00:01:24 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01:33 -!- nixor1 has quit [Client Quit] 00:01:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2737-gb10a4c8 (34) 00:02:51 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:11:35 -!- broquain1 is now known as broquaint 00:11:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:12:43 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:15:30 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/Termigargoyle2.png you just had to listen 00:16:09 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:18:08 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:35 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2737-gb10a4c8 (34) 00:22:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:24 an unholy angel 00:29:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:30:28 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:37:06 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:17 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:47:08 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2737-gb10a4c8 00:47:15 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:40 faster than a bullet 00:49:43 terrifying scream 00:59:07 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:30 -!- jeffro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:18 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: g'bort] 01:02:35 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:02:43 -!- home_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:03:47 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:44 -!- Guest81856 is now known as bhaak 01:06:29 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:07:32 -!- Guest13025 is now known as jarpiain 01:11:25 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2738-g2c571d7: Speed brand changes (Nethris). 10(47 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c571d7ee124 01:11:25 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2739-g411bbed: Remove -10% pre-AC damage for speed launchers; remove instance of blatant monster cheating. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=411bbedfe50e 01:19:27 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:29:35 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:32:52 ...experiment of the moment: http://sprunge.us/cbOf 01:35:34 cool, iron shotgun 01:35:47 <|amethyst> does that leave any non-hardbook single-target conjurations above force lance? 01:36:21 besides bolt of fire/cold/drain/lbolt? 01:36:34 I... don't think so? 01:36:54 oh you mean truly single target 01:36:56 <|amethyst> I wasn't thinking of those as single-target, but I guess you can use . 01:37:19 yeah they often are used as single-target spells 01:37:51 there's bolt of magma 01:37:53 i would suggest replacing bolt of magma rather than iron shot, dunno what flavour beam would fit there though 01:37:54 is that L5? 01:38:20 <|amethyst> "volcanic spray" 01:38:51 <|amethyst> lavatation 01:39:03 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 01:39:17 <|amethyst> yes, b.magma is L5 01:39:19 MarvinPA: just because we have too many bolts? 01:39:29 yeah 01:39:51 I actually sort of like bolt of magma but I agree we have too many bolts 01:42:21 also I'd still like to see iron shot made more interesting at some point regardless 01:42:38 magma's neat in terms of being partially irresistible at least, yeah 01:43:20 maybe that for iron shot and doing something else to one of bolt of magma/fire would work too 01:45:19 how much do people like the bolt of fire/cold symmetry, anyway? I have mixed feelings about it 01:45:36 or throw flame/frost for that matter 01:45:59 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:47:07 i don't really mind it but i wouldn't have a problem with breaking it if there was some good idea for one of them, i guess 01:47:14 I think bolt of fire/cold are nice and simple and people understand how they work, but at the same time they sometimes make fire/ice conjurers feel too similar I think 01:47:28 combined with fire/ice storm I guess, and maybe we are replacing ice storm 01:48:17 I also don't particularly love how bolt of fire has 1 more range than bolt of cold because "fire is supposed to be better than cold at doing damage" or whatever 01:48:33 -!- drugrobin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:48:41 I only noticed the range thing recently and was very confused when I first noticed it. 01:49:03 so I guess I have some preference for removing/changing bolt of fire rather than bolt of magma, but I'm not sure 01:49:25 but uh gammafunk 01:49:27 is that okay 01:51:23 Not that it's necessarily relevant, but a lot more monsters use bolt of fire in some form rather than bolt of magma. 01:51:27 also i guess changing iron shot like that means earth magic has issues with high ac until lcs, maybe that's fine though 01:51:29 (Possibly too many, for that matter.) 01:51:58 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 01:52:09 since you can always pick up magma anyway 01:52:22 I went back and forth on BEAM_FRAG vs. other things for a while when I was working on that; this ended up being more distinctive in my playtesting. 01:54:25 Grunt: probably many of them could change to bolt of magma without much issue? 01:54:49 Well, let's go over the list... 01:54:53 MarvinPA: stone arrow isn't the absolute worst against high ac 01:57:08 (a)lich (one spellset of four), efreet/fire giant/Margery, orc sorcerer, hell knight (one spell set of two), necromancer (one spell set of two), wizard (one of five), balrug, golden dragon, deep elf conjurer, orb of fire, draconian scorcher, Asmodeus, Harold, Mara, ophan, ogre mage (one of five). 01:57:54 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:03:12 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 02:05:04 <|amethyst> Grunt: < Utis> Eh? I suddenly can't train invocations with Sif Muna at * piety. 