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ZZZzzz…] 08:55:18 -!- slifty has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:01:09 03galehar02 07* 0.13-a0-2677-g40eb210: Revert "Bye bye clinging." 10(17 minutes ago, 27 files, 423+ 187-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=40eb210485ae 09:03:18 <|amethyst> I'm still not sure why player clinging is bad... yes, you can do better with a different L3 spell, but it's in completely different schools 09:07:04 it is completely unobvious 09:07:20 <|amethyst> I guess that is true 09:08:01 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:08:11 that you can float as an ice beast is similar, but not so complicated 09:09:39 I'm pretty sure the only reason I know about clinging and have used it to get around liquids is that I was around when it was new and shiny 09:09:58 <|amethyst> not autoexplore? 09:10:04 <|amethyst> oh, right, temporary 09:10:45 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:10:46 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:10:46 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:10:46 -!- slifty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:10:48 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:21 well, it was bad but tolerated 09:12:34 until it became the gimmick's race new gimmick 09:13:01 monster spiders dont even cling anymore, because they are not usually around water 09:13:22 wasn't that the reason spider has all that awful water 09:13:34 wasnt that removed? 09:14:01 i don't play trunk 09:15:39 <|amethyst> alefury: the Spider changes to adjust for lack of clinging were also reverted in galehar's commit 09:15:41 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:15:41 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:16:01 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:21 so the water is there 09:17:25 its back in vaults, not sure about the layout 09:18:31 anyway, I don't really care about clinging, because it doesn't do anything 09:19:17 so if keeping it makes galehar happy I don't mind it staying around 09:19:46 we could also buy him a cake 09:19:49 i'd pitch in 09:20:07 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:09 that's a pretty terrible reason to keep a feature if it doesn't do anything 09:20:21 but at least monster clinging makes you have to avoid the shallow water or something 09:21:59 well the commit mentioned something about "throwing a lot of work away" 09:22:15 which is understandable, but still 09:22:29 <|amethyst> that wasn't the primary justification though 09:22:33 <|amethyst> "it's a distinguishing one, it's thema 09:22:41 <|amethyst> tic and it's working quite well." 09:22:43 <|amethyst> one = feature 09:23:39 well, i disagree with two points, and i don't care about it being thematic, in this particular instance 09:23:47 but i don't feel strongly about it either 09:24:02 -!- browncustard has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:15 -!- blackcustard has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:24:19 -!- browncustard is now known as blackcustard 09:25:44 -!- QQQ is now known as Quashie 09:26:27 btw what happened to destruction 09:27:31 nobody liked it except dpeg 09:27:55 i like getting rid of the current item destruction. not sure about the replacement. 09:27:57 or lots of people actively disliked it, rather 09:29:46 i'm mildly curious 09:30:01 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:07 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:54 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:42:31 -!- whelk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:06 The current one could at least be based on damage. 09:49:24 Like 30 being what happens now (pretty much always destroy one or a couple of things) 09:49:32 above that do nastier stuff 09:49:45 and below do it with increasingly smaller chances and consequences 09:50:07 With <10 damage being nothing happening at all. 09:50:14 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:32 -!- daek_ is now known as daekdroom 09:53:45 <|amethyst> there is currently a notion of burn power, but it mostly depends on the effect (5 for explosions, 3 for penetrating beams, 2 for normal beams, 2 for AF_FIRE, 1 for flaming brand, etc 09:55:30 <|amethyst> with bernoulli(strength, 0.01) chance for each item (roll Nd100, destroy the item if at least one die came up 1) 09:58:06 I still don't get what is good about item destruction. To me it seems like it doesn't accomplish anything useful, but makes me do lots of boring stuff. 09:59:10 well it'd be great if no-cons low-ev didn't suck, regardless of whether the branch happens or not 10:05:22 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller made a patch for that, but I believe it was in a pastebin and don't think it's on mantis anywhere 10:06:16 Somewhere here I have a patch that makes all item destruction damage depend on the amount of damage that was dealt. 10:06:22 <|amethyst> !tell ChrisOelmueller ISTR you made patch to reduce item destruction based on dealt vs received damage... I can't seem to find it now 10:06:23 |amethyst: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know. 10:07:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:42 Handier than I thought it was: http://sprunge.us/KEER 10:11:30 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:40 -!