00:00:29 well we aren't going to have a D:17 so I don't see the point 00:01:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:04:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:05:11 perhaps something with both D and U? 00:05:20 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:05:21 like, say, "Down Under"? 00:05:49 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-832-g11d3004 (34) 00:06:01 Audstralia 00:06:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-832-g11d3004 (34) 00:06:17 except that's an awful name of course 00:06:23 I still say Deeps is better 00:06:29 Derps 00:06:30 also Underdark terrible because people would expect to see Drow maybe 00:06:56 SwissStopwatch: Dork Elves sit in Elf instead 00:07:16 Deep Elves aren't very drowish somehow 00:10:40 kilobyte: oh, I think you missed the comments in store.h about the serialized sizes (and size limits) of those two collection types ... 00:13:50 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:50 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:34 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 00:19:02 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:48 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:16 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-833-g41c3f7e: Drop a couple of outdated comments. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c3f7e50b1f 00:28:16 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-834-g6d57565: Fix handling of hash tables bigger than 65535 elements. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d5756594c59 00:29:00 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:29:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:35:53 -!- Snufkin_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:07 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:59 -!- Diabl0658 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:49:57 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:52:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:56 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:56:32 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:39 -!- tbigye has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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My game (as LogicNinja) on CSZ is currently bugged--I have no Vaults because I have no Depths; Vautls is showing up in Ctrl+O as being in Depths. Plz help kthx., :) 04:47:47 LogicNinja_: what do you have on D:16? 04:48:21 -!- keszocze has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:50:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:01 -!- LogicNinja_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:55:27 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:55:42 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:56:55 -!- LogicNinja has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:59 Whoops, crashed. 04:57:05 On D:16? Nothing. More dungeon. 04:58:59 Is that where the runelock goes, kilobyte? 05:01:08 disappearing corpse by skyspire 05:01:37 -!- Mateji has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:04:38 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:11:09 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:30:04 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30:38 -!- nonethousand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:55 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 05:34:26 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:36:27 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:44:16 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:52:08 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:59:13 -!- Ragnor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:14 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.] 06:21:45 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:16 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:24:18 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:37:04 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:37:34 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:40 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 06:40:59 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Elena] 06:44:28 my game won't be much help now because i still finished it somehow 06:44:34 but vaults entrance never spawned 06:44:42 hell gates never spawned, abyss gates never spawned 06:44:55 ctrl-o stated that the vaults were on D:2-5 06:45:01 and depths entrance was a mimic, spawning on D:27 06:45:30 logicninja seemed to have the exact same situation i did 06:56:15 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:03:31 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:49 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:26 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27:32 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:28:29 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:35 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:32:02 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:21 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:54 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:39:26 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:47:07 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 07:47:18 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:47:21 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:47:47 -!- Weretaco has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:49:50 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 07:52:52 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:53:15 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 07:54:44 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:42 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:02:45 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 08:14:07 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:07 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:28 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:25:38 -!