00:02:08 MarvinPA: that message really should have a "when you could land on" or something... 00:02:12 yeah 00:02:25 or "near" 00:03:00 well that message is built in a really awful way 00:03:18 because it reuses the "really walk on" code and just drops in a different wording 00:03:24 which for walking is rather deterministic 00:06:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2431-g1d11b85 (34) 00:06:58 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2431-g1d11b85 (34) 00:21:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:21:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:25:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:34 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:05 -!- yuastnav has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:33:51 -!- Slowpoke_Man has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:07 -!- F-Glex has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:20 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:37:30 -!- Slowpoke_Man is now known as BlastHardcheese 00:38:43 -!- Kalir has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:44 -!- radinms has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:44 -!- nixor has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:45 -!- MP2E has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:46 -!- Voker57 has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:46 -!- MakMorn has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:46 -!- Nivimer has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:47 -!- G-Flex has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:47 -!- ekix_ has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:48 -!- ldlework has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:48 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:48 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:49 -!- minmay has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:49 -!- minqmay has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:49 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:49 -!- kryft has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:50 -!- crate has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:51 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 00:38:51 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 00:39:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:39:14 -!- ldlework- is now known as ldlework 00:39:21 could someone change change the function signature from bool curare_actor(actor* target, actor* source, string name, string source_name) to bool curare_actor(actor* source, actor* target, string name, string source_name) and change beam.h to match? 00:39:28 right now curare is being applied to the source 00:40:05 (you could also change the invocations but this way the order is consistent with the order of _curare_hits_monster) 00:40:17 wow 00:40:30 yes, it's my fault 00:40:40 this is what happens when you try to simplify crawl code 00:41:13 don't mess with snakes 00:41:21 SamB: Are you doing this? 00:41:25 heh, so if you hit with it, it curare's you? 00:41:32 *curares 00:41:49 [01:28:08] YO GUYS. Someone shot a curare needle both at a goblin and an orc, but he wound up being curared instead 00:41:58 Medar: no 00:42:00 oh 00:42:14 yeah that...needs fixing pronto 00:42:14 I am trying to relax before bed ... 00:42:17 also Sonja should curare herself right now 00:42:20 I'll do it 00:42:21 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:40 -!- Nivimer has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:35 thanks! 00:47:33 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:47:41 I guess trigger a rebuild as well... 00:48:04 -!- Nivimer is now known as Nivim 00:48:30 nah, it's no critical 00:48:43 *not 00:48:50 -!- UnknownUser has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:49:40 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:50:13 Might as well, that's not much work 00:50:17 If my local build ever finishes 00:52:50 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2432-g6b3afca: Fix curare source and target being switched. (wheals) 10(9 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b3afca1b37b 00:54:34 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:57 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:55:07 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2432-g6b3afca (34) 01:00:50 -!- UnknownUser is now known as Guest4512 01:02:54 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:30 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:44 ontoclasm1: looks like my summon roctavian incantation worked <_< 01:08:02 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:59 -!- buppy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15:13 -!- Staplegun is now known as sgun 01:23:22 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:27:30 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:05 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:31:48 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:01 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Client Quit] 01:36:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:39:25 Raphael Langella in here? 01:46:16 -!- nixor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:54:16 -!- whig has quit [] 02:10:44 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:59 i've returned to help clear out the tile backlog 02:16:03 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:41 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2432-g6b3afca (34) 02:18:08 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:21:30 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:22:15 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30:43 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:33:04 -!- Insomniak has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:31 roctavian: you are our saviour! 02:48:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 02:48:46 -!