00:00:14 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:00:28 with a note about why it's commented out 00:00:41 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1501-g5834675: Comment out the decks bit since it's wonky (simmarine) 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5834675f022b 00:00:49 i would probably just remove it! thats just me though 00:01:01 I'm something of a packrat ... 00:01:02 as i said, its a really personal thing and i dont know if that would fit as a normal rc thing 00:01:05 hey! i brought it up first :( 00:01:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1500-g6a017cb (34) 00:01:20 ??rebuild 00:01:20 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:01:49 wheals: sorry 00:02:01 no, it's ok :P 00:02:22 i actually learned it from someone else when i was trying to disable autosac on ely and nem 00:02:33 like, i think if players cared about unidentified decks they would color them as such in their rc. i dont think it would be a really popular opinion to color them if and only if youre with nem 00:02:34 I guess I wanted to make it clear that simmarine didn't want to impose that on anybody ;-) 00:02:37 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:03:34 * SamB rebuilds cszo accordingly 00:03:35 * Sequell also rebuilds cszo accordingly 00:03:50 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1501-g5834675 (34) 00:05:27 |amethyst: hmm, I'm seeing a few warnings there that I don't see here ... 00:05:50 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1499-g388a102 (34) 00:06:42 darn, that's the brown one isn't it 00:09:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11:09 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1501-g5834675 (34) 00:12:43 so, does somebody with access to Ruffell want to kick off a "rebuild"? 00:12:58 or do you think brown is good enough for them europeans 00:19:27 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:21 let them eat brown 00:21:32 seeing blue in item pick up prompts seems weird 00:21:55 perhaps it might be better to colourize inventory rather than everything? 00:22:21 well, I like when useless items get colored on the ground 00:22:28 or colourize everything everywhere 00:22:29 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: No buffer space available] 00:22:58 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:23:24 discorobin 00:23:31 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1501-g5834675 (34) 00:23:50 kilobyte: maybe you arent used to it? :P 00:24:10 hmm are ego weapons/armour blue? i think they are, but i havent played in about a week or so 00:24:12 I'm not used to it either 00:24:41 I just got tired of having to scrutinize things so closely to keep from trying to quaff/read-ID things I'd already IDed 00:24:43 yes im not used to having grey colored unid items on robins, its really annoying 00:24:44 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 00:24:54 especially jewellery though, i dont know why 00:25:00 i guess scrolls stand out since THEYRE IN CAPS 00:25:24 -!- elinari has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:33:10 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:34:39 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:53 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:29 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:56 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37:54 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 00:39:27 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:22 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1501-g5834675 00:57:46 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 00:59:02 -!- eith|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:05:16 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: tigertrap] 01:05:36 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 01:11:40 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:18:17 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:12 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:46:56 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:48:51 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 01:53:13 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1499-g388a102 (34) 01:53:50 -!- reaverbot has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:32 ugh, I don't know why I spent so long doing this caste race writeup 01:59:25 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 02:03:08 the worst part is that now it's good enough that tavern doesn't deserve it 02:08:31 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:02 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:12 -!- BorekL is now known as Mandevil 02:13:17 Do we want player clouds to decay faster outside of LOS? 02:15:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:06 -!- NilsBloodaxe_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:18:51 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:25:54 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: goodbug] 02:26:05 -!- hauki has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:26:31 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:26:45 sure, go for it 02:27:47 there's a patch somewhere on mantis i think 02:28:29 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5548 02:29:14 I guess I'll upload my patch to that ticket ;) 02:29:38 (they should just not place out of los rather than decay faster, as is discussed on the ticket i think) 02:30:00 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:34:23 MarvinPA: uploaded. Maybe someone will come by and upload some combination of cloud patches 02:34:48 galehar's patch special cases the player, mine doesn't. 