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My CAO Webtiles either tells me "The WebSocket connection failed." or I fail to get the error at all. CLAN works fine, CSZO works fine, SSH CAO works fine. 03:53:13 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:55:42 -!- TiggA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:17 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:51 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:56:58 -!- Elkan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:02:37 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:17 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:10:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13:43 -!- st_ has quit [] 04:19:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:21:42 -!- Cunnus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:28:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:30:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: bedtime] 04:35:50 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:24 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:08 What is this C++11 thing? 04:41:11 !seen mumra 04:41:11 I last saw mumra at Sun Jul 14 02:05:58 2013 UTC (7h 35m 13s ago) joining the channel. 04:41:26 Anyone knows about the planned effects for the Cup of Charity? 04:43:54 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:59 hi dpeg 04:45:55 dpeg: somewhere i had a rough list of effect ideas but no idea where i put that list 04:46:26 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:48:02 dpeg: but there was stuff like: stat boost, slaying boost, element immunities 04:49:58 Nivim: have you tried clearing your cache / refreshing the page / restarting your browser / restarting your computer 04:50:39 mumra: Didn't hit restarting my computer. 04:51:20 -!- Nivim has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 04:51:43 mumra: cool! Will list some stuff in my reply to your c-r-d cupcake mail. 04:52:57 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:54:54 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:08 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:49 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:59:58 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:40 -!- dcss46862 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:10 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 05:05:44 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:50 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:50 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:25:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31:45 -!- whale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:43:32 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 05:44:44 -!- halv has quit [Client Quit] 05:53:32 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:54:36 -!- puppyknuckled has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:58:22 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:46 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:09:50 -!- Duralumin_ is now known as Duralumin 06:16:01 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Client Quit] 06:24:29 -!- Hailley has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:25:00 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 06:45:09 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:49:21 dpeg: c++11 is the new version of c++ finalized in 2011. It has some useful things that would make coding a bit easier, but compilers for many platforms are still missing. The only "major" platform support would be lost for is power pc macs. 06:50:06 (those were discontinued several years ago, but of course some people are still using them) 07:00:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:39 alefury: thank you 07:04:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Client Quit] 07:05:16 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:58 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:22:03 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:14 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:30:34 hehe, jejorda's idea is actually brilliant 07:30:40 an effect that rots the player's name 07:33:40 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:04 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:05 !tell DracoOmega shouldn't gargoyles be poison immune rather than just resistant? 07:34:06 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 07:35:37 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:46 mumra: where is that idea? 07:36:56 dpeg: Generic Brainstorming 07:37:41 dpeg: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=950&start=2100 07:37:48 at the end 07:38:30 i'm not sure whether it's supposed to be a joke or not ;) 07:39:34 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:40:08 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:21 oh, i guess i can't work on shoals at all here 07:41:28 guess i'll have to focus on something else :/ 07:49:59 -!- Guest46932 is now known as magicpoints 07:50:48 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 07:56:21 -!- blabber has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58:34 Is it okay, that Lair is supposed to be done before Orc, but spawns later? 07:58:38 yes 07:58:49 isn't it kinda a noob-trap? 07:59:01 well it's pretty inherent 07:59:09 like you don't want to do the lair subbranches when you find them either 07:59:15 or tomb when you find that 07:59:27 so you could consider it the most gentle way to tell the lesson 08:00:02 ok, I see the point, thanks. 