00:03:54 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:06:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-405-gb95792f (34) 00:11:53 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:15:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:16:03 -!- staplenun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:03 -!- Zileas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:25 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Excess Flood] 00:18:52 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:03 -!- popx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:55 * xFleury thinks the 27-headed Lernaean hydra ( http://crawl.chaosforge.org/The_Lernaean_hydra ) aught not spawn in the Swamp, ever. o.O 00:29:12 * xFleury pitted that thing against Mennas, and saw it kill Mennas 4 times out of 6. 00:35:13 xFleury: where do you think it SHOULD spawn? 00:37:12 Is there not a swamp/forest themed Pandemonium floor? 00:37:47 by the time you're in pan 00:37:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:54 the lernaean is usually a joke 00:38:44 the Lernaean hydra (08D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(120), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 5233 | Sz: Giant | Int: reptile. 00:38:44 %??lernaean hydra 00:38:57 xFleury: also mennas fights things by hitting them with a sharp blade 00:39:11 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:39:13 not to mention that mennas' big thing is his shield 00:39:17 which is not exactly the best strategy against TLF 00:39:18 TLH* 00:39:23 27 attacks against a shield is pretty bad 00:40:43 I think I'd still be afraid of this creature in pan. 00:40:58 well like 00:41:05 don't melee it 00:41:10 unless you're really really tough 00:41:26 but ther are plenty of ways to kill things that aren't melee 00:42:15 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:38 there's also pulling it outside 00:43:40 teleporting 00:43:49 then grabbing the rune and pray to cheesus it won't find you 00:44:36 -!- reaver has quit [] 00:45:55 In the arena, I can't tell if Menna's sharp blade actually severes heads (I can't see the creature's health ever rise). Nevertheless, what could be a creature most reminisencet of a heavy melee player 00:46:04 I probably can't put in "ghost of xFleury" xD 00:46:09 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-405-gb95792f (34) 00:50:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:53 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:50:57 xFleury: well, i killed TLH with pure melee if you want to watch 00:51:04 (it's boring because i just hit him) 00:51:26 also the reason mennas doesn't seem to be cutting heads is because TLH can't go above 27 heads 00:51:31 so it's just always maxed out 00:51:41 lots of people melee tlh. with good ac it doesnt do that much damage and it dies really fast. 00:52:30 -!- calebpearce has quit [Quit: calebpearce] 00:53:12 really the only way people die to tlh is not paying attention, finding themselves next to it, having low ac, and making the poor decision to do something other than read a blink scroll 00:53:56 at which point they just mashed to -50 hp before they have a chance to regret their actions 00:54:14 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:54:37 or slowly walking away in a vault filled with (shallow) water 00:54:43 yes 01:01:19 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:51 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-405-gb95792f (34) 01:10:57 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.0-25-g43d4df3 (34) 01:18:05 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-405-gb95792f (34) 01:20:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 01:20:59 -!- Wahaha has quit [] 01:22:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:24:05 -!- frostsno1 is now known as frostsnow 01:25:05 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:32:59 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:23 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:50 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/REGENROLLED.png 01:44:51 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-405-gb95792f 01:50:17 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:41 -!- Cronoth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:55:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:00:28 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:01:06 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03:02 Bloax, lol 02:03:18 Reminds me of running into Dowan Duvessa and Sigmund 02:03:47 SomeFellow: This is right after finding a ring of regeneration though. 02:03:55 Fortunately I got away. 02:04:00 Ah haha 02:04:11 You should know by now that this game hates you 02:07:37 -!- Miron1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08:30 Somefellow: After splatting with a wand of healing and a preservation cloak to a god damn death yak, yes. 02:12:57 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:16:34 -!- Zhukov has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:41 -!- Cerepol has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:21:12 -!- FlyingSquare has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:27:33 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:09 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:36:14 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:48:42 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:49:36 Does anybody know why this is happening when trying to compile? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6310794/ 02:51:10 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:29 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:46 -!- andrey_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:56:32 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:01:43 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:17:25 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17:56 -!- Cronoth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:19:18 Can anybody give me a hand getting crawl to compile with webtiles? 03:20:03 I think its not compiling because I dont have ordereddict or tornado, but theres no documention on how to install those 03:20:36 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:20:38 Somefellow: looks like you don't have the SDL 1 packages 03:21:19 try sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev libsdl1.2debian 03:21:51 I'm on CentOS, and I have SDL 1.2.14-3.el6 03:22:10 and SDL-devel 1.2.14-3.el6 03:28:31 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 03:29:08 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:30:00 -!- UrQuan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:37:55 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: Now if you will excuse me, I have a giant ball of oil to throw out my window] 03:45:03 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:47:44 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:49:42 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 03:49:54 Any idea DrinkMachine ? 03:50:04 Oh okay 03:50:10 When you used the ubuntu paste it threw me off 03:50:12 uhm 03:51:17 Yeah sorry haha 03:51:44 make -C rltiles all ARCH=x86_64-redhat-linux TILES=y 03:51:45 My Ubuntu machine is too low end to compile it 03:51:46 should have known 03:52:08 I'm trying to compile it using WEBTILES=y 03:52:29 Just replace TILES=y with WEBTILES=y ? 