00:00:04 hm 00:00:12 I just added a line to simply run crawl -version 00:00:12 <|amethyst> johnstein: so crawl is failing when run from the cron job 00:00:22 and I see this: 00:00:24 + /home/crawl/DGL/usr/games/crawl-0.13 -version 00:00:26 Webtiles require an UTF-8 locale. 00:00:28 so it's a locales thing 00:00:32 <|amethyst> ahhh 00:00:35 probably missing from my host 00:00:41 just like you implied earlier! 00:00:47 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.1-24-gd36c86d 00:00:53 and I should have known 00:01:08 since I stumbled on installing locales in the chroot on my third DGL install 00:01:10 <|amethyst> add export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 to the top of the cron script (after the #! line) 00:01:17 ty 00:01:44 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1847-gf1be033 (34) 00:02:10 <|amethyst> johnstein: what does your /etc/default/locale say? 00:02:12 such a maddeningly annoying bug 00:02:14 <|amethyst> (on the host) 00:03:48 I don't have a file called locale in /etc/default 00:05:08 <|amethyst> hm 00:05:11 <|amethyst> try running as root update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8 00:05:36 no output. 00:05:40 no errors either though 00:06:01 hm 00:06:10 <|amethyst> johnstein: does the file exist now? 00:06:13 now what does /etc/default/locale say? 00:06:20 <|amethyst> I don't know much Ubuntu, only Debian 00:06:22 ah ha 00:06:24 it does 00:06:27 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1847-gf1be033 (34) 00:06:51 I remember last summer when I was futzing around with adding a farmer class for crawl that I had to screw around with the locales for a bit too 00:06:55 but yea, it's there now 00:07:30 could #include "decks.h" be added to monster.cc and "&& !is_deck(item) " to line 2265 of same? 00:07:50 that would stop monsters from picking up decks, which they can't use 00:08:12 <|amethyst> can they use any misc items? 00:08:55 do monsters tend to pick up much they can't use, besides gold? 00:09:00 disc of storms, maybe? 00:09:29 <|amethyst> They'll pick up wands they can't/won't use 00:09:34 <|amethyst> like enslavement 00:10:12 no enslaved players? 00:10:24 they zap you with it and they become allied 00:10:39 <|amethyst> nicolae-: all the monsters become allies 00:10:48 lol 00:11:01 yes, that's much better 00:11:06 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.1-24-gd36c86d (34) 00:11:12 they won't pick up 0 charge wands 00:11:19 that seems fairly similar 00:11:46 picking up enslavment wands could make sense since it could be an information leak 00:11:56 but they can't use any decks, at all 00:12:24 <|amethyst> well, good creatures won't pick up wands of draining, so that wouldn't be much more of a leak 00:12:59 <|amethyst> and if you kill a monster and it had an unzapped wand, that's a pretty good indication that it's *something* monsters won't use 00:13:34 either way, it's annoying that they pick up misc items 00:13:38 do monsters pick up all potions/scrolls or only ones they can use? 00:13:48 G-Flex: only ones they can use 00:13:53 I thought so 00:14:04 that gives you some information, since it means a potion they have is likely to be curing/hw 00:14:08 if (!can_drink_potion(ptype)) 00:14:08 return false; 00:14:18 usually they quaff the potion anyway 00:14:39 it does leak a lot of information about early ?blink and ?tele 00:14:45 speaking of which 00:14:47 even if it does I don't see why that's a problem 00:14:48 do monsters have any criteria to zap /tele? 00:15:11 i think they zap it at you even at full health 00:15:14 Well, because if I'm spoiled and this D: 4 ko dropped a scroll I know it's ?blink. 00:15:26 but if I'm not I read it and waste it. 00:15:29 either way i see no reason for misc item pick up 00:15:40 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1847-gf1be033 (34) 00:15:47 I was thinking zapping themselves with it. 00:16:16 uh, *if I'm spoiled and have ?tele id'd 00:16:17 more like 00:16:23 <|amethyst> they'll zap tele if they have less than half HP or are caught 00:16:50 <|amethyst> 19/20 on themselves, otherwise on their foe 00:17:08 <|amethyst> (or if they are already about to tele, on their foe) 00:17:20 oh 00:17:34 caught as in nets and webs I assume? 00:17:55 <|amethyst> yes 00:19:53 -!- nicolae- has quit [] 00:22:46 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 00:26:01 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:12 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:27:41 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:38 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1847-gf1be033 00:35:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:37:19 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:35 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:50:59 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:08:00 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:10:05 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.1-24-gd36c86d 01:21:52 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:26:30 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:39 ^versions 01:26:43 ^version 01:26:43 trunk: 0.14-a0-1847-gf1be033; 0.13: 0.13.1-24-gd36c86d 01:28:56 -!