved! 15:09:29 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:09:30 100% chance of rod is rather good 15:09:34 currently only trogites get it 15:09:39 gammafunk: fair enough. I'm usually excited to find one, but I hate webs less than most 15:09:43 everyone else has some chance of staff 15:10:03 I actually use the sack pretty much exclusively for the webs (for stabbing) 15:10:18 does it give moths of wrath 15:10:19 well the good news is you'll still be able to do that 15:10:24 anyway the main reason why I like moving rods from staff acq to misc acq is that they are much more similar to misc items than to staves 15:10:32 I've never seen it give moth of wrath 15:10:41 no, it's spiders only 15:11:07 and having, say, a 50% chance of a rod and 50% chance of a misc evocable sounds sort of reasonable 15:11:17 or maybe less than that for rod 15:11:37 yeah, do agree there; and for trog worshipers with good evo, they can still get something for their evo from rod + current misc 15:12:01 and then when a troggist asks for staff, he just gets a staff like everybody else? 15:12:13 If you find a ?acq by Lair or so and use it on Misc, and get a lamp of fire, you'll get about one shot of it between then and your first rune. 15:12:36 sounds more like a bug in the xp recharging formula than anything 15:12:37 rchandra: yeah (maybe should grey out the choice for trogites) 15:12:44 gammafunk: probably true 15:12:48 Lasty1: it depends on evo skill 15:12:58 what you say is probably what happens with 0 evo 15:13:07 elliptic, i got a lamp of fire from xom in my huck game 15:13:07 but it takes much less xp to recharge with high evo 15:13:12 recharge rate on evokers is very bad early game 15:13:14 How much does it scale with evo? 15:13:19 improved clarity is good, and you never know maybe some trog character will plan to go veh and wants staves, or is desperate for rF 15:13:23 at what was a high evo for early game (between 5-10) i used it once on d:4 then it recharged in lair 15:13:24 or something 15:13:26 it's really bad 15:13:38 well, that's really early 15:13:38 crate: that matches my experience 15:13:40 and it's not like expecting 20 evo that early is realistic even for nem 15:13:49 I've definitely used evokers multiple times within lair 15:13:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:14:04 Whereas lategame you can use them about once per 5 encounters . . . 15:14:07 i was also unimpressed with how useful my one use was 15:14:52 Maybe scaling the recharge rate based on % of XP to next level gained would work better 15:15:19 ( or any other scheme proportional to level or total xp gained) 15:16:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19:05 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: Say What?] 15:19:50 hm, looking at the formula right now 15:20:10 the existing formula already considers those things, so better to start there, yeah 15:21:18 int xp_factor = max(min((int)exp_needed(you.experience_level+1, 0) * 2 / 7, 15:21:18 you.experience_level * 425), 15:21:18 you.experience_level*4 + 30) 15:21:18 / (3 + you.skill_rdiv(SK_EVOCATIONS, 2, 13)); 15:21:31 and then it actually costs 10 times that 15:22:27 evo skill actually doesn't help as much as I thought, hm 15:23:10 to double the rate from 0 evo you have to raise evo all the way to 19.5 15:23:14 Is there a command to aquire a buch of items and creat a .txt file showing the results? 15:23:35 I also don't know in what XL ranges the max and min there apply 15:26:17 I think there's a table in the source of XL needed per-level 15:26:56 player.cc has the chart 15:27:10 so at XL 10, that looks like neither min/max apply there, and with 0 evo it should take until you are midway through XL 11 or so 15:28:13 it is sort of strange that it is proportional to the experience needed to get all the way to the next XL from XL 0 15:28:22 rather than just the delta 15:28:23 yeah 15:29:08 still it doesn't look too unreasonable to me early on if it is taking 1.5 XLs usually (less with some evo) 15:31:36 I'd be nice to a see a curve of expected uses given finding one at a given XL and assuming that you always reuse it as soon as it recharges . . . 15:31:45 s/I'd/it'd/ 15:32:44 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:33:12 (this probably isn't accurate, but) if you got to use one every 1.5 levels starting at XL10, you'd only get 6 uses by the time you got to XL 20, assuming you use it as soon as it recharges. 15:33:38 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:33:48 well, it becomes faster later with respect to XL 15:33:59 Right -- again, not accurate. 15:34:46 I suppose what I'm getting at is that it's still a long time between uses at low levels, making it a less desirable early acq 15:36:12 most acqs aren't early 15:36:29 at XL 13 it looks like it is down to taking 1 XL (at 0 evo) 15:37:11 i used my phial on d:6 at xl8 and about 80%, took till lair:1 to recharge ... not a big deal since it's rare to get one that early but it still feels like it took forever 15:37:14 and by XL 16 it is at like 1/3 of an XL 15:37:56 crate: what xl where you at lair:1? 15:37:58 anyway after looking at these numbers I sort of agree that the formula is bad and should probably be closer to a constant multiple of 1 XL 15:38:04 !lm . br.enter=lair 15:38:04 259. [2014-03-04 20:34:32] crate the Carver (L10 HuCK of Xom) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 14482. (D:10) 15:38:08 looks like xl 10 15:38:08 rather than the weird thing it is currently 15:38:19 probably was 11 when it recharged? 15:39:12 14697 | Lair:1 | Reached XP level 11. HP: 63/74 MP: 19/19 15:39:12 14698 | Lair:1 | finally 15:39:17 indicates that was probably my phial 15:40:00 2.2 XL is a bit much, yeah 15:40:18 oh, I guess there is also a decent amount of randomization here 15:41:22 elliptic: due to the integer changes in the plus2 being all or nothing? 