00:01:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1638-g9943704 (34) 00:03:55 -!- Nareusm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:05:19 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.13-a0-1638-g9943704 (34) 00:05:55 <3 Ruffell 00:08:12 -!- Rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 00:09:25 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:09:38 didnt that server die or something 00:10:03 that doesn't mean the domain name can't be used again 00:10:41 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1638-g9943704 (34) 00:16:48 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:20:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:06 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:33 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:47 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:32:53 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:44 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-1638-g9943704 00:36:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36:13 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 00:36:15 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:40:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:26 hey all. are invisible monsters supposed to leave you unable to move when you get poly-ed into a wandering mushroom? 00:46:01 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:34 good question 00:47:41 -!- MarvinPA__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:59 it does seem kind of bad interface-wise 00:48:45 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:51 wandering mushroom (07f) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 5/0 | Dam: 2013(confuse) | 03plant | Res: 06magic(32), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 313 | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 00:48:51 %??wandering mushroom 00:49:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:49:18 -!- MarvinPA__ is now known as MarvinPA 00:49:29 Well, it's sort of strange for an invisible monster to do so if you can't see it, since the player can't necessarily know it's there 00:49:32 I wonder what happens with invisible players and regular wandering mushrooms 00:49:59 So in a way it leaks information if you suddenly stop moving when some unseen horror wanders into LoS 00:50:27 yeah 00:50:56 Hostile wandering mushrooms still won't move if you're in LoS and invisible 00:51:00 So it seems 00:51:06 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:51:18 which is odd because they don't SInv 00:51:24 They don't, know 00:51:38 however I must go to bed ... 00:51:41 They can't SEE you (like, status-wise, they are unaware), but it must be a quirk of how their AI is coded 00:51:55 Goodnight, then! 00:51:59 yes, I'm leaning towards bug on both counts ;-) 00:52:51 goodnight 00:52:57 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:54:43 hmm 00:54:55 at first i thought it was my own zombies preventing me from moving 00:55:06 which i suppose is also possible, but doesn't seem right either, to me 00:55:56 Well, player allied mushrooms from Fedhas are quite capable of moving while friendlies are around 00:56:07 So certainly mushroom form shouldn't be inhibited by that either 00:56:45 i wouldn't have thought so 00:57:03 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:57:24 i think the invisible monster was the cause of it, but i wasn't sure if that would be viewed as a bug or not 00:58:34 if it matter i did have level 2 antennae as a Ds, but that doesn't give SInv at that level. 01:02:21 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:39 Yes, I don't think that's related. I imagine the check is just not coded to handle whether you can SEE the monster - just whether it's there 01:02:49 ahh. ok. 01:02:53 -!- eb has quit [] 01:03:12 should i make a mantis report if there isn't already one? 01:03:58 -!- LNCP_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:04:52 Sure, that would make sense 01:05:02 ok. Thanks. 01:05:07 (Since I'm not likely to get to it tonight myself, so it's nice to have a record to look at :P) 01:06:59 =) how do i check my version online? 01:08:16 ?V 01:08:29 thanks 01:09:08 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:35 Invisible monsters prevent player polymorphed into wandering mushroom from moving by prozacelf 01:12:27 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:17:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:53 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:20:54 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 01:28:41 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:28:53 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:34:07 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 24.0a1/20130616031139]] 01:36:49 should anti-magic weapons reduce Dj EP? 01:38:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:41:43 by the mp part * 2/3, maybe? 