00:00:56 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:02:29 b - the amulet of the Air {Inacc +Fly rElec EV+5 RMsl} 666 gold 00:02:33 ominous! 00:03:04 gammafunk: it does stuff like this sometimes: http://i.imgur.com/KVw4smB.png 00:03:55 Aha, I'm on the right track: 00:04:03 disabling all of the _make_ray things makes the problem go away. 00:04:25 And doesn't impact targeting either. <3 00:06:15 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:06:24 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2926-g20358d8 (34) 00:08:51 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2927-g9cde59c: Excise some Glaciate targeter code causing strange issues. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cde59c9bb7c 00:09:09 Good. 00:11:03 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:49 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:58 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2928-g32c10db: Make costs for +fog and RMsl artefact properties. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32c10dbb154c 00:17:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:17:47 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 00:19:00 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:22:11 btw: 00:22:17 scroll of dispelling 00:22:33 scroll of dispelling? 00:25:53 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:18 ...we need a better name for purge magic :b 00:26:38 scroll of purgy 00:26:46 don't you mean scroll of vulnerability? 00:26:46 nonethousand: do you have the patch handy? I want to remind myself what's in there. 00:26:57 oh yeah 00:27:00 scroll of Snorg 00:27:28 scroll of anti-magic 00:27:50 That suggests similarity with anti-magic weapons. 00:28:49 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:47 Grunt: ignore the noob "Signed-off-by" :P 00:29:51 http://pastebin.com/nSp4H2Eg 00:30:17 Thanks. 00:31:33 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:18 is this still true? -- "any scroll good_item" still gets you 'scroll of noise', 'scroll of curse weapon', etc 00:32:51 (the curse weapon part) 00:34:19 I am reasonably sure that that is no longer true. 00:34:55 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:55 -!- Vaporware has quit [Changing host] 00:34:55 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:07 good_item just sets item level to MAKE_GOOD_ITEM 00:36:19 which I doubt affects consumables 00:36:33 the question would be more whether any scroll can make curse item 00:36:41 -!- Vaporware is now known as DrinkMachine 00:36:42 'any scroll', that is 00:36:48 but yes it shouldn't be possible for that to happen 00:37:24 (maybe syntax.txt should be clearer on what good_item actually does) 00:37:51 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:21 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:14 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:43:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:48:06 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:48:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:51:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:30 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: g'night] 01:00:01 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:23 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:26 -!- hephaestus_rg has quit [Quit: hephaestus_rg] 01:07:43 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15:38 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 01:17:03 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 01:25:08 -!- Mad_Wack is now known as Mad_Wack_Away 01:25:08 -!- Mad_Wack_Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:28:14 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 01:33:18 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:36 should G^L on lair:8 bring you to the upstairs on lair:2? 01:34:53 i feel like it would make more sense to bring you to the branch exit 01:45:26 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:49 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 01:51:16 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:02:01 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:03:08 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:05:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:05:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:07 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:08:51 -!- Bovinius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:17:01 -!- BobBarker has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:15 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2928-g32c10db (34) 02:18:50 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:19:21 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:21:23 wheals: why lair:2? 02:21:42 i don't know 02:21:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:21:55 oh I see, sorry 02:22:03 that's what it does now, you're suggesting branch exit 02:22:25 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:22:32 yeah that makes sense to me; I can only think it'd be doing that because of a typical stash location, but is it really hard coded that way? 02:22:51 it does do branch exit if you're not in the branch, so i think it might not even be intended 02:23:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:37 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:31:02 wheals: hrm, you mean if you're on lair:8 and you do G, then L, it lists the default as 2? 02:31:24 or it lists 1, but if you just hit enter it stops on lair:2 upstairs? 02:31:53 because for me the default is 1, and if i hit enter, I do arrive on liar:1 02:31:56 it lists the default as "1 (entrance) 02:31:57 s/liar/lair/ 02:32:37 mine doesn't say "(entrance)" 02:32:40 not sure what causes that 02:32:45 weird 02:32:56 some kind of rc option? 02:33:13 specifically, i do G, then L, then ^ 02:33:18 ah 02:33:45 not sure what ^ is supposed to do, I've never used it 02:34:03 I think it may be "stop the level before arriving?" 