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[Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 10:45:39 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:49:15 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-751-g1290d6a: Fix Mantis 7058: Beogh now recalls "to your vicinity," just as Yred does. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1290d6adebca 10:49:15 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-752-gd3a2fbd: Remove unneeded brackets. 10(in the future, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3a2fbd4e96a 10:49:39 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:49:44 dolorous, bringing you the future of crawl development <_< 10:51:44 i don't know what to do about https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6174 10:52:22 it feels odd to have like 20 versions of a tile and use none of them 10:52:59 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:00 are they worse than the current tile? 10:53:41 Clearly cycle between all of them. 10:53:44 <_< 10:55:07 elliott: they're both undesirable in different ways :( 10:56:06 close up the issue? you have to be strong :P 10:56:42 You feel very mighty all of a sudden. 10:56:55 hah 10:57:11 i guess i should go through and close all these issues i don't like >.> 10:58:29 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:01 Oh and Ontoclasm. 11:07:17 While yeah the downscaling definitely fucked with the phantom demon. 11:07:41 It doesn't seem all that bad. 11:08:31 It's already kind of dark and the weird look of it is kind of distracted by all the purple if we include the outline. 11:09:12 Though it definitely wouldn't fit in with the usual all-too-bright-and-saturated pixel art. :v 11:10:40 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:10:43 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:14:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:55 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:19:13 well... i mean, it's bright and saturated for a reason 11:19:18 i.e. so you can see it 11:19:47 the dngeon floor is like 10% grey, black stuff just isn't going to show up 11:21:22 Which is why I spammed purple. :x 11:21:26 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:22:05 yes 11:22:29 the one with the outline is much more visible, but my point was that it's hard to read 11:23:01 you can't see the details, so it's just a black blob surrounded by a purple blob 11:23:04 It's definitely not a clearly shaped thing due to the downscaling. 11:24:07 In personal bias, I can still see what the hell is going on for the most part. 11:24:40 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-753-ga42053e: Fix a possible crash when acquirement fails. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a42053eac933 11:24:42 Let's see what happens if.. 11:27:47 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:28:06 how about https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/ShadowDemod4.png 11:36:26 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:38:00 ontoclasm: having the phantom flicker randomly could work 11:38:06 Actually. 11:38:12 How about https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/ShadowDemod4b.png ? 11:38:20 is there someway someone could make the save file attached to 7018 "Crash after forgetting Flight" avaliable? i can't reproduce it in a new file 11:45:23 <|amethyst> it's not accessible? 11:45:36 wait, it is 11:45:40 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:50 uh ... sorry. i just assumed it wasn't like the others 11:45:59 assumptions and asses and what not i guess 11:46:01 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:46:05 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:05 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 11:46:05 -!- voker57 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:11 <|amethyst> blackcustard: in general, Mantis uploads like that should be available 11:46:32 o that didn't register. it's an attachment not a link 11:46:50 this wasn't on a server so that's ... as expected 11:47:25 <|amethyst> blackcustard: in general save backups will look like neil-crawl-git-70e25bb2b1-121208-2136.tar.bz2 11:47:30 Okay I think I got this. 11:47:32 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/ShadowDemod5.png 11:47:49 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:48:01 <|amethyst> blackcustard: (unless it was created by admin fiat rather than the backup scripts) 11:48:34 that makes sense 12:00:17 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:04:07 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:15 Bloax: that looks better 12:06:22 i'd have to see it in game to be sure 12:07:11 I'm kind of pasting it in over https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Battlefield.png to see how it looks. 12:07:47 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12.1-16-g33cc8c2 12:07:48 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:59 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:10:44 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:11:10 -!- edlothiol has joined 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mumra: yiuf is more dangerous than most things behind runed doors 12:44:23 including door vault 12:45:02 i had doorvault in Tar full of aliches and tormentors :P 12:45:47 admittedly shatter worked pretty well on them, better than on the 3 shadow fiends that destroyed me later 12:47:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:47:10 you also had many more escape options in tar than you had when yiuf appears 12:47:47 don't remind me, that's the depressing part :( 12:48:21 -!- rast_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:49 anyway putting a runed door on yiuf's hut seems easy 12:48:53 this seems like a bug but im not sure how it should be resolved 12:48:56 http://pastebin.com/tLX3knbM 12:48:59 "these runes appear to have been scrawled in blood by a madman" 12:49:11 short version: read scroll of holy word in a crowd of guardian mummies 12:49:20 one of the mummy death effects is creating shadows 12:49:22 I see, yes, it killed some of the shadows that were created 12:49:29 which also die immediately to that same holy word 12:49:30 possibly creating the shadows should be a fineff 12:49:48 I don't know too much about fineffs but I think they are the usual solution to this sort of thing 12:49:51 fineff? 12:49:55 <|amethyst> mumra: that makes me think of Passover for some reason 12:49:56 final effect 12:50:07 basically delay the effect to happen at the end of the turn 12:50:21 obviously this isnt exactly a game ruining bug but it still seems like a bug 12:50:38 another option is to make a list of the monsters to be affected before actually affecting any of them 12:50:41 I don't know how easy that would be either 12:51:04 elliptic: that makes more sense actually 12:51:08 either one 12:51:16 <|amethyst> elliptic: right now it iterators over squares 12:51:28 |amethyst: right, as do most attacks... the thing is that this isn't just a holy word issue 12:51:28 <|amethyst> s/or/e/ 12:51:43 could also get this sort of thing with pretty much any aoe attacks 12:52:08 TRJ spawns used to have a similar problem... you could sometimes kill most of them with the same fire storm that damaged TRJ 12:52:18 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm... I guess changing to a monster_iterator won't help because then that depends on monster ids 12:52:19 watch out for starcursed masses if you go beyond just holy word; the merging could invalidate your list depending on how they work 12:52:23 a priority queue type thing for in-game timing would solve this I think? and has been mentioned before 12:52:28 and I know someone better at fineffs than me decided that should be a fineff 12:52:40 seems like unless things are a major balance problem or causing crashes then there's no point hacking around it 12:52:55 <|amethyst> elliptic: well, all the current fineffs are melee 12:53:00 right, the TRJ problem was an actual balance issue whereas this is not so major 12:53:10 |amethyst: are you sure? I thought TRJ used one 12:53:11 <|amethyst> elliptic: or, wait 12:53:19 <|amethyst> elliptic: that's right, TRJ's isn't melee-only 12:53:41 <|amethyst> actually most of them aren't melee 12:53:46 <|amethyst> I'm not sure what I was thinking 12:54:13 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 12:54:39 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:56:51 <|amethyst> elliptic: mummy curses as fineffs would make Makhleb/TSO tomb harder I think 12:57:04 |amethyst: wouldn't they make it easier? 