00:01:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2561-ge340899 (34) 00:01:46 -!- Xenobreeder|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:02:05 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:02:05 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:05:36 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2561-ge340899 (34) 00:07:50 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:12:14 -!- heteroy has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 00:12:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:43 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:33 ??unwon 00:23:34 unwon[1/1]: All 627 race/class combinations in 0.12 have been won on one of the servers in version 0.11 or later. 00:25:15 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:29 !unwon 00:25:35 19 combos won zero times: DjAE DjAs DjEn(jeanjacques) DjHu(JINNI) DjNe DjSk DjTm DjVM DjWz(oogabooga) GrFE GrSk(coolrobin,qoala) LOAE LOAs LOCj LOEn LOIE LOSu(Jeremie) LOVM(Ebonnov) LOWr 00:29:50 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:31:53 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:33 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:30 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:27 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 00:43:03 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:45 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:17 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:52:06 -!- Sprort has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:45 -!- Sprort has quit [Client Quit] 00:56:49 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:36 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:25 -!- Sprort has quit [Client Quit] 00:59:26 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:47 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 01:05:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:48 -!- heteroy has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 01:08:38 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:14 !unwon 01:12:20 19 combos won zero times: DjAE DjAs DjEn(jeanjacques) DjHu(JINNI) DjNe DjSk DjTm DjVM DjWz(oogabooga) GrFE GrSk(coolrobin,qoala) LOAE LOAs LOCj LOEn LOIE LOSu(Jeremie) LOVM(Ebonnov) LOWr 01:15:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:28:21 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:31:14 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:41:16 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:45:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:54:56 -!- KellDiviner has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:56:16 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:57:09 -!- Cunnus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:58:50 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:00 -!- Neovanglist has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:18 Quick question about Henzell - it references def.logs and def.stones in the README 01:59:27 I can't find an example of these files anywhere 01:59:36 but I did find sources.yml that seems to store similar flavour data? 02:02:50 <|amethyst> Neovanglist: all that stuff has been moved to YAML, yes 02:02:50 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:04:01 |amethyst: ok cool - are there any docs on how that should be setup/deployed? 02:04:04 -!- Naruni has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:04:28 I've followed the inline comments and it seems to be running ok (after porting one of those pgsql libs to 9.2....) however nothing is in it's learndb/etc 02:04:52 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:12 I'm also a bit unclear what the base path should be set to (dcss prefix or dat/) 02:06:01 <|amethyst> I don't know Henzell very well unfortunately 02:06:31 np :) 02:06:38 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:08:22 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:33 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:10 -!- Alexor has quit [] 02:19:56 any idea what they refer to by "rawdata" path wise? 02:20:05 is this like the rcs/ folder for webtiles? 02:20:54 Neovanglist: can't you look at the existing entries? 02:21:15 SamB: they kind of just refer to whatever those existing deployment environments were 02:21:22 That said, I got into source and got some more info 02:21:34 looks like it's DGL's morgue dir 02:22:07 (so yeah, rcs/) 02:22:23 -!- sk3 is now known as k2grey 02:22:25 -!- k2grey is now known as ktgrey 02:22:48 Neovanglist: couldn't you open those in your browser and poke around too ... 02:25:13 open what in my browser, sorry? 02:25:21 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:26:01 ls 02:26:05 bah 02:26:33 !lg 02:26:33 5. 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[2013-07-23 17:24:30] BeardTony the Eclecticist (L15 DjCj) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 424 failed on turn 46491. (D:15) 12:50:12 Nice 12:50:12 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:50:38 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:53:12 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:37 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:35 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:58 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2563-g20a8841: Change how Spirit Wolves work somewhat 10(23 hours ago, 5 files, 56+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20a8841cf364 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2564-g6f007d9: Buff Giant Fireflies 10(20 hours ago, 3 files, 59+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f007d93b95d 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2565-gf504fa9: Increase spriggan rider hp, raise EV to match that of their mounts 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f504fa9b7ab7 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2566-g7452920: Thin giant fireflies a little from some early vaults 10(18 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74529203639d 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2567-g95d56f9: Adjust Gargoyle defenses 10(69 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95d56f92b418 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2568-g5f5b25e: Boost statue form's defenses for gargoyles 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f5b25ea26f4 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2569-g98f3daa: Reduce elemental wellspring hp slightly, reduce chance of summoning elementals 10(48 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=98f3daa54eaf 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2570-gb82d040: Remove deflect missiles from Tengu Reavers, nudge a little deeper in D 10(48 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b82d040b3677 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2571-g386241e: Slightly increase chance of Spriggan Berserkers having an antimagic weapon 10(45 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=386241e36da9 13:01:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2572-gafaf244: Buff Thorn Hunters 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=afaf2447a597 13:01:35 ... and 3 more commits 13:03:52 " Remove deflect missiles from Tengu Reavers" DracoOmega bestdev 13:04:33 I'd actually been thinking of doing that for a while, but never actually did 13:04:58 It was terrible, awful for them to have that, given how ridiculous their numbers are/were in so many other ways 13:05:19 well it's kind of bad for almost anything to have inherent dmsl probably 13:06:18 I think about 3 things have it where you might actually care that they do, currently 13:06:24 i liked that they had it 13:06:28 There's Kirke too, but eh 13:06:32 it meant you sometimes had to change tactics 13:06:36 Since when has anyone noticed or cared that she has deflect? :P 13:06:43 Anyone backing Jim Shepard's Dungeonmans in Kickstarter? 13:07:08 I noticed last night 13:07:12 I think it's too much to expect some builds to change tactics maybe, like what if you're using a ranged weapon 13:07:23 but oh well, switch to great mace and a couple whacks :) 13:07:24 also I have no idea what that is, is it something I should care about 13:07:45 Well, Kirke also has 10 EV, so it does much much less 13:07:58 (And isn't very scary most times, anyway) 13:08:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:28 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:12 the only thing that would make DracoOmega a better dev is commiting linesprint [subtle hint] 13:09:18 haha 13:09:33 This is the first I have even heard of its existence, I think 13:10:31 I do just in general think it's weird that whwnever something is expected to "change tactics" the correct tactic to change to often feels like it's supposed to be melee 13:10:46 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7375 13:10:48 and there aren't very many (if any) things that expect melee to change tactics 13:11:21 at least they're not expected to stop using melee 13:11:35 Well, there are certainly times when ranged stuff could help, if they had it 13:11:42 yes why is linesprint not in trunk yet 13:11:45 MarvinPA has played it even!! 13:12:03 <|amethyst> !tell Grunt did you see #7410 "Ozo's fridge does not damage the invisible" ? 13:12:04 |amethyst: OK, I'll let grunt know. 13:12:10 Then maybe he should commit it? (To be honest, I feel vaguely uncomfortable commiting things for a mode of the game that I have virtually never played) 13:12:21 people cannot handle the biting commentary of linesprint 13:12:32 it's concepts are too high 13:12:37 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: just make sure you rename the file so you don't overwrite Red Sonja 13:12:38 it's symbolism too deep 13:13:03 linesprint high concept: "what if you were playing Crawl, but you were basically just going in a line, like really just going in a line" 13:13:31 SwissStopwatch: well, the reason for that is that "shoot it to death with conjurations / a longbow" is effective and quite safe against nearly everything 13:13:51 IMO DracoOmega should overwrite red sonja 13:13:55 someone has to do it eventually when adding new sprints 13:14:11 I'm pretty sure beating something to death with a great mace or bardiche is also effective and safe against nearly everything done competently 13:14:12 <|amethyst> elliott: only when we reach xxvii 13:14:22 also you need nooodl's patch or whatever 13:14:24 if he implemented it 13:14:26 for the sprint order 13:14:31 |amethyst: I think the refrige issue is the same one you spotted with malign offering 13:14:41 wow so we all need to start writing new sprints to get to 28 so we can dump Red Sonja? Well then 13:14:49 |amethyst: The iterator is skipping things you can't see 13:14:59 re changing tactics: that is distinct from "disabling everything you are good at" which is arguably something crawl is getting too much of these days 13:15:04 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: yeah 13:15:06 i implemented it, technically 13:15:12 but the C++ is so bad you might as well rewrite it 13:15:40 |amethyst: Arguably the iterator shouldn't do this. I would have thought the expected behavior is just 'in your LoS' and not 'in your LoS and visible to you' 13:16:08 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: it's easy enough to get that; you just pass agent->get_los instead of agent 13:16:16 <|amethyst> agent->get_los() that is 13:16:29 Hmmm... I suppose 13:16:34 why do people put their sprints in red_sonja.des anyway 13:16:35 <|amethyst> But I'm not 100% sure about the interaction with LOS_SOLID here 13:16:42 is that so it shows up at the top of the list... 13:17:17 you have to put it somewhere 13:18:42 |amethyst: To be honest, I'm not even 100% sure what all of the los levels mean 13:19:16 |amethyst: Like, what's LOS_SOLID_SEE and how is it different than LOS_SOLID? 13:19:59 Or is that for stuff you can see via scrying, but is actually on the other side of solid walls? 13:20:32 <|amethyst> LOS_SOLID is blocked only by solid objects 13:21:07 Oh, so does that ignore fog entirely or something? 