00:00:39 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:00:41 octopode (11x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 40-73 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Dam: 24, 503(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(10), 12drown | XP: 475 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:00:41 %??octopode 00:00:50 hill giant (04C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 43-76 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(44), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 656 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 00:00:50 %??hill giant 00:01:00 hehe 00:01:02 aquatic hill giants 00:01:20 that's a pretty good profile for them, though 00:01:32 also no GSC/GC 00:01:33 (experimental) 00:01:58 octopodes going back onto the list of dummy monsters sounds good 00:02:05 i think giants maybe also couldn't wear armour, it's perfect 00:02:10 not sure why the ever started spawning really 00:02:12 they* 00:02:20 mollusc creep 00:02:57 water monster variety 00:03:22 well they're not water monsters 00:03:39 would that really make them better 00:04:02 of course not :P 00:04:38 someone was mad there weren't enough hats in the dungeon 00:04:48 give more ogres hats 00:05:08 you know, it'd help liquid-placed monsters a lot to have their placement scale with water density, so that a level doesn't place a floor's worth of water monsters regardless of it being one small pond or layout_bigger_room 00:06:25 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2999-g8b11495 (34) 00:10:36 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:12:20 fr: necromancer enemy that knows LRD and uses its skeletons as walking bombs 00:12:28 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:15:13 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:15:20 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:48 !lg * ikiller=~merfolk place=depths 00:18:48 4. Neuromancer the Executioner (L19 MiFi of Okawaru), mangled by a merfolk impaler (a +1,+0 trident of piercing) on Depths:1 (serial_bayou_shore_a) on 2014-02-25 00:22:52, with 272748 points after 50914 turns and 2:49:03. 00:19:18 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:19:49 !lg * ikiller=~merfolk place=depths s=ikiller 00:19:49 4 games for * (ikiller=~merfolk place=depths): 4x a merfolk impaler 00:21:15 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:14 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:26:20 -!- hephaestus_rg has quit [Quit: hephaestus_rg] 00:28:24 03Sage02 {wheals} 07* 0.14-a0-3000-g145100d: Remove poison from Zot trap effects. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 8+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=145100d5b75e 00:28:24 03Sage02 {wheals} 07* 0.14-a0-3001-gb88c41b: Remove paralyse from hell effects. 10(6 weeks ago, 2 files, 13+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b88c41b69b77 00:29:22 that should reroll the effect, not do nothing 00:29:30 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 00:30:11 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31:21 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:32:43 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:30 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.14-a0-3002-g699017b: Make slow heal less annoying 10(26 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=699017b8ff2e 00:35:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:37:28 -!- tophat is now known as Guest59297 00:37:41 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:06 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:42:44 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:58 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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i'll mantis it in a bit 05:50:05 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 05:51:35 Temujin (L27 DEWz) (Tomb:1) 05:52:58 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55:29 ??clarity 05:55:29 clarity[1/1]: Prevents confusion, misleading, unintentional berserking, and mesmerization (but not fear). Gods can and will ignore it and confuse you anyway. 06:00:56 Temujin (L27 DEWz) (Tomb:1) 06:01:17 &watch Temujin 06:01:18 %watch Temujin 06:01:18 Watch Temujin at: https://crawl.s-z.org/#watch-Temujin 06:01:59 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:02:49 it's the same crash i think 06:03:58 Yeah, I'll just tell him, in case he didn't figure it out yet. 06:04:07 So he can crashscum that Tomb :P 06:07:48 Temujin (L27 DEWz) (Tomb:1) 06:08:38 ^^ 06:12:24 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:13:23 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:38 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:05 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:31:29 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:32:55 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:33:38 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:39 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:21 -!- Amplicon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:48:23 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:54:15 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:57:06 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-3015-g41ab900: Fix sending inventory item colour if name didn't change. 