08:10:29 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:13:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:16:12 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 08:24:17 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 08:28:46 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:30:35 -!- dcss49476 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:47 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:17 -!- TiggA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:39:07 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:39:23 it appears that spectral enhancer staves don't have their special effects 08:39:33 intentional? 08:41:19 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:44 I'm pretty certain it's not 08:42:07 -!- Wehk has left ##crawl-dev 08:42:15 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43:24 -!- TiggA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:57 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:00:01 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:01:29 -!- jason55 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:02:49 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:06:51 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 09:07:08 -!- Pacra has joined 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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=274433d64caf 10:04:15 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:04:15 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:05:58 -!- Aidenn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:10 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:45 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2389-g7eddac7: Fix cure mut not being auto picked up by Gr/Te/Black Dr. 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7eddac7bfc41 10:19:32 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:23:09 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:20 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 10:23:31 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:29:15 lillq the Magician (L2 DEWz) (D:1) 10:30:15 <|amethyst> I killed that one by hand 10:30:20 <|amethyst> it was hanging webtiles 10:30:28 <|amethyst> !lm lillq crash -log 10:30:28 1. lillq, XL2 DEWz, T:1420 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/lillq/crash-lillq-20130714-152914.txt 10:30:35 -!- browncustard has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:29 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:50 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:31:51 <|amethyst> edlothiol: thanks for the advice last time webtiles froze (to strace and kill that single process); it worked fine 10:32:05 -!- blackcustard has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:32:10 -!- browncustard is now known as blackcustard 10:33:11 <|amethyst> Ragdoll: I see how you could have missed that for the past month and a half, given that it's not a mummy 10:33:14 <|amethyst> doh 10:36:11 -!- six40sword has quit [Client Quit] 10:38:46 ??amethyst 10:38:47 amethyst[1/5]: <|amethyst> doh 10:39:18 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:39:31 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol this job was hanging webtiles until I killed it by hand: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/lillq/crash-lillq-20130714-152914.txt 10:39:35 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 10:42:19 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:15 -!- 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Did you consider applying poison resistance to each point inflicted by poison and sPoison? 11:50:48 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 11:50:51 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:52:08 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:13 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:53:30 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 11:54:59 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:04 -!- Vandal has quit [] 11:56:10 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:20 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:16 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:39 -!- Guest46932 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:14:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:11 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:34 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2389-g7eddac7 (34) 12:20:10 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:23 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:28:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:29:02 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:42 kilobyte: The poison resistance thing was just for parity with statue form, but I am fine with them both being immune, too. It's just I felt they both should be the same thing. 12:30:22 I'm sad their innate AC disappears in statue form. 12:30:47 It doesn't entirely 12:30:55 Though the formula for merged AC perhaps could use adjusting 12:31:14 |amethyst: Are you around, by any chance? 12:31:28 Well the AC is literally their lifeline in statue form. 12:31:38 Because they are not an EV heavy race even if you try. 12:31:48 (which to say is that they'll both have bad hp and worse ev in statue form) 12:32:21 Instead of very good AC and very decent EV (if you try to) without. 