13:21:10 <|amethyst> LOS_SOLID_SEE is also blocked by two clouds in a row, or an opaque monster (mimics mostly) 13:21:14 <|amethyst> yeah 13:21:23 <|amethyst> see losparam.cc for the definitions 13:21:31 <|amethyst> of opacity_*::operator() 13:25:43 -!- Cunnus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:29:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:30:20 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:35 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:35 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:00 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:56 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:53 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:22 03DracoOmega 07* 0.13-a0-2576-g83314a3: Fix some issues relating to LoS attack spells 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 32+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=83314a393d6b 13:59:35 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:02:19 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:29 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:44 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:04:15 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:08:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:09:34 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:25 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:16:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:16:07 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:43 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 14:24:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:07 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:01 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:06 -!- Morg0th has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:29:59 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: thanks 14:30:32 <|amethyst> !msg Grunt never mind, DracoOmega took care of it in 0.13-a0-2576-g83314a3 14:30:32 <|amethyst> !tell Grunt never mind, DracoOmega took care of it in 0.13-a0-2576-g83314a3 14:30:33 |amethyst: OK, I'll let grunt know. 14:31:06 -!- Fourtranny has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:31:09 -!- Cunnus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:35:00 -!- axujen has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:35:39 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:36:15 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:01 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:47:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:51:49 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:37 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:03 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:00:59 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:56 DracoOmega: was there ever a ticket for the crash? i looked around when i started investigating, but i never saw one 15:04:15 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:05:08 also, maybe we should be logging the assertion failures that come to this channel in a more structured way? because ... 15:05:11 !lm * crash milestone=~ASSERT(mindex s=name 15:05:11 57 milestones for * (crash milestone=~ASSERT(mindex): 16x squid, 7x edwinsage, 5x Jazzimus, 4x Nazgul, 3x BountyHunterSAx, 3x Tolias, 3x BeardTony, 3x whig, 2x dhela, SenorPwnage, ackack, Sethra, demonblade, Talesweaver, Alethiolet, lessens, BoredOne, quayzong, MoogleDan, Vizer 15:05:37 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:05:41 that's like 15 people, and none of them made a ticket 15:05:53 <|amethyst> I thought there was one 15:06:17 Um, I reported mine here, if it matters. 15:07:30 Nivim: :) 15:07:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:44 <|amethyst> yeah, I'm not finding anything on mantis either 15:10:34 !lm . crash milestone=~ASSERT(mindex s=name 15:10:34 One milestone for ackack (crash milestone=~ASSERT(mindex): ackack 15:10:39 !lm . crash milestone=~ASSERT(mindex 15:10:39 1. [2013-06-05 15:17:23] ackack the Shatterer (L16 TrBe) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 403 failed on turn 34963. (Snake:1) 15:10:47 ah ok 15:11:13 that crash occurred after killing kirke 15:11:42 one of her hogs will have fallen down a shaft 15:11:52 i'm making a ticket to hold the patch 15:12:52 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:44 ty for the info anyway though :) 15:14:30 <|amethyst> blackcustard: probably also abyssing a hogified unique 15:14:40 yeah that should do it as well 15:15:09 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:09 !lm * crash milestone=~ASSERT(mindex s=god 15:15:09 57 milestones for * (crash milestone=~ASSERT(mindex): 20x Sif Muna, 10x Trog, 10x Ashenzari, 8x Kikubaaqudgha, 4x Okawaru, 3x Vehumet, Cheibriados, Nemelex Xobeh 15:15:40 (was wondering if there was a lugonu clustering that i missed) 15:16:19 <|amethyst> that would involve having a unique get in the way, or having a friendly unique 15:16:41 <|amethyst> hm, or possibly any friendly 15:17:00 abyssed monsters are only preserved 50% of the time i think? 15:17:01 <|amethyst> but I believe normal hostiles aren't preserved when abyssed 15:17:09 <|amethyst> ah, maybe that was it 15:17:15 <|amethyst> been a while since I looked at that code 15:20:11 Fix a Kirke crash by deporkalating transiting hogs correctly. by blackcustard 15:27:21 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:28 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:29:37 -!- whanners has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:26 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:32:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:33:22 <|amethyst> on it 15:33:26 -!- kronusdark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:35:25 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:40:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:47 oo 15:45:14 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:35 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:39 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-2577-gc67cb32: Forbid Cure 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21:05:01 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2580-g6d5fa69: Unbreak build. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d5fa6932aad 21:05:01 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2581-g07a0b80: Fix reversed logic in a test. 10(33 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07a0b80f945c 21:05:16 |amethyst: about actor->get_los(), I really wish it dies. 21:05:49 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:06:14 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:07:19 |amethyst: that style of iterators block speeding them up, and at least in console builds a big majority of CPU time is spent in the radius_iterator/circle_def/los_* tangle 21:11:46 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:23 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2582-gf132148: Drop an unused variable. 10(46 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f13214863725 21:13:34 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2583-g5e2a970: Indendation & brace fixes. 10(31 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e2a970f1475 21:13:34 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2584-g2e76cfd: Let the compiler inline new trivial accessors. 10(30 hours ago, 4 files, 13+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e76cfd839a9 21:16:03 okay I just dropped ccache.exe into crawl-ref\source and changed the "CC = $(GCC) $(CL..." lines in the Makefile to "CC = ccache $(GCC) $(CL...", etc. crawl seems to be building now ... so did i set it up right? 21:16:07 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:22 i've never dealt with ccache before now, even though someone suggested using it with crawl a long time ago 21:22:40 kilobyte: Was it only debug builds that were broken, by any chance? Since I actually DO rebuild after rebasing, as a rule (yet the thing missing looks like my doing) 21:24:15 <|amethyst> yes, that is only with DEBUG_DIAGNOSTICS 21:24:16 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:21 <|amethyst> to be complete, you should test at least (console, webtiles, tiles) x (optimised, debug, fulldebug)... I usually only do one of those :/ 21:26:10 Well, I literally can't compile webtiles 21:26:31 <|amethyst> and I can't compile Windows, so :) 21:26:36 Heh 21:26:42 <|amethyst> maybe we should set up a build farm 21:27:10 <|amethyst> test every commit before letting it go live 21:27:13 *grunt* 21:27:19 <|amethyst> goodbye near-instant chei announcements 21:27:21 I thought cszo was our build farm <_< 21:27:39 <|amethyst> Grunt: it only builds once a day + on request now 21:27:44 DracoOmega: oh, indeed 21:27:58 (The joke misses |amethyst.) 21:28:04 DracoOmega: I wonder why would folks debug in release builds, though 21:28:27 I find all the debug messages very annoyingly spammy, and normally unnecessary for what I'm doing 21:28:32 longer compiles, less data during testing, crap debug info... 21:28:46 Hey, debug takes much longer to compile on my machine 21:28:47 kilobyte: some use hybrid builds 21:28:57 i use debug-lite exclusively 21:30:52 |amethyst: all official binaries are cross-compiled from Debian; trunk on some old release on CDO, stable on one of my unstable boxes 21:31:08 DracoOmega: ??? 21:31:20 What? 21:31:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I don't have a Windows cross-compilation environment installed, so I stand by my statement :) 21:31:47 DracoOmega: I've seen this once, on a phone with ~80MB memory free; even on a 256MB raspi debug is a good deal faster 21:32:06 Well, debug builds definitely build noticably slower on my machine than release ones 21:32:16 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 21:32:57 DracoOmega: sounds strange... I'd expect either critically low memory or very slow I/O 21:32:57 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: that's strange, because no optimisation should be faster than with optimisation 21:33:14 Does release use optimizations by default or something? 21:33:20 I thought you needed to use flags for that 21:33:32 |amethyst: there's a bit more debug info because for example line info is not available 21:33:49 Well, linking especially is far slower 21:33:49 -O2 by default, -O0 in debug 21:33:57 ah, bfd 21:34:03 bfd needs to die 21:35:10 well before it can do that we need a new win32 linker 21:35:13 even then, on my old box, gold takes 1.8s, bfd 5.6s, a small part of total compile time 21:35:19 and GDB needs to stop using it 21:35:27 and such 21:36:04 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:09 SamB: rmadison binutils-gold -> amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc, sparc 21:36:33 kilobyte: another good point 21:36:41 Well, my machine builds much slower than yours in any case. You do notice the difference when you're regularly making small changes that only require recompiling one or two files, though. 21:36:49 And thus linking is most of build time 21:37:18 It's not a BIG deal or anything, of course. I was just commenting that in my own experience, it is not actually faster, and in fact somewhat slower. 21:39:05 DracoOmega: this sounds wrong... is your machine something really, truly ancient? If my almost three years old cheapo box links in 1.8s/5.6s, if you have it much slower, something is amiss 21:39:34 kilobyte: well how slow is it on Windows? 21:40:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:40:36 with all the hatred against Windows, I doubt it should be much slower 21:41:10 My machine is not especially ancient, no 21:41:45 It's a Phenom 9650 quad core 21:41:57 could you try: rm crawl.exe && time make [args]? 21:42:23 (time is a bash builtin, so it's there on msys) 21:43:08 Sure, I guess 21:44:07 -!- maslei has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:44:16 Which of these 3 numbers am I supposed to report, anyhow? 21:44:21 all of them 21:45:12 Well, for release builds, it's: real 7.734, user 1.903, sys 2.999 21:45:46 It'll take a little longer to get a test for debug set up here :P 21:47:16 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:51:04 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:52:32 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:56 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 21:52:59 -!