- Sage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:04 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:51:36 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:59:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00:35 -!- Sage has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:18 gammafunk: I was able to get my ring of protection to be a +1 by using item.plus. but I'm not sure how to also make a +1 ring of str 03:03:04 well you know, as I was typing out my question, I thought of a couple other things to try 03:03:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:09:07 -!- kait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:32 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:19:59 -!- radinms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:28:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:38:53 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:39:55 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 03:43:10 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:49 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:45 -!- sicklyorphan420b has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:49:36 -!- Soadrem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:54:49 -!- Bodrick_ is now known as Bodrick 03:57:20 -!- meat has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:39 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:04:53 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:06:06 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 04:09:38 -!- Dracia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:14:40 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:11 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:23:46 red draconian scorcher (04d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-89 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(42), 05fire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1737 | Sp: fire breath (3d20), b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), 04esc:hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 04:23:46 <|amethyst> %??red draconian scorcher 04:23:50 grey draconian scorcher (04d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-89 | AC/EV: 15/12 | Dam: 15, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(42) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1737 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), sticky flame range (3d6), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), 04esc:hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 04:23:50 <|amethyst> %??grey draconian scorcher 04:23:53 <|amethyst> Grunt: thanks 04:24:48 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2432-g6b3afca (34) 04:27:56 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2432-g6b3afca (34) 04:29:32 -!- Sage has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:29:46 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2432-g6b3afca (34) 04:30:42 shot a spiny worm with curare and it affected me by Sphara 04:30:49 johnstein: care to give me rebuild rights on cbro? 04:32:01 %git 04:33:19 07Medar02 * 0.14-a0-2432-g6b3afca: Fix curare source and target being switched. 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10:49:30 "ans" should be "and" 10:50:13 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:55:13 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:00:27 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 11:01:08 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2433-g4669791: Avoid sending extra go_lobby message to the server 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4669791123eb 11:01:08 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2434-gcb2a55a: Fix two typos in the changelog (alefury) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb2a55af3dc9 11:01:16 Thanks 11:04:27 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2434-gcb2a55a (34) 11:06:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:16:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18:32 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2435-gd1821b3: Natasha tile (roctavian, #8087). 10(12 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1821b33a73c 11:18:32 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2436-g94aeabd: Salamander enemy tiles (roctavian, #8097). 10(2 minutes ago, 6 files, 15+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94aeabdc11f5 11:20:50 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:05 Hi ontoclasm; I hope I'm not stepping on your toes too much by pushing those tiles <_< 11:21:15 huh? no, of course not 11:21:43 * Grunt wanders off to push 5000 badtiles... 11:21:51 (no, I'm not going to do that :b) 11:22:04 d'aww, kitty 11:22:15 she has boris's sphere thing <3 11:22:18 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:11 she seems looking for her owner 11:23:11 Bloax: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:23:15 !messages 11:23:15 (1/2) dpeg said (2w 6d 18h 18m 7s ago): We really need to discuss shop prices. It's urgent! 11:23:18 !messages 11:23:18 (1/1) gammafunk said (14h 20m 2s ago): Do you like drawing cats more than people? 11:24:07 ...too late on that last one >_> 11:24:31 i wonder if the former is still urgent! 11:24:53 very 11:32:15 cattes 11:32:21 shoppes 11:32:29 Ye Olde Catte Shoppe? 11:32:56 mmm 11:33:08 fr Cat Sh- oh wait 11:33:31 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:37:47 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 11:38:55 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2437-g45efeda: Halve base Dith piety gain from kills. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=45efeda4196e 11:46:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:46:10 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:16 -!- greensna2k has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:16 -!- TZer0 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:16 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:17 -!- bhaak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:17 -!