01:44:01 I think they already do, no? 01:46:00 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:51:14 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:53:39 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:25 !seen mu_ 02:02:26 I last saw Mu_ at Sun Jun 16 23:39:23 2013 UTC (7h 23m 2s ago) quitting with message 'Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.'. 02:05:17 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:05 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:13:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:24:08 !You finish putting on the +1 robe of Ladders and Snakes {Str-5 Dex-1 Int+3}. 02:24:09 You feel weaker. You have lost your strength. You can move again. You start putting on your armour. You continue putting on your +2 cloak of poison resistance._You flicker back into view. You finish putting on your +2 cloak of poison resistance._You feel healthy. 02:24:29 somehow I think collapse status should interrupt putting on the rest of the armour 02:24:38 "Must... keep... dressing..." 02:25:11 "Can't....be...caught....without....my.....cloak" 02:25:15 (Though yes, you're right) 02:26:56 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28:10 should I include a save and waste space, or not and waste time? :) 02:31:07 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:06 I don't think either matter here 02:33:13 It's clear what the circumstances of the bug are 02:36:28 0 stat does not interrupt dressing. by rchandra 02:36:59 No strength, but the fashion sense is still at level 27 02:39:24 *rimshot* 02:44:50 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:49:27 Thanks to HangedMan for the ice cave tweaks! 02:50:16 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:54:49 Indeed 02:55:12 %git :/ice cave 02:55:13 07HangedMan * 0.12-a0-2614-g8b641f5: Portal (mostly) entry vault edits 10(3 months ago, 11 files, 240+ 545-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b641f53aecf 02:55:51 %git d581f763a9ffc3bce8af9513228b1330ca4225d6 02:55:51 07HangedMan * 0.13-a0-1637-gd581f76: icecave.des tweaks, clean-up, simulacrum variety 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 163+ 147-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d581f763a9ff 02:55:53 That one 02:56:48 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:57:16 looks good 02:58:05 Yeah, a nice few touches of variety to the usual endbosses, among other thins 03:01:44 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:01:44 -!- cbus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:47 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:01:47 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 03:05:20 -!- ELRanger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:09:35 -!- mason- has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:10:33 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20:40 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:15 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:33:31 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:05 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:31 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:15 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:36:15 -!- gammafunk_ is now known as gammafunk 03:38:24 -!- Writ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:38:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:39:45 -!- Raycaster1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:44:28 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:44:36 -!- ac13_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:50:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:51 -!- Afghan has quit [] 04:02:07 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06:47 -!- I_Think has quit [] 04:14:56 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:20:27 -!- phyphor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:23:52 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: Going to try Minotaur Berserker. Will be back if I have any doubts.] 04:24:04 -!- Datgum has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:27:12 -!- phyphor has joined ##crawl-dev 04:29:58 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:13 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:30:15 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:38:39 -!- phyphor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:39:31 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:39:52 http://truepcgaming.com/2013/06/14/roguelikes-breakdown/ 04:40:25 nothing new in there, just a description of the roguelike genre 04:40:32 some nice things though, like: 04:40:33 The need to consume food has scared away a lot of players. It sounds like unnecessary micromanagement and more hassle than fun. Even though I am a long time Roguelike player I would say that this is my least favorite feature of the genre. 