- grathtarg_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53:00 Okay, for debug, I got: real 47.406, user 1.938, sys 2.880 21:53:43 strange that it uses so much more real with almost identical user/system 21:54:17 for Windows debug builds, I get massive times too: real 14.824, user 14.276, sys 0.564 21:54:21 Yes, I don't really know how to interpret what that might imply, myself 21:54:31 waait... how come you get only 1.938 if we're both on bfd? 21:54:41 Well, those numbers of yours look really different than mine 21:54:59 DracoOmega: "real" is the wall clock, for 1-threaded tasks like here it's user+sys+io 21:55:12 So most of my time is in i/o then? 21:55:34 well, waiting anyway 21:56:37 yeah, but I don't get how your box can link it in <2s user time while mine needs >14s 21:56:59 I did it again and got similar numbers: 39.00 / 1.951 / 3.100 21:57:33 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 21:59:04 Mephitic Cloud's autotargetter does not work properly by magicpoints 22:02:20 clearly Intel got into DracoOmega's compiler 22:02:38 -!- Kaput_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:21 I don't believe this... linking debug windows binaries takes solid 14 seconds for me, almost all user. So at least two things are wrong... 22:05:28 0.6 seconds for release linux ones, <3 <3 <3 gold 22:05:38 does Windows have something akin to tmpfs? 22:06:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:06:53 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:07:19 windows tmpfs would probably be slower since it always swaps to a file 22:08:10 geekosaur: I mean, for tasks that fit in memory; Crawl isn't that big 22:08:34 149MB unstripped binary for windows 22:08:51 no, the whole point of tmpfs is making use of a largely wasted swap partition. but if swap is a file, the result will be much slower 22:09:33 (this is also true if you use tmpfs with a swap file instead of swap partition on linux) 22:10:18 although maybe I should qualify that, linux freaks may well have modified it to pretend to be a ramfs 22:10:21 geekosaur: I thought tmpfs was ideally supposed to fit most things in RAM 22:10:27 nothing like confusing 22:11:50 geekosaur: tmpfs has two advantages: 1. out of memory: no need for fsync or journaling, 2. in almost any case you don't hit the disk at all 22:12:22 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:12:55 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:18 windows debug .o take 206MB, plus resulting binary 149MB 22:18:48 testing on other machines, I can't seem to get any case that spends an appreciable amount of time doing i/o (I guess if I dropped the page cache...), it's always almost solely user-mode CPU bound 22:21:54 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:23:09 -!- brothergg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:23:33 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:04 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 22:29:56 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:29:56 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:30:35 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:14 did anyone get a chance to see if the test mac builds I did are any good, btw? 22:31:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:16 My guess is that if no one here has a mac setup to compile, we might not have one to test either :P 22:33:36 (A bit circular, that) 22:34:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:14 someone in here was bugging me for a build 22:34:55 Well, certainly we could use someone who could regularly produce mac builds (or even irregularly - it would still be an improvement!) 22:35:36 at least for stable 22:35:47 the last one is 0.12.0 IIRC 22:36:44 Fortunately the crash bug fixed in 0.12.1 didn't apply to OS X or that would be truly horrible 22:36:58 (Still bad enough, mind) 22:37:36 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:37 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:57 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:31 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43:09 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:46:42 -!- badplayer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:05 -!- Pisano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51:23 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:18 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:01:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:04:10 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:06:16 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:09:51 -!- Cunnus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:17:38 Say guys, does the new encumbrance rating make unarmed combat in heavy armor less penalized for high strength characters? 23:17:45 encumbrance rating system* 23:18:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:23 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:20:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:22:16 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:25:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:26:32 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:27:14 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:27:37 -!- Dorp has quit [Client Quit] 23:30:14 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31:47 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:39 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:35:43 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:28 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:43:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:03 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2584-g2e76cfd (34) 23:53:51 -!- Nightdew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:09 -!- lorieed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:56:32 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle]