00:00:52 -!- ZipZipskins has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:03:45 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3196-g5edf6b2 (34) 00:04:34 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:05:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3196-g5edf6b2 (34) 00:06:34 is this JESTER?? 00:06:37 hmmm 00:07:18 nope 00:07:20 eeviac: that should be after 0.12 is released 00:07:22 eeviac: it isn't april 00:07:25 well, branched 00:07:28 but it's closeeee 00:07:38 eeviac: wait until it is *closer* 00:07:57 wait until it is *here* 00:07:58 !time 00:07:59 Time: Mar 31, 2013, 05:07:59 AM, UTC. 00:08:16 isn't it april in tonga or something 00:08:32 henzell time is the one true time 00:08:43 won't be for like 6 hours and 50 minutes 00:09:37 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3: #4874 Don't highlight scrolls in green when inscription says "tried on uncursed ..." 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72301d33221d 00:10:59 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:40 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:49 does anyone know why players are actually allowed to wield arbitrary items? other than comedy purposes and abusing mara mechanics 00:12:26 maybe they suck at UC? 00:12:26 I think it needs to actually be effective before it can be considered an abuse 00:13:03 because it's easier than actually identifying all the reasons you might want something wielded? 00:13:30 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:14:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:06 -!- eith has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:20:39 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3197-g72301d3 00:21:10 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:23:51 SamB_: we already identify all the reasons i.e. S2S, sublimation, for filtering the inventory display 00:24:04 this didn't use to be the case but i think everything is covered now anyway 00:24:10 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 00:24:35 and some more obscure reasons for wielding (i.e. enchanting ammo) are gone now 00:28:25 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 00:30:27 -!- Thalfon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:31:59 -!- BOOPYPUTT has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:42 -!- zero_one has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:21 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:38:29 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:39:57 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-3198-gb96d9b6: Tag Shoals huts with transparent 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b96d9b6a1bdb 00:46:55 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:02 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:56 -!- Marceluiz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:14 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:18 -!- dcssrubot765 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:45 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:34 -!- Blazinghand_ is now known as Blazinghand 01:33:47 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:28 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 02:00:11 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 02:04:21 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:06:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:04 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:16 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:23:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:25:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:26:13 hmm, what do you think about ds autopicking up things with pbp might, then losing the bonus and becoming burdened as a result 02:27:17 Well, possibly autopickup could respect your unmighted str when making these decisions? 02:30:08 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:35:08 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:35 -!- bh has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:40:21 -!- dcssrubot183 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:03 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41:05 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:59 Should we tag all the jester stuff to make removal easier? 02:48:50 -!- faz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:53 Just squash it all into one giant commit before merging 03:00:59 And name it 'Add formatting fixes.' instead 03:01:49 diff (or is it patch?) has an auto-#ifdefer 03:02:37 or one could revert multiple commits by one 03:02:59 DracoOmega: not sure if it's that easy to fool ##crawl 03:03:20 Oh, probably not, but it might help a little :P 03:03:36 it's mostly them who watch commits as they go, and a single person is enough to announe changes 03:03:42 Yes, yes, I know 03:03:58 It wasn't a SERIOUS attempt to be deceptive. Just a humerous one 03:04:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:04:56 -!- Wahaha is now known as Wahaha_ 03:05:50 Someone should dream up a good commit message 03:06:12 Maybe a fozie bear Joe 03:06:14 Joke 03:06:58 Waka waka 03:07:55 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:52 DracoOmega: that sounds good 03:08:56 wrt might 03:09:30 Perhaps with a slightly different message when it goes to something that WOULD burden you 03:09:50 "If you pick this up, you will become burdened once your might wears off." or something to that effect 03:10:28 I mean, it's a relatively uncommon situation for most characters, but I imagine it comes up for a PbP demonspawn fairly often 03:11:08 DracoOmega: we could remove priests in the same commit ;) 03:11:28 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:54 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 03:13:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:13:59 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 03:14:58 DracoOmega: i was thinking the same thing. with potions its a very rare thing to happen, but im sure its going to be an uncommon occurance with ds 03:15:48 happened to me twice already this game 03:20:19 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24:37 -!- t4nk238 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:32:16 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:28 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:43:22 -!- Kingbuddyboy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:02:45 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 04:05:06 excellent, there are now only 1000 "new" bugs 04:08:26 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:10:27 -!- dcssrubot227 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:30 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:13 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:13:50 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 04:18:23 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 04:23:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25:12 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 04:25:37 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:29:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:30:19 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:48 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47:14 there used to be less than 1000 unresolved bugs at some point :P 04:48:06 stuff just kept piling up, its great that youre cleaning it up :) 04:48:34 i started doing that at some point, but quickly gave up because its so mind numbing 04:58:33 yeah it makes the brain hurt after a while 05:00:03 there were 1250 not long ago when i got given permissions 05:01:42 -!- dcssrubot129 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:08:46 it's totally not insurmountable, i'm just trying to average 10 a day like i volunteered for :) 05:10:13 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:11:58 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:14:01 -!- Sepik121 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:15:02 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:19:19 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:19:59 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:27:03 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:50:15 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:56 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:03:28 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-3199-g373eb26: Allow asterisk to fake ctrl key at wizmode prompt 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=373eb260b4de 06:21:41 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:05 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:29:17 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:30:54 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:31:47 -!- dcssrubot110 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:00 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:35 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:39:50 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:40 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:02:44 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:16:34 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 07:47:32 -!- santiago__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:50:42 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:51:43 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:54:31 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:56:46 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 08:01:52 -!- dcssrubot921 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:31 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:20 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:10:32 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:42 -!- Yllodra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:29:12 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:56 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:37:28 -!- santiago__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:38:19 <|amethyst> mumra: I believe your menu_colours regexp doesn't work on Unix machines 08:38:33 <|amethyst> mumra: because we don't use PCRE on Unix 08:39:52 <|amethyst> mumra: (and the extended regexps we do use don't have any syntax for lookahead or lookbehind) 08:41:17 -!- Mrmini231 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:43:11 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:44:12 -!- Bomanz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:44:32 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:47:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:48:20 -!- santiago__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:51:10 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 08:53:17 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:15 galehar: the AEVP formulas you put on the dev wiki look very good. 08:56:05 <|amethyst> mumra: (just pushed a fix, but it's not ideal) 09:00:22 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-3200-g2ebd401: Actually colour uncursed items green on Unix systems. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ebd40138443 09:00:22 03|amethyst 07* 0.12-a0-3201-gf7fd957: Fix an incorrect section reference in options_guide. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7fd9575e78f 09:00:24 -!- santiago_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:00:41 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:14:15 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:36 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:44 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 09:18:53 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:19:33 dpeg: thanks 09:20:05 however, with no hard breakpoint, it's a bit harder to give feedback to the player. 09:20:36 how to tell if they are too weak or too unskilled to use an armour efficiently? 09:21:02 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: Stay sane inside insanity!] 09:21:16 -!- santiago__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:24:42 galehar: the Brogue way would be: "with Str X+5 [X = current Str], your AC would be ..." 09:25:09 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31:31 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:25 -!- dcssrubot917 has quit [Read error: Connection 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say it is an attempt to keep the myriad food types sensible 10:12:39 I'm concerned that pies (and, for that matter, the different pizza messages) are "not nethack" but certain other food ideas are "too nethack" 10:12:39 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:12:47 actually, concerned is too strong a word 10:12:57 amused? 10:12:59 I dunno 10:15:06 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:10 -!- santiago__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:21:16 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3156-ga40b90e: Add a manual entry for Jesters. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a40b90e12da1 10:34:33 -!- dcssrubot112 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:40:07 is there anyway to wizmode a disarmed enemy that can pick up items? 10:41:18 <|amethyst> blackcustard: you can create a weaponless enemy with &Morc ; nothing 10:41:44 <|amethyst> blackcustard: it will give a bogus announcement about their weapon, because they're announced before the ; part is applied 10:42:07 <|amethyst> blackcustard: they won't pick things up if they can see you, though 10:42:54 <|amethyst> blackcustard: and there's no way to turn on the "uses weapons/armour" flag for monster types that don't already have it 10:43:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:16 ty 10:46:40 replicating 6846 is a pain when you need to make 10 orcs just to find a weaponless one to enslave 10:48:22 -!- nonethousand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:45 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:49 blackcustard: &M orc ; nothing 10:56:03 doh, I'm blind 10:59:26 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:57 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:22 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:14 -!- eeviac has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:03:21 -!- eeviac_ is now known as eeviac 11:07:26 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:08 -!- voker57_ has quit [Changing host] 11:08:12 -!- voker57_ is now known as Voker57 11:11:56 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:45 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:55 -!- aa_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:26:39 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 11:27:01 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3157-g3c80d43: Properly mark pies as not needing launchers. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c80d438a5ad 11:27:01 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3158-g85da7c5: Add missing throwing bits for pies. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85da7c5c4ab8 11:32:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:33:45 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:56 <|amethyst> FR for jester branch: a Zot monster "Klown Kar", an 8 that spawns Klowns 11:34:07 morning 11:34:13 <|amethyst> morning :) 11:34:15 |amethyst: ew! 11:34:47 <|amethyst> evocable item "seltzer bottle" 11:35:10 when should we merge? 11:35:22 |amethyst: sure. It could create shallow water :) 11:35:49 <|amethyst> midnight UTC? 11:36:03 |amethyst: shouldn't it be a few minutes ahead so there's time to build it? 11:36:32 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:36:48 <|amethyst> the build can be a few minutes late, that's probably better than a few minutes early 11:37:02 <|amethyst> autobuilds are several hours after that anyway 11:37:22 have we got a pie tile? 11:38:33 -!- aas has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:41:12 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:12 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3159-g8b6cf31: Fix a throwing bit for pies: they actually do damage according to Missile_prop. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b6cf31d8748 11:45:06 |amethyst: should we make Crazy Yiuf be neutral toward Jesters? :) 11:46:36 are you going to give yiuf a jester cap 11:49:36 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 11:52:21 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3160-gf6a7ff0: Reorder firing type enums a bit; they're not saved in games anyway. 10(9 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6a7ff037863 11:52:21 03SamB 07[randart-jewellery-id] * 0.12-a0-3189-g95ee55b: Having fixed #1083, remove the comments pointing out the problem. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95ee55b0f78a 11:53:39 bh: will pies stay in the game? (I've got nothing against it, just curious.) 11:54:18 dpeg: I hadn't planned on making that decision 11:54:42 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:54:49 If they stay we should increase the scale on the missile frequencies used for item creation so we can make them excessively rare. 11:55:16 ITYM exceedingly 11:55:28 excessively rare would be excessive 11:55:51 fair. 11:56:50 there's a problem with them, though: they do basically nothing 11:57:08 blindness has no effect? 11:57:25 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3161-g652213d: Properly add pies to the firing order, so that quiver-cycling them works. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=652213d5967d 11:57:26 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3202-g15f5a93: Remove long-obsolete MI_MAX_RACIAL. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15f5a93ed611 11:57:43 you get a couple of turns of possible invisistabs if you trained Stabbing and wield an appropriate weapon 11:58:08 and there's a negligible accuracy malus if the monster tries to hit you 11:58:38 also, if they are far away from you and use a ranged weapons, they have a chance to fire at a wrong spot 11:58:57 well, there's a cj spell that gives blindness too 11:58:57 elliott: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:59:01 and it seems to do enough 11:59:17 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:44 as much as i like piestabbing i'd prefer to remove them afterwards 12:01:07 its partially a matter of principle - features should be added to the game for gameplay reasons, and not creep into it from an april fools joke (exceptions can be made for stuff like the fake translations, which require you to edit your config) 12:02:03 i wouldn't be against keeping pies as some kind of sprint-only thing though 12:02:30 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3203-g5196a6c: Remove now-unused MI_MAX_RACIAL reference. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5196a6c88a8f 12:03:34 evilmike: yeah, I agree with all that 12:03:41 evilmike: agreed 12:04:15 The idea of having a nemelex worshipping job isn't half bad though 12:04:17 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:04:34 -!- dcssrubot472 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:00 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-11-g28dacbe 12:05:11 !lg * class=artificer s=god 12:05:12 37063 games for * (class=artificer): 31774x , 2853x Nemelex Xobeh, 486x Okawaru, 281x Makhleb, 240x Fedhas, 218x Ashenzari, 187x Trog, 185x Kikubaaqudgha, 166x Elyvilon, 145x Xom, 103x The Shining One, 96x Cheibriados, 88x Vehumet, 70x Yredelemnul, 66x Sif Muna, 44x Zin, 38x Jiyva, 21x Lugonu, 2x Beogh 12:05:25 bh: I disagree, we specifically tried to remove such things a few versions ago 12:05:32 just give it to them if you want a nemelex start, I'd rather not do that though 12:06:05 backgrounds that start out worshipping a god that doesn't fundamentally change the playstyle are a no-no 12:06:05 I mean to say, artificers would be the clear "nemelex class", but I like them more as a godless class as they are now 12:06:18 artificers aren't even particularly well-suited to nemelex IMO 12:07:02 sure, they start with evo skill, but by the time you get enough decks for that to matter, you could have trained evo high anyway 12:08:07 but the point remains that nemelex is really a generalist god... good on almost any character, gives a variety of generally useful things 12:09:00 not like trog or ely or xom or yred, who actually shape the character 12:09:14 poor zin 12:09:30 evilmike: want to dump priests? 12:09:32 poor beogh :P 12:09:44 oh right, I simply forgot about beogh :P 12:09:52 beogh as a starting god is fine too 12:09:58 zin is meh though 12:09:58 yeah he is fun 12:10:36 -!- faz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:59 zin as a starting god reminds me a lot of tso as a starting god... an ability or two that is a bit useful, but nothing very interesting until much later 12:11:11 I dont understand the point of zin as a starting god though, except that he's cool with you switching to another god early. so he's mostly the free quarterstaff god 12:11:24 evilmike: Gl can start with a qstaff nowadays though 12:11:25 if recite was any good zin could work as a starting god it hink 12:11:30 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:11:32 unfortunately, 12:11:46 elliott: only if you were forced to use it it to gain piety 12:11:50 evilmike: I guess starting Zin simply survived because the others (Makhleb, Yredelemnul, TSO) were worse. 12:11:50 well even if recite were better i don't think zin qualifies in the same way that ely/xom/etc do 12:12:00 if it is an optional ability, it wouldn't really do much 12:12:12 dpeg: starting yred is much better than starting zin 12:12:20 you get an army of zombies from D:1 12:12:29 which fundamentally changes how you approach things 12:12:34 yeah, yred is awesome 12:12:38 worse flavour-wise... "priest" 12:12:46 not a good reason, I concur, though we probably want to keep HOPr 12:12:56 yes definitely 12:13:02 dpeg: we didn't remove Makhleb or TSO because of flavour, unless I am completely misremembering... 12:13:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:11 mainly i didn't remove Zin priest when removing CK^Makh and so on was just because making Pr a single-species background seemed sort of awkward 12:13:13 elliptic: yes 12:13:29 oh right, lugonu is also a starting god 12:13:51 elliptic: true... there was a debate about it and good reasons for both sides 12:14:02 anyway, the less starting gods, the better 12:14:11 lugonu gameplay isn't really that unique, but getting lugonu early is unique 12:14:26 and unlike jiyva, lugonu is actually well designed for early gameplay 12:14:26 lugonu works fine as a starting god, you get banish early, and even before that, theres nothing wrong with starting with blink + good melee 12:15:14 evilmike: those powers aren't very unique... I think if lugonu were a temple god somehow, it wouldn't be a starting god 12:15:27 elliptic: that sounds about right 12:15:46 right, the distinction here isn't (just) about being useful early 12:15:46 thats true, i dont want her to be a temple god though, and i think its good to have a guaranteed option at the same time 12:15:57 and imo thats a good enough reason for AK to exist 12:16:08 evilmike: you don't want Lucy in the temple on thematic grounds, or what? 12:16:13 evilmike: yes, agreed 12:16:15 yeah is a thematic thing 12:16:24 lugonu was banished 12:16:41 we could make a Lucy overflow altar that's just a gateway to the abyss. 12:16:53 lucy can't have overflow altars 12:16:57 because lucy is not a temple god 12:17:08 fake overflow altar. 12:17:34 there's probably already an early vault with an abyss entrance, I think? 12:17:51 I forget how early they come 12:18:05 i think bh means guaranteed early altar 12:18:07 nothing particularly early comes to mind 12:18:19 there are abyss gates that can happen mid dungeon, just like hell gates 12:18:31 but for actual *early* stuff i dont think there's any, unless its very new 12:18:45 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3203-g5196a6c (34) 12:21:28 there's an early vault with a statue and a bunch of demons and a lugonu altar and stuff 12:21:43 good reason to carry around a polearm 12:26:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:26:24 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:26:46 -!- ApsychicRat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27:49 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3235-ga5436d8: Merge branch 'master' into jester 10(6 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5436d8bb79a 12:27:50 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3204-ga1c26c6: Tweak comments. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1c26c626911 12:28:49 I think the current Lugonu situation is good (not a temple god; early use via AK). Also: the background allows you to play the Abyss without spoiler access. 12:29:17 dpeg: what about corrupted Temples? 12:29:29 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:47 well, you can play starting abyss... getting back in abyss after you leave takes a while 12:30:08 -!- ekix_ is now known as ekix 12:30:40 corrupted temple is cool IMO 12:30:55 and not a reliable source of Lucy. 12:31:04 a rare early lugonu altar works fine, since the god actually has good early gameplay 12:31:18 unlike, say, a rare early jiyva altar 12:34:17 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:22 I never said they were reliable 12:36:43 I was just making sure they hadn't been disappeared or something ;-) 12:39:36 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:03 ontoclasm: did you manage to get a worn tile for jester's hat? 12:45:42 my drawing skills are so great I can screw up even that 12:46:14 kilobyte: I thought so? It uses a hood tile? 12:49:12 kilobyte: we have clown1.png 12:49:12 it seemed to have something reasonable when I tried it the other day ... 12:51:28 I can recolor that, but there ends my pixel art abilities 12:52:42 played with kids, back 12:53:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:10 SamB_: corrupted temple is the first incarnation of (hopefully) future Lugonu flavour: where you can corrupt altars of the other gods 12:59:05 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 13:06:01 heh. escape hatch got place on top of one of the items in okawaru arena. it was replaced by lava XD 13:06:05 placed* 13:06:14 i wonder if there's any chance of that happening with stairs 13:06:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:53 hmm, I guess there should be a way to specify that means of escape cannot safely be placed somewhere? 13:08:13 dunno 13:08:34 terrain replacement is weird. i don't think crawl was built to handle it 13:09:26 I do seem to recall there being logic specifically to add escape hatches where they're needed to ensure connectivity after vault placement, though ... 13:13:22 03bh 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3236-gf78afce: Reduce pie nutrition 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f78afce77579 13:13:22 03bh 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3237-gd4e8621: Add a Red/Blue jester cap tile 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4e8621ff7bf 13:13:24 Diff for OS X build by HenryFlower 13:18:26 03SamB 07[randart-jewellery-id] * 0.12-a0-3190-ga3e4dc3: Improve display of "tried" for artefacts (IMO, at least) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3e4dc3090d2 13:19:34 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:13 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:28:34 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3238-gd59509e: Remove unneeded blank line. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d59509ef6349 13:28:34 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3205-g23a585b: Add formatting fix. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23a585b9e9aa 13:31:55 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:32:20 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:33:07 -!- Searry has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:39 03kilobyte 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3239-gaf34adf: Let jesters use their cap tile. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=af34adff637a 13:33:39 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3206-gec2fe79: Newline fixes. 10(4 minutes ago, 4 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec2fe79bd3a2 13:34:09 hi does anyone know why crawl.exe can't create these folders in my appdata/roaming/crawl/morgue 13:34:32 SamB_: you know the windows build, right? 13:34:41 -!- dcssrubot38 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:12 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:38:14 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:38:43 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3207-gb96d59c: One last batch of (mini)vaults before 0.12 gets branched. 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 129+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b96d59c94447 13:38:49 -!- WesterAlt has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:21 Hi, i'm trying to play tiles on cszo and for some reason the text is where the tiles display should be and I can't see anything help 13:41:33 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 13:43:03 are you sure your browser supports webtiles? 13:43:10 ??webtiles 13:43:11 webtiles[1/3]: You can play with tiles online at {cao} (US; http://webtiles.akrasiac.org/), {cdo} (Germany; https://tiles.crawl.develz.org/), {csn} (US; http://crawlus.somatika.net:8080/) and {cszo} (Pennsylvania; https://crawl.s-z.org/). Use Chrome 6+, Firefox 6+ or Safari 5 for easiest access. 13:43:45 I played yesterday no problem and now today it's doing this 13:43:48 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3240-gf012a03: Properly name the blinding missile brand, but still don't display it. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f012a03f0c1b 13:43:48 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3241-g2357846: Simplify setting ego types of Jesters' starting equipment. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23578466cfce 13:44:36 nvm I fixed it 13:44:40 -!- WesterAlt has left ##crawl-dev 13:45:08 sweet. We must be good at this ;) 13:49:59 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:53 alright 13:50:58 the zip version fixed it 13:51:21 looks like the installer doesn't work if you don't install it on c 13:52:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52:00 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:52:06 -!- madSimon has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:53:58 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:18 -!- newbQ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:56:18 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:57:00 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:58:52 Searry: the drive used shouldn't matter, %appdata% is not related to the data files 13:59:12 well i thought of it 13:59:13 what version of Windows are you on? 13:59:20 i am the admin of this computer 13:59:22 7 13:59:28 so it shouldn't even matter 13:59:33 lemme try that on 7 13:59:49 k 14:05:05 kilobyte: installer works for me on non-C drive on Win8 14:05:12 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:39 i think there are a bunch of odd filesystem related issues that crop up randomly on different machines 14:05:58 like DracoOmega has a different issue, and i have another different issue 14:06:04 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:06:18 and i've seen a few things like this in the tracker 14:06:44 yeah, but %appdata% is what Microsoft recommends, and what is specifically meant for this kind of use 14:06:53 ie, the user should have full rights there 14:07:59 yes, i'm not sure why there would be a problem (but i've definitely heard of other cases where installing a program not in program files can have issues) 14:08:11 actually, the cache might be better stored in a non-roaming directory (whatever the variable is), but that's probably nitpicking. The cache is in saves/, and saves themselves obviously should be roaming. 14:09:00 <|amethyst> kilobyte: could something be causing the executable to run without even having the permissions of the user? 14:09:11 yaaaay... the virtual machine found 569469806086 updates to install, when I shut it down to add another drive 14:09:12 <|amethyst> kilobyte: particularly since the user is an administrator here 14:09:25 I don't think so 14:09:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:09:45 at least this directory should have proper permissions 14:10:42 Searry: does the error message show the full path? 14:10:53 it does 14:12:09 does the directory it names exist? 14:12:27 <|amethyst> what is the folder exactly? 14:12:32 well it says it cannot create them 14:12:43 morgue 14:12:49 <|amethyst> I mean, the full path 14:13:26 i actually created the saves folder there 14:13:33 it was complaining about it first 14:13:36 and then the problem persisted 14:13:52 C:/Users/Searry/AppData/Roaming/crawl/morgue 14:14:29 C:\Users\Searry\AppData\Roaming\crawl 14:14:33 this it created fine 14:14:37 so it's pretty weird 14:14:53 <|amethyst> hm 14:15:09 <|amethyst> did the installer maybe create the crawl folder with admin privileges? 14:15:24 <|amethyst> I mean, such that only admin can write it 14:15:33 hmm looks like the folder is read only 14:15:34 |amethyst: it doesn't create anything under %appdata% 14:15:35 really weird 14:18:09 hmmm, does the console use / rather than \ 14:18:21 kilobyte: I'm trying to cargo-cult your jester tiles patch, but I'm getting it wrong http://pastebin.com/KyiEXHWc 14:18:22 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-3207-gb96d59c (34) 14:18:35 I've added a tile named 'robe_jester.png' 14:19:39 <|amethyst> Searry: crawl is built using a Unix-like toolchain, so I wouldn't be surprised if it uses forward slash everywhere 14:20:08 alright 14:20:31 i'm not a computer wizard but i know something so i was thinking it could be a syntax error 14:20:40 highly unlikely though 14:22:34 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:22:44 -!- scummos^ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:57 okay. pretty sure i understand 6846. if a monster grabs one of the items in the okaware_arena_lexackson then the monster gets dropped into the lava by a lua event, which results in its being destroyed in the middle of its own pickup method. if you are close enough to see it crawl tries to make a message and trips over the invalid data. otherwise it goes unnoticed 14:24:03 bh: it's possible these tiles get prefixed by "body_" 14:24:09 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:24:30 also, okawaru_arena_lexackson is super lazy. it doesn't check which loot pile you are on, it checks which one you AREN'T on. if you aren't on either, it destroys both. XD 14:25:29 how do i fix this? the monster is basically nuking itself inside its own method. that's obviously not good 14:27:00 <|amethyst> blackcustard: quick fix: make the items no_pickup 14:27:27 |amethyst: thanks for fix btw, i really need to get a vm set up so i can tet unix 14:27:27 <|amethyst> blackcustard: more generally... I'm not sure 14:27:38 <|amethyst> mumra: you want an account on CSZO :) 14:27:54 <|amethyst> mumra: err, there was supposed to be a question mark... or was there? 14:28:09 <|amethyst> blackcustard: you don't want to have to check for monster death in the middle of every single function 14:28:17 |amethyst: you mean a unix account ? 14:28:21 |amethyst: aye. 14:28:35 <|amethyst> blackcustard: but on the other hand, you don't necessarily want to delay all the lua stuff until the monster's turn is over 14:28:39 <|amethyst> mumra: yeah 14:28:52 |amethyst: yeah. exactly. 14:29:38 -!- gluop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:39 there's really no telling what can happen when you fire an event. i guess it's on the LUA code to not break things 14:29:42 hmm, could be useful, i used to have one on a friend's server years ago, but these days i only have access to a bunch of windows servers 14:29:44 how about the fix of removing gimmicky vaults like this one that cause a lot of issues? 14:29:58 elliptic: +1 14:30:18 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30:25 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:34 bh: what about he windows build ? 14:30:45 iirc there are a couple of issues on mantis for other vaults that might be handled similarly 14:30:47 SamB_: ^ look up 14:31:47 <|amethyst> mumra: can you get me a pubkey? 14:32:35 Grunt: in okawaru_arena_lexackson if a monster picks up one of the items it is killed partway through the execution of its pickup() method. this results in crashes. the quickfix is to make the items no pickup 14:32:39 |amethyst: does my git key work or is that different? 14:32:39 oh, I haven't really run into any permissions issues except at build-time, and that was because of a bug in XP's MSVCRT that I assume would have been fixed for Vista and on ... 14:33:09 blackcustard: known bug :b 14:33:25 Grunt: yeah. 6846. i was just asking because your name is attached to the vault 14:33:33 thought you might want to weigh in or something 14:33:33 I'm not lexackson. 14:33:39 <|amethyst> mumra: whatever you're using with putty 14:33:45 well, no, but i don't know who he is 14:33:46 w.e. 14:34:24 03bh 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3242-g006e782: A Jester Robe 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=006e782bcba2 14:34:24 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3243-gedfb43a: Add formatting fix. 10(72 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=edfb43a93545 14:34:24 03kilobyte 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3244-gb95c67d: Newline fixes. 10(65 minutes ago, 4 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b95c67d0be0e 14:34:24 03Grunt 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3245-g5cec918: One last batch of (mini)vaults before 0.12 gets branched. 10(65 minutes ago, 2 files, 129+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cec9182c5c6 14:34:24 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3246-g7d69002: Add NUM_REAL_SPECIAL #ifdefs for armor and missile brands. 10(42 minutes ago, 4 files, 11+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d69002ac65e 14:34:24 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3247-ge7d6225: Add missing default case for edible missiles. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7d62258f129 14:34:24 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-3208-g0da90d7: Clarify OS X build instructions (HenryFlower) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0da90d7a3968 14:34:26 <|amethyst> mumra: you might need to have putty-keygen convert the private key's format to actually use it with putty, but if you do the current pubkey should work for cszo fine 14:34:47 <|amethyst> mumra: I mean, I guess I can set you a password and let you do the key stuff yourself 14:39:29 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3248-g5ea5e50: Fix indentation. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ea5e50ef991 14:39:30 -!- Searry has left ##crawl-dev 14:39:37 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:24 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 14:44:56 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 14:45:55 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:46:54 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:44 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:49:37 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3254-ge0babb4: Merge branch 'master' into jester 10(4 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0babb4e70dc 14:49:37 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3209-g90c20e8: Add NUM_REAL_SPECIAL #ifdefs for armor and missile brands. 10(6 minutes ago, 4 files, 11+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90c20e8f1ae7 14:49:48 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:04:49 -!- dcssrubot363 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:11 -!- floatboth has quit [Quit: floatboth] 15:10:24 um ... i'm trying to write like the world's simplest patch but ... this should work right? "KITEM: Ll = acquire armour no_pickup / acquire weapon no_pickup"? "Bad item class: 'armour no_pickup'" 15:11:02 Try "no_pickup acquire armour"? 15:13:09 no order seems to work 15:14:36 * Grunt investigates. 15:14:56 Apparently "acquire" handling happens before any other tags are considered. 15:14:56 um. I think there might be something wrong with pie spawning 15:15:00 "You see here 7 pies." 15:15:30 given that they have 1500 or so nutrition this is going to break the food game 15:15:54 Grunt: maybe fallback to elliptic's solution: delete the gimmicky vault 15:15:55 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:09 that would be a shame. i think it's a cool vault 15:16:21 does it work if you use "any armour"? 15:16:32 i forget if that's the correct syntax 15:16:40 would be nice to do away with the lava though; if lua could somehow just remove the item itself 15:16:54 less cool, but more practical 15:18:12 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:37 no_pickup armour level:-3 15:18:45 s/armour/any armour/ 15:18:50 a vault that uses lua at runtime is not a cool vault 15:18:57 (the latter bit makes it superb_item quality) 15:19:05 I mean, triggered effects of any kind 15:19:43 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:20:06 it's possible to design triggered stuff that works right, but at the moment, most of "quests" feel iffy, and cause problems 15:20:47 aren't fog machines technically a triggered effect? :P 15:20:54 "no_pickup any armour level:-3" does seem to work 15:21:06 I'll change it to that. 15:21:20 maybe add a comment to explain some of it 15:21:46 i think if a vault is going to have triggered stuff it should keep it simple. slime:6 sets a good example - kill boss -> thing happens 15:22:15 bh: can i just check, are they _egg_ custard pies? it is easter after all 15:22:41 kilobyte: what about timed portals, don't those use lua at runtime? 15:22:58 do they work right? 15:23:03 mumra: there's non-egg custard? 15:23:19 or that ashenzari visionary vault 15:23:25 their lua is mostly for entering the portal, and that's in a dire need of rewrite 15:23:37 mumra: you could prevent Herbivore:3's from eating them because they contain eggs :) 15:23:38 -!- scummos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:03 bh: yes herbivore 3 should be vegan (that would also restrict cheese/pizza) 15:24:21 mumra: maybe spriggans just pull the cheese off. 15:24:31 timed portals, as present, encourage a degenerate mode of play where you always have only one not fully explored level at once 15:24:38 bh: doesn't that lose out on the sauce too? 15:24:39 most vegans i know are way more fussy than that! 15:24:48 or risk wasting portal vaults 15:24:48 kilobyte: true 15:25:08 okay, so I'll give up on those as a good example and stick with the ash vault 15:25:14 bh: they would probably even count "ambrosia" as an animal product 15:25:56 mumra: "milk of gods" 15:26:15 so, are gods animals? 15:26:37 there are tons of vaults which use lua at runtime with no bad effects, I think people don't notice them because they don't break in spectacular ways 15:27:00 simple stuff, like turning a statue into an iron golem, playing a message, some wizlab effects, etc etc 15:27:07 * SamB_ rather likes that whole "See what I see, mortal!" shtick 15:27:08 gods frequently manifest as animals, that would be close enough to put most vegans off i reckon 15:27:13 SamB_: you're welcome :) 15:27:39 evilmike: also, volcano portal 15:27:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:57 and all lua traps 15:28:07 volcano cloud generators kind of work, that one volcano that collapses not really 15:28:10 evilmike: right, simple stuff is good... stuff that tries to be clever just tends to break a lot though 15:28:15 the last volcano i watched caused lua error spam :P 15:28:21 MarvinPA: poor 78291. 15:30:05 03dolorous 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3255-g4a3762b: Reduce pie generation chances on the dungeon floor. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a3762b5ca55 15:30:06 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3210-g24f3786: Prevent allies from picking up prizes in okawaru_arena (#6846). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24f3786e8114 15:33:17 Grunt: i think you pushed the vaults to the wrong branch? 15:33:25 alefury: huh? 15:33:35 or was that just part of the merge? 15:33:47 alefury: someone else merged them over there :b 15:33:49 that was master being merged into jester 15:34:00 Grunt: cherry picked them, you mean? 15:34:17 or, wait, Chei is an idiot 15:34:30 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:09 <|amethyst> looks like dolorous had to resolve conflicts 15:36:23 <|amethyst> or something, that commit has dolorous as the committer, not grunt 15:36:32 <|amethyst> so Chei didn't know it was the "same" commit 15:39:18 so ... I would really appreciate some eyes on my randart-jewellery-id branch with an eye towards including it in 0.12 ... 15:39:25 |amethyst: so, it was cherry picked 15:39:44 so I guess Chei is off the hook *this* time 15:40:21 <|amethyst> SamB_: it looks like those last few commits were cherry-picked in, then the branch was merged, yes 15:40:51 <|amethyst> cherry-picked or (reverse) rebased 15:43:30 you know how randart amulets of faith don't auto-ID properly? 15:44:05 <|amethyst> yeah? 15:44:39 <|amethyst> I haven't taken a look at your branch yet, sorry 15:44:43 well, I fixed it but I'm a little worried I might have broken something else ... 15:44:53 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:59 <|amethyst> oh? 15:45:53 <|amethyst> hm, gtg 15:46:21 <|amethyst> I probably won't be around for the festivities... ??rebuild is there as usual 15:46:44 <|amethyst> (re april 1 I mean, not artefact jewellery ID) 15:46:51 obviously ;-) 15:47:09 whoa. I just got an incredibly cool splash screen. It appears to be some skulls and worms bursting out of a green insect 15:49:44 it's some kind of Kiku representation 15:49:52 should we set preferred races to jesters or leave it as non-good for every race? 15:50:20 03bh 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3256-g92e5746: Put on a jester costume! 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92e5746e5040 15:50:44 the one thing that comes to mind is that I might want to do something at load time so that artefact jewellery with ISFLAG_KNOW_PROPERTIES set gets ISFLAG_KNOW_TYPE set, too 15:53:29 and then I wonder if I might have screwed anything up 15:53:59 anyone know where the code to load deserialize an item_def is? 15:54:52 ah, I found it 15:56:11 -!- slartie has quit [Quit: SQUIRREL!] 15:57:46 DracoOmega's "end of month", and the joke season for April Fools both come in the GMT time zone, right? 15:57:56 no, UTC ;-P 15:58:42 jester should be recommended for all races imo 15:59:07 I suppose that's a good idea for the big day 15:59:36 and it's totally too late now but the hat should have had bells on that make noise everywhere you go :) 15:59:44 ??apt evo 15:59:44 I don't have a page labeled apt_evo in my learndb. 15:59:51 !apt evo 15:59:52 one day I'll learn bot commands. 15:59:52 Evo: Sp: 4!, DD: 4!, Ko: 3, Ha: 2, Op: 2, DE: 2, Dr[purple]: 2, Dr[pale]: 2, Fe: 2, HO: 1, HE: 1, Mf: 1, Ds: 1, Te: 1, SE: 1, Dr: 1, Hu: 1, Na: 1, Vp: 0, Mi: 0, Dg: 0, Ce: 0, Gh: 0, Mu: -1, Og: -1, Tr: -2* 15:59:59 ?? is for learndb 16:00:00 I don't have a page labeled is_for_learndb in my learndb. 16:00:11 ... I was afraid that would happen 16:00:12 Trolls would probably be very bad 16:00:14 !apt sta 16:00:14 Could not understand "sta" 16:00:17 !apt stv 16:00:17 Could not understand "stv" 16:00:23 ??apt 16:00:23 aptitude[1/4]: A number from -5 to 5 reflecting your character's ability with a specific skill; higher is better. An aptitude of n means the race takes 2^(-n/4) times as much exp to advance as a human. Press ?% in game to see the big table of races and aptitudes. An aptitude of -1 or better is good, -2 is manageable even as your main skill, -3 is quite bad. 16:00:31 !apt Tr 16:00:31 Tr: Fighting: -2*, Short: -2, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -1, Polearms: -2, Staves: -2, Slings: -4*, Bows: -4*, Xbows: -4*, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -4*, Stab: -2, Shields: -2, Traps: -4*, UC: 0, Splcast: -5*, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -2, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -3, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -4*, Earth: -1, Poison: -3*, Inv: -1*, Evo: -2*, Exp: -1, HP: 3!, MP: ... 16:00:37 mumra: or the staff 16:00:47 wait, why'd it cut off ? 16:00:59 three hours to go, 16:01:24 mumra: I can make a new staff tile 16:01:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:01:40 there's still time to draw a bell in tiles, make itemname prefix "jester's", and the melee code to add some noise sometimes 16:01:50 * bh races to finish his other April Fools' project 16:01:51 the question is, would that make sense? 16:01:55 I doubt this 16:01:58 kilobyte: it isn't worth doing 16:02:04 yeah 16:02:04 I think skip the melee code 16:02:28 I got distracted from my kernel patch for runifying "stty olcuc" :( 16:02:32 sounds like a compat mess 16:03:08 -!- aleksiL has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:10 yep. 16:03:48 SamB_: I have an idea to fix !apt from cutting stuff off 16:04:08 SamB_: let's have no Stabbing skill in 0.13-a0-1 16:04:36 that sounds a bit early 16:05:24 merging jesters will bump the commit number by quite a few, cutting the skill is a single commit, so that's doable :p 16:06:09 should we animate the jester tiles? 16:06:12 we could make the cap bounce 16:07:17 but you've had no testing 16:07:47 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:07:51 <|amethyst> if (you.species = SP_FELID) 16:08:35 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:09:41 it occurs to me that it's already april 1st in australia 16:09:56 SamB_: 0.13-a0-1, not 0.12-something 16:09:57 linley will be disappointed 16:10:23 or, like, you think it'll take just one commit really? 16:10:36 coding as we speak 16:10:48 and what if I merge first 16:11:38 somehow the commit number isn't that vital 16:11:47 hehehe 16:13:50 SamB_: brief testing on the randart branch, d - the amulet of Selaipt {Spirit +Blink Dam+1 SInv} only identified the Spirit when i put it on 16:14:21 +blink should show up too 16:14:24 huh 16:14:51 I guess +Blink is an ARTP? 16:14:55 yeah 16:15:01 I didn't touch that part 16:15:34 -!- Killerpretzel has quit [] 16:15:38 there ought to be a way to create a randart with non-random data for test purposes ... 16:16:08 yeah i've just been repeating &+, sort of an awkward method :P 16:17:54 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 16:17:54 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:30 I've been using &% with e.g. "amulet of faith randart", but it would be better if you could copy/paste randarts to share them ... 16:19:41 anyway, that doesn't sound like a thing I just broke, but merely something else for me to fix ... 16:19:55 yeah, entirely likely that it's always been that way 16:20:03 should be easy to fix though i think 16:20:41 03bh 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3257-g8b295f2: Add a jester staff tile 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b295f210b88 16:22:36 i can push the fix for this straight to master i guess, unless you're doing it already? 16:22:45 that's fine 16:23:56 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:25:11 at this rate I'm going to be a tiles artist before midnight ;) 16:25:19 i'm not entirely sure i fully understand the related id code but as far as i can tell the rest of this works, for guardian spirit etc 16:25:24 will mess with it a bit more and see if i can break it 16:25:45 03Translators 07* 0.12-a0-3211-g727451f: [Transifex] Sync. 10(23 minutes ago, 8 files, 1741+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=727451ff3d9d 16:25:47 Message showed up when descending to orc:3. by wwf 16:26:41 and speaking of lua errors :P 16:26:47 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:26:47 I'm already fixing that one :b 16:26:47 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:26:51 heh 16:27:45 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:30:50 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-3212-g326253f: Don't let the Orc serial ending vaults place outside the ending (#6848). 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=326253f3c151 16:30:50 03SamB 07[randart-jewellery-id] * 0.12-a0-3191-gc70f60e: Document current/proper usage of wear_id_type(). 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c70f60e05f35 16:30:50 03SamB 07[randart-jewellery-id] * 0.12-a0-3192-gfe23766: Migrate old saves to the post-#1083 world. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe23766a7941 16:34:52 -!- dcssrubot114 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:26 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:27 Grunt: would it be bad to place an Orc end vault on O:3 and make it accessible by upstairs? 16:35:54 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-3213-g7938f4a: Fix +Blink randart property not being identified on equip 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7938f4afc1f8 16:36:03 bh: Yes. 16:36:30 riding a hatch down from 2 and endind up in a branch end vault unexpectedly sounds awful. though i guess you could argue you were asking for it doing that in orc 16:37:02 blackcustard: or getting shafted. 16:37:55 the few (one?) normal vault we have that's accessible from below is cool though 16:38:25 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:18 that weird quarterstaff store cupboard, i think an entry vault too (maybe that got removed though, it was sort of silly) 16:39:22 plus the temple obviously 16:48:48 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:48:53 branch ending vaults belong on branch endings 16:49:20 i have nothing against vaults which are only accessible by stair, but that idea for orc sounds bad 16:50:32 a nasty one I can think of with an upstair is that X-shaped one, I think it has skeletal warriors, and its made in a way that its hard to teleport into 16:50:44 i meant downstair 16:50:48 MarvinPA: that entry vault is still around 16:50:55 and it can still completely kill you 16:51:26 !lg wittgenchein D:1 16:51:26 2. wittgenchein the Slasher (L3 MiFi), slain by a gnoll (a +0,+0 spear) on D:1 (dpeg_entry_central) on 2013-02-25 13:02:37, with 190 points after 1759 turns and 0:04:02. 16:51:57 ^ went up, saw gnolls (some with halberds), had no consumables since it had just go to D:2 and was stair-dipping upwards (I didn't know about that entry vault at the time), presed >, died to polearm reaching... 16:52:30 (maybe the vault predates polearm reaching?) 16:52:59 probably the best thing to do if you get the vault is just to exclude all the other upstairs on D:2 16:54:06 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:54:44 fairly sure it predates all-polearms-have-reaching 16:55:27 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:30 UTC is at 10:55. Who wants to merge jester? 16:55:53 you dont need permission :P 16:56:27 evilmike: I wasn't asking permission. I don't want a logjam :) 16:56:40 heh 16:58:49 that entry vault definitely should be removed 17:02:18 -!- mumra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:53 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:20 doh. I just spent a long time trying to debug a time zone issue (unrelated to crawl), before realizing that my server is set to UTC 17:05:40 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:05 bh: did 0.12 get branched, then? 17:06:29 -!- mumra_ is now known as mumra 17:07:27 SamB_: not yet 17:07:54 Grunt: you said you know how to do it? 17:08:50 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:48 -!- home has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:21 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-3214-ga295f78: Fix formatting of some russian and german tutorial entries. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 79+ 153-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a295f787a041 17:17:36 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:45 I do know how to do it. 17:18:27 oh. we're branching 0.12 today? 17:18:46 I'm guessing the jester merge should happen after that? 17:19:49 I should probably confirm with someone before actually doing that :| 17:21:17 well its been talked about a lot, yes? and there's been no major opposition to it either as far as I know? 17:21:29 oh, I missed this line 17:21:32 18<27Grunt> I do know how to do it. 17:23:34 Grunt: do it! 17:25:23 One thing which I will need to fully get this done is someone to get something 0.13-specific to land, so that I can tag the 0.13 start as well. 17:25:44 It's not urgent though :) 17:25:45 I have something 17:26:08 It's not necessarily specific, though 17:26:10 galehar: ping, since you seem to have committed something a few minutes ago :b 17:27:53 but I suspect something else will get cherry-picked to 0.12 before I'm quite confident to merge my jewellery stuff 17:30:18 * Grunt shrugs. 17:30:54 kilobyte had "stab stabbing" thing he was working on, too 17:31:16 -!- dcssrubot608 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:17 Grunt: or, we could use the jester merge as the tag point I guess? 17:31:38 heh. 17:32:19 is there a reason why the game doesn't just tell you what level the player ghost is 17:32:23 'mighty' is so vague 17:32:31 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 17:32:37 you mean how many HD it has? 17:32:45 oh yeah 17:32:50 player ghost 'was' 17:32:55 or do they actually have levels 17:34:11 why are merfolk -2 with staves? 17:34:14 ??staves 17:34:15 staves[1/2]: Okay damage, good accuracy; quarterstaves are the best early weapons. But they are early weapons - if you want to win, you'll need to find a lajatang, and they are quite rare. For magical staves, see {staff}. Non-magic staves have base damage halved with shields. 17:34:21 ??staves[2] 17:34:21 staves[2/2]: [hands] (Dam,Acc,Delay): Staff[Dbl] (5,5,12) Quarterstaff[Dbl] (10,3,13); Lajatang[Dbl] (16,-3,14) 17:36:08 next question: enemy orcs use rings, but beogh orcs don't? 17:36:16 not that I really want to manage orc jewelry 17:36:26 do they drop rings on conversion? 17:36:35 New branch created: stone_soup-0.12 (0 commits) 17:36:37 but when I have this spare rF++ rC+ ring that my wwarlord could be using 17:36:43 not sure 17:37:04 hmm, it's possible they actually have an xl ... 17:37:25 ...if you have a misc 0.13 commit, now is the time!!! 17:37:40 eeviac: ctrl+t? 17:37:49 I could never figure out how to get allies to reliably pick stuff up 17:37:49 doesn't work 17:37:50 SamB_: the game gives you a rough indicator of a ghost's xl 17:37:52 allies don't pick up jewellery 17:37:53 Grunt: so now would be a good time to merge my branch? 17:38:00 SamB_: sure! 17:38:09 evilmike: Ctrl+T settings reset every level, I think it is a bug or something 17:38:09 there are some items which they can use which they just refuse to pick up, rods are one example, I guess jewellery is another 17:38:12 SamB_: before you push the branch, 17:38:12 probably on mantis 17:38:16 that might be it? 17:38:19 I'll merge Jesters. Just say when. 17:38:25 it's not just that, the AI refuses to grab some items regardless 17:38:28 playing this hopr, I actually like the reset 17:38:35 SamB_: tag the very first commit after the one as 0.13-a0. 17:38:41 ages ago I came up with a convoluted technique to get ally orcs to use rods, which can be "quite powerful" 17:38:43 s/the one/the most recent one/ 17:38:43 it's intentional, yeah 17:38:50 you can set the default in your config 17:38:54 too late, stabbing is gone 17:38:56 giftdropping? 17:38:57 (but it's definitely weird) 17:38:59 and it's probly a good thing that the player can't manage jewelry 17:39:00 kilobyte: oh, okay :) 17:39:09 BUT when enemy orcs do it and you can't... 17:39:10 Do we have a tag yet, or am I going to do that? 17:39:11 :| 17:39:13 and I'd prefer to be no ambiguous 0.12-b* commits 17:39:14 elliott: well not in the doomrl sense, but yeah you get them to pick up a rod offscreen and then convert them 17:39:18 right 17:39:20 -!- Wehk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:39:27 evilmike: I wish orc allies preferentially picked up crossbows and polearms. 17:39:28 so I'll tag the first of the pair of commits I just pushed 17:39:37 Okay, go ahead. 17:41:39 03bh 07[jester] * 0.12-a0-3258-gcdf6b1f: Weaken Jester restrictions 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdf6b1f54f9f 17:41:39 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-b1-1-g7ae9421: The Stabbing skill went to a dark alley, and, you know... 10(66 minutes ago, 18 files, 121+ 29-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ae94216669e 17:41:39 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-b1-2-g338d957: Reduce everyone's Stealth and Short Blades aptitudes by 1. 10(59 minutes ago, 1 file, 64+ 64-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=338d957016b8 17:42:18 bh: jester time! 17:43:04 -!- Wehk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:30 dont forget to switch the servers (and trunk download page and building) over to 0.12-b1 17:44:12 I'll need to bother someone else to do those. <_< 17:44:14 kilobyte: gosh. I haven't merged since inception 17:44:39 should I rebase it against master and then push? 17:44:53 servers apart from cdo usually have normal trunk alongside the prerelease, don't they? 17:45:05 you can also merge master into jester and then merge jester into master i think 17:45:06 yes 17:45:09 elliott: |amethyst has done that; I don't know what rax does. 17:45:19 they usually don't 17:45:28 alefury: less merge commits is good 17:45:44 except for 0.11 when some server or other did i think 17:45:44 isnt rebasing bad for public branches? 17:45:49 alefury: the trouble with that is that you might end up with a fast-forward for that second one and then things get wierd-looking 17:45:58 alefury: yes, but we can just merge into master 17:45:59 alefury: I'll never push my rebased jester branch though 17:46:08 ahhhhh 17:46:09 back in a few 17:46:13 bh: don't rebase ... 17:46:18 that'd be wierd 17:46:26 bh: will you merge it in, or should we? 17:46:44 03kilobyte 07[stone_soup-0.12] * 0.12-b1-1-gf5ec898: Allow manuals of Unarmed Combat to generate. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5ec8982f2ef 17:46:45 only 1h 14m to go, including rebuilds :p 17:46:55 and CAO does builds -j1 so it takes ages 17:47:22 so jester is only going to be around for 1.4.? 17:47:42 (I should have annotated this commit that it's already in trunk, as a part of stabbing changes) 17:48:57 its kind of sad that stabbing is gone before traps 17:49:35 hmm, naga had their stealth secretly nerfed since theres no such thing as +6, did they happen to keep +5 stealth still or 17:49:37 no 17:49:41 so remind me what pies are for now? 17:49:54 i think its a joke? 17:50:00 simmarine: they kept +5 17:50:01 simmarine: yeah 17:50:03 cool 17:50:28 or is stabbing still a thing, just not a skill? 17:50:45 its a thing 17:50:50 also, its still the same in 0.12 17:50:59 yes, but there are no pies in 0.12 17:51:24 oh, i thought jesters were going into 0.12, so you wouldnt have to deal with all the leftover code in 0.13 17:51:49 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3188-g4bb9ef0: Try to fix auto-ID of randart jewellery. 10(20 hours ago, 3 files, 8+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bb9ef030d51 17:51:49 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3189-g95ee55b: Having fixed #1083, remove the comments pointing out the problem. 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95ee55b0f78a 17:51:49 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3190-ga3e4dc3: Improve display of "tried" for artefacts (IMO, at least) 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3e4dc3090d2 17:51:49 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3191-gc70f60e: Document current/proper usage of wear_id_type(). 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c70f60e05f35 17:51:49 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-3192-gfe23766: Migrate old saves to the post-#1083 world. 10(86 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe23766a7941 17:51:49 03SamB 07* 0.13-a0-7-g2d7c8fe: Merge branch 'randart-jewellery-id' to zap #1083 10(5 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d7c8fe36e01 17:51:59 save compat would be broken 17:52:05 ...why are those showing up as 0.12-a0. 17:52:21 did someone forget to push the tag? 17:52:23 Oh. 17:52:23 kilobyte: could you? 17:52:32 It's because it's a branch <_< 17:52:52 anyway, at least they didn't show up as 0.12-b 17:53:18 or whatever 17:54:36 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:56:54 03kilobyte 07* 0.13-a0-8-g6851dc8: Make Coc/Tar/Geh/Dis monster spawn mostly work. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 86+ 87-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6851dc88c78e 17:56:56 stabbing is basically now the "weapon move" for short blades, with the skill gone 17:57:07 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:57:33 so the skill is Short Blades, and no more clubstabbing. Makes sense. 17:57:34 it works with other weapons too, by the looks of it? 17:57:40 oh? 17:57:40 average of weapon skill and stealth 17:57:44 ah 17:57:57 which I guess means you get half-free stabs with any weapon now, not that it'll do much except maybe for lbl 17:58:44 oh, thats weird if short blades skill can give you stabs with other weapons 17:59:02 no it's that weapon skill that gives it 17:59:12 for any weapon it uses the average of the wpn skill and stealth, it seems 17:59:49 ah, i see 17:59:53 thats not how I expected it would work 18:00:07 sounds like someone has actually been reading the code, and it was neither me nor evilmike 18:00:18 :P 18:00:20 actually I just read the commit message, you slackers :P 18:00:25 hehe 18:00:53 well, just making it sbl isn't that easy, since it is a felid nerf unless you make UC do the same thing for felids 18:01:59 I thought stabbing on felids was pretty bad because claws aren't stabby 18:02:32 they get long-blade level stabs 18:02:43 which are probably still bad 18:03:55 s/probably// 18:03:57 but the ideas mooted for making stabbing better for felids are irrelevant if there's no more stabbing 18:04:08 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:17 phyphor: but there is, just not a skill 18:04:55 Well, as I understood it, the last time this was discussed the plan was to just remove stabbing for non-shortblade non-felid UC weapons, and make it purely based on weapon skill at half the rate of current stabbing skill, leaving stealth out of it altogether (and with no apt nerf in the process) 18:04:55 DracoOmega: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:05:24 Since more than a few characters train short blades for a while without really stabbing 18:06:10 Removing stabbing does mean hyperbolic's SpEn guide will finally have to be updated :) 18:06:11 I think that solution would be reasonable 18:09:42 DracoOmega: there were different discussions, with different consensuses :p 18:10:31 Well, this one definitely happened after the (stealth+weapon/2) one, since I recall it being discussed in comparison 18:10:46 but as I remarked in the commit message, the formula I used is not set in stone 18:10:47 I don't remember exactly when 18:11:30 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:41 kilobyte: Stabbing's just gone? 18:11:46 just the skill 18:11:55 yes, that's what I meant 18:12:05 time for traps 18:12:33 dpeg: have you read the full commit message? 18:12:54 hehe, now that we're running out of species and spells to cull, we take it to skills :) 18:13:06 alefury: about the dark alley? 18:13:24 about effective stabbing = (weapon skill + stealth)/2 18:13:36 kilobyte: what has taken the role of Stabbing when stabbing these days? Dex? 18:14:01 dpeg: you obviously didn't read the commit message ... 18:14:20 heh, like so many others 18:14:26 sorry... ah, it is in the mail below the other one, reading now 18:14:49 kilobyte: sounds great! 18:15:12 * SamB_ used git log to read it ... 18:19:20 galehar: thanks for fixing my links! 