00:00:12 <SwissStopwatch> what exact thresholds are you looking to place those at
00:00:27 <elliptic> the new thing will be for 5*
00:00:43 <elliptic> currently those messages are for 4* and 5-6*, approximately
00:01:23 <elliptic> (as in, you get the same message for piety all the way from 130 to 200)
00:03:01 <SwissStopwatch> hmm, favored could work but doesn't feel strong enough without something else there
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00:03:08 <SwissStopwatch> and most of the something elses are already being used here
00:03:59 <elliptic> the full list for the first one is noncommital -> pleased -> most pleased -> rising star -> shining star -> prized avatar
00:04:20 <Basil> Extraordinarily pleased
00:04:22 <Grunt> (todo: "shining star" enemy)
00:04:26 <Basil> Uncannily pleased
00:04:32 <elliptic> and for the second one is noncommittal -> pleased -> most pleased -> greatly pleased -> extremely pleased -> exalted
00:04:33 <Grunt> Almost entirely pleased?
00:04:33 <SwissStopwatch> heh
00:04:40 <elliptic> yes I thought of these options :P
00:04:45 <SwissStopwatch> favored servant could work for the first one
00:04:49 <ontoclasm> should use the "elder," "high priest" etc. ones somehow
00:04:50 <Henzell> ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
00:04:59 <ontoclasm> !messages
00:05:00 <Henzell> (1/2) Bloax said (2d 8h 7m 8s ago): does this look anything like a soul eater to you: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/dmns2.png
00:05:06 <elliptic> favored servant sounds okay to me
00:05:17 <ontoclasm> !messages
00:05:18 <Henzell> (1/1) alefury said (15h 35m 13s ago): Can you make a tile for manuals to distinguish them from other books? It would be great to be able to tell them apart at a glance (like you can do now in console).
00:05:44 <ontoclasm> i probably can do that
00:05:56 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3110-gf6e36dc (34)
00:05:59 <ontoclasm> what do manuals look like now?
00:06:03 <ontoclasm> in console
00:06:41 <simmarine> :
00:06:45 <Grunt> %git HEAD^{/anual}
00:06:46 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-3095-gbbf1b48: Manuals always get a white glyph (dpeg). 10(32 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbf1b48450ec
00:06:51 <ontoclasm> oh
00:07:07 <simmarine> make it a yellow book
00:07:43 <ontoclasm> "Maces & Flails for Dummies"
00:08:43 <ontoclasm> "Chicken Soup for the Necromantic Soul"
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00:11:43 <elliptic> okay something between "extremely pleased with you" and "exalted by your worship"
00:12:02 <elliptic> if nobody comes up with anything I might have to go with "extraordinarily pleased with you" after all :P
00:12:08 <simmarine> haha
00:12:25 <SwissStopwatch> hmm
00:12:25 <ontoclasm> "Okawaru thinks you're just fuckin' swell"
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00:12:45 <SwissStopwatch> "Lugonu holds you in high esteem"
00:13:16 <ontoclasm> "Jiyva showers you with divine favour"
00:13:17 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3110-gf6e36dc (34)
00:13:17 <elliptic> SwissStopwatch: code gets more complicated if it doesn't start with "godname is"
00:13:22 <BlankDiploma> "Xom has a picture of you above his fireplace."
00:13:24 <ontoclasm> oh
00:13:29 <SwissStopwatch> ok in that case, hm
00:13:55 <elliptic> (this is the message you get when you pray, if that wasn't clear)
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00:14:04 <SwissStopwatch> yes
00:14:09 <ontoclasm> yeah
00:14:16 <elliptic> (though it also shows up a couple other places, like when you die)
00:14:52 <ontoclasm> "Trog is glorified by your worship"
00:15:04 <ontoclasm> or "honored"
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00:16:05 <elliptic> those don't sound quite right to me
00:16:12 <simmarine> exuberated
00:16:23 <ontoclasm> "stoked"
00:16:40 <SwissStopwatch> even less right somehow
00:16:47 <ontoclasm> heh heh
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00:18:06 <SwissStopwatch> the problem is it's hard to find a word that is like exalted but clearly a step down that -also- "feels" right, I guess
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00:19:08 <Basil> Hmm
00:19:17 <Basil> Nix extremely, insert honored and glorified
00:19:34 <elliptic> it's best if the top one sounds different from the others anyway, so I think it might be best not to use the "by your worship" construction
00:19:37 <Basil> 3 pleased, 3 not-pleased
00:19:59 <SwissStopwatch> maybe you actually should just use extraordinarily pleased, it would at least be funny :P
00:20:00 <elliptic> is exalted really better than glorified though
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00:20:12 <elliptic> SwissStopwatch: yes that is currently what is in the file
00:20:23 <SwissStopwatch> glorified kind of has negative connotations more than positive ones I feel
00:20:32 <ontoclasm> hm
00:20:39 <Basil> Is empowered?