- Medar has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:18 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:18 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:18 -!- Lantell has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:18 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:18 -!- denstark has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:20 -!- wHATEver is now known as Guest45202 11:46:23 -!- Sequell has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:47:55 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:36 -!- greensna1k has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:42 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:21 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:49:21 -!- rast- is now known as rast 11:53:30 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:59:48 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00:43 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:53 -!- pythonsnake is now known as Guest93763 12:01:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:14 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:26 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:06:07 -!- Turgor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:08 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:11:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:12:46 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:56 -!- qui has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:18:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:25 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28:41 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2438-g9e330ec: Magically-penetrating projectiles pierce through shields. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 32+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e330ec8406e 12:29:23 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35:27 -!- necKro_ is now known as necKro 12:38:13 -!- CyberSandwich has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:29 fr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilum 13:04:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:08 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:21 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07:27 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:07:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:11 -!- CyberSandwich has quit [Quit: CyberSandwich] 13:10:18 -!- xnavy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:45 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:15:00 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:17:27 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:11 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 13:26:08 wow this failure rate change is not something i approve of 13:26:21 and i wasn't aware of the discussion existing else i'd have this voiced earlier too 13:27:05 you need a much better failure rate than 99% to even consider using the spell 13:27:30 so the phase from 100% to the point where you feel comfortable using it is, in my opinion, plenty sufficient preparation 13:28:08 not to mention how crowded those not-rounded yet very huge numbers make the overview visually (you can no longer just look for the 100 instead need to parse other information) 13:28:54 of course at least it's not in the menu i usually go to, but... 13:30:36 and being able to memorize spells with 100% failure chance also sounds like an idea that should not happen, seeing how it was tossed into something 13:31:10 right now learning spells to train schools is the "workaround" that requires you to use resources, like spell levels and amnesia 13:32:00 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:32:47 -!- Sage has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:39 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:14 -!- Turgor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:35:11 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:47 -!- Ataraxzy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:42:41 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:43:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:40 ChrisOelmueller: "seeing how it was tossed into something" ? 13:45:53 the tavern thread iirc 13:46:31 you still can't right now though 13:46:43 that's why i hope it stays this way 13:46:58 (unless it's being offered by veh) 13:53:00 It seems that M_FIGHTER should be set on the following uniques: Asterion, DD Berserker, Frances, Rupert 13:53:03 -!- kryft_ is now known as kryft 13:53:04 er an one monster 13:53:09 Anyone disagree? 13:53:17 If people are afraid that digging will end up being used everywhere and 13:53:17 all the time, then there will be ways to address this. 13:53:23 gammafunk: why? 13:53:27 like, not giving infinite dig? 13:53:34 that sounds like a pretty good way imo... 13:53:55 elliptic: Well in asterion's case, his spectral weapon is getting made at half hd, and it's not connecting much 13:54:05 But in general those monsters are all heavy melee monsters 13:54:14 does anyone know what the flag does 13:54:35 ??fighter 13:54:36 fighter[1/3]: Growing up, this fellow spent all his time on the training field, not in the magic library. Generally starts with: light weapon, scale mail, shield, bonus hp and str. 13:54:37 ??fighter[$ 13:54:37 fighter[3/3]: Also a monster flag that increases the accuracy of attacks. Monsters with this flag add their HD to melee to-hit (25*hd/10 versus 15*hd/10 for most monsters). They also get 20% extra damage and to-hit to ranged attacks. 13:54:38 I don't know anything about asterion balance, but in general "heavy melee monster" isn't a reason to give a flag that makes the monster significantly stronger 13:54:47 One thing is affects is monster spectral (very obscure) but one general thing it does is report weapon skill at half hd instead of full hd 13:55:07 ChrisOelmueller: can we at least agree that the book search screen should show the colour that's shown on M and I screen 13:55:31 i'd be happy already if those were the same (are they) (yes) 13:55:58 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:04 -!