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00:16:47 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3028-g4eabf56: Remove two totally pointless vaults. 10(27 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4eabf5647ede
00:16:47 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3029-g4276b65: Fix druids and dryads trying to awaken the forest against Fedhasites. 10(14 hours ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4276b65abe72
00:16:47 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3030-g113998c: Axe an obsolete comment. 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=113998cf2a66
00:16:47 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3031-g409c1b2: Simplify. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=409c1b2849d4
00:16:47 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3032-ga2d0eab: Describe the rest of monster spells. 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 75+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2d0eab8a230
00:16:47 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3033-ge5f0be7: Move mons_is_stationary() to struct actor. 10(3 minutes ago, 28 files, 52+ 54-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5f0be714222
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00:23:54 <SamB> kilobyte: are you going to rename that too?
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00:34:26 <kilobyte> SamB: what is "that"?
00:34:37 <SamB> mons_is_stationary()
00:34:52 <SamB> or maybe I should read the commit itself
00:35:32 <kilobyte> well, obviously :)
00:36:07 <SamB> hmm, yes, you did that and just made the commit message not totally transparent
00:36:26 <kilobyte> mons->mons_is_stationary() sounds as redundant as "dishonest politician"
00:36:29 <SamB> NEVERMIND
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00:59:21 <Zannick> mons_is_stationery()
00:59:51 <Zannick> returns whether the monster is fancy paper/envelopes
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01:06:29 <kilobyte> need paper golems
01:06:59 <Zannick> scroll golems
01:07:15 <Zannick> casts a spell that prevents you from using scrolls
01:07:17 <Zannick> called scroll lock
01:09:05 <kilobyte> <3
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09:51:58 <myrmidette> FR: when an invisible monster (not just duvessa) goes berserk, I should be able to tell by the screaming
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10:21:28 <ontoclasm> so, i found one of those bugs nobody ever finds because no one plays local tiles
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10:49:38 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk http://dobrazupa.org/cszo-morgues-2013-09-13.tar.bz2
10:49:40 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know.
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11:14:40 <ontoclasm> question
11:14:57 <ontoclasm> why do we have TILEP_FLAG_CUT_CENTAUR and TILEP_FLAG_CUT_NAGA
11:15:06 <ontoclasm> when they're completely identical
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11:21:39 <Naruni> morning
11:25:53 <ogaz> morning
11:28:35 <Naruni> ogaz: do you understand git?
11:29:06 <ogaz> no
11:30:10 <Naruni> dang. ive got a basic understanding of it, but all rational thinking goes out the window when i have more than one commit on a local change. and when the master branch is updated when im working on something that was from a much older commit
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11:32:15 <ontoclasm> what are you needing to do?
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11:57:40 <Naruni> i was working on a branch "test" i created last night. this morning i updated my master branch and rebuilt. now i checkout branch "test" and make a single change and make. it wants to rebuild everything that was changed since i checked out master
11:57:50 <Naruni> i need to updated "test" branch to what master currently is
11:58:12 <Naruni> so that way im not rebuilding the whole damn thing every time i switch branches
11:59:14 <Eronarn> if you want to 'replay' the commits from test, on top of the new master, you can do 'git checkout test; git pull --rebase master'
12:00:12 <Eronarn> rebasing takes the commits unique to that branch of the history (i.e., the stuff you are working on) and has them be based on the other branch (i.e., what other developers have been working on), instead of the point in common history where they diverged (i.e., where you started the test branch)
12:01:00 <Eronarn> so instead of old master -> test -> new master, you will end up with old master -> new master -> test, as the order of those commits
12:01:39 <Eronarn> you might also want to get ccache set up on your machine to make compiling faster
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12:04:43 <Naruni> Cannot pull with rebase: You have unstaged changes. <-- this is from changes i havent made
12:04:50 <Naruni> im on master branch right now
12:05:06 <Naruni> do i need reset --hard on master
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12:20:21 <Zannick> git stash; git pull; git stash pop
12:20:44 <Zannick> stash will save (and remove) your unstaged changes
12:20:49 <Zannick> oh, changes you haven't made
12:21:36 <Zannick> you perhaps need to submodule update
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14:14:12 <Insomniak`> okey,so I installed Crawl using the pkgsrc/wip package
14:14:57 <Insomniak`> and now it's telling me 'Shared object "libncursesw.so.5" not found'
14:15:22 <Insomniak`> which I do have
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15:34:00 <kilobyte> |amethyst: any news about those OS X builds?  Are they in a good enough shape to post them officially?
15:34:43 <kilobyte> also, 0.12.3.  Getting working Mac builds would be a nice thing for a point release.
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16:10:21 <Naruni> if (!you.mutation[MUT_ICEMAIL] && !name == "freezing blast") {} does this line mean only process the if when you do not have icemail AND the name is not freezing blast?
16:11:26 <geekosaur> does ! really have that low a precedence? (is this c++ or lua?)
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16:14:45 <Naruni> c++
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16:15:26 <geekosaur> that seems wrong then
16:15:26 <Naruni> i think the ! is actualy for a false boolean evaluation, it should be !you.mutation[_MUT_ICEMAIL] && name != "freezing blast"
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16:17:30 <geekosaur> yes
16:18:09 <kilobyte> heh, nice
16:18:50 <kilobyte> comparing beams by name needs to die, badly, of course
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16:19:57 <Naruni> kilobyte: what can you recommend
16:20:23 <kilobyte> beam.origin_spell
16:20:24 <Naruni> i could try spell_type
16:20:38 <Naruni> err yeah thats it, ill go with that
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16:21:07 <kilobyte> I think it hasn't been used because historically zaps and spells were mostly distinct
16:21:32 <kilobyte> there's just two or three zaps without a spell counterpart left, I think
16:21:42 <kilobyte> (some Sandblast hackery)
16:22:33 <Naruni> beam.cc:2537:37: error: could not convert '((bolt*)this)->bolt::origin_spell' from 'spell_type' to 'std::string {aka std::basic_string<char>}'
16:22:33 <Naruni> mpr(origin_spell);
16:22:34 <kilobyte> and of course, player abilities often leave origin_spell unset even if there's one fitting
16:22:37 <Naruni> maybe thats why
16:23:01 <kilobyte> Naruni: you want SPELL_COLD_BREATH I guess
16:23:03 <Naruni> type_to_string exists somewhere i think
16:23:09 <kilobyte> (not sure if it's that)
16:23:13 <Naruni> freezing cloud
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16:29:52 <|amethyst> mpr(spell_title(origin_spell))
16:30:39 <|amethyst> (though really you'd need to check whether origin_spell is in range first)
16:31:32 <Naruni> beam.cc:2538:57: error: could not convert '((bolt*)this)->bolt::origin_spell' from 'spell_type' to 'std::string {aka std::basic_string<char>}'
16:31:32 <Naruni> mpr(spell_by_name(origin_spell, true));
16:31:33 <|amethyst> !seen frogor
16:31:33 <Henzell> Sorry |amethyst, I haven't seen frogor.
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16:31:53 <Naruni> spell_title i missed that
16:32:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  he was going to stop by here but hasn't yet.  Currently he has two different builds, one 64-bit and one 32-bit universal.  He also hasn't tested with 10.8, or hadn't as of Tuesday
16:33:15 <|amethyst> perhaps  if (is_valid_spell(origin_spell)) mpr(spell_title(origin_spell));
16:33:24 <SamB> why not a 3-way universal build? can't you probably do that on even a 10.5 PPC box?
16:33:56 <|amethyst> I am not really the person to evaluate it
16:34:00 <|amethyst> not having a mac and all
16:34:04 <SamB> (I mean there's clearly not a whole lot of point in a ppc64 build ...)
16:34:37 <SamB> I could be misremembering the arches available there
16:34:41 <geekosaur> I don't think ppcs can build for intel, at least not reliably
16:35:11 <kilobyte> are there even ppc64 Macs?
16:35:15 <|amethyst> geekosaur:  The thread in question, btw: http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/1m2278/dcss_my_os_x_build_of_dcss_0122_tiles_version_104/
16:35:28 <kilobyte> also, 32 bit binaries work on 64 bit Macs, right?
16:35:57 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  yes, G5 was ppc64
16:36:13 <Naruni> beam.cc:2536:28: warning: comparison with string literal results in unspecified behaviour [-Waddress]
16:36:13 <Naruni> == "Freezing Cloud")
16:36:18 <|amethyst> and, yes, I'm pretty sure you can run ppc32 apps on ppc64 OS X; probably likewise for 64-bit
16:36:22 <Naruni> thats new... how do i clean that up?
16:36:27 <geekosaur> 10.4
16:36:36 <kilobyte> Crawl has no uses for more than 50-100MB of address space, and being pointer-heavy, i386 is only a few percent behind amd64 in speed
16:36:52 <|amethyst> s/64-bit/intel/
16:36:56 <geekosaur> vaguely recall that worked and then apple broke it for the 10.5 Xcodes, although maybe it still worked in limited cases
16:36:56 <kilobyte> no x32 on Macs too :p
16:37:05 <SamB> |amethyst: yes you can run ppc32 apps on a 64-bit ppc box
16:37:17 <|amethyst> Naruni:  two options:  use strcmp instead, or convert one to the string class
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16:37:58 <SamB> in fact most of the apps that come preinstalled are have only powerpc+i386 builds
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16:38:13 <kilobyte> the suck is strong with win64, so even though I regularly test win64 builds, no official build ships them
16:38:25 <|amethyst> Naruni:  what are you doing exactly?
16:38:58 <Naruni> |amethyst: working on 4804
16:38:59 <SamB> I have a G5 iMac I could play with if I could find someplace to put it ...
16:39:03 <kilobyte> SamB: do you know of a reason to prefer amd64 over i386 or ppc64 over ppc on OS X?
16:39:18 <|amethyst> Naruni:  I mean, the specific code
16:39:19 <geekosaur> I can't think of one fwiw
16:39:29 <Naruni> ah
16:39:34 <|amethyst> Naruni:  what are you comparing to "Freezing Cloud" ?
16:39:37 <SamB> kilobyte: well, for amd64 I get the impression that i386 is being deprecated
16:40:07 <kilobyte> SamB: but not about to get dropped yet, right?
16:40:07 <SamB> for ppc64, I think it only matters if you want lots of address space
16:40:09 <geekosaur> 10.8 won't run on i386
16:40:17 <Naruni> |amethyst: adding a check to skip confirmation of placing a freezing cloud on top of you when you have icemail mutation
16:40:22 <|amethyst> geekosaur:  but it still runs 32-bit apps, right?