02:06:28 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:30 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:23 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:10:46 golden dragon (08D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 87-126 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 40, 20, 2007(trample) | see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(192), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 4175 | Sp: b.fire (3d27), b.cold (3d27), poisonous cloud (3d11) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 02:10:46 %??golden dragon 02:10:50 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 02:10:50 %??fire dragon 02:11:11 I never realized those were not the same fire breath... 02:11:55 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:32 (todo: spellify a lot of those weird cases and fix up handling of natural / priest / wizard / ...) 02:14:24 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:25 BATTLEMAGE ... 02:15:30 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:41 (todo: adjust greater nagas into naga battlemages) 02:15:45 <_< 02:16:04 monster with all three of battlesphere, spectral weapon, grand avatar 02:16:07 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:19 Just the first two would suffice :b 02:16:35 well then it's just not over-the-top enough 02:16:55 -!- nixor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:17:09 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2739-g411bbed (34) 02:17:19 naga battlemage (13N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 15 | HP: 67-102 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 703(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1815 | Sp: poison arrow (3d22), mystic blast (3d19), haste, battlesphere, spectral weapon, 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Large | Int: high. 02:17:19 %??greater naga name:naga_battlemage n_rpl n_des spells:poison_arrow;iskenderun's_mystic_blast;haste;iskenderun's_battlesphere;spectral_weapon;teleport_self 02:17:35 teleport self 02:17:38 oh that teleport self is so infuriating 02:17:43 name it jozef 02:17:49 (this is a minor adjustment to its current spellset <_<) 02:17:50 or was he teleport other 02:17:52 mmm 02:17:55 Lamia teleport self 02:18:46 nice damage on that naga 02:19:52 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:59 hm 02:20:10 Dowan (05e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 25 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(24) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 54 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), throw flame (3d5), throw frost (3d5), slow, haste, 04esc:crystal spear (3d19) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 02:20:10 %??dowan spells:magic_dart;throw_flame;throw_frost;slow;haste;lehudib's_crystal_spear 02:20:19 !fight greater naga name:naga_battlemage n_rpl n_des spells:poison_arrow;iskenderun's_mystic_blast;haste;iskenderun's_battlesphere;spectral_weapon;teleport_self v tengu reaver delay:100 t:10 02:20:53 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:21:57 Dowan gets LCS when duvessa dies, Duvessa gets Legendary Destruction when Dowan dies 02:22:37 Dowan (05e) | Spd: 15 | HD: 3 | HP: 25 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(24) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 72 | Sp: fire storm (8d2), ice storm (10d3), tornado, shatter / fire storm (8d2), ice storm (10d4), tornado, shatter / fire storm (8d3), ice storm (10d3), tornado, shatter / fire storm (8d3), ice storm (10d4), tornado, shatter | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 02:22:37 %??dowan spells:fire_storm;ice_storm;tornado;shatter perm_ench:haste 02:22:46 ...good spell damage. 02:23:39 10-40 is pretty scary 02:23:55 although not so much once you consider the chances of him blowing up himself 02:24:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:47 Dowan seems overcome with grief, but rights himself reflexively soon after. 02:25:54 The blast explodes into a great storm of ice! 02:27:13 The blast engulfs Dowan! 02:27:25 Dowan dies. 02:27:41 actually that only makes it more sad 02:27:52 he an heroes 02:30:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:32:33 !fight executioner spells:haste;hellfire_burst v ice_fiend t:10 02:33:43 Executioner (151) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 49-83 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2480 | Sp: haste, hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 02:33:43 %??executioner spells:haste;hellfire_burst 02:33:59 !fight executioner spells:haste;hellfire_burst v ice_fiend delay:100 t:10 02:34:09 the lack of rHellfire is a bit problematic 02:34:14 oh, it doesn't report back 02:34:58 I kept waiting for it to tell me that it was queued 02:35:37 !fight executioner spells:haste;hellfire_burst v ice_fiend delay:100 t:10 02:40:05 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:50:18 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:54:09 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:55:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:57:26 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:10:35 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10:46 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:20:13 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:21:15 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:21 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:25:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:30:16 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:33:29 -!- bd__ is now known as bd- 03:34:40 -!- Solstafir has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:36:34 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:41:15 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:46:00 -!- Bodrick_ is now known as Bodrick 03:50:56 -!