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41ab900690ec 06:57:06 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-3016-gaf06a16: Call _send_options after _send_version on spectator join. 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af06a165cd0b 07:01:37 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:06:27 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:13:58 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:24:20 did the "don't destruct so much consumables with appropriate resistance and high AC" -patch get removed or something? 07:24:57 <|amethyst> the effect of resistance was removed soon after it was added 07:26:25 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:14 I think it would be cool to be able to show inventory slots somewhere on the screen 07:31:58 <|amethyst> You mean like "One of your i - 12 scrolls of teleportation catches fire!" 07:33:41 <|amethyst> ? 07:36:28 no no 07:37:01 like (49/52) just somewhere, dunno where it would fit though 07:37:12 could that be done via rcfile 07:37:42 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:38 <|amethyst> hm, not sure where to get that in lua. And I'm not sure the information is relevant enough to put on the main screen 07:40:59 <|amethyst> Maybe should be in pickup and drop menus though 07:41:13 <|amethyst> And not just the main inventory menu 07:41:25 that would be good too 07:45:05 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:37 So, I was trying to fix the rather silly shop price alignment, but looking at the original change, I am not certain even the intent? Like, maybe make it so that long randart descriptions aren't overwritten by their price, if there's room? But you can examine the item anyway, and it's the norm that most item names are far, far shorter, so spacing things far out just because some shop MIGHT have a l 07:46:37 ong one seems bad to me 07:46:51 And on my system, it results in things like this: http://i.imgur.com/aFqzKtq.png 07:47:53 -!- ttj__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:55 I tried capping the maximum spread, but the closer I made both columns, the better it looked, until I was practically at the old state before it was changed 07:49:01 -!- ttj_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:50:25 80x24_reasons 07:51:01 iirc it was changed because someone thought it was ugly on hugeterm or something? dunno 07:51:03 Well, it looked fine until 0.13! :P 07:51:17 %git 2bf005e90d 07:51:17 07SamB02 * 0.13-a0-842-g2bf005e: Expand item list in shops to use all available columns 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bf005e90dc4 07:52:29 well, no idea, it looks fine in 80x24 console right now but i agree it looks bad in the screenshot 07:52:30 It's really hard to parse at that distance, though, and it's unclear to me why even half that distance is an improvement over much less distance 07:52:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:09 Yeah, it's probably fine in 80x24. I think it moved like 10 columns to the right. As opposed to 100 columns or something :P 07:53:17 heh 07:53:25 (Or more) 07:56:02 I don't know that it's worth an option for people to set (is there even ones for the OTHER menus that have fixed alignment?). Maybe I'll just set it to what it is in 80x24 currently for everyone? 07:57:12 <|amethyst> put the price on the left 07:57:29 <|amethyst> maybe not that simple given that it's a menu 07:57:50 <|amethyst> a - (19 gold) a +0,+0 sling for example 07:58:03 <|amethyst> or maybe something with alignment 07:58:10 <|amethyst> that would need a new DESC_* enum 07:58:37 Well, what's wrong with the current 80x24 setup? The only downside on larger terminals is that sometimes long artifact names get cut off, but I don't think that happens often, and you can examine them with ! anyway 07:59:27 I suppose having it on the other side would let it not cut off names but keep the prices closer to the item, though 08:00:57 (Then again, the width of prices is also variable) 08:01:40 <|amethyst> item names probably don't have to line up, or we could format the number to 4 columns probably with the new price formulas 08:01:52 -!- QQQ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:01:59 <|amethyst> I was mainly thinking on the left because it's close to the item name 08:02:31 <|amethyst> 60-70 spaces to the price is kind of far too 08:02:36 Yeah 08:03:43 -!- Hailley has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:09 Hmmm... for requiring almost no work, this doesn't look bad to me: http://i.imgur.com/BxI7vXE.jpg 08:06:15 A little alien, but I think that's mostly familiarity 08:07:36 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:14:59 Any second opinions? 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09:18:43 I don't even see the difference 09:18:58 prices are on the left instead of the right of the item name 09:19:04 see discussion further up 09:19:53 -!- rax_ is now known as rax 09:21:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:22:23 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24:11 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24:25 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:53 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:38 -!