- somethinggreen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:04 i guess the I screen doesn't have the colour either 13:56:31 that statistic in fighter[3 doesn't look accurate 13:56:38 i have a feeling that display code is probably worse than beam code 13:59:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:59:56 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2439-g44befe3: Set natural_leader for Vashnia's band. 10(53 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44befe3f36c5 14:00:46 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:18 tracking down what this flag does is fun... 14:03:31 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:04:10 ??fighter[3 14:04:13 ...oh 14:04:18 gammafunk: fighter[3] is accurate. 14:04:21 sequell's lagged 14:05:03 fighter[3/3]: Also a monster flag that increases the accuracy of attacks. Monsters with this flag add their HD to melee to-hit (25*hd/10 versus 15*hd/10 for most monsters). They also get 20% extra damage and to-hit to ranged attacks. 14:05:20 Grunt: I see the skill function, but I'm trying to see how all it affects everything 14:05:29 It's also special cased in some mon-beh code... 14:05:51 and with the tendril mutation of all things 14:06:11 gammafunk: look for is_fighter too 14:06:19 ty 14:10:01 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:11:13 basically in my play tests with a mid-level 20 ac/20ev char the spectre rarely is able to hit, hence has little impact. Not halving the spectres HD for non-fighters might be a better solution that setting M_FIGHTER 14:11:24 since asterion's damage output is certainly fine 14:11:32 he is the only thing with it 14:11:42 yes, currently at least 14:11:49 I've had a few ideas for other enemies using spectral weapon, but nothing particularly definite yet. 14:12:17 Well basically it's just that monster spectral needs some balancing; perhaps that specter hd change is enough though 14:12:44 not to mention the BEH_* problems it has, but I'm working on a patch for that 14:13:52 IMO make it more than HD for a fighter, but we'll need to see if we have any enemies using it who have the fighter flag first <_< 14:14:06 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 14:14:20 why does the fighter flag even increase damage 14:14:35 Fighters gonna fight.... 14:14:45 i can understand the effect on accuracy at least, since you dont always want to bump HD 14:14:53 The fighter flag doesn't increase *damage*; I think it just impacts to-hit. 14:15:04 "They also get 20% extra damage and to-hit to ranged attacks." 14:15:08 so is that entry wrong? 14:15:19 ... 14:15:23 It's true of ranged attacks only, apparently. 14:15:29 That's... really weird. 14:15:29 ??ranged_code 14:15:29 I don't have a page labeled ranged_code in my learndb. 14:15:30 oh it's extra damage to ranged, i dunno why I read melee 14:15:39 so isn't it basically just like a hd increase 14:15:43 throw.cc:2428 14:15:46 since that increases acc and ranged but not dam 14:15:51 "// Skilled fighters get better to-hit and damage." 14:15:55 wheals: HD is a catchall stat which affects a million things 14:16:05 yeah, other things too 14:16:18 just thinking of a way to remember what it does 14:16:28 so the fighter flag is like saying, "make this monster more accurate but dont buff everything else it does" 14:16:46 ...and 14:17:12 !function _mon_tries_regain_los 14:17:13 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-behv.cc;hb=HEAD#l87 14:17:20 does that just for fun 14:28:09 -!- Sydolfas has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:29:41 -!- eith|3 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:45 -!- eith|4 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:43 -!- Giomancer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:26 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:32:11 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2440-g99f7917: Make failure_rate_to_int return more sane values. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99f7917a84f5 14:32:12 -!- eith|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:36:03 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:38:29 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 14:40:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:10 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:45:08 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:26 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:50:33 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:28 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:15 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:20 -!- not_detrius has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:55:45 Surr (L27 DsAs) (Shoals:5) 14:56:52 !crashlog Surr 14:56:52 59. Surr, XL27 DsAs, T:51674 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Surr/crash-Surr-20140204-205546.txt 15:02:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:07:20 bmfx (L27 GrCj) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1419: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Pan) 15:08:26 You kill Duvessa! 15:08:28 You hear a distant wail of despair. 15:08:43 Dowan's actually only about 6 squares away, just around the corner 15:08:52 it should be "nearby wail of despair" 15:16:53 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:28 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2441-g9bc3f90: Allow specifying Serpent of Hell subtype in spec again. 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 26+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bc3f90c7b04 15:22:28 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2442-gffe09b4: Fixup a couple of SoH inconsistencies in mon-info. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffe09b40666d 15:23:22 yes 15:23:22 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:23:22 good commit 15:23:22 I've been meaning to do that for ages. 15:23:32 thanks! 