03:53:46 I suppose that works 03:54:10 or it might actually be the same 03:54:27 Either way, that command throws the same error 03:54:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:58 hm 03:56:00 wonder if SDL on a 64 bit machine is any different 03:57:08 Ok, seems that SDL_image is a seperate package, and for some reason, its not in the CentOS respitory 03:57:12 http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_image/release/SDL_image-devel-1.2.12-1.x86_64.rpm 03:57:14 ^ 03:57:20 ahead of you :) 03:57:39 I forgot about that -- I've not written SDL in quite some time 03:57:49 SDL_image and SDL_mixer were so important 03:59:34 [root@server source]# rpm -ivh SDL_image-devel-1.2.12-1.x86_64.rpm 03:59:34 error: Failed dependencies: 03:59:34 SDL_image is needed by SDL_image-devel-1.2.12-1.x86_64 03:59:34 libSDL_image-1.2.so.0()(64bit) is needed by SDL_image-devel-1.2.12-1.x86_64 04:01:16 http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_image/release/SDL_image-1.2.12-1.src.rpm http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_image/release/SDL_image-1.2.12-1.x86_64.rpm may be of more help then 04:01:20 -!- fdshfkda has quit [Client Quit] 04:01:50 Apparently I can get it if I install EPEL 04:02:37 * DrinkMachine flashes $1.25 04:05:22 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06:32 Alrighty, installed EPEL and I'm getting heaps more SDL packages, including SDL_image 04:06:36 Will keep you updated 04:07:49 Good luck. 04:08:10 It's going further than before which is a good sign 04:18:50 DrinkMachine, WARN: Could not write dgl status file: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: './rcs/status' 04:18:53 Any idea? 04:20:25 And also ERR: Webtiles require an UTF-8 locale. 04:23:49 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 04:25:18 -!- cfoofoo has quit [] 04:25:45 Seems I fixed it 04:25:47 I think 04:26:52 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:27:31 Ok final question, how would I compile the source into the stable version 04:31:42 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:07 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:40:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:40:08 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:43 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:50:25 -!- Cronoth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:55:33 I took a guess and assumed this was the way to do it 04:55:35 git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git -b stone_soup-0.13 04:56:03 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:26 (Talking to self) 05:00:31 Somefellow, sorry, I was playing LoL 05:00:39 Thats alright haha 05:00:45 I'm teaching myself stuffs 05:01:03 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:01:07 yes it does require a UTF-8 locale, because the original rltiles has japanese UTF-8 in it 05:01:09 for whatever reason 05:01:14 lol 05:01:23 Umm, so regarding that first error 05:01:33 Do you know how to fix it? 05:01:42 THe dgl staus file thing 05:02:30 and no I've never seen that problem 05:02:38 Hm 05:02:39 don't suppose it's too big of a deal though 05:03:02 I'll see if it comes up once the stable finishes compisling 05:03:06 compiling* 05:07:09 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:09:00 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:12 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 05:21:19 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:21:49 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:04 -!- Yakesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:34:27 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:16 !seen elliptic 05:36:17 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:36:17 I last saw elliptic at Sun Oct 27 01:41:41 2013 UTC (8h 54m 36s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Leaving'. 05:36:21 !messages 05:36:22 (1/1) bh said (9h 51m 35s ago): I think the runelock is the wrong way to go. If we want to stop people from diving the dungeon in preference for the lair branches, we should instead just ramp up the difficulty curve 05:36:52 I think that's harder to execute 05:37:06 huh? 05:37:20 I think that is harder to execute. 05:37:58 -!- thorgipup has quit [Quit: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day] 05:38:11 !tell bh Yes, that is certainly an approach. But I think it's harder to get to work than the simple lock (more subsequent tweaks necessary, more current gameplay feeling lost). 05:38:12 dpeg: OK, I'll let bh know. 05:38:14 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 05:38:38 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:31 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 05:51:27 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:57:40 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:00:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:18:13 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:44 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 06:35:47 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:38:13 Tiles display a monster that is already dead as alive (but act properly, as if he's dead) by Sar 06:41:29 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:43:39 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:53:03 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:55:14 -!- Stelpa6 has quit [Client Quit] 06:55:31 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 07:00:23 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:27:01 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:27:39 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:37:28 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:37:57 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:24 -!- flappity has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:13 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:55:34 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 08:12:52 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:05 -!- jiero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:24:18 how much do gauntlets of dexterity improve ranged tohit/damage? 08:27:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:27:55 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:31:13 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:36:16 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:42:56 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:48:12 rast the Crack Shot (L24 CeHu) (D:23) 08:48:45 arrrrrrg 08:52:15 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:01:17 -!- morik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:24 -!- tinybat has quit [Quit: tinybat] 09:05:24 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:44 -!- dg_ has quit [] 09:30:12 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:28 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:57 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-406-g9cddb8d: Veto on failure to place a 100% chance vault. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cddb8dbda33 09:33:59 -!- hayuto has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:33:59 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:43:26 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:32 remind me if im correct here: 09:43:49 the reason Okawaru keeps giving me artifact sheilds is that my shield slot is empty? 09:44:06 Because I'm wielding a longbow at 25.0 skill 09:45:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:11 -!- Whales has quit [Quit: cider time] 09:52:28 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:28 in the unrand vaults 09:58:36 the unrand itself should probably have no_pickup 09:58:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:01 i just got the ring of vitality from its vault for free because some orc grabbed it for me 10:00:54 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:02:17 -!- reaver has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:56 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:05 rast: no having something to fill a slot for the purposes of god gifts and acquirement means you've never even seen an item to go in that slot. So no. 10:03:14 ok np 10:06:47 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:09 Tenaya the Bludgeoner (L13 KoBe) (Lair:4) 10:12:42 -!