04:40:47 :) 04:42:47 sounds about right 04:43:10 Although then you do need to figure out what can be used to accomplish the task that food is supposed to be taking care of 04:43:43 to some extent it does take care of the problem it purports to 04:44:34 well yes 04:44:47 that's why a replacement would need to be found :P 04:45:10 =P 04:45:13 I mean the alternative is to declare it not a problem and then see if all the stuff balanced around it still holds up.... 04:45:27 yeah 04:45:35 seems like it's not worth the effort though 04:46:09 SwissStopwatch: it doesnt, see Dj 04:46:14 !tell grunt that maze stuff is so cool man, thanks so much for looking into it, you are a gentleman of uncommon breeding. 04:46:15 Mu_: OK, I'll let grunt know. 04:46:51 There's so much stuff that looks out of whack on Dj that it's hard to even focus on that as a point 04:47:08 but yes you're right 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flees 14:09:28 I mean if you fsim the old Arga it's pretty good overall 14:09:51 except against things with really good defenses 14:09:54 I like ignacio a lot, too bad he's rare and tends to not be much of a threat when you find him 14:10:08 like it's really bad against orbs of fire it turns out 14:10:16 He's the closest we have to 'Jason' 14:10:46 ??? 14:10:52 but most weapons with lowish base damage are pretty bad against orbs of fire 14:11:13 I like that it's a broad axe now; then 1-h axe users will go for it 14:11:21 war axe is one-handed... 14:11:31 yeah but isn't broad better? 14:11:49 well, yes 14:11:54 1-h axe users also aren't a thing that exist 14:12:05 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:12:06 with the cleave base damage nerd, more base damage is important 14:12:08 i hear arga was about as good as a +6 broad axe of freezing before 14:12:12 *nerf 14:12:13 which imo is really good 14:12:17 gammafunk: war axes did not get nerfed afaik 14:12:38 elliott: Oh, I thought it was all axes but that makes sense I guess 14:12:57 MarvinPA: They do exist! But I agree they're not common 14:13:26 they kind of need something as good as arga to even possibly exist because otherwise you should just get a 2hander 14:13:37 yes they don't exist before finding arga is what i meant 14:14:23 ok so it turns out old Arga is about as good as a +6 battleaxe of chopping against orbs of fire 14:14:27 underpowered weapon 14:15:20 Is the delay of 1-h axe significantly worse than say a 1-h pole arm? 14:15:42 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:15:47 1-h axe delay is pretty bad, takes a lot of skill to get broad axe and war axe delay down 14:16:27 (also when I say "underpowered weapon", do note that a +6 battleaxe of chopping is definitely a pretty good weapon and also needs 2 hands) 14:16:36 if by 1-h polearm you mean demon trident then yes 14:16:43 and if you mean trident then also yes 14:16:59 1-h polearms also sort of don't exist 14:17:00 but that seems like a terrible comparison in both cases for various reasons 14:17:01 Yeah, a battle-ax can do the job, but haste is more important then 14:17:15 why is haste more important again 14:17:38 more important to have active if you want to use battle-axe vs. oof 14:17:44 as opposed to exec axe 14:17:56 ??? 14:18:01 why is it not important with an exec axe 14:18:04 what are you even saying 14:18:25 do you really want to melee orbs of fire unhasted if you can reasonably avoid it 14:18:26 it's just that you're taking a base damage hit that's pretty big 14:19:00 um, yes, yes you are, but it's not like you don't want to haste with an exec axe if you can 14:19:03 you said it's a pretty good weapon; I agree, but then I really don't want to be unhasted 14:19:13 what on earth 14:19:22 do exec axes have Stasis now or something 14:19:26 oh stop 14:19:28 I missed that commit 14:19:29 i think we can all agree that we all want to be hasted all the time 14:19:31 a battle axe can do the job but not ^Qyessing is more important then 14:19:42 because you're taking a base damage hit 14:19:49 i am pretty sure literally nobody has any idea what you are talking about here 14:20:26 I agree with swiss that battleaxe can do the job; that's it. No need to start a bloodbath; sheesh 14:20:39 yes we're all just confused as to how haste got involved I guess 14:21:00 like is it "If you have an exec axe you probably have Trog and are less likely to be able to haste much"? 14:21:22 I guess you can read into bring up haste as much as you like, Swiss :) 14:22:05 um ok then 14:22:15 I'll just keep being confused as to this point :P 14:23:25 can you like... try making sense 14:23:40 imo that's a good thing to do when contributing to development 14:26:03 -!- minqmay is now known as duvessa 14:26:27 -!