12:34:58 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:36:46 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:37:41 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: am now, what's up? 12:37:43 -!- aves has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:37:56 Would you be able to update Chei's monster database please? :) 12:38:18 For the various deep elf adjustments I pushed yesterday 12:38:34 <|amethyst> updating 12:38:59 -!- dcss241 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:35 -!- Solace has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:39:37 Thanks 12:47:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:47:36 deep elf summoner (07e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 27-45 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(64) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 447 | Sp: blink, vermin | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:47:36 <|amethyst> %??deep elf summoner 12:49:25 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:51:02 Thanks 12:51:22 a statue of a statue... 12:51:49 I'd say, there are two options: 1. statue form should be forbidden, or 2. AC bonuses should stack 12:52:14 the spell is quite pointless otherwise 12:52:22 Well, I actually considered the former, but I think there was some opposition to that, so I just went with the idea of it making you stiffer and bulkier and such 12:52:44 The AC bonuses stack somewhat. Perhaps they should do so fully 12:53:11 if it brings back diesel[2] it's worth it 12:54:12 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 12:54:26 ??diesel[2 12:54:26 diesel[2/2]: 115/19/53 12:54:29 Yow 12:54:45 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55:26 Incidentally, gargoyles are looking a lot more fragile in practice than I expected for their AC 12:55:30 one of my GrEE got a vault with metal golems, metal gargoyles and the Ring of Robustness on D:8 12:56:17 that's _massively_ OOD, although it was one of so few chars that could actually kill them all at this depth, even if it did take a lot of time 12:56:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:56:32 !vault ring_of_robustness 12:56:33 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2389-g7eddac7 12:56:39 Couldn't find ring_of_robustness in the Crawl source tree 12:56:42 gargoyle innate AC + Stoneskin + Robustness = OMGWTFHAX 12:56:50 !vault robustness 12:56:58 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8140399 12:57:11 kilobyte: How about with the robustness mutation?! 12:57:23 kilobyte: Are you sure that was D:8? >.> 12:57:30 Bloaxzorro: it grants HP not AC 12:57:53 <|amethyst> clearly you want rough black scales 12:58:08 (but hp is absolutely baller when you have insane ac) 12:59:48 DracoOmega: hrm, I was quite sure it was D:8, looks like wetware memory keeps breaking too 13:00:49 anyway, even with about the best char to tackle that vault, it still took a ton of hit&run attempts, luring one golem at a time 13:01:11 DracoOmega: Unless you actually do an EV gargoyle. 13:01:17 which i did and apparently they are insanely good 13:01:25 Yaktaurs can and will utterly destroy you. 13:01:35 that vault is a bit depressing 13:04:23 Though I guess 41/36/44 is bordering on diesel. 13:06:45 -!- Dalvant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:11:14 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:39 gargoyles really are quite fragile for their AC, even if that AC happens to be very good 13:14:23 Yes. AC is an overall smaller damage reduction than EV, except that it's more predictable. But gargoyles don't have the margin of safety that hp provides to allow that predictable decline to be softened. 13:14:26 So it seems 13:14:38 I think it is okay for them to be fragile 13:14:44 yes there's no substitute for AC 13:14:51 itym hp 13:14:52 or EV, or HP 13:15:03 they all do different things 13:15:08 like it would be less interesting if they were just conventionally strong just "because of their ac rather than their hp" 13:15:14 in RL gargoyles are only "usually" made from granite, it's often some crap stone :p 13:15:14 elliott: Well, the idea wasn't really for them to be fragile, but more for them to be quite durable against some things, and vulnerable against others (and different ones than many people) 13:15:34 HP's kind of the most important one to me anyway 13:15:47 Well I mean -20% HP races are legit if punishing 13:15:58 DracoOmega: suspect they already are that really 13:16:16 elliott: Well, I have watched a lot of people having reasonable trouble in melee against fairly ordinary things 13:16:37 well also it feels like crawl has enough easy races and that it's good for there to be weaker ones added 13:16:40 What I am thinking about is giving them a GDR bonus, and changing the AC curve to give them less at low levels (where they really have quite a lot) 13:16:43 to some extent 13:16:58 oh god, please don't make GDR involve more formulas for people to obsess over :P 13:17:02 Haha 13:17:16 how about just give them more AC in total towards the end 13:17:17 DracoOmega: and perhaps more at high levels, where AC is not as good anymore 13:17:18 as well as lessening it earlier 13:17:20 I wonder how much the GDR would even help 13:17:21 Well, the idea is to make them safer against regular melee without necessarily reducing vulnerability to heavy hits 13:17:23 rather than GDR 13:17:31 the things I've been having trouble with are not melee enemies at all 13:17:49 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:58 