12:57:15 since you wouldn't take the damage until after you'd healed from the kill 12:57:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: mass kills I mean 12:57:45 it depends i think 12:57:47 or I guess torment is one effect, but it would make them less likely to die to raw damage curse, which is the most dangerous 12:57:52 on which order things were killed 12:58:10 or do they already not take damage until they heal 12:58:13 of course it's bad that the killing order makes a differenec 12:58:22 <|amethyst> elliptic: currently: (kill a mummy, curse, get healed)* with fineffs: (kill all mummy, get headed)*, take a bunch of curses 12:58:23 mumra: yes, that is the worst part of it 12:58:35 <|amethyst> s/all mum/a mum/ 12:58:37 |amethyst: right, and the second thing is better 12:58:39 i mean ideally there could just be a proper ordering within the same instant and so on 12:58:41 |amethyst: because the curse could kill you 12:58:52 wouldn't be a problem, even in principle, if the order was random 12:59:08 <|amethyst> elliptic: are the curses not enough for a screenfull of mummy curses to take to from full to dead? 12:59:27 perhaps 1) healing should also be a fineeff (and it adds up all the damage and the healing and then applies it and only kills you if the final result is <= 0) 12:59:27 |amethyst: well, if you are actually killing a full screen then it is risky, yes 12:59:33 this isn't that common though :P 12:59:44 more common is that you are at 30 HP and kill a single mummy 12:59:48 and 2) deep dwarf pain mirror should be considered for the same if not already 12:59:51 and if the curse hits you for enough damage, you just die 12:59:55 thus, solutions: 1. randomizing the order (so you'd affect on the average half of the shadows), or 2. fineff 12:59:58 whereas if you healed first, you would live 12:59:59 elliptic needs to watch more tiles tomb splats :P 13:00:30 kilobyte: affecting the shadows feels weird to me 13:00:49 the shadows don't exist when you read the holy word 13:00:55 why should they be affected? 13:01:18 mumra: the problem with 1) is that the order matters because torment is an effect 13:01:30 so you still need to choose an order 13:01:33 <|amethyst> elliptic: arguably a "word" has duration rather than being instantaneous 13:01:54 |amethyst: well arguably the mummies don't die from the first syllable, but require the entire word :P 13:01:59 elliptic: true 13:02:16 could also be argued that the word itself doesn't do anything, it's TSO's response to it which may well have duration 13:02:36 geekosaur: it doesn't have anything to do with TSO afaik 13:02:38 pretty sure there's no god responding to holy words 13:02:51 since why would TSO help out a Makhleb worshipper just because they read a scroll 13:02:56 even if you have TSO wrath it works afaik 13:03:12 I know that's not how it's couched now, but that would be an implication of "holy"... 13:03:13 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:03:13 elliptic: since we have to assume that all the deaths happen simultaneously, i would calculate it as follows: 1) apply all absolute damage, 2) apply all torments, 3) apply deity healing 13:03:30 which seems like the fairest order 13:03:42 mumra: well, that's certainly the most favorable order to the player 13:03:43 and only potentially kill the player after 3) 13:04:00 I'd do 1 -> 3 -> 2 personally 13:04:06 since torments can't kill the player 13:04:21 this rarely matters though 13:04:51 or 3 -> 1 -> 2, or randomize everything even 13:04:59 maybe random order for fineffs would be good anyway 13:05:26 <|amethyst> "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" has some data of the timing of real-word LOS effect kills: "Four times fifty living men, / (and I heard nor sigh nor groan) / With heavy thump, a lifeless lump / They dropped down *one by one*" (emphasis added) 13:05:48 good data 13:05:48 <|amethyst> (I like the idea of fineff too, just being silly) 13:05:54 :) 13:06:12 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:06:20 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:02 <|amethyst> elliptic: of course, it does also say "too quick for groan or sigh" so we'd also need to determine how long a mummy curse takes relative to a groan or sigh 13:07:22 You feel weird after killing a mummy. 13:07:37 Read: After killing the mummy. 13:07:47 So on the next turn. 13:07:53 another option for area effects would be apply effects first for monsters nearest the center (and randomise order for those at the same distance) 13:08:02 <|amethyst> (FR: albatross) 13:08:11 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10:02 random order does make most sense from a realism point of view since things wouldn't die at exactly the same time 13:11:04 and i think since healing is a deity effect, the deity would choose to heal you at the most beneficial time, i.e. *after* the torment 13:11:59 mumra: well, healing sooner rather than later is usually the most beneficial time if the player doesn't get to cheat and live at negative HP temporarily 13:12:14 I don't think realism and crawl mechanics ever need intersect 13:12:22 deities are allowed to cheat ;) 13:12:54 I guess you could view it as the deity saving your life 13:13:56 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 13:14:19 in Crawl, getting at negative hp even temporarily is instantly fatal 13:14:23 mainly with all of this I just find it weird for X to affect something created indirectly by X 13:18:31 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:52 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 13:22:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:26:42 -!- kongtomorrow has quit [Quit: kongtomorrow] 13:27:14 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:18 ontoclasm: thanks for comment about layouts btw, any particular branches or all of them? 13:27:38 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:55 !tell SamB fixed, thanks! 13:27:56 Napkin: You have 9 messages. Use !messages to read them. 13:27:56 Napkin: OK, I'll let samb know. 13:30:25 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:31:12 -!- nooodl__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:31:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:11 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 13:36:07 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-754-g306f7df: Fix compilation on major version bump. 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=306f7df8deb1 13:36:07 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-755-gecd88da: Fix apparent wrong version number check. 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ecd88daec02d 13:38:24 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:43 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:40:32 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:42:14 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:30 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46:32 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:44 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:24 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:15 -!- mnoqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:19 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-749-g07a5de8: Revert "Disable the millis Lua call on non-UNIX" 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07a5de80feaf 13:51:19 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-750-g7bbde84: Add CLUA_BINDINGS flag to MSVC preprocessor 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bbde843cde0 13:51:19 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-751-gc1e2654: Revert "Eliminate an MSVC build step by running all Perl scripts in PreBuild" 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 24+ 37-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1e2654a6827 13:51:19 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-752-g5e726cb: Revert "Prevent MSVC erroring due to an enum not specifying its size" 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e726cb55495 13:51:19 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-753-g85a6986: Allow 64bit enum to compile in MSVC 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85a6986667f1 13:51:19 03kilobyte 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-754-g6eb1fb5: Don't give gettimeofday() an unused depreciated argument. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6eb1fb5c6806 13:51:19 03kilobyte 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-755-g55e466c: Avoid use of gettimeofday() on Windows (not implemented on MSVC). 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 19+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55e466c96791 13:52:47 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:03 -!- bhaak has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:59:09 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:02:08 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 14:03:08 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:04 -!- rphillips has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:05:23 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:06:12 hmm, I see I screwed up the preprocessor-condional stuff on my last commit :-( 14:06:12 SamB: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:06:13 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:19 !message 14:06:21 !messages 14:06:21 (1/1) Napkin said (38m 25s ago): fixed, thanks! 14:07:50 -!- rphillips has quit [Client Quit] 14:08:19 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:31 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:09:28 -!- notmadreisz has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:48 or, wait, that wasn't my last commit was it ... 14:12:34 -!- lainiw has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:13:08 would anyone like to mess with the front page? Starting tomorrow, Crawl will be Sourceforge's "project of the week. 14:13:26 not that many care about SF anymore, but still... 14:13:51 hah 14:14:31 sourceforge? what's that? 14:17:37 Is CSZO down again? 14:22:00 doesn't seem to be 14:22:04 at least, I'm playing 14:23:44 started a new game just now, too 14:28:24 There we go. 14:31:07 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:32:01 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Life without danger is a waste of oxygen] 14:32:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:58 SamB: which preprocessor stuff? 14:36:23 -!- StrixVaria has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:50 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-756-g61d6329: Update INSTALL.txt with MSVC instructions 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 22+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61d6329223fb 14:37:52 %git 0.13-a0-754-g306f7df 14:37:53 03dolorous * 0.13-a0-754-g306f7df: Fix compilation on major version bump. 10(60 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=306f7df8deb1 14:38:07 %git 0.13-a0-755-gecd88da 14:38:07 03dolorous * 0.13-a0-755-gecd88da: Fix apparent wrong version number check. 10(60 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ecd88daec02d 14:38:15 mumra: the stuff fixed in those commits 14:39:08 SF's new Allura interface that they've migrated most projects to is perhaps the Worst Thing Ever 14:39:19 yogaFLAME: and we thought it was bad BEFORE 14:40:53 http://fheroes2.sourceforge.net/ what the 14:41:13 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:21 does this have something to do with crawl 14:41:43 oh wait no 14:41:55 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-756-g7522321: Get rid of a couple more instances of ", spattered with blood" 10(16 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=752232100f67 14:41:57 so I have changes sitting in my tree to refer to "the floor" instead of "a floor" 14:42:45 SamB: *a piece of floor, please 14:42:47 linley intended it that way 14:42:52 (see: crawl 1.1) 14:43:30 elliott: I'm not positive that won't break .des files, lua, or config files sorry 14:44:34 (did linley die or something?) 14:45:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:00 -!- Felyza_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:46:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:26 no, hes making shmups now 14:47:30 also working, probably 14:48:17 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 14:48:37 I guess he just doesn't have many intentions towards crawl ... 14:53:03 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 14:56:18 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:06 mumra: the hells are my favorites; i love geh's lava fields 15:04:37 the crazy distorted stuff you get in zot is pretty awesome too 15:05:16 -!- AntiPlaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:06:15 yeah, geh has the best theme 15:06:27 dis is getting pretty good now too. really struggling with tar's theme tho. 15:08:21 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 15:09:09 !lg . t xl>=9 s=char 15:09:10 8 games for SamB (t xl>=9): 5x HOPr, 2x DDBe, MfGl 15:10:31 i liked in particular the tar version of the... i dunno, jigsaw rooms layout 15:10:39 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:10:46 lots of tiny, strangely shaped rooms 15:11:08 matches the oppressive, claustrophobic feel of tar 15:11:21 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 15:12:48 -!- TheOverlord has quit [Quit: TheOverlord] 15:13:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:26 there are several layouts that could be, without seeing a screenshot 15:14:41 if the rooms were tiny it could have been one of the grid city layouts 15:15:05 were they all connected onto each other with doors and maybe like 1 or 2 tiles wide? 15:15:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:17:46 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/tartarus.png 15:17:52 like that 15:18:05 can someone figure out why SpEn start with so much emphasis on training Hexes over Spellcasting? 15:18:27 -!- C7ty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:18:46 SamB: because they start with a book full of hexes? 15:19:03 seems reasonable to me 15:19:09 ??spell power 15:19:09 spell power[1/5]: (Spellcasting/2 + 2*avg school skill) * INT/10 * (1.5 ^ enhancer count). Now halve the part over 50, halve the part over 100, halve the part over 150, and plain cap at 200. Negative enhancers use 0.5, not 0.66. 15:19:17 oh, I get it 15:19:31 * SamB is not really what anyone calls a caster 15:19:31 are you talking about auto mode or? 15:19:37 st_: yeah 15:20:15 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 15:20:19 -!- NTRAFF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:34 is there a way to make git ignore a certain file, the way it ignores .o files for instance 15:21:48 I didn't realize school would be having 4x, or in some cases 2x, the effect on spell power 15:21:54 ontoclasm: called .gitignore 15:22:08 I think you can probably see where the name comes from 15:22:13 hah 15:22:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:10 what, in particular, were you looking to make git ignore? 15:23:30 my macro file 15:23:39 yes, add it to .gitignore 15:23:41 where's that? 15:23:43 and commit that 15:23:59 settings/macro.txt 15:24:23 and crawl makes that automatically at runtime? 15:24:38 you should rather do your changes and commit it 15:24:43 yes, if you make a macro and then choose to save it when you save the game 15:25:26 then you do a git rebase origin/master to keep your change and update to the last version of crawl 15:26:12 if he wants to ignore it only for himself, I think there's a place in .git/ to stick it 15:26:36 -!- voltteccer has quit [Client Quit] 15:26:52 Napkin: >.> i'm not sure exactly what you mean; are you saying i should put this in .gitignore and then push the new version of .gitignore? 15:27:15 settings/macro.txt is part of crawl repository, right? 15:27:30 yeah, it appears as soon as the player makes any macros 15:27:36 ontoclasm: oh right, that's layout_honeycomb, one of infiniplex's, it was my decision to put it in tar tho 15:27:40 then .gitignore is not an option 15:27:48 <|amethyst> huh? 15:27:49 so i'm glad you agree it fits there! 15:27:49 no, wait 15:28:06 when you do a fresh clone there is no settings/macro.txt? 15:28:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:09 <|amethyst> settings/macro.txt isn't currently part of the git repository 15:28:21 ah, then .gitignore, yes 15:28:25 right, a fresh clone doesn't have it 15:28:38 <|amethyst> playing doesn't create settings/macro.txt for me 15:28:44 change gitignore and commit it 15:28:48 <|amethyst> oh, when you make a macro 15:29:21 can anyone comment on something in tags.cc ... in an MSVC i'm getting an assert thrown from reader::read(void *data, size_t size) 15:29:24 shouldn't it be ignored by default, |amethyst? 15:29:32 because when reading in the god name, size is 0 15:29:35 how about adding it to crawl's .gitignore? 15:29:47 s/in an MSVC/in an MSVC build/ 15:29:53 <|amethyst> creating macros doesn't create settings/macros.txt for me 15:29:57 <|amethyst> how are you saving it? 15:30:10 <|amethyst> for me it makes saves/{charname}.map 15:30:12 shift-s, then answer yes when asked to save macros 15:30:15 <|amethyst> no, never mind 15:30:18 <|amethyst> that's something else 15:30:22 should i add an ASSERT(size > 0) to reader::read, and obviously prevent it being called in that case? 15:30:29 it actually gets called from a memcpy 15:30:32 <|amethyst> oh 15:30:42 <|amethyst> ~/.crawl/macro.txt 15:30:52 <|amethyst> I guess this is for when you don't have ~/.crawl ? 15:31:07 I think it's a Windows thing ... 15:31:15 yeah, i'm on windows 15:31:26 <|amethyst> err 15:31:28 possibly only for local builds 15:31:35 <|amethyst> doesn't that mean if you change your init, that would be committed? 15:31:42 <|amethyst> since settings/init.txt is in the repo 15:31:51 you'd think, yeah 15:31:59 <|amethyst> I guess you have to actually edit the file for that, though 15:32:06 unless it's a different settings/ 15:32:12 actually wait this is wrong 15:32:37 mumra: hmm? 15:33:01 oh no, that's right 15:33:07 SamB: unmarshalling a zero-length string 15:33:11 <|amethyst> mumra: what is fread returning? 15:33:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 15:33:19 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:42 |amethyst: fread isn't being called 15:33:52 <|amethyst> mumra: oh, which line is throwing? 15:33:58 |amethyst: 185 15:34:03 why shouldn't zero-length reads work? 15:34:04 memcpy(data, &(*_pbuf)[_read_offset], size); 15:34:23 it's a zero-length memcpy 15:34:36 in any case, adding settings/macro.txt to crawl's gitignore makes sense 15:34:48 info is getting VERY confused 15:35:11 the error thrown is "vector subscript out of range" 15:35:14 <|amethyst> mumra: Standard C is supposed to allow zero-byte memcpy 15:35:16 Napkin: yeah, i'm gonna push that; if it breaks you know who to blame 15:35:33 <|amethyst> hm 15:35:50 |amethyst: it's the target that's throwing, not the memcpy 15:35:50 <|amethyst> oh 15:36:44 |amethyst: in fact it's &(*_pbuf)[_read_offset] 15:37:17 <|amethyst> hm 15:37:33 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-757-g30f11c6: Shadow demon tile (bloax, 7035) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=30f11c6f85da 15:37:33 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-758-g26fb153: Add macro.txt to gitignore 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26fb153627ae 15:37:36 <|amethyst> we know that _read_offset+size <= _pbuf->size() or we would have received the exception 15:37:38 so, probably _pbuf isn't set right? 15:37:54 <|amethyst> (the short_read_exception) 15:37:56 SamB: pbuf is set, it's just not big enough (by 1) 15:38:01 oh, wait, _pbuf isn't a pointer 15:38:09 |amethyst: it's not the short_read_exception 15:38:15 <|amethyst> mumra: right 15:38:24 gah 15:38:28 C++ is hard to follow 15:38:31 <|amethyst> mumra: so read_offset+size = read_offset <= _pbuf->size() 15:38:36 |amethyst: in the case i'm seeing, pbuf's size is 72 and _read_offset is 72 15:38:41 yeah exactly 15:38:54 <|amethyst> mumra: I thought you were allowed to take a one-past-the-end pointer 15:39:11 |amethyst: I guess whatever kind of object _pbuf points at doesn't KNOW that 15:39:14 apparently not is microsoft's std::vector 15:40:13 (although, xFleury didn't seem to be having this problem at his end, maybe i somehow have a different version of std::vector due to either full version of VS, or windows 8, i dunno...) 15:40:30 this issue is triggered during the title screen btw, only if save files exist 15:40:38 and presumably not if those save files have a god name ;) 15:41:57 hm, apparnetly gdo doesn't know my real name 15:41:58 yeah, everything is fine if i've taken a god 15:42:21 gdo? 15:42:25 <|amethyst> mumra: well, easy enough to avoid anyway... if (data && size) 15:42:28 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 15:43:20 <|amethyst> mumra: I guess the problem is that this isn't just a one-past-the-end pointer, but actually calls operator[] on a one-past-the-end index 15:43:36 |amethyst: that's right, it's the vector's [] overload that's throwing 15:43:39 <|amethyst> mumra: probably &(*_pbuf)[0] + _read_offset would work 15:43:54 <|amethyst> since I believe vectors are required to be stored contiguously 15:44:46 does _read_offset not need multiplying by some factor in that case? 15:45:14 <|amethyst> mumra: pointer arithmetic does that already 15:45:43 <|amethyst> and sizeof(unsigned char) == 1 so it wouldn't be necessary anyway 15:46:07 <|amethyst> I think just using (data && size) is more readable 15:46:18 <|amethyst> and I'm more sure it will work :) 15:46:42 <|amethyst> since a zero-byte memcpy does nothing anyway 15:47:23 |amethyst: i tried with + _read_offset and it did work, but maybe just checking for non-zero size is better? 15:47:39 <|amethyst> mumra: yes, I'm inclined to agree 15:50:31 for some reason Sizzell decided an L1 death of mine to a bat was interesting enough to share 15:50:46 <|amethyst> !lg SamB cszo 15:50:47 279. SamB the Vexing (L1 SpEn), slain by a bat on D:1 (minmay_close_crescents) on 2013-05-19 20:49:51, with 42 points after 851 turns and 0:01:09. 15:50:55 <|amethyst> SamB: 851 turns 15:51:15 did anyone call 15:52:07 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52:46 oic 15:53:20 <|amethyst> SamB: for non-sprint/zotdef, it's ignored if score <= 2000 and either it's a quit/leave or the number of turns is less than 500 15:54:20 does anyone mind if i merge the MSVC stuff into trunk now? code changes are completely minimal at this point 15:54:32 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:43 in fact i even removed an old #ifdef that didn't apply to modern MSVC 15:57:07 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:48 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-757-ge90507f: Amend MSVC build instructions 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e90507f53483 15:57:48 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-758-g7307344: Remove an #ifdef applying to old MSVC versions 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=73073448fad6 15:57:48 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-759-g6806f56: Fix an MSVC error caused by zero-byte data read in tags.cc 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6806f56725cf 15:57:48 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-760-g849d623: Fix MSVC project file (FULLDEBUG and version header location) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 20-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=849d623ada65 16:01:12 xFleury: i solved the problem i was having with save files 16:01:26 oh cool, what was it? 16:01:38 if the player didn't worship a god, a zero-byte string was being read into player.godname 16:01:58 which was causing an assert in vector::[] 16:02:22 and i checked, the CLUA_BINDINGS flag did solve the text colour problems 16:02:39 so it seems like MSVC build is fully working now 16:02:44 :D 16:03:24 i fixed some other problems as well like DEBUG_DIAGNOSTIC was the wrong flag, needed FULLDEBUG instead 16:03:31 -!- dcgrp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:56 and for now i've reverted to gen-all.cmd because builds were taking silly long for minor changes 16:04:08 ??spen god 16:04:09 I don't have a page labeled spen_god in my learndb. 16:04:09 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:10 I still don't think I can generate build.h. The perl script that generates that file gives an error like "no GIT installed and util/release_ver doesn't exist". 16:04:15 it's annoying to have to remember to run it but we can find a better solution at some point 16:04:51 xFleury: like actually build rules/steps 16:04:54 xFleury: i get that error as well but build.h is still generated 16:04:57 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 16:05:03 er, mumra 16:05:14 SamB: ? 16:05:42 can't you write custom build steps for MSVC? 16:06:35 or, wait a sec, no it's not 16:06:47 SamB: yes, they are already used 16:07:03 SamB: but when i run the gen-*.pl files, it causes a ton of stuff to get rebuilt every time 16:07:09 even if you haven't changed anything 16:07:09 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:07:24 (i don't know how the gcc build avoid this, and when i asked about it nobody answered) 16:08:05 well, most of our build steps either have predictable dependencies or generate a dependency file 16:08:38 the dependencies are correct 16:09:00 what is it that's causing your stuff to get rebuilt all the time? 16:09:19 The fact that the "last edit" date stamp of the generated files gets changed. 16:09:25 And so MSVC "thinks" it's been edited. 16:09:30 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:09:43 Despite that it's exactly the same. 16:09:53 what's causing the file to be regenerated though? 16:11:08 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 16:11:12 5ubbak the Conjurer (L8 TeCj) (D:6) 16:11:28 SamB: e.g. art-data.pl 16:11:39 MorganLeah the Grand Master (L25 GhMo) (Vaults:5) 16:11:39 SamB: it regenerates art-enum.h and art-data.h 16:11:51 well did one of the input files change? 16:12:01 that is, art-data.txt or art-functions.h 16:12:06 no 16:12:18 but art-data.pl regenerates the headers anyway 16:12:18 well then why is the script run? 16:12:32 that's my question: how does the makefile *not* run the script? 16:13:22 because in the Makefile we tell make to only run that rule if one of the inputs is newer than the output 16:14:11 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:14:22 is that what those files after the colon are? 16:14:23 art-data.h: art-data.txt util/art-data.pl art-func.h 16:14:23 util/art-data.pl 16:14:36 the ones after the colon are the inputs, yeah 16:15:20 hmm, i'm not quite sure how this would work in MSVC projects 16:16:19 well if they didn't include nmake with that version of VC then I'm pretty sure you can 16:17:17 ok, take a look at the .vcxproj file in the msvc2012 branch 16:17:19 it's an xml file 16:17:22 nothing to do with make 16:18:40 -!- Guest81510 is now known as magicpoints 16:19:06 just looking up information about VS and makefiles see if there's a better way 16:20:31 at this point an install of MSVC 2012 would come in handy :-( 16:20:41 you can get Express 16:20:50 -!- JStrange is now known as lordfrikk 16:21:08 I bet I don't have enough space to install it even if it would work on XP ... 16:21:24 Express requires registration, but mailinator.com works just fine for that 16:21:38 it won't work on XP anyway 16:22:27 wine, perhaps 16:22:37 Windows 7 SP1 and up. 16:22:57 does WINE count as "up"? 16:22:58 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:04 Highly doubt it. 16:23:17 -!- moocowmoocow has quit [Client Quit] 16:24:08 * kilobyte would need to reconnect the big noisy machine first, but lemme try. 16:24:29 what you can't run that on ARM 16:25:04 does anyone have a particular fondness for their (non-laptop) keyboard? 16:25:16 I like that it's non-laptop 16:26:31 bh: n900's keyboard after some tweaking > most laptops :p 16:26:50 ... 16:27:08 bh: razor can be quite decent 16:27:13 I do use some fancy Logitech one, though, and it's worth it 16:28:17 my keyboard says DELL at the top right now 16:28:28 I used to dismiss the fancy stuff, but after a short while of using, there's a big difference 16:28:35 http://www.goldtouch.com/p-2-goldtouch-v2-adjustable-comfort-keyboard-pc-mac-compatible-usb.aspx -- I use one of these at work, but I can't stomach buying one for home 16:28:45 compared to the typical $5 stuff 16:29:56 -!- ahpla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:31:11 bh: what's the size of that keyboard? It's not obvious from the photo. 16:31:22 kilobyte: full size - numeric pad 16:31:41 xFleury: for build.h you need git on your command line 16:31:57 Width: 16 1/4 inches, Depth: 6 3/4 inches 16:32:06 xFleury: i.e. in PATH 16:32:14 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:32:16 xFleury: the standard git installer has an option to do this automatically 16:34:27 A default installation of msysgit doesn't seem to do that. 16:35:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:36:20 -!- Ryak has quit [Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?] 16:36:41 Do we have an option for rate limiting play? 16:36:48 xFleury: no, it expects to be run from inside msysgit command line 16:36:49 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:37:00 xFleury: but actually a default git installation isn't appearing to work either 16:37:01 as in, at very low HP you get a --More-- after every move 16:37:22 bh: more like "are you sure?" before *each* move 16:37:38 yep 16:38:06 mumra: or something that forces you to look at your inventory when you hit 10% HP 16:39:36 bh: I found that a wrist pad makes a keyboard far more comfortable, especially if it's built in 16:40:36 I also really, really hate small keyboards. I thus loathe laptops of any kind. 16:41:41 I prefer small keyboards. Stops bears, wolves and other wild animals from using my computer 16:42:10 that statement about n900 is because its keys are operated with nothing but two thumbs, which is essentially a different kind of input dev. Ie, for me, two thumb keyboard > one that pretends to be a regular one. 16:42:14 But does it stop cats? 16:43:26 xFleury: a desk shelf mostly does, although not completely. You can push it in when the kitteh demands a petting session on your knees, though. 16:44:06 xFleury: not having a cat stops that 16:44:31 so 16:44:45 is cao down? 16:45:39 no 16:45:44 it tells me a game using my save is already in progress 16:45:55 but i don't see it on the watch screen 16:46:08 LexAckson: wait a few minutes 16:46:12 okay 16:47:43 -!- moocowmoocow has quit [Client Quit] 16:48:24 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-759-g3043274: Halfling, demigod, and slave tiles (roctavian, 5903) 10(12 minutes ago, 8 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3043274c3dc6 16:48:24 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-760-gbfed50e: Angel and daeva tiles (roctavian, 5903) 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfed50ef6b2d 16:49:11 -!- notmadreisz is now known as lainiw 16:50:43 xFleury: got it, the pipe to /dev/null in gen_ver.pl was breaking on Windows 16:53:28 03xFleury 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-761-gbdc7fd1: Include missing post-build events for project tilegen in release build. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 32+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdc7fd1dea9b 16:53:28 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-762-g8bdd9d5: Use a version of gen_ver.pl that works on MSVC 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 43+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bdd9d55aeed 16:55:13 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:57:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:58:33 03mumra 07[msvc2012] * 0.13-a0-763-g41bdf9b: Correct a compile directive in AppHdr.h for non-MSVC builds 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=41bdf9bdfbf6 16:59:55 -!- ToBeFree is now known as matjohnson 17:00:00 -!- matjohnson is now known as ToBeFree 17:03:41 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:48 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 17:05:05 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:23 SamB: the solution to those generated files is either finding a way to do something more makefile-esque in MSVC (which is possible), or to find a way to get the vcxproj to conditionally run the perl scripts as per the makefiles, could be possible 17:07:10 SamB: but either of these options will take some time and research, the fact is the MSVC build now works at least 17:08:25 hmm still no luck 17:10:47 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:46 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:57 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:20:58 -!- Souljazz\unfoog has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 17:21:44 how long does it usually take for this thing to reset 17:22:49 it's been this way for almost 40 mins 17:23:19 yeah, if it's been that long you might have to get an admin to mess with it 17:23:28 which would be |amethyst i guess 17:23:31 okay 17:23:42 ??cao 17:23:43 cao[1/3]: Main Crawl server, located in Tucson, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, Zot Defense, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 17:24:01 ??cao[2] 17:24:02 cao[2/3]: Webtiles is at http://webtiles.akrasiac.org/ or http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/ 17:24:06 ??cao[3] 17:24:06 cao[3/3]: see {is_cao_down} 17:26:08 rax, if you are around I think I need my game's process restarted on CAO 17:26:53 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:28:19 -!- flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:43 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:34:55 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:35:12 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:19 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:20 -!- AntiPlaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:42:15 ??is cao down 17:42:16 I don't have a page labeled is_cao_down in my learndb. 17:42:27 !learn del cao[3] 17:42:27 Deleted cao[3/3]: see {is_cao_down} 17:42:59 LexAckson, if you just wait a bit it will fix itself 17:43:22 mikee_: he's waited an hour 17:43:34 is that really that long of a time 17:43:41 well, it is when you want to play 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-761-ga87a6ee: Switch submodules to MSVC compatible versions 10(5 days ago, 8 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a87a6ee1bffd 17:44:07 03Alexx999 07* 0.13-a0-762-g7d2ba46: - Added VS2010 solutions and projects 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 27 files, 3409+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d2ba46dffff 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-763-gdc203eb: Copy Windows includes from VS2010 10(5 days ago, 6 files, 1163+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc203eb9fa35 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-764-g5380d9a: Remove VS2010 files 10(5 days ago, 20 files, 0+ 3182-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5380d9a903ce 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-765-g8a774a0: Update MSVC files for VS2012 10(5 days ago, 17 files, 1968+ 100-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a774a003f90 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-766-g86b3369: Batch file to generate includes 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86b3369d88fe 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-767-g2a529a5: Move AppHdr include into dgn-proclayouts.cc 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a529a547429 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-768-g6484a40: Fix missing usleep command in MSVC 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6484a40017ff 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-769-gb4d6f14: Add a copy constructor to bit_vector (xFleury) 10(5 days ago, 2 files, 9+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4d6f14cf200 17:44:07 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-770-g5b5d4fb: Prevent a crash when monster description was empty (xFleury) 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b5d4fb47b75 17:44:07 ... and 27 more commits 17:44:09 LexAckson: wait a few minutes 17:44:13 an hour is more than a few minutes ... 17:44:26 yeah 17:44:27 i mean 17:44:34 typical condescending mumra 17:44:36 i can just start a new game on cszo 17:44:38 heh 17:44:44 going to link me to the dictionary definition of hour now huh! 17:44:45 mikee_: lol 17:44:55 but i don't think it's going to fix itself 17:45:04 i've had that happen to me a lot 17:45:16 because i used to have a lot of lag and would just close the terminal sometimes 17:45:21 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 17:46:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:47:25 xFleury: MSVC in trunk now 17:47:28 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:02 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:56:30 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:57:31 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:44 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:28 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:16 kaiserfro the Protected (L12 MiBe) (Lair:6) 18:13:07 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:15:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:19:04 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:19:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:35 -!- JuicyJ has quit [Client Quit] 18:22:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:27 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31:01 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:31:53 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:32:59 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:02 http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/ gets "unavailable (No such file or directory)" 18:37:10 -!- blami_ has quit [Quit: bonne nuit à tous] 18:42:59 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:34 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:47:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:48 yeah, I guess this is probably the usual thing of a webtiles game tying everything up 18:57:11 needs |amethyst or rax to fix it 19:03:39 -!- lordfrikk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 19:03:56 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:04:25 -!- ohms has quit [Quit: My refridgerator beckons to me.] 19:04:42 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:08 -!- Sticking has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:11:46 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:11:52 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 19:18:18 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:22:09 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:23 grumble grumble. I picked up a cherry mx keyboard and the tab key is dead. 19:29:03 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:30:11 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:31:19 -!