00:01:15 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:01:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2733-g5d3b754 (34) 00:02:04 Grunt: what's the dumbest death you've seen? 00:02:26 !lg * min=int x=int 00:02:28 2499156. [int=-96] Taynav the Slayer (L18 MiBe), worshipper of Trog, forgot to breathe caused by an orange crystal statue on Elf:2 (minivault_16) on 2012-03-05 03:30:32, with 222353 points after 50620 turns and 6:11:26. 00:02:32 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:57 Alternatively, pick a Zermako game to watch. 00:03:31 -96!? 00:03:39 ??lg 00:03:40 listgame[1/6]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.txt 00:03:40 !lg * min=int x=int -tv 00:03:41 2499158. Taynav, XL18 MiBe, T:50620 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 00:04:08 sweet jesus. 00:05:10 !lg * min=int x=int -log 00:05:10 Didn't even kill the statue. 00:05:11 2499158. Taynav, XL18 MiBe, T:50620: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Taynav/morgue-Taynav-20120305-033032.txt 00:05:16 Shame, that. 00:06:24 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2733-g5d3b754 (34) 00:07:21 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 00:08:51 !lg * min=hp x=hp 00:08:52 2499164. [hp=-10003] Yuichan the Ruinous (L2 HECj), annihilated by a hobgoblin on D:1 on 2010-03-17 10:08:19, with 42 points after 739 turns and 0:29:05. 00:09:03 uh? 00:09:06 !lg * min=hp x=hp -log 00:09:07 2499164. Yuichan, XL2 HECj, T:739: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Yuichan/morgue-Yuichan-20100317-100819.txt 00:09:27 that can't be real 00:10:00 savefile bug 00:10:10 got miswritten or misread in some way 00:10:43 i think the lowest winning maxhp is -1 00:11:06 i'll let you figure out how it happened; it's pretty cute 00:12:16 !lg won min=maxhp 00:12:16 Unknown field: maxhp 00:12:22 really 00:12:28 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:13:06 ddoor? 00:13:13 !lg * won min=hp x=hp -log 00:13:14 13613. syllogism, XL1 HEIE, T:209486: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/syllogism/morgue-syllogism-20100128-143412.txt 00:14:54 SamB: how'd he do it? 00:15:54 ??bolt of draining 00:15:55 bolt of draining[1/1]: L6 conj/necro spell in the {book of Death}. 00:19:50 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: He who laughs last, thinks slowest] 00:21:14 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:24:11 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:26:50 Grunt: bhickey.net/yasd.pdf -- there's a 'forgot to breathe' version 00:26:57 -!- Senjai has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 00:30:58 -!- Fusha has quit [Quit: Meow.~] 00:31:27 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:38:45 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:39:53 -!- mong has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:43:43 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:57:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:01:15 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:03:58 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: welp cya] 01:06:59 -!- agolden has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:59 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 01:10:05 -!- TigerKnee has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:12:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:27 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:37 ASSERT(!crawl_state.game_is_arena()) in 'player.cc' at line 4994 failed. 01:13:49 that's contaminate_player 01:14:21 * Zannick rebuilds clean and tries again 01:14:34 -!- duckroller_ has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 01:18:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:19:10 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:21:34 yep, still there 01:22:30 #4 0x087ada76 in contaminate_player (change=-25, controlled=false, msg=true) at player.cc:4994 01:22:33 #5 0x0849c7b2 in _handle_magic_contamination () at effects.cc:2119 01:22:35 #6 0x0849cdb8 in handle_time () at effects.cc:2214 01:22:38 #7 0x085fac47 in world_reacts () at main.cc:3495 01:23:45 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:28:59 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:31:35 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:32 %git c56f7848 01:32:33 07galehar02 * 0.13-a0-2716-gc56f784: Use a finer scale for magic contamination. 10(3 days ago, 15 files, 149+ 128-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c56f7848c24e 01:34:07 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:34:09 %git c56f7848^ 01:34:10 07|amethyst02 * 0.13-a0-2715-gbdd8019: Fix an overly long line in the docs. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdd80194b71b 01:34:12 hm 01:35:19 -!- mong 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(The backspace thing is even unlogical.) 07:25:13 <|amethyst> I didn't think we had made any real android changes 07:35:48 there was some planned interface thing, but i dont know if its even in trunk 07:36:14 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:36:14 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:45:08 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:45:25 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:45 can anyone think of a few uniques that cast notable charms off the top of their head (are there even any)? 07:47:16 rupert 07:47:22 it turns out that charm/hex randbooks never get an owner because the randbook owner entries are still listed under the "Enchantment" key 07:47:33 berserk isn't really a charm 07:47:49 dosen't he have paralsis? 07:48:01 that'd be a hex! 07:48:02 <|amethyst> that's a hex 07:48:05 haha 07:48:11 yeah 07:48:24 <|amethyst> and he's not a real caster anyway 07:48:27 that trngu guy 07:48:29 tengu* 07:48:33 dmsl 07:48:38 (and all the uniques previously listed under "Enchantment" also only cast hexes - sigmund, gastronok, rupert, norris, kirke 07:48:39 ) 07:48:44 -!- Cronoth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:48:52 oh mm i guess there's the dmsl flag, yeah 07:49:10 i suppose rupert shouldn't be there at all now also 07:49:54 MarvinPA: malfunctioning uniques for years? 07:50:05 no, malfunctioning randart spellbooks! 07:50:36 (hex/charm spellbooks would never get a name like "Sigmund's Tome of Whatever", only "Tome of Whatever") 07:51:20 needs to be fixed before release!!! 07:51:52 <|amethyst> not a lot of casters have more than one charm slot 07:52:45 yeah 07:53:04 which is probably good because they don't tend to be very interesting monster spells, but it makes things awkward here :P 07:54:54 even only having one unique possibility would probably be fine, ice only has ozocubu listed and air nikola 07:55:39 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: ice should have Fannar too 07:56:18 <|amethyst> and air could have Sojobo 07:56:18 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:56:37 <|amethyst> The Gnoll Shaman's Tome of Whatever 07:56:44 <|amethyst> (but also not a real caster) 07:59:07 <|amethyst> nessos has only blink range and haste 07:59:21 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:59:26 <|amethyst> gastronok and maurice have swiftness 07:59:33 yeah, i was thinking someone who just noticeably casts haste a bunch might be easiest 07:59:56 -!- Aarinfel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:03:15 -!