- mnoqy has quit [Client Quit] 10:12:01 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:39 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:13:38 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:38 |amethyst: alefury: if you want to see how that concept would perform, there you go; personally I think it's an improvement, but I don't want to add it in without other people looking at it first. 10:15:55 (... if only because my sense of what an "improvement" is doesn't always line up with everyone else's >_>) 10:16:47 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: oh god how do i internets] 10:17:45 -!- indspenc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:25 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:11 03Grunt02 07* 0.13-a0-2678-g5ee1dac: Add a missing NSUBST to grunt_vaults_end_simple_division (#7403). 10(66 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ee1dac2f032 10:19:51 when has that stopped you before :* 10:20:55 I try to stay away from really controversial changes. 10:21:07 (Not that controversy doesn't follow me around anyway in the eyes of some people.) 10:21:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 10:22:44 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:51 I'm still a little sad I never got profane halls before you nerfed them 10:23:40 i bet they're still bad enough 10:23:44 yeah 10:23:54 they are 10:24:54 what I don't get is why some of the same people who love V:$ hate encompass vaults that play almost the same as V:$ 10:25:16 minus the ambush, i guess 10:25:28 the first thing i ever saw of profane_halls were two tormentors 10:25:30 People have a built-in expectation of V:$ being bad these days. 10:25:34 so i'll shut up before i say something i may regret 10:26:19 also the people who hate late D encompass vaults do so mostly because they take fucking forever to clear 10:26:29 that's not so bad? I mean, you can just kill them, then go back up to heal 10:26:45 I think I got profane_halls once in 0.10. 10:26:47 It was fun. 10:26:56 0.10 didn't have profane_halls, so you're imagining things. 10:27:02 ah 10:27:40 <|amethyst> Grunt: isn't that a significant decrease of even the max chance? 10:27:54 if it is, good patch IMO, apply now! 10:27:55 never got any substantial feedback for pleasuredromes 10:28:04 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:28:26 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:28:26 <|amethyst> Grunt: in bolt::affect_player burn_power went from 5 for explosions, 3 for penetrating, 2 for other beams to either 0 or 1 10:28:34 some people who hate late D encompass vault recently talked about which is worse, pleasuredromes or profane_halls 10:28:36 tenofswords: are you fishing now 10:28:41 |amethyst: you're reading a max as a min. 10:28:53 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh, thank you 10:29:15 (I know that immediately because I initially entered it in as a min and wondered why the change seemed too drastic.) 10:29:28 Don't suppose there's any desire to add new temple maps. 10:29:33 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:56 if I didn't completely lose faith in crawl I might have trivially nerfed pleasuredromes 10:30:00 We have plenty of temple maps right now; if you want to design something, you'd be better off focusing your efforts elsewhere if you want to add something in value :) 10:30:06 s/in v/of v/ 10:30:08 but that's neither here, nor there 10:30:23 <|amethyst> not to say that temple maps would be rejected, but they're not a priority at all 10:30:52 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:31:21 what would be priorities 10:32:18 <|amethyst> map-wise I'm not sure... in general, bug fixes would be nice so we can have a release sometime in the not-too-distant future 10:33:10 absolutego: reaching for the sun 10:33:27 <|amethyst> how about removing gnolls from Lair? 10:33:48 agreeable enough 10:34:16 I've been fiddling with some Temple maps as an entry exercise to digging around in Crawl's innards. Just wondered if I should submit any nice ones I end up with or not. 10:34:30 By all means. 10:36:02 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:37:09 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2679-ga2beab4: Axe an unused function. 10(7 days ago, 2 files, 0+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2beab4cc4ed 10:37:09 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2680-g65ff1ef: Revert "Remove player clinging". 10(34 minutes ago, 11 files, 92+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65ff1ef47097 10:37:09 03kilobyte02 07* 0.13-a0-2681-gff71269: Don't let unborn drop invalid corpses. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff7126909083 10:37:35 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:37:39 -!- vladimir has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:43 <|amethyst> ♥ 10:38:10 hi all 10:38:26 ♦ 10:38:53 does anybody know how to deal with 'Another game is already in progress using this save!' problem? 