16:40:31 <geekosaur> (it will run i386 binaries but won't boot on a machine without 64bit extensions)
16:40:43 <Naruni> |amethyst: also i was able to just do if (origin_spell == SPELL_FREEZING_CLOUD)
16:40:50 <|amethyst> Naruni:  ah, yes
16:40:58 <|amethyst> Naruni:  something like that was what I was going to suggest
16:41:01 <SamB> geekosaur: yeah, we're talking about "why do I want a 64-bit binary of $APP"
16:41:06 <geekosaur> right
16:41:15 <geekosaur> that was in response to "i386 is being deprecated"
16:41:28 <geekosaur> apple's already writing off i386
16:41:44 <SamB> how long will it be able to run i386 apps?
16:41:54 <Naruni> |amethyst: my only question i think i will need some advice on is if i am performing this check in the proper place... ill post a code snippet momentarily if you wouldnt mind giving some input. kilobyte, you too
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16:42:49 <|amethyst> Windows dropped 16-bit support in, what, 95?
16:43:01 <|amethyst> support for 16-bit CPUs I mean
16:43:03 <geekosaur> 2000, I think
16:43:12 <|amethyst> oh, 95 ran on 286s?
16:43:13 <geekosaur> oh, booting on. yes
16:43:25 <geekosaur> 95 required a 386
16:43:44 <|amethyst> oh, apparently 1993 actually
16:44:02 <geekosaur> and win32s was never a very good thing
16:44:02 <|amethyst> Windows for Workgroups 3.11 dropped 286 support
16:44:19 <Naruni> |amethyst: http://bpaste.net/show/tT962mGANa0lB3g6AYhh/
16:44:53 <SamB> win32s obviously needs a 386 too
16:45:24 <SamB> and I think even 3.1 had a 386-only kernel
16:45:46 <SamB> (when did they drop 8086 support?)
16:45:58 <kilobyte> I vaguely recall it still having the three modes
16:46:04 <|amethyst> SamB:  3.1 dropped real mode
16:46:35 <kilobyte> real, standard (ie, 286) and enhanced (386)
16:46:53 <|amethyst> yeah, Windows 3.0 was the last to have all three of those, and 3.1 the last to have two of those
16:47:48 <|amethyst> Naruni:  hm, I feel like there must be a better place to do that
16:47:49 <SamB> kilobyte: yeah, that
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16:48:50 <|amethyst> Naruni:  maybe harmless_to_player()
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16:53:16 <pi31415> WFW 3.11 may have dropped support for the 8086 processor, but it still ran 8086 binaries
16:53:26 <kilobyte> please make it harmless_to_agent() or such
16:54:14 <kilobyte> pi31415: what's the status of your SDL2 port?  You said it doesn't work on GLES, but that's no regression.
16:55:41 <|amethyst> yeah, harmless_to_player and harmless_to could be profitably merged
16:55:57 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3034-g2946308: Use [foo|bar|baz|quux] to inline a bunch of monster speeches. 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 74-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2946308caedb
16:55:59 <|amethyst> though there'd still have to be some special casing
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16:57:11 <kilobyte> I find moving such special casing into virtual methods to simplify other code by quite a bit
16:57:19 <pi31415> kilobyte: I need to rebuild Mesa
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16:57:44 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  you mean an actor::icemail method that returns false for monsters?
16:57:46 <pi31415> kilobyte: the SDL2 documentation says that DirectFB OpenGL support requires a specific version of Mesa from Git
16:58:06 <|amethyst> probably
16:58:07 <pi31415> kilobyte: I am using the latest stable release, which doesn't have the DirectFB bits
16:58:36 <kilobyte> |amethyst: having it in harmless_to should be about the best level of encapsulation, I guess
16:59:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  one problem with doing that with harmlessness checks
16:59:26 <kilobyte> pi31415: yeah, but since that's no regression, I'd say it would be good to merge SDL2 now and only then improve it
17:00:08 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  a level of resistance that gives immunity to monsters might not give immunity to players
17:00:26 <pi31415> kilobyte: i take that as a compliment.  this weekend I will try to get it to actually run
17:00:44 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  OTOH, harmless_to_player doesn't seem to be checking immunity
17:00:50 <kilobyte> assuming it actually runs
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17:01:20 <pi31415> it builds but when I run it, SDL2 gives me a variety of errors depending on how I try to initialize OpenGL
17:01:26 <kilobyte> I attempted to port it myself, but I don't know SDL so ran out of my level of caring pretty fast :(
17:01:44 <|amethyst> exactly how much work would be involved in *not* using opengl?
17:01:56 <|amethyst> I suspect a lot?
17:01:57 <pi31415> I ought to get it to run on vanilla SDL2 first and then finish fixing it on DirectFB
17:02:38 <kilobyte> what would you want DirectFB for?
17:02:54 <pi31415> kilobyte: a pet project of mine http://rogueclass.org/
17:03:14 <kilobyte> pi31415: ah, sounds cool
17:03:52 <pi31415> i fixed some terminal emulation bugs in sdlterm since the last release to make crawl more playable, but tiles would be even better
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17:08:51 <kilobyte> beh, sdlterm and friends are the reason folks balk at fixing bugs in the real console: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/13/118
17:10:07 <pi31415> kilobyte: I patched sdlterm to include a virtual keyboard to make crawl playable with a joystick
17:12:21 <kilobyte> cool, I got one that was made in 1982 or 1983.  I'd just need to find out how to operate a gameport (plenty of old cards lying around that have one).
17:13:37 <SamB> gameport, wow
17:13:57 <SamB> I haven't used a gameport in ... I don't know how long ...
17:14:29 <pi31415> i've only tested RCL with USB game controllers
17:14:44 <|amethyst> I've got cards lying around that support gamecards, but they're all ISA :/
17:14:52 <|amethyst> s/card/port/
17:14:58 <|amethyst> err, second instance
17:15:35 <geekosaur> I have not had a card with a gameport since I did a mass cleaning in 2002ish
17:15:49 <kilobyte> SamB: the last computer I used with these (had two, one died, another is still new) successfully was an XT...
17:15:57 <|amethyst> *maybe* I have a Sound Blaster Live somewhere
17:16:12 <kilobyte> I tried it like last year, but gave up on the software side after an hour or so
17:16:15 <Naruni> |amethyst: harmless_to_player can check for resistance, it just doesnt for freezing cloud (and poisonous cloud from a quick glance). These two 'bugs' could be easily squashed. ill work on moving these checks to the appropriate places as recommended by kilobyte
17:16:40 <|amethyst> Naruni:  it does check pcloud
17:16:52 <|amethyst> case BEAM_POISON:
17:16:52 <|amethyst> return (player_res_poison(false) >= 3
17:16:53 <|amethyst> || is_big_cloud && player_res_poison(false) > 0);
17:16:57 <|amethyst> is_big_cloud
17:16:57 <kilobyte> Naruni: I'm not the ultimate authority here, if you think another place would be better, it might be
17:17:54 <Naruni> |amethyst: missed that, youre right
17:18:54 <|amethyst> Naruni:  (freezing cloud uses BEAM_COLD; see cast_big_c()
17:18:55 <|amethyst> )
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17:19:13 <Naruni> this code is sloppy
17:19:25 <|amethyst> beam code sloppy?
17:19:29 <|amethyst> perish the thought
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17:20:05 <|amethyst> Naruni:  Yeah, everything about the beam code appears to be a massive pile of hacks
17:20:17 <Naruni> bool bolt::harmless_to_player() const and bool bolt::is_harmless(const monster* mon) const
17:20:41 <Naruni> could be combined to harmless_to(agent)
17:20:42 <|amethyst> Naruni:  yeah, kilobyte was suggesting to merge those
17:21:26 <Naruni> i think anything spell related in the context of whodunit should be in agent scope
17:22:42 <|amethyst> the only difficulty is that sometimes the decision is different for players and monsters
17:22:45 <SamB> beam code, that's the one with all that string comparision?
17:23:13 <|amethyst> e.g. if a monster will take 0 damage from fire, then it's harmless.  If a *player* would, it might not be harmless, because of item destruction
17:23:58 <|amethyst> but that's no reason for it to be two separate functions
17:24:28 <|amethyst> SamB:  it's not *that* much string comparison, but yeah
17:24:43 <SamB> |amethyst: but it's THAT ugly
17:24:52 <|amethyst> SamB:  all the code we're looking at right now uses enums as god sintended
17:24:58 <|amethyst> s/god s/gods /
17:25:00 <Naruni> |amethyst: on fire damage application, an easy if( agent != player ) { break; } else { damage_item_check; } would address that?
17:26:04 <Naruni> without going on a tangent, i'll just fix the resistance check as should be and work on other things in small changes.
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17:26:38 <|amethyst> Naruni:  yeah, adding the check for icemail and merging those two functions should be separate commits
17:27:31 <|amethyst> probably I'd order them as fix first and then the merge (so the fix can be cherry-picked to older versions), but there are arguments for the other order too
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17:28:51 <|amethyst> Naruni:  as for merging those, something like   return agent->is_monster() && agent->res_fire() >= 3;   would be the simplest way to combine them
17:30:02 <|amethyst> other weird things include monster rElec having three levels while player rElec has one
17:30:10 <Naruni> |amethyst: i agree. additionally, im going to look a little more closely to ensure the function is called correctly so that it will handle arguments properly. i'm probably going to have to replace harmless_to_player with is_harmless(player) or something
17:30:35 <|amethyst> (but player rElec counts as 2 when you call you.res_elec())
17:31:03 <Naruni> is there a way in game to get that stuff?
17:31:29 <Naruni> in wizmode if i wanted to see elec res value can i type mpr(you.res_elec()) somehow
17:32:32 <|amethyst> use a debugger
17:33:02 <Naruni> woah woah woah... easy there copernicus
17:33:03 <|amethyst> the only stuff you can type and execute in game is Lua, which is not necessarily calling the same functions
17:33:18 <Naruni> i dont go venture into such brave new worlds just yet
17:33:24 <|amethyst> it's not that hard
17:33:31 <|amethyst> you're on GNU/Linux?