- riot has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:13:45 new unique time :P 08:14:31 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2734-g7cb690d: Fix Hex/Charm randbooks never getting unique owners 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cb690dbb7f6 08:19:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2735-gef417d5: Adjust some more randbook owner lists 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef417d5da914 08:19:32 i don't think norris feels very "charm"y so i just went with gastronok/maurice 08:21:00 fannar uses ozo's armor, so could be in charms, but hes really not charmy at all 08:22:15 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:44 MarvinPA: why remove Ozocubu as ice owner? 08:25:42 he wasn't removed, just changed to default weight 08:25:47 i'm assuming he used to be w:5 because he was the only option 08:26:31 but now there's a couple more possible ice options so it makes sense for them all to have default weight probably 08:26:38 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:27:02 ah 08:27:07 yes 08:29:48 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:16 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:53 The man who never uses Injury Mirror arrives! :) 08:36:25 haha, yes 08:41:44 !tell bh i'd totally buy a book like that, but i'd prefer color... and i'd love it if my batform death made it in :) including notes from the player as to why they died could be nice, too 08:41:52 oh, is it !message 08:41:53 Eronarn: OK, I'll let bh know. 08:41:58 apparently not 08:43:49 -!- Arkaniad|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43:55 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:32 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:46:48 -!- axujen has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:51:01 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:53:34 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:00:24 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 09:02:02 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:03:33 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:31 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:09:33 -!- underisk has quit [Client Quit] 09:11:03 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:35 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:21:35 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 09:23:34 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:50 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:31:43 -!- Arkaniad|Desk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:18 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:15 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:45:11 -!- riot has quit [Quit: *GNARF*] 09:46:43 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:52:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:00:00 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:05:41 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:09:24 -!- marcmagu1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:17:09 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:55 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:25:46 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 10:28:42 -!- Arkaniad|Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:33:33 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:15 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:36:53 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:36:56 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:40 why do we have randart books named for uniques anyway? 10:41:56 a human can't be guilty of an "ancient artefact" 10:42:06 and a slug can't write at all 10:42:17 unless tesla, becaues timetravel 10:46:14 book artefacts aren't very artefacty already anyway, they probably don't need to be labelled as "ancient artefacts" 10:47:47 "rare and unusual book" 10:47:50 many worlds quantum theory of mechanics and then the books end up in the dungeon :) 10:47:50 -!- Vidiny has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48:25 *theory of quantum mechanics 10:48:32 i wouldn't have a problem with making them edible by jellies and just describing them as something like that, yeah 10:49:36 since they can already be ripped up and destroyed 10:50:16 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:50:45 Grunt: sounds good! 10:51:18 kilobyte: let's just not call these artefacts and it'll be alright. 10:51:55 I always imagined these books to be personal study books of great wizards. 10:52:13 (cf. Roxanne) 10:52:57 http://sprunge.us/IPQe 10:53:11 DeWitt's Compendium of Indeterminacy? 10:54:10 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:54:30 dpeg: for older uniques, maybe 10:54:30 -!- valtern_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:55:23 * kilobyte understands how Boris could have authored some stuff in the past, and still have enough time for them to be found in a dungeon far from civilization. 10:56:09 * geekosaur figures they were created by someone else and named in honor 10:56:37 ..although given the quality of some of those randbooks, "honor" may be dubious 10:56:47 in honor of a young girl like Psyche? 10:57:02 or a slug like Gastronok 10:59:55 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:06:22 -!- fmul has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:01 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:10:43 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:11:49 Grunt: looks good to me 11:12:14 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:19:35 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:20:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:22:39 -!- ReteAZ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:23:31 -!- Fusha has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:28:56 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:30:14 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:41:48 -!- _wh1te has left ##crawl-dev 11:42:16 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:43:56 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:20 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:50:16 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:38 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:52:30 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03:19 -!- randart has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:04:18 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 12:06:45 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2735-gef417d5 (34) 12:06:50 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:13:14 -!- deadbolt has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:13:45 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:22 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:04 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:20:55 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:21:45 -!- JirkfaceJones has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:25:35 morning 12:25:36 Naruni: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:25:43 !messages 12:25:45 (1/1) |amethyst said (17h 47m 25s ago): https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7489 12:27:39 very nice 12:27:47 you be extremely helpful 12:27:57 you/would 12:29:26 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:33:15 +kilobyte: I'd always pictured Gastronok respected by his unique spellcaster peers, except for the funny hat ;) 12:33:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:38:16 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:38:39 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:43:59 robotcentaur, i think thats why he is pissed, someone put it on him as a joke and now he cant take it off 12:46:07 -!