15:25:51 now we just need to bug |someone to rebuild monster's crawl 15:26:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:31:20 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:38 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:08 -!- stabwound has quit [Changing host] 15:32:08 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:33 Serpent of Code Hell 15:32:42 -!- HDA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:48 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:35:34 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:59 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:30 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:43:35 -!- phalanx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:48:24 -!- redmoss has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:05 -!- Guest93763 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:50:38 -!- pythonsnake is now known as Guest91792 15:50:59 -!- Guest91792 has quit [Client Quit] 15:54:11 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:24 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:01:07 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:02:09 Serpent of Hell (12D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6185 | Sp: refrigeration, cold breath (3d40) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:02:09 <|amethyst> %??serpent of hell coc 16:02:13 Serpent of Hell (14D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6185 | Sp: b.draining (3d27), miasma breath (3d15) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:02:13 <|amethyst> %??serpent of hell tar 16:02:15 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:02:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: thanks! 16:03:19 <3 16:03:53 unknown monster: "serpent of hell vestibule" 16:03:53 %??serpent of hell vestibule 16:03:55 fr 16:04:09 Serpent of Hell (03&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 300 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 35(reach) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4427 | Sp: sum.hell beast | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:04:09 %??geryon name:Serpent_of_Hell n_rpl 16:04:12 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 16:04:50 Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7390 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), fire breath (3d40) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:04:50 <|amethyst> %??serpent of hell geheimlich 16:04:54 Serpent of Hell (14D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6185 | Sp: b.draining (3d27), miasma breath (3d15) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:04:54 <|amethyst> %??serpent of hell tartakower 16:05:02 Serpent of Hell (12D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6185 | Sp: refrigeration, cold breath (3d40) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:05:02 <|amethyst> %??serpent of hell cocworms 16:05:10 |amethyst: yes, I borrowed the thing allowing that from the old soh_flavour code <_< 16:05:13 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:05:16 I decided to leave it alone. 16:05:20 <|amethyst> seems fine 16:05:21 It amuses me. <3 16:05:30 Serpent of Hell (10D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 102-141 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6184 | Sp: metal splinters (3d32), b.quicksilver (3d20) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:05:30 <|amethyst> %??serpent of hell dispenser 16:05:46 I like the tartakower one. 16:07:41 !killratio serpent_of_hell 16:07:44 serpent_of_hell wins 100.0% of battles. 16:07:56 !killratio "serpent of hell" 16:07:57 ERR (ERR (Subcommand $(!lg of hell" ikiller="serpent fmt:"${n}" stub:"0") failed: Broken query near '" ikiller="serpent fmt:"${n}" stub:"0"') in $(= ${ratio} NaN)) in $(if $(= ${ratio} NaN) No ba... 16:08:02 dang 16:08:11 !killratio the_serpent_of_hell 16:08:12 the_serpent_of_hell wins 0.400% of battles. 16:08:17 DANG 16:08:34 !lg * ikiller~~serpent_of_hell s=ikiller 16:08:35 33 games for * (ikiller~~serpent_of_hell): 17x a Serpent of Hell, 16x the Serpent of Hell 16:08:54 !lg * ikiller=a_serpent_of_hell 16:08:56 17. Arafel the Evocator (L27 DsNe), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, blasted by a Serpent of Hell (blast of hellfire) on Geh:7 (geh_mu) on 2011-02-11 17:58:14, with 704844 points after 136851 turns and 18:07:05. 16:08:59 !lg * ikiller=the_serpent_of_hell 16:09:00 16. slitherrr the Minotaur Porcupine (L27 MiFi), worshipper of Makhleb, blasted by the Serpent of Hell (blast of hellfire) on Geh:7 (geh_old) on 2013-12-05 02:26:46, with 1016642 points after 90749 turns and 9:51:23. 16:09:15 !send gammafunk the hellephant shaped Serpent of Hell 16:09:15 Sending the hellephant shaped Serpent of Hell to gammafunk. 16:09:56 * gammafunk gammafunk draws a card. It is Crusdade. The hellephant shaped Serpent of Hell is charmed! 16:10:00 oops 16:10:07 gammafunk (x2) 16:10:17 ??xom reasons[$ 16:10:17 xom reasons[7/7]: You hear Xom's avaricous chuckle. Antaeus is charmed. 16:10:49 Antaeus says, "I like you, SGrunt." 16:13:30 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:15:17 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:59 sounds like the beginning of a great friendship. 16:17:07 road trip to Pandemonium 16:17:22 1fight Antaeus v Cerebov 16:17:59 Antaeus says, "Never going to let you down." Antaeus is no longer charmed! Antaeus hits you! 16:18:02 You die... 16:18:02 Save macros? 16:20:07 back in my day serpents of hell only came in one flavour, and it wasn't even a unique one 16:20:17 ...although i'm not sure anyone ever saw more than 2 in a single game 16:20:27 !lm * uniq=Serpent_of_Hell s=gid 16:20:28 No milestones for * (uniq=Serpent_of_Hell). 