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260 seconds] 11:39:12 * SamB wonders if that's gonna be real HTML or just crawl markup 11:43:34 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:37 !seen galehar 11:43:37 I last saw galehar at Sat Dec 14 21:05:47 2013 UTC (20h 37m 49s ago) saying 'reaverbot: something like that. Although if your queue is a priority queue, you don't have to go through it all. Trigger events until you find one which trigger hasn't expired yet.' on ##crawl-dev. 11:46:23 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:47:09 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:49:49 rip |amethyst 11:50:38 Grunt: I'm thinking of committing some combination of these patches: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5548 11:51:31 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:51:40 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 11:54:46 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 11:55:52 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58:30 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:58:32 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:42 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 12:01:55 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:05 hmm, now that I finally realized my browser was waiting for me to approve the session to resume, I see it was indeed just crawl markup ... 12:05:25 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:05:27 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 12:09:50 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:02 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:10:04 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 12:12:07 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:21:27 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:21:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:18 -!- Node_176 is now known as Weeksy 12:25:35 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:56 -!- ZRN has quit [Client Quit] 12:38:01 |amethyst: wb 12:38:11 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38:22 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 12:38:36 <|amethyst> SamB: connected from home since cszo's ISP is kaput 12:39:32 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:31 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:06 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Komodo.png hi 12:48:06 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 12:53:14 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:52 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:56:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1502-gc042693: Prioritize unidentified message colour over uncursed. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c04269391806 12:59:10 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Komodoer.png version without shitty shadow of suckage 12:59:10 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 12:59:53 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:07:03 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:51 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:16:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:44 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:56 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:38 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:05 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:31 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:10 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:37 !seen |amethyst 13:42:37 I last saw |amethyst at Tue Nov 26 22:20:09 2013 UTC (2w 4d 21h 22m 28s ago) saying 'Cedor: when you kill one, you get either a spriggan or a giant firefly' on ##crawl-dev. 13:42:50 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:01 |amethyst: crawl.s-z.org appears unreachable from my corner of the internet 13:44:32 <|amethyst> !learn edit is_cszo_down[1] s/$/ The entire ISP seems to be down at the moment./ 13:44:32 is cszo down[1/3]: Yes! The entire ISP seems to be down at the moment. 13:44:38 ouch 13:45:06 crawl ec2? :) 13:45:20 <|amethyst> I think they probably screwed something up when doing the IP address migration 13:45:43 sounds like someone is having a bad Sunday 13:45:44 <|amethyst> CSZO switched to the new IPs a week or two ago, but I think today was the day the old ones were scheduled to be shut down 13:45:56 <|amethyst> it's been down for about 2 hours or so 13:47:36 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:47:44 -!- LordLovebone has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:49:57 It's probably just somebody creating a dgl account called "snowden" or something, so the NSA seized your ISP's network 13:49:57 greensnark: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:50:29 ooo zing. 13:50:46 What would the NSA care if someone was snowbound? 13:52:26 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:29 They're jealous because Fort Meade gets hardly any 13:52:43 what exactly is "one_chance_in(3)? env.absdepth0 * 3" calculating? 13:53:23 Is that like what is the sound of one hand clapping? Because you've left out half the expression :P 13:53:26 tenofswords: what's the rest of the expression? 13:53:54 const int treasure_item = items(1, glopop, OBJ_RANDOM, true, one_chance_in(3)? env.absdepth0 * 3 : MAKE_GOOD_ITEM, MAKE_ITEM_RANDOM_RACE); if (treasure_item != NON_ITEM) mitm[treasure_item].pos = end; 13:54:22 May I just say that whoever named the variable "glopop" is my hero forever 13:54:38 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:54:59 considering how old this code is you would probably have one of the best chances of guessing 13:55:45 So 2/3 of the time it's MAKE_GOOD_ITEM, the other 1/3 the item level is 3 * absdepth0 13:55:56 What treasure item is this? 13:56:16 it's lab loot 13:56:20 Ah 13:56:31 I can't recall how item level is used really 13:57:03 tenofswords: wizlab or labs? 13:57:11 latter 13:57:49 I've got a bit of an idea for a diplomatic solution to the ...heavy opinions people have about the whole thing 13:58:22 tenofswords: just delete labs :) 13:58:29 ??sokoban 13:58:29 I don't have a page labeled sokoban in my learndb. 