00:00:54 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.0-26-gf7ffa3a 00:06:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-461-gd2e2345 (34) 00:12:38 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:17:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:20:48 -!- Yakesh has quit [Client Quit] 00:26:02 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:30:03 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:44 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:21 -!- fsufitch has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:35:18 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:11 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:43:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:48:34 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:38 -!- fsufitch has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:40 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:20 Crashscumming (L1 DsWz) ERROR in 'libutil.cc' at line 1022: screen write out of bounds: (1,8) into (80,7) (D:1) 00:55:53 -!- fsufitch has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:06:07 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-461-gd2e2345 (34) 01:09:39 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:13:06 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.0-26-gf7ffa3a (34) 01:13:37 -!- rchandra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:22 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-461-gd2e2345 (34) 01:18:38 http://pastebin.com/DiTYnXem 01:18:42 Anybody understand? 01:19:56 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:58 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:26 -!- UrQuan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:26:47 -!- Somespy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:32 -!- Somebot has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:33 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:44:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:58 -!- Cronoth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:46:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46:36 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-461-gd2e2345 01:49:38 -!- Somebot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:23 Somefellow: i think most people are asleep; if that persists then you might post it to the mantis tracker 01:50:26 ??mantis 01:50:26 bug[1/2]: To report bugs, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 01:51:08 Maybe it's somehow not finding it or something 01:51:12 * Somefellow shrugs, I'll work it out later 01:51:14 yeah, possibly 01:51:55 Too tired atm 01:52:06 3 hour exams are no fun 01:52:09 hah 02:03:50 -!- Somebot has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:02 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.0-26-gf7ffa3a 02:04:43 -!- rbthor2 has quit [Client Quit] 02:08:52 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:10:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:17:11 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:22:32 !tell bh I tried that idea for picking zombies in corpseless branches, and it resulted in a major failure (still in the game...). Thus, it would probably end up boring in the Abyss as well... 02:22:33 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 02:23:35 !tell bh so it looks like absdepth is not the answer, and we'd need explicit branches/depths 02:23:36 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 02:23:54 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:57 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30:13 -!- Somebot has quit [Quit: seeya] 02:32:06 Are these all of the crawl bots or are there more? Lantell,Henzell,Cheibriados,Sizzell 02:32:08 IRC bots* 02:33:23 Gretell 02:34:02 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:36:03 -!- Somespy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:36:30 -!- Somespy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:08 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:05 -!- fsufitch has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:27 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:28 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:18 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:18:44 ??bots 03:18:44 bots[1/2]: Bots that can be pm'd: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #), Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! mostly) 03:18:48 Somefellow: ^ 03:19:07 Cheers MarvinPA 03:20:52 -!- Somespy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:06 -!- Somespy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:38 -!- gustaf1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:03 is it intended that !beneficial mutation should increase my DD dungeon-knowledge mut? 03:27:13 Feels a bit underwhelming since I'll get that anyway. 03:27:57 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:23 That would be one of those "too bad" moment 03:37:28 Yeah I guess. 03:37:38 -!- gustaf1 is now known as ghallberg 03:47:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 03:50:53 Nordon (L13 LOFi) (Lair:8) 03:51:30 Nordon (L13 LOFi) (Lair:8) 03:53:02 Monster attacked me with an unknown staff and electrocuted me; staff didn't ID by Sar 03:59:26 -!- ghallberg has left ##crawl-dev 04:05:20 -!- Cronoth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:12:10 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 04:14:01 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:04 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:34:10 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:34:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:36 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:42:03 Fun information about ##crawl and ##crawl-dev http://silencewillfall.tk/ 04:42:08 * Somefellow is really bored 04:44:37 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:50:09 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-462-g04546ee: Don't crash on agentless refrigerate. 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04546ee12f79 04:50:09 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-463-gded89c1: Fix behaviour event and agentless crash in drain life. 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ded89c18c706 04:50:12 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:55:38 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:55 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:07:22 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:08:39 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:12:13 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 05:16:09 !tell Grunt why does art-data.pl prevent duplicate INSCRIPS? what if two unrands need the same inscrip? 05:16:10 buppy: OK, I'll let grunt know. 05:20:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:22:00 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:45 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:35:14 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:37:44 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:40:14 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:44 -!- Nstar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:50:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-464-gbd5e845: Fix whitespace. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd5e84544f09 05:50:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-465-g5bf649e: Don't mandate uniqueness of custom inscriptions (pubby) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bf649e60a6a 05:54:43 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:55:54 -!- Nstar has quit [Client Quit] 06:01:06 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:05 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:05 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 06:10:05 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:15 -!