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wouldn't be an issue 08:15:58 yes, that's what I mean 08:16:32 no need to restart the numbering, just a little cosmetic change :P 08:17:07 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:28 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:21:44 03BlackSheep02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-2863-g2b775c0: Add toggle to filter useless items from search results 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 107+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b775c0f2f68 08:21:44 03BlackSheep02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-2864-g8398dde: Variable width menu title for stash search results 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8398dde4d467 08:21:44 03BlackSheep02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.13-a0-2865-g7a3ef1b: Restore match count to search results and move toggle status into help text 10(20 hours ago, 2 files, 19+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a3ef1bae7bf 08:21:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2866-g14ff9bd: Fix whitespace. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=14ff9bd6f769 08:21:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2867-g3e1dcb8: Fix alignment of stash search header, cut two spaces. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e1dcb8e35f8 08:22:34 <|amethyst> That's not perfect, since it's not clear that the string indicates the current mode rather than the mode that would be changed to 08:23:31 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 08:23:42 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:56 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Client Quit] 08:27:29 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:52 -!- slifty has quit [Client Quit] 08:35:50 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:37:49 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:33 how do i create a monster instance? just "new" it and set base_monster? 08:40:36 <|amethyst> fmul: for what purpose? 08:41:17 <|amethyst> fmul: real monsters (as opposed to fake ones created for some temporary purpose) are almost always stored in a global array, usually env.mons 08:41:18 im trying to dump monster data, and i'm getting segfaults for dancing weapons because it's inventory is empty 08:42:25 <|amethyst> how does creating a new monster instance help that? 08:43:47 <|amethyst> usually to create a real monster you'd use make an mgen_data with information like type, attitude, position, etc, then call create_monster with that 08:44:05 _tileidx_monster_no_props() returns the tileidx for mon.inv[MSLOT_WEAPON] 08:44:17 but since its empty the expression returns a null reference 08:44:45 <|amethyst> dancing weapons are supposed to have a weapon in their inventory 08:44:52 yes 08:44:52 <|amethyst> that's how the game knows what kind of weapon they are 08:45:03 -!- hayuto has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:46:04 yeah, but i'm not getting the data through conventional ways, i guess 08:46:39 anyway i only have trouble when i try to get the monster tile for now 08:47:10 <|amethyst> I'm not seeing a crash 08:47:24 -!- slifty has quit [Client Quit] 08:47:27 <|amethyst> you're making a copy of the monster and querying that? 08:47:35 no, don't worry. its not a problem with the game. i must be forgetting to initialize/call something 08:48:32 <|amethyst> fmul: see cast_tukimas_dance 08:48:48 <|amethyst> fmul: you need to set mg.props[TUKIMA_WEAPON] in the mgen_data before you call create_monster 08:48:52 <|amethyst> probably also TUKIMA_POWER 08:49:09 |amethyst: i'm making a program to dump internal game data (skills, objects, monsters etc) to json 08:50:47 <|amethyst> if you are copying the monster you'd need to copy its equipment too 08:50:55 <|amethyst> but probably you shouldn't be copying the monster 08:51:18 <|amethyst> and if this data is intended for players, you should be using a monster_info instead of a monster anyway 08:51:39 yeah i got a monsterentry and monster_info 08:59:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:49 <|amethyst> Zin doesn't hate hogs does he? 09:09:03 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:54 -!- Zermako has quit [] 09:13:45 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 09:16:13 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:29 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:23 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:22:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2868-gfb593ba: Monster spell description improvements. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 14+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb593baf31e4 09:23:24 <|amethyst> (he does not, but maybe he should) 09:24:31 <|amethyst> Zin's dietary restrictions aren't abrahamic enough :) 09:25:51 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:23 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29:21 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:33:56 penance for chasing the beef jerky with a cheese 09:35:06 <|amethyst> http://www.cs.uky.edu/~raphael/yiddish/homent.html 09:41:34 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:17 |amethyst: http://imgur.com/a/FC9GU this is what i'm making. 09:43:13 <|amethyst> ah, nice 09:44:00 <|amethyst> now I understand better what you're doing 09:44:05 <|amethyst> have you looked at the 'monster' code? 09:45:44 <|amethyst> if this isn't built into the game (i.e. doesn't allow querying *this specific* monster) then giving spoilers is probably okay 09:45:55 <|amethyst> s/i.e./and in particular/ 09:45:56 not in detail. i can render all tiles but mimics, dancing and spectrals 09:46:28 <|amethyst> you have to give them items 09:46:31 dancing weapon (15() | Spd: 13-19 | HD: 15 | HP: 16-54 | AC/EV: 17/18 | Dam: 36 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 932 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 09:46:31 <|amethyst> %??dancing weapon 09:46:32 -!- bonghander has quit [Quit: Goodbye, World] 09:46:36 <|amethyst> hm 09:46:41 spectral weapon (06() | Spd: 30 | HD: 27 | HP: 43-44 | AC/EV: 12/20 | Dam: 31 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 4074 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 09:46:41 <|amethyst> %??spectral weapon 09:46:50 ASSERT(m->inv[MSLOT_MISCELLANY] != NON_ITEM) in 'mon-info.cc' at line 558 failed. 09:46:50 <|amethyst> %??item mimic 09:47:00 <|amethyst> hm 09:47:30 Monster 'item mimic' can't use items. 09:47:30 %??item mimic ; scroll of vorpalise weapon 09:47:36 bah 09:47:44 <|amethyst> yeah :( 09:49:18 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49:26 fmul: also, rltiles/UNUSED/gods/ 09:50:07 not sure whether those should be made official or suppressed 09:50:32 (obviously as worshippers' imagination, as gods are not supposed to have a physical form) 09:51:00 http://i.imgur.com/cGO39.png 09:59:54 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01:03 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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become statues but with colors? like, you become a champion of okawaru and suddenly an okawaru statue appears and theres a gift in front of it 10:46:23 a mail slot opens in a wall 10:46:51 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:47:03 "The divine experience leaves you confused" 10:47:08 ahhaha 10:47:10 "You have a package from Okawaru. Please visit the package office to retrieve your item." 10:48:10 "A mail slot opens in the wall! You have no mail. Xom roars with laughter!" 10:48:25 LOL 10:48:29 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2869-gc3007db: Don't claim monster-only spells are found in "the following rod:" 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3007db5a1db 10:50:17 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:00:49 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:03:09 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:33 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:24 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:29 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:13 kilobyte, what do you think of releasing 0.13 as 13.0? 