00:00:20 !tell |amethyst it looks like i was wrong about random teleports and being trampled into other staircases; those (and some others) are handling by interrupting the delay, rather than waiting to be rechecked 00:00:21 Zannick: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 00:00:51 * Zannick is slowly gaining understanding over this small piece of code 00:01:39 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:03:18 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12.1-37-g3498412 00:05:07 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:44 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-845-gbf403f7 (34) 00:06:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:02 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12.1-37-g3498412 (34) 00:09:54 !hs 00:09:55 960. SamB the Severer (L12 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, hit from afar by a cyclops (large rock) on D:13 (minmay_connected_boxes_in_corner) on 2013-05-17 04:59:28, with 24423 points after 14728 turns and 1:20:00. 00:10:17 !lg max=xl 00:10:18 960. SamB the Protected (L13 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, mangled by a blink frog on Lair:4 on 2011-09-12 01:14:20, with 23869 points after 25987 turns and 4:40:35. 00:10:30 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000] 00:10:48 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:34 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:12:07 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-845-gbf403f7 (34) 00:13:54 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:30 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:17:48 !hs 00:17:49 1336. bh the Hellbinder (L27 MfSu), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2012-08-20 05:55:18, with 2050607 points after 152968 turns and 18:31:13. 00:18:33 Hellbinder. TSO. That doesn't fit 00:20:18 !hs tali713 00:20:19 279. tali713 the Executioner (L17 MiFi), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Swamp:2 on 2013-05-11 23:37:12, with 169073 points after 37960 turns and 3:38:45. 00:20:24 !hs tali713 t 00:20:25 27. tali713 the Executioner (L17 MiFi), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Swamp:2 on 2013-05-11 23:37:12, with 169073 points after 37960 turns and 3:38:45. 00:20:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:59 https://gist.github.com/bhickey/5625407 -- am I doing it wrong, or did someone do something silly with our git repo? 00:20:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:54 do I need to do something for submodules? 00:22:03 apparently so. 00:22:25 bh: it's in the docs 00:22:50 I think it's in docs/develop/git/ or something 00:23:09 `git submodule update` 00:23:29 oh, you mean something CHANGED that made you have to do something to the submodules? 00:23:44 I always end up looking that up in the git-submodule manpage :-( 00:24:34 except for some reason today it seemed to get taken care of automatically with no work on my part 00:24:43 even though I've not upgraded git at all 00:25:27 huh. Minotaurs and Trolls get a Middleweight UC title. That seems weird 00:29:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:30:10 Isn't that dependent on your actual strength vs. dex? 00:31:03 yes, but it uses race to determine the top tier str title 00:31:20 the log for my UC troll win definitely says heavyweight 00:31:30 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 00:31:35 SwissStopwatch: Yep. I was wrong. Minotaur is, however, Middleweight 00:31:41 Well, that makes sense 00:31:41 But Minotaurs don't get a size penalty to EV or anything 00:31:57 -!- localhost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:32:03 Minotaurs may be beefy, but they've got nothing on trolls in that regard 00:32:03 so not sure why they'd be heavy 00:32:22 Well, probably they would be heavyweight in a HUMAN league, but... :P 00:32:36 heh :) 00:33:48 just imagine all the stoppages after headbutts from them 00:34:07 Any ideas for a good god replacement title for 'Demonologist'? 00:34:19 I was going to use 'Lord of Hosts' instead of 'Hellbinder' 00:34:51 What are the other summoning titles already used? 00:35:14 "Caller", "Summoner", "Convoker", "Demonologist", "Hellbinder" 00:35:44 "Contractor" would both be plausible -and- snickerworthy 00:36:16 summon hydras to patch up your roof 00:36:27 Would something like 'Beastmaster' make sense at all, I wonder? I mean, hydra are basically beasts, and ice beasts are definitely beasts :P 00:36:35 Of course, shadow creatures kind of aren't 00:36:56 I imagine it's bad for a similar reason to why Demonologist might be 00:37:11 Well, demonologist is bad here since good god worshippers can't use the demon spells 00:37:16 Demonologist is specifically bad because... ^ that 00:37:35 that, but also because not every summon is a demon and that's not even necessarily the main focus 00:37:40 Something more general would be better, sure 00:37:47 lots of summons? must be a magistrate 00:37:51 haha 00:39:05 'Lily Tomlin' -- 'cause you call a lot of people 00:39:07 anyway Beastmaster might just make people want to tune into TBS a lot for some reason 00:39:09 maybe it'll be on 00:39:29 What, is that the name of a TV show or something? 