SwissStopwatch: Yaktaurs and their ilk? 13:18:03 and... gargoyles aren't forbidden from having gdr anyway, and most of them probably will 13:18:15 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:22 basically anything with a high damage ranged attack is worse 13:18:30 this is just a function of low HP mostly 13:19:52 like deep elves also have this problem for instance 13:20:29 Well yes, but EV possibly helps more against that stuff 13:20:54 yes if you have RMsl/DMsl also 13:21:17 then it's not really problematic, although no defense is reliable against it except lots of HP of course 13:22:31 given the availability of GDR to gargoyles anyway though I'd be surprised if they were really all that vulerable to melee on a good melee character 13:22:33 like also they should feel different to the -2 HP high EV races too :P 13:22:42 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:54 which "without necessarily reducing vulnerability to heavy hits" sort of goes against, in that a hallmark of EV is that if you get hit by something high-damaging it can be really bad 13:23:22 well the problem is that getting hit by high damaging things with AC is also really bad 13:23:31 It really feels quite similar in practice 13:23:51 yes 13:23:52 either way, you will sometimes get hit for half your HP when stone giants start showing up 13:24:05 but right now gargoyles feel quite heavily different to te, de, sp kind of stuff 13:24:10 in ways other than just being weak (imo) 13:24:27 it's just that for the AC characters instead of not getting hit they're getting hit but only taking 0-5 damage or something 13:25:04 except that AC without GDR has the same randomness as EV 13:25:09 but the worst case is the same, and even feels like it happens with a similar frequency to me 13:26:40 and yeah that's basically right 13:26:46 not really the same 13:26:49 since EV is binary and AC... isn't 13:27:24 so lots of rolls that would be a "failure" with EV are perfectly fine damage reduction with AC 13:27:29 they're not strictly the same but it ends up being pretty similar 13:27:52 in practice a high enough roll on AC is basically the same as a dodge on some attacks 13:28:11 a low enough roll on AC is basically the same as the high EV character getting hit 13:29:16 -!- wumpus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:24 either way the enemy's damage roll is still pretty random on a hit too so the high AC doesn't come anywhere close to guaranteeing that a stone giant does less to a high-AC character with a given boulder hit than to a high-EV one 13:30:41 unless it's something super unattainable like 90 13:30:43 I'd say the chance of meaningful deduction is far smaller for AC than EV 13:30:52 from high damage attacks, that is 13:31:44 yes, it's kind of a function of them checking against different things, but I think for a lot of enemies the opposition to AC and EV ends up being similar 13:31:45 if you got 40 AC, even with best luck you avoid only 40% of a 100 damage attack 13:32:06 with 40 EV, you avoid 100% of it nearly every time 13:32:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:48 well even at 40 EV you get hit with a lot of things fairly frequently 13:33:05 >killing orbs of fire with ease while slowed 13:33:07 discuss 13:33:48 SwissStopwatch: certainly nowhere close to 60% of the time, though 13:34:14 oh sorry, that's the best case for AC, to match the average, the EV char would need to mis-dodge 80% 13:34:26 not 60% unless it's something really extreme no 13:34:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:44 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 59-103 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2765 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 13:34:44 %??orb guardian 13:35:04 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:24 I would say that on characters with 35-40ish EV it feels like those hit me not that much less than half the time 13:35:41 they're one of the most accurate melee enemies in the game, granted 13:36:24 Orb Guardian of fire (05X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 30 | HP: 138-195 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(240), 12drown | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), malmutate, fireball (3d43) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 13:36:24 %??Orb Guardian name:of_fire n_suf col:red hd:30 spells:bolt_of_fire;malmutate;.;fireball 13:36:27 should fsim that to see how accurate this "feeling" is 13:38:59 mm yes, 35 EV says they hit just under 40% 13:39:14 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:33 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:40:50 -!- BBB_ is now known as sketchy_galore 13:41:39 but yeah, there are a couple enemes that test AC or EV much harder than the other but they're not really the rule 13:43:18 granted I have no idea if it's possible to test enemy spells with fsim, and that would be important to get actual numbers on maybe 13:46:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:09 There isn't, as far as I know 13:47:32 high HD spellcasters generally seem pretty accurate unless I'm high EV with RMsl 13:47:48 and if that goes up to DMsl it's really very hard for them to get hits in 13:48:00 but actual numbers probably would be useful 13:48:22 It never feels like EV is that great a ranged defense either unless Repel or Deflect is involved though 13:48:45 Well, stuff like crossbows and such are a lot more accurate than spells 13:48:58 A lot of serious monster spells really aren't particularly accurate 13:49:10 If you have decent EV 13:49:52 well iron shot is presumably not all that accurate for monsters, right 13:50:02 since that's the case for players 13:50:12 monster missile formulas make massive amounts of sense. Not. 13:50:25 yes monster missile stuff is weird in so many ways 13:51:33 This is definitely strayed away from gargoyles and AC vs. EV at this point I Guess 13:51:37 Heh 13:51:39 Maybe 13:51:41 not that it's entirely irrelevant 13:54:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:03:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:39 03blackcustard 07* 0.13-a0-2390-ge1b3e47: Do not make monsters with resistances immune to acid on reload. 10(66 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1b3e47fc32c 14:06:40 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.12 14:07:07 okayed the Covert (L6 VpAs) ASSERT(food_type >= 0 && food_type < NUM_FOODS) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 2087 failed. (Bad food type 27 (NUM_FOODS = 23)) (D:5) 14:07:25 <|amethyst> wha?? 14:07:32 <|amethyst> !lm okayed crash -log 14:07:33 1. okayed, XL6 VpAs, T:4770 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/okayed/crash-okayed-20130714-190707.txt 14:08:01 <|amethyst> that's a xom gift 14:08:12 Xom gifted a food that does not exist? 14:08:17 (Sounds in character, actually) 14:08:18 <|amethyst> acquirement -> acquirement_create_item -> is_useless_item 14:09:12 <|amethyst> hmm 14:09:15 <|amethyst> if (you.species == SP_VAMPIRE && class_wanted == OBJ_FOOD) 14:09:15 <|amethyst> class_wanted = OBJ_POTIONS; 14:09:22 <|amethyst> something not taking that into account? 14:09:52 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:10:46 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:12:04 <|amethyst> 27 is POT_BLOOD 14:13:50 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14:37 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:14:56 <|amethyst> class_wanted is optimised ou, but class_wanted@entry = OBJ_FOOD 14:15:14 <|amethyst> hm 14:16:20 <|amethyst> it's acquirement_create_item -> _find_acquirement_subtype so if it's the first time through the loop the class_wanted hasn't been replaced yet 14:18:58 neil (L1 VpMo) ASSERT(food_type >= 0 && food_type < NUM_FOODS) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 2087 failed. (Bad food type 27 (NUM_FOODS = 23)) (D:1) 14:19:11 <|amethyst> yeah, reproducible on blood acquirement 14:19:23 <|amethyst> I believe I have a fix 14:21:36 how would you implement "unforget map"? 14:22:19 because every time I used "forget", what I wanted is to re-explore to find a particular monster; having to re-explore the rest is a waste of time 14:23:00 I looked into making it a map_knowledge flag, but it looks like it would need to be checked in 572875234592375 places 14:23:14 <|amethyst> kilobyte: save a backup of map_knowledge? 14:23:23 hmm, that could work 14:23:34 <|amethyst> (and of course only copy it in for DNGN_UNSEEN) 14:25:54 -!- popx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:08 <|amethyst> !lm neil vpmo crash 14:34:08 1. [2013-07-14 19:18:57] neil the Insei (L1 VpMo) ASSERT(food type >= 0 && food type < NUM FOODS) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 2087 failed. (Bad food type 27 (NUM FOODS = 23)) (D:1) 14:34:43 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:35:00 -!- DracoOmega_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:57 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-2391-g733bdaa: Don't crash on vampire blood acquirement. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=733bdaab6e98 14:35:59 -!- Elkan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:36:17 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:37:50 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40:38 -!- Melum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:00 -!- DracoOmega_ is now known as DracoOmega 14:50:45 -!- sketchy_galore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:43 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:55:35 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:58:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:59:03 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: I'll give myself a bulldog out of winston churchill] 15:00:04 03|amethyst 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12.2-12-gd1dd697: Changelog updates. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1dd697f29ac 15:00:06 -!- Celsitudo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:05:45 <|amethyst> btw, buppy mentioned wanting to test dwants as an experimental branch on cszo (like destruction is now). Not sure when I'll have time to set that up, but at the very least it would need to be in a branch in our git repo 15:05:45 alternately: instead of using map-forgetting, just have a function that "looks around" an already-explored map 15:06:06 i don't know how such a thing would be done, though 15:06:13 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: how would it know when to stop? :) 15:06:26 <|amethyst> I guess you could keep a count for each cell 15:06:26 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:48 also, there'd be no visual feedback about what you rechecked and what not 15:07:33 alternately alternately: a thing that converts map knowledge to the "magic map" sort of knowledge 15:07:50 so you can still see everything 15:09:43 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:17 Hmm, so if I fight anything with draining in fsim, all my skills get drained to 0 15:12:33 (& and f, boris or shadow dragon) 15:13:55 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:05 ontoclasm: good idea about converting it to magic map, although it still needs a way to unforget 15:17:44 Is this a bug? 15:18:03 well, they drain you... 15:18:48 Sure, but one of them wouldn't drain all my skills to 0 :P 15:19:19 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:20 And in any case the character seems to be useless after that (for further testing) because the only way to get rid of the drain would apparently be to actually kill monsters? 15:20:08 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:20 Gaining xp via &x doesn't do anything at least, and neither does &H 15:25:51 -!- ParallaxScroll has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:26:34 also presumably your melee skills getting drained affects future tests within the same test 15:26:38 so the results are inaccurate? 15:34:51 Probably yes 15:35:57 The draining should be reset after each individual fight (I'm assuming that fsim works by running N fights to the death) 15:36:40 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:36:45 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:38:44 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:52 wbat death? 15:41:10 it runs N combat rounds, without changing HP or anything 15:43:18 <|amethyst> kilobyte: there should at least be a way to tweak your attrs like you can tweak durations 15:43:24 kilobyte: Ah, ok 15:43:32 <|amethyst> since there's no way to recover from draining in wizmode 15:43:55 kilobyte: Apparently draining does apply and accumulates 15:44:12 it's sort of bad how fsim has side effects 15:44:23 like try fighting mnoleg or whatever 15:45:27 <|amethyst> DIS_DEATH could prevent those things (or we could make a different disablement) 15:49:35 Well, in this case, at least &H should probably cure draining 15:49:41 But that doesn't stop fsim from giving inaccurate results 15:50:00 does &H still give you maxhp for no reason 15:51:09 yeah 15:58:51 I'd say, should at most cure permarot 15:59:19 one problem: currently permarot is stored in the same variable as per-race per-class bonuses 16:02:55 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 16:07:36 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08:12 kilobyte: how does the game figure out what to put in the parentheses 16:08:26 i.e. in HP: 15/37(40) 16:09:10 That's not permarot. 16:09:17 Permarot is from, e.g., Borg's. 16:13:12 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:16 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:19 -!- Melum__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:43 FR: show amount of inventory slots when picking up stuff 16:15:36 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:39 oh i see 16:15:59 Oh, joosa, I've been meaning to ask you: 16:16:03 does Ruffell have a command prefix? 16:16:07 i.e., 16:16:09 !dump . 16:16:10 Dump for . does not exist. 16:16:10 %dump . 16:16:11 No where information for Grunt. 16:16:16 $dum p. 16:16:18 $dump . 16:16:18 No where information for Grunt. 16:16:33 ...an equivalent for those. 16:17:28 Grunt: not yet. Suggestions welcome 16:17:36 #? ^? &? 16:17:37 (? 16:17:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:17:43 maybe # 16:18:04 ~ 16:18:37 there's a !rhfdump 16:18:40 # is more friendly for nordic keyboards :P 16:18:44 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:18:54 hah 16:19:39 you mean, you have basic 7-bit ASCII characters not accessible directly? 16:20:33 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:20:52 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:21:25 -!- Ruffell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:38 -!- Ruffell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:44 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:06 oh, right, i found an elemental wellspring in-game so now i have to make a tile for it 16:22:07 Nah, but ~ is one of the dead keys 16:22:08 fudge 16:22:11 #players 16:22:11 joosa (L22 @ Vaults:4, T:88633), d64 (L13 @ Lair:4, T:22098), buki (L10 @ D:9, T:10383), happinesssam (L9 @ D:8, T:9289), enxombed (L5 @ D:3, T:3295), Scotch (L1 @ D:1, T:28) 16:22:23 #dump 16:22:23 http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/joosa/joosa.txt 16:23:50 I meant to ask if it'd be possible to convert all the bots to use notice instead of privmsg, it makes the normal chat easily differentiated without users having to configure and hack their clients 16:24:45 joosa: thanks :) 16:25:08 #version 16:25:09 trunk: 0.13-a0-2384-g992b9cf; 0.11: not found; 0.10: not found 16:25:13 oh 16:25:16 joosa: you'd probably have to ask the bot maintainers (mainly greensnark and |amethyst probably). 16:25:18 -!- halby has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:25:21 #??test 16:25:26 ...didn't tink so >_> 16:25:31 s/tink/think/ 16:25:34 Yeah I just enabled all commands without looking :) 16:25:58 Using sizzell as base 16:31:05 -!- dcss33324 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:27 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:30 The wiki says that treasure troves may ask for a single scroll of acquirement. I'm now in a (local) game where trove is asking for two of them. Is it a bug or just bad wiki? 16:39:03 moxian: badwiki 16:39:14 ok, thanks. 