02:34:23 in which case lair:2 upstairs makes perfect sense 02:34:43 (and in which case I really should use this ^) 02:37:21 -!- jeffro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:53 oh, the help reveals that ^ is part of a set of commands to change the default level location per-branch for G 02:38:05 was not aware that these existed 02:38:24 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:01 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:38 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:40:13 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:27 wheals: yes, the help is pretty confusing to me, but the behaviour of ^ is intentional 02:43:17 it takes you to the entrance to the "default level," which is not really a default because it seems to be reset to level 1 every time you use e.g. G L 02:45:14 -!- jeffro_ is now known as jeffro 02:45:15 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 02:45:15 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:38 -!- b4rr31_r0l1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:45:42 but if you use e.g. G L << you can change this "default" to two L:6 (assuming you're on L:8), and then hitting ^ will finally change it so that hitting enter takes you to the nearest upstairs on L:7 02:45:49 s/two/to/ 02:46:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:21 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:54:22 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:59:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:21:53 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:22:17 -!- Jann_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:23:33 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:23:33 -!- smurf3287 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:32:52 -!- hephaestus_rg has quit [Quit: hephaestus_rg] 03:34:48 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37:26 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:44:03 -!- hhkb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:14:23 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 04:25:27 What's the command to play a replay at reduced speed again? I can never seem to remember 04:26:08 -tv:x0.5 04:26:14 Is that half speed? 04:26:17 yeah 04:26:19 Thanks 04:26:25 x2 for double speed, etc. 04:27:32 -!- rizzen has quit [Quit: rizzen] 04:37:18 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:38:51 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:37 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:24 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:01 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:44:30 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: night] 05:00:48 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:03:58 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:16:25 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:29:21 -!- Sirrick has quit [] 05:33:58 -!- vadatajs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:37 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:57:49 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:02:49 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:04:49 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:08:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 06:09:24 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:28 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:14:46 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:59 -!- cptwinky has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:18:00 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:19:16 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 06:25:37 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:29:42 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 06:31:13 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:02 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:38 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:49 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:58:08 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:58:30 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:02:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:04:23 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:06:53 -!- notcluie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:09:23 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:20:38 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:24:23 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:26:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:31:49 -!- giovform has quit [Client Quit] 07:36:57 -!- jacobian has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:37:05 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 07:46:14 -!- Jinxed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:52:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:54:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:50 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:39 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:26 -!- Nstar has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 08:14:00 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:20 I am very confused by 2021bfd4438b14 claim of reducing scroll spawn rates by 10%. What it actually does is reduce scroll spawn rates by around 8%, in addition to increasing the spawn rate of every other item type (rods, staves, armor, food, books, gold, weapons, everything) by around 2%. 08:26:30 (That doesn't account for the weird item_level dependant checks in the code, which further mess with the numbers, mostly in ways which are still against that 10% figure) 08:33:26 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:01 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:39:18 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:54 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:43 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:44:29 -!