16:20:31 !lm * uniq=~Serpent_of_Hell s=gid 16:20:36 3985 milestones for * (uniq=~Serpent_of_Hell): 2x AdeonTwo:cdo:20100823195348S, 2x jeanjacques:cdo:20120207132421S, 2x oblong:cdo:20110902221605S, 2x AlphaQ:cao:20111104205150S, Kautzman:cszo:20120922061254S, mursu:cdo:20120304085350S, Sky:cszo:20130505001901S, MoogleDan:cszo:20130813212855S, Yunor:cao:20110527050613S, dashcunning:cdo:20111019235634S, Sphara:clan:20130931060052S, Totes:cszo:201209... 16:21:02 %git :/serpent 16:21:02 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2441-g9bc3f90: Allow specifying Serpent of Hell subtype in spec again. 10(69 minutes ago, 2 files, 26+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bc3f90c7b04 16:21:28 Was the serpent buffed recently? 16:21:30 i'm surprised sequell even tracked that, it originally wasnt a unique, just a weird vault-only monster 16:21:31 No. 16:21:45 Why do those spells it has seem new to me... 16:22:04 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:04 It seems to constitute little threat anyhow 16:22:16 The only relatively recent change to him was the Coc wyrm getting Refrigeration, and that happened soon after Fannar came into existence. 16:22:40 mmm 16:22:43 the miasma serpent can be gross if you arent in lichform 16:22:46 Maybe it should breed explosively? 16:22:57 to be fair, there was a while when said refridge would do about 3d7 instead of 3d20 16:22:57 tenofswords: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:22:58 ....explosively, huh 16:23:00 27 Serpents of Hell come into view. 16:23:06 Hell wyrm mass 16:23:12 huh, does it actually have an HP range? 16:23:13 fr bring back TRAN_SERPENT_OF_HELL 16:23:16 make it fatst, it's a serpent 16:23:17 Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7390 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), fire breath (3d40) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:23:17 %??serpent of hell 16:23:19 it might be the only unique with random HP in that case 16:23:20 o_O 16:23:22 A disgusting pile of wyrms, writhing on the dungeon floor. 16:23:26 faster 16:23:28 Serpent of Hell (10D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 102-141 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6184 | Sp: metal splinters (3d32), b.quicksilver (3d20) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:23:28 %??serpent of hell dis 16:23:36 ...weird 16:24:21 Serpent of Hell (12D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 20 | HP: 98-142 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 35, 15, 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(186), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6185 | Sp: flash freeze (3d27) | Sz: Huge | Int: high. 16:24:21 %??serpent of hell coc spells:flash_freeze 16:24:41 <|amethyst> evilmike: it is the only one unless you count Natasha (who isn't random but also isn't fixed) 16:24:44 Natasha (02h) | Spd: 10 (move: 80%) | HD: 3 | HP: 15 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(24) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 35 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, sum.minor demon, 04esc:mephitic cloud | Sz: little | Int: high. 16:24:44 <|amethyst> %??natasha 16:24:45 Natasha (02h) | Spd: 10 (move: 80%) | HD: 2 | HP: 10 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 13 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, sum.minor demon, 04esc:mephitic cloud | Sz: little | Int: high. 16:24:45 <|amethyst> %??natasha hd:2 16:24:45 Well, fixing the HP would be a good start on improving them further. 16:24:46 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:24:48 Natasha (02h) | Spd: 10 (move: 80%) | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 10 | 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(240) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 5363 | Sp: magic dart (3d7), slow, sum.minor demon, 04esc:mephitic cloud | Sz: little | Int: high. 16:24:48 <|amethyst> %??natasha hd:30 16:25:07 orb of natasha 16:25:26 the enchantress was the other unique with variable hp, she clearly used to be a serpent in disguise 16:25:37 is the enchantress gone, then? 16:25:46 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 85 | AC/EV: 1/32 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 13magic(immune) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 4960 | Sp: dimension anchor, slow, haste, mass confusion, strip resistance, 04esc:invisibility | Sz: little | Int: high. 16:25:46 %??the_enchantress 16:25:47 she got consistent health 16:26:01 Could not execute monster-0.8: No such file or directory 16:26:01 %0.8?the enchantress 16:26:07 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 60 | AC/EV: 1/40 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2051 | Sp: corona, sleep, haste, banishment, invisibility, 04esc:teleport self | Sz: little | Int: high. 16:26:07 <|amethyst> %0.11?the enchantress 16:26:13 the Enchantress (13i) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 35-57 | AC/EV: 1/40 | Dam: 26 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1747 | Sp: corona, sleep, haste, banishment, invisibility, teleport self | Sz: little | Int: high. 16:26:13 <|amethyst> %0.10?the enchantress 16:26:27 35 health unique on d:24 <3 16:26:42 innate dmsl I hope... 16:26:45 You blow up the Enchantress! 16:26:57 could probably kill her with immolation scrolls 16:27:07 The spriggan explodes! 16:27:15 the Enchantress (13i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 15 | Health: 35-54 | AC/EV: 1/40 | Damage: 26 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1746 | Sp: corona, sleep, haste, banishment, invisibility, teleport self. 16:27:15 <|amethyst> %0.9?the enchantress 16:27:15 (no, the *other* immolation) 16:28:33 <|amethyst> %git fdbcd416 16:28:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.7.0-a0-2455-gfdbcd41: Make monster DMsl an actual flag. 10(3 years, 8 months ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdbcd4162253 16:28:58 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:29:01 fr: M_REPEL_MISSILES 16:29:37 I remember when TeRe had innate dmsl for a while....*shudders* 16:29:51 Okawaru grants you a gift! 16:29:53 An arrow of flame. 16:30:00 <|amethyst> (that was also the first commit to use the high moby of 64-bit monster flags) 16:30:00 Use it wisely! 16:30:03 the, uh, quantity here leaves something to be deisred 16:30:03 <|amethyst> %git fdbcd416^ 16:30:04 07kilobyte02 * 0.7.0-a0-2454-gaa066d0: Make monster->flags 64 bit. 10(3 years, 8 months ago, 5 files, 51+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa066d06814d 16:30:26 Yeah, I noticed that the monster flags were 64-bit... 16:30:32 fr: M_REFLECT_MISSILES 16:30:44 * Grunt is reminded of his "crystal dragon". 16:31:11 So I guess we really don't support windows 98 me then 16:31:33 a reflect missiles monster would be silly unless it only reflected blocked missiles or something like that 16:31:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: depends on the compiler more than the OS 16:31:40 aka it's a shield of reflection 16:32:00 dancing shield of reflection 16:32:30 though if you want to go that route, i'd remove every golem except for crystal and electric golems, and make crystal golems the reflecting ones 16:32:40 |amethyst: I'm pretty ignorant here, but how does the compile deal with this for 32-bit cpus? 16:32:42 or maybe give that to crystal guardians, and remove crystal golems too 16:32:44 *compiler 16:33:03 <|amethyst> gammafunk: an int64_t is just two 32-bit values stuck together 16:33:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk: can't fit it in one register, and there might not be instructions specifically for dealing with them, but it's easy enough to generate the appropriate assembly 16:34:03 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:08 <|amethyst> gammafunk: e.g. int64_t b = a; would actually turn into two load/stores 16:34:28 You just have to be careful how you use said variable type, I'm guessing... 16:36:41 <|amethyst> well, the compiler does anyway 16:37:02 <|amethyst> and you have to be careful about some things, such as the fact that the operation is almost certainly not atomic 16:37:22 <|amethyst> then again, operations on native-sized words aren't necessarily atomic either 16:37:38 <|amethyst> and, of course, if you care about performance you have to take that into account 16:38:03 <|amethyst> most operations on non-native 64-bit numbers are going to be less than half the speed of the equivalent operations on native words 16:38:17 do i get any piety from halftone 16:38:42 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: no, piety is unchanged (except for shadowy monsters not giving piety) 16:38:53 so basically it's pointless? 16:40:13 <|amethyst> maybe? 16:40:25 <|amethyst> I don't think it would go well with the recent piety nerf 16:41:02 well you could give piety for spotting monsters too 16:41:03 The shadow thing, or something else? 16:41:11 and then 1/3 xp on spotting 1/3 on killing 16:41:13 1/3 for the bank 16:41:20 <|amethyst> Sage: the XP-for-seeing monster thing 16:41:47 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: wait, did I screw that up? 16:41:49 I'm sorry, how does that nerf piety? 16:41:55 screw up what? 16:42:05 Sage, no, the piety nerf is unrelated: 16:42:07 %git HEAD^{/piety} 16:42:08 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2437-g45efeda: Halve base Dith piety gain from kills. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 18+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=45efeda4196e 16:42:11 <|amethyst> Sage: oh, the piety nerf is something different, in trunk not halftone 16:42:12 Oh 16:42:14 hm 16:42:21 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: do you really only get 2/3? 16:42:31 i am trying to kill no monster at all 16:42:43 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: ohh 16:42:45 the above was my suggestion 16:42:50 for when spotting would give piety too 16:43:26 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: yeah, I see now, I thought that line was in response to Sage 16:43:45 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: might bring it up on C-R-D 16:43:58 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: dpeg would be happy to get a reply to that post :) 16:44:10 i am not happy about writing to c-r-d though 16:44:13 sorry :( 16:44:29 <|amethyst> you can !tell dpeg then 16:46:23 -!- Bloaxor is now known as Bloax 16:49:38 ChrisOelmueller: what's wrong with crd? 16:59:23 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:02:58 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 17:10:15 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 17:12:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:15:52 halftone should really have (fellow shadows) 17:19:30 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 17:20:28 I wonder if there's any value in Rearrange the Pieces if it was excluded from swapping the player and just swapped around monsters 17:25:11 -!- eith|3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42:02 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:47:57 -!- alex_tank has quit [] 17:48:04 -!- alextank has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:50:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:50 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:51:53 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:53:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:55:20 -!- Fortescue has quit [] 17:56:24 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:58:23 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:01:52 -!- Sage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:53 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:59 -!- Basil is now known as Sage 18:04:31 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:04 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:13:08 -!- Varren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:30 -!- fufumann has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:21:45 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:24:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:36:41 pubby (L19 FoWn) (Shoals:5) 18:36:51 ... 18:36:59 !crashlog pubby 18:37:00 7. pubby, XL19 FoWn, T:42733 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/pubby/crash-pubby-20140205-003640.txt 18:42:38 -!- Wah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:39 huh, some monster just turned staircase into a water puddle (nymph maybe?) 18:42:50 and when I went down that staircase it put me on an escape hatch 18:45:14 hustleandflow (L12 FoEE) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 70) (Lair:2) 18:45:24 !crashlog hustleandflow 18:45:24 No milestones for hustleandflow (crash). 18:46:27 a tiny thing, but 18:46:39 it'd be cool if you got a special message for stepping into a shadow's shadow 18:46:51 possibly also shadow fiends/demons 18:47:15 !crashlog hustleandflow 18:47:15 1. hustleandflow, XL12 FoEE, T:13331 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/hustleandflow/crash-hustleandflow-20140205-004513.txt 18:47:42 i suggested making all shadows neutral 18:47:53 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:07 could do that too, but you'd still be able to step to them i think 18:50:53 <|amethyst> Grunt: I can reproduce that one 18:51:01 Grunt: i just read the CRD discussion about the trunk races, and was thinking back to various discussions about dj 18:51:25 i agree they're not ready for 0.14 but maybe we could go about redsigning them for 0.15? 18:51:48 probably in an only-barely-recognizable form 18:55:41 there has been no "discussion" really 18:55:46 but i feel like VS is Dj done right 18:56:16 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:03 At the moment, I'm mulling over an interesting way to nerf VS. 19:01:18 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:30 give it perma-stasis 19:01:53 I want VS to remain fun. 19:01:57 what needs a nerf though? 19:02:08 -!- ldierk` has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:13 DD have been in a broken state for years and nobody fixes them 19:02:36 (fr) 19:02:45 Partially I want to have fun when I play Crawl again and give VS a go 19:02:56 make VS not regen health at all 19:03:00 and theother bit is to make them more distinct 19:03:02 and rename them Vine Dwarves 19:03:15 since a few people have suggested that that's a weak point 19:03:33 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:03:37 Species do not need to be a pile of gimmicks. 19:03:52 A bit of differentiation is a good thing; too much isn't. 19:03:56 <|amethyst> If a species has a gimmick, people will complain that it's gimmicky 19:03:59 mmm 19:04:10 <|amethyst> If it doesn't, or even if it does, people will complain that it's not gimmicky enough 19:04:18 Fair enough 19:05:10 VS seem plenty distinct 19:05:26 I'll keep it on the backburner until something Radical and Awesome comes to mind 19:06:12 that said, depending on current and future feedback, I might reduce VS bite by a couple points or thereabouts 19:06:14 at xl 27 19:06:57 hopefully the latter faction is a bit less verbose now 19:07:02 maybe we can keep at that 19:07:21 Which latter faction? 19:07:25 Not enough gimmicks? 19:07:28 yes 19:08:05 people still complain about Ha and Ko a lot 19:08:21 well the main dj idea i heard was to basically drop all their gimmicks except EP 19:08:32 yes, and EP is what VS does 19:08:32 Lightli: random answer 19:08:38 except without introducing all the bad stuff about it 19:08:39 Well, EP comes witha lot ofbaggage 19:08:42 like cball 19:09:05 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:10:11 mm, maybe just make itso cball, moths et al do nothing to them 19:10:48 -!- Sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:13:03 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:08 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:31 -!- zero_one has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:04 Medar: "Done, Medar is now a DGL admin [on CBRO]" 19:17:43 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2443-g5aee772: Don't crash when cycling features near the map edge with LRD. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5aee7720d2cc 19:18:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:28 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:41 -!- alefury|2 has quit [] 19:24:35 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:24:38 Any evidence on how VS plays in extended. Having access to anti-magic bit + weapon brand worried me 19:24:57 But the no-sources-of-heal thing might mitigate that enough 19:25:14 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:25:17 I suppose if they're not overpowered in Zot, not need to really worry further than that 19:25:28 !lg * --vs place=zot 19:25:28 No keyword '--vs' 19:25:34 !lg * vs-- place=zot 19:25:34 No games for * (vs-- place=zot). 19:25:45 !lg * vs zot 19:25:46 No games for * (vs zot). 19:25:48 !lg * VS-- place=zot 19:25:48 No games for * (VS-- place=zot). 19:25:54 !lm * VS-- place=zot 19:25:55 105. [2014-02-04 23:29:06] PleasingFungus the Executioner (L27 VSWn) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 19:25:58 !lg * vs s=place 19:25:58 2250 games for * (vs): 481x D:1, 403x D:3, 395x D:2, 288x D:4, 121x D:5, 78x D:6, 72x D:$, 46x D:8, 42x D:7, 27x D:9, 26x Abyss:1, 25x D:10, 20x Sewer, 17x D:11, 15x Lair:1, 12x Bailey, 10x Orc:4, 9x Lair:2, 7x Lair:8, 7x Lair:3, 7x Elf:3, 7x Lair:4, 7x Ossuary, 7x IceCv, 7x D:13, 6x Vaults:5, 5x Shoals:1, 5x Lair:5, 5x D:12, 5x Lab, 5x D:14, 4x D:16, 4x Volcano, 4x Shoals:2, 4x Orc:3, 4x Shoals:5... 19:26:01 !lg * vs s=br 19:26:02 2250 games for * (vs): 2017x D, 53x Lair, 28x Abyss, 20x Sewer, 19x Orc, 13x Shoals, 13x Vaults, 12x Bailey, 11x Depths, 10x Spider, 10x Swamp, 7x Elf, 7x IceCv, 7x Ossuary, 6x Snake, 5x Lab, 4x Volcano, 3x Temple, 2x Forest, 2x Slime, Coc 19:26:07 !lg * vs coc 19:26:08 1. bart the Sensei (L27 VSMo), worshipper of Ashenzari, drowned on Coc:7 (coc_mu) on 2014-02-02 13:10:46, with 1134992 points after 49930 turns and 8:24:55. 19:26:11 o_O 19:26:14 heh 19:26:15 !lg * vs coc -tv 19:26:15