00:39:35 ice magic + summoning: Cold Caller 00:39:37 show and movie 00:40:01 and the movie was aired a lot, I think. Kind of like Roadhouse and etc 00:40:21 Never heard of that one either :P 00:40:40 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-845-gbf403f7 00:40:42 how about Hermetic for the top tier summoning title for good god worshippers? 00:41:05 "Lord of Hosts" might be a bit offensive 00:41:06 Don't Hermits normally AVOID crowds? 00:41:09 Not create them? 00:41:14 since it's also used to refer to actual deities 00:41:29 Did Hermetic mysticism actually have a holy connotation 00:41:51 "Hermeticism ... comprises beliefs and practices whose purpose is the influencing of the world by means of contact with the heavenly forces." 00:42:26 good god summoners in practice are just summoning dragons and stuff so 00:42:41 Hermetically sealed now makes no sesne to me ;) 00:42:50 I think that had to do with Hermes 00:42:52 A lot of that stuff gets into icky unholy occultism too, I'm pretty sure 00:42:52 And mercury 00:43:09 Eronarn: so "Lord of Dragons"? 00:43:32 Hydrologist 00:44:01 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:44:38 Eronarn: that reminds me of this -- http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2305 00:45:02 If we found a wizard, we'd make the poor sod give us cheaper electricity. 00:45:13 how's commander-in-chief for summonings 27? 00:46:12 rchandra: too US centric 00:46:30 Lord High Summoner? 00:46:41 SamB: too Gilber & Sullivan? 00:46:50 I don't follow how that's an argument 00:47:04 Spirit Binder? Although that sounds like necromancy, actually 00:47:11 Imperator 00:47:23 I want to play crawl without getting the Mikado in my head 00:47:45 rchandra: not gender neutral ;) 00:47:54 bh: what? 00:47:55 also, CinC is pretty worldwide 00:48:57 zoologist? 00:49:13 hehe 00:49:53 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:40 Administrator 00:51:08 or bureaucrat :) 00:51:30 re submodule changes, that was just for MSVC compilation 00:52:02 It probably would help if the flavor on summoning were more specific than "spend MP, get dudes", but then again every other title seems to be getting by with about that much detail 00:52:04 mumra: yeah, I spotted the commit 00:53:12 "gatekeeper" 00:53:29 Procurator 00:53:36 'Voted Most Popular' 00:53:47 the Superfriend 00:53:58 bed time. If someone beats me too this frivolous task, good on ya 00:54:00 Grunt: i wanted to give Lamia a unique variant of IOOD, is this a good idea? basically an 'orb of poison' which does the usual damage but also heavily poisons you and explodes into poison clouds and/or leaves a poison trail 00:54:10 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:54:56 I sort of think it is more interesting in this case if it is not poison, since lots of the stronger stuff there is already poison (and she herself already has poison arrow) 00:55:43 that sounds quite a lot stronger than normal iood 00:55:58 !tell bh Community Organizer 00:55:59 Zannick: OK, I'll let bh know. 00:56:43 Well, it sounds quite a lot weaker if you have rPois (which you probably will in Snake anyway?) 00:57:07 I guess if the normal damage is also poison element 00:57:25 I had sort of assumed it would be 00:57:44 it not needing to hit exactly to get you a good few levels of poison sounds fairly strong 00:57:46 Or partially-resistable, anyway 00:58:05 Well, the poison clouds and trail do literally nothing if you have rPois 00:58:18 right 00:58:21 Which, again, given where she shows up, you are fairly likely to have 00:58:40 I guess I'm trying to figure out if that's supposed to be a buff or just a difference 00:58:57 because I'm not sure Lamia would be very high on the list of "uniques that really need to be stronger" 00:59:14 No, certainly not 00:59:18 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 00:59:32 do we have any unique bats? 00:59:45 I mean, I'd hardly one to advocate against unique mechanics here, but in this case I think she actually works better with the plain iood than a poison variant of it 00:59:52 Sonja? Nessos? 00:59:57 or do you mean actual bats 01:00:11 actual bats 01:00:34 Well, there's only even one other NON-unique bat, and it almost doesn't exist 01:00:35 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:00:37 Well, not counting batvault 01:00:40 not unless there's some silly vault monster 01:00:46 'cause I'd probably put them at the top of the "need to be stronger" list 01:00:52 and there are some silly vault monsters, or maybe were 01:01:03 unknown monster: "hyperbat" 01:01:03 %??hyperbat 01:01:09 Well, nothing in batvault really could count as a unique, even if it was literally one of a kind 01:01:11 I guess that doesn't know vaultmonsters 01:01:12 does Crawl also need a unique quokka 01:01:26 I never said we needed one 01:01:26 they're not very strong either 01:01:26 Actually, a unique quokka sounds hilarious 01:01:56 just I imagine it would be too week if we had ;-) 01:01:56 sounds about as dangerous as ijyb without a wand or weapon 01:02:13 <|amethyst> give it summon dragon 01:02:13 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:02:29 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:42 unless you made megaquokka a lair unique or something and then gave it like 45 melee damage or something ridiculous 01:03:13 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:44 Well, kobolds are among the weaker monsters in the game yet Sonja manages to be scary enough 01:03:47 -!- Wester has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:57 yes, but she's most definitely off-model 01:03:58 (Note that I am using this as evidence in a campaign to make a quokka unique, mind :P) 01:04:05 Not* 01:04:11 Rather unfortunate typo 01:04:22 like if normal kobolds were speed 14 or whatever they would also be frightening 01:04:30 She also has 3 attacks 01:04:45 and they're probably disto 01:04:49 SwissStopwatch: i was thinking it'd do reduced normal IOOD damage plus the poison so overall it shouldn't be any stronger, just a flavourful difference 01:04:51 Or often enough! 01:05:11 i kind of think someone as infamous as lamia should have some sort of special ability 01:05:26 out of curiosity what does the t mean in !hs tali713 t? 01:05:26 She's pretty special as it is, really 01:05:34 Tournament 01:05:36 special ability: eating corpses 01:05:40 well yeah 01:05:44 DracoOmega: thank you. 01:06:14 Well, Lamia is not only quite strong, but really does have a fairly varied bag of tricks already 01:06:42 in some ways the damage of her IOOD is deceptive, there's nothing when you see the orb to tell you it's way more powerful than other ones you see, having it actually a different colour with slightly different effect would be kind of a warning 01:06:44 and if you take her band as a whole you might get hit by 4 different spells a turn! 01:06:53 Way more powerful than other ones? 01:06:56 I am fairly sure it is not 01:06:59 Lamia (06N) | Spd: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 18 | HP: 200 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 40, 1203(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, 04eats corpses, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 3976 | Sp: destruction orb (8d16), mesmerise, haste, poison arrow (3d25), teleport self | Sz: Large | Int: high. 01:06:59 %??lamia 01:07:01 Boris (05L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 154 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 25, 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8380 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), b.cold (3d32), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (8d18) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:07:01 %??boris 01:07:10 ancient lich (16L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 83-131 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11670 | Sp: b.cold (3d37), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d44), teleport self / b.draining (3d30), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d37), crystal spear (3d48) / b.fire (3d37), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d30), greater demon, banishment / mystic blast (3d30), b.cold (3d37), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (8d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:07:10 %??ancient_lich 01:07:21 the only "weak" orb is from orb spiders 01:07:26 ok, for some reason i'd got the impression it was 01:07:41 Nope, actually weaker than quite a few 01:07:43 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 59-99 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4059 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), teleport self / b.draining (3d24), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d24), greater demon, banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), invisibility, animate dead, destruction orb (8d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:07:43 %??lich 01:07:50 orb certainly doesn't help but I'm not sure that's really why Lamia is dangerous 01:07:52 Just a tiny bit stronger than from a plain lich 01:08:14 Oh, wait, still weaker 01:08:31 So actually it is the second-weakest iood in the game, I guess? (Not counting player ghosts) 01:08:44 conjurer statue might be weaker 01:08:49 Not that it is weaker by MUCH, but it is certainly not obviously stronger, either 01:08:52 Oh. Yeah, probably. 01:08:52 I think that slings orbs? 01:09:21 you typically aren't meeting liches at the time when you might be in snake 01:09:22 iood does get some people because it has weird movement rules and spending time actively dodging it can be counterproductive anyway sometimes 01:09:29 Does Chei know of those, I wonder? 