- CampinSam` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:44:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:48:20 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:49:16 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:49:40 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:27 <|amethyst> Is there any reason not to give mummies MUT_HEAT_VULNERABILITY now that it exists? 08:52:25 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:16 Is their rF- special-cased in some way that normal racial resists are not, presently? 08:53:59 <|amethyst> Yeah, because they predated MUT_HEAT_VULNERABILITY. They get a -- in player_res_fire and a message in describe_mutations 08:54:22 I know they predated it, but I guess I was also asking if most racial resists ARE done by mutations now? 08:54:38 I guess vampires are probably weird, at least? 08:54:40 Since their vary so much 08:55:09 <|amethyst> positive resistances are usually just mutation 08:55:22 <|amethyst> se ghouls, nagas, etc in give_basic_mutations 08:55:50 <|amethyst> mummies even get their rC that way 08:55:53 <|amethyst> just not their rF- 08:56:15 Does MUT_HEAT_VULNERABILITY give rF-- or is it just that corruptors apply two levels of it? (Or am I misremembering that entirely) 08:57:17 <|amethyst> I don't see anything about either 08:57:54 "Also has (unique?) rF-(--) and rC-(--) mutations in said list." 08:57:57 Yeah, I guess it was multiple stacks 08:58:36 I guess probably there isn't any reason not to use it that occurs to ME, anyway 09:01:14 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:01:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:01:30 -!- CampinSam` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:04:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Client Quit] 09:08:33 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:12:49 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:26:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:35:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:35:13 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:37:51 -!- Amnesiac|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:37:51 -!- Amnesiac|3 has quit [Client Quit] 09:41:40 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 09:42:59 -!- us17 has quit [Changing host] 09:49:34 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:34 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:03:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:10:29 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:04 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 10:23:29 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:29:48 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:34:25 -!- Basil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:34:44 -!- Moredread has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:31 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:07 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:26 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:34 * Grunt looks around for a reaverb to explain things, but fails. 10:57:48 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:08 |amethyst, I thought about converting that over, but I needed to figure out how the mutation was going to work first :) 10:58:08 Grunt: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:58:39 at any rate you don't have to worry about banning the rF mutation for them 10:58:53 We don't??? Why not??? 11:00:03 * wheals glows. Grunt feels himself rotting away. 11:00:07 wheals: is it because you're about to remove mummies? 11:00:07 Lightli: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:00:12 !messages 11:00:12 (1/1) reaverb said (2h 45m 41s ago): milk chocolate is a debugging unrandart with every good artifact property in the game. 11:00:23 Oh 11:00:43 So if it happened to spawn in a game via some crazy glitch it would break it open 11:00:53 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:01:01 !tell reaverb The 10% wasn't meant to be exact; it was meant to be a relative approximation to explain why I took the simplest possible approach I could think of to adjust those numbers. :) 11:01:01 Grunt: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 11:01:30 it also does have a few negative traits 11:01:54 e - the milk chocolate {Stasis -Cast -Tele Contam *Rage Hunger+ +Blink +Rage 11:01:54 +Inv +Fly rElec rPois rF+++ rC+++ rN+ MR++ HP+10 MP+10 EV+3 Str+3 Dex+3 Int+3 11:01:54 _Acc+60 Dam+60 SInv Stlth++ Clar} 11:02:16 !send wheals the dark chocolate 11:02:17 Sending the dark chocolate to wheals. 11:02:47 anyway it says that they're for testing suppression so they'll be gone at the next save break presumably 11:03:44 is it missing the regen property? 11:04:23 DracoOmega, on the note of summons_adjustments, any further thoughts on Summon Elemental? I remember you were (also) thinking about doing some kind of scaling with spellpower, and I was wondering recently if it might be a good idea to do away with the "summon from material" idea in favour of some kind of anti-weighting check (like Vehumet gifts) to determine an elemental type. 11:06:05 But using it on rock walls is a good dig substitute! 11:06:31 We already have good "dig substitutes". They're called wands of digging (and disintegration). 11:06:35 (Not to mention, say, IOOD.) 11:07:44 I was joking 11:08:02 you forgot stone of tremors 11:09:50 fr: using it on metal walls makes iron elementals 11:10:25 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:12:14 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:28 i've used the chocolates for non-supmoth testing purposes in the past 11:13:35 would be sad to see them go, for one 11:14:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 11:15:11 oh yeah, suppression got removed for being dumb 11:15:26 thank god, I was worried it would end up in Zot :v 11:19:32 -!- Flex is now known as Guest58004 11:19:57 -!- Guest58004 is now known as G-Flex_ 11:20:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:30 -!- JoelMt has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 11:25:28 -!- mongor has quit [Quit: mongor] 11:26:17 -!