- Gullinborsti has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:59 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:13:09 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:14:14 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15:16 Wckdneer the Firebug (L4 GrFE) (D:3) 10:16:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:20:23 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:25:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:16 qtip the Sorcerer (L20 SpEE) (D:22) 10:31:02 qtip the Sorcerer (L20 SpEE) (D:22) 10:39:19 -!- Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:27 hrm 10:39:39 either the feature regex glyph reassignment doesn't work right or the documentation is wrong 10:39:47 "feature" glyph reassignment does not work properly on "broken pillar[s]" by G-Flex 10:39:53 yeah, that 10:41:32 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:42:49 <|amethyst> it goes by the built-in feature description, not the actual run-time description 10:42:59 hrm 10:43:12 then the documentation is wrong, or the implementation is bad, depending on the intended behavior :P 10:43:20 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:27 I like to think the latter is true since the documentation's behavior does sound like what is intended 10:45:38 <|amethyst> there are efficiency issues with doing the match at runtime 10:46:18 <|amethyst> but perhaps if that could be restricted to only redefined features it might not be so bad 10:46:32 yeah 10:46:39 how often are things redefined that way? 10:46:51 I'm guessing stuff like the pan disco ball? 10:47:12 <|amethyst> in wizlab_mu it's eevry single wall 10:47:17 haha 10:47:25 <|amethyst> and floor, and water, and doors 10:47:32 I don't remember that 10:47:43 also probably the cheap white crystal walls in that one nemelex vaults 10:47:45 vault* 10:47:50 stuff like that? 10:48:25 <|amethyst> yes 10:49:54 Acquirement ignores unarmed preference, gifts weapons by neuralroberts 10:52:22 |amethyst: thanks, it makes a bit more sense to me now 10:56:33 what's going on with these crashes on CAO? 10:58:30 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:59:36 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-407-gc6b2cad: Kill the player upon gaining frail / losing robust / etc mutations. 10(5 hours ago, 4 files, 21+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6b2cad4663b 10:59:36 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-408-g6c2f7d2: Fix Xom's lifesaving on unhandled mutations. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 48-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c2f7d2fff36 11:00:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it seems like some kind of deadlock between crawl and webtiles 11:01:08 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05:10 * kilobyte ponders picking c6b2cad to 0.13. If you have robust/rough scales and a potion of cure mut, or a source of mutations plus some luck, you can get a full restore, including curing all rot, etc, by going below 10% hp, becoming more frail then saving and restoring. 11:05:30 it does add a new ktyp, though 11:06:40 -!- reaver has quit [] 11:07:15 <|amethyst> wait, gaining frail just cuts your currhp by 10% of maxhp? 11:07:22 <|amethyst> I thought it would be proportional 11:08:14 <|amethyst> instant death from drinking cure mutation seems kind of bad 11:08:22 making it proportional could be another solution, yeah 11:08:48 although rot never scales 11:09:57 so unless we rescale rot, it would still make it possible to die this way. That's a good deal harder to pull on demand, though. 11:10:17 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 11:10:29 (unless you have that Swamp ending, that is. That's probably the only safe miasma generator) 11:10:58 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:11:30 still, rotting yourself to the brink of death to abuse a bug is something relatively few players would do 11:11:48 corpse rot is a pretty safe way to generate miasma on command 11:12:33 <|amethyst> the problem being that rot can drop you to 0 HP? 11:12:37 <|amethyst> without killing you? 11:12:57 <|amethyst> I though we fixed that a year or two ago... maybe it got unfixed 11:13:25 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:13:32 <|amethyst> definitely rot should be able to kill you 11:13:54 rot does kill you, getting 90 rot at 100 maxhp then gaining frail/losing robust did not until c6b2cad 11:14:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, so it depends on how "proportional" is counted for frail/robust purposes 11:14:38 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:53 I also should haven't abused hp<=0 as a flag for pending felid revival, too 11:15:08 <|amethyst> my thought: you lose 10% of currhp 11:15:22 <|amethyst> easy to explain, easy to implement, and never fatal if you round down 11:17:05 -!- mdvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:18:41 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:57 <|amethyst> (maybe there are some situations where you'd have to cap at new maxhp to avoid negative rot) 11:24:24 <|amethyst> s/negative rot/excess currhp over the rotted max/ 11:27:44 knowing when to scale might be tricky, too 11:27:59 there are corner cases like, say, Ash-reskilling out of Fighting 11:29:19 or, when thoroughly rotten, wielding Botono / removing Robustness 11:34:23 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:41:31 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:42:09 -!- Implojin has quit [Client Quit] 11:47:54 -!- fungee^ is now known as fungee 11:55:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-409-gaecfd6b: Don't allow Vampires to be lichformed 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aecfd6b6c991 11:55:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-410-g0052189: Adjust some guarded_unrand vaults 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0052189f9e56 12:00:50 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:12 * kilobyte .oO( gnome col:lightgreen name:leprechaun n_rpl n_spe n_des ; club unrand:devastator ) 12:03:21 add a pile of gold retiled to a pot 12:06:58 -!- zoopp has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08:16 <|amethyst> kilobyte: s/gnome/spriggan/ 12:08:36 <|amethyst> "Spriggans were depicted as grotesquely ugly, and were said to be found at old ruins and barrows guarding buried treasure and generally acting as fairy bodyguards." 12:09:49 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.0-25-g43d4df3 12:09:54 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:23 well, I wanted to avoid spriggan speed which seems quite unfitting a leprechaun 12:13:06 but then, it's not like myths are anything like consistent 12:16:09 -!- Wark- has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:18:41 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:29 -!- dg__ has quit [] 12:27:13 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-410-g0052189 (34) 12:30:46 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:34:46 what are rpl, spe, and des? 12:35:03 are those enchantments? First one repel missiles? 12:38:12 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:39:08 hrm, just noticed a problem with auto_drop_chunks 12:39:27 every time I walk over this pile of chunks, my character drops one and picks up a different one from the pile 12:39:31 (all these chunks are identical) 12:40:07 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:44:45 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 12:50:00 yeah, that's a fairly old issue i think 12:50:01 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:50:12 it gets into loops pretty often unfortunately 12:50:59 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:51:07 <|amethyst> Flex: n_rpl n_spe n_des describe how name: changes the name 12:51:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:58 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:40 how do I know how long I'll still have Fly status if it says "you're starting to lose your buoyancy"? 