01:09:29 unknown monster: "conjurer_statue" 01:09:29 %??conjurer_statue 01:09:33 well, you typically might see them sooner 01:09:36 mumra: Well, Boris also not-infruently spawns in Snake 01:09:51 because you can put that off until after Vaults, Crypt, and Late D, which can all have those 01:09:53 yikes 01:09:54 Or before you go there too, sure 01:09:56 and even can have ancient liches 01:10:34 I mean, her iood is dangerous, but it's not uniquely dangerous. Probably it is mesmerize that makes it somewhat moreso 01:10:43 it's the everything 01:11:04 ridiculous durability, high melee output, a band of really strong followers 01:11:13 and also haste 01:11:40 well, i just thought it'd be nice to make it more poison-themed to fit her flavour 01:12:13 Non-poison conjurations are not out of flavor! 01:12:19 Naga mages and greater naga also have them 01:12:34 well exactly, plenty of stuff has orbs 01:12:39 she's basically a greaterer naga 01:12:42 i guess that's what threw me about the damage: 01:12:43 Well, they don't have orbs 01:12:51 Well, I guess imb is technically an orb? 01:12:53 But not an orb orb 01:13:13 actually the greaterest naga because of how over the top deadly she can be, I suppose 01:13:28 Yes, she is clearly styled as a greater naga but moreso (which makes sense, really) 01:14:06 (to be clear though, I'm pretty scared of fighting a single greater naga with most characters I go into Snake with) 01:14:21 I get the impression you are a very cautious player in general 01:14:39 I kind of think I gauge those as much more dangerous than most people do 01:14:43 (Not that greater naga should be taken lightly) 01:14:51 it might also just be the kind of characters I end up with though 01:15:05 greater nagas are definitely pretty good against people that need to melee them 01:15:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:10 Well, I find that by the time I end up fighting many greater naga, they are USUALLY easy, then every now and again scarily not 01:15:25 to me anyway it'd make sense for her to be like "i am such a greaterest naga i have this badass iood nobody else has" 01:15:26 As Crawl is wont to do 01:15:32 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:15:51 Are you sure you're not just looking for an excuse to show what your new projectile code can do? :P 01:15:56 haha 01:17:43 i have enough excuses for that already don't worry ;) 01:17:48 Haha 01:18:07 I wonder if that spell would end up being interesting even if Lamia didn't get it 01:18:16 I actually do have an idea on the backbackburner that might benefit from that, too, now that I think of it 01:18:18 although it actually sounds more like CBL than IOOD to me somehow 01:18:29 except aimable 01:18:46 I am certainly 100% behind a more useful CBL 01:18:58 In fact, that was one of the first patches I submitted >.> 01:19:13 yeah, CBL is very.... specialized for the difficulty of casting 01:19:23 yeah Grunt's proposal for that sounded interesting 01:19:25 Where 'specialized' means 'bad' 01:19:42 it means bad 99% of the time, and not that great the other 1% 01:19:45 Like, seriously, as far as I am concerned, even under the IDEAL conditions it is not great 01:19:49 Yeah 01:20:09 And yeah, the generalities of what Grunt was saying sounded good to me. Certainly worth trying. 01:20:17 I am kind of opposed to making the blast radius smaller, though 01:20:56 (Also, however the spell works, it PROBABLY shouldn't break wandering ball lightning monsters entirely) 01:21:12 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:18 ##crawl 01:21:52 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:24:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:27:31 I found that CBL with rElec is like a chain lightning that might or might not work 01:27:54 I used it until I got the latter 01:29:52 Well, when it blows up on you it hurts you a lot more than chain lightning does 01:30:16 Putting aside the sigificant chance that you are the ONLY thing it blows up on 01:34:45 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:35:29 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37:44 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:44 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38:00 -!- ohms has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:33 -!- JudeDude has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:51:19 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52:59 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:49 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:56:57 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:00 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:47 -!- Nikolaos has quit [Quit: Wrong button bad with computers] 02:10:25 -!- Vizer_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:37 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:16:02 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:16:04 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 02:16:43 -!- pendevin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:25:29 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:31:07 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:42:13 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:19 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:45:33 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Pacra] 02:48:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:42 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:42 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:06:55 -!- Alumjha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:15 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14:52 -!- alefury has quit [] 03:20:47 -!- sacje has quit [Quit: sacje] 03:22:57 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:23:23 -!- zardo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:27:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:32:13 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:38:38 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 03:47:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:21 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:25 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 03:54:42 -!- riot has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:56:37 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:58:50 -!- afd__ is now known as tibi 04:06:16 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:21:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:41 -!- Svendre has quit [] 04:36:47 -!- lainiw has quit [Quit: wooOooOoOoOOOOooo] 04:37:34 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:38:12 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:57 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:49:21 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:37 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 04:49:37 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:50:05 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:46 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:01:23 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:02:23 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:02:39 Not sure if this is an exploit or not, but in a game I just finished, in Zot:5 I could get Orbs of Fire off me by having them run through a teleport trap. 05:02:56 Infact, I led an entire army through that same teleport trap, and I could walk over the trap without setting it off. 05:11:53 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:14:50 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16:52 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:36 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:19 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 05:23:22 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:28:20 For the entire tournament I thought that nemelex altar with the deck on it had been removed, since it gave you such a powerful headstart. A few minutes ago I even chuckled out loud, when I used the Defense deck and a couple scrolls to recieve a legendary deck of wonders. I can now meph Sigmund like I'm level 8...on D:2. 05:28:31 -!- Nicksvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:36:59 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:42:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42:39 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:25 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:46:49 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48:12 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:05 -!- hart_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:39 -!- timpakay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:06:06 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:04 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is afk (probably sleeping)] 06:14:35 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:37 -!- TastyLemonDrops has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:32:53 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:41:05 looks like making ugly thing skeletons work is a matter of simply allowing them, according to arena tests derived undead at no point access the ghost_demon structure 06:43:14 kilobyte: why should they work though? we don't allow derived undead of other stuff with mutagenic corpses, no? 06:43:27 that's solve a few bugs, on the other hand, the zombie has no special resistances 06:44:21 elliptic: there are issues with raise skeleton/etc interface when ugly thing corpses are around 06:44:32 sky beasts might be there too, possibly 06:45:01 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:45:21 kilobyte: right, I assumed that other mutagenic corpses would have the same problem anyway 06:45:30 -!- Duralumin has quit [Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)] 06:45:52 I mean, such zombies are not very exciting, but allowing them to be raised at least removes inconsistencies 06:45:55 guardian serpents too 06:46:40 @??guardian serpent skeleton 06:46:41 guardian serpent skeleton (15z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 8 | HP: 44-68 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Dam: 22 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 429 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 06:47:00 kilobyte: aren't there still other corpses that can't be raised, though? for instance hell hounds 06:47:12 are you talking about enabling all of those? 