- GuraKKa1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15:44 A few unrand INSCRIPs. by pubby 06:24:45 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:32:51 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35:06 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:40:29 -!- motorbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:46:56 -!- Wahaha has quit [] 06:47:54 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:50:28 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:06 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:58:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:09 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:03:21 -!- Vandal is now known as Fortescue 07:16:34 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:25:17 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:21 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:32:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 07:41:12 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:25 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:42:34 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:48:27 -!- Vandal is now known as Fortescue 07:49:42 Grunt: the committed hat sounds pretty sweet! Certainly much more fun than the one that randomly paralyzes you and curses all your stuff :) 07:54:22 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:22 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 07:54:22 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:39 -!- dg__ has quit [] 07:58:15 -!- Zermako has quit [] 08:03:47 SamB: evolution is not counted as "beneficial", it is counted as "not on the list of purely negative mutations". There is no list of beneficial mutations. 08:07:19 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:07:28 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:54 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:20:12 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:11 alefury: the only use of the word "beneficial" is in the potion 08:32:14 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:37 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:33 like half of "non-bad" mutations are double-edged 08:34:10 and often the classification is debatable 08:35:26 -!- Croesus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:31 also, even a best mutation still can make your precious only potion of cure mut not remove what you want it to remove 08:38:00 i know, i was just reading yesterday's log and SamB asked why evolution was classified as beneficial and the question hadn't been answered 08:38:19 a bit out of context 08:39:41 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:43:36 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:43:40 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:45:40 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:29 -!- Nex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:48:13 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:50:35 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:16 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:04:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:25 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:11:03 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 09:11:11 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:13:27 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:28:45 -!- Fortescue has quit [] 09:28:58 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:16 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:33:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:36:13 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:41 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:40:29 -!- hasufell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:42:13 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:02 -!- hasufell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:07 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:53:31 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:01:05 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:07 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:03:48 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:07:18 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:09:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:12:56 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:17:49 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:19:06 Monster "Cause Fear" persists after teleporting away by Whales 10:23:10 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:54 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:25:29 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:25:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:03 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:03 -!- QQQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:59 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:30:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:32:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:07 buppy: unintentionally! (Though |amethyst noticed that too.) 10:39:22 buppy: I thought that code was to prevent an artefact from having more than one INSCRIP <_< 10:39:58 Grunt: !!! 10:39:59 alefury: that's the power of ##crawl-dev discussion :) 10:40:02 ProzacElf: ??? 10:40:24 (The power of ##crawl-dev is invoked against you! You are cast into the development abyss!) 10:40:41 haha....nothing really. Just happy to see a dev that I used to talk to that's still around =p 10:41:27 incidentally, starting your ph.d program and having a computer break seriously cuts down on your irc/crawl time =P 10:41:56 * Grunt casts a spell. ProzacElf seems to speed up. 10:42:21 hey, that should help! 10:42:34 Just try not to annoy people with the glow. <_< 10:45:02 it's heading toward winter, people should appreciate that kind of thing when it gets dark at 5PM 10:46:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:24 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:01 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:57:57 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:02:45 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:07:32 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:11:49 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:12:28 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:12:40 * xFleury wants to be able to replay his game in web-tiles. 11:16:36 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:21:08 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:24:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:25:33 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:26:14 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:27:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:06 -!- QQQ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:28:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:08 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:28:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:13 alefury: ah, that certainly explains it 11:30:28 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:31:34 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:34:48 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:06 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:35:14 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:40:04 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:41:10 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:13 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:48:28 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:49:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:08 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:51:48 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:55:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:51 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-466-gd938c59: Increase the size of the description box in species/job selection menu. 