00:02:26 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1663-g0b35444 (34)
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00:16:27 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1663-g0b35444 (34)
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00:23:18 <SamB> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904
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00:35:40 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1663-g0b35444
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00:44:30 <Bloaxor> Is it possible to watch an entire game through the TV?
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00:48:31 <Grunt> Sure.
00:48:39 <Grunt> -tv:<T0:>>
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00:49:29 <|amethyst> maybe also :channel=bloax   so it doesn't tie up footv
00:50:52 <Bloaxor> So something like !lg blabla -tv:<T0:>>:channel=bloaxmortem ?
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01:01:54 <Basil> Sure
01:02:42 <Bloaxor> Well hopefully this thing won't last five full hours on replay.
01:04:07 <Basil> What are you looking for?
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01:06:07 <Bloaxor> I'm just rewatching a chronicle of mine.
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01:09:15 <Bloaxor> ??Aptitudes
01:09:15 <Sequell> aptitude[1/4]: A number from -5 to 5 reflecting your character's ability with a specific skill; higher is better. An aptitude of n means the race takes 2^(-n/4) times as much exp to advance as a human. Press ?% in game to see the big table of races and aptitudes. An aptitude of -1 or better is good, -2 is manageable even as your main skill, -3 is quite bad.
01:09:28 <Bloaxor> ??Aptitude[2]
01:09:28 <Sequell> aptitude[2/4]: 0.6 to 0.7 conversion: -5 = 238, -4 = 200, -3 = 168, -2 = 141, -1 = 119, 0 = 100, 1 = 84, 2 = 71, 3 = 59, 4 = 50, 5 = 42
01:09:31 <Bloaxor> ??Aptitude[3]
01:09:31 <Sequell> aptitude[3/4]: Try "!apt <race>" or "!apt <skill>" in ##crawl or in PM with this bot. An "!" next to an apt indicates that it's highest apt possible for that skill out of all races.
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01:12:55 <Bloaxor> Hm..
01:13:42 <Bloaxor> watch it crash and burn
01:13:45 <Bloaxor> !learn edit aptitude[3] s/this bot/Sequell
01:13:45 <Sequell> aptitude[3/4]: Try "!apt <race>" or "!apt <skill>" in ##crawl or in PM with Sequell. An "!" next to an apt indicates that it's highest apt possible for that skill out of all races.
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02:56:33 <Bloaxor> Dang.
02:56:43 <Bloaxor> Twelwe thousand turns and such an adventure.
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06:59:26 <Cheibriados> user_note_prefix retains neither capitalization nor trailing whitespace <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7925> by chris
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09:26:11 <Cheibriados> Unpredictable movement speed in certain cases <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7926> by chris
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10:04:19 <TZer0> !messages
10:04:19 <Sequell> No messages for TZer0.
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10:23:24 <|amethyst> hm
10:23:45 <|amethyst> pandemonium portals have " " for a glyph and don't show up in ctrl-o
10:24:10 <Medar> TZer0: Hey. I just backed up a save on CLAN and it gave a wrong URL
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10:26:25 <Medar> TZer0: Also when it asks for password it says "CSZO developer account"
10:26:48 <TZer0> Medar: derp
10:26:58 <TZer0> I'll look into it
10:27:19 <Medar> Thanks. The url has an extra / somewhere and :8081 port when it should have none
10:27:53 <TZer0> hmm, which file should I look in?
10:28:05 <TZer0> Is it one of the perl-scripts?
10:28:07 <TZer0> Or config?
10:28:14 <Medar> Maybe |amethyst knows
10:28:24 <Medar> You could try grepping for 8081 or something
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10:30:37 <|amethyst> TZer0:  in dgl-manage.conf   export WEB_SAVEDUMP_URL
10:30:49 <|amethyst> TZer0:  you'll have to re-publish the scripts after changing that
10:30:57 <|amethyst> s/scripts/scripts and configs/
10:31:45 <TZer0> ah, okay
10:33:02 <TZer0> uhh, wait, it says that the url will be /saves
10:33:06 <TZer0> but I don't have that folder
10:33:15 <TZer0> is it perhaps supposed to be dumps?
10:33:22 <|amethyst> TZer0:  you probably have an alias in apache
10:33:37 <|amethyst> TZer0:  /saves/blah  is supposed to run auth-save-downloader
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10:33:50 <|amethyst> so you don't want to make just /dumps available over the web
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10:56:49 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1664-g9d5a29e: Improve indentation. 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d5a29e996e7
10:56:49 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1665-gf4cfba6: Show Pan entrances again. 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4cfba611bfa
10:56:49 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1666-ga43c125: Show abandoned shops again. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a43c125842ad
10:56:50 <Cheibriados> Escape hatch displaced angel from closet <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7927> by mursu
10:56:55 <|amethyst> There are also some compatibility feats that don't get glyphs
10:57:06 <|amethyst> dry blue fountains, enter dwarf, etc
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10:58:14 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  dry blue fountains and the like can still show up in transferred games, right?
10:58:17 <SamB> |amethyst: these features aren't permitted to actually exist are they?
10:58:41 <SamB> or, well, I guess maybe enter dwarf can't be dropped ...
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10:58:54 <|amethyst> aha
10:58:57 <SamB> because, you know, if someone still had a save with a dwarf branch ...
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10:59:27 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  ah, nm, I see where they're transformed in unmarshallFeatureType
10:59:54 <|amethyst> SamB:  Have such saves existed since 0.11 or so?
11:00:04 <SamB> I don't know
11:00:22 <Medar> http://imgur.com/guWHnag
11:00:25 <|amethyst> The main reason it can't be dropped is to avoid shifting the enums
11:00:48 <Medar> Is that a bug? Or does that happen if I see the ogre move there or something
11:03:19 <|amethyst> Medar:  hm, I'm assuming that square is DNGN_UNSEEN ?
11:03:29 <Medar> Should be yes.
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11:03:49 <SamB> |amethyst: are those enums used much elsewhere?
11:04:04 <SamB> as opposed to, say, monster numbers?
11:04:05 <|amethyst> SamB:  "elsewhere"?
11:04:31 <SamB> I mean, do they leak all over the place like monster type numbers
11:04:47 <|amethyst> SamB:  much worse than monster numbers
11:04:53 <SamB> ah
11:04:55 <|amethyst> SamB:  because nothing uses >= and <= with monster numbers
11:05:06 <SamB> well, true
11:05:10 <SamB> well, not QUITE true
11:05:11 <|amethyst> (well, with draconians maybe)
11:05:29 <SamB> there's some arithmatic involving the sensed monsters
11:05:43 <SamB> but that hardly counts
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11:07:26 <SamB> so, anyway, if we have features that aren't being used anymore but are just taking up spots, shouldn't we rename them to something involving UNUSED?
11:08:05 <SamB> or add a comment after the definition about what happens to them on upgrade
11:08:36 <|amethyst> SamB:  marking them unused is a problem because then people will reuse them, and old saves will get surprising results
11:08:42 <SamB> (and as a bonus, ccache ignores changes that don't affect tokens)
11:08:45 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1666-ga43c125 (34)
11:08:49 <SamB> hmm
11:09:48 <|amethyst> SamB:  e.g. we have code to replace DNGN_DRY_FOUNTAIN_BLUE with DNGN_DRY_FOUNTAIN; that wouldn't work correctly if someone made DNGN_DRY_FOUNTAIN_BLUE into a new feature
11:09:55 <SamB> yah
11:10:17 <|amethyst> SamB:  the dwarf entrances/exits could probably be renamed to unused, though
11:11:01 <SamB> what happens now?
11:11:44 <|amethyst> SamB:  wrt dry fountains?  The old obsolete ones get replaced when the level is loaded
11:11:57 <SamB> no, dwarf
11:11:58 <|amethyst> SamB: I guess with a tag we could tell the difference
11:12:27 <|amethyst> SamB:  they probably show up with a " " glyph like Pan did until a couple of commits ago
11:12:47 <SamB> how long was pan doing that?
11:13:07 <|amethyst> %git cabeb528
11:13:07 <Cheibriados> 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1544-gcabeb52: Refactor colouring of features. 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 104+ 348-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cabeb528c49b
11:13:12 <|amethyst> a couple of weeks
11:13:12 <SamB> ah
11:13:30 * SamB thinks kilobyte forgot the meaning of "refactor" ...
