00:04:33 -!- snwl has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:05:42 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2133-ge955d09 (34) 00:06:13 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-2133-ge955d09 (34) 00:08:55 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:08 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:56 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:51 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2133-ge955d09 (34) 00:13:55 * SamB is beginning to wonder if there is only one volcano 00:15:00 hmm, looks like it has variations once you get out of the first chamber? 00:16:52 spirit wolf (13h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 11 | HP: 38-61 | AC/EV: 5/19 | Dam: 23 | sense invisible | Res: 06magic(73), 09poison+++, 13neg+++ | XP: 560 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:16:52 %??spirit_wolf 00:20:50 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:46 do spirit wolves leave corpses 00:22:43 Game crashes while trying to access previously visited level by ttf 00:23:08 nope, they do not 00:24:37 -!- ColdPie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:24:37 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:27:50 -!- url has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:28:17 -!- url has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:49 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2134-g94441c8: Spirit wolf tile 10(33 seconds ago, 6 files, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94441c8f0af6 00:29:30 fr rename those guys the cwn annwn 00:30:22 -!- ColdPie has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:27 Only if we can add banshees, too. 00:30:31 <_< 00:31:14 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:31:31 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: what's the singular of that? 00:31:44 i believe the singular and plural are the same 00:31:45 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:31:51 might be wrong though 00:32:03 <|amethyst> "cwn" is definitely plural, the singular is "ci" 00:33:14 <|amethyst> I guess maybe "ci annwn" but I'm not sure whether there would be any kind of mutation 00:33:49 gaelige pluralization is mind-boggling 00:36:11 i'm guessing annwn would remain the same, since it's a place name 00:36:39 ...of course, place names can change, but "Annwn" is how the river is spelled by itself 00:37:08 (Forest ending idea alert!) 00:37:35 <|amethyst> ah, yes... apparently Welsh has very little inflection for case 00:40:38 Is there a need for more forest ends? 00:41:03 Yes. 00:41:42 I'd probably be setting my sites a bit too high with one of those 00:41:54 But I could give it a shot 00:41:59 s/site/sight/ 00:42:23 thanks, mr. irc spellcheck 00:44:05 is there a quick way to recolour all Zin recitations? 00:46:18 <|amethyst> rchandra: I don't think so... they're on MSGCH_MULTITURN_ACTION, not their own 00:47:15 <|amethyst> haha, godabil.cc:399 : string recite = "Hail Satan."; 00:47:15 guess I can recolour multiturn, those are at least probably the only ones in combat 00:47:26 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2134-g94441c8 00:48:23 |amethyst: Is that some kind of degenerate case? 00:51:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-2135-g30a82c2: Rename layout_woods -> layout_forest for clarity 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 148+ 148-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=30a82c2f1ebe 00:51:26 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-2136-g1a4dbc5: Clean up layout_forest 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a4dbc55a155 00:52:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it will always be overwritten 00:52:43 <|amethyst> since it's immediately followed by an if/else, both branches of which assign to recite 00:53:02 would it be desirable to include a killer's polymorph-source field in hiscore data/DGL logs? Could maybe prepend it to blame, so summoned monsters will still have their original ikiller. Though non-summoned polymorphs will get a new ikiller. 00:53:22 -!- Ragnor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:24 though mons_add_blame only appends to blame, right now. 00:54:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:26 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:23 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:12:37 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:51 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:17:51 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:49 New Ely 'weak' status revenge occurrs on every apis kill by Grandiloquent Gentleman 01:31:45 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 01:48:19 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:48:41 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:52:43 -!- Lison has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:53:09 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:12 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:45 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:39 oh that's interesting. HD0 monsters always die in one hit. 02:05:29 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 02:06:26 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:37 I was wondering why my wiz mode spectral weapons were dying so easily. I had no skill in half the weapons being tested. 02:07:45 I knew it was fragile, but that was too fragile. 02:08:57 qoala_: maxhp 0? That will crash in some rare cases. 02:09:09 and is obviously not a good thing 02:10:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:07 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:51 -!- purge_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:17:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 02:17:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:26 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:54 is there a way to make a band in wizmode or do I need to make them one at a time? 02:25:19 &M orc band 02:25:21 er 02:25:25 orcs don't have band 02:25:28 orc knight band 02:25:45 i guess normal orcs have other normal orcs as a band 02:25:50 I tried centaur warrior band and centaur band, just made the individuals 02:26:18 those sound SCARY 02:26:45 but they do ROCK 02:26:56 heh I have 5 centaurs about to kill me on d:11 and I want to see if sanctuary might work 02:27:08 kilobyte: no, hd=0, with maxhp set manually by the ghost 02:30:23 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31:45 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:34:19 rchandra: "bands" have a fairly high chance of not actually being a band 02:34:29 for most monsters 02:35:40 hmmm... while having no-skill spectral weapons instantly fold under opposition might be appropriate, the rework I'm considering for damage sharing would end up dealing the weapon's full hp to the owner in that case (since amount is upped to enforce the instant death). 02:35:47 oh, interesting. guess I've mostly just used 'band' with uniques in fightclub 02:36:27 I should probably just lower bound the HD at 1, until we rework its to-hit to be more appropriate. 