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08:16:15 <kilobyte> SamB: it looks like glibc will try to extend the buffer in some cases.  It can't handle filenames above 4096/1024, but can longer paths that consist of short elements.
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08:17:14 <kilobyte> SamB: it will take O(n^2) time, and for short paths (ie, 99.99% cases) there's a lot of wasted memory
08:17:25 <kilobyte> but it's not as bad as I thought
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08:41:03 <Zaba> a manual page from an old BSD says plainly, "[ENAMETOOLONG] A component of a pathname exceeded 255 characters, or an entire path name exceeded 1023 characters."
08:43:51 <Zaba> things used to be so much more straightforward back in the day...
08:46:56 <kilobyte> if everything would apply the same limit, things would be ok
08:47:54 <kilobyte> but if the rest of the system allows unlimited filename lengths, yet one function that's not unlikely to be used in a security sensitive context, has an arbitrary limit, that's asking for disaster
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10:09:17 <Cheibriados> 03Translators02 {galehar} 07* 0.13-a0-2943-g0a0b9e9: [Transifex] 10(3 minutes ago, 6 files, 229+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a0b9e9c0cdb
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12:07:15 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2943-g0a0b9e9 (34)
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12:29:43 <|amethyst> ogaz:  /away stuff
12:29:58 <ogaz> |amethyst: huh?
12:30:07 <|amethyst> ogaz:  err, oops, apparently I hit tab when I didn't mean to :P
12:31:10 <absolutego> i'm trying to update the player glyph on every turn with lua but it doesn't seem to work, i guess this is intended behaviour?
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14:40:55 <dpeg> Hm, with nothing going on here, let me just advertise a pretty cool species proposal by LordKristopf on the dev wiki. (I cannot link, but just click on Recent Changes.) It's about abominations and has lots of potential, in my opinion.
14:41:32 <dpeg> I'd advertise this more aggressively, i.e. on the forum, if it weren't for the fact that we have sufficiently many new species on our plate already :)
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14:44:23 <Soner> If I have a small change I'd like to ask about, and I've already written the patch for it, where should I take it?
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14:48:28 <BlastHardcheese> Soner: post the patch on bugzilla probably
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14:49:09 <BlastHardcheese> oh yeah whatever it is they use
14:49:16 <SamB> ??mantis
14:49:17 <Henzell> bug[1/2]: To report bugs, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php
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15:15:08 <|amethyst> Soner:  pick "patches" as the category there; login is the same as the forums and devwiki
15:16:04 <Soner> I have it ready to submit, I'm just doing some last second tests.
15:19:24 <absolutego> have you discussed it with people here first
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15:21:05 <kilobyte> dpeg: I'm afraid the proposal is too vague to even think about turning it into code, or seriously analyzing balance
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15:27:38 <Cheibriados> Changes scrolls of vorpalise weapon to scrolls of brand weapon <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7537> by Soner
15:28:09 <Soner> absolutego: I asked where I should take it to, and was told to just submit it.
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15:30:20 <MarvinPA> well that's a good change that i was vaguely meaning to do at some point anyway
15:31:18 <MarvinPA> in general here is a good place to mention things that you're thinking of working on but if it's small/uncontroversial stuff then just posting it is fine
15:34:30 <MarvinPA> also it's good to make a local commit and use git format-patch for patches, that way it keeps your authorship information (also the diff seems to complain about removing binary files, i can do that manually though i guess)
15:35:32 <Soner> I don't care about authorship information, but since it apparently has other issues, I'll keep that in mind.
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15:41:55 <dpeg> kilobyte: it is! I am saying that I have ideas how to flesh it out into something playable!
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15:53:15 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2944-g1662485: Correctly add last-place score entries (#2834) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1662485a73ef
15:53:36 <Cheibriados> Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12
15:54:43 <MarvinPA> Soner: also as far as the translations go, i'm pretty sure that changing the english marks the translations as needing to be updated automatically (i don't really know how transifex works though)
15:54:58 <|amethyst> woo, one 34-month-old bug down :)
15:55:02 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2945-g2e0ee8d: Rename scroll of vorpalise weapon to scroll of brand weapon (Soner) 10(12 minutes ago, 20 files, 31+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e0ee8d01092
15:55:13 <MarvinPA> Soner: and thanks for the patch :)
15:55:26 <Soner> You're welcome.