- Chris7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:56:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58:58 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:05:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:06:10 -!- Adumbration has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:07:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:09:35 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 04:20:07 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:25 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:21:49 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:23:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:58 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36:59 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:37:08 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:41:38 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:41:52 -!- Kaput_ is now known as Kaput 04:43:08 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:52:45 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 04:56:35 -!- Takanen has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 05:10:12 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:15:24 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 05:16:33 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:39 !seen dpeg 05:16:39 I last saw dpeg at Wed Feb 19 00:00:49 2014 UTC (2d 11h 15m 50s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: sleep'. 05:16:42 !seen galehar 05:16:42 I last saw galehar at Thu Feb 20 22:00:43 2014 UTC (13h 15m 59s ago) joining the channel. 05:19:54 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:25:37 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:39 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:50 -!- popsofctown has quit [] 05:33:28 sanka (L13 MuCK) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1035: screen write out of bounds: (21,0) into (80,7) (Temple) 05:34:21 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:17 !crash sanka 05:35:21 !lm sanka 05:35:23 12018. [2014-02-21 11:33:28] sanka the Nimble Farmer (L13 MuCK of Xom) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1035: screen write out of bounds: (21,0) into (80,7) (Temple) 05:35:27 !lm sanka -tv 05:35:28 12018. sanka, XL13 MuCK, T:230800 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 05:36:08 cute 05:36:45 That was from attempting to make a macro of 555 repeating 05:38:07 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1035: screen write out of bounds: (22,0) into (80,7) (D:1) 05:38:50 Crashes when you fill up the entire message box with 5s (or any letter, presumably) 05:38:57 and attempt to start another row. 05:40:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:41:25 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:41:41 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:43:17 -!- crate has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:46 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:51:20 -!- yuri-hime has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:55:09 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55:50 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:55:50 hmm 05:55:57 Felid unique, Natasha, can't see invisible by Sar 05:56:08 should fast_jewellery_swap rcfile option default to true or false 05:58:52 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 06:01:51 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:04:42 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:17:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:20:54 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:07 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:21:58 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:23:57 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:28 !tell MarvinPA The initfile option for my addition and the currently-standing automatic ring swap is on mantis. 06:24:28 Basil: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 06:24:34 -!- eith|2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:49 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:14 -!- mattington has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:29:20 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:30:16 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 06:31:22 -!- 92AAAIANP has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:38:21 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:05 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:53:39 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:00 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:58:33 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:38 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:02:43 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:11:03 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:21:32 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:33 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:28:34 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:27 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:33:37 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:02 -!- eith|3 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:44 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:41:03 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:04:16 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:58 please make iron shot nail enemies to walls 08:13:15 and make throw frost into throw snowball with tempblind 08:13:39 -!- eith|3 is now known as eith 08:15:28 also b.magma name something something pyroclasm 08:15:38 -!