- Archenteron has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:30:15 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:31:26 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:22 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:34:29 -!- change123 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:44:52 could someone test http://crawl.berotato.org 01:45:01 trying to get the auto redirect to 8080 01:45:04 to work 01:45:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:46:19 it went to http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#lobby 01:47:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:49:23 I believe that's the correct behavior 01:49:30 ty 01:49:35 ??cbro 01:49:36 cbro[1/3]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org:8080 01:49:39 ??cbro[2 01:49:40 cbro[2/3]: Announced by Rotatell. Maintained by johnstein . 01:50:25 !learn cbro[2] s/:8080//g 01:50:25 I don't know about !learn cbro[2]. 01:50:32 !learn edit cbro[2] s/:8080//g 01:50:33 No change: regex `:8080` does not match `Announced by Rotatell. Maintained by johnstein . ` 01:50:39 !learn edit cbro[1] s/:8080//g 01:50:39 cbro[1/3]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. 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rename wizards hats "hats." 10(77 minutes ago, 41 files, 90+ 90-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13f5ae3d6da4 07:24:01 03wheals02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.14-a0-1851-g711b106: Reweight hat brands. 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 11+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=711b1061bd84 07:24:01 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1852-g9e525cf: Remove cap descriptions, resort hat descriptions 10(64 minutes ago, 11 files, 44+ 88-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e525cf68331 07:24:01 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1853-g3633943: List large rocks in the wield menu for Formicids with Sandblast memorised 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36339432a6d7 07:27:19 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:58 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:32 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53:41 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:01:18 !seen dpeg 08:01:18 I last saw dpeg at Thu Jan 9 00:07:17 2014 UTC (3d 13h 54m 1s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Night!'. 08:09:30 Stealth stat bar by Cedor 08:12:40 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:13:36 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:06 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:25:12 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:26:00 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:01 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34:14 an iron troll skeleton; a (green) troll hide; 08:34:27 this is tragic 08:38:52 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:43:48 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:48:07 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:53:24 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:07 Experimental (shadow-god) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1864-g221ecee 09:16:15 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:16:23 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:16:41 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:08 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:30 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:31:26 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:55 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:43 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1854-g0526c8f: Delete translations of "hat". 10(13 minutes ago, 11 files, 0+ 44-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0526c8fe5ffe 09:47:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:49:22 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:30 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:52:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:56:29 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:23 -!- Konstantin___ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07:33 -!- ReteAZ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:12:30 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:30 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:30 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:50 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:16 -!