12:52:43 <|amethyst> Flex: see docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt for the full details: n_rpl means "leprechaun" replaces the original name "gnome"; n_spe means it's a species name so should apply to corpses as well; and n_des means it's a word not a name, so should get articles 12:53:26 is there a set number of turns? 12:53:39 or a % of turns? 12:53:52 <|amethyst> no, it's randomized 12:53:52 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:53:57 ? 12:54:01 are you joking? 12:54:16 <|amethyst> you have around 10 turns left, I believe, but it could be more or less 12:54:33 <|amethyst> No, durations are supposed to be random 12:54:41 well yes 12:54:44 <|amethyst> you're not supposed to know exactly when they'll expire 12:54:45 I know that 12:55:01 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:56:32 <|amethyst> oh, hm 12:56:36 but 12:57:02 there being a set number of turns you have left would be kinda great 12:57:18 <|amethyst> reading more carefully, sounds like it's between 5 and 10 turns left 12:57:21 Ladykiller69: when you get that message, you have enough time to teleport 12:57:59 not the worst amount of time 12:58:42 is there a force more message if you do it over deep water? 12:59:39 <|amethyst> "Are you sure you want to move over that deep water while you are losing your buoyancy?" 12:59:54 <|amethyst> s/that // 13:00:04 no what I mean 13:00:16 if you're currently over deep water and you're losing it 13:00:28 starting to lose it 13:00:35 is there a force more message there? 13:01:44 <|amethyst> Ladykiller69: yes, by default we have force_more_message += Careful! 13:01:52 ah 13:01:56 good 13:02:02 wasnt sure 13:02:56 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:04:16 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:40 -!- reaver__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:06:16 -!- reaver__ is now known as reaver7 13:07:09 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:08:01 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-411-geca39fc: Fix an use-after-free crash. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 40+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eca39fc5a558 13:08:53 -!- reaver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10:29 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:18 is there any point to the =k inscription? it seems like some weird, partly functional squelch option? 13:14:49 someday the c++ folks will discover^Winvent garbage collection... 13:15:16 geekosaur: ? 13:15:24 use after free 13:15:44 geekosaur: and how exactly would garbage collection help here? 13:16:39 -!- reaver7 has quit [] 13:17:34 kilobyte: 'cause you wouldn't be managing memory in the first place. 13:17:46 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 13:18:11 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:47 if you kept the same logic it wouldn't help you of course. but that logic is defective anyway when there is real memory management :p 13:19:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:19:43 no one actually wants to be managing memory. And if someone thinks that they want to, they're probably mistaken 13:20:01 <|amethyst> note that kilobyte's patch does nothing with memory management 13:20:48 the problem was in accessing the enchantment after it was gone 13:20:53 <|amethyst> if there were gc, then we'd be adjusting a mon_enchant that didn't actually belong to the monster 13:21:03 <|amethyst> which wouldn't cause a crash, but that doesn't make it better 13:21:20 if we used garbage collection here, the destructor would be postponed until some later inappropriate moment 13:21:53 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-412-gc0cc29d: Remove the =s inscription 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0cc29d996a2 13:22:12 <|amethyst> crawl doesn't do a lot of new/delete anyway 13:22:37 <|amethyst> we use scope and RAII much more frequently 13:22:37 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24:04 <|amethyst> and RAII is kind of hard to do without deterministic destructors... not that you can't have deterministic destruction of scoped variables in a gced language, but that doesn't seem to be common 13:26:53 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:28:11 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:29:20 <|amethyst> you can get quite a bit of gc-like behaviour, anyway, with C++11's or boost's pointer templates 13:30:07 <|amethyst> if we can figure out something to do for the Mac situation 13:33:24 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:34:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:36:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-413-gafa3d18: Sync manual from Wiki. 10(76 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=afa3d1883c91 13:37:16 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38:35 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:44:57 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-414-gede5a84: Don't consider a hard_reset dismissal on the arena to be an error. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ede5a845fb8b 13:45:03 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:24 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:46:51 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:26 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-415-g69e7fb9: Drop an untrue comment. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=69e7fb98dc58 13:49:36 MarvinPA: +1 to dropping =k, it seems so incredibly situational even those who would want to use it won't remember about it 13:54:41 <|amethyst> btw, the issue hasufell pointed out with luajit is still there 13:55:11 <|amethyst> you can't do a 64-bit built with luajit, because 64-bit luajit doesn't allow custom allocators 13:55:17 <|amethyst> s/built/build/ 13:55:43 I'm not sure luajit ever worked on 32-bit either 13:55:59 at least the last time I tried it, it crashed on startup 13:56:40 <|amethyst> %git a7c14a442 13:56:41 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-239-ga7c14a4: Fix a bad Lua string (hasufell) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7c14a4424ac 13:56:44 <|amethyst> that was one problem 13:56:54 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:38 yes, the second one was in clua.cc in void CLua::init_lua() 13:57:42 -!- shummie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:57:46 _state = managed_vm? lua_newstate(_clua_allocator, this) : luaL_newstate(); 13:57:52 was causing crash 13:58:09 a segfault IIRC, but it was so long ago I'm not really sure 13:58:14 <|amethyst> hm 13:58:30 <|amethyst> we could give up the custom allocator for non-DGL builds 13:59:21 <|amethyst> I think? 13:59:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:37 <|amethyst> I believe all it did was implement a memory quota 13:59:51 <|amethyst> maybe a runtime quota too? 14:01:02 looks like I'd need to get that profiler operative, to know whether it's worth messing with luajit 14:01:22 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-416-g34af19d: End the tournament. 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34af19d381a2 14:01:32 or perhaps we could just run canned tests to see how much (or if at all) it improves them 14:02:21 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:21 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 14:02:21 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:55 <|amethyst> ah, why did no one remind me to link the tournament pages from the CAO front page? :) 14:06:51 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:07:38 well, you can still link it for the remaining 53 minutes :p 14:08:37 <|amethyst> done :) 14:09:19 I seem to recall someone mentioning it around the start of the tournament... 