- Sokar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:17:19 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:19 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 08:17:19 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:44 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:57 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:24:10 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:17 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:00 ...i did not know that player felids have sinv 08:29:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:29:50 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:30:27 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:36 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Client Quit] 08:31:28 Natasha (02h) | Spd: 10 (move: 80%) | HD: 3 | HP: 15 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(24) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 35 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, call imp, 04esc:mephitic cloud | Sz: little | Int: high. 08:31:28 %??natasha 08:31:28 dck: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:38:02 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:41:51 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:48:19 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49:44 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:50:19 wheals: You should play one sometime 08:50:23 it is quite something 08:50:30 !hs . fe-- 08:50:31 14. wheals the Ruinous (L7 FeVM of Vehumet), slain by a warg (kmap: erik_orc_4) on D:6 on 2013-12-01 19:46:34, with 1086 points after 12628 turns and 0:32:34. 08:50:40 huh that's a lot more than i expected 08:54:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:27 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 08:54:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:06:21 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:10:14 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:55 -!- dude is now known as Guest47769 09:11:25 -!- Guest47769 has quit [Client Quit] 09:11:39 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:18:31 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:17 -!- truemonolith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 09:29:50 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:31:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:35:14 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:36 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:13 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:57:45 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:45 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 09:57:46 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 10:04:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:08 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:53 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19:25 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:26 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:22:29 Unlinked temporary items after defeating orc band by johnnyzero 10:22:29 Make books auto-ID on walkover. by Sage 10:22:58 Unlinked temporary items after defeating orc band by johnnyzero 10:22:58 Make books auto-ID on walkover. by Sage 10:23:28 hmm 10:23:53 Should identical books be removed from your shopping list after the book is identified, or only when you pick it up 10:25:50 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:53 I don't like making books auto-ID on walkover, since currently nothing else behaves like this and the gain seems quite small 10:31:06 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:31:10 note that you still need to pick up artifact books or ctrl-f them to see the contents 10:31:17 which is sort of awkward 10:32:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:21 hmm 10:32:36 Strange that you can't xv artefact books 10:32:54 any especial reason, other than that it's not written in? 10:33:05 well, xv isn't really designed for examining items on the ground, no? 10:33:30 I can xv minor magic and see its spells 10:33:36 it's only ever useful in zigsprint 10:33:42 and I can examine the spells through that as well 10:34:21 oh, you can examine items on the ground, hm 10:34:48 I'll see if I can make artefact books examinable 10:34:55 probably they already are? 10:35:20 oh 10:35:22 strange 10:35:26 it wasn't but now it is 10:36:12 anyway I'm still not really convinced that this is a good idea, the interface feels more convoluted than just picking up the book 10:36:40 -!- Adumbration has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:36:53 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:36:56 Mostly it's so I can decide whether I want to bother with e.g. the third copy of Flames that game 10:37:05 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:21 -!- edhmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:37:43 Basil: well, changing book ID so that books of flames are all IDed as soon as you find the first book of flames has been discussed 10:38:01 and I think people generally like the idea (would be more consistent with other ID) 10:38:23 i wondered why that wasn't the case when i first started playing 10:40:46 -!- Zannick has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:41:06 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:41:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:56 -!- Rstyle has quit [Quit: Quitte] 10:51:14 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51:21 -!- bhaak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:51:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:55:50 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:06 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:57:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:59:27 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:01:59 <|amethyst> I guess the *idea* is to make a spellbook usually something you'd want to detour to pick up 11:02:07 <|amethyst> since it might have good stuff 11:03:24 <|amethyst> but I guess that really means that it disappoints the player rather than being ignored by the player 11:03:27 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2739-g411bbed (34) 11:05:34 -!