00:20:48 <Basil> Hmm
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00:21:09 <elliptic> not sure that crawl canon is really that you are giving the gods power by gaining piety
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00:21:40 <ontoclasm> could shift the "pleased" ones up
00:21:40 <SwissStopwatch> there is that Jiyva thing but that's not necessarily what that even is
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00:21:51 <elliptic> ontoclasm: yeah, could insert something lower down instead
00:21:53 <elliptic> if someone has an idea
00:21:56 <ontoclasm> since you get "pleased" almost instantly, for doing almost nothing
00:22:02 <SwissStopwatch> hm that might be best even if it's initially confusing
00:22:09 <SwissStopwatch> what there, then...
00:22:15 <elliptic> right, any ideas for between noncommittal and pleased?
00:22:42 <ontoclasm> "accepting of your worship"
00:23:01 <Basil> Notices your deeds might work
00:23:08 <Basil> But that is is a bit constraining
00:23:10 <SwissStopwatch> notices your deeds doesn't work with is
00:23:30 <ontoclasm> "is aware of your efforts/deeds"
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00:23:48 <elliptic> "is aware of your devotion" might be better
00:23:52 <ontoclasm> yeah
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00:24:00 <SwissStopwatch> "is aware of your devotion" sounds kind of good yes
00:25:33 <SwissStopwatch> (on another note, Xom having a picture of you above his fireplace is like the worst possible thing)
00:25:45 <ontoclasm> fr xom effect
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00:44:43 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3110-gf6e36dc
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00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3111-g01f363d: Let godprayer messages and ^ description coincide with piety ranks 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 13+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01f363d584af
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3112-gd703f4d: Add new piety_breakpoint at 160 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d703f4dc02d0
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3113-g7a2e405: Change checks for piety 161 to new piety_breakpoint(5) = 160 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a2e4053ca05
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3114-g3bbf988: Sif miscast protection: Reduce chance 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bbf988bf50e
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3115-g2b7a510: Piety requirements for gifting: 151 -> 160 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b7a510ae32a
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3116-g2891468: Kiku miscast protection: Reduce chance 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2891468960d5
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3117-g4b64df0: Trog protection from passing out: guaranteed at piety 160 (was: 150) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b64df08c5c1
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3118-g54ef739: Use piety_breakpoint(5) for BiA 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54ef739303d5
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3119-gb151e97: Use piety_breakpoint(5) for one-time god abilities 10(2 weeks ago, 4 files, 25+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b151e97c2ddb
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> 03ChrisOelmueller02 {elliptic} 07* 0.13-a0-3120-g0b93d47: Use piety breakpoint in chei godpassive 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b93d47875e4
00:48:24 <Cheibriados> ... and 4 more commits
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11:02:20 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-3125-g50ac8cc: Remove a weapon noise line 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=50ac8cca7dc5
11:02:20 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-3126-gb921193: Remove removed unrands from trove_artefacts 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b921193f4936
11:02:55 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  there are several others which seem to be intentionally duplicative of things in the dungeon
11:03:21 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  Including 'a distant "Zot"!'