11:13:48 <SamB> shouldn't it show up as SUBSTITUTION CHARACTER or whatever
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11:17:56 <|amethyst> SamB:  The default is NUM_DCHAR_TYPES which is also used for unseen and expore horizon
11:18:35 <|amethyst> Medar: hm... I can't manage to reproduce that by making a monster flee to an unseen square
11:19:02 <|amethyst> Medar:  testing in local tiles, not webtiles
11:19:32 <ontoclasm> hm
11:19:33 <Sequell> ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
11:19:36 <ontoclasm> !messages
11:19:36 <Sequell> (1/1) Bloax said (3d 13h 8m 13s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/GiantNewt.png I'm not very satisfied with it, but I think I got the overall look right. (It looks pretty pathetic.)
11:19:49 <ontoclasm> i guess i should replace double/triple swords
11:19:54 <|amethyst> Medar:  hm, nor in webtiles
11:20:03 <Medar> Doubt it's tile related, or at least it shows up like that in console too when loading the save.
11:20:06 <Grunt> ontoclasm: someone made tiles for the latter on mantis.
11:20:11 <ontoclasm> yeah, i know
11:20:17 <Grunt> (just checking <_<)
11:20:42 <Medar> |amethyst: http://crawl.lantea.net/saves/Medar-crawl-git-0b35444cef-131228-1555.tar.bz2
11:21:45 <|amethyst> Medar:  oh, antennae
11:21:48 <|amethyst> Medar:  hm
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11:22:05 <ontoclasm> the problem i have with the ones on mantis is that they just look like longsword
11:22:07 <ontoclasm> s*
11:22:38 <ontoclasm> say what you will about the realism of a triple sword
11:22:45 <ontoclasm> but it's definitely easy to identify visually
11:23:04 <Medar> Yeah, that's why I liked it
11:23:54 <Medar> ontoclasm: Do you think it would be viable to have the dolls actually hold two handed weapons with two hands?
11:24:03 <|amethyst> Medar:  yeah, that still seems buggy, because I would expect a } glyph rather than O, but maybe there's something I'm missing
11:24:51 <Medar> |amethyst: Yeah. Guess I'll just put it on Mantis.
11:24:53 <ontoclasm> Medar: well we'd have to have a completely new set of dolls made
11:25:00 <ontoclasm> along with all the armour etc
11:25:47 <Medar> Right. Oh well.
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11:34:55 <Medar> Hmh, getting "Invalid form security token." trying to submit on Mantis.
11:35:15 <Medar> Oh, now it worked.
11:37:33 <Cheibriados> Moster displayed on unseen square <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7928> by Medar
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11:38:03 <ProzacElf> triple sword is way cooler than claymore anyway
11:38:09 <ProzacElf> even if totally unrealistic
11:42:44 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1667-g9518ca9: Don't trap players in nicolae_good_shop (#7927) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9518ca97abf6
11:42:45 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-20-gf50ca03: Don't trap players in nicolae_good_shop (#7927) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f50ca03deade
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11:47:26 <Eronarn> s/claymore/flamberge/
11:47:44 <|amethyst> Eronarn:  we already have a flamberge, with different stats
11:48:12 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "great_sword"

11:48:12 <|amethyst> %??great_sword
11:48:14 <|amethyst> ??great_sword
11:48:14 <Sequell> great sword[1/2]: A sword with a very long, heavy blade and a long handle. (two-handed Long Blade; Dam 16 Acc -3 Delay 16)
11:48:28 <|amethyst> 17, -2, 16
11:49:12 <|amethyst> maybe Cerebov could get an upgrade?
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11:58:52 <|amethyst> Medar:  also not sure if you saw #7923; someone reported that scroll-to-the-bottom sometimes stops working when a horizontal scrollbar appears
11:59:00 <|amethyst> Medar:  in tileschat that is
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12:01:54 <|amethyst> Medar:  and someone says #6837 (webtiles More prompt loses a line) started happening to them again
12:02:40 <Medar> I did yeah, thought something like that might happen with the earlier chat patch.
12:03:08 <Cheibriados> A character can initially start game wearing shield and wielding 2-handed weapon <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929> by petzl
12:03:18 <Medar> Ugh, that's not good.
12:04:02 <MarvinPA> that was supposedly fixed a while ago
12:04:07 <MarvinPA> by the patch in https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7282
12:04:30 <MarvinPA> so i guess the patch misses something
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12:07:36 <Medar> It might be nice to do the more prompt handling (for too many lines) on client side in WebTiles.
12:08:21 <Medar> But then it would function differently.