- asdftest has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:44 hi 09:33:47 clear_messages = true 09:33:51 why is this not working on webtiles 09:36:01 how many of the devs use webtiles, I wonder 09:36:03 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:40 -!- Mateji has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:37:24 !lg devteam tiles x=cdist(name) 09:37:25 1465 games for devteam (tiles): cdist(name)=18 09:38:40 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 09:39:54 !nick devteam 09:39:54 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman sage wheals gammafunk 09:40:14 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 09:43:33 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:49:48 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:54:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:55:38 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:59:17 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3017-g5a0c722: Add a force_more to the first Beogh conversion prompt by default 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a0c722b90ee 09:59:17 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3018-g39ca95b: Improve Makhleb servant ability descriptions 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39ca95ba61f2 09:59:19 -!- Grujah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:32 -!- ajikeshi has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:03:42 alefury: Just reduce the space between columns, you mean? 10:04:48 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:06:03 -!- notcluie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:07:38 SaTaAndGee (L17 DECj) (Lair:2) 10:10:53 SaTaAndGee (L17 DECj) (Lair:2) 10:10:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:10 SaTaAndGee (L17 DECj) (Lair:2) 10:11:19 !crashlog * 10:11:20 6861. SaTaAndGee, XL17 DECj, T:40730 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/SaTaAndGee/crash-SaTaAndGee-20140306-161109.txt 10:12:04 I wonder if I should preserve the old look via an option. Though there's also been a push to REDUCE the number of interface options, I guess 10:13:22 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:27 I mean, I could be content enough just to strink the column spacing of the current look back down to something sane on wider windows, but I do think |amethyst is right that arranging it this way makes it even easier to appraise at a glance 10:15:13 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:17:43 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19:48 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: I don't know, I got the impression that push was mostly from Chris O 10:19:48 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:20:19 Well, sensible defaults and fewer options is a reasonable point of view in general, I think 10:20:28 Where it makes sense to do so, anyway 10:21:30 <|amethyst> In this particular case, it's probably a fair amount of extra code to maintain both 10:21:43 i don't think an option would be appropriate for this yeah 10:21:45 <|amethyst> so it probably does make sense not to have an option 10:21:51 Well, changing the layout here literally involved changing one cprintf statement :P 10:21:53 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22:06 Which was conveniently easy 10:22:13 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: oh, what does it look like now? 10:22:39 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: I figured it would take more than that to get the weight to appear between the letter and the item name 10:23:07 Weight? You mean cost? 10:23:10 <|amethyst> err 10:23:11 <|amethyst> yeah 10:23:12 <|amethyst> ohh 10:23:13 <|amethyst> I see now 10:23:16 also agree that the spacing was a little much in the previous screenshot, dunno if you changed that now 10:23:18 <|amethyst> it strips off the "a - " 10:23:56 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:57 DracoOmega: yeah, just smaller spacing, maybe even dependent on the longest price number 10:24:02 I did. How's this? http://i.imgur.com/ECQQZPN.jpg 10:24:30 <|amethyst> !tell johnstein probably those were related to experimental branches? Don't pay much heed to the patch numbers, those just depend on when and how I did the format-patch 10:24:31 |amethyst: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 10:24:35 better 10:26:03 hmm, could maybe have some separator between the prices and item names? " - " or something, although maybe that'd be weird when you have it selected to buy 10:27:13 looks okay like that anyway i guess 10:27:47 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:27:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:27:56 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:28:08 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28:08 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:28:49 -!- Kraito has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:50 Yeah, I think putting a seperator in actually makes the columns less distinct from each other 10:31:32 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 10:31:33 -!