00:00:55 -!- flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:02:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2355-g3ca5c6e (34) 00:05:54 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2355-g3ca5c6e (34) 00:06:53 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11:26 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2355-g3ca5c6e (34) 00:16:13 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:23 -!- dcss80533 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:18:36 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:19:06 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:21:06 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:26:26 -!- yoru has quit [Client Quit] 00:28:55 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:08 Bloaxor: the Sword of Cerebov is not a greatsword, it's a flamberge 00:29:39 Bloaxor: which just happens to have unmodified greatsword stats at the moment, somehow 00:30:00 I know what the sword is since I've looted it off him before. 00:30:40 But since it kind of needs a buff from being a +6 great sword of flaming*2 it was kind of an easy candidate. 00:31:01 -!- ogaz has quit [] 00:31:27 we discussed changing its base type to something custom 00:32:05 I'm surprised giving it a custom type name went through but changing its stats did not 00:33:34 like, a sabre is acc 4 dam 7, but a cutlass acc 3 dam 9 00:35:47 A serpentine sword is however the exact same thing as a great sword. 00:35:57 Despite being something you loot off one of the most feared panlords. 00:36:49 (something you find wights occasionally wielding is something you loot off that beast, makes sense right) 00:36:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:36:59 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:40 -!- GuraKKa1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:22 being a fixedart, it's a matter of changing a single number... 00:41:34 great swords are -3/16/16, triple swords -4/19/19 (acc/dam/delay) 00:43:54 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:15 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2355-g3ca5c6e 00:46:36 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 00:46:38 kilobyte: I was thinking of making a fixedart out of the jester's cap tile. Maybe {+2 Cap, -1 Int, Clarity} 00:48:46 good idea, boring props 00:49:08 -1 int is lame, clearly should have antiwizardry instead 00:49:56 {Clarity, *Confusion} ;) 00:50:01 hahahaha 00:50:05 (+2 cap of -1 Int and Clar would be something I'd wear a lot if it existed, mind) 00:50:22 The only thing that's gonna confuse you will be this cap. 00:50:47 confusion past the clarity, huh 00:51:02 it's sort of a bonus with fixedarts if they're something one can imagine ever wearing 00:51:37 should just worship Xom instead of wearing that hat really 00:52:02 I like the idea of putting {Clarity} on it, an it has to be a cap, everything else is negotiable 00:52:18 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:34 shield of wonder from Goblins 00:53:19 kilobyte: I'd mentioned an evokable last night, Dragon's Teeth, which summons humanoid fighter 00:53:19 s 00:54:03 I definitely recall that from somewhere. 00:54:05 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:25 http://oglaf.com/use-item/ 00:56:46 (and a certain quite old book) 00:57:53 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:09 Is it a bad idea to make vaults for slime? 00:58:43 And I don't mean making vaults in exchange for slimy payment 01:00:18 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:01:00 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:23 -!- notlainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:02:30 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:07:00 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:08:50 buppy: btw it occurred to me, a smoother way to implement a nihilism effect might be to just temporarily set the player's religion to GOD_NO_GOD, rather than special casing everything to _ignore _ the religion... 01:10:04 buppy: (i'm still not really sure it's a good idea of course!) 01:10:21 bh: hi 01:12:35 hey mumra. see scrollback (22:53) 01:18:35 bh: am in a different timezone :P 01:18:36 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:18:52 mumra: sometimes I forget that I'm not at UTC+0 01:20:13 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 01:20:35 re autotraining, which i still tend to use in the early game; the most annoying thing is it has a tendency to go overboard on Traps skill early on and put it at like 10-20% just because 01:21:07 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:10 ...just because you once heard about a guy who looked at a trap or something 01:22:14 but the Evo training problem ProzacElf mentioned could be something weird about the codepath for some evokables, when i was looking at some stuff in evoke.cc it did look to me like some evokers might not actually be practising Evocations at all 01:22:25 -!- dupo has quit [] 01:22:34 -!- Aidenn_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:57 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:26:48 -!- everett has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130627160928]] 01:26:48 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:26:55 kilobyte: nice comic :) 01:28:02 Don't browse it at work though. 01:29:05 they've seen worse 01:29:19 depends if your work place is "sfnsfw" 01:30:36 so far I've worked at some fairly tolerant places. (pro-tip: post-docs start drinking at 10am on Monday) 01:32:32 uh oh, so you clicked "next page" or "prev page"? 01:32:38 yeah. 01:32:48 mumra: I thought of that too but I figured I'd need to check all the religion code anyways so I might as well just insert conditionals while I did that 01:33:11 sorry for not warning you; Oglaf links customarily have "warning, SFW" on them 01:33:14 a few months back one of my coworkers was watching Game of Thrones at lunch 01:33:24 (the default being NSFW) 01:34:26 bh: haha, the joke is i bet most workplaces would find that somehow acceptable 01:34:45 but balk at someone just looking at a picture of tits 01:36:30 But what if it's a hilarious comic with tits!?! 01:36:58 Bloaxor: it's probably not the tits that would cause the problem there 01:38:36 buppy: changing it in one place and special-casing a handful of problems that this might cause is probably far neater than special-casing nearly every reference to the original variable (and inevitably probably missing all kinds of cases) 01:38:39 Haha, yes. 01:38:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:44:31 mumra: hm, I'm too tired to recall what those special cases would entail, but I agree with you 01:47:35 buppy: yeah it might not be particularly neat that way around either but it sounds better! it's a strange effect though. would need to do something similar anyway for the portal vault idea MarvinPA mentioned 01:47:55 buppy: anyway looking at your other patches, #7312 and #7315 seem uncontroversial although i don't know anything about colemak layout; 01:48:25 !tell Grunt What do you think about making vaults for Slime? Is it considered unecessary since people dive it so much/ 01:48:26 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 01:48:46 buppy: and i think the #7247 items are good except maybe the trog gloves, but the others could do with better names still 01:49:37 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:05 buppy: it can take a while for relatively non-trivial things to get in when so much is changing in trunk that needs a lot of adjustment 01:50:26 but vaults and very small patches actually get merged pretty darn quick 01:51:37 mumra: I'm thinking the gloves could either be removed or have their antimagic brand only activate half the time. They were pretty silly in retrospect. 01:52:22 I think my patch to bring full nethack-style beautiude, corrosion, water nymphs, cockatrices, and demogorgon might have to wait a few more weeks before it gets merged 01:53:28 haha 01:55:38 mumra: do you have an opinion on dwants? 01:55:55 buppy: removal of inventory weight is of course massively controversial, and you say yourself in that ticket it's not even the best way to do it; i suspect most people here would be against the idea anyway, but you need to try and discuss it here at some time when more devs are around i think 01:57:34 and try to gauge if there is even support for it, and if so what the best implementation would be 01:58:12 yeah, there was a tavern thread but nobody seemed to agree 01:58:36 buppy: a tavern thread disagreed on something? you don't say! 01:58:50 making chunks weigh a lot less or nothing seemed good though 01:58:58 getting agreement on anything is the hardest thing, probably worse on here than in tavern even :) 01:58:59 Removal of inventory weight would be quite the buff to squishy casters. 01:59:41 Because now you can carry around everything on your DEWz that's pumping int, instead of it only being possible on your big, strong fighter. 01:59:42 remove weights, make slot count a function of strength :) 01:59:51 If I hear any dev nix an idea pretty firmly, I drop it immediately, but then again I guess I'm a coward 01:59:53 bh: hardmode engaged 02:00:35 Bloaxor: well ... it wouldn't actually change a *lot* even for someone with 4 Str for the most part 02:00:50 it would mostly result in less stash trips 02:00:52 Bloaxor: as a baseline give everyone a-z. High strength? You get A-Z! 02:01:14 ??worst ideas 02:01:15 I don't have a page labeled worst_ideas in my learndb. 02:01:16 if item destruction changes it seems natural to change burden 02:02:03 !learndb add worst_ideas Remove weights. The number of inventory slots you have is based on strength. 02:02:09 ??learndb 02:02:10 learndb[1/12]: A html page of learndb entries is at http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html . You can also access the learndb at http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots . 02:02:11 bh: what about >50 str 02:02:17 ??learndb[2] 02:02:17 learndb[2/12]: The main commands for the learndb are add, query, edit, swap, and delete. See [3] for add and insert, [4] and [5] for edit, [6] for query, [7] for swap and move. You can read entries in private queries to Henzell. You cannot change it in private, however. 02:02:25 mumra: I do find that carrying chunks is a major management issues for most mages that are using sublim a lot, which most of my mages do at some point 02:02:25 ??learndb[3] 02:02:25 learndb[3/12]: "!learn add article_name article text" adds an article to the learndb. !learn insert article_name[index] text adds an entry with a specific index. 02:02:41 !learn add worst_ideas Remove weights. The number of inventory slots you have is based on strength. 02:02:42 worst ideas[1/1]: Remove weights. The number of inventory slots you have is based on strength. 02:03:26 sublim of blood is a management issue even without item weight 02:03:57 bh: then make a monster with a hex that adds a unique annotation to each of your sultanas so they no longer stack 02:04:12 gammafunk: wow. That's worse than my idea 02:04:17 -!- Melum_ has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 02:04:38 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:44 also autoinscribe then with !d 02:04:45 buppy: What I mean is getting burdened with chunks; they take up carrying capacity very fast on low str characters 02:05:50 Well for every point you put into str instead of int you'd be able to carry two extra chunks. :x 02:05:59 yes, I know what you mean 02:06:07 Bloaxor: Like I want to level Str and not Int! 02:06:16 :-) 02:06:21 Let the wimp sweat if he must! 02:06:27 who are chunks even stored in the inventory? 