- Hailey has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:06:29 |amethyst: yeah, and I think there are enough distinct spellbooks that you'll still have plenty of spellbooks that you really want to check out for most of the game 11:07:48 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:47 <|amethyst> oh, I never did report this on mantis 11:10:59 <|amethyst> now that blood potions are auto-ided, they're no longer red 11:11:04 <|amethyst> (in console) 11:12:22 Clearly preserve the old colours but keep the auto-ID behaviour. 11:12:27 <|amethyst> not sure if there's a better way to do it than doing what we used to do but having it identified (so you never *see* "gluggy red potion" or whatever, but that's what it is 11:12:30 <|amethyst> what grunt said 11:12:52 <|amethyst> you could do it with special-case code in the display logic too 11:13:15 <|amethyst> or config overrides, but then clearing the overrides gives you weird-coloured blood potions again 11:14:00 <|amethyst> I guess this also affects how the potion looks in tiles, too 11:14:06 <|amethyst> s/also // 11:14:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:16:39 yeh, I'd noticed porridge gets weird colors too, but figured it was just inevitable from being pre-id-d 11:17:29 why do potions of blood spawn at all 11:17:34 -!- julian____ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:12 Let's see: http://sprunge.us/VdLO 11:20:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:41 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:22:57 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:44 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:44 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:23:44 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:20 -!- nixor1 has quit [Client Quit] 11:32:11 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:21 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:32:22 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:33:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:45 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:36:53 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:39:40 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:41:25 ChrisOelmueller: you think they should just be pre-IDed and only made by bottling? 11:41:28 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:46 well i think they don't add much to crawl and now not even to the id game 11:42:09 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2740-g763b3b7: Let felid enemies see invisible (#8185). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=763b3b7df15d 11:42:09 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2741-g2428150: Restore old blood / porridge item appearances (|amethyst). 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 50+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24281500cb45 11:42:11 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:42:11 could settle for that, sure, it sounds better than what's there now 11:42:11 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2740-g763b3b7: Let felid enemies see invisible (#8185). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=763b3b7df15d 11:42:11 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2741-g2428150: Restore old blood / porridge item appearances (|amethyst). 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 50+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24281500cb45 11:42:16 I imagine they're only around for the sake of Vp anyway. 11:42:42 I should figure out when they started generating randomly (probably the same time they came into existence). 11:43:01 in addition to generating randomly i think vp enemies have them 11:43:07 That too. 11:43:28 well, that doesn't sound like an actual problem 11:43:30 yeah okay that can either stay or they get the jory treatment 11:43:46 also fountains of blood could be made an unthing after Ds enemies i guess! yay 11:43:49 probably some vaults place them too 11:45:20 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:32 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:45:43 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:35 ...yeah, I was right. 11:46:38 %git 94002884 11:46:44 07jpeg02 * 0.3-a0-668-g9400288: Vampires, yay! Credit mostly goes to Jarmo, though there are a few traces of things I've changed (that I've included and then commented out). 10(7 years ago, 24 files, 773+ 53-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94002884ec34 11:47:12 "yay" 11:47:18 -!- Sokar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49:48 -!- darkfrog_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:54:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:51 http://sprunge.us/eNjQ 11:56:24 -!- soundlust|2 is now known as soundlust 11:56:35 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:00:52 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 26.0/20131215102647]] 12:02:26 Searching "boot" displays empty matches window by Sar 12:02:27 Searching "boot" displays empty matches window by Sar 12:02:51 -!- Adumbration has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:02:54 right could somebody revert that change to default filter please? 12:03:08 it didn't work and i'm not very interested in fixing the problems uncovered myself 12:03:27 the stacking one seems to be fine though with the exception of shops, and probably even there 12:13:19 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:08 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:38 -!