- nomadicburrito has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:05 Well, other people can fiddle if they like. I think I will push this as-is for now. 10:33:24 Oh, lots of nice changes recently btw. Scroll ID, racial items, removed enemies, more single spell rods <3 10:33:58 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:33:59 0.14 will be great :) 10:34:17 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:34:44 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:50 Lots of new things, but also a bunch of streamlining of bloaty stuff 10:37:01 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:19 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:56 -!- asdftest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:41:47 -!- crate has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:58 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:45:17 Sokar (L26 DsAK) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 612: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Zot:1) 10:51:35 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:35 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:13 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:15 -!- CampinSam has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:07 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-3019-g8650be3: 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have custome runrest_ignore_poison settings in it? 11:07:10 Since I changed the defaults, but old custom settings probably no longer make sense with the change in what the values mean 11:07:16 runrest_ignore_poison = 2:30 11:07:38 Yeah. The default is like 80:100 now 11:07:45 ah, ok 11:08:00 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:01 hrm, I suppose there's not much we can do about that 11:08:05 What your setting says is: interrupt if more than 2% of my current hp is poisoned, or 30% of my max hp 11:08:18 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:08:19 I imagine a lot of people will need to update their rc 11:08:38 Yeah, probably I guess 11:08:43 I hadn't thought of this wrinkle 11:08:50 Since a lot of people probably won't realize what the issue is, either 11:09:02 Mine was copied from either N7, jeanjaques, or elliptic 11:09:10 that line, I mean 11:09:17 didn't even know what it meant 11:09:56 It used to be 'ignore poison that deals X damage in one turn, so long as you have more than Y hp' 11:10:10 And now is based on percentages of poisoning compared to your hp 11:11:37 I wonder if maybe it would have been better to make the new option under some other name, so as to automatically invalidate obsolete values for it? 11:11:41 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:11:42 I'm not sure how most sensible to handle it 11:11:57 I guess we could ignore weird values (or print a warning) 11:12:33 That sounds like a bad way to go about things. There might be some insane people that honestly want really conservative thresholds 11:12:56 (Okay, 2% is probably too low to ever be wanted by anyone, but it's hard to figure out where the bar would be) 11:12:58 Do we want to help insane people be insane, though? 11:13:07 <|amethyst> I think it makes sense, if an options' 11:13:14 I ask you, from within my holding cell 11:13:17 <|amethyst> I think it makes sense, if an option's meaning changes that much, to rename it 11:13:29 <|amethyst> for the reason DracoOmega gave 11:13:32 gammafunk: Well, it's more like there are values that are obviously useless, but it's hard to draw a sensible line between useless and useful across such a wide scale 11:13:39 yeah, renaming definitely sounds like a good idea 11:13:42 renaming it sounds sensible, it's not really "ignore poison" now anyway i guess 11:13:52 yeah renaming is good 11:14:26 -!- crate has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:11 Is 'runrest_safe_poison' good enough, or does someone have a better suggestion? 11:15:38 sounds okay 11:16:40 Now to figure out how to actually do this >.> 11:19:13 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20:06 Oh, that was easier than expected 11:24:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:38 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:45 -!- Napcat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:32 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-3084-gb23e0ec: Rename runrest_ignore_poison to runrest_safe_poison 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b23e0ecd077f 11:30:32 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-3085-g114b3f6: Move a variable inside the only #ifdef that now references it 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=114b3f6fa9db 11:30:38 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:32:41 -!- edhm has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:33:01 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:33:45 any objections to invis_fixes, op-crusher, or dazzling_ghosts? 11:40:43 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3086-gf7323fe: Give Fi/Gl more starting weapon upgrades than just trident. 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 56+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7323fe2663e 11:40:43 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3087-g5cb6063: Restrict starting with bow for spriggans. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cb60633dae3 11:40:43 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3088-gd5643f5: Give AK a +1 weapon instead of +2 at start. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5643f5fa663 11:40:43 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-3089-g465263a: Orc knight edit 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=465263a55822 11:41:47 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:42:01 * Bcadren has no idea what he's doing. 11:42:54 I did this because on a the site I normally use; the clone button was used to make an offline clone to look at the source. I didn't mean to do what it did...lol https://gitorious.org/crawl/bcadrens-crawl/source/master: 11:46:41 -!- temoid has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52:11 03gammafunk02 07* 0.14-a0-3090-g4a7354f: Fix various issues with invisible monster indicators. 10(2 days ago, 8 files, 212+ 74-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a7354f52e5f 11:52:12 elliptic: What, no !might for fighters, too? :P 11:52:12 -!- ooooooo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:20 I don't feel strongly enough about that one way or the other to do anything myself, at least not right now :P 11:54:00 Fair enough 11:54:14 * Bcadren remembers the time he downloaded a 200 file + svn repo a file at a time before someone told him how to do it correctly. This feels similar. 11:54:23 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Client Quit] 11:57:20 03gammafunk02 07* 0.14-a0-3091-g5a102a0: Generalize and clean up some beam initialization code. 10(26 hours ago, 3 files, 60+ 56-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a102a04c5b3 11:57:20 03gammafunk02 07* 0.14-a0-3092-g2f0dee9: Allow ghost casting of dazzling spray (Grunt). 10(13 hours ago, 7 files, 74+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f0dee958f5c 11:57:20 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:26 gammafunk: Is _spray_tracer actually necessary? The secondary rays explicitly never aim at friendlies, so it doesn't need to worry about hitting them with it 11:57:35 Like, it just will not produce a ray at all 11:57:52 Well if it's not one thing it's another. I'm now getting a bug in GitBash. o_o; wants the passphrase of the SSH key, but doesn't actually let me type...wow 11:58:29 DracoOmega: that aspect was in Grunt's commit, which I think came from the original author 11:58:54 I kept it in even though it didn't look all that necessary 11:59:02 I suppose it might be non-obvious that it's unneeded 11:59:09 Since get_spray_rays already checks 11:59:50 I suppose technically this would allow it to fire if the primary target was invulnerable, but some secondaries could be affected. But that doesn't apply to dazzling spray either, since it's not resistable 12:00:32 So at the moment I'm pretty sure it's a bunch of code that doesn't actually mean anything 12:00:32 oh, you mean spray_tracer 12:00:37 * Bcadren isn't sure what he did...but knows it'll take awhile to finish. 12:01:33 hrm, yeah it's true that it doesn't allow firing secondary rays at friendlies 12:02:35 Yes, I wrote dazzling spray myself 12:02:35 DracoOmega: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:02:35 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:40 Hence why I might notice this :P 12:04:10 I guess the mons_should_fire call could be simplified then 12:04:17 to only look at the primary beam 12:04:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:04:32 and then not have _spray_tracer 12:04:58 I don't think it needs special logic 12:05:03 Normal beam tracers should work, I think 12:05:09 yeah, that'd be ideal 12:05:30 I actually coded a very simple implementation of this myself, a while back, and I don't recall doing anything fancy 12:05:37 (It was never quite finished before being scrapped for unrelated reasons) 12:06:14 I have to push something and then do some non-crawl things 12:06:32 but I'll look to clean that up tonight, unless you'd like to fix it 12:06:37 Yes, it's not a pressing issue at all 12:06:50 It's just that Crawl is complex enough that code which isn't necessary is prone to appearing as though it is 12:06:54 top_code_removers 12:07:04 And thus get maintained for ages after it stopped doing anything 12:07:15 (I have removed bits and pieces of such things in monster behavior code, as I have noticed them) 12:07:20 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:07:31 there was also some weird fedhas checks and such at one point 12:08:22 oh, _dazzle_can_hit 12:08:39 I imagine Crawl is still full of code that is unnecessary and doesn't look it 12:08:39 DracoOmega: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:08:52 that function also looks basically unecessary 12:09:13 it was already in trunk, so I kept it in 12:09:17 but I might axe that as well 12:09:53 I think that might be needed for the stop attack prompt to work correctly? 12:10:06 Or did I write that BEFORE I improved the tracer logic for it 12:10:09 oh, act is the target 12:10:16 I don't recall now 12:10:20 yeah in that case, the fedhas part is important 12:10:26 but the check for a bush is weird 12:10:29 bush, but not plant? 