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15:58:24 <Soner> Does anyone know the planned release date for 0.14?
15:58:31 <Soner> Er, 0.13 that is.
15:58:55 <|amethyst> There is not yet a planned release date
15:59:16 <|amethyst> I guess I could declare "the planned release date is October 1"
15:59:24 <|amethyst> but that doesn't mean people will listen :)
15:59:48 <enygmata> is there a list of things that must be done?
16:00:26 <|amethyst> figure out which new races will be omitted from 0.13; decide the same thing about Forest; and fix bugs
16:00:33 <|amethyst> maybe there's more I'm forgetting
16:00:40 <gammafunk> Release the Kraken on October 1st
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16:02:01 <|amethyst> s/omitted from/disabled in/
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16:03:40 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  re the translations, I think the way Soner did it is best
16:03:54 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  i.e. preserving and renaming existing translations
16:04:08 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  since I don't think transifex is smart enough to detect renames like that
16:04:31 <MarvinPA> the patch on mantis also adjusted some spell translations (excruciating wounds and warp weapon)
16:04:39 <|amethyst> ah
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16:04:48 <MarvinPA> that's the bit that i wasn't sure about, possibly transifex would complain or something
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16:05:23 <MarvinPA> but yeah renaming the translation entries is right i think
16:05:37 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  aha
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16:08:08 <ontoclasm> i've got a... maybe sort of bug?
16:08:35 <ontoclasm> if you use lesser healing, there are monsters in view, but all of them are immune
16:08:43 <ontoclasm> due to being mindless or whatever
16:08:53 <ontoclasm> you get a targeting reticule anyway
16:09:08 <ontoclasm> but of course you can't do anything with it since you can't affect yourself and they're all immune
16:10:12 <Soner> Maybe that's intended for invisible monsters? Just a guess.
16:10:33 <ontoclasm> maybe
16:10:39 <ontoclasm> can you pacify invisible monsters?
16:10:55 <ontoclasm> ...wait, i know you can
16:11:04 <ontoclasm> so maybe not a bug then
16:12:11 <MarvinPA> i thought maybe that was changed so you can't anymore
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16:13:21 <MarvinPA> nevermind looks like you can
16:13:33 <MarvinPA> also if you try and pacify a sleeping invisible monster it doesn't cost a turn
16:14:43 <MarvinPA> not that that would ever be any use i guess
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16:17:10 <ontoclasm> hm, is it currently possible to have sprints use normal monster generation
16:17:37 <ontoclasm> i guess just don't make them encompass?
16:19:24 <|amethyst> no, it needs C++ changes
16:19:35 <|amethyst> see the beginning of spawn_random_monsters
16:20:08 <|amethyst> no spawning in connected branches in sprint while the player is descending (pre-orb-pickup)
16:21:34 <ogaz> sprint originally used to have kobolds and goblins spawning in it, it was kind of silly
16:21:37 <SamB> descending/ascending sound a bit odd WRT a single-floor dungeon
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16:22:32 <Naruni> hello
16:22:43 <|amethyst> Probably st's FR mentions that as something to make tunable
16:23:01 <Naruni> |amethyst, are you gonna commit my automagic patch? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488
16:24:00 <|amethyst> I'd rather have someone more familiar with autofight stuff look over it
16:24:12 <|amethyst> perhaps you can get elliptic to take a look?
16:24:39 <Naruni> ok ill give him a buzz when i see him
16:24:58 <|amethyst> !tell elliptic would you mind providing feedback on Naruni's automagic.lua at #7488 ?
16:24:58 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let elliptic know.
16:25:17 <Naruni> how about the cloud info leak patch, and placing clouds outside of LOS
16:27:35 <|amethyst> talk over that one with kilobyte
16:29:32 <|amethyst> I think but am not sure that it addresses his concerns (by only affecting the targetter and not the actual placement)
16:29:58 <kilobyte> [quite busy right now] the targetter does placement work actually
16:30:06 <kilobyte> for big clouds, that is
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16:30:27 <Naruni> !tell kilobyte can we talk about the cloud leak info patch that i submitted when you get a chance? (#5138 and #5548)
16:30:28 <Henzell> Naruni: OK, I'll let kilobyte know.