15:41:33 anyway I'd suggest using a formula like C_1 * (1 XL of xp) / (evo + C_2) 15:41:40 for appropriate C_1 and C_2 constants 15:42:24 probably increasing the effect of evo on recharge rate a bit to compensate partially for increasing the recharge rate early on 15:42:31 gammafunk: yes 15:42:47 so in theory your evoker could just never recharge :P 15:43:20 ouch 15:43:40 that would've been amusingly appropriate in that huck game 15:43:47 xom gifts me a phial, it never recharges at all 15:44:07 fr traps can drain evokables 15:44:07 well good thing there's that god proposal that can reroll any die as an active ability 15:44:15 gammafunk: haha 15:44:51 crate: how many times do you think you should be able to use an evoker per XL on average? say with 10 evo 15:45:02 You have blundered into a Zot trap! Your sack of spiders feels lighter. 15:45:20 i really dont have a good grasp on how xl goes up with respect to dungeon level 15:45:34 i feel like you should get about 1 use per 2 floors or so early on, maybe 1 use per floor in depths 15:45:52 I like that rate 15:46:02 clearly recharge by exploration instead of recharge by xp 15:46:08 heh 15:46:15 speedrunner nerf 15:46:41 (this might sort of make sense, the evoker is drawing power from the environment around you as you travel to new places) 15:46:53 more like sprint nerf 15:46:56 rip evoker zigsprint 15:47:34 crate: alternatively, at what XL do you think evoker recharge rate works well currently? 15:47:51 it seems to work fine lategame, i havent used them much between lair and vaults-ish 15:48:31 and i certainly recognize that getting an evoker on d:6 is not a common circumstance :p 15:49:21 hm, smoothing out the recharge rate to be less random wouldn't be difficult 15:49:55 could just be that i got unlucky in my sample size of 1, yeah ... i didnt realise that it was random 15:50:07 neither did I 15:50:17 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 15:50:42 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:45 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 15:56:24 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:59:29 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 16:03:53 clearly recharge by exploration instead of recharge by xp 16:04:06 save temple for when you need to recharge an evoker 16:05:10 surely temple shouldn't count for ash piety already (does it?) 16:05:40 <|amethyst> if rods get moved to misc acquirement, staff acquirement should probably be disabled for troglodytes (like it is for felids) 16:05:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:50 <|amethyst> otherwise, demon of the infinite void 16:05:52 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:06:51 <|amethyst> (though really I'm not sure if staff acquirement by itself is worthwhile) 16:07:45 |amethyst: I think it is, yeah 16:08:10 In fact I'd view it as a buff for "mages" to only get a staff 16:08:42 Indeed, being able to count on a staff as a conjurer is a fairly decent buff. 16:09:46 staff acq is decent, yeah 16:09:53 <|amethyst> I mean worth keeping (as opposed to, say, folding into weapons), not worth choosing 16:11:25 -!- gnum has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:41 If I folded rods into anything, I'd put them into wands, but I feel like that nerfs wand acquirement. 16:16:00 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:16:03 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:17:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds] 16:18:31 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:24:41 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:47 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:50 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:30:12 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:34 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:48 |amethyst: is there still a plan for the architecture team still? 16:40:00 actually I bet 0.14 is taking priority 16:40:12 <|amethyst> johnstein: for me, work is taking priority :/ 16:40:29 <|amethyst> johnstein: I have an outline, maybe I should just send that to the list :) 16:40:42 ??work 16:40:42 work ~ worm[1/3]: A slow-moving monster easy to avoid and outrun. Being killed by it is the definition of ignominy. 16:40:44 <|amethyst> next week is spring break, though, so maybe I'll have some time 16:41:22 <|amethyst> 1learn add goodlearndb work ~ worm[1/3]: A slow-moving monster easy to avoid and outrun. Being killed by it is the definition of ignominy 16:41:38 s??goodlearndb[work 16:41:38 I don't have a page labeled goodlearndb[work in my learndb. 16:41:53 ?/work 16:41:53 Matching terms (4): cigotuvi's_fleshworks, cigotuvis_fleshworks, fleshworks, worker_ant; entries (109): !deathsin[1] | !help:!killratio[1] | agony[1] | ambrosia[1] | angelscumming[1] | anti-magic[1] | apportation[1] | Aura_of_abjuration[2] | b26[1] | b26[2] | bat_challenge[2] | berserk_rage[1] | blade_card[1] | blink_frog[1] | cashybrid[1] | centaur[1] | centaur[7] | chain_lightning[1] | cigotuvi[... 16:42:54 ??goodsequell[$ 16:42:54 goodsequell[5/5]: work ~ worm[1/3]: A slow-moving monster easy to avoid and outrun. Being killed by it is the definition of ignominy. 16:44:18 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:55 Invis monsters are "sensed" in wrong tile by tedric 16:47:29 bug report: monster stealth 16:47:37 (imo this is goodmantis) 16:47:42 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:48:23 yeah, it's funny how when I unbroke that code, the bug reports of "monster sensing in wrong tile" started occurring 16:48:46 but we need to revisit the idea of when doing the not-fully-accurate sensing is good 16:49:07 -!- longbow has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:34 I don't know that the aforementioned code ever worked properly; at least in tiles it would never trigger, but sometimes it would in console (I think) 16:50:11 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50:21 based on when in the map knowledge loop the monster was relative to the off-location square with the "wrong" invis indicator 16:51:04 but in tiles it never worked under any conditions because cell drawing is done in the same loop (although I'm not sure about the actual graphics buffer draw) 16:53:12 elliptic: regarding #8270, I unbroke the code that intentionally does this; I did reduce the number of "false" indicators so that only one indicator of any kind exists, but should we not do these when the monster is adjacent (or within two tiles, or perhaps never do them)? 16:53:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:53:32 I ask you because you seemed to know something about it when I first started working on that code 16:53:34 !bug 8270 16:53:34 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8270 16:54:12 sometimes the player well and truly knows where the monster is even when it's invis, especially if it's adjacent to the player 16:54:23 yeah, I'm not sure what is best 16:54:28 and then the off-location indicators seem a bit like a weird interface screw 16:54:47 maybe only if the monster isn't within radius of 2? 16:55:34 these indicators are mainly useful when using fog against something invis, I think 16:55:44 which might be guaranteed to be accurate anyway? 16:55:52 yeah, those would be 16:55:58 I've never really looked at the code determining when the inaccurate indicators are placed 16:56:04 they aren't very common really 16:56:23 well they're fairly common now with the invis indicator fix 16:56:26 what is the criteria for placing them? 16:56:38 it's a monster stealth check (of which there are two) 16:56:47 if the first fails for the mosnter, and accurate indicator is place 16:57:04 if the monster fails the second, easier check, they get an off-location one 16:57:32 !function _update_monster 16:57:33 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/show.cc;hb=HEAD#l432 16:57:44 lines from if (_hashed_rand(mons, 0, 7) >= mons->stealth() + 4) 16:58:29 there are actualy three checks potentially 16:58:51 |amethyst: I'd be curious to read the list though I'm still not sure how much help I'd be, other than at minimum being a willing guinea pig 17:00:06 gammafunk: so I think that the purpose of the inaccurate indicators is just supposed to be "let the player know that something is nearby" 17:00:20 gammafunk: so making them less likely to appear if the monster is close seems bad to me 17:00:51 that said, I don't really like the inaccurate indicators in the first place, since as you said it is sort of misleading to the player 17:01:06 right, we could just only ever mark the monster's true position 17:01:32 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:02:02 gammafunk: so you said that "they're fairly common now", how precisely were they bugged before? 17:02:25 that is, what is the difference between 0.13 and current behavior aside from the "monster just went unseen case"? 17:02:54 for tiles, they would never display, for console they might display I think depending on where the monster was and where the off-monster location was in the map update loop 17:03:07 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:43 they definitely did display in console sometimes 17:03:49 yeah, that makes sense 17:03:56 for tiles the cell rendering is done in this same loop 17:04:16 so if the off-monster square was already rendered, no map update from the monster call to that function would change that 17:04:25 *map knowledge update 17:04:33 but for console iit all happens after this loop 17:05:51 in any case, we could just lower the frequency of these off-monster indicators, but it doesn't really solve the confusing aspect imo 17:06:15 I'd just as soon only ever mark the monster's true position, and we could do that a bit more frequently to compensate for the lack of the second check 17:06:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:51 yeah 17:07:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3295-g3fd807f: Display number of times used for boxes of beasts and sacks of spiders 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 15+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fd807fbee52 17:07:33 oh, good 17:08:05 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:17 yay 17:08:30 MarvinPA: Does that need save compat? 17:08:30 do boxes of beasts and spider sacks recharge? 17:09:57 Well it does at least in that transfered saves would have innaccurate indicators, but that's not the end of the world 17:09:57 gammafunk: well there's no way to know how many times the old save used it, so what would the save compat do? 17:10:05 gammafunk: i don't think so, there's no way for old boxes/sacks to get plus2 changed is there? obviously it won't track old ones correctly 17:10:19 -!- ayutzia is now known as ayutzia_ 17:10:27 wheals: save compat for initializing plus2 17:10:32 if that was a problem 17:10:52 not because of innacuracy but just to prevent weird integers 17:10:55 ah 17:11:08 but probably plus2 is initialized anyway to 0 17:11:22 this way will be more fun! 17:11:36 {used: 38147278} 17:12:08 You have used this item 4294967296 times. 17:22:17 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:18 -!- ayutzia_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:33 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:24:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:25:34 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26:41 -!- Xenobreeder_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:15 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:28:51 btw, it is really annoying that if you teleport to temple in wizmode and then save, it will crash on load 17:29:39 oh, wait 17:29:52 it only does that if I also destroy the upstairs there with &_ 17:30:13 so I guess I can just remember to stop doing that 17:34:49 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:36:03 -!- MiracleKinacle has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:36:32 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:37:13 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:38:11 -!- popsofctown has quit [Client Quit] 17:39:45 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:45 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 17:39:45 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:37 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:58 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:54:29 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:50 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-3295-g3fd807f (34) 18:03:52 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:07:53 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:08:25 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:10:49 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:11:00 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:11:37 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12:13 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:40 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:15:41 wait, how come sunray got removed anyways 18:17:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:13 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:18:25 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:36 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 18:18:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:18:44 Swapping colours does not work in webtiles glyph mode or hybrid mode by crate 18:19:37 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:25:43 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 18:30:04 Lightli: Was never relevant. 18:30:29 !lg . vp lair:8 18:30:29 1. crate the Unseen (L13 VpEn of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by a wolf on Lair:8 on 2012-02-27 05:00:12, with 38426 points after 24368 turns and 1:47:40. 18:30:31 oh 18:30:36 wasnt even sunray 18:30:37 lol 18:31:23 Lightli: More importantly, the mattered it was sunray as opposed to a dude with a bow or something wasn't worth the complexity. 18:32:04 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:32:07 k 18:32:16 elliptic: I reworked that misc aquirement patch so it's strictly a clean-up: (http://bpaste.net/show/188601/) Effects what gets aquired in less than 1% of cases. 18:34:31 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:10 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:33 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:50 how do you play webtiles glyph mode? 18:36:54 mmm that is a good way of demonstrating how crazy the current setup is 18:37:02 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:37:16 (but good in terms of making it more easily adjustable i imagine!) 18:37:56 johnstein: tile_display_mode = glyphs 18:38:20 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:42 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:39:28 wheals: so it's a compile option? or I could set up the launcher script to add it as an executable option? 18:39:43 no, it's an rcfile option 18:39:47 oh wow 18:39:52 had no idea 18:39:53 Ty 18:45:42 -!- tenofswords has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 18:45:43 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- wat2 has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 321 seconds] 18:45:43 MarvinPA: My misc patch? (Yes the current set-up is ludicrious) 18:45:56 -!- Leafsnail_ is now known as Leafsnail 18:46:01 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:46:25 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:13 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:48:28 * johnstein wonders what other amazing things the rc file can do that he doesn't know about yet 18:50:25 -!- randomizr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:33 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:50 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51:37 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:52:13 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:05 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:23 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:01:44 blackcustard (L15 FeMo) ERROR in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 1094: Unknown monster spell 'Sunray' cast by young spriggan druid (Lair:5) 19:01:56 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:10 removed my ass. looks like it got buffed to me. 19:02:25 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:02:25 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:04:03 -!- Xenobreeder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:04:24 <|amethyst> fixed already but the server isn't updated 19:04:29 <|amethyst> %git :/unray 19:04:29 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-a0-3294-g830ee6c: Give spriggan druids stone arrow if they have sunray. 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=830ee6c5f227 19:04:44 cool 19:05:00 -!- Eonwe2 is now known as Eonwe1 19:05:02 <|amethyst> I guess I can recompile 19:05:13 i wouldn't worry about it 19:05:24 if no one else is running into them right now it can wait 19:05:26 <|amethyst> too late, already started :) 19:08:55 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:09:24 wonder how much smaller the codebase will be as a result of breaking save compat 19:09:43 -!- Tarragon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:10:48 gammafunk: Grunt did during dungeon split. It cut out 1% of the entire code base. 19:11:03 more now, though 19:11:09 that was before djinn removal! 19:11:24 turns out crawl is actually just like 20 lines long 19:11:33 the rest is all compatibility junk 19:11:38 ??tweetsprint 19:11:38 tweetsprint[1/1]: 140-character sprint map by nooodl: http://bpaste.net/raw/117966/ 19:11:43 * Grunt appears! 19:11:58 * Grunt crumbles away. 19:12:11 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3295-g3fd807f (34) 19:12:23 gammafunk: Also, thanks for the advice on just submitting patches, I've tried to get a patch in everyday for a few days now, (Here's mine for the day: http://bpaste.net/show/188601/). I've gotten a lot more done than I thought possible. 19:12:28 (maybe we'll be able to branch before 3300!?) 19:12:43 (probably not) 19:13:33 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:04 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:13 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16:01 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16:25 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:17:13 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:37 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:18:28 reaverb: np, recommend using git format-patch to make a full-fledged patch when possible; you can rebase, make the comment yourself, and you get better credit 19:18:28 reaverb, gammafunk: re sensed monsters, I'd rather try to match the difficulty of sensed monsters to the difficulty as shown in the enemies list - use (light)blue for trivial instead of black, then lightgrey/white, yellow, (light)red for successive difficulty (and the other red for normal sensing). 19:18:28 %git 19:18:29 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-3295-g3fd807f: Display number of times used for boxes of beasts and sacks of spiders 10(4 hours ago, 3 files, 15+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fd807fbee52 19:18:29 oh, 3294 19:18:29 (glyphs, that is) 19:18:30 hrm, hadn't thought about the monster list,yeah 19:18:30 Grunt: I don't mind, I normally play tiles. I just thought it was an idea worth mentioning. 19:18:30 !tell Napkin i'm unable to edit options on cdo through dgl, hitting 'o' just returns to the game menu. also connecting over ssh doesn't seem to work (but telnet does) 19:18:30 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let napkin know. 19:18:30 gammafunk: I do use format-patch. The diff is generated on the pastie site. (Click raw to view that patch) 19:18:30 -!- Brainsoup has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:18:30 yes, but you can also just post the patch 19:18:31 and also, those colors grunt refers to are used in console monster list as well 19:18:31 something I hadn't considered 19:18:31 !tell Napkin ah, correction: editing with Virus ('O') works, but editing without ('o') doesn't. the same is true of V/v for viewing the changelog 19:18:31 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let napkin know. 19:18:31 gammafunk: Hmm, I guess I'll just post directly to the patch next time then. 19:18:31 <|amethyst> though actually 19:18:31 <|amethyst> you can now change the monster list colours 19:18:31 <|amethyst> it doesn't affect the sensed monster colours; maybe it should? 19:18:52 ...didn't that change already get commited? 19:19:02 that was the %git from a few minutes ago 19:19:20 oh, haha 19:19:30 Chei can be a little slow. 19:19:30 you can tell because it colours names differently depending on if it's new or called up by %git! i only noticed this like yesterday 19:19:31 :) 19:19:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:19:56 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:57 yeah that's right; it's green if it's a new commit 19:20:09 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:49 -!- bananaken has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:24:49 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:46 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:01 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:01 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:01 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:01 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:39 -!- ackack has quit [Client Quit] 19:26:49 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [] 19:27:23 hrm, I wonder if any of the paste sites can correctly highlight a git patch (like they can a diff) 19:27:23 doesn't really matter that much, but it's nice to have I guess 19:27:24 http://sprunge.us/KdTb?diff 19:27:24 like that? 19:27:25 wheals: MAGIC! 19:27:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: git patches are just diffs after all :) 19:27:25 <|amethyst> diffs and mbox files at the same time :) 19:27:25 |amethyst: yeah, but I was wondering if they'd get confused by the email portion 19:27:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you can see it did a little, because it coloured that --- as red 19:27:25 well, adding the ?diff seems to do literally nothing but colour lines with - red and ? green 19:27:25 *+ 19:27:25 <|amethyst> yeah 19:27:25 so if you had lines starting with - in your message it would probably get confused 19:27:25 |amethyst: yeah, I guess that --- was intentionally used by git format-patch since it's "diff syntax"? 19:27:25 <|amethyst> yeah 19:27:26 in any case wheals, thanks 19:27:26 can even command-line that part....well maybe you can 19:27:26 if you fully script it you can, of course 19:27:26 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:26 <|amethyst> it also colours @ lines lightgrey 19:27:27 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:35 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:27:54 hrm, I don't even know how the diff deals with context lines that already start with -/+ 19:28:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: context lines have a space 19:28:17 oh, so they do :) 19:28:25 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:27 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about whether that "---" actually matters to the format 19:28:39 -!- SeianVerian_ is now known as SeianVerian 19:28:48 <|amethyst> the lines --- filename and +++ filename do because that's what signals a unified diff 19:29:07 does git apply even parse the insertions/deletions stuff at all? 19:29:40 <|amethyst> No 19:30:12 <|amethyst> so that --- marks the end of the commit message 19:30:37 <|amethyst> but I mean, I don't know whether the --- means anything to patch when it's not followed by a filename. I guess not, or the git format would break 19:30:51 <|amethyst> break patch < formatpatch 19:32:00 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:21 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:36:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:37:15 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37:26 -!- buzzykins has quit [Client Quit] 19:37:47 aah, why is lua so scary, it's all like "setmetatable" and junk 19:37:58 * Grunt reappears nearby! 19:39:00 * reaverb shrugs 19:39:20 * Grunt gestures. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs reaverb! 19:39:32 I tried to learn some Lua for macros and maybe making a layout I couldn't get into it. 19:41:31 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 19:41:36 my current plan heavily features cargo culting and hoping the integrator actually knows lua 19:41:42 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 19:41:53 new layout is on my list of things to do at some point 19:42:26 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:27 ...if the Grunt ever lets us free from this awful 0.14 prison! 19:43:16 There are still a couple of things left before we can branch 0.14 :( 19:43:23 :( 19:43:25 namely? 19:43:37 (also it's a bad idea to push too much new stuff during branch / release / tourney time so that 0.14 gets tested properly before release) 19:43:44 I thought the tiles were finished, at least 19:43:46 buff oklob plants? 19:43:59 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:02 One last tile (grand avatar; mostly done); that nebulous concept of forest vault dispersal; any residual balancing of stuff. 19:44:12 Oh, I need to look at that redone volcano vault. 19:44:19 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:29 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 19:44:32 yeah, it looked ok structure wise, but I didn't look all that closely 19:44:36 nor did i test it 19:44:48 -!- bencryption_ is now known as bencryption 19:44:50 in short I'm worthless 19:45:26 worthless 19:45:37 ??forest dispersal 19:45:37 I don't have a page labeled forest_dispersal in my learndb. 19:45:39 * wheals gives gammafunk a worth 19:48:25 -!- Guest62734 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:01 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:01 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:01 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:01 -!- work__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:01 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:01 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:01 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:13 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:13 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 19:51:15 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 19:51:40 !cmd %git 19:51:41 No command %git 19:51:49 -!- buzzykins has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:55 %cmd %git 19:52:27 it's a Cheibriados command 19:52:27 hmm 19:52:33 Pulsating lumps and oklobs 19:52:39 there's no help for Cheibriados commands 19:52:50 some mad wizard created Cheibriados! 19:56:25 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56:25 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56:30 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:06 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:57:50 %help %git 19:57:50 http://s-z.org/neil/git/cheibriados.git http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 19:58:41 that's not much help! 20:01:07 there is some documentation in the repository 20:02:06 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:06 it's the source! the best help file there is! 20:02:06 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02:06 -!- Nethris has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02:20 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:51 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:12 -!- Surr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:12 -!- rlund_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:12 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:13 -!- buzzykins has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:13 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:13 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 20:08:13 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:14 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:14 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:16 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11:37 -!- Nethris has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:07 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:07 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:08 -!- PleasingFungus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:25 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14:27 -!- ho has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:49 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17:39 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: CKyle_] 20:17:55 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:21:47 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:19 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:26 noooooooooooo, I can't rename a record key in a dlua file, because old save files with the record in them still have to work 20:26:03 queue the darth vader "Nooooo!" clip 20:27:12 I forget, does crawl expect save compat between versions? maybe I could just add a TODO to clean it up 20:27:32 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27:57 Clean-up selecting the item type for miscellaneous acquirement. by Reaver 20:28:23 That's a more cleaned up patch than the one I posted here, btw. 20:29:00 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:29:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:24 -!- 23LAARKDH has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:26 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:27 -!- ho has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:30 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:30 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 20:30:32 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:32 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:33 -!- 23LAARKDH has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:33 -!- culcube has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:30:59 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:04 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 20:31:46 ??save compat[$ 20:31:46 pie[3/3]: You throw a tomahawk. The tomahawk blinds the orb of fire. 20:32:02 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:32 great orb or eyes have mouths, so sure I can believe orbs of fire have eyes 20:32:39 s/or eyes/of eyes/ 20:32:43 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:32:45 * Grunt bites gammafunk. 20:33:12 * gammafunk is fatally poisoned! 20:33:24 or however that message goes 20:37:05 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:38:49 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:43 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:40:07 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:40:44 -!- Xiberia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:07 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:32 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 20:49:48 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:50:12 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:09 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:51:09 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:54:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:54:47 can we just rename great orb of eyes 'beholder' 20:54:48 (no) 20:55:54 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:57:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:59:31 Monster names are in the eye of the beholder. 