02:06:32 (>not playing chei as a caster) 02:06:32 s/who/why/ 02:07:01 buppy: Store them in our cheeks, like squirrels? 02:07:12 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:13 disgusting, disgusting chunks of meat 02:07:27 squirrels don't eat meat 02:07:30 oozing their terrible juices down your throat 02:07:45 making you want to vomit more and more for every second that passes 02:07:49 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:08:06 occasionally inflicting the Retch status on you 02:08:06 replace chunks with acorns, make the spell sublimation of nuts 02:08:19 every monster is now a nut golem 02:09:09 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:12:16 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:13:53 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:38 buppy: dwants patch i'm not so sure about, it's more that i'm not quite sure what they do / what niche they fill. i'm actually not keen on the new name either. maybe the best approach would be to try and persuade e.g. amethyst to host a test server so people can try it, this has happened before 02:16:20 buppy: do they still have the shaft-self shtick? 02:16:22 buppy: so yeah i'm certain most of your patches will get dealt with eventually, they haven't really been up there that long relatively; and everyone is either really busy with loads of new stuff, or non-crawl-related-real-world-thingies 02:17:19 or non-crawl-fake-things 02:19:41 -!- TiggA has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:50 -!- TiggA has quit [Client Quit] 02:20:02 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 02:20:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:39 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 02:21:41 buppy: also when a dev pushes a community submission, they are effectively taking some responsibility for it; i generally make sure i understand the code i'm pushing and am reasonably happy it's error-free 02:22:07 buppy: e.g. for the newskald merge i looked over literally every line of code that had been changed, and made some amendments myself 02:22:54 buppy: so unfortunately larger patches can sit on mantis for quite a while until someone has the time to assess them 02:23:10 mumra: I haven't the inclination to set it up, but I think a code review tool would be really useful for dealing with non-dev patches 02:24:34 are largish (actual code) patches pretty uncommon? I'm not even sure what consitutes large. 100k? 02:24:55 100k is enormous 02:25:28 Well, I feel bad for bothering you and mumra re. jump then :) 02:25:28 we could definitely do more to get stuff moving through the queue; more devs commenting on tickets might actually help a lot 02:25:35 The whole codebase is around ~400k loc 02:25:55 well, the patch is 100k, but it's not 100k lines I suppose 02:26:07 also include other git-format stuff 02:26:14 patches contain a lot of the surrounding code so yeah the size is misleading 02:26:15 the disadvantage with mantis is that it's hard to leave detailed comments 02:26:32 a patch that adds 10 lines in different places will be substantially larger than one that adds 10 lines in one place 02:26:57 which is probably why the nihilism moth patch is getting on for 100k 02:26:59 I'm surprised it's only 400k for crawl 02:27:10 yeah, jump is also 100k 02:27:13 mumra: thanks for clarifying! I've always done stuff alone so I didn't really understand the process 02:27:17 gammafunk: that's just doing `wc -l *.{cc,h}` from source/ 02:28:10 bh: there's also the .js stuff for webtiles, and some stuff in rltiles, but I guess that's not as much 02:28:59 bh: on another project i worked on there was a weekly bug triage where everyone got together on voice comms and just went through a big batch of bug tickets together 02:29:18 bh: and either close or assign them, or set them for some future milestone 02:30:12 and we have a dizzying number of new/unassigned tickets 02:30:19 mumra: dang. that's dedication 02:30:50 (I can't imagine getting the devteam together on skype) 02:32:06 mumra: for contacting amethyst, should I just shoot him a message on irc? email? I really do think dwants would be worthwhile for testing 02:32:19 mumra: !tell works 02:32:23 er, buppy 02:32:44 I should really learn how to use bots 02:32:50 ??tell 02:32:51 I don't have a page labeled tell in my learndb. 02:33:01 |amethyst is also very regularly in this channel 02:33:12 !seen |amethyst 02:33:13 I last saw |amethyst at Fri Jul 12 02:12:39 2013 UTC (5h 20m 33s ago) joining the channel. 02:33:21 probably asleep 02:33:22 hmm 02:33:28 !help tell 02:33:30 !tell: gammafunk: OK, I'll let !help know. 02:33:33 haha 02:33:59 buppy: try !help in a PM to Henzell 02:34:07 and also !cmdinfo 02:34:10 !tell: henzell: what are all the colons about? 02:34:17 the system we used when i did QA might not be feasible in this case because bug reports are made by the general playing populace.... 02:34:30 !tell henzell what are all the colons about? 02:34:31 bh: OK, I'll let henzell know. 02:34:51 but if reporters could assign stuff to the person who is in charge of that area of problems would it help at all? 02:35:03 !tell henzell hello henzell 02:35:04 buppy: OK, I'll let henzell know. 02:35:12 ProzacElf: Grunt! I choose you! 02:35:15 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 02:35:20 lol 02:35:22 henzell listens to me now 02:35:35 i see that 02:35:59 !tell buppy Don't forget you can PM the bots as well :) 02:36:00 gammafunk: OK, I'll let buppy know. 02:36:03 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:54 !tell gammafunk check your messages 02:36:54 buppy: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 02:36:54 !messages 02:36:55 (1/2) buppy said (26s ago): ok 02:37:11 Irc is such *fun* 02:37:32 i suspect it wouldn't since we all knew who was the lead programmer for any given system though 02:38:14 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38:15 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38:15 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38:15 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 02:38:39 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38:39 -!