- duvessa is now known as minqmay 14:28:23 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:17 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:39:44 awesome 14:39:47 #ifdef DEBUG 14:39:47 "Instead, go fix it. "; 14:39:47 #else 14:39:47 "Please file a bug report."; 14:39:48 #endif 14:40:04 Heh. 14:41:08 <|amethyst> thoughts on #7221? Should djinn be allowed to cast leda's, and should they get the hover penalty if they do? 14:41:47 IIRC, Leda's operates on the theory that you're in contact with the ground. 14:41:51 probably not, since yeah that 14:41:51 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:41:53 Djinni aren't in contact with the ground. 14:42:04 Ergo, the spell's meaningless for them. 14:42:18 <|amethyst> hm 14:42:20 s/Djinni/Djinn/ 14:42:32 <|amethyst> should they be allowed to memorise it so they can cast it while in a form? 14:42:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:37 (fr: pick a name with a less confusing pluralisation) 14:42:48 <|amethyst> (that is currently the case) 14:43:03 Couldn't we just settle down on Djinn for laziness? 14:43:18 It sounds nice in both singular and plural so all would be good. 14:44:17 probably also no then 14:45:08 since forms aren't meant to let you do things that you're specifically restricted from doing by race 14:45:20 like felids with weapons or whatever 14:45:48 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:50 <|amethyst> hm 14:46:02 <|amethyst> this is a little different because it's not a race-specific restriction 14:46:03 (also because it's just sort of silly) 14:46:21 <|amethyst> but yeah 14:46:48 * Grunt notes that djinn in tree form still aren't considered to be touching the ground. 14:46:54 (or any other ground-based form, for that matter) 14:47:00 <|amethyst> hm 14:47:05 This seems kind of buggy. <_< 14:47:40 <|amethyst> hm 14:47:52 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47:52 <|amethyst> and mon_info doesn't know about it 14:47:56 <|amethyst> err, monster_info 14:48:22 -!- Gilihad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:49:28 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:49:58 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:52:09 <|amethyst> I'm not even going to ask about statueform djinn 14:52:17 Well, this is a bug in more than just the djinn case, in any case. 14:52:31 <|amethyst> Grunt: what is? 14:52:37 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-1642-gc8c6743: Mark Leda's as useless when it can't be cast (#7221). 10(83 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8c6743db2ab 14:52:41 Leda's is never marked as useless, even when it's not useful :b 14:52:46 (it is now, but that's beside the point) 14:52:59 <|amethyst> ah 14:53:27 <|amethyst> hm 14:53:31 <|amethyst> actually, maybe I will ask 14:53:42 <|amethyst> statue djinn and lichform djinn 14:53:49 <|amethyst> do they touch the ground 14:53:53 <|amethyst> I haven't seen the tiles 14:54:10 <|amethyst> (not that the tiles should be the determining factor) 15:01:20 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:35 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:02:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:07 With those two it would make sense for them to still be flying. 15:03:33 Statue form because if they didn't fly then how would they even move. 15:03:45 flying statues? 15:03:46 And lichform because they're simply "life"less there. 15:03:58 It's more likely than you think! 15:05:24 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:39 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:59 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:01 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:24:54 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:11 while testing out some crypt tweaks I noticed something 15:25:32 because of a dumb thing about mixing mons and kmons on numbers, due_elkab, well 15:25:51 this crypt:5 has 20 vampire mages in one vault 15:26:08 20 generate_awake vampire mages in one vault 15:27:40 going to take the lack of response as status WONTFIX then 15:27:55 change them to knights 15:28:14 maybe if this was the cryptic rune patch 15:29:11 lol i was looking for the C's 15:29:18 all those closets 15:29:53 tenofswords: if we could make assumptions every time nobody replied to something within 2 minutes then 15:29:55 ...uh... 15:30:02 ...there would be a lot of assumptions being made 15:30:19 i suggest we add squarelos 15:30:21 objections must be within 2 minutes 15:30:23 so just switching the rest of the MONS to KMONS would fix it tenofswords? 15:30:28 yes 15:30:31 i'll do that then 15:30:35 thank you 15:30:47 Wait, Mu_ commits things? Since when does that happen? 15:30:49 >_____> 15:30:54 :( 15:30:55 (not serious at all here) 15:31:13 clearly he only fixes really bad things in vaults nowadays 15:31:18 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:27 isn't that every thing in every vault ever 15:31:45 well I was going for more of a jab at how the last two commits of his were on his vaults 15:32:06 i feel bad editing anything that isn't mine 15:32:12 pff 15:32:25 I edit everybody else's everything all the time with no regrets 15:32:27 Thankfully we seem to have other people who don't feel the same way! :P 15:33:10 so 15:33:17 time's up 15:33:19 MarvinPA gets to merge squarelos 15:34:17 Maybe if you make a large donation to the Crawl Foundation, you get commit access for 24 hours; change whatever you like 15:34:21 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:29 ... and that is why there is no Crawl Foundation 15:35:34 Agreed :P 15:35:48 But hey, you can make a donation of $0 to yourself and fork Crawl whenever you want! 15:36:04 (This may or may not be adviced) 15:36:12 Hence the origin of the phrase "fork that". 15:36:12 <_< 15:37:10 i would pay 50 gbp for squarelos 15:37:18 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 15:38:13 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:39:13 i will accept 50 gbp to become a squarelos supporter 15:39:31 i couldn't guarantee i would ever merge it 15:39:34 but you would have my support 15:39:38 Haha 15:39:38 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:56 so how much do we have to pay kilobyte 15:40:22 03Mu 07* 0.13-a0-1643-g842b776: Correct a minor error in due_elkab 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=842b776177c7 15:40:37 oh man 15:40:44 oh i forgot to credit you, i'm such a monster 15:40:45 is kilobyte a mercenary? 15:41:05 it is okay it would take too long to say what name to put 15:41:13 Haha 15:43:10 wow FLOOR_GREY_DIRT abyss looks... strange 15:44:14 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:56 you know my crypt ending was the first vault i ever made and i just looked at it now and it has like every glyph in the vault explicity KFEAT: a = . 15:47:05 Is there a good example of a vault that's moderately complicated someone would recommend I use as a reference for creating my own? 15:47:06 i wonder if there's even a reason 15:47:17 Define "moderately complicated". 15:47:21 I have the des documentation of course, but I'll probably do things in a non-optimal way 15:47:23 i bet wizlab.des is pretty good 15:47:28 IMO focus on basic design before you get too fancy. 15:47:33 mu_ have you seen wizlab_golubria 15:47:35 since they're all little self-contained maps but they all do something special 15:47:42 Look at some of the vaults in float.des, large_themed.des, large_abstract.des for good basic designs. 15:47:56 (I will deliberately leave "some" ambiguous >_>) 15:48:07 yeah, that's subjective. It's a floating vault, so I'll check those out, thanks 15:48:32 it is quite crucial to actually look at the basics of monster movement/wandering/line of fire and player manipulation/noise/fighting spots 15:48:44 rather than just throw together gimmicks 15:48:50 cough, cough 15:49:29 my favourite part of wizlab_golubria is that you said you just type out your maps by hand 15:49:30 tenofswords: Yes, I'm thinking theme first and how the vault transitions, but I'll try to keep that in mind 15:49:49 instead of using something that will let you paint text 15:50:32 Mu_: Do you use something fancy to paint text beyond a good text editor? 15:50:40 to be fair I've got a thing that rotates/mirrors text well enough for me to just copy-paste weird tweaks 15:50:56 (which I haven't used in ages hrm) 15:51:32 i use some random program called ascii painter to paint them broadly and then i do the details just in notepad++ 15:51:45 gammafunk: do we have that in Emacs? 15:51:50 the rotate/flip thing I mean 15:52:05 SamB: I would assume so, but was wondering myself 15:52:30 * SamB hasn't played much with the painting mode 15:52:39 the problem is that almost all of my vaults are in the details 15:52:41 There's column mode, but that's not really that helpful 15:53:07 what are your other vaults 15:53:27 hmm, artist-mode I think? 15:53:30 just grep NAME:.*hangedman 15:53:53 like i know how to do that 15:54:12 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=NAME%3A.*hangedman&sr=1 15:54:24 Mu_: we let you join the devteam without knowing how to work grep 15:54:37 actually just look at the encompass.des vaults that is more than enough proof of my insanity 15:54:41 :( 15:55:01 The only gimmick I want: some fauns fleeing in fear near the entrance, since it's a vault where yred is gaining a foothold in forest 15:55:14 clearly we need more education funding 15:55:15 But that shouldn't be too hard to do, and I'll do that last 15:55:21 but 15:55:28 oh whatever 15:56:52 grep: Should be taught in grade school. 