16:30:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  so the change could let it 'leak' through an out-of-sight wall?
16:30:36 <Naruni> ah there you are
16:30:58 <kilobyte> the problem is, you can't just assume unknown stuff is walls _or_ clear, as there exist cases in between that make the cloud spread less or more than any of those
16:30:58 <Henzell> kilobyte: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:31:12 <Naruni> kilobyte, ill be around for a while, i just want to hear what you have to say when you have time to discuss it
16:31:58 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  it sounds like the real problem is that the actual cloud placement depends on the targetter
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16:32:16 <kilobyte> balance-wise it would probably be best to not allow any cloud to flow anywhere not in LOS (no matter if known or not), but I'm afraid this would be abusable to shape the cloud
16:32:36 <SamB> that sounds kind of crazy ...
16:32:40 <kilobyte> |amethyst: why?  Less code duplication, and this way they stay in sync.  The algorithm would need to be coded anyway.
16:33:20 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  mainly, I think it's okay to leak info about what's OOS upon actual casting, but it's not okay to do so in the targetter (which is free)
16:33:26 <kilobyte> I wonder how real the concerns about shaping are
16:34:09 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  but I guess there are issues if the targetter lies (you might think your fcloud is TSO-safe but then it turns out not to be)
16:34:16 <kilobyte> |amethyst: yet the targetter needs to know what could be hit in the worst case, and the worst case is sometimes neither "all walls" nor "all open"
16:34:48 <SamB> and which is worse?
16:34:56 <SamB> if it DOESN'T hit something or if it DOES?
16:35:36 <kilobyte> SamB: both are bad, I'd say
16:35:36 <|amethyst> probably if it does, since you can't be put into penance for failing to hit something
16:35:44 <kilobyte> yeah
16:35:55 <SamB> kilobyte: depends on which thing ;-)
16:36:03 <|amethyst> we can distinguish guaranteed-to-hit from might-hit anyway
16:36:12 <SamB> yeah
16:36:18 <|amethyst> so the question would be how to treat unknown squares in a conservative way
16:36:38 <|amethyst> maybe allow the cloud to flow through them, but don't count them towards the limit?
16:36:50 <|amethyst> that would be a bit of an overestimate
16:36:52 <kilobyte> after a _very_ tiny bit of thinking, it seems to me that most of shaping abuse can be emulated by pointing the initial point elsewhere
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16:37:23 <kilobyte> if so, the whole problem could be avoiding by this rule: if there's an actor, count any squares not in LOS of that actor as walls
16:37:30 <SamB> you mean eliminated don't you
16:37:42 <kilobyte> s/avoiding/avoided/
16:37:59 <SamB> so is this just for freshly placed clouds then?
16:38:09 <kilobyte> SamB: no, I mean you get mostly the same effect with abuse as with pointing elsewhere
16:38:16 <kilobyte> but I'm not sure how abusable it is
16:38:31 <kilobyte> SamB: yes, no player-castable clouds spread
16:40:27 <|amethyst> so it sounds like Naruni's stuff in #5548 (don't place clouds out of LOS, and accelerate decay out of LOS) together with a reversed version of #5138 (treat unseen squares as walls, not floor) would be acceptible?
16:41:23 <kilobyte> no, #5548 is way way way too low level
16:41:34 <|amethyst> oh, right, forest fires
16:41:43 <kilobyte> it blocks almost all ways to spawn clouds, even those not caused by the player
16:42:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  it checks the agent
16:42:14 <|amethyst> or does the player get used as the agent for things like forest fires
16:42:32 <kilobyte> yes, you started the fire, you get blamed for it (both for good and ill)
16:43:24 <kilobyte> other such clouds I can think of are non-damaging
16:43:48 <SamB> you don't want out-of-LoS forest fires dead though I hope?
16:43:49 <|amethyst> what things should be prevented then?
16:44:18 <|amethyst> inner flame?  meph?  dragon breath?
16:44:48 <|amethyst> corpse rot and ignite poison aren't an issue since they require LOS anyway
16:46:37 <SamB> hmm, is it intentional that &s doesn't (appear to) level your skills up immediately?
16:47:35 <|amethyst> SamB:  I suspect it was intentional in the bad old days
16:47:52 <|amethyst> it's probably not intentional that it still works that way
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16:49:04 <SamB> well, yeah, skills worked differently back then
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16:58:54 <Naruni> kilobyte, i actually tested it after you talked about forest fires, forest fires started by the player will spread outside LOS
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17:05:02 <Naruni> thats because in dissiptate_cloud it checks if the cloud is a forest fire, then calls _spread_fire, which isnt restricted by spreading outside of LOS
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17:16:05 <SamB> ??forestfire
17:16:05 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled forestfire in my learndb.
17:16:08 <SamB> ??forest fire
17:16:09 <Henzell> forest fire[1/1]: When you set fire to {trees}, it becomes a forest fire! Isn't that nice?
17:16:19 * SamB was looking for a good tutorial
17:16:28 <alefury> it burns
17:16:58 <geekosaur> wand of fire, cast fire storm, ...
17:17:14 <ontoclasm> tutorial on what
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17:18:06 <SamB> how to get a good forest fire going
17:18:11 <SamB> my attempts keep fizzling
17:18:35 <ontoclasm> lightning/fire bolts
17:18:38 <ontoclasm> fireballs
17:18:45 <ontoclasm> wand of fire, but not flame
17:18:58 <ontoclasm> fire storm i guess but uh
17:19:14 <SamB> yeah fireball was my first guess
17:20:32 <alefury> ??trees
17:20:33 <Henzell> trees[1/4]: A type of feature, represented by a 7. A single tree does not block LOS, though two do. Conjure flame, fireballs, and bolts of magma/fire/lightning all will set them ablaze, causing flame clouds that wander a bit. Don't get too close! Disintegration also works.
17:20:59 <SamB> ♣♣ is 77 now?
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17:22:43 <Naruni> the only thing i have left to test is situational placement, like the one in kilobyte's comment, but i am in need of wizmode ability to place/remove specific walls
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17:25:28 <|amethyst> Naruni:  go to the spot and &(rock_wall
17:25:35 <|amethyst> Naruni:  or make a vault and load it
17:25:53 <|amethyst> (with &*Lvault_name)
17:26:00 <|amethyst> err, &L*vault_name
17:27:02 <Naruni> ah ok
17:27:10 <Naruni> now how do i remove that wall
17:27:26 <Naruni> digging the only way?
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17:33:38 <Naruni> i suppose i could go through the trouble of passwalling it
17:34:12 <|amethyst> Naruni:  move yourself onto it with x<arrows>m
17:38:51 <enygmata> Prince Ribbit evaporates and reforms as an octopode!
17:38:52 <enygmata> _Prince Ribbit disappears!
17:38:54 <enygmata> what
17:39:09 <enygmata> oh here he comes
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18:10:12 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2946-gf94d332: Add a new "ORDER:" map header for sorting game-mode maps. 10(61 minutes ago, 9 files, 41+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f94d332ad4a3
18:10:12 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2947-g4047cdc: Add ORDER: headers to sprint/zotdef/tutorial maps (#7383) 10(16 minutes ago, 15 files, 19+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4047cdca5ff3
18:10:12 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2948-g7837b11: Regenerate prebuilt yaccage. 10(11 minutes ago, 3 files, 1994+ 1904-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7837b113668f
18:16:20 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2948-g7837b11 (34)
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18:24:19 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2949-g26c9fab: Document ORDER: 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26c9fab5300f
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20:14:43 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2950-g21535cf: Allow food acquirement to give ambrosia 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=21535cf67085
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20:17:36 <Naruni> ??book of ice
20:17:36 <Henzell> book of ice[1/1]: Spells: Freezing Aura, Ensorcelled Hibernation, Condensation Shield, Ozocubu's Refrigeration, Bolt of Cold, Freezing Cloud, Simulacrum, Metabolic Englaciation
20:17:53 <kilobyte> |amethyst: you don't need to invalidate the cache: no old des files can possibly have an ORDER statement, so adding one causes a rebuild of that particular file anyway
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20:18:58 <kilobyte> and new cache won't confuse older binaries (in case of a downgrade) as the minor tag is newer than what they can support
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20:21:40 <dpeg> !seen bh
20:21:40 <Henzell> I last saw bh at Thu Sep  5 02:28:49 2013 UTC (22h 52m 51s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Page closed'.
20:21:43 <dpeg> grrr
20:22:26 <Zannick> need something from bh?
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20:27:13 <dpeg> Zannick: yes, the latest version of his YASD collection
20:27:25 <Zannick> ah, heh :)
20:27:27 <dpeg> jpeg visits me tomorrow and I would like to how it to her :)
20:29:38 <Zannick> he's not online over here; you have about as much chance of reaching him over irc as i do :/
20:29:46 <Zannick> gotta run now; good luck!
20:30:18 <dpeg> thanks!
20:30:54 <kilobyte> !tell
20:34:31 <dpeg> kilobyte: what was the spell for which you coded these cool little brainless fleshy things wandering about?
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2951-g842f435: Let Primal Wave deal extra damage to fire-based monsters as well. 10(24 hours ago, 4 files, 27+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=842f4359e8e7
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2952-g915479f: Descs for a lot of monster spells. 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 142+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=915479f0687f
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2953-g6a7101f: Remove an unused spell "Frenzy". 10(17 hours ago, 4 files, 10+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a7101f842d4
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2954-g31530a2: Drop the pretense that the damage on monster IOOD tracers is real. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31530a2d3213
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2955-gb379467: Require orb spiders to charge the orb before using. 10(8 hours ago, 5 files, 23+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b379467d0479
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2956-g5af94b2: Describe "Cantrip". 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 9+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5af94b2ffb31
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2957-gc88c1bb: Rename Acid Splash to Spit Acid. 10(6 hours ago, 6 files, 11+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c88c1bbf66fe
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2958-gfa2c9bc: Don't list a part of monster spells as tileless. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 28-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa2c9bc391d1
20:35:24 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2959-g84c9098: Don't forbid using the Sword of Cerebov for good god worshippers. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84c9098b2651
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20:36:25 <kilobyte> I only proposed the change, someone else actually coded it
20:36:36 <dpeg> Summon horrible things?
20:37:08 <dpeg> and they merge when nearby?
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20:38:01 <ogaz> isn't it twisted res?
20:38:11 <kilobyte> yeah, twisted res
20:38:12 <dpeg> right!
20:38:16 <dpeg> does it still exist?
20:38:53 <dpeg> it does, thank Trog, I was completely out of my mind :)
20:41:53 <MarvinPA> why wouldn't the sword of cerebov be evil
20:42:03 <MarvinPA> there's nothing evil about demon weapons other than that they're demon weapons
20:42:16 <MarvinPA> sword of cerebov seems like an identical case
20:42:58 <kilobyte> has no demonic theme, no demonic power, etc
20:43:19 <MarvinPA> i think "the weapon of an incredibly powerful demon lord" is a pretty demonic theme
20:43:23 <ogaz> asmo's sceptre summons demons and dispaters staff hellfires
20:43:55 <kilobyte> if you feel strongly, feel free to revert
20:44:05 <kilobyte> I just don't see any reason to
20:44:08 <dpeg> MarvinPA: I have nothing to do with the decision, but this one can probably be argued either way (i.e. bikeshed).
20:44:14 <ogaz> otoh, if you can actually kill cerebov, are you actually going to use his sword?
20:44:17 <dpeg> Alternatively: come up with a properly demonic power :)
20:44:43 <dpeg> couldn't we slap one of the DS powers onto the sword?
20:45:00 <dpeg> powered by foo, or the guardian?
20:45:17 <SwissStopwatch> the sword as-is feels close to being a hellfire sword but it isn't actually
20:45:23 <kilobyte> ogaz: I once killed Antaeus with it, but it actually is worse than a regular great sword of flame there as vulnerability doesn't stack
20:45:43 <MarvinPA> ignite blood would be a demonic-fire-themed sort of thing i suppose?