16:39:20 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:42:45 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:49 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:50:59 -!- Cunnus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:54:37 -!- TiggA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:08:28 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:10:43 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:12:11 -!- myrmidette_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:15:13 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:15:38 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 17:21:50 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:55 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:23:10 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:55 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:25 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:11 -!- dimlight has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:06 -!- Peep has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:53 -!- ahahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:43:52 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:09 ??badwiki 17:55:10 badwiki[1/27]: An old wiki (with lots of out of date and incorrect info; enter at your own risk): http://chaosforge.org/crawl/ There is an interesting essay about the relevance of the Chaosforge wiki located here: http://eronarn.info/misc/wiki.html 17:55:22 haha eronarn 18:06:03 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:37 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:13:41 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 18:13:42 Are Beehive vaults supposed to always have entrances, or do some of them require disintegration? 18:14:02 !locateall Nivim 18:14:04 Nivim: CAO 0.13-a, L19 GrWn of Ashenzari || Sethra: CAO 0.13-a, L20 VpWz of Okawaru || Thurl: CAO 0.13-a, L11 MiEn of Cheibriados 18:14:17 Grunt: It's on the floor above for Thurl. 18:14:23 Show me. 18:14:33 I'm viewing it now. 18:14:50 All upstairs and downstairs for that level are accounted for. 18:14:53 -!- sacje has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:15:00 That vault is hive_lemuel, apparently intended to be enclosed. 18:15:17 Well, ok. 18:16:14 Grunt: I noticed that a lot of the overflow vaults don't look great unless they're surrounded by '.', since they tend to get merged into stone 18:16:41 Grunt: Do you think there should be a tag to do this? Also possibly the same thing for fuzzy edging on e.g. forest vaults? 18:17:04 s/merged into stone/merged into rock of the nearby dungeon/ 18:18:59 If a vault's supposed to have a border like that, I think it should be explicity set out in the vault def. 18:21:40 just surrounding it with '.' programatticaly is not likely to work well? 18:22:38 It seemed like a lot more vaults that take time to have a cute shape might need that '.' border, but I guess it's 1) not that big a deal and 2) a hassle to implement as a tag (that may not work) 18:28:15 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:29:35 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 18:30:23 -!- Duralumin_ is now known as Duralumin 18:33:51 -!- dosman711` is now known as dosman711 18:45:09 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:51:21 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 18:52:16 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:47 coledot0 the Cleaver (L16 HOFi) ASSERT(themonst) in 'player.cc' at line 7828 failed on turn 43260. (Snake:5) 18:54:26 -!- Cunnus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:54:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 18:54:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:08 <|amethyst> !lm coledot0 crash -log 18:55:09 1. coledot0, XL16 HOFi, T:43260 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/coledot0/crash-coledot0-20130714-235346.txt 18:56:20 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2392-g620b36e: Don't use + on a bitfield. 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=620b36ed2e9e 18:56:20 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2393-gc50a79a: Allow map forgotten via X^F to be restored with X^U. 10(3 hours ago, 10 files, 47+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c50a79afaf21 18:56:20 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2394-g2f64357: Save forgotten maps when saving/restoring. 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 23+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f64357b89e4 18:56:20 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2395-g6e24c03: Show all forgotten map data as magic-mapped. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e24c03402f3 18:56:21 <|amethyst> player-constricting monster killed by an ally 18:58:59 kilobyte: sweet! great idea! 19:05:31 -!- johnquixote_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:11:59 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2396-g65d0251: Wellspring tile 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 7+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65d025127196 19:12:34 Yay, wellspring tile :) 19:12:47 I like the look 19:12:56 slooowly filling out the new monsters 19:13:08 brambles are left and.... that might be it actually 19:13:19 oh 19:13:24 chimaera 19:13:27 Haha 19:13:34 None of mine were that evil! 19:13:36 * ontoclasm weeps hollowly 19:14:10 Also sealed stairs! :P 19:14:19 sealed stairs? 