17:33:33 <Naruni> yeah
17:33:36 <kilobyte> Naruni: if the output would be too spammy (or you're debugging display), there's debuglog() that writes to debug.txt
17:33:36 <Naruni> Arch
17:34:01 <|amethyst> while the game is running,  go to the command line and type   gdb -p $(pidof crawl)
17:34:15 <|amethyst> that will pause the game and give you a prompt in gdb
17:34:29 <|amethyst> then you can type, for example,    print you.res_elec()
17:34:58 <|amethyst> when you're done, type  quit  and answer yes to exit the debugger and continue the program
17:35:56 <|amethyst> or just type 'continue' to continue the program but keep the debugger running; then you can go to gdb and press ctrl-c to interrupt the program at any point and print more stuff
17:36:03 <Naruni> (gdb) print you.mutation[MUT_ICEMAIL]
17:36:03 <Naruni> No symbol table is loaded.  Use the "file" command.
17:36:34 <kilobyte> you need gdb ./crawl
17:36:50 <kilobyte> (possibly with the pid)
17:37:21 <|amethyst> shouldn't gdb -p be able to find the executable?
17:37:59 <Naruni> (gdb) print you.res_elec()
17:37:59 <Naruni> Attempt to extract a component of a value that is not a structure.
17:38:08 <Naruni> you. would be for lua right?
17:38:22 <|amethyst> you is also the player object in C++
17:38:34 <|amethyst> hm, did it not attach correctly?
17:38:41 <Naruni> no still says no symbol
17:38:43 <kilobyte> |amethyst: possibly, at least I did not know about -p; without it the executable name before the PID is mandatory
17:38:52 <Naruni> after gdb ./crawl in workingdir
17:39:17 <kilobyte> (and strictly speaking, ambiguous if somehow you named a core dump with all digits)
17:40:04 <|amethyst> Naruni:  oh, I guess your binary was stripped?
17:40:14 <Naruni> gdb crawl 11263 opened it, but im still getting no symbol table
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17:40:16 <|amethyst> Naruni:  try building with  make DEBUG=y
17:40:22 <Naruni> ah yeah
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17:41:14 <pi31415> on linux I have to "make debug install" instead of "make install"
17:41:17 <|amethyst> IMO everything should be built with debug symbols (they can be stand-off if you prefer)
17:41:19 <pi31415> or else it gets stripped
17:41:50 <SamB> |amethyst: policy agrees
17:42:18 <pi31415> also for some reason, "make" or "make debug-lite" rebuilds ALL files instead of only the modified ones, which makes me wonder why bother to use a makefile
17:42:25 <kilobyte> pi31415: not just on Linux, in all cases you need to repeat the full list of arguments when doing "make install"
17:42:42 <kilobyte> pi31415: ... works for me
17:42:51 <|amethyst> pi31415:  like, you run make twice in a row with no changes to the command-line or any files and it does a full rebuild?
17:42:53 <kilobyte> (besides the insanity of our current makefile)
17:43:47 <kilobyte> for some reason "make install" computes the build arguments and if they disagree with stored ones there's a complete rebuild
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17:45:06 <pi31415> kilobyte: I did repeat the full list of arguments.  I was careful to type them the same but it is possible that I made a mistake.
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17:45:27 <pi31415> |amethyst: I edit a single file, I re-run make with the same arguments, and it does a full rebuild
17:45:44 <|amethyst> pi31415:  and that's not a header file?
17:45:48 <Naruni> pi31415: thats odd. what platform are you on? and what is your make command
17:46:05 <pi31415> it was windowmanager-sdl.cc on linux
17:46:57 <Naruni> in using arch and anytime i make a change it only recompiles that .cc file. my make command is: nice make -j2 TILES=y
17:47:03 <pi31415> make debug-lite prefix=/usr DATADIR=/usr/share/games/crawl EXTERNAL_FLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -mtune=i686" GLES=1 SAVEDIR=~/.crawl/ SDL2=1 TILES=1
17:47:07 <Naruni> except now im adding DEBUG to that
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17:47:57 <|amethyst> pi31415:  does it print the  "* rebuilding crawl" line?
17:48:20 <pi31415> |amethyst: I don't have a rebuild log handy at the moment
17:48:21 <|amethyst> "    * rebuilding crawl: new build flags or prefix"
17:48:47 <SamB> it should tell you what's changed to trigger this
17:49:19 <|amethyst> yeah, we have had bugs in the past with extra whitespace and/or backslashes
17:50:29 <SamB> IIRC something went wrong here in trunk during the competition?
17:50:44 <Naruni> |amethyst: while youre here would you do me a favor and delete all those automagic patches i submitted up to v4?
17:50:57 <|amethyst> SamB:  yeah, because I added a #define that had quotes in it
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17:52:39 <SamB> we were shell-expanding something without quoting it first right?
17:53:09 <SamB> or ... something like that ...
17:58:19 <Sizzell> Cheibrodos (L27 OgAr) ASSERT(new_slime->alive()) in 'mon-abil.cc' at line 426 failed. (Slime:2)
17:59:04 <kilobyte> !lm * type=crash -log
17:59:04 <Sequell> 5351. Cheibrodos, XL27 OgAr, T:95060 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Cheibrodos/crash-Cheibrodos-20130913-225818.txt
17:59:47 <kilobyte> oh, so not only starcursed asses could crash this way
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18:04:56 <|amethyst> Naruni:  done
18:06:03 <Naruni> |amethyst: thanks
18:07:49 <Naruni> |amethyst: Also, #4804 patch submitted. I think that could be resolved. If there is anything more you think needs to be looked at before commiting, please let me know.