02:36:29 !fight orc band v orc band 02:36:59 !fight orc high priest band v orc high priest band 02:37:53 !fight orc high priest band; battleaxe v orc high priest band; great mace 02:38:30 !fight orc high priest band; battleaxe v orc high priest band; great mace 02:39:09 wait why did some of the dudes have no text on their monster list entries 02:39:15 !fight orc high priest band; battleaxe v orc high priest band; great mace 02:40:23 !fight orc high priest band v gnoll shaman band t:10 02:40:44 ...i apparently hit a color crawl assumes to represent transparency 02:40:46 by accident 02:40:57 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:42:33 !fight orc high priest band v 2 gnoll shaman band t:10 02:45:02 is AC:2,EV:10 at 0 power scaling up to AC:12,EV:20 at 100 power reasonable for spectral weapon? Or should I push it stronger? It's defenses will be worse than the player's, but damage sharing is going to be a fraction of that taken, when I'm done. 02:45:54 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-2137-g072dbc4: Silver wall tile. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=072dbc411b4a 02:53:07 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: zzz] 02:55:17 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:11 Jazzimus' zot:5 has a pretty amazing layout 02:59:19 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 03:00:01 bnice 03:03:11 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:08 does zot:5 always have a circular half now? 03:08:18 no 03:09:17 that layout has a moderate weight but it's not even always circular 03:10:54 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11:56 -!- AriaC has quit [] 03:12:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:13:02 well ... got a deep elf summoner as far as lair, all i can say is Su is still overpowered 03:13:10 although it's frequently challenging and satisfying now 03:15:00 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:17:29 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:34 anyone have any thoughts on the defensive stats for spectral weapon I suggested? 03:19:49 it sounds reasonable. would have to see how it plays; could maybe go a bit stronger. what damage sharing ratio are you looking at? 03:21:10 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:21:49 I was still thinking 1/2, similar to elemental vulnerability. The weapon has some resistances as well. 03:22:33 now that it has reasonable EV (for monsters, though), I'm hoping it'll get hit less often. 03:23:04 Since it shares damage, unlike a normal summon, it might not need to be compared to summon defenses, though. So I may be scaling things wrong. 03:23:17 qoala_: does it really matter to get it right the first time? EV/AC can be easily tweaked later after playtesting, no? 03:24:28 probably not, but I'd still like to make a reasonable effort at each step of the way. 03:28:46 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:33:26 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:50 Okay, next on the list is damage sharing. I'm cutting it to 1/2 for now. I want to move it to monster::react_to_damage from monster::hurt, so that the damage receives all the usual modifications rather than being raw input. 03:39:29 Currently, it is also capped at leaving the owner with at least 1hp. Would something similar to flaying be appropriate? That might make it less dangerous to use at low levels? 03:40:04 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: i'm not drowsy and it's almost 4 am] 03:40:58 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:41:56 that might be nice. 03:44:45 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:47 reducing the sharing would be nice, especially if the weapon has weak ac like currently, but guaranteed safe hp seems wrong to me 03:46:02 it's not a hostile action, it's something you brought on yourself 03:46:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:46:32 qoala_: can i check something; does the algorithm look at actual damage done, or damage received? i.e. if my SW has 10 HP left, and something does 50HP damage to it, does the full 50HP get shared? because that would seem kind of wrong 03:47:30 It currently caps it at current weapon hitpoints manually 03:47:44 I'm moving the code to reacts_to_damage, which will already have that cap applied 03:47:47 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47:48 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 03:47:56 ok cool 03:48:03 well, taking more than the weapon lost would be a bug IMO 03:48:21 yeah, that was noted during local tests 03:48:24 If I'm correct that spectral weapon cannot receive INSTANT_DEATH damage, this should be fine. 03:48:46 If the weapon does receive such, the player will take damage proportional to the weapon's current hp at the time. 03:49:16 It mostly looked like draining and other inapplicable special cases that could deal that. 03:51:47 kilobyte: so you think the sharing should be virtually lethal? I'd rather not allow it to directly kill the player, since that would probably involve teaching the hiscore/logfiles how the damage was received in order to be clear. 03:53:40 the damage is currently passed through to ouch, as if it came from the original agent. 04:01:01 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:44 -!- RZX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:59 Am I correct in understanding that the cleanup_dead parameter of hurt being false means that: the caller wants to use the target monster and accepts responsibility for its death? 04:03:52 Because if so, its caller is not taking responsibility for the weapon's owner's death. So the cleanup_dead parameter shouldn't be passed through to the owner's pain. 04:04:53 Otherwise monster spectral weapon might have a really weird problem if its owner was killed, but not cleaned up, from constriction (and a few other cases) damage to the weapon. 04:06:22 qoala_: could work like the pain spell 04:07:32 * kilobyte really wishes cleanup_dead was gone, it's a source of constant pain. 04:08:52 which part of the pain spell? 04:09:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:44 -!- steve___ is now known as Guest87395 04:15:07 !tell ontoclasm cool silver wall tile! 04:15:08 alefury: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 04:16:24 kilobyte, what did you mean? 04:16:51 leaving the player at 1 hp is good 04:17:39 and by the other line, I meant inconsistently either cleaning dead or not is a notorious source of crashes, and hard to get right with the current scheme 04:18:45 ah, yeah. It looks like a mess. I've somehow played necromancers and never learned that pain still works leaving the player at 1hp 04:22:30 Okay, leaving it at 'never directly fatal by a technicality of 1hp'. 04:22:52 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:58 If you got 1hp by damage sharing, it should be likely that the opponent could've just killed you instead. 04:27:29 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:29:06 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:56 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:25 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:36 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:34:32 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:45:47 Perhaps the spectral weapon shouldn't be passing the damage flavour either. 04:46:25 It doesn't necessarily make sense that if the weapon is disintegrated that the player should bleed everywhere. 04:47:24 heh 04:47:26 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 04:47:30 it really hurts? 04:48:00 it would also chunk a monster if you kill it via disintegration on its weapon. 04:48:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48:40 I guess the only things to pass through, really were the amount of damage and the agent. 04:49:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:49:46 oh and monsters (but not players) would have their ozo's armour melted by fire damage to the weapon. 04:50:29 Is there a monster with ozo's armour? 04:50:53 I don't think so, but the code path is there. 04:51:05 Right 04:51:33 Fannar (12e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 80 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1261 | Sp: b.cold (3d18), refrigeration, ice beast, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 04:51:33 %?? fannar 04:51:43 doesn't look like it. 04:53:10 Does anyone know if damage sharing should be a fineff? 04:53:21 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:06 or if a player can safely be a recipient of a delayed_damage_fineff? It takes an actor, not a monster, recipient. 04:54:22 This is probably another of those things that's hard to get right. 04:56:46 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:58:29 If I understand fineffs correctly, it probably doesn't matter much until monster's cast spectral weapon. Since the only important state change of damage is !alive(), and if the player's dead, who cares. 04:59:34 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:00:26 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 05:01:01 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: later] 05:15:03 a 05:15:04 7 05:17:44 Medar: yes 05:21:09 I sank your battleship? 05:21:28 does anyone understand fineffs? 05:22:30 -!- dcss76185 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:23:37 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:26:10 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:05 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:29:22 qoala_: some dude did some fineff things lately, so i think there is someone who does. i just dont remember who 05:35:15 I'll have to check again after I sleep 05:35:24 -!- qoala_ has quit [Quit: sleep] 05:42:15 new game mode: electronic battlesphere 05:47:23 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:51:34 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:53:27 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:00:59 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:15:57 Medar: I thought that was a soldier ant and a dryad 06:16:09 -!- dcss31202 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16:44 -!- dcss25521 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:01 -!- dcss31866 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:10 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:29 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:21:47 -!- dcss19910 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:59 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:23:34 -!- dcss16859 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:55 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:24:03 -!- dcss20244 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:33 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:18 -!- dcss5552 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:26:37 -!- dcss38813 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:11 -!- dcss30748 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:50 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28:55 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:00 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:33 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:32:04 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:32:39 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 06:33:20 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:36:27 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:53:52 Forest Floor tiles, several miscellaneous monster tiles, one WIP tile by roctavian 07:05:48 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:11:57 -!- Guest87395 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:13:34 -!- datgum has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:22:36 Erm can twisters move you through walls? 07:22:42 I'm pretty sure that just happened to me 07:24:01 yes 07:24:16 Ok, so it's intended 07:27:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:28:55 well, arguable 07:30:03 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:01 -!- steve___ is now known as Guest92016 07:38:25 -!- Lison has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:43:45 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:44:31 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:58 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 07:57:14 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:05:29 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:11:16 -!- snwl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:11:56 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:12:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:12:44 -!- purge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:34 -!- Lison has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:13:34 -!- purge_ has quit [Client Quit] 08:14:42 Weapon Selections Do Not Make Sense by waster 08:15:55 great report 08:17:28 elliott: I wonder how no one noticed this bug before 08:30:50 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:31:13 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:23 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:39:44 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:01 roguelike reddits has a funny thread "Whisper Farewell when you leave, Summonings" :) Funny players 08:42:04 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:42:54 -!- jotwebe has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43:00 sudoninja17 the Insei (L2 DgTm) (D:2) 08:47:46 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:39 ohh, nice 08:52:54 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 09:01:19 Another one is about a Xom game: "You hear Xom's maniacal laughter. Your sausage vibrates." 09:02:49 FR: ability to kick items into a corner (like in Nethack) 09:03:15 joosa: for not-to-be-used-by-monster purposes? 09:03:33 That, and for clearing useless items from near your oh so organized stack! 09:03:58 FR: hurting your toe when kicking a scythe 09:04:15 joosa: unless your starting background is gardener 09:04:21 yes 09:04:32 They know not to kick the blade 09:04:33 ...starts following Fedhas? 09:04:39 Comes with a scythe as a weapon? 09:06:56 (todo next April) 09:08:58 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:18 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:42 theres something about gardening in badforum, its quite good 09:22:27 sadly, its no longer in the learndb. anyway: 09:22:29 Let the player cultivate a garden. Gardening is an active and optional interaction and it would make the game more interesting for the players who chose to do it. Players who hated carving chunks could just farm all their food somewhere. Since fruit is faster to eat anyway, this would be a strategic decision as well. 09:23:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:24:57 alefury: wow :) 09:25:44 Need to add new weapons like.. sickle 09:30:44 joosa: You should restart RHL WebTiles server at some point 09:30:47 lol 09:30:57 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:30:57 Wasn't a joke! 09:31:03 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:31:07 no, lol to alefury 09:31:12 haha 09:31:22 Webtiles server restarted. 09:31:25 Medar: there 09:31:30 Thanks 09:32:07 Does everything look like it should be? 09:32:43 Yep 09:32:49 Goood 09:34:00 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:34:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:56 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 09:36:41 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 09:40:07 !messages 09:40:07 No messages for TZer0. 09:43:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:29 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:22 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08:07 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:09:33 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:10:55 -!- ais523_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:11:04 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:05 -!- marquess is now known as psuedo 10:17:07 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:19:22 -!- snwl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:19:40 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [] 10:21:37 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:28:23 -!- sbanwart has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:29:47 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:20 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:35:37 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:44:38 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:14 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:38 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 10:49:21 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:14 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:56 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:55:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:57:43 -!- Guest92016 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:58:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:00:28 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:10:03 -!- six40sword has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:54 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:14 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Changing host] 11:15:19 -!- Voker57 has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:15:23 -!- Voker57|2 is now known as Voker57 11:16:31 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:11 -!- steve___ is now known as Guest38149 11:19:40 FR: Sif penance: she still gives book gifts but hurls them at you with much force, causing high damage 11:20:11 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:21:29 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:40 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:35:29 -!- mason- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:39:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44:05 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:24 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:52:02 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: welp cya] 12:02:15 -!- NaWz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:04:11 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:05:17 -!- odiv has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:31 Hey, any way to see what just happened? I walked down the stairs to D24 for the first time, hit o to autoexplore and then killed something unknowingly. I don't think I left anything poisoned on upper floors. I have a longbow equipped. Could I have walked into an unseen horror or something and just killed it? It doesn't say that I swung or anything... 12:07:37 do you have any permanent allies that may have been shafted? 12:08:13 have you used any cloud spells? 12:08:21 Good question. I don't believe so. All I've had are Trog brothers and scroll of summoning. 12:08:41 Yeah, I used a rod of venom a bunch. But not in a while. Could something have been poisoned then fallen down a shaft? 12:08:50 i guess, yes 12:08:59 you mean, like, jumped? 12:09:12 That seems like it might be what happened then. That's interesting. 12:09:17 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:09:28 Thanks. 12:10:01 * SamB does seem to remember seeing something about fleeing down shafts 12:10:31 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Iceweasel 21.0/20130515140136]] 12:11:42 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:14:33 -!- m1nced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:17:10 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:17 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2137-g072dbc4 (34) 12:19:54 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:27 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:13 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:03 -!- us17 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:49 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:31:05 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35:00 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:35 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:43:40 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:43:48 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:45:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:49:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:21 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58:57 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:18:35 -!- casmith789 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:40 kilobyte: does mon-pick have any documentation actually in the source, or was it just in the original commit? 13:20:47 -!- Palyth has quit [] 13:24:58 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:27:11 -!- casmith789 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:20 -!- Xenobreeder|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:38:29 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:15 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:01 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:48:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:02 Staircase relabels as unexplored by ACG 13:58:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:59:19 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 14:00:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:01:11 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:53 -!- mnoqy has quit [Quit: hello] 14:14:25 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:24:33 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:26:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:52 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:30:27 recite doesn't cost food, but can't be used when starving. bug? 14:30:30 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:56 no, most abilities that don't cost food work that way 14:31:07 as do spells that don't cost food etc 14:31:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:32:34 hmm, too bad we don't have an FAQ or something we could put that in 14:32:55 because I don't remember why that is 14:33:13 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:35:09 inability to concentrate effectively? 14:35:15 * geekosaur assumed such 14:35:28 spells have a zero cost 14:36:06 different from no cost at all IMO 14:36:40 geekosaur: yes I know I can't concentrace, how is that relevant to the question at hand 14:36:43 ;-P 14:37:03 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Quit: emeraldemon] 14:38:11 !tell qoala i did some stuff with fineffs recently if you need help still 14:38:13 mumra: OK, I'll let qoala know. 14:46:34 -!- Greenblue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:39 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:55:31 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:05 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:25 -!- ahahahah has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:04:00 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:05:44 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:13:43 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:16:01 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:19:19 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:27:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:53 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:39:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:04 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42:55 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:42:56 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:51:10 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:52:14 -!- notlainiw has quit [Quit: wooo] 15:52:17 Hmm, is there a reliable list somewhere of how much XP you need to raise a skill to a certain level? 15:52:50 I know it depends on your total XP too, but I'm mainly interested in the ratios between skill levels, which probably stays the same 15:53:16 i doubt it depends on your total xp 15:53:48 it depends on your racial aptitude in the skill 15:53:56 It depends on how many skill levels you already have if I recall right. 15:53:59 In addition to that. 15:54:20 all skill levels or just the one skills' levels? 15:54:26 skill's * 15:54:26 All of them. 15:54:26 All skill levels 15:54:34 interesting 15:54:47 Badwiki has this table http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Xp 15:54:52 -!- Bleu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:55 But well, it's the wiki 15:56:55 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:57:10 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:58:03 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:58:12 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 15:59:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:01:05 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 16:01:51 -!- scummos_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:17 hrm, we're missing Mac builds past 0.12.0; I've checked that GreatZebu didn't reply to my mails 16:03:33 including that potion of experience crash 16:03:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:42 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:47 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:17:49 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:20:27 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:20:28 -!- Snarwin has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21:37 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:25:54 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:25:58 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:26:09 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:22 I think Zin Recite leaks that a monster is a shapeshifter 16:26:47 I was offered the choice of Abominations in sight of a giant slug and a cyclops zombie 16:27:55 is there a problem with that? 16:28:14 is zombie not an abomination? 16:28:17 I mean, why can't Zin leak that info if he wants to 16:28:45 well making the player hit aR next to everything if he wants to bore himself is one consequence 16:29:04 though I guess you can only do this safely if the existing monsters would already give you a choice of books 16:29:25 also: Zin protects your body from unnatural transformation! You turn into a fleshy mushroom. 16:29:31 here zin is just lying. 16:29:52 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:08 well, okay, so maybe Zin should leak that info better if he's going to leak it 16:30:13 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:28 I can buy that 16:30:37 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:35:45 Zin doesn't protect from polymorph, but he says he does. by rchandra 16:36:42 maybe he protected you from turning into a tree 16:37:16 maybe he should have been clearer in the message 16:38:36 <|amethyst> Tried it again (one zap) and got "Zin protects your body from unnatural transformation! x3" 16:39:02 so the message his him having a chance of blocking it? 16:39:14 <|amethyst> the message is him blocking it 16:39:18 so turning into a mushroom is perfectly natural 16:39:23 <|amethyst> but it's trying more than once 16:39:24 I see 16:39:37 <|amethyst> oh 16:39:41 <|amethyst> yup 16:39:47 <|amethyst> for (int tries = 0; tries < 3; tries++) 16:42:04 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:23 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:24 -!- steve___ is now known as Guest65060 16:47:52 -!- dcss46969 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:48:43 -!- Guest38149 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:18 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2138-g5623267: Reformat perlin.cc 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 85+ 51-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5623267e1204 16:50:18 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2139-gd27db1e: Reformat some perl. 10(21 hours ago, 8 files, 108+ 60-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d27db1ede319 16:50:18 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2140-g111a51c: Axe a stray comma. 10(21 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=111a51c59925 16:50:18 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2141-gb487634: Pepper "you" and level chunks of save files with canaries. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 81+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b487634b5f02 16:50:27 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:38 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:03 beh, our use of exceptions sucks: it loses the stack trace, and inhibits proper dumps 16:51:48 there isn't much of it, though, is there? 16:52:02 perhaps the code should pass a flag telling whether a given exception will be fatal, and if so, it shouldn't be thrown? 16:52:08 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 16:52:13 short_read_exception in this case 16:52:55 it should be non-fatal when browsing saves or reading a ghost, but fatal when actually loading a save, including restoring a level 16:53:53 <|amethyst> alternatively, take a backtrace and store it in the exception? 16:54:55 possibly, but a core dump would be worthless 16:55:42 kryft: that wiki page is 0.10 :P 16:55:59 mumra: I know, but even more importantly it's the wiki :P 16:56:10 mumra: i.e. who knows if it was true even then! 16:57:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:46 |amethyst: that sounds really klunky 16:58:00 mumra: I would think that the core xp formulas hadn't changed since then though? 16:58:15 we can't even do that on all platforms 16:58:48 and kilobyte's way is MUCH better for debugging 17:03:21 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:38 actually, |amethyst's would be better if we had complex multi-layer exceptions 17:03:40 -!- Melum has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:03:46 but we fortunately don't 17:04:56 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 17:05:07 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:32 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:16 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:07:17 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:18 kryft: probably not, no 17:10:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:11:32 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 17:22:06 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:22:34 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:49 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2142-g9ce8883: Roll Zin's protection against polymorph only once. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ce88839945a 17:27:49 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-2143-g6b712aa: Don't spam fail messages when checking form validity. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b712aaa90b1 17:29:26 magicpoints (L22 NaSk) ERROR: range check error (-56 / 17) (Shoals:5) 17:32:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:48 !lm magicpoints type=crash -log 17:33:48 1. magicpoints, XL22 NaSk, T:37662 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/magicpoints/crash-magicpoints-20130628-222925.txt 17:34:41 some tile stuff, referring to a cell out of LOS 17:37:28 ok I clearly suck I died to jory 17:37:42 boo! 17:38:10 !lg * ckiller=Jory 17:38:10 9. darkli the Merry Centaur (L18 CeHu), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by Jory (crystal spear) on D:21 (minmay_misc_feat_room) on 2013-06-28 22:36:27, with 181394 points after 42639 turns and 1:50:11. 17:38:40 !tv * ckiller=Jory 17:38:40 9. darkli, XL18 CeHu, T:42639 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 17:39:46 Lightli: er, is that ttyrec's speed real? 17:40:16 yeah, I didn't expect him to kill me first 17:40:41 on the bright side, he killed me, so now I don't have to play CeHu anymore 17:40:55 !lg darkli x=dam 17:40:56 580. [dam=50] darkli the Merry Centaur (L18 CeHu), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by Jory (crystal spear) on D:21 (minmay_misc_feat_room) on 2013-06-28 22:36:27, with 181394 points after 42639 turns and 1:50:11. 17:41:08 !lg darkli x=dam.mhp 17:41:08 Unknown field: dam.mhp 17:41:10 !lg darkli x=dam,mhp 17:41:11 580. [dam=50;mhp=136] darkli the Merry Centaur (L18 CeHu), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by Jory (crystal spear) on D:21 (minmay_misc_feat_room) on 2013-06-28 22:36:27, with 181394 points after 42639 turns and 1:50:11. 17:41:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:36 so, what, like 3x crystal spear total? 17:41:43 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:53 crystal spear is bad news 17:42:02 I don't even think I got him down to half HP, so basically ranged combat clearly sucks against joy 17:42:04 *jory 17:42:14 against joy too 17:42:46 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:43:00 good point, that was the most boring character ever now that I think about it 17:43:05 even more than the MuSu 17:44:07 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:50 -!- psuedo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:53:06 Wanderers do not always check that starting items can be [w/W]ed together. by Nivim 17:54:18 Name for fire wizard: Tuzul. 17:54:24 Can Xom cause you to be suddenly surrounded in Oklobs, or is it only one at a time? 17:54:31 SamB: I encountered a volcano just my last game that had a small entry room followed by two paths; one with golems/molten-gargoyles, the other with fire vortecies, normal cloud generators, and erupting (a burn|fight choice?). 17:55:28 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:55 ??badsa] 17:56:56 badsa[1/24]: My understanding is that you can't make randarts ponderous, right? As it is, I'd rather have the +5 to stats than max resists in most cases 17:57:01 ??badsa [24] 17:57:01 badsa[24/24]: Okawaru: Robs you of the ability to use Sticks to Snakes, a big loss in my opinion though many don't mind. You'll ditch him eventually, heroism and finesse will lose value. Little value in Zot, I'd value Okawaru higher when you plan on ditching for more than three runes. 17:57:18 ##crawl 17:57:26 SA is bad at this game 17:57:29 ##crawl 17:57:41 ...duh 17:58:40 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 17:58:41 -!- rkd has quit [] 17:58:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:21 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:06:01 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:04 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:24 -!- Trig has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:20:12 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:56 24 isn't that unreasonable 18:23:11 ditching oka after getting a bunch of rad gifts is a legit strat 18:25:10 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:21 no, it's just the sweeping generalisations and inaccuracies surrounding that core idea that are bad 18:26:09 No STS? Ctrl-q then 18:27:01 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:31 -!- lainiw has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:53 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:06 -!- NuclearFrisson has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:32:43 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:51 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:33:30 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36:18 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 18:38:49 -!- platinum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:40:18 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 18:41:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:54 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 18:47:43 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:45 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:47:47 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 18:48:40 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:49:18 -!- Silvaris has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55:12 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 18:57:02 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57:25 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58:51 -!- tolly has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:59:22 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:29 -!- Silurio1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59:41 * Grunt appears! 18:59:54 -!- qoala_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:54 -!- qoala_ is now known as qoala 19:02:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:03:21 mumra: So currently, damage sharing directly calls ::hurt on the owner. I suspect that at least for monster spectral weapon this should be a deferred_damage_fineff. Can it/should it be the same for the player? 19:03:30 Then again, it should never technically kill the owner, so it might be okay as is. 19:04:00 -!- tolly has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:35 what's weird is if you e.g. throw a fireball and it hits both the monster and its spectral weapon 19:05:53 -!- YorkeSC has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:05:55 whether the monster lives or dies could depend on whether the SW or the monster is procced first 19:06:01 Well, we thought that "vulnerability to AoE" might be an interesting drawback. 19:06:04 oh 19:06:07 hmmmm... 19:06:49 maybe a new fineff (or flag on the existing fineff) that prevents fatal damage? 19:06:59 well this would support using a fineff to make sure the damage is applied after everything else anyway 19:07:11 oh right 19:07:14 so regardless of who's processed first, the sharing goes last and can never kill 19:07:14 hmm ... 19:07:26 yeah 19:07:38 you could easily add a not_fatal flag to deferred_damage 19:08:29 Another problem that might be added by my refactoring: some effects might be applied twice to the damage (incorrectly). QUAD_DAMAGE and wretched are applied by monster::hurt and ouch. 19:08:40 16x damage!!!! 19:09:35 By sharing the actual damage taken (which now allows damage reduction global sources, such as petrify, if any are even possible on sw) but passing the agent through, monster::hurt and ouch are both called and apply things. 19:10:23 eek 19:10:30 I should see how many '!' I can get in my current build with QUAD DAMAGE ;P 19:10:36 this all seems hellishly complicated 19:10:40 It's only an extra two !, qoala :b 19:10:57 If you want to see !!!!!!!!!!!!!!, give yourself a +99999 ring of slaying or something :) 19:10:59 oh right, we didn't go with linear, in the end. 19:11:36 Well, it's possible the old position for the damage sharing code was better. 19:12:31 Grunt: well it might be four ! if it's buggy 19:12:50 (You are now a BUGGY thing.) 19:12:58 buggy ugly thing (12u) | Spd: 11 (act: 110%) | HD: 8 | HP: 30-59 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 12 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32) | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 342 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 19:12:58 %??ugly thing col:disco 19:13:55 ??ugly thing col:blue 19:13:59 I don't have a page labeled ugly_thing_colblue in my learndb. 19:13:59 buggy ugly thing (02u) | Spd: 11 (act: 110%) | HD: 8 | HP: 30-59 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 12 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32) | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 342 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 19:13:59 %??ugly thing col:blue 19:14:02 ...huh. 19:14:40 So previously, it calculated sharing from the amount passed to the weapon's ::hurt. This was thus not the actual damage taken by the weapon, but I suppose most effects would only be applied the correct number of times. 19:14:54 (idea: blue ugly things have really high MR and antimagic melee) 19:15:16 I've moved the code to ::reacts_to_damage, which gets the actual amount of damage taken. But since I pass the shared damage to the target's ::hurt, some effects get doubled. 19:16:45 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18:57 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:19:13 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:22:15 -!- tolly has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 19:22:55 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:25:23 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:25:34 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:25:43 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:31:46 I managed to get !!!! as a TrBe once with +8 slaying and max UC on an orb guardian, does that 19:31:49 *does that count 19:32:12 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:32:41 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:46 I've seen people regularly get !!!!! or !!!!!! on some builds. 19:32:53 (The latter is mostly stabbers.) 19:32:55 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:09 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: one moment please] 19:33:12 holy triple sword got me !!!! reasonably often 19:34:02 Grunt: has anybody tried meatsprint since your patch? 19:34:24 oh god 19:34:30 the pluses 19:34:31 rchandra: the Axe of Woe prints its own messages, so that's irrelevant :b 19:34:40 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:01 that's good, I don't want each attack to take literally forever 19:35:29 1learn add literally 19:35:44 Let's see what effects result from my recent change: 19:35:49 (1) damage scaling against all sources that the SW may have picked up are applied (desirable? Then again, it's insubstantial so immune to petrify, so no such effects exist right now) 19:36:01 (2) damage scaling globally applied to the agent is squared (undesirable, but feels wrong that this is in ::hurt. Not really a better place for it) However, it would be better to apply these before sharing, so that we share the actual damage taken between reductions/increases and weapon's health. 19:36:16 (3) monster sw sharing is reduced by INJURY_BOND for both parties, rather than the bond seeing full damage both times. (neither version is desirable. Might be best for INJURY BOND to apply once, but how? Perhaps if things like SW were immune to the buff?) 19:36:53 today was unusually mild update wise 19:36:53 After looking at the consequences, I'm unhappy with the results from either the prior version and my current version. This is uglier, than I imagined. 19:38:07 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:40:07 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:40:46 I'm not sure, but I think the ideal behaviour would be if spectral weapon (and possibly some other things) were immune to injury bond, and there was some flag to hurt/ouch that disabled agent effects (because they'd already been applied). Though the latter is probably as ugly as cleanup_dead. 19:42:04 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42:36 any comments? 19:45:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:49:21 Players in lich/tree/fungus form cannot acquire food by minmay 19:51:49 -!- Ahrin has quit [] 19:52:39 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:31 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:32 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 20:02:19 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:03:04 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:07:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:45 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:11:37 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:39 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:17:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:30 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:03 hai 20:23:08 !seen tenofswords 20:23:09 I last saw tenofswords at Thu Jun 27 12:38:53 2013 UTC (1d 12h 44m 16s ago) quitting with message 'Read error: Connection reset by peer'. 20:29:39 ho 20:29:57 I think I'll take his suggestion and change polymoths to just poly tougher 20:39:55 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:41:46 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:42:17 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:44:18 -!- Gastrox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:47:24 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 20:48:13 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:48 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:56:22 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:56:26 -!- magic_points is now known as magicpoints 20:56:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58:17 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:55 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:03 Question 21:02:28 Answer 21:02:40 Unhelpful Answer 21:03:03 Expression of doubt about actual answer 21:03:06 How come summoning still has the 50% xp penalty? 21:03:26 Disagreeal with all of Zannick's answers 21:03:45 Now that it's finally been nerfed down to size, do we still need it? 21:03:48 Because your allies get the other 50% of the xp, and there can only be 100% 21:04:01 Well, actually, I'm not sure; maybe they get 100% and you get 50% 21:04:03 if you fight stuff you'll get more XP 21:04:09 oh 21:04:17 And whoever summoned you gets 25%... 21:05:22 this is why you want permallies 21:05:45 then their share of the XP actually does some good 21:06:14 well i'd like to hear opinions of more of the devs really, but it's kind of good that you have to be upfront fighting alongside your allies, if you want a bigger share of the XP 21:06:21 because otherwise you never have to put yourself in danger 21:06:24 even after the summons cap 21:06:59 (having playing a summoner to well into the lair since the nerf) 21:07:26 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07:50 huh 21:07:57 No one ever won DjSu of Sif pre summon nerf 21:07:59 but ... i was considering maybe the share could be changed - e.g. so you only lose up to 25% instead of 50% 21:08:11 I would accept that 21:08:21 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:25 so there's not such a strong feeling that you *have* to be in there in every fight 21:09:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:09:35 has DjSu been won since? 21:09:43 !hs * DjSu 21:09:44 174. demonblade the Djinn Blade (L27 DjSu), worshipper of Elyvilon, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-31 02:32:25, with 1230423 points after 158624 turns and 5:56:41. 21:09:54 !hs * won DjSu 21:09:54 1. demonblade the Djinn Blade (L27 DjSu), worshipper of Elyvilon, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-31 02:32:25, with 1230423 points after 158624 turns and 5:56:41. 21:10:11 well that was pre-nerf 21:10:18 but not sif I guess 21:10:27 ohh 21:10:35 i didn't even notice the Of Sit bit 21:10:56 It was Ely, so even more broken then 21:11:15 i don't see why Of Sit is particularly relevant to anything 21:11:20 s/Sit/Sif/ 21:11:28 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:12:31 Because channel + Sif = summon spam 21:12:33 or it used to 21:12:51 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:14:09 FR: tab doesn't work inside exclusions 21:14:35 I think it would have saved me from that one set of oklobs ... 21:15:13 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:21:03 -!- tureba has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:21:31 -!- tureba_ has quit [Client Quit] 21:22:13 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: zzz] 21:23:18 -!- Silurio1 is now known as Silurio 21:31:07 -!- sabayonuser_ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:32:16 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:27 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:21 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:35 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:49 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:44:11 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-2143-g6b712aa 21:45:32 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-2144-gf0858a5: Let the temporarily foodless still acquire food (Mantis #7283) 10(18 minutes ago, 3 files, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0858a56f21e 21:46:09 -!- RichmanCC has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:50:34 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:51:37 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:56:43 -!- snwl has quit [Quit: Killed by a master lichen.] 22:00:59 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:02:46 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 22:07:13 -!- axlexk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:17:24 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:48 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:25 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:47 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:38 -!- knaveightt has quit [Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!] 22:39:21 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:24 ??sid 22:40:25 stat gain[2/2]: | Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg sid/2 | Dj sid/4 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | LO s/5 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu none | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | SE id/4 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp none 22:40:27 oops 22:40:30 sorry 22:42:27 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:44:54 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:46:52 -!- lainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:50:58 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: later all] 22:59:55 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:02:59 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 23:03:04 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:19:59 -!- Sky2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:26:56 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:50 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31:22 cjo the Sorcerer (L27 GrEE) ERROR: range check error (-31 / 17) (Tomb:2) 23:31:49 o_O? 23:31:52 !lm cjo crash -log 23:31:53 1. cjo, XL27 GrEE, T:130519 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/cjo/crash-cjo-20130629-043121.txt 23:32:05 -!- MonopolyMan| has quit [] 23:33:28 -!- Aponym has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:36:53 <|amethyst> tag_read -> tag_read_level_tiles -> _draw_tiles -> tile_draw_map_cell -> _tile_place_cloud 23:38:00 <|amethyst> And in particular 23:38:07 <|amethyst> 940 env.tile_cloud(ep) = tileidx_cloud(cl, disturbance); 23:38:25 <|amethyst> unfortunately, the values of cl, gc, and ep there are optimised out 23:39:45 <|amethyst> according to the iterator in _draw_tiles it appears to be drawing (0,0) 23:41:00 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:44:16 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13-a0-2144-gf0858a5 (34) 23:45:22 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:45:48 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:03 !seen tenofswords 23:46:04 I last saw tenofswords at Thu Jun 27 12:38:53 2013 UTC (1d 16h 7m 11s ago) quitting with message 'Read error: Connection reset by peer'. 23:46:21 -!- psuedo has quit [Client Quit] 23:46:43 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:48:12 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:56 -!- Aponym has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:47 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 23:57:26 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:29 -!- LOer has quit [Quit: Page closed]