11:08:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2870-gb1be29d: Make shadows get hurt extra by Sunray. 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1be29d7e246 11:08:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2871-gf95f370: Let db_lint check abilities. 10(15 hours ago, 2 files, 17+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f95f3702a4a7 11:08:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2872-g178aa9f: Use same caps in abl-show as for descs, axe an obsolete description. 10(15 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=178aa9f341fc 11:08:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2873-g898b426: Purge removed ZotDef teleport traps. 10(15 hours ago, 4 files, 3+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=898b426e3f14 11:08:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2874-g7239bd2: Let dbg_scan look for missing constrictors. 10(68 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7239bd2f8cca 11:09:59 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:10:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2875-g962e9e2: Slightly colour-code spells in ?/S 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 29+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=962e9e297122 11:10:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2876-g803ca19: Don't include enchantment/charge in ?/S rod names. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=803ca199b922 11:10:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2877-g87f3891: Update sunray description. 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87f3891fcf87 11:11:30 3.11 crawl for workgroups 11:20:35 Honestly it just seems weird to jump from 0.12 to 13.0 11:21:21 it wouldn't be a jump, as such, it'd just drop the "0." that has become rather meaningless 11:21:22 Because where's 1-12.0 11:21:42 <|amethyst> Bloax: the same place as Java 4 11:21:44 well, I think it would be more confusing to restart the versioning 11:22:02 also, people expect a 1.0 to be special. We would avoid that nicely by having no 1.0. 11:22:10 <|amethyst> or Solaris 6 11:25:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:43 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:19 Well there's forest, a big change to experience gain, two-three new races, a change to monster draining, an armour penatly overhaul and doubled stat effects on melee combat. 11:26:35 and a lot of other more minor stuff 11:26:55 similar changes have characterized all recent releases 11:26:58 which is how the 0. became meaningless 11:27:06 yes 11:27:47 <|amethyst> how about we split the difference and call it 1.3 ? :) 11:27:47 thus you could mark 1.0 at some far 0.13 future so as to avoid versioning issues 11:27:54 I thought about that too. 11:28:05 Which seems like a somewhat okay-ish solution. 11:28:12 as far as I understand, Forest is not targetted at 0.13, neither LO nor Dj are considered ready, armour penalty needs rebalancing or perhaps even reverting badly as it made heavy armour worthless, etc 11:28:21 (Certainly less awkward than jumping straight from 0.12 to 13.0) 11:28:27 Bloax, that's the thing though, 1.0 will never appear in this development model 11:28:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I've not seen any comments about the heavy armour thing 11:28:46 Needs reverting? 11:28:47 our "minor" releases are really major releases, and it would be only fair to reflect that in the versioning 11:28:52 It's great. 11:29:09 heavy armour can actually be useful if you're strong enough 11:29:15 |amethyst: it was discussed only a couple of times: you're worse off in GDA/CPA than in ordinary plate even despite the massive skill+stat investment 11:29:44 hm 11:29:46 you don plate, redirect some skill towards dodging rather than armour, and here you go 11:29:47 <|amethyst> so it sounds like those two armours need tweaking? 11:29:50 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:19 http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Bloax/morgue-Bloax-20130807-050133.txt 11:30:27 I'm not sure this guy would be better off in plate. 11:30:34 But then again, it's arenasprint. 11:30:40 <|amethyst> and chei 11:30:54 <|amethyst> 50 str is not feasible for most armour-wearing characters without chei 11:31:04 CPA/GDA pretty much is Chei area. 11:31:24 Unless you nerf their astonishing weight. 11:31:38 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:33:12 GDA/CPA can work for any high str species. I'm not saying it's always (or even often) the best armour choice, but Chei is no requirement for those 11:34:08 <|amethyst> I really don't have a problem with CPA being usually not the right choice 11:34:56 The annoying part of that is that CPA is pretty much the rarest kind of armor. 11:35:02 gammafunk: have you tried armour vs armour+dodging combinations that sum up to the same xp cost? 11:35:26 Though PDA might be even more so, but that one is actually amazingly good. 11:35:34 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:59 if you get both at 27, and have a great strength, CPA manages to win. For regular characters, though, it's a no-brainer. 11:37:01 kilobyte: when you say armour (without dodging), does this include use of a shield? 11:37:23 <|amethyst> Is it surprising that L16 armour + L16 dodging is better than L18 armour? 11:37:45 also, you can get plate from 50% orc warriors, and it can get a brand too 11:38:06 <|amethyst> kilobyte: rename vorpalise weapon to branding and let it apply to armour :) 11:38:21 |amethyst: no, but it is surprising that a rare endgame armour is worse with that 16 armour+16 dodging than something you get on D:4 11:38:35 |amethyst: :p 11:39:16 <|amethyst> so maybe CPA's encumbrance penalty should be decreased somewhat 11:39:34 <|amethyst> I think it should be higher than plain plate, though with the rarity difference maybe it doesn't need to be that much higher 11:39:45 yeah, crystal seems….pretty light 11:39:53 100% science speaking right there 11:39:55 GDA, SDA, ... 11:40:01 <|amethyst> gammafunk: well, it's less flexible 11:40:15 encumbrance isn't just weight 11:40:23 <|amethyst> kilobyte: what about SDA? It's ligher than plate 11:40:29 oh, we have to make it all complicated 11:40:35 SDA is pretty good. 11:40:36 <|amethyst> s/ligher/lower enumbrance/ 11:40:45 Bloax: I mean storm not steam 11:40:49 Unfortunately its rElec is very niche. 11:40:50 I know. 11:41:30 And if we're talking 'normal' games, then FDA is more preferrable for the inevitable OoF fights in Zot. 11:43:25 yeah, SDA is not well-liked. It probably also needs an encumbrance reduction or some other gimmick to make it a bit more desirable 11:43:45 <|amethyst> could give it the same encumbrance as chain mail (-15 instead of -17) 11:44:11 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:44:18 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:19 <|amethyst> since ice/fire/pearl match scale mail 11:44:53 ??storm_dragon_armour 11:44:53 storm dragon armour[1/1]: A magical armour made from the scales of a lightning-breathing dragon. It is heavier than most dragon scale armours, but gives its wearer great resistance to electrical discharges. (AC 10, EV -5, insulation, 60.0 aum.) 11:46:18 might be better to revisit the formula, since this is common to all armours with high encumbrance 11:46:58 It's either the formula or that there's a general lack of stats in non-Chei games. 11:47:16 <|amethyst> Bloax: amounts to the same thing 11:47:57 -!- flatlander-woman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:48:06 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so chain is better than plate? 11:49:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:53 huh 11:54:08 All SDA has coming to it is rElec and 2 less encumbrance rating than plate. 11:56:37 |amethyst: not sure, I'd need some fsim runs 11:56:38 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:56:44 it's mostly about "for whom" 11:57:18 <|amethyst> It should be better for some people 11:58:43 depends on where the sweet spot is 12:00:40 <|amethyst> it might be enough to make the AEVPs of the larger armours closer together 12:00:43 <|amethyst> err 12:00:51 <|amethyst> s/AEVP/encumbrance/ 12:01:35 <|amethyst> since the EV penalty is based on encumbrance^2, large numbers don't have to be as far apart as small ones 12:01:39 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:02 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:29 -!- omniguy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:09:08 encumbrance^2 ... that's the problem 12:09:14 it used to go linear with it 12:09:27 <|amethyst> linear once you hit the breakpoint 12:10:19 <|amethyst> err, 12:10:34 <|amethyst> ignore me :) 12:11:49 <|amethyst> did you see the graph? 12:11:50 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:06 I see no quadratic factor in the old formula whatsoever 12:12:08 <|amethyst> http://fooplot.com/plot/w3ix4vctzj 12:12:26 <|amethyst> yeah, old formula was linear then flat 12:16:35 <|amethyst> the important thing is that the effect of strength is now hyperbolic instead of linear-then-flat 12:18:10 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2877-g87f3891 (34) 12:18:14 <|amethyst> base encumbrance isn't a variable so much as a parameter 12:19:28 <|amethyst> making the formula linear on encumbrance vs adjusting the encumbrances is no real difference, except that the former would have bigger numbers (and be more tunable, but maybe harder for players to reason about) 12:19:44 <|amethyst> s/and be/and thus be/ 12:20:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:20:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:44 |amethyst, thanks dude! 12:21:25 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:26 <|amethyst> or maybe easier to reason about 12:23:19 it's not about the exact shape of the formula, it's about the old and new ones being far from each other 12:24:03 there was no old one 12:24:49 unless a check for completely fucking you over if your str < aevp*3 is good enough for being called that 12:24:51 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:46 Bloax: that was bad, yeah, but resulted in that number being effectively a hard limit 12:26:05 Bloax: so you can assume everyone had enough str to meet the armour's requirements 12:26:07 Which is why they're so far from eachother. 12:26:59 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:29:22 <|amethyst> so the problem is that plate keeps getting better with more str? 12:30:24 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:52 <|amethyst> or at least that the curves for different armours don't converge fast enough? 12:32:16 what do curves on the plot you linked to mean? 12:32:28 <|amethyst> kilobyte: X axis is strength, Y axis is AEVP 12:32:30 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:43 <|amethyst> kilobyte: light colours are old formula, darker new formula 12:33:31 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so the top yellow (hard to see) / orange lines are GDA, the next ones down CPA; the blue are plate and chain; and so on 12:33:47 there are no skills in the graph 12:33:55 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:57 <|amethyst> what do skills have to do with anything? 12:34:02 those plots make the new formula look generous, if anything 12:34:02 <|amethyst> skills don't affect AEVP 12:34:13 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:34:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:34:55 <|amethyst> or do they still? 12:35:29 <|amethyst> oh, still does 12:35:30 they do 12:35:33 <|amethyst> exactly the same way as before 12:35:48 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:56 <|amethyst> multiply by (45 - skill)/45 12:36:50 that's not everything that changed, at least according to fsim 12:39:15 <|amethyst> what I meant by "plate keeps getting better": in the old system, between 18 and 24 str, CPA goes from being much worse than plate to being somewhat worse; then after that the distance stays constant 12:39:32 <|amethyst> in the new system, the separation between the curves decreases only gradually 12:40:11 <|amethyst> though now that I look at it, the separation isn't very much wider than the old separation 12:41:04 <|amethyst> since the numbers from encumbrance/strength are smaller at high strength, skill has less of an absolute effect 12:41:07 <|amethyst> at high str 12:41:33 so this is not where the problem is 12:42:22 <|amethyst> what strengths are you doing your fsim testing with? 12:42:51 <|amethyst> (IWBNI &F had an option to scale strength/dex rather than skill) 12:51:03 hrm, failing disk, had to switch to the phone + a remote server 12:51:09 fsim seems to be crashing: 12:51:13 ASSERT(menv[idx].mid == mc->first) in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 477 failed. 12:52:14 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:54:18 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 12:59:11 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:02 <|amethyst> kilobyte: what kind of monster? 13:08:00 http://sprunge.us/BiTW 13:09:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:22:24 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:55 <|amethyst> hm, let me try a fulldebug build 13:28:04 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:28:54 speaking of fsim, I didn't bother bugreporting this when I found it but 13:29:09 Is it intended that fsimming a demon weapon while worshipping a good god excommunicates you 13:29:17 <|amethyst> kilobyte: did you create a new stone giant or copying an existing one 13:29:19 (without a message, of course) 13:29:31 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:29:40 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: not exactly intended, but a lot of things aren't reset 13:29:59 <|amethyst> SwissStopwatch: mostly we just prevent death 13:30:12 I would understand if it's not a priority to fix, can just reworship and reset piety 13:30:15 <|amethyst> and make the monster's equipment disappear when it dies 13:30:20 but it's kind of funny and weird 13:31:37 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:46 "a feature" 13:33:26 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:18 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I wasn't able to reproduce with a debug build from a couple of days ago 13:35:41 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:36:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte: then again, I wasn't worshipping xom 13:44:26 -!- valtern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:06 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:10 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:26 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:55:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:04:05 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:06:51 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:06:55 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:08:40 -!- RiotInferno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:09:43 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:20:50 so I tried adding a monster tile, but the game isn't displaying the weapon tile it's wielding 14:21:03 is there something I need to add to get it to show weapon? 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16:03:32 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:04:03 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:27 <|amethyst> no need to delete it, but you can if you want (you need -D not just -d because the commit in the repo has a different hash) 16:06:55 <|amethyst> I tend not to delete my local branches until 'git branch' is too long for me to read :) 16:07:32 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:13:26 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:16:45 -!- Soner has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:07 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:52 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:15 could someone with commit access apply these patches to dwants branch? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pdy8rdcT 16:21:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:22:49 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:11 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:23:15 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1584-g0f4a723: Increase digging loudness. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f4a723449ff 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1585-g1fedd61: Lessen the noise of self-shaft. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1fedd61ece7a 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1586-gacff605: Mention that shafting takes turns when being used. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acff6051fd36 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1587-ga43c2ad: Mention that Formicids can wield 2h with shield. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a43c2ad78f90 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1588-gcf7f88e: Imporve formicid ability descriptions. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf7f88e15e97 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1589-gf54b9d3: Give SPELL_DIG to orc sorcerers. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f54b9d3befec 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1590-g588dc4c: Add a formicid monster vault. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 32+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=588dc4c0cfb1 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1591-g7b4c43a: Add some placeholder formicid tiles. 10(2 hours ago, 6 files, 14+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b4c43a7361f 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1592-g5f151d0: Remove the delay of formicids removing helmet. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f151d035007 16:25:16 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[dwants] * 0.13-a0-1593-gb722056: Display message when removing helmets as Formicid. 10(86 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b722056c4f73 16:25:16 ... and 3 more commits 16:26:16 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:26:22 <|amethyst> I disagree with the orc sorceror change 16:27:05 <|amethyst> no only because they didn't need digging against other races, but also because it means they won't usually cast animate dead 16:28:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:01 Experimental (dwants) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1596-g1e224d6 16:31:36 -!- antrees has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:32:41 because now animate dead is in their escape slot? 16:35:05 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:43 |amethyst: thanks for applying those. 16:38:00 and yeah, orc sorcerer change is pretty stupid, but I thought it would be worth testing in my little sandbox 16:41:07 -!- enygmata has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:05 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:44:21 do they ever use it correctly? 16:46:09 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:55 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:34 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2878-gd272530: Extend descs of sceptres of Dispater and Asmodeus. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d272530a877a 16:55:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:38 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2879-gb70df63: Hush a warning. 10(43 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b70df63a4c98 16:56:11 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 16:58:34 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:59:21 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:00:08 -!- duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:01:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:49 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 17:02:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:47 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:08:02 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:08:46 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:11:26 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:13:21 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:27 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:22 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:53 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2880-g0e1e598: Fix a crash if the player constricts anyone. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e1e598127f8 17:16:03 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:17:23 -!- flatlander-woman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:20:58 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:38 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:14 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:56 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, oops, I hadn't noticed that was in an #ifdef 17:30:16 |amethyst: no harm other than some warning spam 17:30:24 <|amethyst> well 17:30:35 <|amethyst> the colours should be in the console version :) 17:30:59 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2881-g87ccdbe: Improve wording. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87ccdbe446ab 17:32:26 -!- Gotham has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:37 <|amethyst> I didn't notice because my "console" builds are webtiles 17:32:43 <|amethyst> testing a fix 17:33:24 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:37 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35:39 I kind of wonder, should I even write descs? 17:35:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte: yes please :) 17:35:53 waiting for a native speaker would save you some work 17:36:32 <|amethyst> eh, editing isn't a problem 17:36:44 <|amethyst> the creativity is the hard part 17:38:27 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2882-gbb2017b: Enable ?/S menu colours in console (oops) 10(65 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb2017b97b8c 17:38:29 Depends on the restrictions. 17:39:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I am highly experienced in correcting the English prose of native Polish speakers :) 17:40:14 heh 17:40:37 <|amethyst> well, mostly one native Polish speaker, but he has me proofread nearly everything important he writes 17:41:24 Unholy flames it evokes 17:41:24 +may cost a part of your life and your soul, but since when such details 17:41:24 +stopped anyone in the quest for power? 17:41:54 but since when have such minor details ever stopped anyone in their quest for glory? 17:42:17 <|amethyst> I don't like "glory" there 17:42:35 well you'd technically be right 17:42:50 i doubt commiting mass genocide would yield much 17:42:51 `power` seems right to me there 17:43:28 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:43:59 either way, i should probably go crash now 17:44:03 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 17:44:17 <|amethyst> oh, I think Hitler was after glory; but Faust was after power 17:44:36 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:48:21 <|amethyst> oh webster 1913, what a simpler time you lived in 17:48:28 <|amethyst> {Glory hole}, an opening in the wall of a glass furnace, 17:48:29 <|amethyst> exposing the brilliant white light of the interior. 17:48:47 <|amethyst> TIL 17:50:15 ... 17:51:31 on the other hand, people with no contact with 4chan tend to have their minds yet unwarped 17:52:06 the depravity can go through multiple indirect layers, though 17:52:40 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:55:01 <|amethyst> I must be utterly corrupt, because I knew the other meaning well before 4chan existed :/ 17:56:43 pretty sure the other meaning existed in 1913, and even earlier... they just would never put such a thing into a dictionary 17:57:54 -!- whiterider has quit [Quit: Ragequit.] 17:59:10 <|amethyst> First occurence in print was the 1940s, but of course the concept existed before then 18:00:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:01:12 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:01:20 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 18:02:23 -!- NekoRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:33 -!- Senjai has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:37 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 18:17:44 -!- GGG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:29:03 Wrong message when killed by trees. by Sandman25 18:31:49 <|amethyst> hm, where should octopodes and gargoyles fall on the "fooweight champion" scale 18:32:03 <|amethyst> I suspect gargoyles are probably heavier than most creatures their size 18:32:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:33:02 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:34:08 <|amethyst> and octopodes maybe fit with elves and tengu better than humans? 18:35:20 that's just size IIRC 18:35:54 |amethyst: "fuck" isn't even listed! 18:36:16 <|amethyst> kilobyte: no, it's cased per-species 18:36:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte: with "Middle" being the default 18:36:24 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:36:54 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but elves and tengu are "Lightweight" 18:37:02 <|amethyst> I *think* that's the only special case 18:38:08 <|amethyst> well, felids and spriggans are also artificially split, but that's irrelevant because felids 18:38:42 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:55 buppy: i guess this could be brought up. why is swiftness incompatible with formicids? stasis doesnt block swiftness regularly 18:41:46 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:35 -!- duralumin_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:02 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:48:05 -!- punpun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:56 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:04 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59:41 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:00:22 -!- cptwinky has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00:47 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:01:11 <|amethyst> trying to decide among: "Killed from afar by a young spriggan druid ... {who,with,and their} awakened angry trees" 19:04:44 <|amethyst> !lg * kaux~~shatter 19:04:44 206. dead the Slayer (L16 MiFi), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on D:18 on 2013-08-28 06:14:23, with 125616 points after 50508 turns and 3:52:59. 19:05:33 the spell really needs a Durkon quote 19:05:44 <|amethyst> !lg * kaux~~angry 19:05:45 229. Lawman0 the Wrestler (L18 TrCK), worshipper of Xom, blasted by a dryad (angry trees) on Forest:4 on 2013-08-27 19:54:26, with 237209 points after 47223 turns and 3:10:29. 19:07:24 well i have a weird display issue with ^x. this scroll of teleportation's aum is tabbed over so its not really visible on screen 19:10:01 <|amethyst> simmarine: do you have a screenshot? 19:10:13 just logged on cszo right now 19:11:03 <|amethyst> !lg * kaux~~by 19:11:04 175789. Doommonk the Firebug (L3 DjFE), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, blasted by Grinder (nerve-wracking pain) on D:2 on 2013-08-29 00:09:59, with 103 points after 2202 turns and 0:19:23. 19:11:06 <|amethyst> !lg * kaux~~^by 19:11:07 94155. Doommonk the Firebug (L3 DjFE), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, blasted by Grinder (nerve-wracking pain) on D:2 on 2013-08-29 00:09:59, with 103 points after 2202 turns and 0:19:23. 19:11:12 <|amethyst> !lg * kaux~~^by s=kaux 19:11:12 94155 games for * (kaux~~^by): 75955x by divine providence, 15518x by nerve-wracking pain, 1881x by the air, 263x by Ozocubu's Refrigeration, 205x by Shatter, 179x by dispel undead, 126x by drain life, 18x by vampiric draining, 6x by Lee's Rapid Deconstruction, 2x by Olgreb's Toxic Radiance, 2x by the raging water 19:12:09 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:21 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:50 |amethyst: http://i.imgur.com/awJIIH2.png 19:16:27 <|amethyst> simmarine: that's strange 19:17:25 <|amethyst> I wonder why the "?" is in yellow 19:17:31 <|amethyst> the "=" isn't in blue 19:19:09 it's trying to color as if those are in the normal view? 19:19:23 like yellow is the color of the scroll, gray is the color of the ring... 19:19:45 the ? is in yellow beacuse its my rc edidt 19:20:09 <|amethyst> simmarine: recolouring scrolls in general? 19:20:13 i recently decided to color potions and scrolls darkgrey/yellow/cyan depending on what they are 19:20:18 <|amethyst> hmm 19:20:21 <|amethyst> what's the line? 19:20:22 so at a glance i can see if its something valuable or dumb 19:20:25 %rc simm 19:20:26 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/simm.rc 19:20:37 ##### color some useful/useless consumables on the ground 19:20:40 lines after that 19:20:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:19 i wanted to color corpses based on their contam/poison/mutagenic/etc but i havent gotten around to that 19:22:33 https://dobrazupa.org/saves/simm-crawl-git-b62c5ab809-130829-0022.tar.bz2 19:22:34 <- heres the save if youre curious. just load and ^x 19:22:36 oops 19:22:59 i dont think this has happened with other tele scrolls but ill try it with others 19:24:34 "other tele scrolls" 19:24:41 seems to be consistent 19:24:52 infact i can drop this other yellow scroll (fog) and its also tabbed 19:24:56 at least i assume its a tab 19:26:52 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:27:18 are scrolls of fog emergency_items or preferred? 19:27:40 emergency arent they? 19:28:00 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:28:15 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:44 -!- axujen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:05 that's what i figure 19:30:18 do you have useless items/unidentified items that fit the other categories to see if they do the same thing? 19:30:39 hmm i dont think so 19:32:04 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:33:29 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2883-g95eee32: Improve death message from Awaken Forest (#7519) 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95eee32b6d9b 19:37:51 <|amethyst> simmarine: have you seen it anywhere but ctrl-x ? 19:37:54 no 19:37:58 its fine in inventory 19:38:14 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:03 <|amethyst> ahhh 19:43:41 colour_tag_adjustment is probably wrong 19:43:46 <|amethyst> yeah 19:45:29 <|amethyst> I think I can kill two bugs with one stone 19:46:55 it's off by 6...but is it really necessary anymore? 19:47:20 if the colour tags are already in text they should be counted earlier in the function 19:48:13 <|amethyst> they're counted, that's the problem 19:48:16 6 being "yellow".length() 19:48:20 <|amethyst> the adjustment is so that they aren't counterd 19:48:25 <|amethyst> s/r// 19:48:35 <|amethyst> lightgrey = 9 19:48:40 <|amethyst> yellow = 6 19:48:44 <|amethyst> 2*(9 - 6) = 6 19:48:50 <|amethyst> that's why it's off by six 19:48:51 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 19:49:01 <|amethyst> (2* for the opening and closing tags) 19:51:40 sorry, i'm missing something here 19:52:39 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:53:12 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:53:29 the item's color is yellow, so it adds 2*6+5 to the max width of the string before appending the aum 19:54:04 but subtracts the strwidth of the string so far 19:56:14 <|amethyst> item->colour is lightgrey 19:56:30 -!- cptwinky has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:56:38 <|amethyst> the tags were based on get_item_glyph(item) 19:56:47 <|amethyst> which is what checks the override 19:57:23 oh, i see 19:57:59 so the adjustment was assuming the colour name was 3 chars longer than the actual color being used 19:58:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:29 out of curiousity, what's the idea behind plague shamblers? so far their "explode into a cloud of rot" feels annoying rather than dangerous; you just back away a bit and wait for it to go away 19:58:30 <|amethyst> yeah, hence 6 extra spaces 19:58:56 <|amethyst> when I tried it I got a different incorrect spacing because it was a potion so had a different colour from lightgrey 20:02:02 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:03:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:13 -!