- G-Flex_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:24 hrm 11:26:44 with remove curse generating less, and no curse scrolls regenerated at all, won't that make ash more annoying to use? 11:26:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:28:50 it certainly makes the more mummy-heavy ossuaries more "interesting" 11:42:13 changes to ash prayer are being pondered 11:43:15 (i'd personally prefer an ability to curse stuff) 11:43:46 oh and yeah, bringing twenty hammers into ossuary for mummy curses is a thing that shouldn't be a thing 11:44:42 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:45:13 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:46:17 hard to get twenty hammers these days 11:46:27 bring all those previously cursed -2,-1 weapons from d:1 in there instead 11:48:58 -!- Fengor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:52:23 "curse wielded weapon if not on slot a or b" "curse worn amulet if not identified" "curse worn ring if name starts with sust-" 11:52:25 so many good ideas 11:52:45 "if name starts with sust-" 11:52:45 what 11:53:05 the ring "Susteq" 11:55:34 -!- HenryClay_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:45 make mummy curses like item destruction 11:57:46 -!- JasonMel has quit [Client Quit] 11:57:56 (no pleasae don't no) 11:57:57 i.e. they destroy items when you kill them? 11:58:01 no... 11:58:06 That would be the worst idea in all of existence 11:58:17 And it would make regular mummies worse than greater mummies 11:58:21 yes but that is not the suggestion at all 11:58:25 "suggestion" 11:58:47 k 11:58:47 kill a mummy and a selection of your items are cursed 11:58:51 oh 11:58:54 like getting hit by a puff of frost 11:59:08 that sounds even more annoying than mummy curses already are 11:59:14 well really slow melee-only monsters shouldnt be encouraging you to drop items in the first place 11:59:20 especially when said monster is pretty harmless 11:59:20 crate: precisely 11:59:28 even for a melee-only slow thing 11:59:41 worm (04w) | Spd: 6 | HD: 5 | HP: 16-38 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Dam: 12 | Res: 06magic(13) | XP: 9 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 11:59:41 %??worm 11:59:42 mummy (15M) | Spd: 6 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-24 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 18 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 11:59:42 %??mummy 11:59:45 nor should they encourage you to go back and pick things up! 11:59:46 eh, more threatening than worms 12:00:01 worms are probably scarier actually since they appear earlier 12:02:29 ...and for an encore for my latest changes, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnzBASbyxWI2dDQ1SmdwVjRmc2RXN3BvR0J0Mk93X2c#gid=3 12:02:36 crate: on the other hand, monsters picking up items means it's sometimes good to have a whole stack of useless weapons which will end up absorbing mummy curses if you get an ossuary...funny 12:03:02 monsters picking up items causes bigger problems than that also :p 12:03:08 -!- HenryClay_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:03:12 for instance craterc[2] item destruction ammo autopickup 12:03:34 i used to actually pick up all flaming/frost bolts/arrows/bows/xbows 12:03:39 well monsters picking up consumables in general is a bug that's for some reason not getting fixed 12:03:43 then i stopped because it was excruciatingly annoying 12:04:02 i've had a plan to work on it for a while 12:04:03 but i've lost some items to monters picking up item destruction ranged stuff 12:04:49 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:03 sometimes I will be carrying a selection of halberds I'll never use at around ossuary depth 12:05:13 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:08:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:15:38 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:42 Grunt: you still here? I can explain what happened. 12:15:42 reaverb: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:15:47 !messages 12:15:47 (1/1) Grunt said (1h 14m 46s ago): The 10% wasn't meant to be exact; it was meant to be a relative approximation to explain why I took the simplest possible approach I could think of to adjust those numbers. :) 12:16:39 I'm going to be leaving in about 30 seconds. 12:18:25 Grunt: Drat, Basically the problem is that random_choose_weighted() means that weights are only relative. So simply deducting from the scroll weight means that everything else is more likely. 12:19:10 Grunt: 10% being approximate seems fine, but the 2% increase in all other items seemed unintended, and may or may not be desirable. 12:19:10 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2928-g32c10db (34) 12:22:46 I just witnessed a boulder beetle go into a teleport trap and still hit me on the subsequent turn 12:22:53 I'm guessing this is not supposed to happen 12:22:57 (the trap didn't trigger at all) 12:23:36 it was rolling at the time 12:28:25 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:32:01 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:32:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:34:58 -!- rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:35:13 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:38:00 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 12:41:37 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:42:59 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:43:28 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:14 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:37 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:04:39 -!- Adumbration has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:11:36 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:44 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17:22 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:28:40 -!- frostsnow has quit [Quit: I can has ssl?] 13:29:13 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:29:52 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:22 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2929-g759d53b: Don't let lightning spires petrify (#8182). 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=759d53bbf9e5 13:31:04 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:34:32 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:44 -!- Yermak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:50 hi 13:37:11 I just saw berserk monster picked up and changed its weapon! If it's not a bug, it's still a bit unfair 13:37:37 ??symmetry 13:37:37 I don't have a page labeled symmetry in my learndb. 13:43:33 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:18 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:49:55 Yermak_: what monster type? 13:50:12 vault guardian 13:50:38 normally I'd ask you to file a bug report, but cdo is down 13:50:58 !learn add gammafunk todo: vault guards wield weapons while zerked? 13:50:58 gammafunk[5/5]: todo: vault guards wield weapons while zerked? 13:51:24 ??monsters 13:51:25 monsters[1/2]: Dirty cheaters. 13:51:36 ??monsters[2 13:51:36 monsters[2/2]: The most up-to-date code for %?? and %? can be found at http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=monster-trunk.git , or clone from http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git , branch 'bleeding-edge-crawl'. 13:51:52 funny thing is, the monster command is also kind of a dirty cheater 13:52:00 but we still love it! 13:52:52 %git 4b91623d 13:52:53 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-777-g4b91623: Prohibit monster weapon swapping while berserk (#7699). 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 20+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b91623d35cc 13:54:46 !locate Yermak 13:54:47 Yermak was last seen on CLAN (Yermak, L17 SpAK of Lugonu). 13:54:52 !lm Yermak 13:54:53 13826. [2014-03-02 19:48:53] Yermak the Imperceptible (L17 SpAK of Lugonu) entered the Hall of Blades on turn 15125. (Vaults:3) 13:54:55 !lm Yermak -log 13:54:56 Yermak, XL17 SpAK, T:15125 (milestone) has no matching game. 13:55:18 ??bots 13:55:18 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #), Rotatell (CBRO, ^); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? & and others) 13:55:27 $dump Yermak 13:55:27 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Yermak/Yermak.txt 13:55:52 heh, this is Yermak, of course 13:55:56 probably monster::wield_melee_weapon should have a check for berserk() 13:56:04 I see d:1 char dump 13:56:10 like swap_weapons does 13:56:18 and he's actually XL17 and well into vaults now 13:57:18 well, did they save or otherwise dump since? 13:58:40 Yermak tends to play a bit quicker than most players 13:58:49 !hs * recent 13:58:51 775542. Yermak the Ninja (L22 SpAs of Dithmenos), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-01-18 01:19:16, with 48050858 points after 29929 turns and 8:16:23. 13:59:23 -!- HenryClay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:56 wait wield_melee_weapon calls swap_weapons 13:59:59 so never mind 14:00:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:01:20 !lm Yermak x=cv 14:01:21 13826. [2014-03-02 19:48:53] [cv=0.14-a] Yermak the Imperceptible (L17 SpAK of Lugonu) entered the Hall of Blades on turn 15125. (Vaults:3) 14:14:04 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:43 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:24:23 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:27:48 !tell Grunt bug report: user elmdor wasn't able to train invoc with mahk until he saved+reload 14:27:48 buppy: OK, I'll let grunt know. 14:36:03 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:38:37 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:42:25 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:42:36 -!- Chris7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:45:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:51:54 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:59 -!- BanquosGhost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:37 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:56:25 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:23 -!- raskol` has quit [Quit: quit] 15:19:12 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:24:53 -!- airwaveraid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:21 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:36 i noticed one drawback to the new summon ai 15:28:46 if you try to use summons vs an invisible thing they dont move to follow you any more 15:28:58 so you can't do something like this: Dx@ 15:29:03 where the D is a hydra and x is invisible 15:29:10 (maybe tf fixes this, i didnt try it) 15:29:17 (since i was dying) 15:31:14 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:47 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 15:41:27 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:01 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:48:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:50:46 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:51:41 yeah, since it defaults to wander, they won't move toward you unless you tf 15:52:11 yeah tf fixes it 15:52:51 it was kind of a shock to learn this as my hydra refused to kill the ghost moth though 15:53:24 invis monsters are kind of just summoner's bane in general 15:53:37 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:40 unless the summoned monster is see/sense invis, it's a total crapshoot 15:53:44 well i wouldve been perfectly fine if my hydra wouldve done something! 15:53:47 this is actually plenty reliable 15:54:10 well, good news is that I understand the redraw code to see why people had such a hard time with making antannea show indicators for invisible monsters 15:54:31 have you broken the curse 15:54:42 and i can see how to fix it in general (along with the sigmund goes invis when stepping into los thing) 15:54:55 that sounds nice 15:55:22 I don't have time to fix it all now, but I'll make those fixes and push to a branch Real Soon 15:55:27 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:55:38 bunch of stuff I kind of what some experienced people to look over anyhow 15:56:49 there are also a bunch of invis indicator trailers that the redraw code is attempting to make at various monster stealth checks 15:56:58 that are never being displayed because of the same general problem 15:57:07 these will be fixed as well, but tbh I'm not sure they should exist 15:57:30 !function _update_monster 15:57:31 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/show.cc;hb=HEAD#l381 15:58:13 I'm talking about the potentially two additional indicators that can appear adjacent to the monster's true position 16:00:05 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:00:19 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:28 ...wow, i never knew monster stealthiness was a thing 16:01:20 didn't those exist for a while and then were removed? multiple disturbance indicators on one monster that is 16:01:32 MarvinPA: they're still there, but currently broken 16:01:46 unless they get lucky and end up on the monster's position 16:01:55 right i mean i thought they were removed deliberately 16:01:59 i guess maybe not then 16:02:08 ok, would you support removing them? 16:02:31 yeah, i don't think there should be multiple disturbances for one monster 16:02:46 was my thinking as well 16:03:20 things MarvinPA doesn't support removal of: toenail golems, antique liches, giant eyeballs, ??? 16:03:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:38 this list exhaustive 16:03:40 going with water maybe? 16:08:57 -!- whig has quit [] 16:16:37 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:03 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:06 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:21 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:36 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:01 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:34 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:32:45 -!- Basil has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:34:25 -!- Watball has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:40:45 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:35 Hey can somebody fix a typo in monsters.txt? "futily" should be "futilely" 16:45:07 Err for the worldbinder description 16:48:18 also a typo with "percived" 16:49:08 pubby (L12 TrMo) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 4405 failed. (D (Sprint)) 16:49:24 pubby (L12 TrMo) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 4405 failed. (D (Sprint)) 16:49:36 !crashlog sprint pubby 16:49:37 No keyword 'pubby' 16:49:42 !crashlog pubby sprint 16:49:42 2. pubby, XL12 TrMo, T:1536 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/pubby/crash-pubby-20140302-224922.txt 16:49:50 for some reason my troll is standing on a wall 16:50:16 pubby (L12 TrMo) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 4405 failed. (D (Sprint)) 16:50:47 which sprint is this? 16:50:54 menkaure I think 16:51:04 I don't even care about the save, I just wanted to start a new game 16:52:02 weird 16:52:19 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2930-gfe7e74c: Typo fix (AreBrandon). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe7e74c9a5cd 16:52:30 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:32 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:52:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:05 I think that menkaure map has walls that open up as time goes by? and my char was standing on a wall that had opened? 16:53:22 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:55 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:11 hey, i had some questions about how jiyva str-dex balancing works for attribute shifts 16:55:25 !dump . 16:55:26 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/WalkerBoh/WalkerBoh.txt 16:55:34 jiyva keeps taking my dex and putting it into str here 16:55:37 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:55:54 which is making my char actively worse 16:56:12 wondering if there's any way i can influence him to stop sapping my dex 16:58:59 -!- codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:07 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:05:46 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2930-gfe7e74c (34) 17:06:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07:48 usually "drop stuff" should work 17:09:36 if you don't feed the jellies with your precious items, daddy jiyva will punish you 17:09:39 i have about 50% of my carrying capacity 17:09:47 so ChrisOelmueller that's not what's doing it 17:10:38 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:11:16 i'm just trying to figure out what i can change to have jiyva pick a more dex-favorable balance 17:12:49 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:16 i mean, now i have 38 str to 18 dex =/ 17:14:21 lighter armour? 17:14:37 i'm only wearing a chain mail 17:14:55 and my dodging is 26 17:15:01 well even with heavier armour having more than 18 dex would be useful for this char 17:15:02 i feel like that needs to factor in somewhere 17:15:10 i'm at 39/17 now 17:15:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:12 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:13 i mean gosh even in gda you'd want less than 35 str and more than 18 dex 17:15:22 who knows how low this will go before it stops sapping my dex 17:15:38 but it's costing me at least 10-15 EV 17:15:40 of course whichever code determines this hasn't been updated in a long while and is probably hilarious in the bad way 17:15:54 but it also won't happen without a patch i'm afraid? 17:16:25 i'm just trying to understand what factors in right now 17:16:35 i just wear light armor on jiyva dudes and try to not look at anything too closely 17:16:56 Well chain mail is a little on the heavy side... Though high str being undesireable sounds like a problem on its own 17:17:03 42/16 17:17:15 it's not that high str is bad 17:17:21 it's that it's bad at the expense of all of my dex 17:17:49 <|amethyst> // Divide up the remaining stat points between Int and either Str or Dex, 17:17:52 <|amethyst> // based on skills. 17:17:55 <|amethyst> target_stat[(evp >= 15) ? 0 : 2] += other_weights; 17:17:57 Looking at the code, there are couple of evp >= 15 tests. 17:18:06 And chain is exactly 15... 17:18:11 So switch out of Chain 17:18:22 why is that breakpoint 17:18:29 so jiyva chars just are not allowed to wear chain mail? 17:18:40 not if you want to dodge, apparently 17:18:40 It's bad old code. 17:18:41 seems like there's some room for more fine tuning haha 17:18:47 <|amethyst> it should scale between dex and str based on your EVP 17:18:54 <|amethyst> instead of just choosing between them 17:18:59 <|amethyst> should be easy enough 17:19:01 <|amethyst> change that line 17:19:20 <|amethyst> at what point should it be pure str? 17:19:22 <|amethyst> plate? 17:19:23 <|amethyst> crystal? 17:19:25 probably never 17:19:32 one-time six-star jiyva invocation to set your stats to whatever you want 17:19:42 -!- ZRN has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:19:45 ontoclasm: This 17:19:48 but |amethyst i'd say crystal is a reasonable line to set 17:19:53 if you have 0 dodging skill then pure str 17:20:06 i'd prefer to yeah, have dodging skill factor in 17:20:18 <|amethyst> yeah, that could work 17:20:58 haha now i'm at 43/14 17:21:04 this is so stupid xD 17:22:14 quick, go for a stat swap 17:22:29 i'm just switcing to leather 17:22:31 or stop playing before your ev is completely ruined 17:22:31 eff this 17:23:11 you could press 5 in leather for a while then swap and do things 17:23:19 repeat this until |amethyst saves the day 17:23:22 yeah i'm not up for that 17:23:37 getting this fixed in the future is enough for me 17:26:44 Naga derived undead should show weapons 17:28:59 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:17 <|amethyst> WalkerBoh: what's your dodging skill btw? 17:35:42 27 17:37:00 <|amethyst> my formula would give you pure dex (plus int) after you've satisfied the carrying capacity and ==evp strengths 17:37:14 awesome 17:37:17 <|amethyst> int str_weight = (10*evp - you.skill(SK_DODGING, 10))/15; then clipped between 0 and 10 17:37:25 <|amethyst> then that's used to divide up other_weights 17:37:37 that seems loads better 17:37:59 <|amethyst> so chain + 0 dodging is pure str, chain + 15 dodging pure dex, crystal + 23 dodging is pure dex 17:38:58 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:40:15 but that's assuming you've met the evp strengths? 17:40:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:40:38 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:40:46 <|amethyst> yeah, it still tries to give you str = max(9, evp, 2 + carrying_strength) 17:40:59 okay, cool 17:41:10 <|amethyst> then what's left over gets divided up between int and (str or dex) 17:41:31 <|amethyst> except with my change, it's between int and (str and/or dex) 17:43:35 <|amethyst> there's another use of evp >= 15 that I'm not sure what to do with 17:43:39 <|amethyst> // If you are in really heavy armour, then you already are getting a 17:43:39 <|amethyst> // lot of Str and more won't help much, so weight magic more. 17:44:17 Those GDA casters. 17:45:02 <|amethyst> I'm going to leave that bit alone for now... it mean Walker will get a lot more int than dex if he's a caster 17:45:16 <|amethyst> well 17:45:21 yeah but that's probably okay 17:45:31 at least then the int is doing you good 17:46:06 -!- Mad_Wack is now known as Mad_Wack_Away 17:46:10 !lg * max=str x=str status= 17:46:13 2243429. [str=72] Cuckatoo the Farming Talismancer (L27 MuFi of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 61 runes on 2007-08-01 08:27:11, with 2200969 points after 3190190 turns and 9d+8:36:31. 17:46:18 wow 17:46:23 !lg * recent max=str x=str status= 17:46:28 428899. [str=56] Genzel the Heavyweight Champion (L27 TrHu of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-06-29 14:51:29, with 1807534 points after 67194 turns and 10:13:59. 17:48:07 (a) how do you redefine a cset to be blank (i.e. a space) 17:48:32 (b) does travel horizon overwrite detected items on X map 17:51:25 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:51:50 -!- Mad_Wack_Away is now known as Mad_Wack 17:58:29 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:57 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:01:03 ChrisOelmueller: for A probably use the hex value of a space 18:01:25 x20 i think? 18:02:04 no clue on B though 18:02:16 yeah that works indeed 18:02:27 no idea why i didn't think of it myself :) 18:02:39 there's aprobably a more elegant way but that's what came to mind 18:03:26 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 18:03:45 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:04 b probably shouldn't happen but i'm also not that eager to take a look at display/view code 18:05:17 and mantis is down also, good 18:07:02 now you have to fix it 18:07:22 undev_reasons 18:08:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:08:34 why is mantis down 18:08:46 ??cdo 18:08:46 is cdo down[1/2]: Yes, a server move is underway. It will be back Real Soon Now (probably by the end of the 1st week in March). 18:10:24 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:11:23 rip cdo 18:17:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2931-gcd1638e: Remove scrolls of curse foo from vaults 10(83 minutes ago, 5 files, 18+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd1638e14c91 18:17:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2932-g0bebd3a: Make curse armour/jewellery always work as if worshipping Ashenzari 10(56 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 75-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bebd3a1b33c 18:17:59 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2933-g2f3bebc: Adjust Ashenzari curse scroll weights, sometimes generate multiple scrolls 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 30+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f3bebc844bf 18:18:09 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:19:01 <|amethyst> hm 18:19:09 <|amethyst> re Chris's B 18:20:22 <|amethyst> trying to decide whether to look for a glyph of ' ', or to look for SH_NOTHING 18:21:35 MarvinPA: Nice, weight based on available slots. Why wpn = 3? 