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18:15:04 <|amethyst> still needs to check is_big_cloud
18:15:29 <|amethyst> otherwise it would apply to things like bolt of cold too
18:15:43 <|amethyst> I can do that
18:18:34 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3035-g8d5db09: Use adjacent_iterator in one place. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d5db099897a
18:18:34 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3036-g8dd770e: Fix a crash with a near-dead slime creature splitting. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dd770e0c984
18:19:07 <Naruni> whats is_big_cloud
18:19:35 <|amethyst> it's a flag on the beam that says it's a "big cloud" spell; see cast_big_c, which sets it
18:19:37 <Naruni> ah i found it
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18:20:42 <Naruni> does that check belong in harmless_to_player?
18:21:22 <|amethyst> Naruni:  icemail doesn't make you immune to cold
18:21:33 <|amethyst> but it does make you immune to freezing cloud
18:22:00 <|amethyst> so it kind of has to check that (or otherwise check that the BEAM_COLD is from freezing cloud) in harmless_to_player
18:22:19 <G-Flex> more specifically, doesn't it make you immune to clouds of... well, whatever ice clouds are called
18:22:31 <G-Flex> oh right, monster freezing cloud is weird, isn't it
18:22:43 <|amethyst> G-Flex:  right, but this is for the tracer
18:22:49 <|amethyst> so there isn't actually a cloud yet
18:22:57 <G-Flex> yeah I forgot that monster freezing cloud is stupid and weird
18:23:03 <Naruni> return (you.mutation[MUT_ICEMAIL] && spell.origin == SPELL_FREEZING_CLOUD );
18:23:09 <|amethyst> this applies to player freezing cloud too
18:23:22 <G-Flex> yeah but player freezing cloud doesn't cause direct damage, it just puts clouds on the ground
18:23:30 <G-Flex> unless I'm wrong about that
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18:23:39 <|amethyst> G-Flex:  this is about the tracer
18:24:00 <|amethyst> G-Flex:  currently it warns "Do you really want to target yourself?" even if you have icemail
18:24:02 <G-Flex> I guess I'm not 100% sure what "tracer" means in this context, because I don't know why icemail would affect it
18:24:04 <G-Flex> oh that
18:24:07 <G-Flex> that makes sense
18:24:22 <G-Flex> I've seen opposite situations where it doesn't warn you about things it should, by the way, although I forget which spells
18:24:24 <Naruni> |amethyst: that should stay there right"
18:24:34 <G-Flex> I know I've cast things I can be damaged by on myself accidentally without a prompt, probably a cloud spell
18:25:05 <|amethyst> G-Flex:  There have been several bugs about that in both directions, yes :)
18:25:12 <|amethyst> many of which are fixed
18:25:57 <|amethyst> Naruni:  I was thinking is_big_cloud instead of testing a specific spell, to match the BEAM_POISON case
18:26:53 <SamB> why do we care how big the cloud is ?
18:27:26 <|amethyst> there's no general flag for "this beam will produce a cloud"
18:28:13 <|amethyst> or, more specifically, "this beam will only produce a cloud"
18:29:17 <G-Flex> out of curiosity, why doesn't monster freezing cloud just do the same thing the player version does?
18:31:01 <|amethyst> G-Flex:  AI might be part of it
18:31:22 <|amethyst> G-Flex:  since the AI looks at how much damage it will do, and that doesn't know about clouds
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18:33:42 <|amethyst> %git 1798905e
18:33:43 <Cheibriados> 07greensnark02 * r1798905e716a: Added ice statues. 10(6 years ago, 38 files, 2090+ 1835-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1798905e716a
18:33:46 <Cheibriados> Water Nymph Special Ability Accesses Normally Inaccessible Area <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7550> by Wizzzargh
18:34:12 <SamB> cheating computer!
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18:55:00 <|amethyst> Naruni:  galefury is right re: automagic.  Spell letters past u are common
18:55:19 <|amethyst> Naruni:  I put my primary damage spell on z for example
18:56:01 <|amethyst> Naruni:  (once I get high enough level that that's not the same as my cheap damage spell on slot a)
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19:02:39 <|amethyst> SamB:  re pudquick's suggestion about NO_INLINE_DEPGEN
19:03:01 <|amethyst> SamB:  I think there is a bigger problem... namely, why are we building a universal tilegen anyway?
19:03:19 <|amethyst> SamB: shouldn't tilegen be compiled for the host, not the target?
19:10:51 <SamB> (did I not ask this?)
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19:18:59 <|amethyst> oh, maybe I missed it
19:19:15 <|amethyst> s/maybe //
19:20:17 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3038-gd2aabe6: Axe a historic comment. 10(37 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2aabe6624aa
19:20:17 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3039-gf4bb708: Revert "db_lint: support :quote quotes" 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4bb708d1c94
19:20:17 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3040-gccdc2b5: db_lint: don't whine about translated quotes for untranslated descs. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccdc2b5da75b
19:20:17 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-3041-g341fab9: Fix water nymphs teleporting people through walls. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=341fab92c262
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20:26:01 <Cheibriados> Crash when selecting Wanderer background <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7551> by Vinterriket
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21:45:50 <Gretell> Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-3041-g341fab9
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22:59:23 <frogor> SamB: You rang?
22:59:32 <SamB> frogor: hey
23:00:00 <frogor> What's up?