12:08:42 <Medar> As those prompts pause the action right?
12:10:44 <|amethyst> yes
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12:16:19 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  I think I see the problem
12:16:38 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  can_wear_armour doesn't do the shield + 2h check
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12:17:01 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  so if you are given the quarterstaff first, you can get a shield later
12:17:04 <MarvinPA> mm, the joys of these things being checked (or not checked) in 6 different places
12:17:24 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  can_wield does check, so if you get the shield first the quarterstaff will not be creater
12:17:27 <|amethyst> created
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12:19:26 <MarvinPA> ah right, and the can_wield check is what the patch adds to wanderer equipment selection
12:19:41 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  it also adds a can_wear_armour check
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12:21:15 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  both of these added checks will result in the wanderer getting less stuff than usual, though
12:21:33 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  (well, if the armour one is fixed)
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12:22:50 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  if they actually existed, I'd suggest downgrading quarterstaves to plain staves
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12:23:36 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  ohh... never mind
12:24:13 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  it doesn't mean less stuff; this happens after the item is created but before it is equipped
12:24:36 <MarvinPA> aha
12:24:40 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  so you'd just end up with an unwielded quarterstaff, which is fine (it at least lets you train for a magical staff)
12:24:51 <MarvinPA> i'm just looking at the wanderer code and confusing myself here :P
12:25:09 <MarvinPA> yeah that seems okay
12:25:21 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  I think this can be fixed just by changing can_wear_armour without touching wanderer code again, but
12:25:33 <|amethyst> it would need testing re the other callers of can_wear_armour
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12:32:32 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  marked the new bug as a duplicate but left it open since the other one is marked as resolved
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12:59:17 <Sizzell> Pac (L24 CeHe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Crypt:2)
12:59:18 <Sizzell> acuteghost (L13 DrSk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:6)
13:00:45 <Sizzell> acuteghost (L13 DrSk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:6)
13:00:46 <Sizzell> swinepaste (L15 DsMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:3)
13:00:47 <Sizzell> minmay (L3 OpBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3)
13:00:49 <Sizzell> rzimodnar (L7 MiMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5)
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13:23:01 <SamB> why do these always seem to come in clusters?
13:23:12 <SamB> Medar: any clue?
13:23:27 <SamB> oh, the timeout I guess?
13:23:53 * SamB wonders if maybe the timeout should be more random
13:24:33 <SamB> though, why both at 13:59:17-18 and at 14:00:45-49 ?
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13:25:50 <Medar> oh it's always the same time?
13:26:06 <|amethyst> the one above was because I was running something that did too much I/O
13:26:18 <|amethyst> and lagged everybody
13:26:36 <Medar> right
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13:34:06 <Cheibriados> Potions of (coagulated) blood still on autopickup <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930> by minmay
13:44:34 <Cheibriados> Blood still gives nutrition to non-vampires <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931> by minmay
13:45:24 <Medar> Heh
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15:04:56 <Henzell> WalkerBoh (L24 DDHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Depths:1)
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15:13:29 <bh> ??Henzell
15:13:29 <Sequell> henzell[1/1]: Linley Henzell is the original creator of Crawl. "Henzell" is also the {CAO} announcement bot. Based on {Sizzell}, which is based on {Gretell}. Uses ! as its command prefix. Note: non-announce functions now in {Sequell}.
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15:42:54 <bh> hrmph. I'm trying to destroy nets inside of mons_clear_trapping_net, but a few turns later the game goes into an infinite loop
15:42:54 <Sequell> bh: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
15:43:38 <bh> !tell ChrisOelmueller Join the channel if you have something to contribute, please.
15:43:38 <Sequell> bh: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know.
15:48:18 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1668-g5d474e4: Give everyone the same nutrition for drinking blood. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5d474e4e7492
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15:51:25 <|amethyst> bh: delete how?
15:51:35 <|amethyst> bh:  err, destroy how
15:51:36 <bh> destroy_item(..)
15:52:32 <|amethyst> hm... that unlinks it, which was my first concern
15:55:00 <kilobyte> bh: have you thought about destroying nets as they trap something, and creating them anew if someone escapes without destroying?
15:55:17 <bh> kilobyte: that seems grungier than what I'm doing
15:55:24 <kilobyte> this would get rid of a good deal of special casing, removing the entire concept of immobile items
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16:05:35 <bh> kilobyte: webs too
16:06:00 <|amethyst> webs already work like nets without the item
16:06:19 <alefury> kilobyte: why the potion of blood change?
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16:11:51 <kilobyte> alefury: if blood is supposed to be carnivore food, it should at least try to do something
16:12:19 <kilobyte> this merely follows its design; whether the design is good is another question
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16:12:26 <alefury> Doesn't it usually just make you sick? IRL I mean?
16:13:34 <kilobyte> in RL?  Quite a few dishes are made of blood.  Black pudding, for example.
16:13:44 <bh> Crawl: A real life simulator.
16:13:49 <alefury> hm, true, there's also blood sausage
16:14:08 <alefury> Although that also has a bunch of other things in it
16:14:45 <alefury> Oh well, if everyone is eating the raw meat of anything that moves I guess blood is actually one of the better foods
16:15:58 <alefury> I think mostly you're not supposed to get human blood in your food because it has human bacteria in it
16:16:07 <MarvinPA> gameplay-wise it makes quaffing blood fountains optimal similar to old water fountains
16:16:09 <MarvinPA> which seems bad
16:16:25 <kilobyte> I've eaten dishes made of blood exactly twice, and I remember both pretty well.  That's a traumatic thing, akin to anchovies.
16:16:31 <alefury> How was it not optimal before?
16:16:43 <alefury> Just gives more nutrition now
16:16:50 <MarvinPA> yes, i didn't say it wasn't optimal before
16:17:03 <MarvinPA> it wouldn't be optimal if they didn't give nutrition though!
16:17:04 <|amethyst> It makes the optimal behaviour less tedious :P
16:17:22 <|amethyst> could increase the chance of blood fountains drying
16:17:24 <kilobyte> alefury: if you're not a saprovore, gourmand or carni 1, you have a 25%+(25%*herbi) chance of getting sick
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16:17:33 <alefury> Technicalls you said "makes optimal", which implies it wasn't before ;)
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16:18:38 <kilobyte> |amethyst: that would make them hardly worth bother walking to
16:18:41 <alefury> Ah, so if nutrition is low you need to rest off the sickness, which gets rid of much of the nutrition?
16:18:47 <kilobyte> FR: what if all fountains got removed?
16:19:25 <alefury> That would be okay I guess
16:19:49 <MarvinPA> works for me
16:19:57 <bh> it would have an impact on decorative vaults.
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16:20:39 <|amethyst> reduce them to one feature type and make them tile variants
16:20:43 <|amethyst> maybe alt descriptions too
16:21:04 <|amethyst> (for regular versus dry, that is)
16:21:13 <alefury> would that get rid of electric eel fountains?
16:21:26 <kilobyte> alefury: please yes
16:21:31 <MarvinPA> or just making them always purely decorative would be an improvement too yeah
16:24:28 <Cheibriados> 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-1669-g9b25c0f: Tone down ReStab 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b25c0fb4ad1
16:24:30 <bh> alefury: that's a thing? :\
16:25:02 <alefury> I don't know if it's still a thing, I haven't played much recently. But water monsters could spawn in fountains. Probably still can.
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16:28:56 <alefury> What about 7922? It seems nice.
16:30:55 <Medar> I like that one too
16:31:07 <ontoclasm> aren't !resist already really strong?
16:31:12 <bh> If it goes in, should we adjust downward the frequency of !resist?
16:31:19 <alefury> Why?
16:31:30 <Medar> Yes, but they are rare and they wouldn't be that much stronger
16:32:13 <Medar> Like the submitter says, you almost always just quaff it to get one specific resistance
16:32:36 <Medar> So it won't really make it stronger in situations you use it already, it just adds a few more situations you can consider using it
16:32:43 <alefury> A few monsters have hexes in addition to powerful elemental attacks
16:32:53 <alefury> So occasionally you would get something extra, but not that often
16:34:29 <Medar> bh: I like the ReStab change. Not sure about the increase in might/agi/bri, altough I guess it's not that significant?
16:34:59 <Medar> Oh, 500 to 530, I could just read the diff...
16:35:07 <bh> Medar: I wanted to reallocate the weight
16:35:26 <alefury> Usually it's just given to something bad I think :)
16:35:31 <Lantell> Yermak (L13 FoGl) ASSERT(!crawl_state.is_repeating_cmd()) in 'main.cc' at line 4839 failed. (D (Sprint))
16:35:40 <Medar> Yeah, it's probably fine.