- tatara has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:06:39 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:08:03 * SamB just sacced his OWN corpse ... feels odd ... 20:10:34 <|amethyst> SamB: if you are a felid of Yred your own corpse should animate 20:10:54 I'm not 20:11:02 <|amethyst> that was a FR: 20:11:07 oh 20:11:23 <|amethyst> since the "real" death message says your body rises as a mindless zombie 20:11:44 <|amethyst> and if you're still worshipping yred I figure you owe em your body just as much 20:12:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2884-gbbf8bdf: Fix misalignment with show_inventory_weights in ctrl-x. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbf8bdff44dc 20:13:54 -!- GGG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:35:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:36:34 -!- Soner has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:40:56 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:32 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:51:47 * SamB contemplates antimagic claws 20:51:49 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 20:52:49 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:56:52 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:06 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:58:42 SamB: You have an audience on CSZO, but there's no show :( 20:59:47 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:05:23 -!- imabunny has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:35 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:40 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:05 -!- Stelpa has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:25 -!- tatara has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:11:07 -!- nooodl has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:11:09 -!- nooodl_ is now known as nooodl 21:11:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:11:18 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:11:32 I got disconnected and then I had to do the recycling 21:12:25 That cursed recycling... 21:13:06 SamB: I found that jump doesn't have the best synergy with Trog 21:13:29 probably because you have to pick berserk OR jump 21:14:27 you can jump then berserk 21:14:31 what gives you jump in that branch, anyway? 21:14:42 well, playing a felid for one 21:14:50 maybe that's the only thing 21:14:57 There are also boots of jumping. 21:15:01 -!- robbje has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:15:02 And there's a jumping mut. 21:15:05 -!- Arkaniad_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:15:33 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:16:08 G-Flex: You can't jump then berserk 21:16:14 both set exhaustion 21:16:27 oh, okay 21:16:42 Yeah you can play any boot wearing species in that branch 21:16:47 and you'll start with boots of jumping 21:16:54 just for testing purposes atm 21:16:55 I've been playing formicids 21:16:57 they're kind of interesting 21:17:12 although oka seems to never want to gift me a bardiche or any other significantly fantastic two-handed polearm 21:17:13 gammafunk: obviously 21:17:36 You get boots! And you get boots! You all get boooots!!! 21:17:54 spriggans get boots 21:17:57 djinn get boots 21:18:02 wait what 21:18:02 worms get boots 21:18:07 WHAT? 21:18:17 giant spores can jump 21:18:20 gah, I hate florida! 21:18:22 SamB: Don't worry, only boot wearing species get them 21:18:33 G-Flex just got caught up in the moment 21:20:24 who has admin privileges for CAO? Is it just greensnark and rax? 21:21:09 |amethyst too right? 21:22:28 basically, cao crashed a little while ago. It's up now, but those of us who were playing when it went down get "Another game is already in progress using this save!" when we try to access our games 21:26:36 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:28:24 also, webtiles appears to be down entirely 21:29:45 * SamB wonders if kilobyte has any access there, or just on cdo 21:30:16 !tell simmarine the question I'm wondering is why swiftness works with stasis in the first place. preventing Fo from learning the spell is technically a bug, but imo it is how the game should be 21:30:17 buppy: OK, I'll let simmarine know. 21:30:29 !messages 21:30:30 (1/1) buppy said (14s ago): the question I'm wondering is why swiftness works with stasis in the first place. preventing Fo from learning the spell is technically a bug, but imo it is how the game should be 21:30:38 i think the idea is that stasis doesnt affect your movement speed? 21:30:48 since spriggans and naga can wear stasis and move at their respective speed or something 21:31:24 just some peculiar blend of "no tloc" and "no berserk" 21:31:25 maybe the flavor is swiftness makes you faster via air or something. i dont really know why its allowed and its a problem with swiftness 21:32:04 swiftness just makes you faster via physical means whereas things like haste affect time or some shit like that 21:32:13 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:32:50 swiftness is obviously magical but it accomplishes it in a physical manner using the surrounding air 21:32:57 swiftness is still magical though, and I am pretty sure stasis blocks the curare slowdown which is physical 21:32:57 if you do @ or whatever it is, it pretty much says that 21:33:00 "aided by the wind" 21:33:09 the curare thing is weird then imo 21:33:18 then thats just a problem with how slow is implemented 21:33:41 never thought about curare + stasis though 21:34:04 I'd rather just have stasis prevent any modification to movement speed outside of mutations 21:34:12 would simplify the rules quite a bit 21:34:16 -!- flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:34:22 it made sense enough to me 21:34:28 aside from curare I guess 21:34:36 buppy: but still -tele as well? 21:34:45 probably also want to not have it affect chei 21:34:50 gammafunk: yes -tele and rParalyze 21:35:12 but then there's things like lugonu blink and okawaru finesse :S 21:35:21 the first works but the second doesn't 21:35:30 and chei movement slowing obviously works through stasis 21:35:36 clearly because the first is god gifted! oh...... 21:36:06 stasis is the most arbitrary thing ever 21:36:31 finesse doesn't work on formicids 21:36:33 for what it's worth 21:36:36 stasis was added because someone wanted to replace the amulet of rSlow 21:36:41 stasis blocks finesse so thats normal 21:36:47 I thought it would, because I thought it was just like... divine skill-boosting making you super nimble 21:36:56 as opposed to a haste-like thing 21:37:01 but yes, besides lugonu tloc you also have trog giving dd regen 21:37:06 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:37:46 SamB: I found jump doesn't have the best synergy with trog, since exhaustion 21:37:55 gammafunk: yeah, I got that 21:38:00 I've had success with FeTm, but that's hardly easier 21:38:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:39:10 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:39:41 SamB: Yeah, you have to train evoke a bit before you can even use it for non-Fe 21:40:28 !apt te 21:40:29 Te: Fighting: 0, Short: 1, Long: 1, Axes: 1, Maces: 1, Polearms: 1, Staves: 1, Slings: 0, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 1, Armour: 1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 1, Stab: 1, Shields: 0, Traps: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: 3!, Hexes: -3, Charms: -2, Summ: 2!, Nec: 1, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -2, Fire: 1, Ice: -1, Air: 3!, Earth: -3*, Poison: 0, Inv: -1*, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 1 21:40:48 does jump work if you're flying 21:40:55 yeah it does 21:40:56 wouldn't that be more of a... dive? 21:41:03 rocket shoes 21:41:05 at first I disallowed that 21:41:12 just rename "boots of jumping" to "jump jets" 21:41:14 but everyone said it doesn't make all that much sense 21:41:29 rocket shoes? 