- Sokar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24:07 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:24:57 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:02 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:27:48 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:29:18 Grunt: ok those numbers look not cool imo :) i even have a branch here that cuts some of those weights by 10 or 100 12:29:25 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:30:20 could just give porridge a bit higher weight for it and round up some others 12:30:35 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:50 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:34:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:41:15 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dgamelaunch work for any program? looking at cszo it's running rfk, boggle, atc. not sure what it takes to set up a new game 15:38:07 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:39:01 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:40:21 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 73-120 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 05fire++, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1818 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 15:40:21 %??fire_giant 15:41:38 crawl has to be specifically built with dgamelaunch support... 15:43:05 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:43:33 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:43:59 <|amethyst> johnstein: you can run pretty much anything, but things like the 'where' files (used by the watch menu) require support in the program 15:44:23 -!- dpc has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:44:33 <|amethyst> johnstein: and if you want to pass the username to the program, the program has to support that 15:45:02 so atc, rfk, and boggle were compile to work with dgamelaunch? 15:45:08 compiled 15:45:12 <|amethyst> no, they don't use where files 15:45:28 <|amethyst> so if you look at a game in the menu it will just say 'boggle' but not anything else 15:45:29 ok. how does the high score screen work? 15:45:37 <|amethyst> that's given by boggle itself :) 15:46:00 oh wait. were all the usernames "crawl"? 15:46:08 in the HS list? 15:46:09 <|amethyst> probably, yes :) 15:46:15 ah ok. faulty memory 15:46:24 -!- ChongLi has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:46:42 Ty |amethyst 15:46:45 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47:43 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:47:55 <|amethyst> johnstein: oh, right 15:48:16 <|amethyst> johnstein: I did write small wrapper scripts for them 15:48:51 <|amethyst> johnstein: the ATC one to select a game or scores, to pass in the username (by setting the LOGNAME environment variable), and to do "press any key to exit" 15:49:06 <|amethyst> johnstein: boggle just to set LOGNAME and do "Press any key to exit" 15:49:29 <|amethyst> oh, also stty susp ^- so ctrl-z doesn't try to suspend the program (that screws up badly) 15:50:16 <|amethyst> rfk is just run directly without a wrapper script, though 15:50:26 someone asked about putting DF on there so you could watch people playing. twitch seems like a far better approach :p 15:50:40 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:41 <|amethyst> DF doesn't have a console mode does it? 15:50:47 it does 15:50:56 set mode = TEXT 15:51:09 I have it on my VPS 15:51:19 I can log in via iPhone ssh and play 15:51:28 <|amethyst> oh, neat 15:51:28 it's a bit ridiculous 15:51:38 <|amethyst> managing saves and so on might be a bit of a pain 15:51:43 the issue with DF and dgamelaunch seems to be 15:51:45 yea that 15:51:48 <|amethyst> since everything runs with the same user 15:51:53 exactly 15:52:05 but might be ok for a small group 15:52:07 <|amethyst> you need a way, as we do with crawl, to pass in the save directory (or file) to use 15:52:16 <|amethyst> and have a different one for each user 15:52:36 I'll just clone the df_linux directory :p 15:52:37 <|amethyst> which might be a bit difficult when you can't modify the program 15:52:52 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:53 each user has their own copy to work with 15:52:59 <|amethyst> an entire copy of df for each user might be kind of huge :) 15:52:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 15:53:01 sounds perfectly scalable 15:53:05 :) 15:53:29 cron job to delete them every night if they aren't being used 15:53:38 cept for the saves directory 15:53:47 absolutely horrible solution 15:53:54 but maybe technically doable 15:54:08 env? 15:54:27 me? Ubuntu 12.04 15:54:29 might be a hack... i don't particularly recommend 15:55:02 lntree and then reify the saves dir per user? 15:55:32 lntree = symlink the DF directory? 15:56:00 that sounds interesting 15:56:11 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 15:57:50 real directories, symlink all the files 15:58:15 lntree is one way to do it, lndir, cpio, various other means to achieve it 15:58:15 cept for the save files 15:58:29 -!- falu has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:29 right, that was "reify the saves dir" 15:58:48 wipe out the symlinks in the saves dir and make copies or whatever as needed instead 15:58:51 I'm not familiar with "reify" 15:58:58 <|amethyst> "make it a thing" 15:59:01 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:59:04 ah ok 15:59:04 make it real instead of a symlink 15:59:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:59:24 that's what I was assuming. wasn't sure if it was a specific command 15:59:33 no, it's more an abstract concept 15:59:38 would be interesting to see of it works 15:59:48 I'll mess around tonight locally 16:00:07 I wonder what that would do to the server. 16:00:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:20 DF can be very CPU and/or memory intensive 16:00:30 might want to limit the population 16:00:31 <|amethyst> fortunately it's single-threaded 16:00:36 <|amethyst> so just have more cores than players :) 16:01:34 "just" :p 16:01:52 <|amethyst> memory might be a bit of an issue :) 16:01:54 -!