11:04:10 <|amethyst> not as important as a timeout noise probably
11:04:18 <MarvinPA> well, that one seems sort of okay? or at least it would be if the 20 aut thing was fixed
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11:05:11 <|amethyst> Of the ones listed, that was the only one I could really see someone putting an autoexplore-stop message on
11:05:19 <|amethyst> s/message //
11:05:30 <MarvinPA> unless weapon speech is a different channel to the normal message in which case you'd be able to tell it apart that way i suppose
11:05:52 <|amethyst> I think most people don't use the channels when writing their matches though
11:06:12 <|amethyst> because it's not so easy to tell which channel something is on
11:06:25 <|amethyst> you have to refer to the docs and maybe even the source
11:07:37 <MarvinPA> right i just mean that in theory it could be actually indistinguishable from a real zot trap to the player
11:07:55 <MarvinPA> not that it would really matter either way
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11:25:29 <ontoclasm> i can't see putting an exclusion on -distant- zots
11:25:38 <ontoclasm> you get dozens of those any time you're on a floor with a trap
11:27:31 <|amethyst> good point
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12:19:12 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3126-gb921193 (34)
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12:42:40 <johnny0> hmm, i think the elf:3 chamber loot no-pickup flag applies to allies too :/
12:43:53 <johnny0> i was wondering why my mercenaries weren't equipping certain artefacts in past games... they were elf:3 loot
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12:45:53 <|amethyst> hm
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12:49:38 <MarvinPA> oh i thought no_pickup had been removed from the elf loot
12:50:14 <MarvinPA> if not it should be probably since they actually use it reasonably well
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12:55:07 <|amethyst> Working on a change related to that... not a fix exactly
12:55:17 <|amethyst> but that flag should be cleared when you pick the item up
12:55:52 <|amethyst> maybe allies could ignore the flag as well; I think the two issues are orthogonal
12:56:37 <|amethyst> But even an enemy shouldn't continue to refuse to pick something up just because it was once part of a protected loot pile
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13:01:47 <MarvinPA> are you already doing that? clearing the flag that is
13:02:38 <MarvinPA> if not i can push it when this finishes compiling
13:04:50 <|amethyst> yeah, just testing
13:05:09 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3127-g2c5c585: Remove no-monster-pickup flag when the player picks up an item. 10(19 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c5c58555ce9
13:05:09 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3128-gca089a7: Refactor. 10(11 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca089a7c4b45
13:05:55 <MarvinPA> with bonus refactoring!
13:06:12 <|amethyst> Probably a few of those cases are not really necessary (it's not likely that corpses will have the flag), but I went for completeness
13:09:06 <|amethyst> hm, arguably that should just be done inside move_item_to_player
13:09:21 <|amethyst> because I see only two cases where it's called without clearing those flags first:
13:09:29 <MarvinPA> yeah that's where i looked at, that's where the unobtainable flag gets removed
13:09:40 <|amethyst> 1. wizmode monster item swap   2. _purchase
13:10:12 <|amethyst> I was looking for ISFLAG_THROWN
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13:11:32 <MarvinPA> yeah, i guess the difference is that the thrown/dropped flags get cleared when you try and fail to pick something up due to full inventory etc?
13:11:42 <|amethyst> yeah
13:12:00 <|amethyst> and in most cases I looked, get reset afterwards
13:12:42 <|amethyst> but the ones cleared in move_item_to_player are also reset
13:14:39 <|amethyst> probably that could be handled inside move_items_to_player too
13:15:11 <|amethyst> but i didn't want to make a change like that during the feature freeze, just in case I missed some side effect
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13:20:13 <|amethyst> (also, _xom_weapon_swap doesn't use move_item_to_player at all)
13:20:43 <|amethyst> err, _xom_swap_weapons rather
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13:34:37 <johnny0> ahh very nice! if i see any weirdness from the commit i'll be sure to report it -- looks like a pretty straightforward change though
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14:00:04 <simmarine> is it too late for another glyph suggestion? :P ancient champions are brown/yellow but we already have brown zombies... given that we see them all over the place in crypt and ancient champions are really only in crypt, it can be confusing sometimes. how about making them just yellow
14:02:32 <MarvinPA> curse toe is already yellow z it looks like
14:06:23 <dpeg> but there should be free colours
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14:18:56 <tenofswords> free up colour by making the generic zombies all z and the more noticeable ones on Z instead of Z being used for three and z being used for thirteen
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14:41:43 <simmarine> oh yes, curse toes exist
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15:19:09 <tenofswords> cannot lrd kraken simulacrum tentacles, can lrd head
15:19:12 <tenofswords> tisk tisk
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15:24:58 <Bloax> You'd expect undead kraken to have limited tentacles.
15:25:03 <Bloax> But alas, it's the opposite.
15:25:24 <SamB> dead krakens are the ones with limited tentacles?
15:26:01 <Bloax> Kraken zombie tentacles don't share their damage with the parent.
15:26:25 <Bloax> And just like with a regular kraken, severed ones pop up again.
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15:30:51 <tenofswords> my first form of this cocytus end seems to send about 50 of the level's monsters at you at once
15:30:57 <tenofswords> I think I need to tone this down
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15:50:48 <ontoclasm> considering ancient champions are skeletal warriors+, shouldn't they be lightcyan
15:51:04 <ontoclasm> is there a clightcyan z yet?