14:11:51 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 14:13:55 <|amethyst> well, why did no one remind me twice? :) 14:14:20 <|amethyst> there is a buck, it must be passed 14:14:47 -!- Nstar has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:15:45 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:41 looks more like a mse to me 14:27:00 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-417-g716d9f2: Improve a variable name. 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=716d9f248daa 14:29:26 |amethyst: Were you so overcome by your no. 2 performance at most high scores that you just forgot? 14:29:49 <|amethyst> heh 14:29:56 <|amethyst> that and midterms 14:30:39 <|amethyst> thought I'd be able to hold on to #1, but it's not happening :) 14:31:50 <|amethyst> !hs * t dghu 14:31:50 87. Kellhus the Phalangite (L18 DgHu), mangled by a slime creature on Vaults:3 on 2013-10-27 17:48:13, with 235530 points after 71421 turns and 2:15:42. 14:31:51 <|amethyst> !hs * t dghu -2 14:31:52 86/87. KiloByte the Basher (L17 DgHu), slain by a frost giant (a +0,+0 battleaxe of freezing) on Vaults:3 (ontoclasm_vaults_shout) on 2013-10-27 15:29:03, with 211537 points after 42733 turns and 4:01:19. 14:33:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:29 that highscore is lost anyway, unless johnnyzero would neither splat nor win but fail to end that game before the tourney's end 14:35:28 <|amethyst> Go up to D3 and commit suicide 14:46:37 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:31 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:47:34 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 14:48:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:34 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:51:37 -!- morik_ is now known as morik 14:55:26 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:32 oh man 14:55:36 end of time 14:55:47 -!- FDahlmeyer has quit [Quit: FDahlmeyer] 14:56:27 why is there no cooking funktion/skill in this game? 14:56:47 <|amethyst> because it would be boring 14:56:59 I would roleplay the shit out of that 14:57:08 <|amethyst> food will be removed before cooking is added as anything but a randgod ability 14:57:54 eat every species once with exquisite side dishes 14:58:30 and then you gain the power to eat the orb 14:59:02 <|amethyst> now, if jiyva let you eat the orb, that might be amusing 14:59:38 the question is 14:59:41 what would happen 14:59:44 if you did that 14:59:47 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59:49 you would 14:59:50 die 15:00:11 maybe the slime that ate the orb would become another TRJ 15:00:18 <|amethyst> you'd glow purple and your bowels would become the next dungeon of zot 15:00:23 and there goes the timer 15:00:28 what's that tv where someone threw the orb into lava in the temple (back when that was possible)? 15:00:29 <|amethyst> in fact, this is where the current dungeon comes from 15:01:04 and you'd have to escape the dungeon before it became the ultimate slime pit 15:01:13 <|amethyst> in Zot:5 those aren't lungs, but rather kidneys 15:01:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:23 and instead of hard monsters you'd have to parcour your way out 15:01:29 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:02:17 ??lore 15:02:18 I don't have a page labeled lore in my learndb. 15:02:23 this game needs lore 15:02:33 <|amethyst> ??fanfic 15:02:34 fanfiction[1/5]: "Celestial Star-Crossed Lovers Eternal", by Wensley: http://i.imgur.com/AlHocTv.png 15:07:11 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:07:48 -!- Wahaha has quit [] 15:08:52 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:09:41 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:20:01 -!- Nightbeer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:18 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:24:29 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:49 -!- ketsa has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:14 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 15:28:31 -!- beef42_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:41 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:37:01 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:38 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:57 -!- Nstar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:49:20 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:23 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:40 -!- Zileas has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54:00 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:54:33 -!- XLukarX has quit [Client Quit] 15:57:45 -!- qtip has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:17 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:02 hrm 16:03:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:04:47 -!- Raycaster has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:33 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:49 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:36 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:23 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27:52 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:29:51 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:31:04 -!- m1nced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:32:48 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:33:51 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:02 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:44:04 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:44:33 -!- bmfx has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:42 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:48:46 -!- myrmidette has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:47 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:03 there were some changes to hunger in trunk; has the berserk cutoff point been changed intentionally or by accident? 16:54:51 wheals: yes, no, possibly 16:55:18 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:22 i tried to berserk with a "hungry" status light and it said i was too hungry 16:55:35 that's never happened to me before, if i recall correctly 16:56:05 yeah, there's a hard-coded number that doesn't use #defines 16:56:18 how evil 16:57:51 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-418-gf86944d: Use the proper #define for berserk hunger boundary. 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f86944d2a848 16:58:07 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-417-g716d9f2 (34) 16:58:12 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-417-g716d9f2 (34) 16:59:15 wow, a bare number 16:59:20 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-419-g60082f2: Use a COMPILE_CHECK instead of an ASSERT. 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60082f27ef71 17:05:38 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-417-g716d9f2 (34) 17:11:47 -!- Kautzman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:12:32 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:12:57 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-420-gbd1df2a: Remove some unused commands 10(79 minutes ago, 5 files, 0+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd1df2a5a71a 17:13:34 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-417-g716d9f2 (34) 17:16:36 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:12 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 17:27:41 -!- jiero has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130911164256]] 17:33:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:46 -!- chlorine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:40:28 question 17:40:35 there are names under all uniques right? 17:40:39 I didnt just make that up? 17:40:44 (tiles) 17:41:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:02 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:59 -!- rossi_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:48:37 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:49:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:51:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:52:43 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:52:52 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:19 Nightbeer: I don't think you just made that up 17:53:30 allright 17:53:31 then 17:53:40 the tengu king didnt have that. 17:53:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:22 0.13? I think some of the 0.14 uniques leaked into it in incomplete form? although I also thoguht most of those were fixed 17:55:35 -!- myrmidette has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:56:25 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:56:52 I'm trunk 17:58:46 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:23 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:27 <|amethyst> Nightbeer: hm, works for me 18:02:37 <|amethyst> shows "Sojobo" 18:02:41 <|amethyst> local tiles that is 18:02:43 hm 18:02:54 webtiles clan 18:03:12 do you have the newest? 18:03:17 <|amethyst> oh, webtiles doesn't show those 18:03:31 <|amethyst> you have to look at the monster list below the map instead 18:04:08 <|amethyst> Certainly we'd take a patch to do it 18:04:23 is the monster list fixed now? 18:04:34 <|amethyst> fixed in what way? 18:04:43 it used to show 18:04:44 well 18:04:46 wrong things 18:05:06 <|amethyst> I think most of those bugs have been fixed 18:05:16 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure 18:05:20 thx 18:05:38 I never noticed that it wasnt there in tiles 18:05:39 <|amethyst> %git c23881 18:05:51 07edlothiol02 * 0.13-a0-2538-gc238810: Fix the Webtiles monster list (#7332). 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2388105426b 18:05:51 eh 18:05:51 webtiles 18:13:25 -!- Camicio has quit [] 18:15:41 Is there any sort of "config" file for the webtiles server? 18:15:52 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte re the submerged fish crashes, you might check on my commit 220d423 18:15:53 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 18:16:18 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte I thought the surrounding code did the habitibility checks, but perhaps they missed something 18:16:19 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 18:16:21 Somefellow, if you mean rc files, it uses the same rc as console. there should be an "(edit rc)" link 18:16:38 Maybe I'll explain better 18:17:00 <|amethyst> Somefellow: source/webserver/config.py 18:17:05 I downloaded 0.13 stable source, compiled for webtiles, but it displays "Play Trunk" 18:17:08 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:40 <|amethyst> hah, never even considered that :) 18:18:01 <|amethyst> maybe we should change the default config in release versions of webtiles 18:18:20 <|amethyst> most webtiles servers use trunk so it never came up before :) 18:18:36 I'll check out config.py 18:19:09 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 18:19:21 <|amethyst> if you want to do a 0.13 webtiles server, what I'd recommend is 18:19:53 <|amethyst> use the "webserver" directory from trunk, and the crawl stuff from 0.13 18:20:40 <|amethyst> we don't usually backport server-side webtiles fixes to stable 18:21:18 <|amethyst> nor client-side changes that are in the global rather than version-specific directory 18:21:46 <|amethyst> (we do backport crawl-side, and game_data, changes) 18:22:21 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:41 OK, I think I see how to first off, rename it into Crawl 0.13 18:26:53 And second add multiple versions 18:28:15 <|amethyst> also, you should probably change crypt_algorithm 18:28:28 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:28:43 <|amethyst> to "6" instead of "broken" 18:30:36 <|amethyst> or at the very least to false 18:30:42 -!- NekoRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:27 -!- tibbless has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:35:12 What does that do? 18:35:32 <|amethyst> it makes it store passwords in a more secure way 18:36:15 I get it 18:36:28 <|amethyst> the default way (needed for compatibility with dgamelaunch) uses the first two characters as the salt 18:37:04 I did set dgamelaunch=y when compiling 18:37:07 Or doesnt matter? 18:38:03 <|amethyst> it's not strictly necessary but it's usually a good idea 18:38:54 <|amethyst> USE_DGAMELAUNCH=y that is 18:40:24 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:24 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 18:40:24 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:37 Yeah i used that 18:41:02 Do you manually update trunk |amethyst or do you have a script? 18:41:18 <|amethyst> several scripts 18:41:36 Hm 18:41:59 <|amethyst> the public servers are a lot more complicated than what you're doing, since they have to support multiple game versions and save transfers and so on 18:42:38 <|amethyst> hm, tzer0 said he made a wiki entry out of my list... 18:42:40 <|amethyst> let me see 18:43:04 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles 18:43:38 <|amethyst> Again, this is way beyond what you need if you just want to have several friends playing 18:43:56 I'm thinking of making it public 18:44:11 -!- ancientFruitRoll has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:19 Currently there are no servers anywhere near Australia 18:44:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-421-g5ae7897: Fix a --test crash. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ae78977690c 18:44:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-422-g3660ee2: Make -test NORETURN and easier to valgrind. 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 29+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3660ee2c86d4 18:44:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-423-g2f15708: Actually init per-game seeds outside save transfers. 10(71 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f157086867a 18:44:52 <|amethyst> ah, yes, a public server in that area would be nice 18:44:55 Somefellow: hello 18:45:01 ZChris13, Hi 18:45:13 <|amethyst> Somefellow: what kind of hardware and bandwidth do you have? 18:45:22 you're actually thinking of setting up an australia server? 18:45:47 Yea 18:46:01 20Mbit 500GB bandwidth 18:46:06 1GB Ram 18:46:08 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:18 <|amethyst> 1GB RAM is not enough 18:46:24 No? 18:46:33 <|amethyst> not for dozens of players 18:46:37 Hm 18:46:54 depends how many players you expect 18:46:54 kilobyte: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:47:06 the marginal cost is around 50MB/player 18:47:19 <|amethyst> Somefellow: CSZO is currently using about 3 GB not counting disk cache 18:47:33 <|amethyst> Somefellow: CAO about 5 GG 18:47:36 <|amethyst> GB 18:47:56 <|amethyst> and CDO about 4 18:48:01 I dont imagine it would be as popular as those 18:48:09 |amethyst: so that 50MB figure is off? It's an overestimate for console... 18:48:18 I'm sure it would be worth giving it a testrun 18:48:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte: well, each server is doing more than just running crawl 18:48:49 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so I wouldn't necessarily try to extrapolate from those numbers 18:48:51 worst case, you'll just throttle the max number of simultaneous players 18:49:09 <|amethyst> Somefellow: what about disk? 18:49:20 50GB lol 18:50:07 <|amethyst> you will burn through that in three months tops :) 18:50:14 I could expand that 18:51:49 <|amethyst> fast disk is also good---it feels like the biggest bottleneck on CSZO, besides the occasional ISP problem, is I/O throughput 18:51:52 well, it depends on the use 18:52:04 how many players do we have in .au? 18:52:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte: we're supposedly popular in Japan? 18:53:15 Really? 18:53:22 Is it the TTYrecs that use most of the HD? 18:53:22 <|amethyst> there was a pacific-rim crawl server at somatika for a little while 18:53:40 <|amethyst> Somefellow: ttyrecs, and old copies of crawl from doing daily updates 18:54:06 Would offering trunk be a must? 18:54:09 Or stable good enough? 18:54:20 or trunk with forced transfers 18:54:44 Hm 18:54:46 <|amethyst> yeah, but that would require some work on the scripts 18:55:12 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:55:36 <|amethyst> but if you force transfers, you only have to keep the last version before each major bump (and major bumps are rare these days) 18:57:10 -!- Froggeryz has quit [] 18:57:19 <|amethyst> you definitely want crontab compression, though (and the rewrite rule that makes that not break the bots) 18:57:57 <|amethyst> there's also a "clean trunks" thing you can run from a crontab 18:58:20 -!- Skeleton_ is now known as demiskeleton 18:58:21 <|amethyst> that will remove old versions of trunk that have no active players 18:58:58 as for trunks: while during tournaments only the current stable counts, folks tend to have a strong preference for trunk 18:59:03 <|amethyst> should be possible to modify that as kilobyte suggests and force-transfer inactive players (move their save to the new directory) 18:59:15 because it's where all the shiniest goodiest are (and all the new bugs) 18:59:23 <|amethyst> locking would be the hard part there 18:59:37 or possibly a hybrid, by taking X newest trunks 19:00:10 somatika? 19:00:10 <|amethyst> I guess you could just, in the dgamelaunch-config stuff, treat trunk as a stable release 19:00:13 heck, it could even be something using a backup scheme, with trunks spread out in time :p 19:00:16 <|amethyst> ??csn 19:00:17 csn[1/1]: Webtiles trunk server at crawlus.somatika.net (US). Doesn't have its own bot yet, but Sequell knows about games played there. Seems to be very dead. 19:00:29 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:43 It's so dead it's not even listed on Google anymore. 19:01:15 Also, once i have compiled the webtiles server, what can I delete from the source? 19:01:29 <|amethyst> CSN was US, but before that one there was an Australian (I think) server hosted by the same (guy? people?) 19:02:10 <|amethyst> Somefellow: the .o files, but I wouldn't bother 19:02:19 * xFleury ponders if he could find a crawl server on http://www.google.co.jp 19:02:22 Hm 19:02:30 <|amethyst> Somefellow: even in stable you're going to want updates, and those will be faster if you don't clean your build directory 19:02:39 Gotcha 19:03:07 <|amethyst> xFleury: "popular" was an overstatement, or maybe "popular for a roguelike" 19:03:29 <|amethyst> xFleury: and maybe that was more in the pre-DCSS days 19:03:54 oh :( 19:04:57 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:07:50 <|amethyst> ??dgwn 19:07:51 dgwn[1/3]: when I first started playing I met some Japanese players who were remarkably better than anyone I've seen play, to this day, and they said that Demigod Wanderers were so easy to ascend with that they classified runs as DgWn runs and Non-DgWn runs 19:08:33 wot 19:10:03 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:13:12 ??dgwn[2 19:13:12 dgwn[2/3]: http://crawlj.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/scores0/viewer.cgi?lJ+sdd+fo 19:13:53 -!- Yakesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:14:45 ??dgwn[3 19:14:46 dgwn[3/3]: 神々の末裔 放浪者 19:15:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18:13 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:19:15 |amethyst, Do you use ccache? 19:20:07 <|amethyst> yes 19:21:20 How do you use it exactly 19:22:41 so, what does dgwn[3] mean? 19:23:25 the google translate sounds like it may be an insult of some kind 19:23:48 but it may also be total bs 19:24:20 Descendant wanderer of the Gods 19:24:25 Aka 19:24:31 <|amethyst> Somefellow: I do export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH at the top of the script that runs the updates 19:24:33 DgWn 19:25:13 i think it somehow interprets "wanderer" als "promiscous" 19:25:17 <|amethyst> and I configured ccache size 19:25:31 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-423-g2f15708 (34) 19:25:32 gtranslate is good at that kind of thing. possibly some slang 19:25:34 oh, google, your wonders never cease 19:25:43 <|amethyst> alefury: certainly the semantic connection makes sense 19:26:05 did you know google translate can read arbitrary strings to you in many languages 19:26:08 the results can be quite funny 19:26:48 that's good 19:26:55 i spend very fun 15 minutes with that a few days ago 19:26:57 it was good 19:27:50 <|amethyst> http://translationparty.com/ 19:28:29 "The owls are not what they seem." -> "Similarly, is the OWL." 19:28:33 how did "owl" get into all caps 19:28:57 -!- Duke- has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:29:37 http://translationparty.com/#11104749 19:29:39 I dont even 19:29:47 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Ontology_Language 19:31:49 ahaha 19:32:11 is this some Whinnie the Pooh joke? 19:32:12 Your mother sucks so many cocks, it's not even funny. --> Not sucking cock MOM is more interesting. 19:32:15 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 19:32:20 But the boobs thing is the best 19:32:29 Somefellow: what's with "You will cum tits!" 19:33:00 I'm not sure why it started expanding like that 19:33:07 breast expansion 19:33:09 obviously 19:33:11 :O\ 19:33:13 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:33:15 <|amethyst> Somefellow: that's an interesting L-system 19:33:26 it's sort of like a glider gun but with tits 19:33:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:36:49 ??is cszo down 19:36:50 is cszo down[1/1]: If you have DNS problems try crawl.dobrazupa.org (webtiles + ssh). If you have too much lag try the other two IPs: dobrazupa.org and admin.dobrazupa.org (ssh only). 19:37:55 Does anybody actually use the .fi server? 19:38:14 !lg * src=rhf 19:38:14 17300. Paggas the Covered (L4 MiFi), succumbed to Paggas' ghost's poison on D:3 on 2013-10-28 00:34:02, with 213 points after 1953 turns and 0:04:31. 19:38:16 <|amethyst> not for the tournament because joosa didn't get a chance to install 0.13 19:38:34 Ah 19:38:50 <|amethyst> But it's good to have two european webtiles servers 19:39:01 <|amethyst> in case CLAN is overloaded or down 19:39:56 Well I think I got my one running 19:40:17 With stable at least, still working on trunk 19:43:56 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:45:36 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:06 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:48:54 -!- dg_ has quit [] 19:52:51 |amethyst, What do you think http://crawl.aussie.tk:8080/ 19:53:01 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-424-gcf0012f: Even out the distribution by dungeon level of the food vaults. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 60+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf0012fa8047 19:53:07 -!- dg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:01 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-424-gcf0012f (34) 19:55:53 -!- Yakesh has quit [Client Quit] 19:56:01 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:56:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 19:58:50 * xFleury chuckles at "aussie.tk". 