- Sokar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:02:50 woah df has a real text mode now?? 16:02:54 that's awesome 16:03:17 <|amethyst> I hope it doesn't force latin-1 encoding :) 16:03:45 also, just saying: I will pay a bounty and/or contribute development time for someone who builds something that can replace dgamelaunch 16:03:49 because seriously 16:04:33 utf-8 16:04:39 these days someone would probably build it using vagrant. is multiple vms better than multiple copies of the game dir? 16:05:16 <|amethyst> one vm per user is fine if you're network-mounting (or at least sharing) the fs 16:05:17 I showed an irc buddy the dgamelaunch stuff and he was pretty incredulous on how much overhead there was. he helped me debug some stuff 16:05:49 I have not poked very closely, but what I saw of it did not look particularly good... 16:06:06 he probably didn't fully appreciate everything else it's doing though 16:06:49 i'm decent at Vagrant :) 16:07:04 trying to set up a parallel dev server forced me to dive in deeper to get things working. so I still don't fully understand it. but I do have a better appreciation for everything it's trying to do 16:07:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:09:53 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:23 <|amethyst> one project that would be nice is to upgrade everything to the latest dgamelaunch 16:10:44 <|amethyst> a year or more ago I told paxed (dgl author) I'd look into it, but never got the time 16:10:48 -!- frostsnow is now known as frostsnow1776 16:11:34 <|amethyst> we have several patches on top of dgamelaunch, though, and any config changes etc could require a lot of migration work on existing servers 16:11:53 -!- hufg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:11:58 <|amethyst> would still be nice to try to get it working on a test server, though 16:12:10 <|amethyst> and see which of our patches we still need and which can be dropped 16:12:56 <|amethyst> I'm still working on that "server devteam" proposal 16:13:00 <|amethyst> as I get time 16:14:22 -!- frostsnow1776 is now known as frostsnow 16:15:51 some kind of... ops... dev? 16:16:34 |amethyst: I'm probly mostly useless, but I'm definitely interested in the server dev team idea 16:16:53 dcss devops sounds like something that devops borat should have an opinion on :p 16:17:12 i could actually use a hobby that has me doing more ops-y stuff 16:17:31 crawl of duty: dev ops 16:17:45 my tech skills are atrophying r/n :( 16:17:55 OpDe 16:18:45 I kinda feel like that, went from sysadmin to a sort of walking encyclopedia for one particular poroduct I used to sysadmin. although they're starting to bring me in as an actual admin for it again 16:18:58 but I still don't sysadmin much any more :( 16:19:18 geekosaur: my progression is worse... web developer -> sales engineer -> developer evangelist (i.e., marketing) 16:19:28 ouch 16:21:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:35 Bloaxor & roctavian: did you guys want to claim some dragons 16:21:56 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/Termigargoyle2.png I'm not all that good at big things. 16:22:10 i dunno man that looks sweet 16:22:13 currently there are, let's see 16:22:14 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:22:20 yeah, that looks great 16:22:25 well this isn't a big thing 16:22:38 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/HydraGreen.png this is though 16:23:37 the issue with the latter is flatness behind the head, plus the light sourcing stuff on the lower stomach is kinda distracting 16:25:46 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:33 lessee, dragons: Swamp Fire Ice Pearl Storm Golden Shadow Iron (Quicksilver) 16:26:40 did i miss any? 16:27:24 ...i think that's it, for the big dragons 16:27:51 ...do the tiles accurately represent size differences? like, i imagine steam dragons are smaller, but are mottled? 16:28:03 i've never looked into it 16:28:40 i think mottled are small, yes 16:28:44 mottled dragon (13D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 15, 6 | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire, 03poison, 04napalm | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 155 | Sp: sticky flame splash (3d4) | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 16:28:44 %??mottled dragon 16:28:52 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 16:28:52 %??fire dragon 16:29:05 "small" being relative here 16:29:13 yeah 16:29:25 fire drake (05l) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-47 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(24), 05fire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 342 | Sp: b.flame (3d12) | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 16:29:25 %??fire drake 16:29:38 steam dragon (02D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 21-40 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 12, 6 | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(16), steam | XP: 183 | Sp: steam ball (3d10) | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 16:29:38 %??steam dragon 16:30:00 ah, big and large 16:30:04 the rock and stone of sizes 16:31:19 yes 16:31:46 large < big < huge < giant because those totally aren't all synonyms 16:32:51 Smith/fire god by pubby 16:32:51 [23:23:47] the issue with the latter is flatness behind the head, plus the light sourcing stuff on the lower stomach is kinda distracting 16:32:51 still better than d&d sizes 16:32:51 90's chrome syndrome 16:32:51 quicksilver dragon (11D) | Spd: 15 | HD: 16 | HP: 67-107 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 25, 20 | see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(149), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2543 | Sp: b.quicksilver (3d20) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 16:32:51 %??Quicksilver dragon 16:32:54 featuring distinctions like "fine" vs "diminutive" 16:33:31 ontoclasm: They might be synonyms. 16:33:42 But they all have different 'powers'. 16:34:03 Except "big" and "large". 16:34:05 incoming anti-dith god? >.