18:22:23 vaguely arbitrary, i think it'd be too rare if it were any lower than that though 18:22:25 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:23:35 -!- JasonMel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:16 Personally I use a lot less cw than cj. 18:25:21 curse weapon is a very nice thing to find early though 18:25:43 so if it's too rare, piety might actually have to be rebalanced a bit more? not sure 18:26:10 where by find i mean "obtain" now 18:29:50 Could of course consider giving one of those when you join. 18:30:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2934-g048af8e: Eliminate EVP 15 breakpoint for getting Dex from Jiyva. 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=048af8ec5dc0 18:30:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2935-g6a872f1: Make detected items etc override explore horizon (ChrisOelmueller) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a872f12d9b9 18:30:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2936-g9455bd2: Remove unneeded braces. 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 0+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9455bd2214c0 18:30:34 then i'd really prefer an ability to curse stuff yourself over having all those scrolls around 18:30:34 <|amethyst> I'm sure this Jiyva stuff could use tweaking, so feel free 18:30:35 -!- Watball is now known as comeatme 18:30:40 -!- comeatme is now known as daanng 18:30:49 -!- daanng is now known as Watball 18:30:50 |amethyst: nice 18:31:08 there's a jiyva thing that definitely needs tweaking and that's jelly splitting 18:31:13 Anyway, I guess the weight isn't that big of a deal. It's just less annoying to run out of scrolls, than to run out of scrolls but have 10 curse weapons :P 18:31:26 <|amethyst> Yeah, jelly splitting needs tuned 18:31:35 when i killed them this was kind of an unwanted consequence that just wasn't as visible because of being broken when i tested 18:31:48 so now they have no hp but split on literally every item 18:32:28 -!- WalkerBoh has left ##crawl-dev 18:32:46 <|amethyst> maybe it should be tracked by something other than HP? 18:33:09 <|amethyst> just reducing their healing from items would help, though 18:33:37 <|amethyst> The problem is there's now a lot less space between normal maxhp and true maxhp (where splitting happens) 18:33:43 -!- tkappleton2 is now known as tkappleton 18:33:59 <|amethyst> maxmaxhp I guess 18:36:05 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:36:25 <|amethyst> anyway, I must be going for now 18:38:19 -!- afadfa has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:39:12 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39:32 i like summon branch, a few comments from my 1 game 18:39:40 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:56 1) ccf feels kind of too good when you get wolf/warg (this isnt really just summon branch) 18:40:09 2) lightning spire is really nuts with lots of spellpower, scaling can probably be turned down 18:40:40 3) not sure mana vipers are really worth it since with summoner you don't actually care about enemies casting spells all that much, maybe make it level 5 18:40:52 (it felt worse than menagerie and was also harder to cast) 18:41:13 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:01 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:08 do guardian golems bond with spires? 18:50:31 i think so 18:50:48 as an aside, I feel like polyphemus should be immune to petrification 18:51:06 that could be another piece to look at then 18:51:12 seeing as you can just get his catoblepas to petrify him 18:51:26 even with golem the spire didnt seem too durable, it was mainly that it just killed everything 18:51:29 since it did so much damage 18:51:35 polyphemus needs all the help he can get to get and that isn't helping ;] 18:51:44 i did have archmagi for almost the whole game but it felt like it did too much 18:51:55 mhm possibly so, okay 18:52:01 i'll still bring it up again and again :P 18:52:08 also for speed 10 things you can just back up as the spire shoots at them 18:52:19 possibly it is not really a good fit for su book since it doesnt really play nice with other summons 18:53:02 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:53:02 -!- Yermak_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:54:35 I found I could use spire at the bottom fork of a T with me on the left and some other thing on the right, and that was really really excellent, but I didn't find it's damage overpowered, but I didn't have archmagi, and only got to level 14 before I imploded, It's possible that it's too powerful at the high end, and I just didn't get there. 18:56:04 I'm playing a TeSu right now so I should end up with more spellpower than that last Su, I'll see if it feels OP to me... 18:57:11 i thought it was already a good spell before it started to scale fwiw 19:01:04 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:25 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:31 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2937-g4e34cb1: Remove insignificant speed-up of corpse rotting with Powered by Death. 10(7 minutes ago, 5 files, 4+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e34cb1a7570 19:05:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:07:57 Pacra: maybe make polyphemus get stoneskin from the catoplebas' breath! 19:09:23 yokelz: I like 19:10:03 or statue form! 19:10:30 sounds too powerful... 19:10:38 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:10:56 well considering you could walk away 19:10:57 he should at least be immune to his catlobe; it's just a trifle ridiculous 19:12:59 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:54 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:17:42 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! 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