21:41:47 if roadrunner cartoons taught me anything, what those should be is evokable haste 21:41:48 G-Flex: yes, that's exactly how they work ;-) 21:42:11 see discussion some months back 21:42:14 ogaz: or if you've played system shock 21:42:35 I have not actually played system shock, though I keep meaning to 21:44:41 you can install these shoe-skate things 21:44:55 in one mode they're just passive and work as skates so you go faster while moving forward and get fatigued less 21:45:05 in the other mode they rocket you forward constantly at a slightly worrying pace 21:45:14 sounds pretty amusing 21:45:22 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2884-gbbf8bdf 21:45:41 G-Flex: sounds like they aren't fast enough! 21:46:46 huh, gargoyles eat flesh now huh 21:47:09 SamB: They sprinkle some rock salt on it first 21:47:24 I would expect potions to be more their speed ;-) 21:47:30 (for the glass) 21:47:43 or, say, rocks and boulders 21:49:00 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 21:49:11 thermal paste 21:49:19 hot liquid silver and limestone pies 21:49:29 if Gr don't need to breath, why can't they walk through deep water? 21:49:54 why can't most races swim 21:50:07 a better question is, why can merfolk swim 21:50:11 because we don't have a swimming skill? 21:50:15 think about all the stuff your average adventurer carries around 21:50:18 ogaz: instinct 21:50:27 merfolk have gas bladders 21:50:31 pshhhhhhhhhhhhhht 21:50:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 21:50:41 you mean they swim by farting? 21:50:42 ogaz: I guess because 'this isn't nethack', and your pack is water-proof 21:51:02 SamB: that would only provide propulsion, not buoyancy 21:51:02 but what about the weight? 21:51:03 gammafunk: the implication being that you'd sink 21:51:50 SamB: The pack is magic, and behaves differently in water 21:52:00 It's like some harry potter thing or something 21:52:55 I'm not very good at testing jump 21:53:15 SamB: Haha, don't worry. When webtiles gets a restart, there'll be more testing I think 21:53:19 My dude is still alive at least 21:53:35 At least we know it's not so OP that every game is easy :) 21:53:44 |amethyst: have you done graphs to calculate the best ToD to restart webtiles? 21:54:10 or are we just waiting until something breaks? 21:55:55 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:54 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:58:39 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58:46 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:59:27 |amethyst: Since I put the jump enums in various places, as you pointed out, does that if I fix those by putting them at the end and that new version goes to jump branch on CSZO, I will never be able to load my existing jump save in the new version? 22:01:07 gammafunk: well, it won't WORK right 22:01:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:00 SamB: Just mean the enum vaules would be messed up and the game would be screwed, even assuming it would load? 22:02:21 yeah, that 22:04:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes 22:05:00 Ok, So if I clean things up by adding the jump enums at the end of their respective lists in enums.h, do I nee to do anything with TAG_MAJOR_VERSION? 22:05:40 I'm not doing any save compat code 22:05:51 <|amethyst> shouldn't need to then 22:05:58 <|amethyst> I would recommend one piece of save compat code 22:06:07 <|amethyst> give the mutation to felids if they don't already have it 22:06:14 oh, ok 22:06:27 <|amethyst> (then that should be wrapped in an #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34) 22:07:33 I'll do that, thanks 22:07:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk: the breaking-experimental-saves thing is an issue for dwants branch as well; I think Grunt was working on updating it to latest trunk 22:08:02 ok, I'll merge master after my changes and let you know when that's ready 22:08:05 and one last quesiton 22:08:06 <|amethyst> My inclination is to post a warning a few days in advance, then to delete the saves when we do update 22:08:21 I see ABIL_MAX_EVOKE in enums.h 22:08:23 |amethyst: I just got dwants merged with trunk a few minutes ago, although obviously it breaks the experimental branch saves 22:08:32 which seems to track which abilities that use evoke 22:08:44 well, I should say updated to trunk, "merge" probably isn't righ word 22:08:49 so my ability needs to go in that block 22:08:49 <|amethyst> buppy: including moving enums to the end? 22:09:05 |amethyst: yes 22:09:26 currently it's ABIL_MAX_EVOKE = ABIL_EVOKE_TELEPORT_CONTROL, 22:09:45 but I assume I should just add mine to end, and change ABIL_MAX_EVOKE to be ABIL_EVOKE_JUMP 22:09:58 <|amethyst> oh, hm 22:10:04 by end, I mean end of that block, not the end of the entire enum 22:10:17 -!- imabunny has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:10:18 <|amethyst> well 22:10:25 <|amethyst> normally that would be what you want, but... 22:10:33 this doesn't sound well-designed :-( 22:10:40 <|amethyst> note ABIL_ZIN_SUSTENANCE = 50 22:10:43 |amethyst: Do you have admin privileges on CAO? 22:10:55 <|amethyst> EVOKE_TELEPORT_CONTROL = 40 22:11:11 <|amethyst> err, = 49 22:11:14 <|amethyst> wait, no, it's 48 22:11:20 <|amethyst> good, there's room for one more :) 22:12:52 we should probably, uh, bump that next group up some tens at the next chance we get? 22:13:03 <|amethyst> yeah :) 22:13:10 currently in jump I have ABIL_EVOKE_BERSERK = 40, but it looks like teleport control is 49 22:13:16 so it should be ok? 22:13:43 <|amethyst> are you sure it's 49 and not 48? 22:13:57 |amethyst: I think that's including the jump one 22:13:58 oh, should I be ignoreing stop_levitating? 22:14:03 yeah that's inlucding jump 22:14:16 <|amethyst> oh 22:14:17 jump is (incorrectly) in the middle right now 22:14:23 <|amethyst> ah I see 22:14:41 isn't there a way to print the enum values in-game? 22:14:44 <|amethyst> yeah, yours will be 49 and there's no more room 22:14:55 <|amethyst> buppy: doubt it, but you can do it with a debugger for example 22:14:58 buppy: don't think so, but there is GDB 22:15:11 <|amethyst> actually, there can be slightly more room 22:15:21 ? 22:16:17 <|amethyst> if we give up on fixing up the user-selected letter for "evoke stop levitating" to apply to "stop flying" instead, we can reuse that enum 22:16:38 <|amethyst> ability numbers are only marhalled in the ability letter table 22:16:53 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:16:56 <|amethyst> and the only thing that refers to ABIL_EVOKE_STOP_LEVITATING is that piece of save compat code 22:17:20 <|amethyst> however 22:17:30 <|amethyst> I'm not sure if that would leave "stop flying" unassigned 22:17:37 <|amethyst> have to find a pretty old save to test :) 22:17:43 I don't think it could do that 22:18:05 unless you ran out of letters 22:18:37 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:42 <|amethyst> oh 22:18:47 <|amethyst> also, we can grow downwards 22:18:53 <|amethyst> ABIL_MAX_INTRINSIC is 22 22:19:04 <|amethyst> so 23 through 39 are currently unassigned 22:19:07 still, ick 22:19:35 <|amethyst> the MIN_EVOKE and MAX_EVOKE things are used only for tiles UI stuff 22:19:39 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:17 <|amethyst> so maybe it could be done in another way that doesn't involve the enum ranges 22:20:31 <|amethyst> e.g. an extra bool in ability_def 22:20:33 |amethyst: So ABIL_JUMP (which is the mutation-based ability) should go at the very end of the ability enum, after the zotdef ones? 22:20:47 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, it can go after teleport control 22:20:59 no, that's the evoke one 22:21:03 there are two 22:21:04 <|amethyst> ohh 22:21:31 so where is spit acid 22:21:34 <|amethyst> I'd put it after ABIL_RECHARGING 22:21:44 <|amethyst> as the new ABIL_MAX_INTRINSIC 22:21:53 <|amethyst> which is okay because of the gap 22:22:36 <|amethyst> I hadn't realised ability_type was so gappy until now 22:22:40 |amethyst: so did you work out a good time of day to restart webtiles yet? 22:22:57 |amethyst: ok, thanks 22:23:11 <|amethyst> ogaz: yes I do, what's up? 22:23:15 <|amethyst> SamB: hm 22:23:22 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:23:40 <|amethyst> SamB: the best time would be when my ISP's router is having one of its hissy fits 22:23:56 <|amethyst> SamB: but the problem is I can't get in to restart it when that happens :) 22:24:15 maybe you could create an agent to detect such fits 22:24:22 <|amethyst> maybe :) 22:24:41 |amethyst: CAO appeared to crash a while ago, and right now those of us who were playing console can't get in because "Another game is already in progress using this save!" and webtiles is down entirely 22:24:56 <|amethyst> I'll put up a note saying it will be restarted in four hours, and schedule an at job 22:25:40 |amethyst: er, those of us playing console can't play the saved game but we can play other games 22:25:58 <|amethyst> let me see 22:28:19 mahrgell the Insei (L1 OpTm) (D) 22:28:28 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:12 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 22:29:42 <|amethyst> ogaz: webtiles is unfrozen, but I don't know if that helps your game 22:29:58 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:30:04 |amethyst: it works now, thank you 22:32:49 <|amethyst> !lm mahrgell crash -log 22:32:50 No milestones for mahrgell (crash). 