20:45:51 <dpeg> MarvinPA: sounds good, yeah
20:46:12 <kilobyte> SwissStopwatch: Cerebov's realm has no hellfire at all
20:46:26 <MarvinPA> might also be worth tweaking its stats a bit if it's getting changed to make it a little more attractive (since as kilobyte pointed out in ##crawl, it already has a custom base type)
20:46:39 <SwissStopwatch> yeah, it doesn't, it's just weirdly close
20:47:21 <kilobyte> MarvinPA: ignite blood would require fire cloud immunity like other parts of DS fire facet provides
20:47:36 <MarvinPA> ah yeah true
20:48:19 <dpeg> kilobyte: is it too strong together?
20:48:22 <MarvinPA> although maybe that'd be fine? not like fire clouds are going to be a big deal by that point in the game
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20:48:40 <dpeg> yes
20:48:48 <MarvinPA> (there also isn't much blood other than the player's, it'd be more of a flavour thing i imagine)
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20:49:32 <dpeg> I was suggesting this more for flavour, indeed
20:53:53 <dpeg> sleeptime, later
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21:11:33 <ontoclasm> kilobyte: there's a typo in the cantrip desc
21:11:38 <ontoclasm> "no need or fear of these"
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21:20:10 <gammafunk> Has anyone had a chance to try out jump attack?  I know it's no priority for the 0.13 release, but thoughts on the design are important before I try to start fixing things
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21:20:34 <gammafunk> I ascended a KoHu on dcss-jump yesterday, sadly didn't get to jump-stab an oof
21:20:57 <gammafunk> Althought I did do that to a hell sentinal at d:1 on the orb run
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21:30:38 <Grunt> !lm * orb lg:place=D:1 lg:ckiller=Hell_Sentinel
21:30:38 <Sequell> 2. [2013-01-26 05:27:32] kunwon1 the Minotaur Barricade (L27 MiFi) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
21:30:41 <Grunt> !lm * orb lg:place=D:1 lg:ckiller=Hell_Sentinel -game
21:30:42 <Sequell> kunwon1:cszo:20130025223125S. kunwon1 the Minotaur Barricade (L27 MiFi), worshipper of Trog, blasted by a Hell Sentinel (blast of hellfire) on D:1 on 2013-01-26 05:42:28, with 689353 points after 92563 turns and 5:55:12.
21:30:55 <Grunt> !lm * orb lg:place=D:1 ktyp!=winning s=ckiller
21:30:58 <Sequell> 3 milestones for * (orb lg:place=D:1 ktyp!=winning): 2x a Hell Sentinel, an Ice Fiend
21:31:04 <Grunt> OOH
21:31:04 <Grunt> A third!
21:31:10 <Grunt> !lm * orb lg:place=D:1 ktyp!=winning -game
21:31:13 <Sequell> ophanim:cszo:20130505151242S. ophanim the Swordmaster (L27 LOFi), worshipper of Jiyva, annihilated by an Ice Fiend (led by Wafenev) on D:1 on 2013-06-07 01:22:52, with 887240 points after 122671 turns and 6:12:09.
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21:31:37 <Grunt> !lm * orb ktyp!=winning s=ckiller
21:31:38 <Sequell> 582 milestones for * (orb ktyp!=winning): 107x an Orb Guardian, 87x a pandemonium lord, 32x an orb of fire, 28x a Hell Sentinel, 24x a hellion, 16x a draconian, 16x an ancient lich, 14x an Executioner, 12x a Shadow Fiend, 12x an electric golem, 10x an Ice Fiend, 10x a storm dragon, 9x a Balrug, 9x leaving, 9x a Fiend, 8x a lich, 7x a Pit Fiend, 7x a tentacled monstrosity, 7x a smoke demon, 6x lava...
21:31:39 <Grunt> ...
21:31:44 <Grunt> Why am I doing this on the dev channel?
21:31:45 <Grunt> Sorry.
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22:08:16 <bh> There's a bug with Vehumet and the order of MP costing :\
22:08:43 <bh> mp costs are incurred after a spell triggers, so if you kill something while at max MP you don't get MP back
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22:24:07 <jbud> Hey guys, I'm playing dcrawl on Linux, and the game just froze. I'm quite sure my character should still be alive, however when I open a new instance of dungeon crawl I can't see my character
22:24:37 <jbud> I still have the original instance opened in its frozen state, would that be whats blocking the save?