15:57:05 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:57:24 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:33 |amethyst: tengu who are less full of hot air keep flight as liches, so I see no reason djinn should not 15:59:20 |amethyst: current code assumes the djinn always fly, not sure if that should be changed but it's probably simpler as is 16:00:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm 16:00:21 <|amethyst> tengu fly in tree form too.... 16:00:36 gammafunk: as for that "Yred foothold" in the Forest, this was in my design as a guaranteed whole level 16:00:44 oh... 16:00:48 pick up red potions dropped by vampire, wield them, sublimate from own body 16:00:57 hmmmm 16:01:10 |amethyst: good point, tree form is strictly -FLY 16:01:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:01:48 kilobyte: So you're saying there's an encompass vault with that theme already? Sorry if that's the wrong terminology. 16:01:52 at least with the form's inability to move it's an issue only for airstrike, I think 16:02:04 What, we don't want flying trees??? 16:02:09 -!- LoomRength has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:11 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and electrocution brand 16:02:17 gammafunk: no, it's only my design for the branch which was not implemented 16:02:35 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:02:56 * kilobyte sends a hog perm_ench:fly towards Grunt. 16:03:33 kilobyte: Well, would a floating vault with that theme be an acceptable addition to forest.des? 16:03:33 pff 16:03:38 you can just use a holy swine 16:03:42 -!- humeral-A has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:42 -!- humeral has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:00 or more realistic, quaffing a potion while Kirkeaed, or tornadoing a herd of hell hogs 16:04:20 gammafunk: I can't think of a reason why not. 16:04:43 !fight 99 hell hog v diamond obelisk delay:100 16:04:50 I'd prefer a "foothold" vault of such cross-branch stuff to try and be brief, since diverging from standard branch fare is usually distinctly related to already-in-branch stuff 16:04:52 gammafunk: or perhaps even an encompass one, although a big floating could be less boring 16:04:59 ...that was disappointing :( 16:05:01 !fight cancel 16:05:05 cough 16:06:01 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:20 tenofswords: my design was to have every level obey special rules: "Enchanted Forest" that mutates out of sight (like the Abyss except for moving rather than spawning monsters), Dark Forest with reduced vision, Dead Forest with Yredy stuff, etc 16:06:46 That's pretty neat 16:06:57 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I have a patch ready that makes djinn not hover in changed_physiology() forms; but the inconsistency with Tengu is a bit weird 16:07:04 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:10 that design sounds much too busy 16:07:13 |amethyst: I'd rather keep flying all the time 16:07:41 |amethyst: and fix merfolk/octopodes somehow becoming unable to swim, even though their shape hasn't changed 16:07:48 <|amethyst> huh? 16:07:58 <|amethyst> oh, lich form? 16:08:03 |amethyst: since recently, lich merfolk drown 16:08:13 <|amethyst> what about statue? 16:08:50 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:09:28 somehow debatable about how merfolk swim; at least for octopodes it seems clear to me: stone is unbreathing, gills mean there's no risk on untransforming 16:09:31 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:10:21 -!- cptwinky has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:11 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:18 oh, 0.12 octopodes can swim, same as in earlier versions 16:12:14 in lich but not statue form 16:12:29 doh, wrong, they can 16:12:40 it's merfolk who can't swim both as lich and statue 16:13:17 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13:46 lich statue form 16:13:58 what happens if a statue merfolk gets in the water 16:14:42 hmm, anyway if Op statues can swim why not merfolk 16:15:07 maybe they turn into a statue of a merfolk with a fin and not legs 16:15:38 oh, so Op just walk then? 16:15:48 <|amethyst> why not any statue? 16:16:12 naga can't walk anyway 16:19:13 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1644-gf51affd: Track deaths by spines 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f51affd27a40 16:19:58 Zannick: if we were strict, then indeed, a lich-form merfolk shouldn't be able to walk as transforms don't stack 16:20:33 which is the transform part for merfolk, though? 16:20:40 ;P 16:20:54 Zannick: "you return to your natural form in wateR" 16:21:08 ah 16:21:28 why is only one of those forms supposed to be natural 16:21:40 humans are unnatural 16:22:08 SamB: I'm pretty sure the little mermaid explains it all 16:22:27 And in song 16:22:37 yeah if statues are unbreathing why not just let them all walk along the bed, i can't imagine any statue actually swims 16:22:43 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:22:50 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:51 You cannot speak in your human form. 16:22:58 pirates 4 seems to have a different take 16:25:25 http://www.yafgc.net/?id=208 16:27:23 -!- cbus has quit [] 16:31:52 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:32:56 -!- cbus has quit [Client Quit] 16:37:24 all the way until http://yafgc.net/?id=244 16:40:53 -!- Tollymain has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41:37 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:51 -!- I_Think is now known as Undo 16:44:49 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 16:45:05 -!- Palyth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:52 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:05 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:17 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:32 dancing weapon (07() | Spd: 19 | HD: 15 | HP: 5 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 1 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 697 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 16:55:32 %??dancing weapon ; sling 16:55:46 Dam: 1 16:55:55 pretty good dam 16:56:03 Huge Dam. 16:56:49 fr: dancing ammunition 16:57:18 Clearly Tukima'sing a ranged weapon also takes the ammo you have quivered for it and they dance together. <_< 16:57:41 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:58:07 dancing weapon (06() | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 56 | AC/EV: 28/15 | Dam: 36 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1120 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 16:58:07 %??dancing weapon ; executioner's axe 16:59:10 Bad item name: 'battleaxe uniq=wrath_of_trog' 16:59:10 %?? dancing weapon ; battleaxe uniq=wrath_of_trog 16:59:21 dancing weapon (06() | Spd: 13 | HD: 15 | HP: 50 | AC/EV: 25/17 | Dam: 30 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1236 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 16:59:21 %?? dancing weapon ; battleaxe unrand:wrath_of_trog 16:59:23 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:33 ASSERT(wpn) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 4850 failed. 16:59:33 %??dancing weapon ; cap unrand:axe_of_woe 16:59:49 ASSERT(wpn) in 'dungeon.cc' at line 4850 failed. 16:59:49 %??dancing weapon ; bread ration unrand:singing_sword 17:00:03 er, unrand, yeah. 17:00:14 * Grunt envisions the dancing Singing Sword <_< 17:00:22 !fight cerebov v 50 dancing weapon ; great sword unrand:sword_of_cerebov delay:200 17:00:33 errrrr 17:00:42 dancing weapon (15() | Spd: 10-17 | HD: 15 | HP: 10-56 | AC/EV: 5/18 | Dam: 10 | 11non-living, fighter, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 770 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 17:00:42 %??dancing weapon ; club unrand:axe_of_woe 17:00:44 You burnt it to a crisp. 17:00:45 the wrath of trog should go berserk when it attacks 17:00:46 ... 17:01:03 this is, what, the fourth time I've done so 17:01:07 forgive me greensnark 17:01:18 !fight test spawner v dancing weapon ; executioner's axe unrand:axe_of_woe 17:01:23 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:23 (todo) 17:01:37 does that not work? 17:01:41 !fight cancel 17:01:50 welp 17:02:15 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:02:43 am I supposed to see blackness 17:03:11 !fight orc vs orc 17:03:53 does fight club not handle crashing 17:04:00 it usually does crashing fine 17:05:03 kilobyte, Napkin: I don't suppose you can do anything 17:05:14 !seen greensnark 17:05:16 I last saw greensnark at Mon Jun 17 19:00:03 2013 UTC (3h 5m 12s ago) joining the channel. 17:05:47 Vandal: help 17:06:46 -!- Burer has quit [Client Quit] 17:09:47 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:09 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:51 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:53 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12:04 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:06 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:20 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:26 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:26 !unwon 17:18:32 47 combos won zero times: DjAE DjAK DjAr DjAs DjCj(ttf) DjDK(MrPlanck) DjEn DjFi DjHu DjNe DjSk DjTm DjVM DjWr DjWz GrAE GrAK GrAM(elliptic) GrAr GrFE GrFi GrHe GrHu GrIE GrNe GrSk GrSu(GARGOYLE) GrTm(Foxfire,Medar) GrVM GrWn(MorganLeah) GrWr(Wark) LOAE LOAM LOAr LOAs LOCj LOEE(Moanerette,wtface3) LOEn LOHu LOIE LONe LOSk LOSu LOTm(demonblade,simm,ZoFy) LOVM LOWr LOWz 17:18:46 sorry, wrong place 17:19:12 does anyone have an opinion on chimera vs chimaera? 17:19:23 IMO chim�ra. 17:19:30 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-1645-g095ef86: Remove stat death, have stat loss below 0 cause damage instead 10(6 minutes ago, 6 files, 24+ 65-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=095ef86229c4 17:19:42 whooo 17:20:24 can � be safely used? 17:20:31 I doubt it :( 17:20:37 personally I prefer chimera 17:20:48 I prefer chimera as well 17:21:05 chimera seems fine to me 17:22:07 yes, i think i'll stick with chimera 17:22:38 the slightly tougher question: should i make this an infinite item with a recharge? or stick with it as limited charges? 17:22:48