- Kaisermuffin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:47:29 exactly. it has come to define him instead of his abilities. I don't blame him. 12:48:39 is the 'light' member in armour_def needed (or used) at all after the new armour penalty was implemented? 12:49:25 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:49:50 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:51:07 fmul: hm, I don't think that was used even before the new armour penalty 12:51:30 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:51:50 there is still a distinction between light and heavy armour for ozocubu's armour, but we just check the encumbrance rating directly 12:55:34 i see 12:56:06 -!- T-Mick_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56:38 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:58:43 03|amethyst02 07* 0.13-a0-2736-g2060d6e: Remove armour_def::light (fmul) 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 37+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2060d6ecf6a9 12:58:45 how does LUARET1 act differently from LUARET2 12:58:46 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:01 -!- argibeltz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:59:34 <|amethyst> Naruni: a function defined with LUARET1 returns one value, a function with LUARET2 returns two 13:00:20 <|amethyst> see http://www.lua.org/pil/5.1.html 13:00:43 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:50 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:15 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01:45 Kellhus (L5 MuCK) ASSERT(power > 0) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 252 failed. (D:3) 13:08:55 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:56 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:10:55 |amethyst, i guess what im trying to figure out is LUARET1(you_name, string, you.your_name.c_str()) <-- string is the data type, you.your_name.c_str() is the function that gets the data, but what is you_name? im guessing thats what the lua function is named? 13:13:06 it doesnt make sense though because you_hp or you_name doesnt show up in my settings/* grep search 13:13:24 or in dat/clua/* 13:13:46 -!- giganticus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:15:30 oh i got it 13:16:06 function "name" , you_name 13:19:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:35 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37:24 -!- Senjai has quit [Changing host] 13:37:30 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:39 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:49 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:37 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:56:02 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:57:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59:00 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:02:42 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:02:56 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 14:03:41 -!- Chozo has quit [Client Quit] 14:05:07 -!- anidude has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:54 -!- Arkaniad|Desk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:02 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:14:06 !tell |amethyst i put a note on 7489 14:14:06 Naruni: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 14:21:34 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:40 -!- Burer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:28 -!- Burer has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:31:40 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:34:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:37:05 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 14:40:06 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:43:43 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:14 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:35 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:50:19 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:50:43 -!- Arkaniad|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:52:52 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:01 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:02:55 -!- Fusha has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:07:59 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 15:08:28 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 15:16:25 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:19:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:59 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:36 -!- myrmidette has quit [Client Quit] 15:25:25 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:25:40 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:30:07 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32:18 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32:39 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:43:12 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:44:02 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:48:37 03Zannick02 {galehar} 07* 0.13-a0-2737-g440019e: Don't contaminate the arena. 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=440019e6197f 15:48:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:01 What do you think: will 0.13 have the Forest? 15:57:17 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:58:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:01:12 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:40 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:04:54 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:41 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:07:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:42 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:14:18 lots of people are complaining about it, mostly because it has a lot of (mostly weak but numerous) summons 16:14:28 i still havent played it, so i dont have an opinion of my own :/ 16:15:06 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:16:15 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:19:35 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20:31 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:20:33 my one encounter with it so far was a pretty near instant splat: entered, got pitchforked into a pool by a nymph and surrounded by elementals, died with most of my attempted attacks slipping in the water and unable to clear a path to land :/ 16:22:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:48 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:23:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:29:01 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 16:29:30 -!