- herself has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 08:30:36 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:42 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:42 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 08:30:42 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:45 -!- badplayer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:43:30 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:25 -!- Mateji has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:59:31 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:00:22 changelog nitpick: "Formicids possess four strong arms to use many weapons together with shields" should use "large" instead of "many", currently it sounds like they can wield multiple weapons at once 09:03:15 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:59 Is it okay that there is no mention of the kind "you can sustain at most ... creatures created with this magic" in the Simulacrum spell description? 09:04:22 ...should I post bug reports about such things on Mantis? 09:04:37 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05:00 Is there a cap on simulacrum? 09:05:36 If not, nothing is missing and there is no bug 09:05:58 I think there is. 09:07:05 I don't, but I don't use Simulacrum... 09:07:15 Seems to be one. Whenever I try to flood someone particularly unpleasant with hydrae simulacra, after some point, "nothing happens". 09:07:47 Maybe there's no space? 09:08:01 If the summon cant place, it doesn't 09:09:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-835-g16eb35d: Don't say "many weapons" in formicid changelog entry (alefury). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=16eb35d1fea4 09:10:37 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:10 alefury: Could be the case. 09:12:25 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:40 alefury: Summons can place in the same space as affected by TSO's cleansing flame, right? 09:18:07 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:40 i dont know 09:18:49 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:14 summon cap doesn't give the "nothing happens" message though afaik 09:19:16 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:37 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 09:25:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:29:47 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 09:37:02 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:05 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:39:05 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:00 -!- dg__ has quit [] 09:41:40 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-836-g5210f43: Properly try to place branch entrances in old games. 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5210f4319731 09:42:26 was that why my ^O screen said that zot was on D:5? 09:42:50 No, that's actually completely unrelated. 09:47:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-836-g5210f43 (34) 09:49:35 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:53:01 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-836-g5210f43 (34) 09:54:59 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 09:58:09 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-836-g5210f43 (34) 09:58:44 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:44 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 09:58:44 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:29 -!- Fv001 has quit [Client Quit] 10:01:33 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:02:46 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:04:24 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:05:24 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.0/20130918041159]] 10:07:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:12:08 Bad ?/M for Slime Creature by Whales 10:12:08 Purple slime creature by Whales 10:14:33 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:15:09 -!- swwdwdwda has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:19:47 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:34 -!- MDvedh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:36 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21:42 Hi there 10:21:45 -!- Blackskull has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:22:00 How do I include new .des files for game to see it? 10:25:27 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:35 MDvedh: I think you would have better luck asking on ##crawl-dev channel. 10:25:41 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 10:26:36 I'm pretty sure its ##crawl-dev channel. 10:29:30 MDvedh, I'm assuming you're not building the game yourself? 10:29:54 I'm totally building it. 10:29:59 Oh, okay. 10:30:35 In that case, just put the .des file in crawl-ref/source/dat/des and install the game somewhere and the install process will set the game up to recognise it. 10:31:25 Thank you very much 10:34:51 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:42:00 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:00 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 10:44:00 -!- CKyle_ is now known as CKyle 10:45:12 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:20 -!- MDvedh has left ##crawl-dev 10:46:32 so do i get 27 levels of D and then depths on top of that now? 10:46:36 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:46:53 maybe i shouldn't have transferred this game 10:47:19 what 10:47:31 MarvinPA: no, Zot is still on D:27 in your game. 10:47:45 Anyways, how have people taken the change 10:47:49 ah ok, depths just shows up on ctrl+o to confuse me :P 10:50:02 !lm * br.enter=depths 10:50:03 No milestones for * (br.enter=depths). 