- qwer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:29:35 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:11 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:17 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:55 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:34:23 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:42:07 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 10:49:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:56 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:57:10 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:04 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:07 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.1-24-gd36c86d 11:11:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:50 -!- wh1te has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:14:13 -!- wh1te has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:22 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:18:21 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:21:53 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 11:22:54 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:27:29 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:29:22 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:33 -!- maahes has quit [Client Quit] 11:31:52 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 11:37:37 -!- Zermako has quit [] 11:46:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:55 fyi, before I log off again. I got the following error compiling trunk this morning. even after make clean: 11:46:56 tilepick-p.cc:398:38: error: use of undeclared identifier 'TILEP_HELM_HAT_FIRST_NORM'; did you mean 'TILEP_HELM_WHAT_FIRST_NORM'? 11:46:56 return _modrng(item.rnd, TILEP_HELM_HAT_FIRST_NORM, 11:46:57 ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 11:46:58 TILEP_HELM_WHAT_FIRST_NORM 11:46:59 rltiles/tiledef-player.h:1836:5: note: 'TILEP_HELM_WHAT_FIRST_NORM' declared here 11:47:22 I ran "make NO_PKGCONFIG=y CONTRIB_SDL=y TILES=y" on my OS X 10.9.1 computer 11:47:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 11:49:07 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:51:14 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52:11 did make recompiled the contribs? 11:52:16 ah he log off 11:52:47 doesn't look like anything to do with contribs 11:52:51 * Medar is recompiling 11:53:11 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:56:57 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:17 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:13 Ugh, I don't really know how the tile picking stuff works. 11:59:36 wheals: Here? 12:03:28 did you guys see kilobytes commit a bit ago? 12:03:33 %git hat 12:03:34 Could not find commit hat (git returned 128) 12:03:47 %git HEAD^^{/hat} 12:04:08 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-1852-g9e525cf: Remove cap descriptions, resort hat descriptions 10(6 hours ago, 11 files, 44+ 88-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e525cf68331 12:04:10 probably something to do with that 12:04:12 err ... 12:04:16 <|amethyst> %git 12:04:17 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1854-g0526c8f: Delete translations of "hat". 10(3 hours ago, 11 files, 0+ 44-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0526c8fe5ffe 12:04:24 <|amethyst> nothing to do with kilobyte's commit 12:04:27 No, it's wheals patch that removes wizard hats 12:04:32 <|amethyst> %git 711b106 12:04:32 07wheals02 {MarvinPA} * 0.14-a0-1851-g711b106: Reweight hat brands. 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 11+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=711b1061bd84 12:04:36 <|amethyst> err 12:04:41 nvm 12:04:43 <|amethyst> %git 13f5ae3 12:04:43 07wheals02 {MarvinPA} * 0.14-a0-1850-g13f5ae3: Remove caps; rename wizards hats "hats." 10(6 hours ago, 41 files, 90+ 90-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13f5ae3d6da4 12:04:48 <|amethyst> that one 12:04:57 |amethyst: I have patch that fixes compile, but it won't use cap tiles for player dolls. 12:05:07 Should I push it, or do you want to fix it properly? :) 12:06:10 <|amethyst> looking into it 12:06:24 Nice 12:06:48 <|amethyst> I'm assuming we don't mind players' hats changing colour/shape on save transfer 12:09:28 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1855-g8887ba1: Fix a warning 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8887ba10caea 12:09:29 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:15 Cedor: That was from your patch btw. 12:10:42 ? 12:10:54 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1856-g0d6ffee: Fix compilation, merge caps/hat doll tiles. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d6ffeefa7c4 12:10:56 The warning, just a missing static 12:11:07 ah yes 12:11:26 I still some rules to keep in mind 12:11:49 (and it's strange I didn't get warning miself) 12:12:29 No way you catch all those, without the warnings. 