- ivan`` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38:40 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:46 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:39:03 -!- myp has quit 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Use !messages to read it. 06:09:13 !messages 06:09:14 (1/1) mumra said (11h 7m 3s ago): sorry missed you, you'll have to let me know exactly what build steps you took; did you follow the instructions in INSTALL.txt? 06:11:35 -!- TiggA has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:12:37 -!- Tigga has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17:33 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:19 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:13 !messages 06:27:14 No messages for Tigga. 06:31:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 06:41:29 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:42 -!- Guest88034 is now known as myp 06:56:55 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:39 -!- santiago has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:15 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:02:09 -!- Xenobreeder|2 is now known as Xenobreeder 07:03:01 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:48 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:14:27 -!- Zermako has quit [] 07:17:14 -!- Comradin_ is now known as Comradin 07:23:23 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:13 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:33:51 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:05 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 07:37:53 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57:08 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:08:25 -!- santiago has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:08:55 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:15:16 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:18:28 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:49 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:24:04 -!- Guest46932 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:29:59 -!- zkyp_ is now known as zkyp 08:33:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39:01 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:16 -!- Wehk has left ##crawl-dev 08:39:54 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:30 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45:31 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:47:53 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48:22 -!- dcss80162 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:53:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:58:08 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 09:01:50 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:01:57 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:35 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:10 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:28 -!- tw__ is now known as tw_ 09:08:33 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:08:56 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:40 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 09:19:51 -!- Riddim has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:21:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:12 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:18 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:29:46 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:30:22 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:40:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:38 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:44:53 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:55 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:57 -!- Thyme has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:51:10 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:52:14 -!- kronusdark has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 09:54:58 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:37 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:00:25 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:04:54 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:30 -!- kronusdark has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 10:09:20 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:15 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:14:54 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 10:17:31 -!- dcss43418 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:16 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:27:35 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:45 -!- Thyme has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:30:57 is it actually possible to convert a 0.12.2 save to 0.13? (i should know this really) 10:32:17 Sure it is; just move it over. 10:32:18 <|amethyst> if not it's a bug 10:32:26 <|amethyst> I mean, you can't on the servers 10:32:46 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:33:01 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 10:33:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:15 <|amethyst> but it would be possible to do as long as there hadn't been a major bump 10:34:01 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:35:16 ok 10:35:24 i don't think i have actually tried at any point 10:35:28 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:54 -!- mason-- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36:30 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:47 -!- Zaba has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:29 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:26 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:07 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:50:52 -!- leStahL has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:55:25 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:55:34 -!- steve2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:59:41 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:53 -!- Poncheis has quit [Client Quit] 11:18:17 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:33 -!- Poncheis is now known as LeoZ 11:25:17 -!- LeoZ has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:25:50 -!- LeoZ is now known as Poncheis 11:27:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:29:55 -!- dcss88532 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:12 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:51 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:11 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:46:06 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:27 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:50:58 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50:58 -!- absolutego has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50:59 -!- pelotron_ has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50:59 -!- alefury has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50:59 -!- frostsnow has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50:59 -!- |amethyst has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50:59 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [*.net *.split] 11:50:59 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 11:51:00 -!- y2s82 has quit [*.net *.split] 11:51:00 -!- Twinge has quit [*.net *.split] 11:51:00 -!- morik has quit [*.net *.split] 11:51:00 -!- us17_ is now known as us17 11:51:00 -!- us17 has quit [Changing host] 11:52:01 -!- VolteccerJack_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:15 -!- VolteccerJack_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:55:13 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:58 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:01:24 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 12:04:24 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:24 -!- ophanim has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:24 -!- orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:24 -!- orionstein_ is now known as orionstein 12:04:24 -!- Duralumin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:24 -!- notlainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:24 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2355-g3ca5c6e (34) 12:07:09 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:08:43 -!- dcss9946 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:35 Mon cling loss breaking spider vaults. by dck 12:10:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:47 -!- V38 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:12:48 are the new evocable items added into acquirement yet? 12:15:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:18 Doesn't look like sack of spiders is, but phial of floods was from the moment it was originally merged 12:17:26 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:27 Oh, wait, nevermind 12:17:29 Sack of spiders is too 12:18:01 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:20 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:20:35 thanks to whomever made the tile for that, by the way 12:20:42 it looks good 12:20:58 -!- absolute1o is now known as ORANGEBOX 12:25:14 -!- mason-- has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:43 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:30:18 fr: 7-bladed sword unrand 12:31:19 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:43 +7,+7 septuple sword 12:35:20 of slicing and speed 12:36:55 and sh+7 12:37:35 i'd use it 12:38:05 "so many blades it's practically a shield!" 12:39:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:21 -!- gammafunk has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:08 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 12:43:21 the +7,+7 Shichishito 12:45:02 -!- klz__ has quit [Changing host] 12:47:46 -!- klz__ is now known as klz_ 12:47:53 implement it 12:49:36 while wielding it all numbers are 7 12:50:47 -!- klz_ is now known as klz 12:51:04 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:23 -!- Wehk has left ##crawl-dev 12:51:49 -!- ackack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:22 sets your hp to 7 but whenever you hit you deal 7777 damage 12:53:23 -!- V38 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:58:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:00:00 hits are agony but 1/7 of hp instead of 1/2 13:01:06 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:41 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:04:38 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:37 ontoclasm: bloax did that tile although it was mainly offered as a stand-in, since it doesn't really match the description 13:07:47 unless i change the description and lose flavour :P 13:19:39 -!- dcss32045 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:21:37 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 13:21:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:22:07 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:22:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:56 Haha, this is a hilarious sequence of messages when you try to cast torment using wizmode: 13:25:59 Dummy Monster calls on the powers of darkness! 