23:01:16 <SamB> |amethyst and I were wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to just build tilegen single-arch
23:01:46 <frogor> Sure, since it doesn't make it into the final app and the results are the same either way
23:03:00 <frogor> Unless someone is doing something really exotic with their CFLAGS can probably just skip em
23:03:23 <frogor> Tile gen goes fast, even unoptimized
23:03:41 <SamB> hmm, I think it cares about whether we're building tiles or not
23:04:02 <frogor> ?
23:04:29 <frogor> It?
23:04:38 <|amethyst> tilegen
23:04:38 <Henzell> |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
23:05:33 <|amethyst> if you're building non-tiles tilegen needs to make the .cc and .h files but not the images
23:05:43 <frogor> Well, if you're not skipping the flags, then you've got to filter / modify / override them.
23:06:03 <frogor> Ah
23:06:47 * frogor looks up -arch syntax
23:06:51 <|amethyst> hm
23:07:24 <|amethyst> ohh
23:07:28 <SamB> it looks like we build CFLAGS from scratch anyway?
23:07:30 <|amethyst> we put CFLAGS_ARCH into CC
23:07:37 <|amethyst> which is exported
23:07:46 <SamB> ouch
23:08:57 <SamB> what do we even use CC for though?
23:09:20 <SamB> it looks like we use HOSTCXX here
23:09:23 <|amethyst> oh, you're right
23:09:24 <frogor> Well, this is relevant
23:09:30 <frogor> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9611987/remove-a-flag-from-cflags-in-makefile
23:09:42 <frogor> It is possible to filter
23:10:04 <|amethyst> right, but the question is how did it get there in the first place
23:11:01 <frogor> Mmm, I'd have to switch to my laptop and see. On my iPhone at the moment.
23:11:27 <frogor> 'Sec, grabbing it
23:12:21 * SamB wonders if "make -p" would help here
23:12:58 <|amethyst> the contents of .cflags and rltiles/.cflags might be helpful too
23:14:44 <frogor> Brb, switching to desktop client
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23:16:27 <frogor> Ok, checking on where CFLAGS is coming through
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23:19:25 <frogor> Ok, so in the original source/Makefile, CC is redefined to include the CFLAGS_ARCH
23:19:34 <frogor> ifdef BUILD_UNIVERSAL
23:19:34 <frogor> # [ds] 10.4 SDK g++-4.0 + x86_64 runs into SDL compile issues.
23:19:34 <frogor> CFLAGS_ARCH := -arch i386 -arch ppc -faltivec
23:19:39 <frogor> CC = $(GCC) $(CFLAGS_ARCH) -isysroot $(SDKROOT) -mmacosx-version-min=$(SDK_VER)
23:19:39 <frogor> CXX = $(GXX) $(CFLAGS_ARCH) -isysroot $(SDKROOT) -mmacosx-version-min=$(SDK_VER)
23:20:09 <frogor> Pretty sure the rltiles build is chaining from source/Makefile
23:20:15 <frogor> And CC/GCC come through
23:20:31 * frogor checks rltiles/Makefile
23:21:16 <frogor> Oh this is where you mentioned HOSTCXX
23:21:18 <frogor> Hmm.
23:22:07 <frogor> So you what, just want me to try make .cflags  for rltiles?
23:22:08 * frogor tries
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23:25:22 <|amethyst> frogor:  build the way you did before and look at the contents of that file (it is generated by the Makefile)
23:25:35 <frogor> Yeah, figured, doing now
23:26:01 <|amethyst> you don't have to wait for it to finish; it's created pretty early
23:26:13 <frogor> Oh, yeah, already ran - checking
23:26:55 <frogor> > cat .cflags
23:26:56 <frogor> g++-4.0 -arch i386 -arch ppc -faltivec -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -mmacosx-version-min=10.4 -O2 -g -Wall -Wextra -Wno-parentheses -Wno-unused-parameter -I../contrib/install/i686-apple-darwin10/include/SDL -I../contrib/install/i686-apple-darwin10/include -DUSE_TILE
23:27:05 <|amethyst> hmm
23:27:14 <frogor> So yeah, the universal arch flags did come down.
23:27:39 <|amethyst> aha
23:27:45 <|amethyst> ifndef CROSSHOST
23:27:45 <|amethyst> HOSTCC = $(CC)
23:27:45 <|amethyst> HOSTCXX = $(CXX)
23:27:45 <|amethyst> export HOSTCC
23:27:45 <|amethyst> export HOSTCXX
23:27:47 <|amethyst> endif
23:27:51 <|amethyst> in the toplevel makefile
23:27:54 <SamB> ah
23:28:06 <frogor> Ah, so it just inherits.
23:28:12 <frogor> Unless you're specifically building crosshost.
23:28:21 <SamB> maybe we need another alternative for Darwin or something
23:28:24 <|amethyst> because it doesn't consider a universal build cross-compilation, yes
23:29:52 <|amethyst> SamB:  hmm, what if we passed down DEPCC/DEPCXX in that case?
23:30:22 <frogor> Hmm, also noticed that -O2 was used in my build and someone had made mention of gcc-4.2 having over optimization issues and having to reduce it to -O1 to eliminate the problem.
23:30:44 <frogor> So maybe my build isn't a good candidate for public.