16:35:41 <alefury> Never forget: your goal is to kill players ;)
16:36:15 <Medar> !lm Yermak -log
16:36:16 <Sequell> Yermak, XL15 FeFE, T:29733 (milestone) has no matching game.
16:36:27 <Medar> !lm Yermak sprint crash -log
16:36:28 <Sequell> 1. Yermak, XL13 FoGl, T:867 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Yermak/crash-Yermak-20131228-223528.txt
16:37:32 <bh> I'd like to reduce the experience mod for summons. Does anyone think this would be bad?
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16:38:14 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1670-g5329196: Fix serial_ice recolouring statues to look like silver statues 10(89 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53291962a2d2
16:38:14 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1671-ge9fde75: Fix potions of blood being considered useless with Sublimation memorised 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9fde754fada
16:39:01 <bh> Are gargoyles immune to decay? The potion shows up as dangerous
16:39:12 <alefury> Are summons not super overpowered anymore or something?
16:39:19 <alefury> Also, why would gargoyles be immune to decay?
16:39:30 <|amethyst> they are immune
16:39:34 <Bloax> alefury: Because stone doesn't decay as fast as flesh.
16:39:43 <alefury> Oh, they get rRot too?
16:39:47 <|amethyst> yeah
16:39:49 <Bloax> And by not as fast we're talking about milennia instead of weeks.
16:39:59 <alefury> It's living stone though
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16:40:25 <Bloax> does that mean they're still made of meat and blood
16:40:47 <alefury> maybe some pieces die and fall off or something
16:40:59 <alefury> It's magic!
16:41:13 <alefury> I'm sure Gloorx would approve
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16:42:43 <Bloax> why not remove their rN and rTorment then
16:42:51 <Bloax> and also remove their AC bonus because that doesn't make any sense
16:43:21 <Cheibriados> 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-1672-gb38bd30: Don't label decay as dangerous for gargoyles. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b38bd308432a
16:43:23 <Bloax> they're just humans in a rocky costume
16:44:22 <MarvinPA> shouldn't that check for rot immunity rather than species?
16:44:55 <bh> yes. It could do that.
16:45:02 <|amethyst> ghouls
16:45:20 <MarvinPA> yeah
16:45:42 <MarvinPA> (plus future-proofing)
16:46:01 <|amethyst> I guess you'd check that with temp == false?
16:46:17 <bh> why temp false?
16:46:18 <MarvinPA> although the uselessness/dangerousness checks are not very good about that generally
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16:47:08 <|amethyst> bh:  lich form mostly
16:47:15 <|amethyst> but what MarvinPA says is true
16:47:24 <|amethyst> there's an old bug about this, in the 2000s or so I think
16:47:25 <Medar> lich form autopickups are kind of messed up
16:47:27 <MarvinPA> the temp stuff is really weird yeah
16:47:31 <bh> oh, ah
16:47:35 <MarvinPA> i have tried to figure out how lich form uses it a few times and failed
16:48:09 <MarvinPA> pickup/dropping uselessness checks seem to use temp when they shouldn't
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16:48:29 <Cheibriados> 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-1673-gec4be53: Reduce Experience mod for high level summons 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec4be5300be9
16:48:29 <Cheibriados> 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-1674-g3b7ee2e: Check res_rotting, rather than species for !decay. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b7ee2e01405
16:48:31 <kilobyte> a good part is that uselessness checks can't agree whether lich form is effectively permanent or not
16:49:14 <kilobyte> from what I see, folks who use Necromutation recast it all the time, folks who consider it temporary merely keep talking how bad it is
16:49:19 <|amethyst> bh:  ohh... that's what you meant
16:49:38 <|amethyst> bh:  I thought you meant something much more radical, as in 75% XP for ally kills
16:49:55 <kilobyte> so assuming people won't need more food is reasonable, as long as it's not autodrop
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16:50:43 <Medar> well, these days we have \-menu where you can disable food autopickup if you think you have enough
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16:52:48 <MarvinPA> having it drop your holy weapon and all your food and cure mut potions isn't very reasonable yeah
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16:55:11 <bh> hm. Rather than going whole hog and making a new class of strategic items, we could just make the existing strategic items (enchant foo, recharging) fire/freeze proof
16:55:32 <alefury> or just remove item destruction
16:55:44 <alefury> how about disabling it in a branch and seeing how it turns out?