22:33:00 <|amethyst> oh, right, no milestone 22:33:07 <|amethyst> wait 22:33:12 <|amethyst> no that doesn't make sense 22:33:18 <|amethyst> !lm * crash -log 22:33:18 5333. enigmoo, XL6 GrTm, T:4758 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/enigmoo/crash-enigmoo-20130827-060741.txt 22:33:22 <|amethyst> !lm * sprint crash -log 22:33:23 356. mahrgell, XL1 OpTm, T:21 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/mahrgell/crash-mahrgell-20130829-032818.txt 22:33:25 <|amethyst> aha 22:34:13 <|amethyst> webtiles_send_last_messages -> TilesFramework::finish_message 22:34:25 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:44 <|amethyst> not sure why it would hang without timing out there though 22:39:00 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:09 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:28 |amethyst: Would my save compat bit for the Fe mutation go in player::init()? 22:42:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, in tag_read_you 22:43:31 |amethyst: CAO crashed again 22:43:33 ah, that does make more sense 22:44:34 ogaz: it crashed, or the tileserver is hung? 22:44:51 <|amethyst> SamB: the latter... this happened a few days ago too 22:45:15 out of curiousity, why does that cause my console game to hang? 22:45:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk: search for 'GARGOYLE' in tags.cc and you'll see some example code 22:45:20 yeah, I guess Henzell would disappear if it actually crashed 22:45:44 <|amethyst> ogaz: because console games talk with the webtiles server (that's how webtiles players can watch console games) 22:46:01 ah, makes sense. thanks 22:47:15 |amethyst: why would new games still work? 22:51:45 <|amethyst> SamB: hm, good question 22:52:26 <|amethyst> you'd have to ask edlothiol or Medar or someone who actually knows this stuff :) 22:55:52 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:58:23 <|amethyst> oh right 22:58:30 <|amethyst> the socket is created by crawl 22:58:50 <|amethyst> if webtiles is hung, nothing will ever open and read from the socket 22:58:57 oh, I see 22:59:26 and crawl is okay with this? fascinating. 22:59:51 possibly up until it hits the sendq limit 23:00:01 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:00:21 <|amethyst> yeah 23:00:23 like you can write down a pipe whose other end is a hung program, and it'll work up until it fills up abd blocks you 23:00:25 <|amethyst> bufsize is 64k 23:00:51 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:02:50 <|amethyst> aha 23:03:02 <|amethyst> it looks like it's probably fine 23:03:48 <|amethyst> when it wants to send it loops over its list of active connections and does a sendto() to each 23:04:15 <|amethyst> and if the webtiles server never connected to it, its list of active connections is empty 23:05:25 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:05:43 is there a way to clear inscriptions quickly with the new patch? 23:05:59 so if we could just arrange for the webtiles server to disconnect from everything before hanging ... 23:06:00 <|amethyst> simmarine: ctrl-u erases to the beginning of the line 23:06:17 thanks 23:06:22 <|amethyst> SamB: or do a timed select whenever we want to write 23:07:09 -!- iasov has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:09:36 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:09:58 I've been gone, is there still a CAO issue? 23:10:11 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:11:35 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:12:33 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:56 Looks okay to me, did |amethyst fix it? :P 23:13:15 yes 23:13:25 and is poking at the cause 23:13:31 -!- enygmata has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:13:46 sweet thank you |amethyst you are the best :D 23:14:47 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 23:15:00 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:37 so uh, elec brand now actually makes noise when you hit things right 23:16:08 'now'? 23:16:13 I thought that's almost always been the case? 23:16:29 well i think it used to make really small noise and it wasnt supposed to be quiet or something 23:16:48 but in either case, i stabbed an imp with a whip of elec and made sparks... except the iguana right next to him is still sleeping 23:16:54 o_O 23:17:11 it's a heavy sleeper? 23:18:57 <|amethyst> // Successful stabs make no noise. 23:19:09 simmarine: only makes nouse in water 23:19:25 i coulda swore earlier in .13 trunk elec started to generate noise 23:19:31 i was already aware of the water thing 23:19:32 <|amethyst> it makes noise out of water, too, but apparently not if it's a stab 23:19:55 you'd think the whip and the elec would BOTH make noise here though 23:20:24 i dont know about the whip. dagger stabbing things next to each other has always been a thing 23:20:26 the irritating thign about elec brand is when you are stabbing in water and it goes off and wakes everything up, although i guess it isnt too hard to carry a normal dagger 23:20:37 <|amethyst> the noise from melee elec is handled by adding to the attack's noise_factor 23:21:06 <|amethyst> which is then set to zero by handle_noise if it was a stab 23:21:55 <|amethyst> maybe electrocution should instead make its own noise there 23:22:08 it does, well the arcing part does 23:22:16 <|amethyst> right, but that's only in water 23:22:16 Sabaki: electrocuting yourself doesn't hurt? 23:22:25 oh im not sure about yourself 23:22:35 <|amethyst> SamB: you might be flying or relec 23:22:39 but for sure when you stab an enemy and the elec brand goes off and it arcs to adjacent squares it will wake stuff up 23:23:13 <|amethyst> SamB: (flying doesn't protect against electrocution anymore, but it does mean you're not touching the water so don't get the arc) 23:23:31 and i suppose it is realistic that elec arcing through the water woudl wake stuff up, so no huge complaint there 23:23:50 <|amethyst> the explosion of sparks is supposed to be noisy too 23:23:57 but every time i worship ash and curse an elec dagger i always get irritated by water :D 23:24:12 have we looked at photos of what happens when lightning strikes a swimming pool at all? 23:24:46 or other body of water I guess 23:24:47 lighting and swimming pools are pretty loud, although maybe zeus never trained stealth 23:25:26 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:25:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:26:02 hey, while we are makign hex-conjuration spells, why not have a conjuration spell that does extra damage to unaware enemies! 23:26:44 <|amethyst> or tloc Portal Stab 23:27:04 id like that, im always sad that cblink makes too much noise to do that 23:27:50 tloc portal stab would be too awesome though, mmm 23:31:50 -!- Zxkuqyb has quit [Client Quit] 23:32:43 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:39:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:44:26 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2884-gbbf8bdf (34) 23:52:38 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]