10:39:12 <|amethyst> vladimir: if it's on a server, you can wait for it to time out, which usually is less than 15 minutes 10:39:25 <|amethyst> which server and user? if it's CSZO or CAO I can speed that along 10:39:36 http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080 10:40:01 actually, my acc is frozen for 110h already ( 10:40:15 <|amethyst> what's your user name on the server? I don't see a 'vladimir' listed there? 10:40:26 DreamWalker I use this name 10:40:39 Sprint trunl 10:40:41 Sprint trunk 10:40:47 <|amethyst> yep, Aug07 10:40:48 <|amethyst> hm 10:41:12 So I created another acc, WalkingDream and today I got the same message... (( 10:42:24 so we're reimplementing a buggy, mostly-useless, overcomplicated mechanic because why exactly? 10:42:26 So basically, I have to 'frozen' games... it's kinda annoing to register a new user every time 10:42:30 <|amethyst> it sounds kind of like you still had a browser window open somewhere, but I'm not certain... usually if you lose your connection it will time out eventually 10:42:45 <|amethyst> or did this happen the first time? 10:43:01 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: is it buggy? 10:43:17 (Of course it's buggy; spiders are involved.) 10:43:51 <|amethyst> vladimir: okay, I terminated both of those crawl processes 10:44:10 <|amethyst> vladimir: is this happening every time you connect, or are you losing your connection? 10:44:24 I know if I have 2 browsers open it happens, but in my case I run browser on my working PC, then when I go home I hibernate PC 10:44:25 yes there's a bunch of issues on mantis, lots of things related to having surfaces dug out or otherwise removed while something is clinging and so on 10:45:18 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:20 it's really weard, I can't tell exact scenario, to be honest. 10:45:33 I suspect that some sort of timeout is involved 10:46:04 I am sure it happens after losing the connection 10:47:52 I'll try to get the scenario to reproduce the bug, but I am not sure that I'll be able to do it... 10:48:00 Anyway thanks 10:49:34 03Grunt02 07* 0.13-a0-2682-gb26bf1a: Reduce the weight of encompass vaults on D:$. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b26bf1a1091b 10:49:59 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:50:15 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:57 -!- vladimir has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:53:00 Is there a way I can use Wizard mode (or some other means) to zap myself to a specific temple and check it out in the game? 10:53:20 Give your temple definition WEIGHT: 100000 or something and then go to Temple in your game :) 10:56:33 Makes sense. Thanks. 11:04:47 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:23 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:31 -!- Chizzley has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:10:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:10:15 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:12:53 -!- Quashie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:24:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:26:11 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27:39 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:33:44 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:36 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 11:36:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:37:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:48 !messages 11:39:49 No messages for ontoclasm. 11:40:14 -!- indspenc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:26 -!- yokelz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:41:53 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:50:31 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:57:46 -!- Chizzley has quit [Client Quit] 11:59:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:28 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:16:53 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2682-gb26bf1a (34) 12:17:53 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:22:35 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:28 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:24:45 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:28 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:49 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:27:37 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:16 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:33:16 -!- Gotham has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:58 Clinging while confused allows stepping into deep water by MarvinPA 12:42:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:01 Clinging players can be trampled into deep water and drown by MarvinPA 12:47:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:50:30 -!