13:25:59 Your body is wracked with pain! 13:26:00 Dummy Monster convulses! 13:26:00 Dummy Monster dies! 13:26:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:30 rip dummy monster 13:26:34 Haha 13:26:44 I got that kind of stuff when I tried to set up conj-based veh wrath 13:26:53 The interesting thing is that it didn't seem to actually torment any of the monsters in LoS EXCEPT me 13:26:56 lots of messages about the wrath of vehumet mumbling some words 13:26:58 or dying 13:27:02 Hahaha 13:27:09 rip the wrath of vehumet 13:27:30 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:29:06 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 13:29:17 elliott: Oh so your veh wrath never actually happened 13:34:07 -!- jason55 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:35:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:30 -!- Duralumin_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:54 -!- Duralumin_ is now known as Duralumin 13:44:12 mumra: what was it supposed to be for? 13:44:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:45:15 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:18 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:38 ontoclasm: no idea, i think it was something he'd drawn for some unrelated reason and had lying around, at least that's the impression i got 13:55:21 -!- Cunnus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:56:43 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:01:45 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 14:01:54 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:58 aha 14:02:11 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:02:12 well, yeah, we should make something of it 14:03:32 -!- Xenobreeder|2 is now known as Xenobreeder 14:06:49 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:19 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:42 I love the tile displayed for asmodeus and dispater 14:07:53 (with knowledge bots page) 14:09:40 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-2356-gbdc5638: Remove some water from Spider vaults 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 161+ 169-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdc56382eacf 14:09:40 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-2357-gc9f81e6: Add some Lua functions by rwbarton to advanced_optioneering.txt 10(78 seconds ago, 1 file, 32+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9f81e6cff83 14:09:56 Oo, less water in spider 14:11:44 "even more webs" 14:13:04 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:53 MarvinPA: another neat thing for advanced_optineering: the auto-ammo-pickup thing i stole from somebody 14:14:07 it's long but it's preety cool 14:16:03 options thing I'd like: option for notes to show any permanent cuts to one's maxhp or maxmp 14:19:52 wow good patch 14:23:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:23:42 -!- cjo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:40 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:46 -!- Guest46932 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:27:10 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:28:15 -!- ORANGEBOX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:36:11 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:16 -!- ORANGEBOX has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:36:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 14:37:53 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:40:01 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:40:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:56 ontoclasm: hm, is that necessary now that ranged classes start out with their ammo on autopickup? and now that the autopickup menu exists, even 14:42:15 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:42:49 MarvinPA: I dunno, the optioneering way might be better 14:43:06 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:22 my way can't really be overridden in the rc file ... 14:43:42 does ranged classes still include EE :P 14:43:55 if it's the function i'm thinking of, it was created before the autopickup menu existed and it turns on ammo autopickup based on whether your ranged combat skills are above a certain amount compared to other ranged combat skills 14:44:27 not sure if it even works at low skill levels, but probably it could be adjusted to 14:44:44 elliott: hmm 14:45:57 MarvinPA: correct 14:46:03 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:25 i should note it has several flaws 14:46:33 -!- marquess is now known as psuedo 14:46:39 e.g. if you use heroism you start picking up all sorts of junk 14:46:49 because you temporarily have points in bows etc. 14:48:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:49:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:50:31 -!- dcss20704 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:53:28 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:29 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:54:35 hi.. who is the right guy to talk about the translation?? 14:54:57 ??translation 14:54:58 transifex[1/1]: https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/dcss/ 14:55:21 hmm, who's always doing those transifex syncs 14:55:34 cool.. thanks.. 14:56:01 SamB: galehar 14:56:59 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 14:57:45 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:01:35 sure, talked to mumra, but didn't reach galehar.. can someone invite me to the german translation? 15:02:08 -!