16:57:21 <bh> alefury: we could make potions and scrolls not stack and remove item destruction :)
16:58:02 <alefury> a stack size limit would be fine, it would also allow removing item weights which would be really nice
16:58:23 <alefury> a limit of 1 is probably too harsh though
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17:00:12 <alefury> bh: Also you're wrong, because item destruction in about 95% of gameplay time only imposes a very temporary restriction on stack size. You can just go back to get more.
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17:01:21 <alefury> Actually this is the same for stack size restrictions in general
17:01:41 <alefury> So I'm not convinced they are needed even if item destruction and even item weight were removed
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17:40:01 <alefury> Can scrolls of  blinking and cblink please do the same thing in -cTele areas?
17:40:10 <alefury> I don't care which
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18:59:57 <Cheibriados> Auto explore does not go top left. <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932> by Condegh
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21:37:29 <buppy> ontoclasm: are you around?
21:39:37 <ontoclasm> sort of
21:41:33 <buppy> ontoclasm: I did a real quick edit of that claymore sprite: http://i.imgur.com/geXfApE.png Any better?
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21:41:57 <ontoclasm> that looks good
21:42:10 <ontoclasm> much easier to identify
21:42:21 <buppy> yeah, I agree
21:42:58 <buppy> I guess I'll edit the player doll tiles too
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21:50:06 <Grunt> buppy: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:51:58 * buppy roars: RIP AND TEAR!!!
21:52:30 * Grunt roars: ANNIHILATED!
21:52:41 <Grunt> (actually, I noticed a bug in my addition the other day)
21:53:29 <buppy> didn't include enough exclamations?
21:53:51 <Grunt> Well, it breaks the line "Trog appreciates your kill of a magic user."
21:54:03 <Grunt> So I'm going to just change that line to "Trog smash puny caster!!" or something <_<
21:54:36 <buppy> that sounds nice
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22:23:09 <wheals> Grunt: it should replace "You die..." with "rip"
22:24:41 <Grunt> wheals: good point <_<
22:27:14 <Cheibriados> Identify sustain abilities on partial protection, and add a message for partial protection. <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933> by Sage
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22:31:24 <wheals> Grunt: also change Warrior-mage to BATTLEMAGE too?
22:33:52 <SwissStopwatch> changing in-game crawl text to reflect ##crawl memes, this can only end well
22:34:24 <ontoclasm> Minmay is now too close for your liking.
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22:56:32 <buppy> ontoclasm: I put the new tiles on mantis
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22:58:32 <ontoclasm> okay, thanks
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22:59:10 <Bloax> Battlemage is a good title though.
23:00:16 <Bloax> And not exclusive to ##crawl memes.
23:00:49 <wheals> oh i meant just in the sgrunt language
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23:16:50 <Cheibriados> 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-1675-g2890da7: Claymore tiles (pubby, 7891) 10(3 minutes ago, 8 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2890da7b8657
23:16:51 <ontoclasm> fr make triple swords / double swords unrands
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23:20:23 <Bloax> ontoclasm: Should komodos be pinker?
23:23:13 <ontoclasm> i guess they could be, but why?
23:23:25 <ontoclasm> most real komodos are sort of bluegrey
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23:29:47 <buppy> purple komodo? http://i.imgur.com/QxfuUYr.png
23:31:11 <Bloax> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/pinkmodo.png pink
23:32:01 <Cheibriados> Formicid <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934> by Denamorado
23:33:39 <ontoclasm> i'm not huge on the pink version; it doesn't look like a komodo to me
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23:34:07 <ontoclasm> makes me think of a hairless chihuahua
23:34:52 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "hound colour:lightred chihuahua"

23:34:52 <wheals> %??hound colour:lightred hd:1 name:hairless chihuahua
23:35:06 <Cheibriados> unknown monster: "hound colour:lightred"

23:35:06 <wheals> %??hound colour:lightred hd:1 name:hairless_chihuahua
23:35:10 <Cheibriados> hairless chihuahua (04h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 6 | sense invisible | Res: 06magic(4) | XP: 2 | Sz: small | Int: animal.

23:35:10 <wheals> %??hound col:lightred hd:1 name:hairless_chihuahua
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