10:50:12 ...nobody has witnessed the change to see how it's changed <_< 10:57:37 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:14 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 11:02:55 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:10:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:15:36 !tell ontoclasm Any luck with the snow/ice tiles? 11:15:37 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 11:18:20 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:55 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:19:08 I may just be biased because I just lost a game because of this 11:19:22 but isnt it kinda stupid that orc priests can chain smite? 11:19:59 Well it's also the strongest ranged attack for its depth. 11:20:08 And it's also smite targetted and only avoidable by breaking LOS! 11:20:54 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 11:22:13 at few turns between smiting wouldnt hurt the gameplay 11:22:40 and make it something you can react to if you havent even had the chance to ID curing yet 11:22:44 It'd make them less like earlygame super-hellions. 11:23:05 what were you doing in its LOS for so long, anyway 11:23:17 -!- gregunderscorem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:23:27 it is already something you can react to by leaving, yes 11:23:27 I was smited thrice in guess how many turns 11:23:34 two turns? 11:23:43 three 11:23:49 doesn't sound that bad then 11:24:02 uh 11:24:05 by one priest 11:24:22 you've had three turns to get out of its LOS 11:24:28 not really 11:24:30 if you tried but couldn't, well, better luck next time :P 11:24:35 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:24:48 um, yes, you weren't paralyzed or something, were you? 11:24:58 after the fact 11:25:46 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:48 let me put it this way 11:25:58 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:26:13 how would it hurt the game if they could not smite for, say, two or so turns after smiting 11:26:42 it wouldn't change it in the slightest, people who like hanging out in the LOS of orc priests would still get what they deserve ;P 11:26:48 <|amethyst> It would make it a lot easier to kill them by pressing tab 11:27:20 it would hurt by removing the certified Good Feature (tm) of having an enemy completely fuck you up too early 11:27:52 and people who havent even had the chance to ID curing potions yet would have the chance to do so because its their only chance to survive 11:27:56 because corridors with sidepaths leading to an orc party very nearby don't exist 11:27:58 orc priests are one of those few relatively early monsters that are honestly not pushover, deal with it 11:28:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:28:02 -!- ckyle_ is now known as ckyle 11:28:21 yes 11:28:22 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: did you teleport or take stairs into the middle of the pack? 11:28:33 step around a corner 11:28:40 not the middle 11:28:43 just 11:28:47 kinda close 11:28:49 <|amethyst> then step back around the same corner 11:29:01 uh 11:29:10 you do have a concept of how distance works right? 11:29:48 <|amethyst> I guess not 11:29:51 because if I step back around the corner they are still close 11:29:53 as the priest just right behind the corner? 11:30:07 close enough to invalidate running away 11:30:18 you saw an orc pack and then walked towards it 11:30:28 no 11:30:40 yes, i just watched it 11:30:46 Well you broke the LOS to the priest, congratulations! 11:31:05 I didnt see the priest 11:31:12 Now you just gotta go through this entire corridor and up some stairs while suffering smite attacks until the priest has fallen behind far enough! 11:31:20 you could safely assume that there was going to be one 11:31:35 You could also not attack anything with a glowing weapon until d:7 11:31:37 its not about my specific game 11:31:39 Bloax, do you have an actual point? 11:31:41 because it could be electrocution! 11:31:42 I know I fuck up 11:31:50 the point is 11:32:03 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:10 its impossible to predict whats around a fucking corner 11:32:17 <|amethyst> The point is you want to make the monster so easy that it's no problem to defeat even if you fuck up 11:32:22 you did, in fact, see the priest. without it noticing you even 11:32:23 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:32:28 and then you walked towards it 11:32:28 and not having time to react really eliminates the point of the game 11:32:30 well, if you see a bunch of orcs, it's safe to assume there's nothing good around the corner 11:32:44 the point is 11:32:59 they can do curepot damage every turn 11:33:05 <|amethyst> so can centaurs 11:33:11 the point is deaths like these are almost always caused by poor play, and this is an excellent demonstration of that 11:33:13 <|amethyst> so can ogres 11:33:22 Early game fights feature more severe consequences due to bad rolls because of a smaller player/monster HP (among other things) but this is a property which holds for literally every early game fight 11:33:25 centaurs are usually alone 11:33:35 and are less likely to spawn that early 11:33:47 and ogres 11:33:49 are MEELE 11:34:14 1learn add MEELE 11:34:21 Unless you're crazy and go Chei dying to ogres is either recklessness or very bad play. 11:34:30 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:34:40 or if they just randomly turn up behind you from stairs 11:34:51 Grunt: I don't understand your last commit: I just re-checked three transferred saves of different ages, all of them plaed Zot on D:27 and Vaults where appropriate 11:35:11 Grunt: am I missing something? 