13:58:33 now see that's not diplomatic 13:58:51 I'm about as diplomatic as a sledge hammer. 13:58:56 ??labyrinth 13:58:57 labyrinth[1/5]: Look for a cyan \ (or arch depending on your character set) on a level where you hear an "ancient clock" or "distant snort". (1-in-15 chance per level, once per game). Hurry, it times out after a while (you get urgent-sounding messages). Note that magic mapping is likely to show where the lab entrance is. 13:59:02 !learn add sokoban see {labyrinth} 13:59:02 sokoban[1/1]: see {labyrinth} 13:59:41 it is a shame that the obvious second part of the work here is something I've got no idea how to do 14:02:33 -!- xnavy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:55 -!- xnavy is now known as Guest22908 14:02:55 -!- Guest22908 has quit [Killed (morgan.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 14:02:56 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 14:04:12 or we can make labs just prompt "are you sure you want to starve?" and then the maze has no way out 14:04:30 (I'm setting up a monster function and weaker loot function for most of the lab furniture vaults so that looking around in a giant maze doesn't impugn on the actually substantial part of crawl [fighting]) 14:08:38 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:09:39 (what, no opinions at _all_?) 14:11:18 Sounds better than the current Lab setup 14:11:31 Although, given the starvation warnings, they should probably leave no corpses 14:12:05 Labs could also use wider corridors 14:12:08 Are they still 1 wide? 14:12:17 Combat in 1-wide corridors is boring 14:12:28 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:31 don't worry, I'm planning around that 14:12:41 and there's a monster tag that never gives corpses 14:12:43 -!- hauki has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:13:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:14 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:14:12 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:04 (actually, I might be yelled at for using a boulder beetle...) 14:17:13 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:43 -!- xnavy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:43 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 14:21:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:46 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:24:50 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 14:28:55 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:48 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:49 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:27 -!- xnavy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:25 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:32 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:38:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:51 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:39:06 tenofswords: what's wrong with current labs? For newbies, this is an interesting "how do I do this?" task, for oldies who don't suck it takes minutes or two. Labs can be boring only if you failed to learn how to do them. 14:39:22 completely unlike Sokoban, which was all about memorizing the only correct solution 14:39:42 how quick does one become an oldie in this scenario 14:39:52 and who says it always takes a few minutes 14:39:57 as quickly as you can learn 14:40:05 so, trivially, potentially 14:40:07 yes, usually it's around two minutes 14:40:23 usually its 2 mins but sometimes you get a really bad one that forces you to take a long route 14:40:39 i once quit a game because i realized, i'd have more fun starting a new character than continuing my current one 14:41:23 there is a reason I mentioned diplomacy 14:41:26 i've done that for all sorts of reasons though, some times a bit capriciously 14:42:11 oh hey lemuel_statue_altar, that technically spawns in labs now due to the changes not needing tags to place vaults in labs 14:42:16 I wonder what happens if I 14:42:25 yeah, crash from the hatch 14:43:43 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 14:47:56 ugh, using an unqualified depth without a negation 14:48:15 tenofswords: which branches do you think that vault should spawn in? 14:49:42 crypt depths elf forest orc D V 14:50:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:50:39 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:50:51 no Lair, ok 14:51:32 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:33 hrm, I can't make sure there's always one non-minotaur vault without cutting the dummy, and without the dummy the lab gets way too many minivaults 14:52:28 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:15 cszo seems to be down at the moment 14:53:17 ?is_cszo_down 14:53:20 ??is_cszo_down 14:53:20 is cszo down[1/3]: Yes! The entire ISP seems to be down at the moment. 14:53:24 aha 14:54:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1503-gfcfcbb1: Make a few symbols static. 10(13 hours ago, 3 files, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcfcbb18f554 14:54:14 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1504-g3f0416d: Explicitely list branches in lemuel_statue_altar. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f0416d3c365 14:54:48 !lm * god.convert place=lab 14:54:49 No keyword 'god.convert' 14:55:27 is there a reason to keep Mislead? It seems to be a pure interface screw. 14:55:49 kilobyte: oh, I finally reported this problem you ran into with -Og: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59515 14:56:30 kilobyte: hmm, who was it who last suggested we remove that ... was that you too? 14:57:37 I wonder what the criteria for randart autopickup is. 14:57:39 The amulet "Loilead" {Inacc Str-3 Dex-1}. 14:57:53 I thought it was "don't"? 14:57:58 by default 14:58:15 is there a way to choose what to pick up in lua? 14:58:32 besides generating regexen at rc load time 14:58:35 yes 14:58:44 ??ellipticrc 14:58:44 ellipticrc[1/2]: http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/elliptic.rc 14:59:08 That artefact pickup thing is extremely nice. Should really be an easier way to enable that. 14:59:40 oh, that's down 14:59:44 Oh right :P 15:00:03 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-git/Medar.rc 15:00:10 and elliptic is down too 15:00:44 nice 15:00:57 do we have documentation for that? 15:01:13 I don't actually now, but I doubt it. 15:01:21 I mean, the existance of the hook, at least 15:01:21 *know 15:02:12 I kind of feel like the configuration guide should reference these in/near the descriptions of the related options 15:02:29 even though the actual lua API is not properly documented 15:02:59 * SamB wonders how we should document the lua API 15:03:04 luadoc seems a bust 15:03:22 it's really not that great a tool 15:05:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:05:14 kilobyte: so if you want to weigh in on that bug or CC yourself, go ahead ... 15:05:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 15:07:03 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:10:37 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:54 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:20 got nothing meaningful to add, except that it's a bitch when looking up grd(c) values, which I guess doesn't interest GCC folks 15:12:33 I don 15:12:54 I don't run stress tests with -O0, as -Og is around twice as fast 15:13:38 -O2 or -Ofast -flto would be faster, of course, but I want to be able to debug :p 15:13:55 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:25 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:17:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:16 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:20 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1505-g02256d3: Support and formatted string tags in WebTiles 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=02256d318a68 15:25:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:28:12 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:48 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29:39 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:32:36 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:11 |amethyst: do you know where the top score for zigsprint came from? 15:33:20 ??lg 15:33:21 listgame[1/6]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.md 15:33:44 !lg * max=score sprint map=zigsprint -log 15:33:45 No games for * (sprint map=zigsprint). 15:33:51 !lg * max=score sprint map=~zig -log 15:33:52 No games for * (sprint map=~zig). 15:34:57 -!- zazu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:36:02 kilobyte: I agree that mislead isn't very functional. It's only relevant if you happen to have hostile enemies in LOS and you don't remember which is which after mislead 15:36:19 It's pretty amusing to look at, but it doesn't do much 15:37:01 gammafunk: it works on monsters that come into LOS afterward too :P 15:37:26 once I corrupted a level and got misled at the same time, on vaults:5, it was hilarious/terrifying 15:37:26 it should blink all monsters in LoS when it happens :J 15:37:26 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:37:37 !messages 15:37:37 (1/2) Bloax said (2h 49m 31s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Komodo.png hi 15:37:38 Yeah, that's true. It still doesn't affect the outcome of the fight very much in my experience 15:37:41 !messages 15:37:41 (1/1) Bloax said (2h 38m 31s ago): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Komodoer.png version without shitty shadow of suckage 15:37:54 it's mattered for me a couple times 15:37:55 kilobyte: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5548 do you want to scrap the whole thing? 15:38:11 it seems to lack back legs which is kinda dumb 15:38:16 but good luck squeezing them in 15:39:07 komodo 15:39:29 i'll see if maybe i can fit some legs on it??? 15:39:33 thanks 15:39:41 mislead tends to matter if other monsters come into view while fighting (or fleeing) mara 15:41:22 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:47 I just found two other bugs with mislead 15:43:02 bh: can you think of a scenario where this expiration would help avoid abuse? 15:43:06 i might have to flip this komodo so it doesn't look like a crocodile 15:43:19 kilobyte: peek around a corner and whack some guys with freezing clouds 15:43:36 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:43:49 bh: works same no matter if there's a corner or not 15:44:18 LOS limits your exposure to ranged attacks 15:44:52 tisk tisk tisk, generate_awake minotaur can nearly kill himself on the traps in one of his vaults 15:44:56 ontoclasm: spoilers: it is a crocodile 15:45:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45:09 or at least it was until i edited it to not look like one 15:45:38 so does walking away (a monster who stops to cast a spell just went outwards of your LOS) 15:45:49 tenofswords: traps, you don't need to say anything more 15:46:06 well yes it'd be trivial to cut those traps 15:46:23 I was hoping to just do that weird special casing where monsters native to a branch don't trigger the traps or something 15:47:20 also how in the world do you not know how abusive it can be to make a monster take damage without being able to retaliate 15:48:28 no one ever thinks of the poor monsters 15:48:46 kilobyte: you're oversimplifying. Flooding a corridor around a corner is much stronger than casting it in the open 15:49:27 in the open yes, a corridor without a bend not really 15:49:43 also, what does forest fire have to do with it? We're talking only magical clouds, direct result of a spell 15:49:57 you also already can't flood the part out of sight without poking your head out 15:50:09 yes you can? 15:50:28 which exposes you exactly as much as stopping a turn to cast the spell while walking 15:51:22 I give this obtuseness a 7/10 15:51:42 galehar: forest fires have their source set, so you get xp. They're currently not distinguishable from the result of Conjure Flame or Firestorm. 15:52:00 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:27 well, maybe that should be changed then 15:53:41 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:48 forest fire is a second effect. It can spread out of LOS, but no XP 15:54:16 ... 15:54:43 why would it be different to kill people you can see compared to those you don't? 15:54:57 poison, sticky flame, etc, already can do this 15:55:02 more important to lower abuse of said forest fires 15:55:10 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:55:17 it's more fun to see them when they die? 15:55:26 something about summons comes to mind 15:55:52 You feel a bit more entertained. 15:56:56 hrm, that fix for cloud info leak didn't actually get pushed 15:57:45 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:58:40 #5138 16:00:15 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:21 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:59 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:06:00 I like mumra's idea: On the other hand you could treat out-of-LOS as open space, but not actually create any of the clouds that would fall outside LOS. 16:06:20 bh: btw, I didn't wrote those patches. Naruni did 16:07:57 four paragraphs for this commit comment 16:07:57 galehar: ah 16:08:02 I wonder how many will read it 16:08:25 neither the patch in #5138 nor those in #5548 work (I'm talking about fixing the info leak + placement, not magically dissipating them) 16:14:16 -!- halv has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:48 tenofswords: I read them all. :) 16:20:48 -!- _159 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:20:57 Usually... 16:21:01 how heartwarming 16:21:23 me too :) 16:21:28 I like to know what's happening. ;) 16:21:34 I print them and put them on my walls 16:22:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1506-gf81fc34: Remove Mislead. 10(47 minutes ago, 36 files, 35+ 331-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f81fc34f7f4f 16:22:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1507-g3381686: Fix Mara link going out of sync if you save+reload. 10(35 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3381686bf661 16:22:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1508-g8ebc43e: Limit cloud spells to caster's LOS. 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ebc43ee9846 16:22:07 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:49 too bad about mislead, i thought it was a nice bit of flavor 16:23:19 (yes it was almost completely irrelevant) 16:23:54 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:24:05 the cloud thing is cool though! 16:24:12 thats just creation though, right? 16:24:31 I'm still cleaning up support code needed for mislead 16:24:36 yeah 16:24:57 that commit changes cloud placement quite a lot, in ways I'm not sure are good 16:25:25 for example, if you're in a corridor, you will hit yourself most of the time 16:25:40 oh, out of los counts as a wall? 16:25:46 http://sprunge.us/fEha - labyrinth revision, "adding" threat/loot minivaults and waking up the minotaur 16:25:47 (somehow cloud size is always 8, 9 or 10) 16:26:18 (pinging |amethyst or |amethys1 or whatever) 16:27:17 wow, those are long paragraphs 16:28:07 there's been a lot of debate around this mess 16:28:25 I felt that it was important to make sure I'm not misunderstood 16:28:31 (just ignored, obviously) 16:29:32 -!- Nightbeer is now known as Ladykiller69 16:29:59 tenofswords: 'labirynth' 16:30:22 sticking my tongue out at my monitor right now 16:30:48 Have to have a typo, to see if anyone reads it. 16:30:51 I don't want to check in a typo :) 16:31:16 just fix it in the push 16:33:05 note the placement of y vs i: http://translate.google.com/#auto/pl/labyrinth 16:34:17 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=labyrinth%2C+labirynth&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Clabyrinth%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Clabirynth%3B%2Cc0 16:35:06 huh -- this is interesting https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=labyrinth%2Cmaze&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Clabyrinth%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cmaze%3B%2Cc0 16:37:19 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1509-g0a4ce06: Further simplify Mislead/Mara/Rakshasa code. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 47+ 89-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a4ce0628494 16:37:39 -!- zazu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:42:25 Mara's description mentions mislead btw. 16:43:01 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:49:13 yeah, but this can be understood to be fluff 16:49:52 do you have another wording in mind? 16:50:15 why was mislead rmeoved? 16:50:16 Not really. 16:50:36 I agree it's okay the way it is. 16:51:27 Flex: Read the commit message. 16:51:55 -!- halv has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:54:23 tenofswords: i like of you make it really clear that you hate labyrinths and want them to be removed :) 16:54:32 s/of/how 16:54:44 well, that replace wouldnt work, but oh well 16:55:44 I don't want to cut labs! 16:56:01 I want to make them unrecognizable :P 16:56:33 Mara's spells work pretty weird, by the way: his description talks about illusions, yet what he does is cloning self or the player. 16:57:01 i think those summons are supposed to be illusions that are so powerful they can hurt you, or something 16:57:02 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 16:57:05 they are very powerful illusions that can throw fireballs 16:57:10 i think of shadow creatures and flaying as the same type of thing 16:58:10 Mara (13R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 140 | AC/EV: 10/14 | Dam: 30 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4614 | Sp: blink; mislead, b.fire (3d27), mara summon, illusion, b.pain (d17), 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:58:10 %??Mara 16:58:29 the only thing here is just that 3*3d27 is pretty hefty damage 16:58:57 thats kind of the point i think? 16:59:22 oh wow, what is b.pain? 16:59:24 just regular pain? 16:59:35 yes it's a cantrip 16:59:57 see executioner pain 17:00:20 yeah i didnt remember executioner pain either :) 17:00:30 its nice though 17:00:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1510-g4fabb49: Change Mara's description. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fabb49d17ce 17:04:00 While we are on the subject (almost): https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2440 17:04:10 Happened upon that the other day, any reason why the patch is not in? 17:05:39 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:56 Should Pikel's slaves really wander around randomly when freed? Seems to me they should make their way to the upstairs and try to escape the dungeon. 17:07:05 Just my thoughts, though.:) 17:07:29 Medar: works for me without the patch 17:07:39 What works? 17:08:07 Just go invis, only the real one will not be stabbable 17:08:16 both real and fake rakshasas are shown as being able to see invisible, neither roared during my testing 17:08:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:31 ah, I see 17:08:54 Also the MR thing is there too, that rob mentions in the last comment. 17:09:52 If only I could come up with as unique and thematic an ability as what mara has for a certain minotaur.... 17:10:17 give it mislead 17:10:19 -!- eb has quit [] 17:10:21 haha 17:10:48 It's unique ability: it copies abilitiies from other uniques! 17:10:59 s/It's/Its/ 17:11:25 chimera unique? 17:11:41 Yeah, if chimeras weren't pretty bad monsters right now 17:11:49 Well, the box of beasts is bad 17:12:27 By that I just mean that it seems to have a poor power curve wrt to what monsters it generates over the evocations range 17:14:34 as a text based format for that it'd be pretty easy for anybody to edit it given a spreadsheet 17:14:47 ahem 17:14:47 Medar: Abyssal Hydrataur 17:15:12 -!- djanatyn has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:17:20 tenofswords: you mean 'amen' 17:17:31 huh, the curves here are all PEAK, with no SEMI in sight 17:17:58 I haven't used the box of beasts much but it is definitely plausible to rebalance 17:18:09 -!- liquid is now known as Guest44418 17:18:21 (I volunteer gammafunk) 17:18:34 tenofswords: But you're good at enemy lists and spreadsheets! 17:18:39 I can't even make one good minotaur 17:18:42 -!- evilmike has quit [] 17:19:14 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:19:48 and how did I get good at them in the first place 17:20:48 Superior genetics? 17:20:53 I'll go with that 17:21:04 No, I should look into the chimera monster thing 17:23:38 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:23:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as aaa 17:23:44 -!- Jebus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:59 -!- aaa is now known as its 17:24:32 -!- its is now known as kva 17:24:45 -!- kva is now known as Tux[Qyou] 17:24:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:42 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:50 03Kurper02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.14-a0-1511-gaa44ba7: Made fake rakshasas more similar to real rakshasas - both now can see invisible. 10(3 years, 3 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa44ba77267b 17:35:34 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:11 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 17:38:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:39:05 kilobyte: Thanks. What about the MR thing? 17:43:00 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 17:43:04 both say "It is extremely resistant to hostile enchantments." 17:43:21 Yeah, but if you actually try casting something, you get different messages. 17:43:39 That's pretty minor of course. 17:45:54 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:04 what's a fake rakshasa 17:48:33 Copy made by normal rakshasa 17:49:11 oh, like those fake megamans when you fight like three megamans who can shoot diagonally 17:49:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:17 but only one of them can be shot at 17:49:26 or more accurately, hit 17:49:49 (isn't it so cheaty that they can shoot diagonally?) 17:49:50 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:29 fake rakshasas using more charges than a wand has by replicating it 17:50:38 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:52:25 hah 17:55:35 SamB: The items not yet recognised screen is now very colourful. I guess that's kind of a bug. 17:56:06 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:56:12 Or not, who knows. Anyway scrolls/options are brown there. 17:57:15 hmm 17:57:31 is this on RHF ? 17:57:46 Lantea 17:58:01 I didn't see the rebuild note for that, is that at 1499? 17:58:08 Let me just try on my own server 17:58:21 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:37 anyway I changed the color to lightblue, and it should also afflict jewellery 17:59:52 (not that it's meant to affect that screen particularly) 18:00:18 I disagree about mislead being a "pure interface screw" 18:00:31 if something comes into LOS while you're misled, you can't figure out what it is most of the time 18:00:42 Medar: anyway, you should easily be able to see what I did ... 18:00:51 (as in, it actually does prevent you from knowing what monsters are what) 18:01:39 SamB: I can, just pointing out the effect on \-screen. It looks much worse now, especially with the blue IMO. 18:02:02 Since the titles are dark blue 18:03:12 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:27 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:05:15 that bat vault is funny 18:05:17 Flex: That happening and actually mattering in practice was really rare in my experience. 18:06:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06:43 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:06:47 SamB: It's consistant I guess. And I don't really like the blue in my inventory either, but I guess it might just need some getting used to. 18:07:00 Medar: it mattered to me the last couple times I fought Mara 18:07:28 although it was very obviously buggy, so there's that 18:07:34 I saw things like "large skeleton skeletons" 18:07:55 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08:00 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:41 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:42 Why doesn't the 'auto_list' rc file option support the 'auto: foo' or by-category selection? This is really inconvenient. 18:10:01 Because no-one found it useful enough to code it? 18:11:51 Medar: Okay, it was not a very smart question, I must agree. 18:13:37 * tenofswords coughs, waiting for more people to look at http://sprunge.us/fEha 18:14:14 tenofswords: getting a 500 error on that 18:14:33 * paulsomebody is getting 500 "Internal Server Error". 18:14:43 It was just too much text. 18:15:00 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 18:15:05 ... 18:15:25 oh, sprunge itself is being weird 18:15:44 http://pastie.org/pastes/8554777/text 18:18:16 Medar: I'll feature-request it at Mantis, then. 18:18:46 Mantis is not for feature requests, really 18:19:18 I don't really know where that should go though 18:19:41 if I didn't oppose the constant split-up of communication I'd say a post on devwiki 18:24:36 i quaffed a potion of xp and gained evo, and for one screen display after that the game said my max mp was 24 18:24:40 now it says 15 18:24:46 i assume this is because i'm a dd 18:25:36 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:46 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:25:53 you've recharged wands, I'm guessing 18:25:58 yes 18:26:08 yeah, something probably wasn't updated/applied in time 18:28:45 kilobyte: 18:29:22 kilobyte: 0a4ce06 made rakshasas/Mara fakes show as "summoned" 18:29:52 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30:00 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 18:30:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:32:46 -!- Tarragon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:34:40 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:34:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1512-gafc6cdb: Don't let fake raksasas/Maras show as "summoned". 10(79 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=afc6cdbb1310 18:36:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 18:36:32 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 18:39:16 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: tigertrap] 18:41:09 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:07 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46:39 tenofswords: Okay, where should that feature request go, in your opinion? 18:47:45 (devwiki) 18:48:47 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:49:24 what about a version of mislead that just makes fake monsters occasionally show up out of nowhere/run into your LOS, so that you have no idea which are real or fake 18:52:29 so kind of like rakshasa clones except for actual monsters? 18:53:12 -!- Tarragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:53:24 tenofswords: Okay, thanks. 18:53:49 -!- djanatyn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:57:31 Well, the clones do damage and need to be killed. 18:58:47 The illusions could disappear when they get next to you, so they never actually block you (well, could block blink). 18:59:07 Don't know, might be interesting. 19:03:09 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 19:03:14 another weird thing: fake rakshasas have 1 hp, no spells and are harmless. Fake Mara, on the other hand, is as powerful as the original, save for the ability to summon. 19:03:46 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1513-gcb37d2e: An overflow Kikubaaqudgha altar by kennysheep. 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 26+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb37d2e5e1cc 19:03:46 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1514-g78389bb: A bunch of vaults by kennysheep. 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 134+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=78389bb46f31 19:04:27 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:46