22:25:00 <ontoclasm> yeah, probably
22:25:11 <ontoclasm> close that and most likely you'll load at the start of the floor you were on
22:25:23 <jbud> I really don't want to lose this guy, he's quite far right now
22:25:44 <jbud> If I close and it doesn't work out, can I just find my savefile from some previous state and load from that again?
22:25:44 <ontoclasm> well, i guess you could back up your save, but it's probabl unnecessary
22:25:55 <ontoclasm> that's exactly what it does
22:26:01 <ontoclasm> the game saves every time you take stairs
22:26:12 <ontoclasm> so if you crash, you load back there
22:26:18 <jbud> Awesome, 1 sec
22:26:26 <ontoclasm> barring some horrible bug that overwrites your save somehow
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22:27:24 <jbud> ontoclasm: You were right, it worked out just fine and I'm back on the stairs :) Thanks!
22:27:35 <ontoclasm> no problem
22:27:50 <ontoclasm> if you can figure out what caused the crash, let us know so we can try and fix it
22:27:53 <ontoclasm> hah
22:28:24 <jbud> Man I'd love to help out, but I really couldn't guess what caused it. It was against some lighting statues, but I'm sure it was due to something else entirely
22:28:49 <jbud> Unless something would be listed in some log files
22:29:11 <ontoclasm> well, there may be a crash dump
22:29:14 <ontoclasm> in your svaes folder
22:29:24 <ontoclasm> (charname).crash or some such
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22:29:42 <ontoclasm> if you find that it might help
22:30:03 <jbud> Nothing with .crash
22:30:11 <ontoclasm> ah well
22:30:23 <jbud> It could have been a Linux thing too anyways
22:30:34 <ontoclasm> possibly
22:31:08 <jbud> Those linux problems happen too often, lol
22:31:12 <jbud> Thanks again!
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23:02:51 <Cheibriados> 03bh02 07* 0.13-a0-2960-g2f00e6d: Take MP before casting spells. 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 36+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f00e6de5b39
23:02:53 <Cheibriados> Vehumet does not give MP if you had max MP at casting time <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538> by brendan
23:07:03 <ontoclasm> uh
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23:07:10 <ontoclasm> okay, this hatch takes me to an island
23:07:20 <ontoclasm> i really don't want to have to teleport every time i take it
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23:07:41 <bh> stop taking the hatch? :)
23:08:11 <ontoclasm> .-.
23:08:29 <ontoclasm> actually it looks like lemuel_river_lethe has multiple places it can strand you
23:08:51 <ontoclasm> and none of them have no_tele_into at all
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23:10:36 <bh> Grunt: I filed the bug so people would know why the heck I wrote the patch... on second thought I could have written a better commit message
23:13:38 <Lantell> Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.12.2-24-gbfbc01a
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23:18:27 <ontoclasm> i... i guess i can actually fix this myself >.>
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23:19:02 <ontoclasm> i feel really weird messing with things that aren't tiles
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23:19:44 <SamB> I think I added a tile once
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23:21:11 <Naruni> do any of you guys develop on code::blocks?
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23:22:26 <Naruni> im trying to figure out how to open my source as a project, so i can have all the interconnection between files
23:22:37 <Naruni> should i open the makefile as a project?
23:23:33 <SamB> I doubt that will work
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23:24:26 <Naruni> yeah that didnt work
23:24:48 <Naruni> theres some msvc proj files in MSVC, i dont know if linux & code::blocks would work that correctly
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23:44:13 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2960-g2f00e6d (34)
23:51:56 <ontoclasm> http://pastie.org/8302238
23:52:02 <ontoclasm> y/n
23:55:15 <Cheibriados> 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.13-a0-2961-g081699f: Add some hatches to lemuel_river_lethe 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=081699f43a1b
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23:56:21 <gammafunk> ontoclasm: Do you have any new tile projects in the works?
23:56:51 <SamB> he's, uh, gonna replace all our tiles with SVGs
23:56:52 <ontoclasm> well, shoals tiles aren't "new" at this point
23:57:03 <ontoclasm> SamB: horror of horrors
23:57:22 <ontoclasm> so, not really at the moment
23:57:54 <ontoclasm> i've been busy; i got a teaching job with 4 classes a semester and thus have less time to draw stuff :D
23:58:29 <ontoclasm> if/when i get time i want to start revamping the player doll base tiles a bit
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