15:53:39 <Cheibriados> 03Translators02 {galehar} 07* 0.13-a0-3129-g51873b8: [Transifex] Sync. 10(3 minutes ago, 16 files, 199+ 48-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=51873b842061
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15:55:45 <dpeg> ontoclasm: ?/mz in console should show
15:56:47 <ontoclasm> oh, curse skulls are lightcyan
15:57:14 <ontoclasm> magenta and lightmagenta seem unused
15:57:24 <ontoclasm> and blue/ltblue, but those are used in simulacra
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17:18:03 <ogaz> is it possible to remove the "trog frowns upon the use of this spell" when examining spells inside a rod?
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17:19:45 <SamB> probably?
17:20:16 <|amethyst> testing
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17:23:11 <SamB> yeah, it looks easy and I assume |amethyst saw the same thing ...
17:23:51 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3130-g1102b4c: Don't claim spells described from rods are Trog-offending (ogaz) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1102b4cccdb0
17:24:22 <ogaz> |amethyst: <3
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17:44:19 <Cheibriados> Acid spit messages aren't used <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7569> by 78291
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17:50:17 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-3131-gaed1a20: Fix monster acid spit messaging (#7569) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aed1a2037b8e
17:52:09 <dpeg> zipcode bug report? :)
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18:15:44 <Cheibriados> Fixed webtiles chat scrolling <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7570> by Soner
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18:54:42 <tenofswords> hey, nicolae-, want to see the base form of a vault of mine
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18:58:15 <kilobyte> ugh, this breaks mon-spll.h includes:
18:58:17 <kilobyte> %git 2774ec90
18:58:18 <Cheibriados> 07cjo02 {|amethyst} * 0.13-a0-2786-g2774ec9: Display monster spells and magical abilities with x-v 10(9 weeks ago, 7 files, 142+ 87-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2774ec9060c4
19:02:08 <Grunt> kilobyte, is that something that should be fixed urgently?
19:03:03 <kilobyte> it causes spurious rebuilds and increases executable's size by quite a bit, but is otherwise harmless
19:03:13 <kilobyte> also mon-mst.h includes
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19:03:37 <Grunt> To better frame that question - is it something which should block branching 0.13?
19:03:44 <kilobyte> I'd call the exploitable constriction crash more urgent, though
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19:10:45 <dpeg> kilobyte: is that about player or monsters constricting?
19:10:53 <kilobyte> either
19:11:24 <kilobyte> somehow the constrictor and constrictee idea of who's constricting whom goes out of sync if there's a level_excursion
19:11:49 <kilobyte> which you can trigger via X[] or ^F
19:14:14 <kilobyte> I don't know those parts, just that the constrictor loses an entry
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19:15:23 <kilobyte> not sure how to reliably cause the crash, but with new dbg_scan checks I added this gives you an error-message every time: constrict/be constricted/have a pair of monsters anywhere on the level constrict, X[]
19:15:31 <kilobyte> which then may or may not crash
19:17:26 <SamB> kilobyte: now figure out WHEN it loses that entry
19:17:44 <SamB> perhaps by watching an interesting address
19:17:50 <kilobyte> SamB: reliably on level_excursion
19:18:06 <kilobyte> ah, you mean when in the call
19:18:10 <SamB> yes but what code changes it?
19:18:17 <kilobyte> the whole structure gets saved then reloaded
19:18:21 <Grunt> I'm mainly bringing this up because I mentioned the other day that I was prepared to branch 0.13 this evening to give the server admins time over the weekend to get a 0.13 setting set up.
19:18:34 <SamB> kilobyte: hmm, point
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19:18:49 <kilobyte> Grunt: what's the reason to hurry when there's no Tournament date set?
19:19:13 <kilobyte> Grunt: I don't think announcing it a couple of days before the start is a good idea...
19:19:37 <Grunt> We're supposedly feature-frozen for a 0.13 release; shouldn't we at least attempt to reflect this?
19:19:42 <MarvinPA> well if we're in feature freeze then branching is convenient
19:19:46 <SamB> kilobyte: so who gets dropped, player or monster?
19:20:02 <Grunt> (I would revert c0fda6b and f9558cf before actually branching anything, and possibly re-revert after the branch...)