- GiantOwl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:51:39 i'm pretty sure there's more, wind drakes etc 12:52:52 yeah wind drakes push you off walls and you cling to nothing 12:57:06 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:58:08 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 12:58:26 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:05:08 so sdl 2.0 has finally been released 13:07:55 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:09:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:21 MarvinPA: maybe you should talk to galehar about it? 13:15:32 MarvinPA: i think mostly hes just pissed because a feature he put a lot of work into got removed without much discussion, and especially without discussing it with him. 13:16:16 <-- looking for food now 13:16:20 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 22.0/20130626043228]] 13:17:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:00 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:22:34 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:56 -!- valtern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:18 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:28:53 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:29:07 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 13:36:54 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:21 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:51:47 -!- fdel is now known as Nexos 13:52:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:04:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:06:48 -!- Gotham_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:34 -!- Gotham has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:20:24 -!- moxian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:21:23 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:19 <|amethyst> keep in mind that galehar didn't revert MarvinPA's change 14:24:33 <|amethyst> galehar's objection was to removing monster clinging 14:24:43 <|amethyst> it was kilobyte who objected to having one but not the other 14:24:51 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:25:44 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:12 -!- indspenc_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:11 <|amethyst> does temple_statues really not lead to disconnects and teleport closets? 14:29:27 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:18 <|amethyst> doesn't it need mini_float to ensure that the traversable square is connected to the level? 14:30:34 <|amethyst> or transparent 14:31:00 One, it's not a minivault, so mini_float is irrelevant. 14:31:06 <|amethyst> oh, duh 14:31:10 <|amethyst> orient: float 14:31:20 Two, there are separate checks in the dungeon builder to ensure that branch entries are connected properly to the rest of the level. 14:31:27 <|amethyst> ah 14:32:01 <|amethyst> okay then :) 14:34:09 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:08 -!- gvdm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:12 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:00 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 14:44:21 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:45:42 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:01 -!- thann has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:49 gargoyles are breathless, but can't pass through deep water? 14:54:53 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 14:55:03 <|amethyst> their bandages fall apart 14:55:07 <|amethyst> oh wait 14:55:55 <|amethyst> might be a little difficult to come up with a flavour justification that wouldn't also apply to statue form 14:56:58 <|amethyst> and grey dracs do walk along the bottom, so even that would have inconsistencies 14:59:43 make grey dracs true swimmers that do breathe 14:59:55 or just remove them, they're boring 15:00:25 -!- tani has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:02:08 "You enter the deep water. Your scales fall off. You die..." 15:07:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:52 i'm down with removal 15:11:03 give the crap lopsided apts to yellow dracs if you must 15:13:47 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 15:17:54 removal of? 15:21:10 can't you go up 5 or 6 lines :p 15:22:18 no, i joined right before you said "i'm down with removal" =P 15:24:39 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:25:31 grey dracs are a lot less boring than yellow dracs currently at least 15:26:30 i'd rather be grey than yellow in just about any set of circumstances, fwiw 15:27:08 <|amethyst> ??crawldev 15:27:09 crawldev[1/1]: The IRC channel for Crawl development and design. Many but not all devs frequent the channel. To join, "/join ##crawl-dev". Logs are at http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ . 15:27:13 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: see the last URL :) 15:27:32 see also the topic 15:27:57 oh hey, i never noticed that :) 15:30:57 -!- antrees has quit [Client Quit] 15:31:01 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:31:01 -!- inpho_ is now known as inpho 15:31:09 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:59 it is a little weird that grey dracs can walk through deep water but gargoyles can't. but it's not that big a deal however it gets resolved 15:32:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32:29 elliptic: but they're inconsistent 15:32:33 so how about merging them 15:33:45 merging grey dracs and gargoyles? 15:33:47 With blacks able to fly over and having a breath weapon, it makes grays inferior. 15:34:09 -!- absolutego has left ##crawl-dev 15:34:15 well, if i were to talk about an "inferior" draconian type, i'd vote for yellow 15:34:21 but it's still a draconian, so it's still good 15:36:03 bonus AC is great the entire game, breath weapons are situational and of varying usefulness 15:36:28 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:51 Gray's are the only kind without any breath weapon though. 15:37:27 yellow, white, purple effectively have no breath weapon 15:38:24 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:46 <|amethys1> ugh, CSZO's network connectivity just bottomed out 15:39:55 <|amethys1> I get >50% packet loss to all three IPs 15:40:15 -!- |amethyst has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:40:19 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 15:45:07 -!- purge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:24 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:37 oh wonderful 15:50:10 is it just me or has it just been sporadically bad a lot more often since the move? 15:50:28 <|amethyst> yes, it's been worse since the move 15:50:39 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:51:38 ok, so it's not some latent bias on my part at least =P 15:52:51 Everything seemed fine. 15:53:01 And then the move happened and suddenly cszo went to crap. :c 15:54:37 they left too many packets on the truck that broke down 15:55:13 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:12 -!- kunwon1 is now known as GhostInZSH 15:56:44 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 15:57:10 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:15 -!- |amethyst has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:57:23 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 16:01:59 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:07:40 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:57 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:09:34 [ask] me about network performance management software as a service 16:10:05 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:10:40 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:10:52 -!- slifty|avoiding_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:13:26 <|amethyst> Eronarn: go talk to my ISP 16:13:33 <|amethyst> maybe you could sell them something 16:14:27 |amethyst: one of the common use cases for us is being able to fingerpoint to the ISP, but that really only works if you have leverage with them 16:14:58 if you're just a customer in a datacenter, there's a lot of layers to fight through 16:15:27 <|amethyst> they've had quite a few failing switches since the move 16:15:39 but there is a surprising amount of stuff like 'cable got severed' or 'someone installed it with the wrong cable' 16:16:36 <|amethyst> maybe they're just not used to Florida's heat and humidity... but the data center they're in should be 16:17:29 |amethyst: must be all the http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/bugs.gif 16:18:32 <|amethyst> they're now, afaict, a subsidiary of a based-in-the-south hosting company 16:19:10 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:26 i actually do have a free license for our monitoring stuff 16:19:33 unfortunately, I don't have a great place to install the hardware 16:19:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:59 my housemate doesn't want it on our local network because he runs a miniature hosting company out of our kitchen 16:20:14 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:20:16 <|amethyst> can't you just have two LANs? 16:20:26 <|amethyst> put your stuff on the monitored one, his on the other 16:21:57 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:22:26 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:22:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:22:57 i suppose I should find out what our network is actually like some time 16:24:08 about all I know is that if you use the house's wired connection, you're DMZed, whereas wireless is normal domestic intertubes 16:26:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 16:26:42 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:28:19 -!- faze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:03 -!- maha has quit [Client Quit] 16:47:17 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:49:23 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:51:19 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:52:00 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:54:42 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:54:44 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:39 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:59:33 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:01:34 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 17:02:15 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:49 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:02:57 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:02 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:31 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:48 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:27 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 278 seconds] 17:06:29 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:06:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: No buffer space available] 17:06:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:09 -!