- theboxx has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:31:28 -!- Stikcing has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:35:16 -!- Duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:51 what's up 19:39:04 Massive apathy. :[ 19:39:09 woooooooooooooooooo 19:39:11 I mean 19:39:12 meh 19:40:10 Otherwise this is up: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/WIP/MaulerDemon123.gif 19:40:13 If we're to be offtopic. 19:40:57 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:41:17 -!- Kaput has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:21 Is cao fixed? 19:42:23 greensnark: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:42:26 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:40 Bloax: hmm, reminds me of something ;) 19:43:53 http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2700&pid=34066#pid34066 19:44:18 why no it hasn't become a little trend to copy a certain edit of a certain baron of hell from a certain game for a certain sourceport of said game 19:44:38 -!- Zermako has quit [] 19:45:51 cao.... might be fixed? I dunno 19:46:11 -!- Boxx[laptop] is now known as theboxx 19:46:35 rax: webtiles is apparently dead 19:46:56 I'm not sure what starts the webtiles server.py so I haven't stuck my oar in :) 19:47:40 -!- Urza47 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:48:01 oh it's fucking annoying 19:48:13 /etc/init.d/webtiles restart doesn't do it for some reason 19:48:20 amethyst knows what to do 19:48:27 but the steps aren't documented :( 19:49:13 I wonder if anyone would be inconvenienced by killing the existing server.py :) 19:49:21 no but that won't be sufficient 19:49:23 there's some other step 19:49:26 Oh 19:49:30 I mean if you think you can figure it out rock on 19:49:36 the error message is super generic 19:49:52 webtiles is all brand new to me so I think I'm likely to make things worse before I can make them better 19:50:56 that was what happened to me last time 19:51:08 |amethyst: when you get to this if you could emailme ithe instructions for next time that would be awesome 19:51:11 right now I need to run out though 19:51:14 so catch y'all later 19:51:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:20 Webtiles server restarted. 19:52:46 Well apparently that isn't enough :P 19:53:51 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:55:31 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:55:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:56:57 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:28 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:44 -!- rocnal_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:01:20 Webtiles server restarted. 20:02:32 -!- rkd has quit [] 20:03:31 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 20:06:45 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:07:31 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:26 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12:33 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:12:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:17:42 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:36 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:53 greensnark: use stop, then start 20:21:56 restart is busted 20:22:11 or perhaps you need to kill it manually 20:22:50 |amethyst: why don't you fix "restart" to actually work? 20:23:03 <|amethyst> because I don't know why "stop" isn't working 20:23:12 <|amethyst> it's getting the signal and trying to shut down 20:23:27 <|amethyst> but then doesn't 20:23:29 is it the wrong signal? 20:23:39 or it's the server that's busted then? 20:23:48 <|amethyst> it's something in the webtiles server 20:24:24 <|amethyst> I looked briefly over the logs and it looks like maybe it's shutting down the connections serially and taking a long time (timeout) on some of them 20:24:31 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure about that 20:24:40 huh 20:24:48 that sounds a rummy way to do it 20:25:06 <|amethyst> I haven't looked into the code for that 20:25:19 <|amethyst> that's just the impression I got from a brief perusal of the server logs 20:26:34 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:28:37 -!- Sticking has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:29:16 oh man, it's been at least a year since I've been in here; hello ##crawl-dev, how is life 20:29:41 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:31:38 * xFleury makes a creepy face at nrook from across the channel. 20:31:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:56 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:46 yaagh 20:33:56 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:34:08 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 20:34:31 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:36:03 -!- dupo has quit [] 20:37:02 Yeah, I had to kill -9 the old process 20:37:11 It was curiously attached to life 20:38:11 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:14 -!- indspenceable has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:34 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41:34 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 20:42:25 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:43:31 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 20:44:52 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:51:45 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:34 -!- n100000 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:58:55 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01:10 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:01:42 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:04:49 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:06:31 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:08:45 -!- rocnal has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:10:50 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:20 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:21:33 Trying to use stairs in tree-form costs a turn. by elliptic 21:26:38 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:26:39 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 21:31:29 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:26 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:33:27 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 21:36:30 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 21:36:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:39 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:48 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:40:50 -!- RZX_ is now known as RZX 21:41:19 stair form 21:41:34 mimic form! >_> 21:41:39 stair mimic form !! 21:41:59 You try to walk up yourself but encounter a topological error! 21:42:06 Ouch! That hurt! 21:42:47 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:43:36 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-797-g429fad5 21:43:38 -!- randomizr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:45:54 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:46:09 -!- RZX__ is now known as RZX 21:46:25 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:47:20 altar self 21:48:12 portable altar of $god? 21:48:21 Bloax: that reminds me of that thing in zork 21:48:34 where you are in the boat, and you put it in your rucksack 21:48:46 you turn into an altar of xom. xom welcomes you! 21:48:46 which you are carrying 21:50:47 (it should be fairly obvious that this is NOT part of any winning play sequence) 21:51:07 sounds amusing, though 21:51:23 yes, many of the amusing things in that game are like that 21:51:38 though most of them are *intended* to happen 21:51:53 Reminds me a bit of one certain KoL quest. 21:52:09 Because that's the only one of such things I've ever done. 21:52:19 Lots of funny stuff can be sneaked in with such things. 21:53:17 * SamB wonders if you see yourself as a subitem of your own inventory when you do that ... 21:53:52 Put me in inventory 21:54:13 I suppose I could try if I could be bothered to refresh my memory as to how to play far enough to obtain the boat ... 21:54:18 You take off your inventory and put your head it in. 21:54:33 You can't see anything. 21:54:44 Fire anyway! 22:01:46 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01:49 -!- RZX_ is now known as RZX 22:02:35 -!- sbanwart__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:02:49 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-rc1] 22:04:31 Really quiver yourself? 22:04:36 -!- randomizr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:08:06 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:08:47 Y 22:08:58 You put your head in your quiver. 22:09:03 Oops! 22:09:05 You die.. 22:09:42 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:09:45 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 22:09:49 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 22:12:15 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:13:19 -!- [1]capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:29 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:13:32 -!- [1]capablanca is now known as mikee_ 22:13:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:14:14 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:14:25 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 22:16:05 !lg . t xl>=9 s=char 22:16:06 8 games for SamB (t xl>=9): 5x HOPr, 2x DDBe, MfGl 22:16:27 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:16:36 * SamB wants to increase the variety here so he can get Jiyva's banner 22:16:51 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:18:31 -!- rwbarton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:18:45 play a drcj 22:18:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19:33 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:19:54 feck 22:19:54 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:20:09 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 22:20:33 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:22:32 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:58 Zannick: are Felids particularly hilarious or something? 22:28:24 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:28:33 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 22:29:23 feck is pretty hilarious 22:29:33 extra lives in case xom kills you 22:30:01 how do I get them 22:30:04 ??felid 22:30:05 felid[1/6]: A cat race that can't use armour, weapons, wands or rods, and can't throw anything. They gain {extra lives} as they level up. They have claws (lvl 1, +2 dam), fangs, and fur. They cover ground quickly, see invisible, are carnivorous and have slow metabolism. 22:30:10 ??extra lives 22:30:13 extra lives[1/2]: Felids get one every three levels. You can't have more than two at a time. If you didn't gain a life due to this, you can get it later by gaining a non-multiple of 3 level with fewer than two lives remaining. 22:31:15 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:33:30 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:33:39 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 22:33:41 the hilarious part about felids is someone thought they were a good idea 22:37:53 -!- Exister has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 21.0/20130511120803]] 22:38:21 xom doesn't find mutation funny? 22:39:32 -!- Cerepol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:38 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40:45 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:40:52 he does sometimes 22:41:03 he once gifted a potion of mutation and i drank it immediately 22:41:10 gave me two different breath attacks 22:42:21 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:42:22 He finds drinking unID'd potions amusing (at least in combat, I think) 22:43:00 the best way to entertain xom is sheep + sticky flame 22:43:02 oh yeah, that time it was unid'd 22:43:43 Sheep + sticky flame is genuinely hilarious, though! 22:43:44 xom needs an action to summon large numbers of hostile sheep around you 22:43:44 :b 22:44:39 i was also thinking we need speech for doing apropos things to uniques 22:44:49 e.g. if you enslave pikel or banish louise 22:44:55 "Not again!!" 22:44:58 or put aizul to sleep 22:45:01 (If her description is to be believed) 22:45:28 "don't send me back!" 22:45:30 poison sonja 22:45:31 I was going to add a couple of lines to Donald... 22:45:34 "I'm dying. I hate that." 22:45:35 turn kirke into a hog 22:45:35 <_< 22:46:14 foreclose on ijyb's level 22:46:38 the twins already have speech for when you get one to kill the other, don't they? 22:46:46 Yes. 22:47:28 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-798-gcdd15bd: Don't give Fedhas' temperature resistance message for tree form when under penance. 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdd15bd19d48 22:48:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:22 petrifying jorgrun 22:48:44 or, alternately, roxanne 22:48:51 doubt that's even possible 22:48:59 Jorgrun can be petrified! 22:49:00 casting stone to flesh on roxanne 22:49:03 Oh, you meant Roxanne :b 22:49:49 Roxanne (028) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 180 | AC/EV: 20/0 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 2672 | Sp: crystal spear (3d32), iron shot (3d26), blink other close, b.magma (3d23), mystic blast (3d19) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:49:49 %??roxanne 22:50:35 "Take this instrument of something!" 22:50:36 _Something appears before you! 22:50:36 _l - a pear 22:50:51 It is an instrument of eating 22:50:53 a pear {god gift} 22:50:59 important qualification 22:51:07 can't have that flag because it's stackable, unfortunately 22:51:10 -!- santiago_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:11 i guess roxanne could react if you tried to disintegrate her 22:52:39 -!- santiago_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:55 That doesn't ever work, though 22:54:11 -!- Helmschank has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:54:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:54:31 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:35 oh, i know 22:57:36 03Grunt 07* 0.13-a0-799-g68bcf63: Move the early bound for grunt_profane_halls to D:21. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68bcf63620b4 22:59:39 man felids are WEAK 23:02:40 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-800-g2685a18: Add spacing fixes. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2685a18fc935 23:03:57 gah @ "add fixes" 23:04:23 At least it's not formatting fixes this time <_< 23:05:02 oh, you mean the spaces were in actual output text? 23:05:33 I meant the commit message wasn't "Add formatting fixes." 23:11:36 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 23:20:36 -!- Beneather has quit [Quit: Beneather] 23:23:02 -!- santiago_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:26 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:29:53 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 23:50:58 when summoning an air elemental from an occupied space: "There's something there already! An elemental appears!" bug, or just crawl telling me irrelevant things? 23:51:29 Possibly somewhere between the two? 23:51:32 also, fr I can asphyxiate or telefrag by summoning elementals from the air in the enemy 23:51:53 An elemental appears! Your lungs rupture! 23:52:23 If we are going to allow summoning elementals from occupied spaces (which does make sense, really; there's still plenty of air there), it shouldn't imply that something being there is a bad thing 23:52:35 Or alternately, it shouldn't work 23:52:50 -!- evilsagan1 is now known as evilsagan 23:53:16 -!- theboxx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:53:37 ok, I'll mantis it for people to remember it later 23:53:52 Sure 23:54:31 How do I keymap `+` to be `Tab`? I'm not sure what the "keymap action" name is for `Tab`. :S 23:54:57 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:55:46 nevermind, I got it