12:10:34 At one point, tracers didn't really what they could pass through until they fired, which affected prompts and such 12:10:41 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 27.0.1/20140222044143]] 12:10:46 Well, you can fire past bushes regardless of Fedhas 12:11:40 hrm, so this function just has the complent of the logic I thought it had 12:11:53 which I shouldn't have thought it had that, I guess 12:11:56 given the name 12:11:59 ...O_O; why is in so many pieces? o_O; 12:14:29 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14:34 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:49 * Bcadren doesn't see how you even find anything in this. o_O; 12:17:07 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:38 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 12:19:13 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19:30 Yea I'm not touching this. It's interesting to finally see the code but it'd take me days just figure out where things are there's so much and I really should be doing other things. 12:21:25 It's a big and fairly complicated codebase, yes 12:21:28 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:00 And really, the only sane way to find things that you don't already know where they are is searching, half the time. I know it took me a while to get a sense of what was where and how the various pieces fit together 12:22:33 we're at like 400k lines or so? 12:22:44 just counting .cc/.h 12:23:40 I don't have a good IDE for this language C++, I think? It's not C#, but it looks like it. So I was just looking at the files directly in notepad...heh 12:23:48 It's C++, yes 12:24:12 gammafunk: Also, did you say you were pushing something else? Because I was thinking it might be sensible to trigger a rebuild, given all the new splashy content and such 12:24:28 ??devteam[6] 12:24:28 devteam[6/12]: sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 12:24:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3083-g8c8973d (34) 12:25:01 Hahaha 12:26:08 DracoOmega: yes, just about to in fact 12:26:49 I'll write up ideas, but I'm not willing to get into this codebase...I'd be more likely to make a new thing from scratch of similar complexity... 12:28:08 -!- Grujah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:28:24 _spray_tracer arose because it was more relevant for Glaciate (Icicle), for the record. 12:29:12 Oh, the AoE at the ends of each ray? 12:29:19 Yes. 12:29:21 Which get_spray_rays wouldn't think about, I guess 12:29:31 Yeah, that makes sense 12:29:38 Oh yeah, I recall that was ugly, I just decided to ignore it, sorry to leave a mess that you clened up and then didn't need :) 12:30:10 (I went with the "let the caster beware" approach :) 12:34:16 03gammafunk02 07* 0.14-a0-3093-g6f24510: Octopode Crusher: An octopode warrior that throws your weight around. 10(14 hours ago, 9 files, 167+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f24510ddd6b 12:34:17 (Probably would've dealt with it if I'd kept working on it eventually :) 12:34:17 %git 12:34:17 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-a0-3093-g6f24510: Octopode Crusher: An octopode warrior that throws your weight around. 10(14 hours ago, 9 files, 167+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f24510ddd6b 12:34:17 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:17 is dead. Long live Cheibriados. 12:34:17 speaking of glaciate, is it supposed to do 129 damage when used by a ghost 12:35:03 elliptic: Wouldn't it be plausible for ice storm to do that much? 12:35:03 hrm, so this function just has the complent of the logic I thought it had 12:35:10 doh 12:35:38 DracoOmega: I'm all pushed out, so feel free to trigger a rebuild 12:35:54 * gammafunk pushes! The repository resists. 12:36:17 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:18 DracoOmega: oh apparently it also did 193 damage once 12:36:26 Glaciate? Or ice storm? 12:36:55 DracoOmega could you answer me this...how hard are new things to implement? ...gods? player races? spells? enemies? etc. 12:37:04 glaciate 12:37:16 ice storm did 139 at max, in many more games 12:37:28 Hmmm... I am going to guess that monsters get a high effective power than players, then 12:37:33 and that 139 was with rC- 12:37:40 the 193 glaciate was without rC- 12:37:50 !lg * kaux=great_icy_blast s=dam 12:37:50 5 games for * (kaux=great_icy_blast): 2x 74, 193, 94, 129 12:37:54 Since I understand that the damage formula for PLAYERS does no more damage than ice storm even at optimal range 12:37:54 !lg * kaux=great_icy_blast dam=193 -log 12:37:55 1. Nightdew, XL27 NaFi, T:86287: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nightdew/morgue-Nightdew-20140305-131317.txt 12:38:14 anyway I have to leave but someone should look into this 12:38:34 Bcadren: Well, it varies a lot depending on how complex what you mean to do is. Adding SOME new monster is fairly easy, but getting it to do something interesting can be a fair bit harder. Also, things like spells often need to have code added in a dozen different places at once. 12:38:46 At spellpower 200, within range 3 glaciate maxes at 222 damage. 