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d938c595830b 11:57:54 -!- pentatonic has quit [Client Quit] 11:57:54 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:57:54 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:58:47 -!- ether has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:47 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09:18 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:09:24 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:14:25 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:35 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:16 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16:36 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:36 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 12:16:36 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:38 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:17:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-466-gd938c59 (34) 12:18:47 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:05 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:30:18 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:47 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:29 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:34:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:39:17 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:04 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:28 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:58:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:05:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:21 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:19 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11:29 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:44 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:17:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:26:07 <|amethyst> !tell ProzacElf I understand the broken computer thing, but shouldn't being in a PhD program give you *more* time for roguelikes? :) 13:26:08 |amethyst: OK, I'll let prozacelf know. 13:27:07 <|amethyst> !tell ProzacElf Maybe that's why it took me 9 years... 13:27:08 |amethyst: OK, I'll let prozacelf know. 13:33:21 !tell dpeg I had time today to write the tournament report, so I did it :) http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-13-tournament-results 13:33:22 elliptic: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 13:42:35 !tell dpeg Also, ping me sometime when we are both on IRC and I can certainly help you with the Sequell queries you wanted :) 13:42:36 elliptic: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 13:47:42 Grunt: do you actually expect anyone to use a noisy hat? since I don't (this hat looks like a new candidate for the "worst unrand hat" award) 13:48:30 do you mean "anyone" or "anyone who knows how noisy plays" 13:49:38 like it kind of feels like gong in that some people would think it's cool 13:51:43 well gong at least doesn't spam you with noises as you walk around 13:52:01 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:52:17 I am basically unwilling to use any noisy item except as a very short-term swap 13:53:13 I probably would decline to use something like that in general because I think it will get me killed and it feels even more dangerous on mp-reliant characters 13:54:02 yes, walking around with Noisy is not only annoying but also quite bad 13:56:04 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:28 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:00 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:07 !seen elliptic 13:57:08 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:57:08 I last saw elliptic at Wed Oct 30 18:56:57 2013 UTC (10s ago) saying 'maybe jj has a good tech with it, I don't know' on ##crawl. 13:57:15 !messages 13:57:16 (1/3) Grunt said (17h 21m 19s ago): From johnny0: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hsg20bufx2pxyn2/crawl_0_13_summary.html?dl=1 13:57:42 Cool, thanks everyone! 13:58:47 !messages 13:58:48 (1/2) elliptic said (25m 26s ago): I had time today to write the tournament report, so I did it :) http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/0-13-tournament-results 13:58:51 !messages 13:58:52 (1/1) elliptic said (16m 15s ago): Also, ping me sometime when we are both on IRC and I can certainly help you with the Sequell queries you wanted :) 13:59:01 Grunt: the +3,+3 Elemental Staff (weapon) { Noisy rElec rF++ rC++ MR++ AC+5}, the +9,+6 lance "Wyrmbane" {slay drac, +Rage rPois rF+ AC+5}, the +6,+7 captain's cutlass {speed } 13:59:06 will do, but not enough time now 13:59:19 Grunt: note extra spaces in random places 13:59:32 Update jump attack description by gammafunk 13:59:35 Anyone readily familiar with how noise spreads in Crawl, and wants to save me hours of testing? lol 14:00:33 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:58 dpeg: i probably should have made that file edit clearer... elliptic made an official post independently (which has correct stats), so i just nuked the post that I wrote up 14:05:51 oh, I didn't know that someone else was working on a results post, sorry 14:06:51 well, i botched the numbers anyway haha 14:09:33 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 14:11:08 haha 14:18:21 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-467-g1920e20: Elemental Staff rework, try 2. 10(14 minutes ago, 3 files, 48+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1920e2062831 14:18:46 elliptic: should the Elemental Staff lose noisy? 14:19:07 it doesn't seem to make much sense to me 14:20:04 it's so cheap to unwield/rewield that it probably doesn't do much anyway, too (unlike the hat where you're forced to keep it on) 14:20:18 * xFleury hopes these changes made staffs not so seemingly overpowered. 14:20:51 It seems like an elemental staff can be significantly more powerful than a max'd executioner's axe or triple sword. 14:21:38 kilobyte: I'd be in favor of removing or reworking the Noisy attribute in general, really... if you remove it from elemental staff then I might actually use it as more than a swap 14:21:51 (did you know that going earth staves for this exact purpose is a legit strategy) 14:23:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:27 Space at front of unrand inscription (Ring of Robustness) by Whales 14:23:51 I was watching a game not long ago, where mage walked into Zot:5, and just whacked Orb Guardians, Ancient Liches with his/her staff. 14:23:54 Killing them one hit. 14:24:24 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:25:25 that sounds somewhat unlikely 14:25:28 ^ 14:25:52 I'm not lying, or exaggerating. I saw this, and vented in specattor chat. 14:26:05 It was a staff of fire, IIRC. 14:26:10 ??staff damage 14:26:11 staff damage[1/2]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting random2(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. Air also needs to pass a (damage dealt + air + 1)/20 chance. 14:26:12 @??orb guardian 14:26:12 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 87-89 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2903 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 14:26:24 ancient lich (16L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 86-132 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7626 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d44), 04esc:teleport self / b.draining (3d33), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d37), crystal spear (3d48) / b.fire (3d37), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d33), greater demon, 04esc:banishment / mystic blast (3d30), b.cold (3d37), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (9d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 14:26:24 %??Ancient lich 14:26:39 Told the player it was absolute BS that he could do more damage than my +9 executioner's axe 14:26:53 with all skills at 27, you do 25 damage, 49 max. Minimal hp of an orb guardian is 87. 