20:59:34 great orb of Is 21:00:53 orb of eyes are great 21:01:01 they bite with powerful eyeteeth 21:01:46 The great orb of eyes blinks. You are cast into the Abyss! 21:01:50 *groan* 21:02:10 (The pun hits Grunt. Grunt completely resists.) 21:02:44 I'd like to see a better explanation 21:03:02 ontoclasm: too bad the I glyph will be empty soon... 21:03:33 gammafunk: perfect! Plenty of room for it there then! 21:04:30 but we then need to move all orb enemies there and make new orb enemies 21:04:46 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:55 leave * for actual projectiles 21:05:13 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:05:19 The great orb of eyes eyes the Orb. 21:05:28 fr 21:06:08 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:29 giant eyeball (16G) | Spd: 3 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 0/1 | lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(12), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 3 | Sp: paralysis gaze | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 21:06:29 %??giant_eyeball 21:07:11 need to brainstorm some new eye enemies 21:07:23 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:07:24 (or some new brain enemies) 21:07:25 blinking eye 21:07:32 blinks you around 21:07:35 * Grunt flees in terror. 21:07:38 you and enemies, clearly 21:07:46 -!- johnstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07:59 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:03 eye's cube. a powerful magical item that implements squarelos 21:08:13 * Grunt ponders what eyes 4.1 has 21:08:25 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:02 fr: giant orange brainy imps 21:09:04 ...nothing more than current DCSS apparently. 21:09:27 the eye thinker. therefore you are; killing it instantly kills the player. 21:09:31 pink eye: inflicts sickness, rot, slow, drain, poison, weak, retch all at once 21:09:39 gammafunk: dang 21:09:47 I like it 21:09:53 third eye; get -12 ev when you're in range, because monsters can see you through it 21:10:01 stink eye: just summons donald 21:10:22 wheals: and has meph 21:11:14 eye O: mines for gems 21:11:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:06 teye dye: polymorphs monsters into other ones on the same glyph with another colour 21:12:28 iron eye. very tough, high resists, no special abilities. or attacks. doesn't do anything, really. 21:13:07 an unrand "Beam" (or Rafter if you like) that hance a chance of triggering an all-los dazzling attack with each melee (like scepter of torment) 21:13:24 eye of the tiger: summons a rival unique 21:13:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:13:59 I would love to see a tile for some kind of floating eyeball where it had on a kind of tiger outfit 21:14:02 How do Fedhas shrooms work? They obviously don't lose hd as fast as enemy ones, but... 21:14:10 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:26 gammafunk: clearly an eyeball with a tiger stripe pattern. 21:18:33 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:22:00 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: Download IceChat at www.icechat.net] 21:24:09 put it on h with the felids... 21:24:39 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 21:24:47 maybe more enemies for t are what we need now 21:25:52 !send gammafunk frost crabs 21:25:52 Sending frost crabs to gammafunk. 21:26:05 !send gammafunk island turtles 21:26:05 Sending island turtles to gammafunk. 21:26:12 * Grunt ponders. 21:26:21 !send Grunt giant orange turtles 21:26:22 Sending giant orange turtles to Grunt. 21:26:28 dragon snapping turtles 21:27:00 Yurtle the turtle unique 21:28:17 -!- work__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:48 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:32:10 was a design goal of the rod changes to make them really bad without training evoc? 21:32:53 fiery destruction and lightning are still good i think 21:33:24 -!- zoqfot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:34:42 well, contrast demonology with shadows and frigid destruction with clouds 21:35:50 fcloud was probably considered a bit too good at 0 evo, yes 21:36:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:59:47 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:57 demonology was awful at 0 evo 22:02:48 A demon appears! It doesn't seem very happy. 22:02:48 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:02:55 Send 'em back where they came from! The smoke demon shudders. 22:03:06 Grunt appears. He doesn't seem very happy. 22:03:15 wheals, blown up by on ##crawl-dev 22:04:07 Grunt: it probably has to do with the person killing the lich before the ood hit 22:05:52 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:18 Looks like it. 22:06:26 Previously that might even have been a blown up by! 22:06:33 -!- utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:31 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:41 -!- utrick has quit [Client Quit] 22:15:45 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:16:43 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:20:23 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:28 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:55 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:08 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:25:21 -!- DrTm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:27:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:33:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:25 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:21 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:45:10 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 22:47:00 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:04 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:49:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:53:42 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3296-g3c027b6: Increase the poison scale again. 