12:38:53 (Currently) 12:39:16 !lg * kaux=~great_blast_of_cold s=dam 12:39:16 77 games for * (kaux=~great_blast_of_cold): 4x 52, 4x 58, 3x 92, 3x 90, 3x 74, 2x 69, 2x 93, 2x 71, 2x 38, 2x 63, 2x 105, 2x 76, 2x 65, 2x 62, 2x 53, 2x 50, 2x 77, 2x 48, 2x 67, 2x 54, 2x 75, 82, 44, 85, 61, 81, 32, 88, 66, 60, 47, 51, 80, 57, 46, 87, 73, 55, 45, 70, 91, 39, 116, 100, 98, 139, 68, 42, 79 12:39:22 is ice storm for comparison 12:39:58 (the 139 with rC- as I said) 12:40:25 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:40:59 It uh... looks like an xl 20 ghost does 7d37 damage with it at close range? 12:41:05 Compared to 10d13 it would have done with ice storm 12:41:22 I may be misreading, but that's what it looks like at first glance 12:41:22 That's weird. 12:41:46 Well, xl 20 ghosts cast it at 240 power, for one thing :P 12:41:47 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:51 OIC 12:41:57 yes, then that would be right. 12:41:58 324 power at xl 27 12:42:11 This sounds like Lom is currently terrifying 12:42:16 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: glaciate, conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:42:16 %??lom lobon 12:42:19 DracoOmega that's what I was afraid of...seeing how many headers and code blocks there are that you'd have to look through six million things to do it. 12:42:32 Oh, only 19 HD 12:42:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:42:35 Somehow I thought he was higher 12:42:56 It's max damage at short range is (22+pow) 12:42:59 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:11 'Only' 7d35 12:43:17 (calc_dice turns that into 7dwhatever) 12:43:54 So my guess is just that monsters need to have less power when casting it 12:44:12 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:33 So yes, 12*HD is a *lot* of spellpower 12:44:47 Well, that is a standard power for monst monster spells 12:44:52 Except that those spells use their own formulas 12:44:57 And so have sane results at really high power 12:44:59 Alternately the damage could scale less with spellpower 12:45:18 Nah, the issue here is monsters, not the player version 12:45:25 Just cutting it in half might be okay 12:45:34 (Clearly use the old ice storm numbers for it <_<) 12:45:45 Well, that is close to old ice storm numbers, which is why I said it 12:45:46 * Bcadren likes using Unity. Can find what code blocks relate to which objects easily. 12:46:03 I'll poke at that in a bit; I need to fix the scblink crash first :b 12:46:37 -!- portcomp has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:47:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:48:56 Suppose I ought to wait on the rebuild for that one, then 12:50:00 Also, hexchat seems to be having issues. brb 12:50:01 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:50:32 woah, people chat using hex? 12:50:38 !leard add gammafunk todo: ally piety? 12:50:51 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:54 !learn add gammafunk todo: ally piety? 12:50:54 gammafunk[7/7]: todo: ally piety? 12:52:21 (I kind of like Lom's glaciate actually being threatening though. <_<;) 12:52:27 !lg * ikiller=lom_lobon 12:52:27 17. straydog the Slayer (L27 GhWz of Cheibriados), blasted by Lom Lobon (great icy blast) in Pandemonium (lom_lobon) on 2014-03-04 05:31:06, with 1091920 points after 113755 turns and 13:02:29. 12:52:42 Well, to be fair it's not threatening at range. 12:52:54 At range 8 it's what 7d5? 12:53:09 Grunt: Well, wasn't his ice storm threatening at its old damage values? Him actually USING it seems the issue. 12:53:15 Wait, he can't hit you at range 8 12:53:19 * gammafunk threatens Grunt with glaciate. 12:53:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:06 At range 6 it's only 7d7 though, which is pretty managable 12:54:15 !killratio natasha 12:54:16 Isn't it 50% damage at max range now? 12:54:17 natasha wins 3.379% of battles. 12:54:21 !killratio vashnia 12:54:23 vashnia wins 8.381% of battles. 12:54:29 !killratio asterion 12:54:32 asterion wins 3.300% of battles. 12:54:42 Oh right, bad math 12:54:51 asterion is really variable in damage right now, i hear 12:56:15 !killratio asterion * start>=2-26-2014 12:56:15 asterion wins 11.35% of battles against * (start>=2-26-2014). 12:56:15 7d19, which is pretty respectable. 12:56:15 he's hurting those poor, poor players 12:56:15 Some of the damage values for him that Chei listed seemed rather large, if I recall? 12:56:15 Asterion (05H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 40, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3029 | Sp: major destruction (3d20), haste, spectral weapon / major destruction (3d22), haste, spectral weapon / major destruction (3d24), haste, spectral weapon / major destruction (3d25), haste, spectral weapon / major destruction (3d28), haste, spectral weapon / major destruction (3d52), haste, spectral weapon / major destruction (3d53), haste, spectral weapon / major destruction (3d6), haste, spectral weapon | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:56:15 %??asterion 12:56:15 I think I might do one or both of 1) reduce his conjuration dmage 2) remove haste 12:56:15 probably 1 is more important 12:56:15 he doesn't have such a big spawn spot right now so the sample size is still not huge 12:56:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:15 no it's not, but it's a disturbing trend 12:56:18