23:31:02 <|amethyst> SamB:  ifdef BUILD_UNIVERSAL  HOSTCC=$(DEPCC) ... else HOSTCC=$(CC) ... endif
23:31:27 <SamB> |amethyst: don't we still want the other "if" in there
23:31:40 <|amethyst> SamB:  right, inside the ifndef CROSSHOST
23:31:52 <SamB> ah
23:32:21 <SamB> guess that works
23:32:53 <|amethyst> ah, don't even need the if
23:33:09 <|amethyst> DEPCC is the same as CC if universal isn't on
23:33:34 <SamB> oh this is all in the MacOS only section huh
23:33:40 <|amethyst> yeah
23:35:29 <SamB> hmm, this CFLAGS_DEPCC_ARCH is going to need changing if I ever try to build crawl on that G5 iMac ;-)
23:35:49 <|amethyst> SamB:  could probably just omit it
23:36:01 <|amethyst> oh
23:36:07 <SamB> otherwise mightn't it try to do a universal build?
23:36:27 <|amethyst> I mean set it to the empty string, but "or" doesn't work like that :)
23:36:49 <frogor> Oh wow, didn't even notice that was hardcoded to intel :p
23:37:02 <frogor> Amusing.
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23:37:26 <|amethyst> hmm
23:37:31 <|amethyst> # [ds] 10.4 SDK g++-4.0 + x86_64 runs into SDL compile issues.
23:37:42 <|amethyst> Wonder if the -O0 fixed that?
23:38:06 <SamB> isn't -O0 a bit much?
23:38:35 <|amethyst> SamB:  we were building with -O1... and still someone got a build where spells didn't cost MP
23:38:54 <|amethyst> and rebuilding with NO_OPTIMIZE=y fixed it
23:39:26 <SamB> which version of GCC was that?
23:39:30 <|amethyst> I guess *maybe* they could have had out-of-sync files instead
23:39:33 <frogor> Personally, something like that would make me go back to my code and see what I'm going that's causing the compiler to optimize out necessary code :/
23:39:37 <|amethyst> apple's gcc 4.2
23:39:50 <frogor> er, *I'm doing
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23:43:52 <|amethyst> frogor:  does this help? (try it on a pristine trunk):  http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/0001-Fix-Mac-universal-builds.patch
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23:44:36 <frogor> Let me see.
23:44:39 <frogor> Checking
23:44:49 <|amethyst> also, maybe -O2 is okay if you're not building 64-bit code... definitely try drinking a potion of experience
23:45:27 <|amethyst> that crashes pretty reliably when the miscompile happens
23:45:36 <|amethyst> (of course there may be others :( )
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23:48:50 <frogor> Fortunately I kept the original rltiles/Makefile as Makefile.bak, so I'll just patch source/Makefile and revert.
23:48:52 <frogor> Testing
23:49:15 <|amethyst> (Also, if you do want a 3-architecture build, you can probably add -arch x86_64 to the CFLAGS_ARCH line)
23:49:35 <|amethyst> (but then you definitely need low or no optimisation)
23:49:39 <frogor> Actually I want to eventually go 4+ universal :)
23:49:52 <frogor> 32 and 64 bit powerpc, 32 and 64 bit intel :)
23:49:56 <frogor> But that's a future goal.
23:50:07 <frogor> Hmm
23:50:12 <frogor> Seems to have moved through
23:50:14 <frogor> Checking .cflags now
23:50:31 <frogor> > cat rltiles/.cflags
23:50:31 <frogor> g++-4.0 -arch i386 -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -mmacosx-version-min=10.4 -O2 -g -Wall -Wextra -Wno-parentheses -Wno-unused-parameter
23:50:37 <frogor> No errors generated.
23:51:10 <frogor> Letting it run through
23:51:17 <|amethyst> so that breaks attempts at universal builds on ppcs, but those won't working before :)
23:51:23 <|amethyst> I guess I'll push this
23:51:30 * Grunt pushes |amethyst.
23:52:40 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-3042-gdae78c3: Fix Mac universal builds. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dae78c358dd1
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23:54:03 <SamB> |amethyst: yeah, I'll fix that if I ever get around to trying it ...
23:55:32 <Cheibriados> Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12
23:55:41 <frogor> And not sure if you care, but I do always get warnings on this one
23:55:48 <frogor> attack.h:14: warning: ‘class attack’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
23:55:48 <frogor> melee_attack.h:30: warning: ‘class melee_attack’ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
23:56:18 <frogor> Probably sane code, was just mentioning it.
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23:56:48 <frogor> Sounds like single destructor, and then you just implement the various types of attack code
23:56:56 <|amethyst> yeah, that warning is no longer default in later g++
23:57:04 <frogor> Fair enough
23:57:28 <SamB> does it give that warning if we call new on it?
23:57:30 <|amethyst> it's not an error by itself, but is an error if you ever use 'delete' on a base class pointer
23:57:36 <frogor> Right
23:57:41 <|amethyst> SamB:  it gives the warning if you use delete
23:57:45 <SamB> |amethyst: ah
23:57:59 <SamB> that's sensible
23:58:01 <|amethyst> -Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor is in -Wall but (now) -Wnon-virtual-dtor is in -Weffc++
23:59:09 <SamB> at least it has a name of its own
23:59:34 <frogor> Everything built and linked fine.
23:59:40 <frogor> So yeah, changes are a-ok.
23:59:59 <SamB> wait, you didn't try running it?