12:12:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1857-g67f5105: Update a comment. 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=67f510594a03 12:12:54 Can't see why you wouldn't get one though. 12:15:59 -!- hito has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:16:35 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1857-g67f5105 (34) 12:19:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 12:29:10 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 12:30:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:30:45 -!- CKyle has 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compilation errors! 14:57:16 -!- neuwiz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:39 i got and fixed a few about rltiles, but i never actually compiler with TILES=y 14:57:43 revenant (10L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 67-96 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 26 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1927 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d23), ghostly flames, dispel undead (3d27), 04esc:blink away | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 14:57:43 %??revenant 14:58:03 there's rRot+++ for monsters? 14:58:12 how is that differentiated from rRot+ or rRot++? 15:01:03 ??rrot 15:01:04 rrot ~ rot[1/3]: A temporary condition much like poison but attacking max HP instead of current HP. The condition can be cured with a potion of curing. The damage, once done, can be fixed (very expensively) with curing or heal wounds at full health, or with Ely's {purification}. 15:01:29 ??rot[2 15:01:30 rot[2/3]: Sources of rot: {necrophage} and {ghoul} melee attack; {necromancy miscast}s, which may come from {Zot trap}s, {Hell effect}s, or {mummy} curses; {miasma}, including {death drake} breath, unless you have {rotting resistance}. Player ghouls rot gradually over time. 15:01:36 rRot+ stuff can be rotted by eg. zin recite effects 15:01:46 ??rot[3 15:01:46 rot[3/3]: Ghouls can restore hit points by eating chunks. Mummies have to rely on wands of healing or their Self-Restoration ability (gained at level 13, costs 1 permanent MP). 15:02:13 rRot+++ stuff can't (because it doesn't have any flesh or anything like flesh at all, or whatever) 15:04:05 -!- Roshnak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04:48 oh, okay 15:04:50 what about rRot++, is that a thing 15:10:57 -!- Cedor has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:11:09 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:57 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:35 Is anyone against a heavy variant of troll armour? 15:15:48 made from what? 15:15:54 iron trolls? 15:16:26 crystal trolls 15:16:41 moon trolls clearly 15:19:12 we already have moon troll leather armor though 15:21:34 that was a joke 15:21:39 <|amethyst> G-Flex: I don't think anything has rRot++, but if something did it would be the same as rRot+++ (unless that's changed) 15:21:45 <|amethyst> %git 91711a7 15:21:47 07|amethyst02 * 0.10-a0-2849-g91711a7: Increase, never reduce, rRot with MR_RES_ROTTING. 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 2 files, 5+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91711a7da00c 15:21:54 ah, thanks 15:22:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:59 death drake (15l) | Spd: 13 | HD: 9 | HP: 56-99 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 12 | cold-blooded, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(36), 03poison, 04rot | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 740 | Sp: miasma breath (3d9) | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 15:22:59 <|amethyst> %??death drake 15:23:12 spectral death drake (03W) | Spd: 13 | HD: 9 | HP: 43-67 | AC/EV: 8/9 | Dam: 10 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 328 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 15:23:12 <|amethyst> %??spectral death drake 15:27:37 -!- Stelpa6 has quit [Client Quit] 15:29:24 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:32:38 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32:42 G-Flex: Iron trolls, yes; https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/irontrollarmor.png 15:32:56 why do I care about the tile 15:34:01 iunno 15:34:38 like, what would be the stats on it 15:34:53 That's a good question. 15:35:14 I'm lost between making it a semi-heavy armor or a full-on heavy armor. 15:35:41 (Semi-heavy being 8/9 AC @ 11-ish ER) 15:36:49 Hauling in 0.5 hp a turn so as to not obsolete the moon armor. 15:38:29 hmm 15:38:36 hrm 15:38:37 what has 11 ER 15:38:38 Could wandering mushrooms just trample toadstools? 15:38:42 FDA 15:38:42 that's chain right 15:38:44 oh 15:38:49 unknown monster: "scale armour" 15:38:49 %??scale armour 15:38:51 unknown monster: "scale mail" 15:38:51 %??scale mail 15:38:52 11 ER is scale mail. 15:38:55 yeah 15:38:56 that 15:39:07 Chain is 8 AC / 15 ER 15:39:13 I'm not afraid of making it quite good though. 15:39:19 Because to get it you have to get to the midgame. 15:39:21 iron troll (10T) | Spd: 7 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-108 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 35, 25, 25 | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 775 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 15:39:22 %??iron troll 15:39:22 adding even more armour variants that are better than the current medium armours sounds bad yes 15:39:33 that's a good point 15:39:35 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:37 iron troll armour would be pretty easy to get 15:39:45 also note that FDA and IDA have drawbacks 15:39:49 it's not like iron trolls are rare 15:39:54 and PDA is /absurdly/ rare 15:40:34 (If anything storm dragon armour should replace PDA.) 15:40:45 ??storm dragon armour 15:40:45 storm dragon armour[1/1]: 10AC, 15ER, 60aum, rElec. 15:40:47 (If you're gonna save your ?EA for so long you may as well get a reward.) 15:41:41 with ER being more granular than EVP was, would it be plausible to adjust them more such that, for example, the middle dragon armours don't all happen to match scale and each other exactly 15:42:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:14 i believe that's called a distinction without a difference 15:42:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:24 I mean, it was done with mda, although only to a minor degree 15:43:25 ??mda 15:43:26 mottled dragon armour[1/1]: In 0.14+: AC 6, ER 5, napalm immunity. ER 5 is too heavy to use with {Ozocubu's Armour}. In 0.13, ER 4 (same as leather), so you can still cast Ozocubu's Armour in that version. 15:43:31 ??ice dragon armour 15:43:31 ice dragon armour[1/1]: 9AC, 11ER, 35aum, rC++ rF-. 15:44:11 IDA is a pretty excellent physical armour, but the rF- cripples it pretty badly considering how close to Zot you are when you get it. 15:44:32 close to zot??? 15:44:51 but yeah, rF is important so you really need to make up for that in order to use it 15:45:12 which is a big gamble if you do it before you have the resources to do so 15:45:18 and if you don't you should very well go FDA 15:45:27 Unless getting toasted by 15:45:30 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 9248 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), malmutate, fireball (3d43) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 15:45:30 %??Orb of fire 15:45:37 Is something that sounds hilarious. 15:46:43 And meanwhile the only armor that provides health regeneration (yum) is a light armor. 15:47:03 Which is up there with MDA in terms of usefulness. 15:47:13 i don't think iron troll armour would be used very often really 15:47:33 by the time you get it i doubt regen would be such a good brand 15:47:37 stop bringing attention to tla or you'll get my favorite armour nerfed 15:47:47 you could have prevented this 15:47:55 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:00 <|amethyst> MDA is useless? 15:48:29 haha 15:48:48 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:49:21 (TLA is actually pretty useful as it turns out if you want big EV with some AC without hunting down a much more rare monster.) 15:50:03 -!- xsansara has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:53:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:34 -!- Gmork has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:55:19 Watching a glowing shapeshifter change shape gives TSO worshipers piety. by KennySheep 15:55:35 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:46 NOTABUG imo 15:56:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:56:43 reporting secret tso techs 15:56:44 you're right, tla being strong is notabug 15:58:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:59:31 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:59:51 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:30 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:06:00 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:21 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:40 Is there a way to kill a monster without blaming anyone? 16:12:40 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:12:53 !lg * killer= 16:12:55 648106. WalkerBoh the Conqueror (L27 TeHu), worshipper of Makhleb, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-01-12 22:01:11, with 17328601 points after 88595 turns and 9:15:52. 16:13:05 oh, to kill a monster 16:13:40 <|amethyst> Basil: KILL_NONE maybe? 16:13:51 I was going to use monster_die 16:13:51 -!- master_j has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:51 <|amethyst> Basil: or KILL_RESET if you want it to simply cease to exist 16:14:17 <|amethyst> Basil: use the six-argument version 16:14:24 Oh I should have looked farther 16:14:33 I noticed it led off with 'killer_type ktype = KILL_YOU; ' 16:14:51 and I thought that would be awkward to blame you for killing a shroom under Fedhas 16:15:04 <|amethyst> though arguably that first one should take killer == NULL to mean KILL_NONE 16:15:11 <|amethyst> instead of meaning "crash please" 16:15:38 <|amethyst> I think I will do that in fact 16:16:29 -!- lukano has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:35 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:17:22 killer_index = 0 is a good default, right? 16:17:27 for KILL_NONE 16:18:18 <|amethyst> I'd use NON_MONSTER 16:21:13 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:24:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1858-gee3e194: Don't crash when moving after &(rock_wall 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee3e194ceda1 16:24:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1859-gf8fef55: Allow null killer in five-argument monster_die. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8fef55cd2d2 16:24:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1860-gd4fd89c: Don't give TSO piety when seeing a polymorph (#7977) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4fd89cd4d41 16:25:13 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:38 -!- NomadJim has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1861-ga516334: Unbrace yourselves, winter is here. 10(72 seconds ago, 2 files, 0+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a516334f6a2a 16:28:39 man, this "positivity and constructive efforts" stuff through a long proposal of action on a particularly disliked thing is taking forever 16:28:59 hopefully it is not ignored 16:32:31 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:26 Christ is lantea spiking. 16:33:46 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:45 -!- lukano has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:37:29 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:33 -!- heteroy has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:38:57 <|amethyst> �learn add comma 16:39:28 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:16 -!- luukano has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:46:07 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:22 Oi, found a bug. 16:49:48 If you kill a monster on the same turn as you teleport, you won't actually know that the items it dropped exist. 16:50:21 Although you'll still be able to see it in tiles after teleporting. 16:50:52 (ctrl+f doesn't find it, that is) 16:52:54 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:53:24 so guys i herped and cloned the git repo in the wrong directory 16:53:42 i put it in the right one but i deleted the .git file 16:53:44 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:54:07 any way i can just init with the gitorious again? 16:54:12 <|amethyst> time to clone again, since .git is where everything is 16:54:20 <|amethyst> all the history was in there 16:54:37 alright 16:54:51 you know the unix command for deleting a directory? 16:54:52 can i just dump this here http://pastie.org/pastes/8627686/text 16:54:57 CyberSandwich: rm -r 16:55:02 thanks 16:55:08 <|amethyst> or just rmdir if it's empty 16:56:06 <|amethyst> wheals: nice vestige of ogre-magi there :) 16:56:12 yeah 16:57:03 -!- Parak_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:39 <|amethyst> hm 16:57:49 lol keeps asking me to confirm deleting every subdirectory 16:57:57 you can use -rf then 16:58:05 if you're sure there's nothing important in there 16:58:15 alright thanks 16:58:58 <|amethyst> wheals: hm, "the heaviest and most damaging weapon most races can use with a shield" is still wrong 16:59:05 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:59:10 ??bastard sword 16:59:10 bastard sword[1/1]: The sword that replaces {double sword} in 0.14. (1-handed Long Blade; Dam 15, Acc -1, Delay 15). The highest base damage weapon in the game that you can wield with a shield, minimally better than demon blade. (No shield if you're a small race.) 16:59:16 oh right, eveningstars 16:59:19 <|amethyst> also 16:59:27 <|amethyst> broad axe isn't more damaging, but is heavier 16:59:31 ha 16:59:36 <|amethyst> I guess "one of the most" 16:59:41 <|amethyst> I'll make that change 17:00:10 <|amethyst> wheals: hm 17:00:15 <|amethyst> wheals: is there a raw link somewhere? 17:00:25 i sent the raw link 17:00:44 <|amethyst> that page is HTML 17:00:45 i guess nopaste added on that 1.8.1.4 thing 17:00:51 oh 17:00:58 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:07 -!- Shade_Tornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:09 <|amethyst> I've got it 17:01:20 i guess i won't use pastie from now on 17:01:31 <|amethyst> 1.8.1.4 was added by git 17:01:36 oh, ok 17:01:40 alternatively just buff it to dam 16 :v 17:02:25 <|amethyst> wheals: also, I'm going to add back "And meeting a sharp blade this long..." even if it is kind of silly :) 17:02:44 fiine 17:02:48 ??eveningstar 17:02:48 eveningstar[1/1]: The rarest mace, but not a demon whip. One-handed. Dam 15, Acc -1, Delay 15. 17:03:03 so eveningstars have the exact same stats as bastard swords? 17:03:37 apparently 17:03:51 <|amethyst> the important ones 17:03:56 <|amethyst> they differ in a few ways 17:04:01 well, all of them except skill and slashing vs. blunt damage 17:04:17 <|amethyst> weight, str weight, size (which affects small creatures), and damage type 17:04:30 oh right 17:04:33 which one is bigger? 17:04:36 brand generation 17:04:39 <|amethyst> bastard sword 17:04:45 MarvinPA: how so 17:04:56 I'm guessing eveningstar has greater str weight, not that it's very relevant 17:05:48 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:13 03wheals02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1862-gc0dc109: Correct some item descs. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0dc10919bdb 17:06:46 <|amethyst> size is maybe the most relevant of those 17:06:54 <|amethyst> kobolds can wield eveningstars 1H 17:07:18 so basically bastard sword is worse 17:07:21 (technically) 17:07:22 eveningstars can be generated with pain 17:07:36 but not elec 17:07:40 -!- MetaCosm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:07:55 bastard swords being the other way around 17:07:57 eveningstars have a _coinflip_ chance for draining 17:08:10 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:31 also bastard swords are twice as likely to have vamp 17:08:38 1/10th versus 1/20th 17:09:24 though since all of these rolls in makeitem.cc are sequential that i don't really understand what the exact chances are 17:10:14 should have somebody make a script that converts the sequential rolls into bizarrely-scaled weighted random choices 17:13:50 Brands are kind of irrelevant when it comes to eveningstars/bastard swords. 17:13:57 Unless their chance of spawning has been increased lately. 17:14:30 hall of blades, obviously 17:15:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:15:16 Eveningstars being wieldable with shields is a pretty huge advantage over bastard swords on small races. 17:16:14 i don't think m&f halflings or lblades kobolds are so common either way 17:16:42 wouldn't long blade kobolds be somewhat common 17:16:45 !apt Ha 17:16:46 Ha: Fighting: -1, Short: 3!, Long: 0, Axes: -1, Maces: -2, Polearms: -3*, Staves: -2, Slings: 4!, Bows: 2, Xbows: -1, Throw: 3!, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 4, Shields: 1, UC: -2*, Splcast: -3, Conj: -2, Hexes: -1, Charms: 1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: 1, Tmut: -4*, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 1, Earth: 0, Poison: -1, Inv: 1, Evo: 2, Exp: 1, HP: -1, MP: 0 17:16:48 !apt Ko 17:16:49 Ko: Fighting: 1, Short: 3!, Long: -2, Axes: -1, Maces: 0, Polearms: -2, Staves: -1, Slings: 2, Bows: -1, Xbows: 2!, Throw: 3!, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 4, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: -1, Hexes: 0, Charms: -2, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: -1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 3, Exp: 1, HP: -2, MP: 0 17:16:50 via sblade -> lblade cross-training 17:17:05 0 Lbl Ha, 0 Maces Ko. 17:17:13 oh, possibly 17:17:16 Doesn't smell too bad. 17:17:27 -!- Roshnak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:17:53 halfling has 3 short and 0 long, seems plausible 17:17:56 i really like using maces on Ko, that's my go-to 17:18:22 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:38 -!- heteroy has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:23:52 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:25:11 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:25:45 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:26:55 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:59 hey 17:27:45 hello 'toclasm 17:27:58 what it is 17:28:16 i guess i have stuff to draw for the shadow guy 17:28:37 ??dithmengos 17:28:37 I don't have a page labeled dithmengos in my learndb. 17:28:42 just color the whole tile black and call it a day 17:28:48 or... call it a night, i guess 17:28:55 Darke Shado 17:29:13 Dimlighting 17:29:16 dithmengos lives in the arctic during the winter, those are the same thing 17:30:09 also why does the shadow god take corpse sacrifices 17:30:44 wait he does 17:30:57 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:30:59 yes 17:31:02 clearly you're hiding the bodies since this is a stealth god 17:31:06 haha 17:31:13 probably because nobody could think of a better piety gain mechanism 17:31:34 maybe grunt added corpse sacrificing early on because there weren't any better piety gain ideas at the time and then never bothered to take it out once the anti-fire and anti-illumination conducts went in 17:31:42 yeah, what the g-man said 17:31:55 well just "kills" would be okay 17:32:08 but saccing corpses seems bizarre 17:32:26 kills make some sense because the shadow god should like you to be scary 17:32:30 and killing people is scary 17:32:50 what if you get noticed? 17:32:55 no piety? 17:33:00 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:14 ("stealth god" was a non-serious statement) 17:34:09 i think it's just for kills, i don't think any of the gods are real picky about how you do your kills 17:34:19 as long as you kill the right thing 17:34:52 how about you get piety for entering new floors 17:34:57 similar to ashenzari 17:35:04 spread the darknesssssss 17:35:24 ontoclasm: why 17:36:00 well, i'd prefer the god of shadow not be another cliche evil god 17:36:08 I don't think he should be evil, even 17:36:13 but I also don't see why he should care about you going to new floors 17:36:14 yes 17:36:19 kills and fire/illumination stuff is prooobably enough 17:36:39 ontoclasm: BTW, it would be nice to have doll tiles for arrows and chunks. Or altenatively a tile for "something else", but might be hard to be come up with a sensible tile for that. 17:36:47 (where's the dithmengos priest monster proposal) 17:37:03 Medar: like wielding them? 17:37:09 i guess i can do that 17:37:22 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:37:24 ontoclasm: Yes, because sticks to snakes and simulacra etc. 17:37:27 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:37:40 Not sure if there are any other items like that 17:37:46 I see decks already have a tile 17:38:05 well you can technically wield anything but i think those are the only things there's a reason to 17:38:15 Right 17:38:23 Well, you can't wield armor or jewellery :) 17:38:31 would a shadow, fog, or other sight-obscuring invocation make more sense than the current reflexive fog-on-damage thing, by the way? 17:38:40 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:38:45 unless they bring back BONE SHARDS 17:39:37 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:39:52 gotta have a tile for flowers 17:40:10 bring back eringya's surprising bouquet 17:40:13 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 17:41:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:51:38 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:53:17 -!- browncustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 17:54:11 no fire conduct seems like not a good conduct to me incidentally 17:54:38 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:54:42 since it is not for any actual gameplay reason it seems? and ends up really complicated 17:55:06 there was always the "no loud noises" conduct 17:55:18 no shouting, no loud spells 17:55:39 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:56:22 my favorite god flavor idea was that the god is sleeping and hates being disturbed 17:56:49 and appreciates you silencing all the nonsense going on in the dungeon 17:58:08 dungeon's already sleeping before the player comes in and ruins everything 17:58:09 coincidentally most of your kills are probably going to be sleeping monsters 17:58:37 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:58:40 <|amethyst> hm 17:58:53 <|amethyst> I guess a "cast spells silently" ability might be a bit too powerful 17:59:05 well dead things are even quieter than sleeping things :J 17:59:10 <|amethyst> (when combined with Silence) 17:59:32 silencing all that terrible snoring 18:02:56 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:11 -!- araganzar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:07:03 any thoughts on what the altar should look like? 18:07:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:33 ontoclasm: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/vaultsmetal.png Is this an eyesore? 18:08:50 it is, to me 18:09:01 yes 18:09:02 needs much more differentiation between walls and floors 18:09:18 make the floors darker and lower the contrast a bunch imo 18:09:37 i did make it darker than before so yeah 18:09:54 floors have to be way flatter and darker than feels correct 18:10:35 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:11:00 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:11:48 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:55 the floor and walls there look too smooth and rounded, like they're made of ingots of silver or something 18:12:39 also i'd make the blocks not all the same size; think the way vaults floors look now 18:13:01 still a good start, definitely more metallic than our current metal 18:13:06 It's more of a general material test. 18:13:11 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:13:13 I very much like how it turned out. 18:13:38 mm 18:14:56 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/vaultsmetal2.png 18:14:59 -!- lukano has quit [Client Quit] 18:15:27 -!- lukano has quit [Client Quit] 18:15:37 the door not having the floor is eating at my eyes 18:15:47