- ChanServ has quit [shutting down] 15:03:04 Tigga: you could post in this thread https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2100 15:03:10 Grimm also has transifex admin 15:03:28 ok. will do.. thanks again.. :) 15:03:47 Tigga: in fact it says on there, just sign up to Transifex then apply to the team you want 15:04:59 I signed up, but have no idea to apply to the team.. :) 15:05:03 +how 15:05:33 go onto the page for the German project, i assume there will be an apply link there 15:06:20 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:06:45 oh man.. i hate translated sites.. :) found the button.. it's late it's late (here) ;) 15:06:59 haha 15:07:07 what, transifex's own translation is poor? 15:07:47 Tigga: what triggers the site showing up translated? 15:07:55 maybe noone who is native german.. ^^ 15:08:22 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:09:05 well you'd have thought a website designed for helping people translate UI text 15:09:09 would put a bit of effort in and have some language resources available to translate their own UI 15:09:28 i mean, it's literally the one thing they are promising to help your project with 15:09:45 hehe.. yes.. 15:13:18 SamB: I expected somewhat like "Team unterst�tzen" but the Button shows "Gruppe beitreten" (it means nearly the same, but didn't see this one in upper right ... ) 15:14:54 Tigga: I mean did it show up when you first visited the site, because you have foolishly listed german above english in your list of accepted languages ? 15:14:56 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:04 SamB the site realized that I'm with a german IP and showed up in german.. and after sign-up it showed the button.. in "right" language.. :) 15:16:47 Tigga: IP? what is this, Google? 15:17:32 SamB: IP=IP-address; the adress your provider gives you when you're online.. 15:18:00 I know that 15:18:40 I mean I don't think that's the proper way to detect desired language, even if Google *does* do it that way by default 15:20:09 aw.. right.. sorry missed the joke.. it's late.. (here) you're down under or US? 15:23:40 US 15:24:08 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:13 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:24 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:24:26 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 15:24:49 ok.. gotta go for today.. thanks for your help and your patience, notably mumra.. bye and good night.. 15:25:04 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:16 -!- Blazinghand__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:25:23 -!- Tigga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:40 -!- Celsitud1 is now known as Celsitudo 15:26:38 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:27:45 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:28:49 -!- Vesto has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:34:30 -!- Cunnus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:52 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:35:06 -!- ORANGEBOX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:35:37 In a crowd of monsters, the one that appears to be adjacent is not the one the game thinks is adjacent by battaile 15:36:41 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:38:23 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:42:02 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:25 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:43:31 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: Restarting] 15:46:15 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:57 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:42 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 15:51:48 -!- tJener has quit [Changing host] 16:01:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:02:16 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:26 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:03 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:06:34 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:13:35 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdou] 16:14:39 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:50 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:42 -!- Thyme has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:04 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:41 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:15 -!- tesudzi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:36:10 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:39:11 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:51:30 -!- frostsno1 is now known as frostsnow 16:56:21 aha! finally replicated it 16:56:32 somebody observe my game on cszo 17:02:18 um 17:02:52 invisible hydra 17:02:58 is this just the tile monsterlist bug or did you somehow kill the hydra but instead make it invis 17:03:04 it's alive 17:03:12 it's just invisible for some reason 17:03:20 hmm, terminal... 17:03:23 i don't know if it can attack me 17:03:30 let's find out! 17:03:43 nope 17:03:49 is it invisible just in tiles or 17:03:58 no, i noticed this is console first 17:04:00 in* 17:04:07 this only occurs when 17:04:12 i have a spectral flaming weapon 17:04:21 what i believe happened is, my spectral weapon actaully killed it 17:04:26 mm yes I see 17:04:35 wow this looks weird 17:04:36 but for some reason it sort of halfway hangs around 17:04:46 if i attack it it'll die normally 17:04:54 I sort of think spectral weapon attack timing is kind of odd 17:05:00 So possibly it bypasses some cleanup checks? 17:05:12 Haven't looked at the code much myself though 17:05:17 idk 17:05:41 i can just save this and let you guys look at it if you like 17:05:46 i'll back it up 17:05:57 I suppose making a save backup wouldn't hurt here 17:07:06 Wow, what a strange piece of code 17:07:06 defender->is_monster() 17:07:07 && defender->as_monster()->has_hydra_multi_attack() 17:07:07 && defender->type != MONS_SPECTRAL_THING 17:07:17 There's suppose by an if at the start, sorry 17:07:19 http://dobrazupa.org/saves/pseudoclasm-crawl-git-3ca5c6ee54-130712-2206.tar.bz2 17:07:32 But under what situation would a spectral weapon ever also be a hydra? 17:07:51 spectral_thing 17:07:55 not spectral_weapon 17:08:01 ..... 17:08:02 spectral hydras don't do the head chopping thing 17:08:05 Dammit 17:08:07 xD 17:08:18 Okay, to be fair, the bit of code right ABOVE it DID involve both hydras and spectral weapons 17:08:22 DracoOmega: Does that check for head chopping? 17:08:31 It's not related to this problem, I am fairly sure 17:08:39 Just something that popped up while I was skimming for it 17:09:13 n7 will be disappointed, he wanted me to try and die to an unhydra 17:09:42 sadly the half of it that's dead includes the bit with the teeth 17:10:52 -!- Melum has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:11:45 Haha 17:13:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15:02 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 17:15:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:15:37 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:19:10 i think i'm going to alter the monsters-rendering-in-clouds thing a bit 17:19:21 and make the top part only 30% 17:19:31 let's see if i can manage it 17:21:18 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:24:54 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:10 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:31:25 -!- BrocoLee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:31:47 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:32:40 fr: spectral weapons do to spectral hydras what normal weapons do to normal hydras 17:34:23 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:41 ugggh this commit is impossible to find 17:39:42 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:42 ah. nope, i can't manage it 17:39:42 nevermind 17:39:42 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:40:20 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:09 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:50:03 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:13 what commit? 17:55:49 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:33 -!- Blazinghand__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:59:29 the one where clouds display in partial transparency over units 17:59:31 i found it 18:10:09 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:18 uh, gargoyles just flatout have wings now right 18:11:27 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:37 above an xl i think 18:11:47 i mean like, physically 18:11:53 do they grow them at xl14? 18:12:12 no, you get entirely re-sculpted at that XL 18:12:19 or did they have them all along but just suck like a draconian 18:12:37 imo they grow them and it's incredibly painful 18:12:39 * geekosaur guessed the latter. probably something about being heavy stone 18:12:49 if they grow them how are they not living 18:12:52 should get tormented when they hit xl 14 18:13:17 also dracs have vestigial wings but can't wear body armour, whereas gargs have working ones but can 18:13:35 (i don't care about this at all) 18:14:09 gargoyles are more skilled at modding armour 18:14:13 ...wow 18:14:38 human_dark_m.png 18:14:42 very pc 18:15:02 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:15:40 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:57 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:58 ugh, i have got to just redo all the player base tiles 18:22:31 -!- fdel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:14 Are they really that bad? 18:25:30 The vast majority are very clearly done in a very strict palette. 18:25:44 also they have really weird proportions and shading 18:26:16 i mean, they're okay 18:26:56 but they could be waaaay better with minor, but sadly tedious, edits 18:27:10 Hm? 18:27:34 Would be nice with an example. c: 18:27:44 Might be other things more in need of tiling first ^^; 18:27:54 haha 18:27:58 But hey, those things are hopefully also less tedious! 18:28:23 well, doing, like, the humans would be easy and quick 18:28:40 and then the rest is just slooooowly editing everything to match that 18:28:56 gibbe 18:28:59 it's not even the base tiles themselves, it's the body armour tiles that have to match 18:29:14 oh boy 18:30:36 Oh dear. That sounds like a lot of editing 18:31:20 yeah, probably >.< 18:31:25 but it's worth it 18:48:01 -!- psuedo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:55:49 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2358-gf7e0b2b: Base tiles for player gargoyles 10(71 seconds ago, 4 files, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7e0b2bf65fd 18:56:29 now they don't look like humans anymore 18:56:35 -!- grathtarg has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58:30 "next: remake monster gargoyle tiles in the style of all the fancy statue tiles" 19:01:28 haha 19:01:34 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:38 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:39 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:39 -!- tcjsavannah_ is now known as tcjsavannah 19:05:50 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:55 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:42 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:00 hi dpeg! 19:09:09 (and all!) 19:13:23 Hi there! 19:13:24 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:13:34 I have some more time ... for one week :) 19:13:39 !messages 19:13:40 (1/3) reaver said (1w 21h 4m 22s ago): s/0.11 results/0.11 survey results/ 19:13:47