19:14:44 %git {stairs} 19:14:44 Could not find commit {stairs} (git returned 128) 19:14:48 %git stairs 19:14:48 Could not find commit stairs (git returned 128) 19:14:50 Bah 19:14:55 I have no idea how to work this thing :P 19:14:59 %git :/stairs 19:15:00 07DracoOmega * 0.13-a0-2384-g992b9cf: Allow vault wardens to seal stairways in addition to doors 10(20 hours ago, 8 files, 55+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=992b9cfa9f88 19:15:07 Thank you 19:15:15 You'd think I'd have noticed the syntax after all this time, but no 19:15:18 that 19:15:23 is evil as hell 19:15:31 you're a bad man 19:15:40 Hey, I can't take credit for the idea this time 19:15:42 Blame evilmike :P 19:15:53 well, that's appropriate 19:15:57 Haha, perhaps 19:16:07 >go downstairs >evilmike ambush >stairs selaed 19:16:09 evilmike is now promoted to sinistermike 19:16:20 ontoclasm: Oh dear lord that sounds amazing 19:16:44 fr give wardens telelock 19:16:53 and then we'll talk evil 19:17:27 Bloaxzorro: one of my suggestions for a super-deep D monster was one which inflicts stasis upon you as long as you're in LoS 19:17:40 and casts mesmerize 19:18:27 might as well just implement cockatrices that petrify you upon sight unless you eat a lizard corpse then 19:18:37 heh heh heh 19:19:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:19:57 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:22:41 DracoOmega: also how in hells name do i draw sealed stairs :/ 19:23:22 what is hell's name 19:23:29 "hell" 19:23:50 ontoclasm: Something generalized, since obviously there can't be a unique tile for every type of stair. But in terms of features, there is just one going up and one going down 19:23:59 And I figure it can just look like stairs with that green barrier across it, like the doors 19:24:06 hm 19:25:42 Looking like the normal Vaults stairs as a base would seem to make most sense, since 99% of the time, that is the only one anyone would see sealed 19:26:04 Even if some contrived situation could make them turn the watery Shoals stairs into stone somehow, but eh 19:26:21 shoals stairs aren't watery anymore >.> 19:26:28 They aren't? 19:26:33 i couldn't take it so i changed them 19:26:39 Oh, so they aren't 19:26:42 How long ago was this? 19:26:49 (And yes, those stairs were bizzare) 19:26:50 uhhh 19:27:00 <|amethyst> %git :/Shoals 19:27:01 07ontoclasm * 0.13-a0-750-ga1d8594: Branch stairs (mostly white_noise 6077) 10(8 weeks ago, 23 files, 43+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1d859447d73 19:27:05 like a month or so? 19:27:11 okay, two months 19:27:13 That looks more like two months 19:27:20 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:25 Man, how long has it been since I have played Crawl except to code and test stuff, I wonder? 19:29:15 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:29:33 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:30:22 -!- Aidenn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:35 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:03 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:38:53 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:31 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:27 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:41:35 -!- ebbcio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:54 the other day i thought "i wonder how much variation i can pack into a tiny vault using the standard Vaults glyph set of xm098$%*|.+" and now i have a bunch of 3x3 and 4x4 vaults that i suspect are probably too small to submit 19:47:05 nicolae-: Are they the sorts of things that could be subvault rooms in another vault you make? 19:47:24 oh undoubtedly 19:48:28 i just really like making vaults within a set of constraints, like a given size, or glyph set, monster set, etc, etc 19:48:39 which incidentally was the reasoning behind my infamous 36 Chambers of Zot post 19:53:04 -!- radiosilence has joined ##crawl-dev 20:01:02 -!- CheerUpCharlie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:01:15 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:03:09 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:05:36 -!- Nakalein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:38 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2397-g86b8914: Sealed stair tiles 10(29 seconds ago, 4 files, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86b8914abd36 20:12:45 sealed stairs will be fun, i think 20:12:54 i mean from a design standpoint not from a having-to-deal-with-them standpoint 20:13:24 Well, even as a player I enjoy getting into sticky situations 20:13:35 I mean, that's part of the fun of the game 20:13:39 true, true 20:13:44 Just now for me, on Zot:5: 20:13:52 A bone dragon comes into view. A storm dragon comes into view. An orb of fire comes into view. 20:14:00 Probably the most interesting part of the entire Zot:5 clear. :b 20:14:04 i'm somewhat unhappy with how the sealed upstairs look :/ 20:14:07 The sealed stair up tile looks a little... odd to me, but I am not sure what to suggest 20:14:10 Ha 20:14:13 xD 20:14:21 The downstair looks fine 20:14:30 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:45 the others look like the breen stuff is blocking the way, but i can't figure out how to make the upstair look like that 20:14:52 green* 20:15:07 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 20:15:08 I'm not sure I like the implication that wardens didn't already have an effect... 20:15:08 How does it look if you just use the same overlay as is on the down stairs? 20:15:19