11:35:46 furthermore it would be kinda nice to see your log after you died 11:35:55 (the ctrl+p log) 11:36:04 kilobyte: at least two people reported not seeing a Vaults stair, and a game I transferred over locally here exhibited the same behaviour. 11:36:13 kilobyte: the fallback behaviour when failing to place a vault wasn't behaving properly. 11:36:14 orc priests are a fantastic enemy because they are very dangerous without being faster than the player. I would be very hard pressed to recommend changing this 11:36:53 how is adding something that avoids the possibility of them smiting _every_ turn a bad thing 11:36:55 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: the last messages (default 20 or so) show up in your morgue 11:36:59 ah, got it 11:37:21 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: because then they aren't very dangerous 11:37:23 amethyst: yes, but that's morgue 11:37:35 thats not even an answer 11:38:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-837-gad1da23: Give Storm and Gold dragon hides the same encumbrance rating as their armours 10(86 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad1da23008e9 11:38:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-838-g9cfafb2: Add a newline after the summon cap in spell descriptions (#7737) 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cfafb29f884 11:38:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-839-ge5e675a: Make weapon branding effects purely cosmetic 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 66-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5e675a5d20e 11:38:01 <|amethyst> You want to see the message list for a game that ended but don't want to look in the morgue? 11:38:01 it would fit with the inventory being shown 11:38:03 <|amethyst> ah 11:38:42 good fixes, MarvinPA 11:40:22 you could increase the chance of them actually smiting in return 11:42:18 I don't want to assume that your idea isn't a good one, but I don't think you've convinced anyone that orc priests' present behavior is bad 11:42:58 it was a bad time to make my case, yes 11:43:41 It's an impossible case if they insist on the counterargument being "you can just run away" or "you can just avoid every orc pack ever". 11:44:08 but the point is fairly simple: inconsistency is bad and orc priests already can create extreme cases you have to react to WITHOUT the dice fucking you 11:44:34 <|amethyst> Wait, so every spell should have a cooldown time? 11:44:37 you're talking as if the game is supposed to be somehow fair towards you 11:45:24 every spell slot could possibly make sense 11:45:26 I wonder what's the average HP of people going down to hell/pan. 11:45:48 <|amethyst> !lm * recent br.enter=pan x=avg(mhp) 11:45:49 8347 milestones for * (recent br.enter=pan): avg(mhp)=224.05 11:45:49 Zaba: creating that impression is something most game designers aspire to 11:45:53 not the i wanna be the guy people 11:45:57 and the likes 11:46:00 but yes 11:46:10 <|amethyst> !lm * recent br.enter=dis x=avg(mhp) 11:46:14 ... 11:46:19 (it keeps happening) 11:46:27 !lm * recent br.enter=dis x=avg(mhp) 11:46:28 1267 milestones for * (recent br.enter=dis): avg(mhp)=228.81 11:46:42 hellion (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(65), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 602 | Sp: hellfire burst (3d15) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 11:46:42 %??Hellion 11:47:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:23 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Quit: CKyle_] 11:49:26 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:35 How much health would one typically have around the point where priests show up? 11:50:54 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:50:55 n1000 the Acrobat (L21 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:26) 11:50:57 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~orc_priest x=avg(mhp) 11:50:58 100461 games for * (killer~~orc_priest): avg(mhp)=40.11 11:51:03 oops 11:51:13 <|amethyst> !lg * recent depth<6 killer~~orc_priest x=avg(mhp) 11:51:14 Unknown field: depth 11:51:34 !lg * killer~~orc_priest x=avg(dam) 11:51:35 100461 games for * (killer~~orc_priest): avg(dam)=10.9 11:52:06 I autotravelled to D:21 and got a crash 11:52:17 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~orc_priest lvl<6 place=d x=avg(mhp) 11:52:23 78821 games for * (killer~~orc_priest lvl<6 place=d): avg(mhp)=34.54 11:53:17 !lg * killer~~hellion x=avg(mhp) 11:53:17 1334 games for * (killer~~hellion): avg(mhp)=122.09 11:53:22 !lg * killer~~hellion x=avg(dam) 11:53:23 1334 games for * (killer~~hellion): avg(dam)=26.18 11:53:44 (let's not forget that this is the early game where your best way of dealing with trouble is trying to go upstairs) 11:54:03 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:54:23 (and that hellions usually won't smite you if you're adjacent to its allies) 11:54:46 n1000 the Acrobat (L21 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:26) 11:54:55 n1000 the Acrobat (L21 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:26) 11:55:12 !lm n1000 crash -log 11:55:12 4. n1000, XL21 KoBe, T:57521 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/n1000/crash-n1000-20131112-175455.txt 11:55:14 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:55:44 okay, so Gd21 does it (maybe 21 is out of range for the D auto travel letter?) 11:55:54 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:54 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:55:54 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:54 Gd21 being the last keys I pressed 11:57:11 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Client Quit] 11:59:09 I should really crash more often, lots of nice info in the Skills section of the dump :D 12:01:08 Grunt, should I get a link to the save? 12:01:25 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:56 it might be an irelevant issue if it only affects games transfered from pre dungeon-split versions that were past d:15 12:02:29 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/n1000-crawl-git-5210f43197-131112-1302.tar.bz2 12:03:04 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:07 zzz 12:04:45 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:05:43 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:32 happens only if you travel to an unknown level 12:07:02 which case assumes a hard-coded geometry 12:10:42 looks like this is also the case that breaks elf-passage 12:11:01 so basically since I haven't been back to D:16-25 since transfering to a post dungeon-split version it will crash if I try to travel through those floor 12:11:46 autotravel to an unvisited level only, it appears 12:12:14 n1000 the Acrobat (L21 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:21) 12:12:23 oops 12:13:48 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:25 n1000 the Acrobat (L22 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:14) 12:15:27 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:51 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:40 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 12:23:43 -!- Burer has quit [Excess Flood] 12:24:47 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 12:25:50 -!- Burer has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:27:29 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-836-g5210f43 (34) 12:30:29 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:34:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:07 -!- dondy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:35 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:52:25 -!- Hal9k has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:53:25 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:50 -!- Hal9k has quit [Changing host] 12:59:57 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:43 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:15 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:43 -!- rupawt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:08:03 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 13:08:04 -!- CKyle_ is now known as CKyle 13:08:38 Hm, I actually have a feature-request for the python-server 13:09:29 !tell |amethyst Am I remembering correctly? You wrote the webtiles-server, right? 13:09:30 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 13:09:34 i realize there was concern back in .13 that there was too much xp, but between the .13 xp nerf and culling 4 levels from the end of d, any chance the pendulum is swinging back too far the other way? 13:10:17 i believe grunt mentioned that depths has approximately the same amount of xp as the section of D that it replaces 13:10:22 since the monsters there are tougher 13:10:30 oh, cool 13:10:45 MarvinPA: tougher than D:22-27? 13:11:29 if so, it seems sort of bad to have the V entrance in there, as V:1-4 is quite a bit easier than D:22-27 were... 13:11:41 mm not sure, would have to check and see 13:11:54 !tell |amethyst if so, mind taking a feature request? - or just telling me where to put it.. 13:11:55 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 13:12:36 !tell |amethyst it will be a feature used for easier promotion of DCSS in general. 13:12:37 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 13:13:20 i think just saying what it is would probably be more helpful than asking if you can make an fr :P 13:13:31 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:32 sure, I was about to do so 13:14:36 let's move Depths into Vaults? 13:15:02 !tell |amethyst what I would like is a spectator-mode which changes to a different player if the current player has been idling for more than 3-5 minutes (or if the player quits the game). This can be used to show the game on a projector without having to change sessions whenever someone stops playing. 13:15:03 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 13:15:31 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:41 * kilobyte .oO( a branch roulette: 50% chance for Depths vs Vaults, the other one is a subbranch of its partner ) 13:15:42 If we can get this, then i'll make sure that DCSS will be shown in the (student-)cafe I work in... 13:15:51 at least once a week 13:18:01 -!- scummos_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:20:51 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:26:12 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:33 -!- TacoSundae_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:30:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:34:11 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:35 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:35:43 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:50 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:59 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:49:02 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 13:55:12 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 13:58:20 !apt dr 13:58:20 : Fighting: 1, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: N/A, Dodge: -1, Stealth: 0, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: 0 14:01:26 -!- Tux[Qyou] is now known as ^ 14:01:27 -!- ^ is now known as Guest74937 14:01:37 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:05 -!- Guest74937 is now known as Tux[Qyou] 14:02:12 Should deformed body affect draconians? 14:02:15 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 14:02:42 A buddy just got it with his draconian 14:02:57 We were wondering if it even affected him. 14:03:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:03:40 !apt long blades 14:03:41 Long: Mi: 2!, HE: 2!, HO: 1, Mf: 1, Te: 1, LO: 1, Ha: 0, Op: 0, Dj: 0, : 0, Hu: 0, Vp: 0, Gr: , Fo: 0, DD: 0, Na: 0, Ds: -1, Gh: -1, Dg: -1, Gr: -1, DE: -1, Ce: -1, Mu: -2, Sp: -2, Ko: -2, Tr: -2, Og: -3*, Fe: N/A 14:04:55 -!- Kenran has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:09:38 -!- dg__ has quit [] 14:10:28 -!- quazi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:52 -!- Kenran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:15:34 -!- randart has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:18:41 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:18:42 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:20:43 -!- Nightbeer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:27 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:01 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:24:33 -!- bmfx1 is now known as bmfx 14:31:47 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:32:55 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 14:33:47 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:34:21 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:34:49 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:35:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:41:19 -!- thalia has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:42:58 -!- valtern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:36 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:46 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:51:02 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:26 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:53:01 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:56:03 -!- TacoSundae_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:57:04 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:20 johnstein: it's a no-op mutation that already has a different message for dracs/kittehs/seafood 15:07:24 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:34 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 15:16:25 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:17:57 I just wanted to drop by and say that I absolutely love the idea of Depths. 15:18:03 So, thank you all. 15:21:49 -!- Vidiny has quit [Client Quit] 15:25:51 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:30:37 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:35 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:33:08 -!- xxx_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:33:37 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 15:34:21 -!- Henry_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:37:29 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:25 -!- Wizzzargh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:54:04 that is v. polite 15:55:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:59:25 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:02:49 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:03:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03:35 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:52 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:52 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 16:05:52 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:47 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:16:43 <|amethyst> TZer0: ah, I did not write webtiles. That was edlothiol 16:17:08 <|amethyst> TZer0: I agree that it would be nice, but I don't really have a clue where to start implementing something like that 16:17:57 <|amethyst> TZer0: it would also be nice if we could have a webtiles version of footv... but that's an even more massive change (for one, you'd need to store logs of the webtiles socket, not just ttyrecs) 16:19:08 <|amethyst> Probably the spectating thing could be done in 100% javascript 16:19:47 <|amethyst> since, from the server's point of view, it would be just like manually leaving the boring game and selecting a new one from the lobby 16:20:09 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:20:34 <|amethyst> you might be able to do even better, and pick out interesting-looking milestones (since the lobby lists the most recent milestone for each game) 16:22:05 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 (in case you didn't see the scrollback) That would be a good idea, but I'm probably not the person to implement it :) Webtiles is edlothiol's brainchild, though others (Medar most recently) have made contributions as well 16:22:06 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 16:22:22 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 It could probably be done entirely client-side, in Javascript 16:22:23 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 16:26:44 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:46 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:30:42 -!- ketsa has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:47 !messages 16:32:48 (1/2) |amethyst said (10m 42s ago): (in case you didn't see the scrollback) That would be a good idea, but I'm probably not the person to implement it :) Webtiles is edlothiol's brainchild, though others (Medar most recently) have made contributions as well 16:32:49 !messages 16:32:51 (1/1) |amethyst said (10m 27s ago): It could probably be done entirely client-side, in Javascript 16:32:52 !messages 16:32:53 No messages for TZer0. 16:32:53 !messages 16:32:55 No messages for TZer0. 16:32:56 !messages 16:32:56 No messages for TZer0. 16:32:58 oh, it looked like a lot more. 16:35:13 -!- eb has quit [] 16:37:01 The (1/2) in the beginning means 1 out of 2 16:37:59 Zannick: yes, and? I thought I had more waiting, but I had read what |amethyst had said 16:38:08 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 16:38:13 but I had forgotten that he didn't !tellall of it. 16:40:19 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:48:06 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:54:31 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:03 n1000 the Acrobat (L25 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (Vaults:1) 17:01:44 n1000 the Acrobat (L25 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:13) 17:02:06 n1000 the Acrobat (L25 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:9) 17:03:25 n1000 the Acrobat (L25 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (Lair:4) 17:03:43 sorry about the spam >_> 17:04:22 n1000 the Acrobat (L25 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:4) 17:04:45 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 17:06:18 whate are you doing 17:09:39 autotraveling to an "unexplored" floor 17:09:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:09:45 i.e., one I haven't seen since updating 17:10:50 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:58 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 17:11:45 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:13:28 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13:43 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Client Quit] 17:16:00 n1000 the Acrobat (L25 KoBe) ERROR: range check error (35 / 35) (D:27) 17:19:03 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20:38 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:46 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:53 -!- Brokkr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:23 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:29:10 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:29:32 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:10 -!- robbje has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:33:25 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:05 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:47:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:31 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:06 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 17:51:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:01 -!- ark__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:55 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:00:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:01:04 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:02:05 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:05:51 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:06:08 so I haven't seen vaults this game and have explored through d:26 18:09:36 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:37 oh, cool, save-compatibility breaking bug apparently 18:16:06 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:06 -!- Neuromancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:15 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:18:13 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:19:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:22:52 !seen dpeg 18:22:52 I last saw dpeg at Sat Nov 9 15:10:13 2013 UTC (3d 9h 12m 39s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 18:28:45 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:29:46 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:30:10 did you check to see if the entrance has moved to elf? 18:38:24 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:38:26 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:40:45 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:42:27 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:51 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:48:25 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 18:50:08 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:54 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:42 Zannick: no, but why would it be there? 18:56:52 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:57:34 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:57:41 if there's a chance, I'll definitely check 18:58:51 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:11 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow!] 19:00:23 I think zot exists, since there's a portal that looks like it's in a zot vault on d:27 19:00:24 it may not be trunk 19:00:37 i seem to recall someone working on a second entrance to vaults 19:00:53 I haven't gone into elf yet at all 19:01:00 but I have gone down to d:27 19:01:05 no vault entrance yet 19:01:08 so I'm wondering what I should do 19:01:20 what version? 19:01:20 if there's a chance it'll show up in elf in a later version, I'd rather wait until that version 19:01:27 0.14-a0-836-g5210f43 19:01:30 (trunk cszo) 19:03:02 some of these mini-temples are weird 19:03:12 %git elf-vaults 19:03:13 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-590-g227b880: Add a passage from Vaults to Elf. 10(9 days ago, 14 files, 52+ 88-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=227b8805a7d6 19:03:13 i found one with two altars, trog and TSO 19:03:23 speaking of which 19:03:25 are they completely random? 19:03:26 that's from vaults to elf, not the other way around 19:03:39 unless it's two-way or something 19:03:40 it would make more sense to me if the altars were related in some way 19:03:50 rast: seems like some are totally random 19:04:02 :\ 19:04:05 oh neat it has an elf entrance too 19:04:05 hrm 19:04:19 yeah, should be bidirectional 19:04:30 luckily I haven't been in elf yet 19:04:34 so its either completely random, or completely fixed (like the 3 good gods temple)? 19:04:36 are levels generated when you enter them? 19:04:50 like, if I haven't entered elf yet and upgrade to a version after that commit 19:04:53 will I get it? 19:05:02 yup 19:05:12 oh neat 19:05:13 also, rip Dwarven Halls 19:05:18 the branch is now completely removed 19:05:22 heh 19:05:42 fr: remove DD so we only have 26 races 19:05:56 so how do I know if the version I'm playing is after that commit, anyway 19:06:02 it'll be back one day... as Dwarf Fortress 19:06:18 I don't know which numbers increment in which way 19:06:38 I'm thinking the version I'm playing includes it, but can't be sure 19:07:07 also: wouldn't a bidirectional elf<->vaults passage let you bypass the new runelock? 19:07:08 it doesn't, elf-vaults isn't in trunk 19:07:20 oh damn 19:07:31 yeah, it doesn't appear to be in trunk 19:07:32 is it in a different branch 19:07:37 you've got another bug, i think 19:07:46 or an unexplored section of d 19:07:52 the bug I have is related to the dungeon->depths change 19:07:53 I think 19:08:05 could be 19:08:06 %git depths 19:08:06 Could not find commit depths (git returned 128) 19:08:11 %git :/depths 19:08:11 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-796-gb9e8979: Merge branch 'master' into dungeon-split 10(4 days ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9e897988905 19:08:14 I've explored all of d, at least autoexplore says so and I've found all staircases 19:08:24 ^o says "Vaults: D:2-5" 19:09:02 d:14 had a single staircase down inside a vault (instead of three staircases down) 19:09:09 but it just led to d:15 as usual 19:09:12 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:10:04 yeah, that's the runelock 19:10:25 right 19:10:33 I've seen the runelock before, but not "depths" or a missing vaults entry :p 19:10:51 not sure what to do now, this is a pretty good char and I don't want to screw up any chance at actually getting to vaults/crypt 19:10:52 Grunt: Depths should not abbreviate to "D:2-5" ... 19:10:58 yeah it really shouldn't 19:11:37 is seeing a mix of ▓▓ and # for walls in labyrinth normal? 19:12:08 your rc file probably defines different walls as different glyphs 19:12:15 maybe some are unnaturally hard, or transparent 19:12:20 rchandra: the former is permarock 19:12:23 x over them to see what they are, try to establish a pattern 19:12:41 they are, I'm just wondering if that was a change as I haven't altered rcfile in a whils 19:13:22 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:14:52 -!- myrmidette has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:15:45 yeah, it's new 19:16:40 I've been doing something similar in my rcfile for a bit now 19:16:51 also mapped regular trees to spades and mangroves to clubs 19:17:07 and food to � so it's not the same as corpses 19:17:22 so, does anyone know if that elf<->vaults thing is going to wind up in trunk 19:20:00 the new permarock wall is really ugly if you are using # walls 19:21:13 G-Flex: at the very least you should file a bug and backup your save 19:21:22 hrm 19:21:23 not a bad idea 19:21:33 i can't spot anything obviously wrong without a lot of diving 19:21:46 I wasn't going too do it before because the response in ##crawl seemed to be "tough luck, play stable" 19:22:47 it may be save compat, though 19:23:05 <|amethyst> the branch was supposed to have compat break 19:23:25 <|amethyst> then kilobyte committed it without, but apparently missed some of the cases 19:23:33 which branch? 19:23:42 <|amethyst> dungeon-split 19:23:49 MarvinPA (or someone) was making it sound like the lack of a save compat break was intentional 19:23:50 but okay 19:23:55 should I file a bug or what 19:23:57 I've backed up the save 19:24:00 https://dobrazupa.org/saves/swinepaste-crawl-git-5210f43197-131113-0122.tar.bz2 19:24:08 <|amethyst> it was intentional, but apparently not all the cases were considered 19:24:10 yes, it was deliberately merged with no save compat break 19:24:12 <|amethyst> yes, I'd file that 19:24:14 okay 19:25:01 should I upload the save file or just provide a link 19:25:03 (in the bug report) 19:25:09 <|amethyst> a link is fine 19:25:22 thanks 19:25:37 G-Flex: not rc file anymore; kilobyte gave permarock a new glyph 19:25:46 <|amethyst> and explain exactly what you had visited before transferring the save 19:26:08 |amethyst: is there a way to find out when the transfer occurred relative to other milestones? 19:26:15 <|amethyst> G-Flex: it shows up in ?: 19:26:17 oh I see 19:26:17 yeah 19:26:27 there are a couple recent ones 19:26:31 so I'm not 100% sure which one it would be 19:26:45 I'll include as much info as possible I guess 19:27:01 I'm not sure which upgrade has the changes merged, I mean 19:27:28 <|amethyst> %git 318680c 19:27:28 07Grunt02 {kilobyte} * 0.14-a0-831-g318680c: Pick Depths water monsters from a table, like D. 10(6 days ago, 2 files, 19+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=318680c9cc30 19:27:58 <|amethyst> %git 1b62a5d5613b076a70117541fb9b0aa831dcf122 19:27:59 07Grunt02 {kilobyte} * 0.14-a0-820-g1b62a5d: Transform the lower half of D into a new branch: the Depths. 10(10 days ago, 81 files, 1272+ 1186-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b62a5d5613b 19:28:07 <|amethyst> so if it's before -820 it's pre-split 19:28:18 <|amethyst> if it's after -831 it's post-split 19:28:21 so that first number after a0 is the sequential one? 19:28:33 <|amethyst> yeah, number of commits since the tag 0.14-a0 19:28:37 okay 19:28:37 thanks 19:29:02 <|amethyst> it's not always sequential if there are branches, but it does strictly increase from parent commits to children 19:29:19 yeah 19:29:34 runelock is d:14, right? 19:29:47 <|amethyst> it was D:14, yes 19:29:58 50168 | Lair:2 | Upgraded the game from 0.14-a0-806-g7df33cc to | 0.14-a0-832-g11d3004 19:30:18 this transfer happened after I had already been to D:17 19:30:22 that's probably relevant 19:30:25 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:31 <|amethyst> yeah 19:30:35 <|amethyst> had you been to D:27? 19:30:40 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:31:20 not at that point, no 19:31:23 I have now 19:31:27 and as of the save I backed up 19:31:39 (I wanted to see if Zot still exists, which it /probably/ does) 19:31:49