- mrwooster has quit [Client Quit] 16:30:12 yes, might take a while to get the branch in shape 16:30:29 it will go somewhere, I am sure 16:30:41 <|amethyst> Naruni: yes, that is the name it will give the function 16:30:54 Players have been making forest/crypt relatively trivial by just waiting to low or mid 20s XL to clear it 16:30:59 <|amethyst> Naruni: see the definition of LUARET1 in cluautil.h 16:32:24 Then there tends to be complaints that forest is full of 'popcorn' spam e.g. from treants and the spirit wolves, and that there are 'annoyance' enemies like dyrads and spriggan assasins 16:34:17 I still have a game parked in forest because when I saw a treant and what it did, looking for the Tomb entrance suddenly seemed much, much, much less fun 16:34:36 Going "screw this" because of one monster might not be all that reasonable, granted 16:35:29 But then again, that one monster could've been probably fully half of the things in there, not to mention the new obnoxious ones that live elsewhere 16:35:59 Unfortunately I did Forest late and with a fire stormer, so I cannot comment much. 16:36:21 Yeah I did it with an Ogre using spectral, and I've done it as a fire conj 16:36:39 yeah, a firestormer would really not find it that annoying probably 16:36:41 but it was pretty trivial both times since the chars were advanced 16:37:30 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:37:46 although I have to say that some spriggan berserkers gave me a run for my money: those guys evaded several of my bolt spells, and do they dish out the damage 16:38:06 What I got annoyed with was a crossbow wanderer, but I suspect that's still not the actual worst thing you could go in there with 16:38:20 since bolts of penetration are very good and all 16:38:46 Shoals needed three release cycles to make it... 16:38:59 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:39:11 Forest has a theme and a layout and some distinctive monsters, that's pretty good. 16:39:29 Yeah, it's definitely clear that things can improve with lots of time and work and they can even get it here 16:40:36 dpeg: the thing to use against spriggans is fireball. or firestorm. 16:40:46 really anything that can't miss 16:40:49 it's pretty silly really 16:40:53 they just die :/ 16:41:05 alefury: I didn't have fireball, as I was playing my bookless conduct 16:41:17 oh, neat! 16:41:24 oh yeah congrats on that by the way, that is a pretty stylish conduct 16:41:32 I suspect maybe even airstrike is a good investment to kill spriggans 16:41:38 yes, even made a long YAVP on the tavern, but only got silly replies :) 16:41:40 thx 16:41:49 yeah i did see that post 16:42:08 * dpeg was back in usenet mode when he wrote that... those times are past. 16:42:46 and personally i don't see a problem with waiting a bit on forest, yeah 16:43:29 Would be cool if one species makes it in... last time you told me that Gr is the go-to candidate. 16:43:30 i'm also yet to play through it properly but it certainly looks more promising than, say, dwarf ever did, i would imagine it could pretty feasibly be ready for 0.14 16:43:36 yes 16:43:38 Possibly one thing is that I feel like forest might have a less consistent monster strategy than a lot of other places 16:44:08 yeah Gr is seeming pretty solid now (ha ha "solid") 16:44:10 and it "feels" helpful when branches have that 16:44:42 SwissStopwatch: hm, what if Forest came with ... things that reduce player accuracy (of weapons, and spells, including success)? 16:44:57 "The branch where you have a harder time hitting." 16:45:09 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:22 which is of course already true except for the sorts of stuff alefury mentioned 16:45:33 except for the monsters it isn't true for, of course 16:45:37 yes, trying to extend it to that 16:45:38 (also maybe it should be Ga now, Gr doesn't make much sense as an abbreviation now the species name isn't "grotesk") 16:45:42 "There is a lot of pollen in the air here. Your eyes water." 16:46:06 Zannick: yes, and even the flora pokes its vines and twigs in your way etc. 16:46:14 sounds really unpleasant to play 16:46:23 I wonder how interesting it would be, although it's more of a defensive plan than an offensive one, not that I specified 16:46:31 alefury: why? Just give every attack a flat 5% chance to not work 16:47:09 interesting is one thing, obnoxious is another. I don't think we need another Blade 16:47:23 it would certainly be something different, but I think I might just go somewhere else 16:47:24 yes obnoxious is kind of where forest is at 16:47:25 (as an example of a branch that is widely considered not worth any amount of effort) 16:47:44 but where is the line? Is new curse toe obnoxious? Perhaps. Is it awesome? Yes! 16:47:46 like merfolk mostly have direct, strong attacks and (probably) a terrain advantage that they can sometimes force you to give to them 16:47:55 which gives shoals a certain character to it 16:48:05 there's a line between frustrating and fun but difficult 16:48:10 Zannick: of course 16:48:47 I always think that *something* should happen if you burn all those trees in forest. 16:49:01 At least an elderly man coming down and saying "Bad dpeg!" 16:49:07 <|amethyst> elven invasion 16:49:11 <|amethyst> oh, wrong game 16:49:45 need to add something for the cratetrck of draining all the water out of swamp with Fedhas 16:49:53 trick* 16:49:57 <|amethyst> as long as it's not a treefolk boss that gives you a fixedart if you never destroyed a tree :) 16:50:05 the raging inferno of magical trees opens a portal to gehenna, and you get killed by demons? :P 16:50:10 But seriously, perhaps we can turn trees into something: if most monsters can walk through trees (where they won't attack, but also cannot be attacked) *and* removing trees carries a danger... 16:50:47 <|amethyst> I don't know about "most" 16:51:00 <|amethyst> but certainly it would make sense for a lot of them 16:51:01 passtree 16:51:27 gtg 16:51:29 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 22.0/20130626043228]] 16:51:30 of course if somebody decided to have them maintain_range through trees that might get a bit much 16:51:30 <|amethyst> I wouldn't want to give it to all spriggans, for example, because then player spriggans 16:52:13 |amethyst: good thinking, although if need be that could be flavoure away by calling them "wood spriggans" or somesuch. 16:52:13 now that I think about it, mostly-passive terrain stuff ends up being one of the better tools for giving branches some sort of decent monster strategy 16:52:29 since it's something they can execute without needing complex AI that they probably shouldn't have for lots of reasons 16:54:44 if the trees ended up giving enemies interesting angles of attack and making them naturally interfere with escape routes more, that would be something 16:55:13 yes 16:55:31 perhaps some rare enemies which can shoot through trees? 16:55:42 still need a penalty for evil tree burners... 16:55:50 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:56:23 <|amethyst> destroying trees in forest has a chance to spawn (no-XP) "ghost dryads" 16:56:23 <|amethyst> ? 16:56:40 The forest wants revenge! 16:56:56 Fedhas wrath 16:57:05 shooting through trees probably ends up causing trouble with some of the terrain needed to make things interesting in other ways 16:57:15 <|amethyst> or destroying too many trees means the levels are replaced with Crypt on the way back up :) 16:57:17 like if you end up with something you just straight up can't get at 16:57:22 |amethyst: <3 16:57:52 <|amethyst> dpeg: the latter would encourage it to some extent though because of the extra XP etc 16:57:52 "The life has gone out of this place since you left it last." 16:58:04 |amethyst: yes, I know, but a great joke 16:58:09 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:58:20 "You see some homeless spriggans begging for a few coins." 16:58:41 burn the entire forest to mobilize a spriggan panhandler army 16:58:45 You hear the sounds of a cash register being emptied hastily." 16:59:34 forest fires triggering angry trees sounds like something that could happen 17:00:01 <|amethyst> dpeg: my theory on the Forest/Crypt split is that they're the same branch in different timelines, perhaps because of leakage from Tomb 17:00:06 Smokey unique: "Only YOU can prevent forest fires!" 