14:26:56 you may not be lying or exaggerating intentionally perhaps! 14:26:59 but yes 14:27:03 um clearly he had +100 slaying 14:27:23 also are you sure he wasnt doing something like lcsing things to death with a macro or something 14:28:18 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:42 * Grunt quickly churns out a couple of commits... 14:29:50 as for the Noisy attribute, I don't see why it would be that bad 14:30:26 The noisy bit is mostly a relic of the hat's original design. 14:30:26 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:30:39 even a stabber char isn't hindered much by shoutitis, and this attribute is just that, except somewhat louder 14:31:03 Louder can considerably worse (cf. Gong waking up the entire level). 14:31:23 nowhere close to Gong levels of loudness, same as Lightning Bolt spell 14:31:35 well it's particularly bad when it's on items that you can easily just switch away from 14:32:19 I found out wearing Gong actually makes most levels easier: you fight where you want to fight rather than where monsters are 14:32:35 although the artefact property is way too quiet to be enough here 14:33:08 this is probably not true for characters that, for example, don't want to fight the entire floor at once 14:33:18 which is a reasonable proportion of characters i would imagine 14:33:57 you don't fight everything at once -- they trickle down towards you gradually 14:34:17 it really makes Hell ends easy for example: you split fiends away from the big bad 14:35:13 somehow i don't think "character that uses gong to fight fiends in hell ends" is a particularly useful example case for where being noisy is and isn't good 14:36:23 shouting is rarely enough to pull them in 14:36:28 but yeah 14:37:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-468-g9632486: De-noise High Council. 10(34 minutes ago, 4 files, 3+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9632486ad523 14:37:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-469-g21eefe3: Don't space out on unrand inscriptions (#7685). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=21eefe3ef3b3 14:37:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-470-g5fe5df5: Properly enumerate High Council's player doll tile. 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fe5df5e3eb0 14:39:06 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:57 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-471-g2f2f0fe: De-noise Elemental Staff. 10(79 seconds ago, 2 files, 1+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f2f0fec46e0 14:42:08 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:54:45 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55:47 03gammafunk02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.14-a0-472-g686ff28: Remove reference to increased jump-attack damage and indicate that it uses melee. 10(66 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=686ff28836dd 14:57:30 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-473-g77d7be9: Use French spacing in jump attack descs. 10(75 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=77d7be995aaf 14:58:28 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:28 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 14:58:28 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:42 -!- glow11 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:05 <|amethyst> Grunt: didn't use warnings; catch that 'part eq "INSCRIP"' ? 15:02:54 <|amethyst> err, use strict; rather 15:02:58 hm 15:03:01 cyan ugly thing (10u) | Spd: 11 (act: 110%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-58 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 1311(elec:8-11) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32), 10elec | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 214 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 15:03:01 %??Cyan ugly thing 15:03:09 |amethyst: look at the next commit :( 15:03:12 oh okay 15:03:26 |amethyst: I somehow got them divided incorrectly! 15:04:04 <|amethyst> Grunt: next commit? 15:04:11 |amethyst: what are you looking at? 15:04:27 <|amethyst> %git 21eefe3 15:04:27 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-469-g21eefe3: Don't space out on unrand inscriptions (#7685). 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=21eefe3ef3b3 15:04:40 |amethyst: most of that commit is in the previous commit 15:04:52 s/of that commit/of what was supposed to be in that commit/ 15:04:54 <|amethyst> ohh 15:04:59 <|amethyst> missed that, thanks 15:07:57 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:09:05 -!- Cozy has quit [Client Quit] 15:12:26 -!- emagenta1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:13:42 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:16:55 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:18:28 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:44 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:21:52 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:42 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:23:43 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:04 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:29:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:19 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:33:00 Tornado's "There are friendlies around" warning triggers inappropriately by Whales 15:45:39 -!- Bamforgor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:50:36 -!- Jebus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:30 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:56:33 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:02:27 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:03:06 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:45 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:59 !learn add exec see {executioners_axe} 16:14:00 exec[1/1]: see {executioners_axe} 16:16:29 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:44 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:24:57 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:58 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:28:50 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:31:22 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:56 -!- valtern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:36 -!- sdsaaww has quit [Client Quit] 16:41:17 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:39 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:17 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:43:26 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:53 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:45:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:47:37 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:52 Apol (L9 DjAr) ASSERT(!feat_is_solid(grd(ctarget))) in 'cloud.cc' at line 570 failed. (D (Sprint)) 16:50:59 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:40 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:55:25 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:56:52 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:59:34 kilobyte: TIL that my "single space after colon and semi-colon" is not tradiational "english spacing" 17:00:15 gammafunk is spacing out again... 17:01:03 -!- moohaus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02:10 s/tradiational/traditional/ since Grunt is clearly on the prowl 17:02:19 * Grunt roars! 17:05:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:05:48 traditional spacing is questionable these days anyway 17:06:00 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:36 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 17:07:54 New branch created: graceful_shutdown (2 commits) 17:07:54 03kilobyte02 07[graceful_shutdown] * 0.14-a0-474-gc80ab54: Allow graceful shutdown rather than a forced save (tiles, Android). 10(70 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c80ab54b9945 17:07:54 03kilobyte02 07[graceful_shutdown] * 0.14-a0-475-g47460e4: Allow graceful shutdown rather than a forced save (win32 console). 10(68 minutes ago, 3 files, 27+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47460e48d1d2 17:08:05 -!- tarantoga is now known as rdx 17:08:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:49 I kind of have no idea how to reliably get EINTR from ncurses 17:11:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:41 EINTR is never fully reliable except from sigsuspend() and pselect() 17:11:52 ncurses may seem to sabotage EINTR, but even if they did not, there would be a race condition just the same: the signal can happen as we're about to call the curses function 17:11:55 yeah 17:12:48 however, pselect() on fd 0 is not enough as any non-simple key codes consist of more than one byte 17:13:00 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:28 which can legitimately be incomplete (Esc) or even produce no output at all 17:13:41 the usual approach for those is a timeout 17:13:53 I think ncurses implements it that way, too 17:14:18 a timeout would need to be able to tell permanent errors from transient ones 17:15:10 ncurses has timeout(0) and nodelay(stdscr, true) but if you use them, there's no way to tell eof from no complete key being available 17:15:26 both get_wch() and getch() just return ERR 17:19:41 what reasons for getting EOF are actually relevant? 17:20:11 the terminal getting closed... 17:20:23 which will give a SIGHUP only if a real pty is involved 17:21:01 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:08 we support non-PTYs in the first place? 17:21:27 er, I mean besides real terminals 17:21:49 pretty sure if someone had one hooked up they could play Crawl on it 17:22:09 not really, but the failure mode here is quite catastrophic 17:22:30 (an infinite loop with 100% CPU use) 17:22:52 ncurses man page for getch says: Under the ncurses implementation, handled signals never interrupt getch. 17:22:56 can't we just bail if the terminal isn't? 17:23:16 jilles: yeah, that's what I mean by sabotaging EINTR 17:23:20 -!- Somespy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:32 jilles: but of course there's that race 17:23:37 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:23:39 -!- Somespy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:44 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:08 SamB: ./crawl something >/dev/null is useful 17:24:21 hmm 17:24:28 but then, util/fake_pty is more reliable 17:24:54 (it does /dev/null 2>&2, except with a pty) 17:25:30 kilobyte, you could distinguish EOF/error from no complete key available using poll() with a zero timeout 17:25:43 I'm not sure POLLHUP/POLLERR on terminals are 100% portable though 17:25:46 * SamB wishes ncurses had a public VCS 17:25:53 -!- Nex has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:25:58 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:27:17 and leaving ncurses blocking may cause trouble where you refuse to call getch() because select returns false but getch() actually would not block because it has data queued internally 17:28:01 jilles: hrm, good point -- and one that breaks my ideas so far 17:28:37 kilobyte, another dirty idea: longjmp from the signal handler 17:28:51 that's VERY dirty 17:29:02 03Translators02 {galehar} 07* 0.14-a0-474-g432c570: [Transifex] Sync. 10(18 minutes ago, 27 files, 1188+ 52-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=432c5703d06b 17:29:11 <|amethyst> this is C++ 17:29:22 jilles: ncurses do malloc/etc ... 17:29:35 kilobyte, even from getch()? 17:30:10 I guess so. Not sure, at least _output_ can. 17:30:33 (especially on piled up combining characters) 17:31:44 in any case longjmp is not something you use without fully controlling all the code between setjmp and longjmp... 17:31:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:02 -!- Elkan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:10 just so I haven't went too far, the original issue is: 17:33:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:33:34 how to make ncurses return from a get_wch() call when you receive SIGHUP 17:34:31 current code does fclose(stdin) which calls both free() and close(). free() is bad for malloc reasons, close() triggers unspecified behaviour. 17:35:42 it's somewhat safer (but possibly still undefined) to dup2() something else onto fd 0 17:36:37 close(0) causes whatever fd that is allocated next to be 0 and the file pointer may be splatted on 17:37:43 the man page for read() doesn't document what happens to readers when the descriptor is closed mid-call, this is somewhat discussed in select() 17:38:32 if a thread is actually blocked in read(), it's common that it remains blocked regardless of the close 17:38:49 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:39:02 with multiple threads, the man page says some other Unices will fail with an error, Linux will wait possibly forever 17:39:20 but in this case the thread is not actually blocked at the time the close is made 17:39:38 signal works different because of EINTR (assuming it's the thread that called read() who handles the signal) 17:40:15 ncurses get EINTR, immediately restart the syscall and get EBADFD 17:40:23 hopefully, that is 17:41:37 or immediate EOF if you dup2 /dev/null onto the fd 17:41:38 if it does fail, the game becomes stuck and poor |amethyst has to swat it by hand... 17:42:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:42:38 that dup2 trick could work if we guard thread signal masks closely 17:42:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:44:16 as long as the thread that runs ncurses and the signal is the same, this will work reliably (once fclose() is changed to close(), of course) 17:44:20 I think 17:45:08 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:46:07 hmm, if it's threaded, there's also the option of "abandoning" the thread that called getch(), performing any cleanup in a different thread and calling _exit() 17:46:15 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:47:28 we'd need to avoid any ncurses calls during the cleanup, but that's doable 17:48:23 you also need to avoid races if getch() returns anyway 17:48:48 I don't know how the code works but this can be nasty 17:49:03 often certain operations may only be performed by a particular thread 17:49:20 that's easy to localize as get_wch() is wrapped anyway, the wrapper can do all the magic inside 17:50:29 not sure if requiring threads is ok 17:51:06 |amethyst: IIRC you once complained about having to build without threads because threading broke some debugging tool you used 17:52:32 <|amethyst> it wasn't something I used, and I think there may have been a workaround 17:52:51 <|amethyst> IIRC it was reverse execution 17:53:23 I think it might just have been a confusing message ... 17:53:31 <|amethyst> yeah 17:54:00 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:14 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 17:56:21 that threaded workaround isn't the nicest hack... 17:57:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the workaround was to use process recording 17:57:08 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Client Quit] 17:57:57 you actually need to do that anyway, unless you have a special target that supports reverse execution natively 17:58:24 <|amethyst> yeah, the "mulithraded" stuff was a red-herring, as I got the same message with a non-threaded program 17:58:30 <|amethyst> s/thrad/thread/ 17:58:36 <|amethyst> s/non/single/ 18:02:49 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:49 -!- DrinkMachine has quit 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ZZZzzz…] 19:09:41 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:16 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:20:09 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:21:56 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:28:01 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:31:12 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:31:38 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:31:51 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:35:32 Zanzabar the Martial Artist (L13 TrMo) ASSERT(item.base_type == OBJ_ARMOUR) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 1131 failed on turn 22615. (Lair:8) 19:35:41 ...huh? 19:35:47 !lm zanzabar crash -log 19:35:47 1. Zanzabar, XL13 TrMo, T:22615 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Zanzabar/crash-Zanzabar-20131031-003531.txt 19:36:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 19:36:58 Apparently he is wearing a potion of brilliance for a helmet. 19:37:03 I would love to know how that happened. 19:37:19 <|amethyst> !lm zanzabar crash -tv 19:37:19 1. Zanzabar, XL13 TrMo, T:22615 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 19:38:28 <|amethyst> !lm zanzabar crash -tv:<2 19:38:29 1. Zanzabar, XL13 TrMo, T:22615 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 19:45:04 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:45:18 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:47:44 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:45 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:02 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:00:59 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:04:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:24 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:07:26 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:09:22 Grunt: !brilliance seems like one of the more logical choices if you're going to wear a potion as a helmet 20:09:35 Int+3 20:09:37 <_< >_> 20:10:05 I think I'd prefer !might for the bonus damage... 20:10:17 Maybe !exp if you can find one for the bonus xp <_< 20:10:18 Berserk 20:10:19 Grunt: Yeah, maybe !experience increases the xp you gain 20:10:59 Unending berserk! 20:11:02 ...or you could go with !curing (immunity to status effects) 20:11:30 Hmm 20:11:39 Can you wear scrolls? 20:12:11 Evocablr immolation? 20:12:33 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:53 I'd prefer to wear acquirement, in that case. 20:12:54 <_< 20:12:55 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:07 how would that work 20:13:33 every item turns into a random acquirement of that category 20:13:51 every turn 20:15:03 :O 20:15:09 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:32 Scroll of Torment? 20:15:54 You die.. 20:16:00 random uselessness could be amusing... 20:16:02 That would work like the Sceptre of Torment. 20:16:25 geekosaur: the screen is flooded with butterflies 20:16:27 all the time 20:16:39 don't knock meat shields 20:17:27 -!- ZILOT has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:19:53 You head reassembles itself in your hands! 20:21:14 free Cause Fear? (it's the right time of year for it at least) 20:24:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:24:54 roll back immolation to 0.12 and play as Djinn 20:24:54 Spam it 20:32:30 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:35:57 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:00 -!- rdx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:28 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:39:46 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:40:41 -!- Rebenga has quit [Quit: Goodbye, World] 20:40:42 -!- Riddim has quit [Quit: Goodbye, World] 20:42:55 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:43:40 -!- kait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:48:07 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:48:33 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:50:27 -!- Quashie has quit [Client Quit] 20:51:02 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:52:02 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:52:52 -!- ontoclasm1 is now known as ontoclasm 20:53:28 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:56:10 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:10 -!- rphillips_ has quit [Client Quit] 20:58:28 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:23 -!- rphillips has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:40 -!- rphillips_ is now known as rphillips 21:03:39 -!- alefury|2 has quit [] 21:04:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:26 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:16:48 -!- adibis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18:54 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 21:22:31 !seen Guest35712 21:22:32 Sorry bh, I haven't seen guest35712. 21:22:40 !seen bh 21:22:41 I last saw bh at Thu Oct 31 02:22:31 2013 UTC (10s ago) saying '!seen Guest35712' on ##crawl-dev. 21:22:48 !abyss Grunt 21:22:49 bh casts a spell. grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 21:22:54 !seen the_abyss 21:22:55 Sorry Grunt, I haven't seen the_abyss. 21:23:00 !abyss Henzell 21:23:01 Grunt casts a spell. henzell is devoured by a tear in reality! 21:26:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:04 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:32 so who was Guest35712? 21:30:11 -!- Zhukov has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:21 No idea. 21:30:30 grumble. to the logs 21:32:51 and nothing. 21:34:54 bh: who told you about this person? 21:35:12 * Guest35712 :There was no such nickname 21:35:12 * Guest35712 :End of WHOWAS 21:35:21 SamB: they sent me a !tell 21:35:37 and had some reasonable ideas, so I'm curious as to who it is 21:35:50 maybe it's HangedMan, springing from the ether 21:35:56 hmm, do these bots log? 21:36:22 don't know 21:36:38 !tell |amethyst my goal is to *not* spend that long at it =p 21:36:39 ProzacElf: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 21:38:59 SamB: 35712 believes that using branch monsters in the abyss won't be interesting 21:39:41 The argument goes is that they're interesting in combination with each other and within the branch context. 21:40:01 I disagree with this, though not vehemently. 21:42:15 FWIW, i prefer my abyss monsters to be mostly of the cthulhu-ish type 21:42:23 Basically I think monsters are interesting for the preparation a player has to carry out and the tactical situations they force the player into. On the other hand, Vault Wardens wouldn't be interesting in Snake 21:42:28 your starcursed masses, thrashing horrors, et al 21:42:35 erm. etc 21:42:37 ProzacElf: me too. They're hard to design 21:42:41 !send ProzacElf eldritch abominations 21:42:42 Sending eldritch abominations to ProzacElf. 21:42:49 thanks grunt! 21:43:26 * ProzacElf looks to see what Mass, S., Horror, H. have published 21:43:35 er....Horror, T 21:43:38 bh: because snake has no doors? 21:43:42 Don't forget Horror, L. and Horror, U. 21:43:43 SamB: yes :) 21:43:44 has Abyss doors? 21:43:46 Starspawn, T. 21:43:48 Zyme, A. 21:44:01 Abyss doesn't have very many doors, but they do turn up on occasion. 21:44:12 How about an abyssal who sticks around across abyss shifts? :) 21:44:16 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 21:44:32 how about an abyssmal 21:44:52 or an Abyssinian Prince? 21:45:39 ahhh, Zyme, A. is a seminal journal author 21:45:56 i've seen his work in the Journal of Abyssal Studies 21:46:02 Zyme's publications go back to ancient times. 21:46:06 indeed 21:46:11 They're as old as Lich, A.'s. 21:46:14 And Bear, A.'s. 21:46:25 (Different fields, same timeline. 21:46:26 Bear, A. is frankly not a very good writer 21:46:38 The Grimoire of Al-hazard? 21:46:40 Yeah, his papers are pretty unbearable sometimes. 21:46:45 har! 21:47:37 "Fruits and Berries in the Enchanted Forest: A Histological Analysis" was indecipherable garbage 21:48:41 although his threats to maul people led the conference holders to allow him to present it anyway 21:49:43 (what is going on) 21:49:52 ... 21:50:17 <|amethyst> XTAHUA DEMANDS NSA FUNDING! 21:50:18 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:50:21 <|amethyst> err 21:50:21 <|amethyst> NSF 21:50:25 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:50:27 XTAHUA IS EVERYWHERE. 21:50:39 There was a certain Nobel Prize winner who got banned from a large number of conferences for including nude pictures of women in his slides. Intentionally and repeatedly. 21:50:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:39 -!- Sovek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:08 SamB: maybe abyss outsider spawns could be more interesting if we grouped them up 21:53:39 Rather than taking 1/3rd of all spawns from a branch at uniform random, when it's time to spawn dudes, pick all of them from the outside with a 1/3rd chance 21:54:20 bh: I was thinking that when the Abyss had a Branch Theme on, it would spawn (nearly) all dudes from the branch in question 21:54:35 dpeg had suggested 1/3rd 21:54:39 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:36 but maybe a branch theme would only be active 1/3 of the time 21:56:22 hm. There are a couple of things we could try. Maybe we could add a few more abyssals? 21:56:49 which is exactly like what you said, if you make the theme active for only the duration of one spawn ... 21:57:05 yep 21:57:33 but I thought maybe longer would be better if you want to do that thing with the architecture ... 21:57:43 (how often do they spawn though?) 21:58:46 monsters spawn in the abyss every time it recenters and then frequently on a clock 22:02:38 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:04:20 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-475-g4961305: Add a branch to the abyss. 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 18+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49613050f70d 22:04:46 I *think* that doesn't break save compatbility 22:05:02 bh: that never gets initialised for a new game, does it? 22:05:14 Grunt: fffuuu... :( 22:05:44 bh: just add it to _initialize_abyss_state 22:05:45 -!- ZILOT has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:06:34 |amethyst: hah! i just now saw that. 22:07:22 Well, I think I'll land a couple of branches of mine that have been kicking around for a while. 22:07:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:07:57 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-476-g2b582ab: Set Abyssal sub-branch when initializing. 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b582ab0e932 22:08:38 IEEE Transactions on Abyssal Interactions 22:10:00 The ACM keeps spamming me. Their e-mails don't have an unsubscribe link 22:10:00 bh: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:10:48 ... 22:10:50 !messages 22:10:51 (1/2) guest46823 said (4m 55s ago): the serious main problem is going to be a smattering of first tier orcs or naga or agate snails or yaks: 22:10:55 !messages 22:10:56 (1/1) guest46823 said (3m 31s ago): general floor spawns really aren't necessarily interesting outside of large groups or very deep spots like crypt, forest, late D 22:11:18 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:11:48 ...latest incarnation of tarot-boy? 22:12:46 I'd like to know who it is. He or she has reasonable ideas. 22:13:39 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:44 * Grunt braces for complaints. 22:13:51 it's hangedman 22:14:14 MarvinPA: funny how he participates in ##c-d by reading the logs 22:14:18 (well, I guess I should finish making sure this compiles and plays first) 22:14:27 -!- Croesus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:15:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:39 -!- rdx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:58 !messages 22:21:59 No messages for bh. 22:24:22 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:25:10 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:17 ...ugh, I can't connect to gitorious :( 22:27:18 ...oh, I actually can; it's just being hideously slow. 22:29:26 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:29:27 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:30:58 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-477-g04def96: Simplify. 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=04def9691ecb 22:31:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:31:16 * Grunt assumes |amethyst is not having this problem! 22:31:42 ...oh, it is working now. 22:31:44 Right. 22:31:49 * Grunt re-braces for complaintage. 22:31:58 <|amethyst> no, but a day or two ago I had problems accessing their git:// URLs (from three different places so the problem wasn't on my end) 22:32:14 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-478-g630d5cd: Have the Orb not take up an inventory slot. 10(5 months ago, 5 files, 39+ 43-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=630d5cd27fa4 22:32:14 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-479-g3158a90: Tornado as a monster spell for the sole use of Lom Lobon. 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 106+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3158a90de020 22:32:14 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-480-gddbf9c5: Shut up a compiler warning. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ddbf9c55cddd 22:33:11 Grunt: lomnado AND runey orb? 22:33:40 lom lobon gets tornado now? 22:33:40 does "this isn't nerfed by monster translocations" mean he can blink and it follows him? 22:33:54 Yes, and I'm desperately trying to figure out how I can address that <_< 22:34:16 Technically players can do that too; it just caps the duration severely. 22:34:43 Oh, I have an immediate idea. 22:34:58 IMPLEMENT 22:35:04 Kind of ugly, but it addresses the immediate problem. 22:35:06 hang it NOW 22:35:39 dammit, this chromebook has a key that is analogous to the "windows" key in the same spot where caps lock would be on every normal keyboard 22:37:14 ProzacElf: good way to stop you from using capslock, isn't it? 22:37:42 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-481-gde00065: Don't have monsters consider blinking if Tornadoing. 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=de00065791da 22:37:45 <|amethyst> FR: tablock 22:38:13 -!- Croesus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:41:08 grr.. I can't find the code that spawns dudes over time 22:41:26 bh: _abyss_generate_monsters? 22:41:30 "dudes over time" would be a great band name 22:41:37 Grunt: nah, the regular ol' spawn code 22:41:41 -!- hhkb has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:42:51 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:53 bh: spawn_random_monsters in mon-place.cc? 22:43:00 "the regular ol' spawn code" is a pretty good band name too 22:43:15 Grunt: thanks 22:43:22 "Sigmnd and the Regular Ol' Spawn Coders" 22:43:33 ontoclasm: lol....sounds more prog rock than "dudes over time" though 22:43:37 yes 22:43:49 they were a lot better before they went mainstream 22:43:58 totally 22:44:15 those guys totally sold out 22:45:26 can we turn up the noise in Pan? 22:45:42 Pandemonium, ambient noise level: 0 22:45:52 Might as well call it "Demon Library" 22:46:23 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 22:46:31 Lom Lobon screams, "Shh! No talking!" 22:47:07 quiet places have negative values 22:47:39 D has 0, for example. 22:47:45 0 looks pretty standard, yes 22:47:46 The classical Pandemonium is supposed to be tremendously loud. 22:48:07 tremendously loud ambient noise does not play well 22:48:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:48:29 what are the units on size? 22:48:37 er %s/size/sound 22:48:40 wait, has sound been integrated, or are we just talking noise in game terms? 22:48:46 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:53 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: the latter 22:49:00 Venter: ok 22:49:09 oops 22:49:18 <|amethyst> how did that even happen? :) 22:49:43 heh, switched to this channel from ##crawl in the middle of typing a response to that guy 22:49:58 ProzacElf, the correct way to indicate that is, 22:50:01 doh 22:50:04 Just ask |amethyst. 22:50:06 ??amethyst 22:50:07 amethyst[1/5]: <|amethyst> doh 22:50:08 <|amethyst> ??amethyst 22:50:09 amethyst[1/5]: <|amethyst> doh 22:50:13 lol 22:50:22 oh hey! david ortiz won a truck! 22:50:32 he can't afford one after all 22:50:34 ProzacElf: is he a unique? 22:50:44 he must be 22:50:51 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-476-g2b582ab 22:51:46 i mean, i suspect he's illiterate, and he's beloved by the people of boston =p 22:52:21 well, ok, i only suspect him of being illiterate in english 22:52:27 ProzacElf: there's an utterance I would recommend not repeating in any bar in New England. 22:52:31 lol 22:52:54 bh: i have recently moved to boston, i know to keep my sports opinions to myself 22:54:11 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:54:31 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:31 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:56:37 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:59:54 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:01:32 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-482-gba20e99: Draw some abyssal spawns from outside the abyss. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba20e991ad91 23:01:34 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:02:05 bh, that's just initial abyss state spawns, innit? 23:02:22 Grunt: yep. It doesn't do branch selection 23:02:30 bh, I mean, 23:02:36 that's the placement at the time of the abyss shift. 23:02:42 ...not subsequent spawns. 23:02:45 and recenter, I believe 23:03:23 ok, what are you guys trying to achieve here? putting in mini-branches in the abyss? 23:04:15 give the abyss monster set some variety 23:04:20 oh 23:05:21 well, i already said that i think the vast majority of abyss monsters should be of the eldritch variety 23:05:39 I don't disagree. We need more monsters for that to work 23:05:44 but if it pulls in a few from other places.......well, it's the abyss 23:06:24 Grunt: can you give tornado to sigmund now? i think he needs a buff 23:06:27 i really like the eldritch monsters. the abyss felt like hell jr. before then 23:07:46 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:37 -!- ZILOT has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:10:30 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:13:08 -!- Quashie_ is now known as Quashie 23:13:35 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:55 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 23:15:32 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:16:44 bh, is this what you had in mind: http://sprunge.us/FLfJ 23:16:44 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:10 Grunt: additionally so, yes 23:17:34 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:18:25 how about 23:18:30 a new derived-undead type 23:18:37 except not undead >.> 23:18:44 "eldritch foo" 23:18:52 or something like that 23:19:04 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: "mockery of a foo" 23:19:05 a twisted, chaos-born reflection of a normal monster 23:19:05 eldritch ancient liches 23:19:12 eldritch lich 23:19:15 yes 23:19:29 (todo: emperor lich) 23:19:42 antediluvian lich 23:19:44 -!- ketsa_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:58 astronomical lich 23:19:58 eldritch orb of fire 23:20:03 orb of eldritch 23:20:16 eldritch abomination!!!! 23:20:30 a cyclopean horror 23:20:40 a cyclopean cyclops 23:20:45 a horrible cyclopean cyclops 23:20:55 a cyclopean golden eye 23:20:57 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:20:57 What if we make Hanged Man into a monster? that would really piss him off 23:20:59 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 23:21:09 bh: what does it do, summon vaults? 23:21:27 I don't know anything about tarot 23:21:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:21:34 bh: he's a already a randart inscription! 23:21:35 The Hanged Man gestures at you. Walls and monsters take shape around you! 23:22:00 hanged man zombie (07z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 9 | HP: 6-98 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(12), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 55 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 23:22:00 %??human zombie name:hanged_man n_rpl 23:22:12 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-483-gdaa046b: Have the one-in-three out-of-Abyss mons chance always apply (bh). 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=daa046bf585f 23:22:17 wizlab: Vault of The Hanged Man 23:22:20 The hanged man mutters, "These vaults are all crap." 23:24:47 Grunt: do you have ideas on how to do branch selection? 23:24:52 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range / ice storm (10d14), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:24:52 <|amethyst> %??lom lobon 23:24:56 bh: I've an idea; I'm working on it. 23:25:10 <|amethyst> stupid random rounding 23:25:12 you're the best 23:26:21 ontoclasm: I sort of like the idea of adding 'eldritch' as an undead type, but what on earth would it do? 23:29:03 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 23:32:39 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 23:33:28 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:34:37 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-484-gae2d0ec: Random level selection for out-of-Abyss spawns (bh). 10(57 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae2d0ec29a38 23:35:14 lol........i really want you guys to read Glen Cook's "Black Company" series now 23:35:23 bh: tada. 23:36:55 Grunt: that's problematic 23:37:06 oh, I see 23:37:57 that's pretty cool. But it's going to be too darn random 23:38:04 "Oh, a bat in the abyss." 23:38:15 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:38:21 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:39:32 -!- Whales has quit [Quit: snooze] 23:44:53 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:46:07 -!- GreatSpiff has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:25 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:52:01 -!- Twinge has quit [] 23:53:57 well, you'd have to set the depth 23:54:06 so you'd get like... eldritch yaktaurs 23:54:32 as for the properties, i guess like... chaos melee, batty movement, and replace random spells with random other spells 23:54:38 eldritch stone giant 23:55:36 just as simulacra are ice things mocking the original 23:56:30 -!- m1nced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:58:04 ontoclasm: I think random replacement would be a bad mechanic 23:58:32 an abomination golem 23:58:35 large abomination (04X) | Spd: 6-12 | HD: 11 | HP: 32-67 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 40 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(102), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 725 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 23:58:35 %??large abomination 23:58:37 it's made of abominations 23:58:50 The Royal Abomination 23:59:04 eldritch abomination! 23:59:28 small abomination (04x) | Spd: 7-15 | HD: 6 | HP: 14-40 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 23 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(40), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 141 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 23:59:28 %??small abomination 23:59:48 would it be un-abomination like to give aboms fixed speeds?