19:20:07 <MarvinPA> i have some small stuff i'd rather push than have sitting around, i imagine others do too
19:20:36 <kilobyte> MarvinPA: "git checkout -b next" would work :)
19:21:33 <SamB> Grunt: we wouldn't call it feature-freeze if there were a branch
19:22:01 <kilobyte> in 0.12 times, there was about no testing at all
19:22:21 <kilobyte> because a bunch of goodies landed in trunk immediately, making everyone play that
19:23:53 <MarvinPA> certainly it'd be good to not immediately add a ton of stuff to trunk if we branch, sure
19:24:03 <MarvinPA> but having the branch seems more convenient than not having it to me
19:24:40 <SamB> it wasn't terribly convenient to have to keep backporting things, and make sure we hadn't forgotten anything ...
19:24:55 <kilobyte> SamB: yeah
19:25:57 <kilobyte> other of you might disagree, but I'd like to propose putting new features to some branch, to put the burden of merging there rather on the to-be-stable
19:26:31 <SamB> a lot less time spent staring at the output of git cherry or so ...
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19:30:08 <MarvinPA> personally i'd just prefer for there to exist some branch that i can push stuff to rather than have it sit around locally for an indeterminate amount of time
19:31:01 <SamB> MarvinPA: I think making a branch called "next" was suggested
19:31:32 <kilobyte> just _not_ rebasing it over and over like a certain kernel does :)
19:32:08 <SamB> what shall we do instead?
19:32:26 <SamB> merge in master repeatedly?
19:32:52 <kilobyte> just once, after branching
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19:56:45 <tenofswords> okay I probably should have been a little more careful about those vault sentinels for a very packed encompass vault
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21:26:32 <SamB> http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F128.jpg
21:30:35 <kilobyte> SamB: that's hard to understand without the previous page
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21:46:31 <Gretell> Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3131-gaed1a20
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21:58:10 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  hm... I'm trying X[] while some monsters are constricted, and don't see any error message... do I need to build with debug?
21:58:36 <kilobyte> |amethyst: for the scan message, possibly
21:58:57 <kilobyte> for the crash, not so, although it takes more for it to crash
21:59:34 <kilobyte> I think dbg_scan is called also in normal builds, but not as often (just after level generation?)
22:04:39 <ontoclasm> can we make fauns and satyrs not green
22:05:01 <Grunt> MarvinPA, ontoclasm wants to make green centaurs again.
22:05:03 <ontoclasm> they're the same color as the rest of forest and thus really hard to see
22:05:08 <Zannick> green means they're good for the environment
22:05:09 <ontoclasm> also that :J
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22:14:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  hm, so I just tried that with a breakpoint on _marshall_constriction
22:14:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I had a friendly ball python constricting a hostile kobold
22:15:02 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  _marshall_constriction was called on the kobold but not the ball python
22:15:49 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I think I may see it
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22:22:57 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3132-g325bb31: Actually marshall the constricting map. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=325bb3156a45
22:23:11 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  doesn't fix existing games
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22:24:32 <SamB> well do a fix quick, before a rebuild
22:24:36 <SamB> or revert that ...
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22:24:58 <kilobyte> SamB: that's the fix not the cause
22:25:05 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3133-gec0fa00: Revert "Actually marshall the constricting map." 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec0fa00cfee1
22:25:24 <kilobyte> eh, why revert?
22:25:35 <kilobyte> it can't possibly break things
22:25:50 <SamB> kilobyte: well, if we're going to fix the existing games shouldn't we do that when we can still detect that they are broken? or won't they save again ...
22:26:26 * SamB apologizes if he made things more complicated
22:26:32 <kilobyte> detecting such games has nothing to do with tags
22:26:51 <kilobyte> just check whether constriction is in sync
22:27:01 <|amethyst> and what should one do if it's out of sync?
22:27:03 <kilobyte> both the constrictor and constrictee store it
22:27:18 <kilobyte> can be restored or deleted safely
22:27:29 <|amethyst> fix it instead of complaining in the debug scan?
22:27:41 <|amethyst> but we don't debug scan frequently enough, as you said
22:27:42 <kilobyte> debug scan is not run normally
22:28:02 <|amethyst> so run a scan over all monsters after unmarshalling a level?
22:28:51 <kilobyte> yeah, possibly in tags.cc looking just for this field
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22:31:39 <|amethyst> but where to do the scan?
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22:33:17 <|amethyst> at the end of TAG_LEVEL ? what about the player and companions?
22:33:53 <|amethyst> I guess the player isn't an issue because we only omitted the constriction part for monsters
22:34:23 <|amethyst> oh, but if the player is constricted by a monster...
22:35:41 <|amethyst> I guess I did a similar thing earlier
22:35:44 <kilobyte> a possible cheat: just drop all constriction for this tag
22:35:50 <|amethyst> and that was at the end of tag_read_level_monsters
22:36:38 <|amethyst> introduce a minor tag so that we can avoid fixing up things that aren't expected to be broken?
22:37:47 <kilobyte> yeah
22:38:06 <kilobyte> that's only a cheap fast solution if it would be hard to fix properly
22:38:34 <|amethyst> I don't think it would be hard, I just had to remember how I did something similar but more complicated before
22:38:41 <|amethyst> %git 87c40161
22:38:41 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 {galehar} * 0.11-a0-2617-g87c4016: Use mid rather than mindex for constriction. 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 19 files, 452+ 338-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87c40161cad6
22:39:01 <|amethyst> and I need to put together a test case
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22:49:03 <|amethyst> hm, what about duration
22:49:33 <kilobyte> yeah, that's one of lost fields
22:49:41 <kilobyte> also escape count
22:49:50 <|amethyst> escape count isn't lost
22:49:55 <|amethyst> that's stored with the constrictee
22:50:13 <|amethyst> and we lost the constrictor's map
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22:55:05 <|amethyst> ... and now I can't reproduce it
22:55:09 <|amethyst> after the revert
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23:01:12 <|amethyst> yeah, this isn't working
23:01:27 <|amethyst> I have no idea why... it was reproducing reliably a while ago
23:01:39 <|amethyst> ./crawl-diag-web  -version
23:01:39 <|amethyst> Crawl version 0.13-a0-3134-g4b9b630
23:01:52 <|amethyst> ohhh
23:01:59 <|amethyst> I have an extra commit here
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23:02:24 <|amethyst> I shouldn't be touching code at the moment apparently
23:02:32 <|amethyst> just clear all constrictions and be done with it
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23:23:12 <|amethyst> okay, let's try that again
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23:28:15 <kilobyte> Error: constricting[hellwing(mindex=29 mid=11478)] entry missing for mon
23:28:16 <kilobyte> ster you(mindex=27001 mid=-1)
23:28:33 <kilobyte> that's with the fix but no revert
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23:29:44 <|amethyst> wait
23:29:48 <|amethyst> how'd that happen?
23:30:44 <kilobyte> the abyss bot; it has a level excursion among last messages
23:30:59 <|amethyst> right, but how did we miss the constricting arry on the player?
23:30:59 <|amethyst> array
23:31:03 <|amethyst> *map
23:31:04 <kilobyte> the player is a naga
23:31:17 <|amethyst> right, but we don't do MP_ stuff on players
23:31:28 <|amethyst> we always marshall player constrictions
23:32:19 <kilobyte> possibly the constriction became invalid after loading D:1, not getting restored when reloading Abyss:1 ?
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23:35:02 <|amethyst> oh, so there's more to it that just failing to marshall the constricting
23:35:09 <|amethyst> s/that/than/
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23:41:23 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  oh, almost certainly related
23:41:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  If you're constricted, then with or without the patch X[] clears it
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23:43:38 <|amethyst> it's not clear_far_constrictions doing it
23:44:02 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-3133-gec0fa00 (34)
23:44:50 <|amethyst> reset_all_monsters
23:45:18 <|amethyst> reset_all_monster -> actor::stop_constricting_all
23:45:23 <|amethyst> s/ster/sters/
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23:47:49 <|amethyst> %git c8bb0a58
23:47:49 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-3183-gc8bb0a5: When clearing monster data between levels, clear constriction data properly. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 5 files, 25+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8bb0a582d97
23:51:23 <|amethyst> not sure how to deal with that
23:51:54 <|amethyst> could save the player constriction info in the excursion, but that's probably not right
23:52:58 <SamB> check whether the player is actually supposed to move?
23:53:41 <|amethyst> it doesn't have to do with the player moving
23:53:58 <|amethyst> it's because we reset constrictions in the process of reset_all_monsters
23:54:09 <|amethyst> most of which will be restored when we return to the old level
23:54:36 <|amethyst> but the player's are not saved/restored, so changed to those during an excursion are permanent
23:54:43 <|amethyst> s/changed/changes/
23:57:25 <|amethyst> my patch is at http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0001-Fix-existing-bad-constrictions-as-well-as-new-ones.patch
23:57:38 <|amethyst> but it doesn't handle the player problems we just found
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23:59:15 <SamB> so we need to temporarily save the player constriction somehow? or just not zap it?