17:00:10 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:22 |amethyst: wow, that is deep. 17:00:45 |amethyst: can just drop some ever-so-small hints 17:01:04 forest:1 should have a chance of going to crypt:2 17:01:09 =p 17:01:34 <|amethyst> dpeg: evilmike_haunted_forest already exists, so that's one :) 17:01:41 |amethyst: for example like this: we could make some Crypt vaults which hint at the foresty past 17:01:44 ... yes 17:01:57 secret easter egg where you can transform a level from forest to crypt by hitting specific trees with bolt of draining 17:01:57 and make some forest vaults that are crypt-like 17:02:01 and Forest could have regions that are already desolate 17:02:05 esp the tomb entrance, of course 17:02:06 * dpeg is too slow today 17:02:20 just have to find the trees without rN 17:02:24 dpeg: I also did gammafunk_forest_yreds_foothold 17:02:27 * geekosaur considers... one way to both solidify the link and deal with forest fires, the forest types can raise the dead from a forest fire? suddenly you get a crypt-like army 17:02:27 <|amethyst> ISTR someone made some vaults based on that suggestion 17:02:29 But I've never gotten to see someone play it 17:02:30 <|amethyst> yeah, that was it 17:02:47 if only we could track players encountering specific vaults 17:03:22 have a long timer decay the trees 17:03:31 gammafunk: just looked at it -- nice! 17:03:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'm highly considering turning on vault list in dumps for online play only, but I'd want to discuss it with 1kb first since he was the one who disabled it 17:03:58 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but that would still require grepping morgues 17:04:13 Yeah, an lg query would be really nice 17:04:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:41 <|amethyst> that would be a huge field though 17:04:49 should probably be reported into a separate table 17:04:49 Couldn't you outsource the grep to a nightly, providing a text file of played vaults, and have a Gretell command to search through that file? 17:04:51 <|amethyst> can't be a milestone because that would leak information 17:05:04 similar to milestone reporting but going somewhere else 17:05:44 <|amethyst> or a file alongside the morgue 17:06:02 <|amethyst> like the current .lst file for the stash (but only generated on game end, not dump) 17:06:07 |amethyst: yes 17:08:39 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte re dump_order += vaults, what do you think about always dumping the vault list to a separate file (on game end only), at least for online servers? It would allow for computing statistics, and possibly if we included turnstamps could be used for constructing !tv queries 17:08:40 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 17:09:21 -!- Arkaniad|Lappy has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:09:32 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte making it a separate file would address some of your concerns from 0.12-a0-2723-gf91635a 17:09:33 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 17:10:34 would it make sense to add a vault flag controlling whether it's reported or not? so as to e.g. not bother dumping all the 1-square unique spawn vaults? 17:10:39 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:52 <|amethyst> gammafunk: those I'd want to have 17:11:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: there's already a no_dump tag 17:11:19 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:11:19 wrong g* :) but ok 17:11:23 <|amethyst> doh 17:11:24 haha 17:11:25 we can have a separate column indicating that it's a no_dump vault 17:11:26 <|amethyst> stupid tab 17:11:33 and then queries can include/exclude them as desired 17:11:57 <|amethyst> well 17:12:30 <|amethyst> hm 17:13:02 <|amethyst> mostly it's used for fixed levels 17:13:04 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:17 <|amethyst> also for a few purely technical vaults like hall_of_Zot_N 17:13:34 <|amethyst> and dungeon_decor (which is really a passthrough) 17:13:43 <|amethyst> I guess there might be reasons you'd want to query those 17:13:45 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13:57 <|amethyst> probably vestibule should have that tag removed, btw 17:14:03 <|amethyst> !lg * place=hell s=kmap 17:14:04 220 games for * (place=hell): 214x, 3x vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_tar_mu, vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_coc_nicolae_fridge_bridge, vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_geryon_mu, vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_dis_mu 17:14:48 <|amethyst> there's no way to tell whether someone died in the classic or mu vestibule 17:15:17 <|amethyst> !lg * kmap~~vestibule_of_hell_mu 17:15:18 6. eliar the Bludgeoner (L16 MiFi), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by a blizzard demon (bolt of lightning) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_dis_nicolae_mini_city_of_dis) on 2013-07-13 11:22:53, with 120469 points after 29178 turns and 3:48:22. 17:15:29 <|amethyst> or maybe there is? 17:15:33 <|amethyst> !lg * kmap~~vestibule_of_hell_mu -2 17:15:34 5/6. Roarke the Grand Master (L27 DrMo), worshipper of The Shining One, slain by a reaper (a +0,+2 scythe of dragon slaying) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_geryon_mu) on 2013-07-02 22:35:15, with 1034664 points after 127724 turns and 7:51:52. 17:15:35 <|amethyst> !lg * kmap~~vestibule_of_hell_mu -3 17:15:36 4/6. murrayrobin the Unseen (L12 SpEn), worshipper of Ashenzari, slain by a shadow dragon in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_tar_mu) on 2013-05-02 20:01:09, with 18188 points after 4162 turns and 0:14:52. 17:15:42 <|amethyst> !lg * kmap~~vestibule_of_hell_mu -6 17:15:45 1/6. madreisz the Sorcerer (L26 FeCj), worshipper of Vehumet, blasted by a soul eater (drain life) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_geryon_mu) on 2013-01-27 10:48:29, with 557762 points after 195942 turns and 12:50:05. 17:15:51 |amethyst: the tab is always right -- the completioneers are wrong! 17:16:03 <|amethyst> all of those have two maps listed 17:16:15 maybe it works for mu because the whole thing is subvaulted (and the subvaults might not have no_dump?) 17:16:29 <|amethyst> yeah 17:16:29 no idea how that stuff works when subvaults are involved though 17:16:40 just seems feasible! :P 17:17:18 or i guess actually the whole thing isn't subvaulted, the corners sometimes are just plain floor iirc 17:17:28 but most of it is 17:17:39 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:09 <|amethyst> !lg * kmap~~wayward 17:19:10 No games for * (kmap~~wayward). 17:19:12 <|amethyst> !lg * map~~wayward 17:19:13 1. zermakorobin the Bludgeoner (L14 DsSk), worshipper of Okawaru, incinerated by a hell hog (sticky flame) in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_geryon_nicolae_wayward_sun) on 2013-08-15 15:53:00, with 65304 points after 29286 turns and 3:11:54. 17:19:22 <|amethyst> nice vault name :) 17:19:43 <|amethyst> !lg * hell s=map 17:19:44 220 games for * (hell): 67x, 62x vestibule_of_hell, 59x vestibule_of_hell_mu, 18x vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_geryon_mu, 5x vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_dis_mu, 3x vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_tar_mu, 2x vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_geh_mu, 2x vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_dis_nicolae_mini_city_of_dis, vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_coc_mu, vestibule_of_hell_mu; vestibule_geryon_ni... 17:19:50 was also a tourney team name 17:19:58 <|amethyst> yeah 17:20:20 <|amethyst> I need to be coming up with a team name for the 0.13 tournament 17:20:22 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:52 shouldnt you be more worried about making 0.13 actually good? :P 17:21:06 <|amethyst> I fix bugs occasionally! 17:21:25 <|amethyst> I shouldn't be involved in balance decisions for places I never get to in a real game 17:21:42 <|amethyst> like D:2 17:21:43 |amethyst: if this had been Linley's policy, there would be no endgame :) 17:21:52 maybe you could try something like zermakorobin? amethystrobin? 17:22:11 the dungeon will continue until morale improves! 17:22:29 <|amethyst> alefury: I should just copy people's save files and play them offline 17:23:05 |amethyst: i've thought about that, but for the purpose of testing stuff rather than wizmode equipping myself every time 17:23:19 nonono, zermakorobin is pretty ingenious: first people play, then they get to watch 17:23:24 it doesnt work if you play offline 17:23:33 ??zermakorobin 17:23:34 zermakorobin[1/3]: basically someone else plays a game until they clear lair, then handle it to me 17:24:12 |amethyst: have you beat crawl a lot? 17:24:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:24:15 !lg zermakorobin s=place 17:24:15 40 games for zermakorobin: 7x D:3, 4x D:8, 4x D:4, 3x D:13, 3x D:6, 3x Orc:3, 2x D:17, Lair:6, D:11, D:9, Abyss:2, D:1, D:5, D:12, D:14, D:2, Abyss:1, Lair:1, D:15, Hell, Vaults:2 17:24:21 <|amethyst> !lg . / won 17:24:22 2/7177 games for |amethyst: N=2/7177 (0.03%) 17:24:26 <|amethyst> plus one offline win 17:24:37 <|amethyst> !lg . won -2 17:24:37 1/2. Neil the Sorcerer (L27 SpSt), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-31 02:58:26, with 1298440 points after 120543 turns and 10:19:50. 17:24:38 <|amethyst> !lg . won -1 17:24:39 2. Neil the Faith Healer (L27 HOHe), worshipper of Elyvilon, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-10-04 20:54:19, with 1318561 points after 99008 turns and 8:11:47. 17:24:39 I see, so similar to bh 17:24:52 <|amethyst> And a few close calls 17:24:58 <|amethyst> !lg . max=nrune 17:24:58 7177. Neil the Sorcerer (L22 FeTm), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) on Zot:3 on 2011-08-27 14:25:22, with 318382 points after 157916 turns and 18:28:15. 17:25:01 <|amethyst> !lg . max=nrune -2 17:25:02 7176/7177. Neil the Sorcerer (L27 DEWz), worshipper of Vehumet, blasted by a white draconian monk (chilling blast) on Zot:5 (lemuel_lake_of_fire) on 2012-01-09 02:11:49, with 588622 points after 135695 turns and 16:20:13. 17:25:17 <|amethyst> s/close calls/near misses/ 17:25:41 <|amethyst> haven't won since I became a dev 17:26:08 |amethyst: why should you? Now it's your task to make others die! 17:26:11 The dev curse! 17:26:17 I've never won a game as a crawl dev, either. ;) 17:27:22 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:55 -!- lance has quit [Client Quit] 17:30:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:30:42 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:31:03 <|amethyst> !lg dpeg won -1 17:31:04 19. dpeg the Archmage (L27 OpMo), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2013-08-18 12:05:28, with 1615984 points after 172485 turns and 13:14:35. 17:31:13 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:26 <|amethyst> dpeg: neglecting your duties I see :) 17:31:39 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:02 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:33:43 I think samb is working on his first win ever still 17:33:45 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 17:34:05 !lg samb won 17:34:05 No games for samb (won). 17:35:18 |amethyst: yes, badly so :( 17:38:50 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 17:40:27 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:36 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Client Quit] 17:40:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:41:07 -!- tatara has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:45:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:49:35 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:49:36 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:49:39 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 17:49:59 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:57:07 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:57:20 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 17:57:48 |amethyst, what do you think of the note i added 17:58:21 <|amethyst> Naruni: I think the functions should take spell names rather than letters 17:58:28 <|amethyst> and not be restricted to only spells you know 17:58:31 ok 17:59:32 <|amethyst> also, you're never actually returning the mana cost 17:59:58 <|amethyst> and you don't need to return a table at all, just an integer in this case 18:00:32 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:58 |amethyst: why bars? players can already calculate the number from available information 18:01:55 <|amethyst> alefury: does anyone actually do so? 18:02:30 well that is where i dont make the connection between c++ and lua. the function you made l_you_spell_table makes sense because the c++ tells lua 'heres the table' i dont know how to make the c++ accept info from lua saying 'i want hunger cost of spell x' without going about it in a sloppy lua spellname = freeze get_hunger() then having c++ lua_lookup spellname 18:02:33 its silly, but im sure people do it 18:03:00 also the bars are really arbitrary, so using them for a bot would be hard 18:04:13 anyway, giving numbers would not be an information leak, just a spoiler 18:04:48 <|amethyst> Naruni: take a look at some of the other functions I pointed you at: things like you_skill get an argument (with luaL_checkstring) and return a value with PLUARET (or by doing what it does: pushing the result then returning) 18:05:49 <|amethyst> Naruni: see http://www.lua.org/pil/24.html and the next several chapters 18:06:02 -!- Senjai has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:06:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06:56 <|amethyst> Naruni: (PLUARET isn't a standard thing, it's a convenience macro we define in cluautil.h) 18:07:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:55 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:38 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:14:54 -!- Vidiny has quit [Quit: Bit a shark disnae bother chasin fuckin minnows cause that's no gaunnae fuckin well satisfy.] 18:18:45 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19:03 -!- Gotham has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:12 |amethyst, you_skill looks like the type of thing i need, but there is no str_to_spell function and i cant find the str_to_skill function to figure out how to write it. 18:22:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:41 -!- sumguy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:25:33 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:26:19 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27:21 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 18:41:25 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:43:45 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:48 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:45:05 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:14 |amethyst: there's a crapload of other information we could log on public servers 18:45:14 kilobyte: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:45:34 pretty useful for balancing stuff 18:50:59 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:38 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:53:45 -!- Arkaniad|Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:55:09 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:06 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:57:31 <|amethyst> Naruni: spell_by_name (spl-util.cc) 18:57:48 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:00:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:00:30 !tell galehar I wonder, why do you use DCO tags signing patches as done by you when they have been written by someone else? Don't you mean Acked-by: or Reviewed-by:? 19:00:31 kilobyte: OK, I'll let galehar know. 19:02:02 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:59 Wrong tile is displayed for a draconian skeleton by Sar 19:05:59 -!- coyo7e_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:06:16 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:32 -!- Arkaniad|Lappy is now known as Arkaniad 19:10:46 -!- walk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:08 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:20:00 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24:14 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:26:21 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:30 -!- Fusha has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:38:02 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:41:06 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:21 Mantis sends out mails for own actions by chris 19:45:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:54 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:52:01 -!- sacje has quit [Excess Flood] 19:53:13 WAI 19:55:50 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:02:13 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:03:28 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:33 -!- walk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:08:54 -!- inkaruga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:13:26 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:38 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:16:44 Trying to cancel a scroll of vorpalise weapon with Esc vorpalises your current weapon instead by magicpoints 20:17:23 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:35 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:22:43 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:22:54 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 20:23:23 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:20 -!- Arkaniad|Lappy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:35 oh, well-timed report 20:31:08 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2738-g6dfddf1: Make scrolls of vorpalise weapon target a weapon without having to wield it 10(50 minutes ago, 7 files, 97+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dfddf1c4dda 20:31:43 hm i guess that message is misworded but hopefully it's clear what it does 20:31:51 commit message* 20:32:28 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:32:38 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:32:47 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:12 MarvinPA: what do you think of the idea of acquirement creating a temporary shop where you can buy a single item for free? 20:33:30 bh: have you seen crawl light acquirement 20:33:35 mnoqy: nope 20:33:51 -!- Arkaniad|Lappy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:55 it's basically that but without the creating a shop 20:34:05 honestly i think dcss' current approach works better 20:34:25 as far as i can tell from the light approach it just makes the question of what to pick much less of an actual question 20:34:36 yes 20:34:38 this sounds similar 20:35:06 it seems to make it less of a question than even wishes 20:35:24 !lg * max=score xl=min 20:35:25 'min' is not an integer in 'xl=min' 20:35:29 there was also a great thing where if you hung up your terminal you could scum the acq display for good stuff. i think the fix was to make it just kill the scroll if you hung up 20:35:31 !lg * max=score min=xl 20:35:32 2500724. Sapher the Genius of the Arcane (L26 NaWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-10-05 09:05:14, with 65369553 points after 21895 turns and 15:06:14. 20:35:54 though going through a shop would fix that i guess 20:36:06 still, dcss' current approach is better 20:36:11 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:36:15 mnoqy: handing out animal skins? :) 20:36:21 what's wrong with that 20:36:27 though I also don't like acq anyway so 20:36:28 %s/acquirement/regret/ 20:36:50 acq being bad sometimes is an intentional design decision 20:37:00 or so i hear 20:37:18 crawl being bad also... nevermind =P 20:37:54 -!- enygmata has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:40:20 mnoqy: well, large variance is, yes 20:40:20 <|amethyst> if you offer items and there's a real decision to make among them, regret is still a factor 20:40:35 |amethyst: but that's harder to get right! 20:40:45 Requires actual thought and effort. *shudder* 20:41:01 |amethyst: bazaars sometimes have this 20:41:08 <|amethyst> and Kiku 20:41:19 yes 20:41:27 <|amethyst> regret goes hand-in-hand with decisionmaking when the decisions have permanent consequences 20:43:10 |amethyst: agreed. But it will still be hard to come up with an algorithm that creates item choices with high regret potential. 20:43:15 <|amethyst> unless you're talking about mountain dwarves, in which case good riddance :) 20:43:56 * dpeg looks sternly at |amethyst: "Are you with us or with them?" 20:43:57 <|amethyst> dpeg: right, which is why I agree with mnoqy et al that the current system is preferable 20:44:10 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.13-a0-2739-gace2dc1: Update skill training help for Traps removal 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ace2dc1f0b8f 20:44:25 |amethyst: I tried to create more of those decisions: bazaars, Yrdy mirror, Fedhas fruit use. 20:44:35 also: Lugonu altar tease 20:45:15 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:20 In a sense, Ash gear curse is also like this. 20:47:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:49:15 dpeg: I'd like acquirement more if it had some guarantee to give branded items 20:49:34 handing out a mundane helmet or boots is just meh 20:50:03 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:54:19 bh: I actually agree with that. Crappy items are completely fine as acquirement output, but they should look special. 20:54:40 bad randarts are totally kosher 20:55:02 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 20:55:57 It would be cool if the Str/Dex/Int choice was a tougher decision but at least it's way better in that regard than it used to be. 20:56:27 ??which stat 20:56:28 I don't have a page labeled which_stat in my learndb. 20:56:42 hah, henzell doesn't know anymore! 20:57:12 !hs * boring -log 20:57:14 492910. megane, XL27 HaCr, T:338908: Can't find morgue 20:57:15 I wonder what happened there 20:57:18 !hs * boring 20:57:20 492910. megane the Farming Blademaster (L27 HaCr), worshipper of Zin, got out of the dungeon with 16 runes on 2007-08-07 03:35:33, with 3577103 points after 338908 turns and 1d+4:31:40. 20:57:34 -!- underisk has quit [Quit: underisk] 20:59:33 one of those orbless wins 20:59:49 Perhaps we'll be brave enough and try the rune lock for a release or two. That'd be a cool permanent decision, I think. mikee, did you ever comment on this? 21:00:57 dpeg: isn't runelock just barring the stairs on D:15? 21:01:00 -!- Soner has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:02 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:01:53 bh: yes, but the decision you have to make is about which rune to fetch, and even if this is just a choice between Snake and Swamp, say, there will be future decisions about how to do it and what to spend, as you'll be less skilled than currently. 21:02:27 <|amethyst> maybe I'd have better luck with the game if rune lock wasn't the default way I played :) 21:02:38 |amethyst: that's the spirit! :) 21:02:57 |amethyst: turn it from a personal conduct into a general rule -- everyone happy 21:02:57 <|amethyst> !lm . rune s=noun,xl 21:02:58 31 milestones for |amethyst (rune): 12x decaying (5x 15, 2x 14, 2x 12, 17, 16, 21), 5x silver (2x 21, 25, 18, 20), 5x barnacled (3x 16, 2x 17), 4x serpentine (14, 15, 17, 16), 2x gossamer (24, 17), 2x slimy (22, 20), abyssal (19) 21:03:17 <|amethyst> dpeg: That's what Kant's categorical imperative says 21:03:25 dpeg: won't everyone just dive to Branch:$-1? 21:04:02 bh: yes, and players might actually look into Orc:$ and Elf (but I may be talking nonsense -- would be great to have mikee comment)... in the end, they'll have to brave a rune branch end. 21:04:48 Let's stratify runes into greater and lesser and add a lesser rune to Elf :D 21:04:50 <|amethyst> bh: the idea is to prevent people from waiting until XL 20+ to get any runes 21:04:58 <|amethyst> or at least part of the idea 21:04:59 |amethyst: that's my strategy 21:05:19 I don't do Elf until I can tab through it 21:05:22 |amethyst: absolutely. And it is a somewhat mild form, because you have to do it the hard way for just a single rune. 21:05:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:06:02 i don't think that people are afraid of doing orc:4 before lower levels of D 21:06:40 they are generally averse to going into elf early on and probably they still would be though, mostly because of the low amount of xp there 21:06:50 mikee_: Yes, I agree. Do you think that forcing players to do one rune branch end before D:15- would change matters? If so, could it be good in your opinion? 21:06:50 <|amethyst> XP can be tweaked 21:07:02 i think it's potentially good, yes 21:07:14 great to know, many thanks 21:07:17 np 21:07:28 <|amethyst> dpeg: what would D:14 be like? 21:07:32 so far all the good guys seem to support, perhaps I should rally for it once more... one of these years :) 21:07:37 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:08:15 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:08:19 <|amethyst> dpeg: i.e. is the whole level special, or is there a stair vault, or what? 21:08:24 |amethyst: our choice, but for a simple start, it'd have strangely coloured > (or stair tiles) which flash if you enter them with a rune (like the Zot portal flashes). nothing fancy needed for a start 21:08:49 hopefully it works both ways 21:08:53 <|amethyst> we even have sealed stair tiles already :) 21:08:58 shaft below d:15 and you need a rune to get back to your stash =P 21:08:59 |amethyst: awesome! 21:09:05 mikee_: haha 21:09:33 :'( 21:09:35 that obviously needs a little thought but I need to sleep 21:09:45 dpeg: one sec... 21:10:12 yes? 21:10:26 <|amethyst> it would be neat if you could use the hell portal in lair to skip the rune lock 21:10:52 <|amethyst> (currently leaving hell takes you back to the level from which you entered) 21:11:24 |amethyst: yes, talk inevitably leads to how to circumvent the lock... which is okay but somehow hinders advance. So I'll suggest the most simple version, and there'll be no shortage of cool ideas how to skip the lock. 21:11:39 |amethyst: I wish forest could have been a double-sided branch, 'cause the furthest you can go into the woods is half way 21:13:16 <|amethyst> what if your forest is a projective plane 21:13:33 IP² 21:13:59 <|amethyst> (>) - an entrance to the Möbius Crypt 21:14:13 Be sure to bring your Klein bottle! 21:16:08 -!- dpeg is now known as dpeg_away 21:16:58 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:24:25 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:26:27 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:50 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:40:06 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:44:10 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:44:39 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:54:17 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:57:44 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:47 -!- tanner_ has quit [Client Quit] 21:59:35 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02:05 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:07 -!- evablue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:14:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:30 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:33 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:41 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:19:16 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:00 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:22:04 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:23:06 -!- walk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:23:18 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:31:04 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:38:19 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:44:59 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:45:07 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 22:48:26 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:50:54 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:53:52 -!- Soner2 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:50 -!- Soner has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:04 -!- Soner2 is now known as Soner 22:56:38 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:03:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:09:00 -!- Rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 23:09:06 -!- lavos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:09:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:17 -!- sacje has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:14:10 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:14:18 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27:13 $ make android 23:27:19 (let's see how this tablet performs) 23:28:20 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30:40 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:32:27 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:33:35 !lg drie winning -log 23:33:36 No games for drie (winning). 23:33:40 !lg drie win -log 23:33:41 No games for drie (win). 23:33:52 !lg * drie win -log 23:33:52 33. Basil, XL27 DrIE, T:129504: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Basil/morgue-Basil-20130818-053559.txt 23:37:58 -!- anidude has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:10 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2739-gace2dc1 (34) 23:44:56 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Pull the pin and count to what?] 23:50:02 |amethyst, i did it! 23:50:25 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51:17 tatara the Conqueror (L25 MiBe) ASSERT(!aimed_at_feet || source == target) in 'beam.cc' at line 666 failed on turn 80850. (Abyss:1) 23:52:26 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:52:51 !tell |amethyst https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7489#bugnotes 23:52:52 Naruni: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 23:53:23 -!- robotcentaur has left ##crawl-dev 23:54:47 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:53 -!- robotcentaur has left ##crawl-dev 23:59:42 (note to self: make sure all requisite tools are in place before attempting that again) 23:59:45 * Grunt goes to sleep.