- KorpsDeKrieg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:42 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:10:43 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:12:33 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:04 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:55 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:19:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:23:16 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:38 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:32 I'm considering starting to contribute; at least on a pet project. All my past (games) coding experience is in 3D physics and pathfinding...and in Unity script (unique to the Unity game engine which is a combination of C#, .NET and engine-unique libraries). People in regular #crawl keep telling me to talk to someone here, but I'm not exactly sure what to say (or if I want to commit right now). 17:26:46 -!- Chozo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:26:56 -!- Chozo_ is now known as Chozo 17:27:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:30 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:27:49 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:28:54 <|amethyst> I'd recommend starting with bugfixes and implementables first 17:30:33 <|amethyst> to get a feel of the code base, coding style, git procedures, etc 17:30:50 <|amethyst> and also so we get a feel for your code etc 17:31:29 <|amethyst> if it's new features, it's good to talk them over 17:32:00 <|amethyst> so you don't write something that would be rejected for design (rather than code) reasons 17:33:47 <|amethyst> my first "big" project (not that big really), before I was a dev, was the Twisted Resurrection rewrite; that was based on a design of kilobyte's (and maybe others, but he wrote the implementable) 17:34:24 <|amethyst> and bugfixes are always good, especially this late in the release cycle 17:34:56 <|amethyst> "cycle" 17:35:28 -!- gvdm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:03 "cycle"? hah 17:36:19 several devs here got their start on projects/implementables i once considered working on 17:36:29 <|amethyst> recently it's been about 3200 commits per version 17:36:33 <|amethyst> %git 17:36:34 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-2682-gb26bf1a: Reduce the weight of encompass vaults on D:$. 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b26bf1a1091b 17:36:41 <|amethyst> %git 0.12-b1^ 17:36:41 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-3213-g7938f4a: Fix +Blink randart property not being identified on equip 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7938f4afc1f8 17:36:44 <|amethyst> %git 0.11-b1^ 17:36:44 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-3208-g6835b8b: Denzi's sixfirhy, silent spectre, and seraph tiles (#6057). 10(1 year ago, 4 files, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6835b8b476b8 17:36:47 <|amethyst> %git 0.10-b1^ 17:36:47 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-3216-ge6c29e3: Properly clean up gone monsters in the Abyss. 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6c29e3fd99e 17:37:00 <|amethyst> not counting things made after the freeze 17:37:02 %git 0.4-b1^ 17:37:02 Could not find commit 0.4-b1^ (git returned 128) 17:37:16 %git 0.7-b1^ 17:37:16 Could not find commit 0.7-b1^ (git returned 128) 17:37:19 <|amethyst> those tags started with 0.6 and changed in 0.9 17:37:22 ah 17:37:27 <|amethyst> %git 0.6.0-a1^ 17:37:27 07by02 * 0.6.0-a0-2244-g66bf04b: Fix moves.target getting out of sync with ray in targetting. 10(3 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 17+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66bf04b8445e 17:37:31 <|amethyst> %git 0.7.0-a1^ 17:37:31 07due02 * 0.7.0-a0-2657-g89ebc6a: Give warpers dispersal darts. (Mantis #1823). 10(3 years, 2 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=89ebc6aedccc 17:37:33 <|amethyst> %git 0.8.0-a1^ 17:37:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.8.0-a0-6190-g3786674: Alter clouds in old cset_unicode to �. 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3786674f8fa4 17:37:41 <|amethyst> %git 0.6.0-a2^ 17:37:41 07dpeg02 * 0.6.0-a1-3389-ga34167e: Update CREDITS. 10(3 years, 6 months ago, 1 file, 31+ 30-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a34167eee6ef 17:37:49 <|amethyst> %git 0.6.0-a3^ 17:37:49 Could not find commit 0.6.0-a3^ (git returned 128) 17:37:54 <|amethyst> %git 0.6.0-rc1^ 17:37:54 07jpeg02 {doy} * 0.6.0-a2-610-g8f96df4: Add new website to the changelog because why not? (cherry picked from commit e2cf5e1147e997f8835d090d0201d8a841715e49) 10(3 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f96df4ff0c9 17:38:20 <|amethyst> so more like 6000 commits in those days 17:38:35 <|amethyst> %git 0.7.0-a1^ 17:38:35 07due02 * 0.7.0-a0-2657-g89ebc6a: Give warpers dispersal darts. (Mantis #1823). 10(3 years, 2 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=89ebc6aedccc 17:38:42 <|amethyst> %git 0.7.0-rc1^ 17:38:42 07neunon02 {greensnark} * 0.7.0-a1-204-gbf76098: rltiles: fix build on Mac OS X x86_64 10(3 years, 1 month ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf76098d5cc1 17:38:53 <|amethyst> %git 0.8.0-a1^ 17:38:53 07kilobyte02 * 0.8.0-a0-6190-g3786674: Alter clouds in old cset_unicode to �. 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3786674f8fa4 17:38:55 <|amethyst> %git 0.8.0-rc1^ 17:38:55 07kilobyte02 * 0.8.0-a1-214-g3c00115: Don't prompt for stat-death items when already <= 0. (cherry picked from commit 5db338104502899a62214ba3178e105aafc232e6) 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c00115c27d8 17:39:11 <|amethyst> well, in 0.6 and 0.8; 0.7 was more in line with recent releases 17:39:20 <|amethyst> %git 0.6.0^ 17:39:20 07doy02 * 0.6.0-rc4-15-gfbe6be0: update changelog with actual release date (cherry picked from commit 9e775b7ac87f2f6ff800bf0c0cf7ece8842a693a) 10(3 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbe6be0bc19c 17:39:28 <|amethyst> %git 0.6.0-0a^ 17:39:28 Could not find commit 0.6.0-0a^ (git returned 128) 17:39:31 <|amethyst> %git 0.6.0-a0^ 17:39:31 07jpeg02 * rf4bb02dd66fd: * AutoID rings of teleport control after teleporting. * Fix 2788773: Infinite scroll uses by clicking on a stack in tiles. * Fix 2792095: Tiled menus possibly containing more than 52 items. * Fix clicking on items not setting just_clicked_on_item until after the effect happened. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 6 files, 54+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4bb02dd66fd 17:39:48 <|amethyst> %git 0.5^ 17:39:49 07jpeg02 * rcf7c5ab387af: * Add a hack to make the right bracket of the weight information show up up in tiled inventories. Still doesn't work with tile_menu_icons = true but at least it looks nice otherwise. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf7c5ab387af 17:40:05 <|amethyst> wonder why it's not finding tags for those 17:40:20 might not be tagged 17:40:27 <|amethyst> tags do exist for the earlier releases 17:40:33 %git :/svn 17:40:36 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-538-g63922d7: A tool to run multiple tests concurrently, or without a terminal. 10(11 months ago, 2 files, 96+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63922d786377 17:40:37 <|amethyst> aha 17:40:41 <|amethyst> yeah 17:40:53 <|amethyst> that commit had a git-svn-id 17:41:20 <|amethyst> you can also tell because the first line isn't separated from the rest, so the "subject" is quite long 17:41:51 <|amethyst> %git :/git-svn-id 17:41:53 07jpeg02 {greensnark} * r0a9bc55e9cd6: Change part of the z/Z handling: 10(4 years, 1 month ago, 5 files, 28+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a9bc55e9cd6 17:42:16 <|amethyst> %git 53187e6 17:42:16 07neunon02 * 0.6.0-a0-663-g53187e6: rltiles: add makefile.mac for Mac OS X builds 10(3 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 40+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53187e6f7e98 17:42:18 <|amethyst> %git 53187e6^ 17:42:18 07dolorous02 * 0.6.0-a0-662-g82cedf8: Comment fix. 10(3 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=82cedf838de9 17:42:25 <|amethyst> the first true git commit 17:42:32 <|amethyst> hm 17:42:45 <|amethyst> no 17:43:18 true git 17:43:19 <|amethyst> neunon's is 17:43:46 Svn isn't something I've used too much either...touched on it in the Sonic modding community, but found that directly coding in hex is too annoying to deal with... 17:44:39 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:45:00 <|amethyst> huh? 17:45:49 <|amethyst> oh, those two things (svn and writing machine code) weren't supposed to be related 17:46:22 <|amethyst> git works quite differently, so maybe the less you know about svn the better 17:46:50 <|amethyst> things like "add" and "commit" have rather different meanings 17:47:31 svn is pretty subversive <_< 17:47:33 <|amethyst> or not necessarily different meanings so much as being used different things 17:47:38 <|amethyst> s/used/used for/ 17:48:26 <|amethyst> commit it git does mostly the same thing as in CVS/svn for example, it's just that you're doing it to your local repo, not the official one; and it works with the "index", not the working directory directly 17:48:49 <3 GhostInZSH 17:53:02 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:53:26 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:56:19 -!- haqe17 has quit [Quit: NNnNNnnNnN] 18:01:06 SVN is just a way of online storage and version control IIRC... 18:03:05 <|amethyst> likewise git, which is what we use 18:03:41 <|amethyst> if you're going to work on crawl, you should be using git, even if you can't push your commits directly to our repo 18:04:01 <|amethyst> also look over docs/develop/ 18:04:26 i used svn once for a project only i was working on, and it was fine 18:04:39 then i used it for a group project and it was terrible 18:04:42 -!- Gotham_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:54 and eventually we switched to git 18:05:01 Maybe it could be good experience for me; now that I realize...since I'm so used to working alone rather than in other people's code. 18:05:05 like crawl did, but not the same project at all 18:09:01 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:49 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:26 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:31 -!- whelk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:42 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:33:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:36:59 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:04 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:27 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:09 -!- Grathtarg has quit [Client Quit] 18:41:35 -!- daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:41:50 -!- thann has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:42:56 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 18:44:19 -!- thann has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:48:42 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49:39 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:09 -!- thann has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:00:42 -!- thann has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:45 -!- maha has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:08:09 stupid question about building trunk locally in ubuntu 19:08:15 how am i misspecifying the data directory here? 19:08:16 sudo make install prefix=/opt/crawl SAVEDIR=~/.crawl DATADIR=data/ 19:08:23 it builds but can't find the data files when i'm done 19:08:38 the datadir bit was my best stab at it from looking at the makefile comments 19:14:32 Say, is it intentional to become Zin's champion in round 1 of thunderdome with a 22g tithe? 19:14:58 Things are pretty fast in there, but that seems a little gratuitous. 19:15:01 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:18:52 -!- sacje has quit [Excess Flood] 19:19:28 evilmike acknowledged that Zin was probably pretty broken as far as arenasprint was concerned. 19:20:02 ackack, possibly DATADIR=/opt/crawl/data/ 19:20:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:21:00 Toss it up on Mantis if it's not there, or is it a "feature"? 19:21:54 -!- tgcid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:34:48 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:35:00 grunt: i'll give that a try, thanks 19:35:21 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:35:27 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:36 Speaking of arenasprint. 19:35:50 Add some scrolls of vorpalise weapon in there? 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Forest also isn't very complex, having tried it a couple of times. Newcrypt, however, is decent. 23:15:23 s/the only/they only/ 23:16:12 and your example of something more substantial is... clinging 23:16:20 Not substantial, complex. 23:16:33 Has an interesting little pattern to it. 23:16:51 Forest is much more substantial, but you still treat it much like the rest of the game. 23:16:59 Kill things, avoid some thing, blast some things. 23:17:07 .... 23:17:21 hokay then 23:17:25 What did I do wrong? 23:18:56 well, i didn't make them, but you are essentially saying that you think the ability for spiders to sometimes walk past water is cooler than 5 enormous project which took multiple people months of work 23:19:15 Is this unusual? 23:19:31 Also, when did I use the word "cooler"? 23:19:33 uh, no, but it doesn't make it any less irritating to hear it 23:19:38 Oh, sorry. 23:19:53 I don't mean to hurt people's minds with what I say. 23:20:17 if it's what you think, then you should say it 23:20:37 but if you do, then i'm gonna try and explain why you're wrong 23:21:53 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:23:03 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:24:25 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:18 (I am wrong! =D Now I'm imagining now all my brain and nerves and muscles and such are defined as wrong, and likewise what it would mean if a such a collection was right.) Isn't it the thought or process that's wrong? Anyway; it's a difference of direction or dimension of measurement, I understand the races and areas are inevitable expansion and not something that aught to be stopped, but likewise they 23:26:20 only include little pieces of depth here and there; like coulds placing on monster death, or having a buffer of monsters not yet placed on a map ready to come on a combat-based trigger. 23:26:44 (Should this be taken to a /msg?) 23:27:14 -!- Rebenga has quit [Quit: Goodbye, World] 23:27:52 Nivim: he means how you are wrong in thinking this, not in general 23:28:11 Yeah. Hopefully. Probably. 23:29:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:36:42 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:41:01 I was thinking about making a minotaur unique for late-game that's an exec axe wielder of mahkleb 23:41:13 It would have perhaps greater destruct and greater servant 23:41:59 Does that seem like a bad idea to anyone? 23:44:13 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2682-gb26bf1a (34) 23:45:23 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:50:37 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:51:07 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:02 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.]