19:59:42 lol 19:59:55 I'm not very good at naming 20:05:27 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:05:58 -!- dg__ has quit [] 20:06:51 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:07:57 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:34 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:13:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:03 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:20:55 -!- brian_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:22:27 -!- Gullinborsti has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:23 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 20:34:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:19 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:17 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:40:32 -!- caleba has quit [Client Quit] 20:45:16 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:45:43 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:48 Elemental wellspring can turn deep water into shallow water by Lasty 20:48:53 -!- Flex has quit [] 20:49:55 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-425-g67f566f: Icon for durably-summoned monsters 10(85 minutes ago, 7 files, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=67f566f1b146 20:49:55 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-426-gb52781e: Additional gargoyle base tiles (Xion350, 7631) 10(82 minutes ago, 5 files, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b52781e70fb4 20:51:08 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:53:20 !messages 20:53:21 No messages for TZer0. 20:58:34 -!- lebanesegirl91 has quit [Client Quit] 20:59:39 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:59:48 i think my crazy yiuf cottage placed hammers instead of trees; is this intentioanl? 21:00:26 <|amethyst> wheals: can you show it 21:00:43 MarvinPA said it's just something silly it does on purpose 21:01:01 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:01:04 %dump 21:01:04 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/wheals/wheals.txt 21:01:16 <|amethyst> ah 21:01:19 you can see in the screenshot 21:01:20 <|amethyst> : if crawl.one_chance_in(300) then 21:01:20 <|amethyst> SUBST: t=" 21:01:20 <|amethyst> : end 21:01:25 haha 21:01:30 wheals: yes it is supposed to do that sometimes 21:01:35 i like it 21:01:39 er, wait, instead of *trees*? 21:01:47 maybe it's not intended but who cares 21:01:56 <|amethyst> SamB: yeah, take a look on CSZO :) 21:01:56 what else would it be instead of? 21:02:07 <|amethyst> wheals: sometimes the whole floor is hammers 21:02:15 <|amethyst> floor instead of trees that is 21:02:20 the path can get covered in hammers 21:02:41 but I guess it's intended or there would be no t there 21:02:49 uhuh 21:03:12 <|amethyst> 1/600 of that, 1/600 of replacing the trees with 1/3 hammers and 2/3 floor 21:03:27 that explains why i've never seen this before 21:03:36 hold on a moment 21:03:43 ??is cszo down 21:03:44 is cszo down[1/1]: If you have DNS problems try crawl.dobrazupa.org (webtiles + ssh). If you have too much lag try the other two IPs: dobrazupa.org and admin.dobrazupa.org (ssh only). 21:04:26 <|amethyst> SamB: he's moved, you'll have to check the dump 21:04:29 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/wheals/wheals.txt 21:05:06 never seen that before, that I can remember 21:05:29 how much chance of the path thing 21:06:17 |amethyst's thing above seems about right for what I've seen. 1/600 the path is replaced by hammers, 1/600 the trees are replaced 21:06:39 geekosaur: I think the path thing is more often than that ... 21:07:21 <|amethyst> geekosaur: no, 1/300 the trees are replaced, but sometimes with hammers and sometimes with hammer/floor/floor 21:07:26 -!- dg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:51 wheals: anyway, there's a *reason* he's called crazy yiuf ;-P 21:08:02 yes 21:08:34 i didn't realize that "summon hammers" was a spell he knew :) 21:08:36 so sometimes he flips out and collects a bunch of hammers 21:08:48 and chops down the trees with them, of course 21:08:55 of course 21:10:32 <|amethyst> looks like 1/16 that the floor is all hammers 21:11:02 <|amethyst> not counting the part of the floor that could be plants/trees/fungus 21:11:39 -!- tarantoga has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 21:15:35 needs dancing hammers 21:16:15 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:18:39 -!- Helmschank has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:26 -!- debo_ has quit [Quit: debo_] 21:22:58 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 21:24:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:37 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:28:30 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:29:47 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:35:25 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:43 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:37:34 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:37:37 -!- daddy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:43:09 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 21:44:31 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:48:45 -!- Cronoth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:52:13 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 21:55:49 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:57:28 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:52 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:01 -!- Cronoth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:01:45 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:12:27 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:13:21 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:19:16 -!- Senjai has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:21 -!- Senjai has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:25:35 Does anybody know why webtiles doesnt want to create this damn file 22:25:37 IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'/root/crawl/trunk/crawl/crawl-ref/source/rcs/ttyrecs/Somefellow/2013-10-28.03:25:03.ttyrec' 22:27:35 As far as I can tell it should generate the whole "rcs" folder itself and populate it 22:27:38 BUt it doesnt want to 22:28:12 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:32:04 I'd check ownerships/permissions of the directories that do exist leading to that path 22:35:00 I'm running it as root so as far as I can tell it shouldnt run into any permission issues 22:35:16 ... don't do that ... 22:35:47 I'm going to move it off root once I'm done setting it up 22:37:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:52 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-426-gb52781e 22:44:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:48:05 -!- kekekela has quit [Client Quit] 22:54:43 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:56:19 Crash when finishing Tutorial on Mac OS X by DCSSPlayer 23:02:49 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:20 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:09 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:44 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:05 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:19:53 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:20:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:08 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30:43 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:32:31 -!- thorgipup has quit [Quit: Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.] 23:32:59 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:37:59 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:44:41 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 23:50:26 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]