> 16:34:48 in any case, i imagine the upper-tier dragons having more details and being a better fit for either of you guys 16:35:55 Smith/fire god by pubby 16:35:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:22 well, i'll do whichever ones you guys don't want to 16:37:16 i'll take on swamp and ice, then 16:37:59 Swamp (Roc) Fire Ice (Roc) Pearl Storm Golden Shadow Iron 16:38:10 btw, i've always felt like something is off with the hobgoblin tile 16:38:14 and i realized it has no shadow 16:38:24 hah 16:38:24 the low-tier enemies generally need a makeover 16:38:30 (touching up a few shallow floor enemies) 16:38:56 Newts, geckoes, iguanas, goblins, fishes. 16:39:04 i did a bit of hue/value adjustment on hobs and gobs, and i am redoing necrophages and roaches 16:39:30 i think goblins are fine in shape but they just needed small tweaks 16:39:54 they look dated 16:41:40 also are we doing 32x32 or 32x48 16:41:47 because 32x48 would be nice 16:42:01 (and then we could make dragons be less of a joke) 16:42:27 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:38 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:16 03Keskitalo02 07* 0.14-a0-2742-gb4d244a: Adjust ice cave depths to the dungeon structure changes. 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 22+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4d244a369ed 16:43:16 03Keskitalo02 07* 0.14-a0-2743-g66479bb: Use the new ice block tiles in ice cave entries. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66479bb17046 16:43:18 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:43:18 make dragons take up two spaces and only one is vulnerable 16:43:52 i don't think 32x48 for dragons is necessary 16:44:11 well they're just like 16:44:17 technically the biggest monsters in the game 16:44:29 not by a long shot 16:44:36 i think hill giants are bigger 16:44:39 hill giant (04C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 43-76 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(44), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 657 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:44:39 %??hill giant 16:44:42 yeah 16:44:56 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 16:44:56 %??Fire dragon 16:45:05 huge is bigger than giant 16:45:18 is it? i thought the reverse 16:45:18 for whatever reason 16:45:27 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 86-135 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(186), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 2589 | Sp: b.lightning (3d24), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 16:45:27 %??Titan 16:45:36 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 133 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 17, 2007(trample) | 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(177), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3799 | Sp: b.flame (3d38) | Sz: Huge | Int: normal. 16:45:36 %??xtahua 16:45:41 (while we're on it, i will fight you guys if you ever try to change giant tiles, i like denzi's) 16:45:49 xD 16:45:59 i want to change them only in making them not have noodle arms 16:45:59 once i actually get good 16:46:00 03Keskitalo02 07* 0.14-a0-2742-gb4d244a: Adjust ice cave depths to the dungeon structure changes. 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 22+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4d244a369ed 16:46:00 03Keskitalo02 07* 0.14-a0-2743-g66479bb: Use the new ice block tiles in ice cave entries. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66479bb17046 16:46:04 i'm gonna make them huge 16:46:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:46:12 and you're gonna like it 16:46:16 (or i'll cut your throat or something) 16:46:18 mmm we'll see 16:46:32 frost giants in particular have arms that just like... curves 16:46:40 no elbows at all 16:46:48 elbows are 16:46:49 crawl needs to keep at least a few janky tiles, for fun 16:46:49 difficult 16:46:52 in 32x32 16:46:54 like ogres and giants 16:47:55 regardless, i think 32x48 tiles should be reserved for really important things 16:48:17 if every random swamp dragon is 32x48 than it's not special when cerebov is 16:48:35 fr 32x48 orb guardians :P 16:48:39 xtahua at least should be 16:48:41 er 16:48:47 XTAHUA AT LEAST SHOULD BE 16:48:49 well maybe if dragons weren't such pansies 16:48:56 which they are 16:48:59 hah, i guess xtahua could be 16:49:05 vault warden (04@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 66-110 | AC/EV: 1/13 | Dam: 36 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1690 | Sp: seal doors | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 16:49:05 %??Vault warden 16:49:08 iron dragon (10D) | Spd: 8 | HD: 18 | HP: 103-132 | AC/EV: 20/6 | Dam: 25, 25, 2507(trample) | see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1717 | Sp: metal splinters (3d30) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 16:49:08 %??Iron dragon 16:49:18 !lg * br=ice_cave ckiller=ice_dragon 16:49:19 No games for * (br=ice_cave ckiller=ice_dragon). 16:49:23 !lg * br=icecave ckiller=ice_dragon 16:49:23 No games for * (br=icecave ckiller=ice_dragon). 16:49:29 place 16:49:32 !lg * icecv ckiller='ice dragon' 16:49:33 427. hurdos the Thaumaturge (L11 HuNe of Ashenzari), slain by an ice dragon in IceCv (ice_cave_small_dragons) on 2014-02-21 10:28:01, with 7981 points after 6751 turns and 1:20:37. 16:49:36 a lot 16:49:44 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:49:48 !lg * map~~cave ckiller='ice dragon' 16:49:49 506. hurdos the Thaumaturge (L11 HuNe of Ashenzari), slain by an ice dragon in IceCv (ice_cave_small_dragons) on 2014-02-21 10:28:01, with 7981 points after 6751 turns and 1:20:37. 16:50:05 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:35 they're only wimpy in the context of their placement, really 16:50:57 the lair entry with a fire dragon is terrifying 16:51:10 not like one can just copy brogue's style of dragons or whatever solely due to wanting one given fantasy concept to be scarier than the other 16:51:14 the lair end with a fire dragon is nice 16:51:20 (there are two) 16:51:35 I mean, 16:51:38