06:47:16 @??hell hound skeleton 06:47:16 hell hound skeleton (15z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 5 | HP: 25-44 | AC/EV: 0/6 | Dam: 11 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(6), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 136 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 06:47:59 I'd prefer at least consistency: some are raisable, some are not, with no obvious rule 06:48:01 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 06:49:34 the rules seemed pretty straightforward to me (demons and mutagenic corpses can't be raised), but I agree it would be simpler if every corpse/skeleton was raisable, yes 06:49:57 uhm, lemme repeat: 06:49:59 @??guardian serpent skeleton 06:49:59 guardian serpent skeleton (15z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 8 | HP: 44-68 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Dam: 22 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 429 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 06:50:00 @??hell hound skeleton 06:50:00 hell hound skeleton (15z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 5 | HP: 25-44 | AC/EV: 0/6 | Dam: 11 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(6), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 136 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 06:50:03 but: 06:50:06 kilobyte: have you tried doing that in-game 06:50:06 @??sky beast skeleton 06:50:07 unknown monster: "sky beast skeleton" 06:51:12 You attempt to give life to the dead... 06:51:12 Before your eyes, flesh is ripped from the corpse! 06:51:12 Created a hell hound skeleton. 06:51:12 The dead are walking! 06:51:29 oh, weird 06:52:04 kilobyte: okay, I agree there aren't rules then :P 06:52:15 kilobyte: demonic crawler isn't animateable though... 06:52:21 that's what I mean: if even you are confused by things, they're not clear enough 06:52:25 yes 06:52:38 @??demonic crawler zombie 06:52:38 unknown monster: "demonic crawler zombie" 06:53:51 I guess I was confused because of trying to animate those corpses in spider 06:53:53 -!- Nikolaos has quit [] 06:54:04 but yeah, let's just make everything animateable :) 06:54:33 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:49 there's a hotkey for "move left unless a monster is nearby" right? 07:05:05 was it like shift+directional key? 07:08:58 -!- the_glow1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:09:47 -!- theboxx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:23:18 yes 07:23:36 It's "keep moving" if I recall right though. 07:32:02 -!- Arivia has quit [Quit: rivs is afk (probably sleeping)] 07:32:51 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:38:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:47:37 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 07:50:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:54:09 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Client Quit] 07:55:54 -!- Guest81510 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:59:52 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:14 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:31 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:13:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:14:30 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:16:16 -!- Nexos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:16:34 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:18:17 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:06 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:52 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:53 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 08:22:01 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:37 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:27:42 why do zombies have better EV than skeletons? 08:28:32 i would expect to be the other way around 08:28:41 why do either have ev 08:28:58 They're mindless minions without any will. 08:29:11 not too mindless to kill you 08:29:32 in fairness, I'd likely miss most my shots if I shot a skeleton with a bow, or stab one with a dagger 08:29:44 the force that animates them is just smart enough to try to avoid blatant death 08:29:46 Whacking something is far easier than dodging an attack. 08:30:29 they're able to walk towards the player 08:31:20 If they can whack you, they obviously can move. 08:31:57 Dodging is a maneuver that depends on how the attack against you is performed. 08:32:09 Which actually requires some thought. 08:32:12 but whatevs 08:32:50 you can still miss a dragon as a tiny little thing slashing at it 08:33:55 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 08:36:34 Nazgul (L23 MiBe) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 403 failed. (Vaults:1) 08:37:03 Nazgul (L23 MiBe) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 403 failed. (Vaults:1) 08:37:04 Bloax: I didn't say they should be able to dodge *well* 08:37:25 but whatevs 08:37:25 you can still miss a dragon as a tiny little thing slashing at it 08:37:32 That's kind of dropping the argument. :x 08:37:49 but if they can dodge at all, its a bit silly that skeletons are worse at doging than zombies 08:38:22 clearly the EV ability isn't strictly dependent on good intelligence 08:39:03 Definitely. 08:39:08 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:27 <|amethyst> maybe it's dependent on having muscles (rotten though they may be) 08:40:22 the lack of muscles doesn't prevent skeletons from hitting just as hard as zombies... 08:41:07 Truth to be told I'd like another raise dead spell. 08:41:19 A "raise intelligent skeleton" one. :v 08:42:06 <|amethyst> that's called "worship Yred" 08:42:22 True enough. 08:42:34 <|amethyst> (or Twisted Resurrection or Death Channel) 08:42:55 <|amethyst> not that aboms are very smart, but they can at least take stairs 08:43:18 Just doesn't have the same effect as having a bunch of skeleton buddies running around with you. 08:43:27 <|amethyst> oh, I guess spectral things are unintelligent too? 08:43:54 Intelligence: plant. 08:43:58 e-yup 08:44:53 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:46:08 -!- ahpla_ is now known as ahpla 08:46:12 -!- ahpla has quit [Changing host] 08:46:32 * xFleury finished a 5 hour game where "monster respawns" was disabled; spawn_random_monster() was called 200 times upon floor generation and then never again*. 08:47:02 you generated 200 floors? 08:47:07 * xFleury wishes he could convince some devs to try it. 08:47:09 also, what was it like? 08:47:28 or 200 random monsters per floor? 08:47:44 The latter. 08:48:00 thats a lot 08:48:04 you must have been overleveled 08:48:04 Basically, spawn_random_monster() is normally called roughly once every 5 turns, while you're exploring the floor. It sometimes results in a monster being spawned. 08:48:12 oh, only sometimes. OK 08:48:33 That monster will spawn anywhere outside LoS. It doesn't care if spawns it in an area you already cleared, or would otherwise be impossible for a monster to have gone there. 08:48:36 seems liek it could lead to floors being really strong when you first get there 08:48:50 In my build, this doesn't happen. Monsters don't "just spawn" while you're exploring a floor. 08:48:54 They're spawned upfront. 08:48:58 what are the odds of spawn_random_monster() making a monster 08:49:10 just to get a ballpark idea 08:50:17 TBH, I haven't looked into the calculations very indepth. But there's some external variables to go into it. For instance, some zones will more frequently result in that function spawning a monster than other zones. 08:50:30 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:50:43 OK 08:51:08 what would be wrong with still calling it ever 5 turns, but disabling it after 1k turns on the level 08:51:27 like a stricter version of the current system where monster summons slow down after 3k (i think) turns 08:51:32 Difficulty overload 08:51:33 no cheating; if a monster snuck up behind you, it infact snuck up behind you 08:52:20 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 08:52:25 and when you clear a floor, it's clear, permanently 08:52:32 long live upstairs 08:52:41 clearly underpowered as is 08:53:25 a fun side-effect I've noticed though, is that "Mark" status is SCARY 08:53:36 it already is 08:54:06 It's more scary when the number of roaming monsters is a fifth of the map, rather than a few 08:54:39 you do know that mark is currently coupled with very noisy effects that tend to wake up stuff? 09:00:17 -!- coffeemonster_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:01:22 i didn't; 12? 09:04:53 anyways, I'm really enjoying it so far, trying to beat a TeFE on it now :D 09:07:12 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:25 xFleury: it seems to me it makes the game easier 09:12:33 nothing wrong with that, just be clear about what it does 09:13:36 no, that's not the goal; fairness != easyness 09:13:41 also, if you're s stron character,you will gain more xp/aut 09:13:54 since you can clear the level in less than 1k turns and moev on 09:14:43 The assumed "1k" turns per floor can be changed to any value, but I've been told "1k" is great value to assume. 09:15:08 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:15:12 if you're a weak character you'll have lower xp gains 09:15:49 since you're used to taking a longer time to clear floors, thus getting more than your 200 calls of spawn_random_monster() 09:16:08 is this soley about no "unfair" monster spawns? 09:16:38 spawn them at a stairs far away from you: they wandered in from another level, no unfairness 09:16:59 indeed, my MiBe might spend only a couple hundred turns to clear D:1, while my TeFE might take easily over a thausand. 09:18:40 ideally, spawning them while the player is exploring the level should take into account quite a few factors: whether a location has already been explored, and whether (if spawning on a staircase) if the floors above/below have been fully explored. 09:18:51 Presently, it doesn't consider squat. 09:19:20 -!- Krag has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:50 why "should" it do those things? 09:20:25 cause "fairness" 09:20:46 that's not much of an answer 09:21:27 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:21:28 why is it more "fair" for cleared levels to stay cleared forever? 09:25:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:06 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:20 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 09:28:55 even if the floors above have been explored, monsters can still spawn and make their way down 09:29:45 as long as it doesnt spawn them in an obvious impossible dead end, you can't complain about unfairness 09:30:33 If you're on DL10 and a monster appears on the upstairs, that's because it started outside the dungeon and made its way down through nine levels 09:30:36 just like you 09:30:59 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:38 -!- ahpla_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:33:22 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:36:02 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:37:58 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:58 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:42 -!- jajaja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:42:23 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:44:25 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:52:52 -!- kober has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:03 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:45 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:48 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:36 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:04:01 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:08:21 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10:54 -!- s951 has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:01 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:11:22 -!- rax has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:13:23 Nazgul (L23 MiBe) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 403 failed. (Vaults:1) 10:14:00 -!- djanatyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 10:14:42 mumra: Lamia is already terrifying enough as she is; she probably doesn't need an even more powerful ability :b 10:14:59 mumra: at some point over the next day or two I'm going to do a round two of the CBL rework based on your projectile code. 10:15:24 Nazgul (L23 MiBe) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 403 failed. (Vaults:1) 10:15:34 !lm Nazgul crash -log 10:15:35 4. Nazgul, XL23 MiBe, T:57974 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Nazgul/crash-Nazgul-20130522-151322.txt 10:17:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18:01 Grunt: well, the idea was to keep it overall about as powerful, but anyway; didn't seem like a popular idea 10:19:58 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:14 03galehar 07* 0.13-a0-846-gae48bdc: Fix a few quote characters. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae48bdc2098c 10:23:14 03Translators 07* 0.13-a0-847-g05065a7: [Transifex] Sync german. 10(2 minutes ago, 9 files, 2040+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=05065a7e4d5d 10:23:20 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:23:49 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:28 I'd comment on Lamia but as it stands I haven't ever met her yet. 10:30:34 -!- Sealer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:32:37 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:31 she's certainly a scary lady 10:34:14 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:20 I think lamia is unique enough as-is without having any unique spells 10:34:29 -!- N78291 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:34:46 we don't have any other constriction uniques 10:35:22 Grunt: anyway let me know when you look of CBoL, code may or may not need some explaining (i'm meaning to tidy it up a little before then) 10:35:40 You COULD have another but I'm not sure anyone would want it. :v 10:35:49 elliptic: doesn't aizul constrict? 10:35:53 no 10:35:54 No. 10:35:56 Aizul (13S) | Spd: 15 | HD: 14 | HP: 142 | AC/EV: 8/18 | Dam: 25 | spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(112), 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 2602 | Sp: b.venom (3d18), sleep, poison arrow (3d21) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 10:35:56 %??aizul 10:35:59 guardian serpents don't constrict 10:36:04 Aizul is a guardian serpent, not an anaconda. :b 10:36:06 He's a wuss like that. 10:36:22 what an amateur 10:36:46 need moar seafood 10:37:01 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/OctoSir.png yus 10:37:29 let's add an octopode unique, and show Lamia who's a wimp who can't constrict all your summons at once 10:37:55 oh you're going to spam me with dragons 10:37:57 well then 10:38:00 poor them 10:38:34 hrm, so we'd need a giant octopode then? 10:38:55 monsieur krakenpode 10:39:17 Land-kraken/octopode unique. 10:39:26