10(12 hours ago, 3 files, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c027b61f0f3 22:53:42 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3297-g340fc0d: Decrease poison's dependence on duration of actions. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 39+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=340fc0d4751b 22:53:42 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3298-g31db9b4: New DD poison formula. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31db9b4381e4 22:53:42 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3299-g90beda9: Take regeneration rate into account when displaying poison level. 10(2 hours ago, 6 files, 59+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90beda913c82 22:56:06 I guess someone else can have commit 3300 22:56:57 elliptic: "if (get_player_poisoning() < you.hp || !get_player_poisoning())" seems a bit off to me; I'd probably either reverse those or just have the first bit <_< 22:57:02 (just nitpicking though) 22:57:16 they aren't redundant because you.hp can be negative 22:57:31 mm 22:57:35 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:57:57 I'm not sure this code actually gets called when you.hp is negative, but for a while it was before I fixed something else and it made me scared 22:58:14 (An aura of fear fills the codebase! You are terrified of it!) 22:58:26 I agree it looks stupid though 22:58:47 Even a comment explaining why it looks stupid might be good? 22:58:58 (clearly I am just coming up with excuses to hand you 3300) 23:00:10 hm, I guess it isn't actually working right when you.hp is negative anyway (though I don't think it gets called) 23:04:22 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3300-g2e50dd5: Clean up poison_is_lethal() a little (Grunt). 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e50dd50f3c6 23:05:03 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:11 And now I'm wondering when that gets called with you.hp <= 0, but I'll figure that out at some later point <_< 23:05:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:06:44 it doesn't actually currently, as I said, but it doesn't seem like a totally unreasonable thing to do 23:08:07 as in, for a bit I was trying to use this function in status.cc to help print the poisoned status correctly but it ended up not being helpful 23:08:22 and the reason why was that status gets checked even after death, for the dump 23:08:24 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:08:35 -!- rast- is now known as rast 23:11:35 The water nymph touches you. The water nymph drowns you 23:11:41 fr: make that message less scary 23:11:55 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:12:00 You die... 23:12:00 Xom revives you! 23:13:18 -!- Stelpa6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:42 sounds like a bad touch 23:15:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 23:17:55 drowns you sounds like a dying message 23:18:19 instead of 'doing a likely very large amount of damage reminiscent to old swamp worms in water' message 23:18:26 i suggest submerge 23:18:45 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:18:46 The water nymph dunks you! 23:18:47 comedy option : 'dunk' 23:18:50 damn it basil 23:19:04 by a half second 23:19:12 DUNK'D 23:19:36 You get water up your nose. Ouch! That really burns! 23:20:09 WITCHES 23:20:21 just change it to 23:20:44 The water nymph uses the watery terrain to its advantage! * * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * * 23:20:50 mmm 23:21:11 Only need oldswamp tiles back 23:21:16 and the circle is completed 23:21:17 s/tiles// 23:21:26 ^ 23:21:53 There was a point when I was working on reactivating oldoldswamp just to see what it was like. 23:22:11 ...the one that inspired swamp_old_school. 23:22:43 !vault old_school 23:22:43 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/swamp.des;hb=HEAD#l1341 23:23:19 grunt_lady_of_the_lake_trigger 23:23:25 That sounds exciting 23:23:31 It really isn't. <_< 23:24:57 swamp could use spectral/simulacrum versions of TLH for the alternate endings :) 23:25:13 the 27-headed spectral Lernaean hydra 23:25:25 !lg * max=tdam x=tdam 23:25:27 3026661. [tdam=366] won the Farming Archmage (L27 DsWz of Vehumet), killed by a reflected bolt on Zig:13 on 2011-08-18 18:30:15, with 1137017 points after 281265 turns and 1d+20:17:14. 23:25:28 can you even remove heads from a spectral hydra? 23:25:35 !lg * max=dam x=dam 23:25:37 3026661. [dam=2652] b0rsuk the Sensei (L23 NaTm), annihilated by randart's ghost on Elf:2 on 2009-05-03 17:50:51, with 331353 points after 85691 turns and 8:26:51. 23:25:53 NOPE 23:28:42 ??spectral hydra 23:28:43 spectral hydra[1/2]: It mutated to drain with each head but lost its ability to regenerate heads. 23:28:58 see? 23:29:00 ??spectral hydra[2 23:29:00 spectral hydra[2/2]: This isn't really a problem for it though, seeing as it can't lose them. 23:29:36 -!- radinms has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:41 Kennysheep.des the serial vault, a prettier d_encompass and some other vaults by KennySheep 23:32:14 * Grunt mumbles. 23:33:22 * wheals mumbles something about having specific mechanics for different devs. 23:33:30 * Grunt grunts, as Grunt often does. 23:39:03 -!- wat1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:28 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:49 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:26 * Grunt grumbles something about having no sense of monster balance... 23:49:25 -!- nrook has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:24 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 23:51:24 * SamB mumbles something about monsters' inner ears being defective ... 23:52:53 * Grunt snickers. 23:52:53 * Sequell also snickers. 23:53:01 * Grunt gestures. Sequell is devoured by a tear in reality. 23:53:13 (also why does this person have no idea what a serial vault is) 23:54:09 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:54:11 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:55:13 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:56:19 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]