18:21:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:22:18 kilobyte: are you going to do the merge? I always get antsy about this and there seem to be a number of things in flight 18:23:33 so the protocol now is push things to trunk and then we cherry-pick them to .12 if necessary, right? 18:23:45 mumra: Yes. 18:23:56 cool 18:23:58 Try to keep the amount of cherry-picking to a minimum; it's supposed to be bugfixes. 18:24:13 -!- Svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:24:23 yes, of course 18:27:14 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-9-g488145e: #2263 Allow Kirke hogs to revert form across levels 10(7 minutes ago, 5 files, 104+ 85-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=488145ed369b 18:29:34 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:18 that and the next commit are bugfixes but not incredibly serious ones 18:39:39 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:40:18 let us give the pumpkin unto bh, so that he may merge 18:40:38 mumra: they would probably be good to put into 0.12 then 18:40:58 who did we appoint for Lord High Cherrypicker? 18:41:07 someone tall? 18:41:29 I think he's allowed to use a ladder or something 18:41:30 usually people do it themselves, or kilobyte does it when he remembers that maintaining stable versions is a nice thing to do :) 18:41:36 ok. Merged. I'm building 18:42:01 one I confirm that the universe works I'll push 18:42:24 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-10-gf2a3691: #5710 Properly place a blink frog band with Prince Ribbit 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2a36915bf93 18:42:42 holy shit, the guy has a band? 18:42:46 thats horrible 18:42:53 what do they play? 18:42:54 alefury: he spawns with a band in Lair 18:42:56 Prince Ribbit (11F) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Dam: 20 | amphibious, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 302 | Sp: blink; teleport self | Sz: small | Int: normal. 18:42:56 %??prince ribbit 18:43:00 blink frog (09F) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Dam: 2006(blink self) | amphibious, cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 265 | Sp: blink | Sz: small | Int: insect. 18:43:00 %??blink frog 18:43:03 but the way it was implemented the band would sometimes overwrite him 18:43:15 ah, okay, so he doesnt get a band in D? 18:43:18 no 18:43:27 that is good 18:43:30 only the lair vault (unique_ribbit2) 18:43:32 good, because I bet their music is terrible anyway 18:43:40 -.- 18:43:46 i hear they use a lot of phase pedals 18:43:50 SamB_: their career is a croak 18:45:46 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:56 -!- bh has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:45:58 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 18:47:41 Well, that was really wierd. I noticed that tornado seemed borked in trunk, since it wasn't being properly blocked by narrow spaces, but rather flooding corridors and even extending beyond them. So I bisected with a known good commit, and after all that work, never found a single bad commit, and now the original commit I was at functions perfectly 18:48:35 DracoOmega: stupid build system :-( 18:50:31 grumble. 18:50:42 I wonder how a build error could cause something like that, though 18:50:52 Since the spell functioned fine, except that the wind map was really generous 18:51:13 It's not like it was ignoring walls or anything. It was just flowing out past and around them 18:51:44 cosmic bit flips? :P 18:52:06 oh, yeah, that is actually possible 18:52:25 next step: find out whether DracoOmega's RAM has ECC. 18:53:02 I doubt it 18:53:23 That's pretty rare in regular consumer grade stuff, no? 18:53:42 that is, there could just have been something wrong with his binaries for whatever reason ... 18:53:51 your motherboard needs to support it too 18:53:58 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:00 if you're going to push stuff to master, please hold off for a few minutes. I'm trying to merge in jester 18:54:01 Well, I am now reminded of that time that both elliptic and kilobyte suddenly got LOS_RADIUS 0 for no reason 18:54:11 Which magically went away later 18:54:13 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:14 that one smells like a build system issue to me 18:54:20 DracoOmega: cosmic rays 18:54:21 old .o files lying around and not getting updated or such 18:54:27 This might also have been the fault of a magical constant somewhere 18:54:28 Maybe? 18:54:40 I don't really understand how the wind map works in the first place, at a low level 18:54:42 !time 18:54:43 I was just borrowing it :P 18:54:43 Time: Mar 31, 2013, 11:54:43 PM, UTC. 18:55:00 (And then I noticed it wasn't working properly at all) 18:55:04 time is running out 18:56:04 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 18:56:42 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:57:05 ugh. My merge keeps getting rejected as fast-forward 18:57:21 huh? 18:57:26 as non-fast-forward? 18:57:35 er, that. 18:57:49 I guess someone didn't get the pumpkin memo in time? 18:57:49 I check out master, reset it hard to head, `git merge jester` 18:58:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:14 checkout master then pull? 18:58:16 are you sure your master is up to date? 18:58:19 *then* merge? 18:58:30 I'm at f2a36915 18:58:38 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:59:49 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:09 there we go 19:00:41 ??rebuild 19:00:42 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 19:01:25 -!- dcssrubot990 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:49 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:53 Hmmm... actually, maybe the problem is different than I thought 19:03:07 Since it seems that while I can't reproduce it in THAT corridor, I CAN in a different one 19:03:20 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:21 Despite being seemingly identical 19:06:03 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:06:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-60-g27b6fb3 (34) 19:06:29 Okay, yeah, definitely an issue here 19:06:37 -!- Tony_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:07:00 It even seems to pass through walls entirely sometimes 19:07:09 should I tell ##crawl or are we going to announce on the blog? 19:07:56 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-3132-g0786d14: Jesters 10(4 days ago, 6 files, 29+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0786d146ac69 19:07:56 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-3133-g095b256: Never diminish Xom wrath for Jesters. 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 6+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=095b2569e3b0 19:07:56 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-3134-g00a0082: Jester Tweaks 10(3 days ago, 3 files, 6+ 7-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00a0082d11a6 19:07:56 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-3135-gaaf4ebc: More Jester Tweaks 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aaf4ebcdb822 19:07:56 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-3136-gfcd0753: Jester god tweaks 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcd075344d39 19:07:56 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3137-gb9a82cc: Give jesters a deck of war at start (bh) 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9a82ccac7dd 19:07:56 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3138-gf713325: Fix wtile: not working on anything other than shields. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 18+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7133256f765 19:07:56 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-3139-gf5ccecb: Make jesters' caps look like jester caps. 10(3 days ago, 3 files, 10+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5ccecb397b6 19:07:56 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-3140-g9d2f85a: Fix spacing. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d2f85a58a7f 19:07:56 03bh 07* 0.12-a0-3141-g91b8e6e: Change Jester Abbreviation 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91b8e6eee7aa 19:07:56 ... and 40 more commits 19:09:02 draconian jester won't load 19:09:13 perhaps it's trying to make me wear a robe? 19:09:44 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:10:52 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-60-g27b6fb3 (34) 19:12:36 Yeah I can't get any jester to load, I just get kicked back to the start menu. 19:12:57 eeviac: I wonder why this would be hitting you for reasons other than irony. 19:13:02 console or tiles? 19:13:08 console cszo 19:13:17 april fools :( 19:13:48 eeviac: have you tried disconnecting? 19:13:55 several times 19:13:57 'try turning it off and then on again' 19:14:16 'is your computer plugged in' 19:14:21 'is your monitor turned on' 19:14:44 Hmmm... seems to happen when you're in a corridor seperated by a wall from another corridor that has perpendicular corridors coming off of it 19:14:48 ...or something like that 19:16:33 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 19:16:46 good bug ... demigod jester is allowed 19:17:18 bh: the lockout is account specific, I just made a new account and I'm in 19:17:25 eeviac: that sucks. 19:17:28 I suppose demigods of Xom were allowed last april fool's, too? :P 19:17:29 mumra: should we patch it? :) 19:17:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-60-g27b6fb3 (34) 19:18:03 03mumra 07* 0.13-a0-61-g587595e: Allow demons and angels to recover from porkalation 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=587595eca88b 19:20:24 Though perhaps I should just pawn this off on kilobyte, since presumably he knows how his own code works better than I do 19:21:30 bh: it's clearly massively op but it is funny 19:21:43 mumra: yeah :) 19:23:30 ok really 19:23:36 my cao account is locked out too 19:23:39 is this april fools 19:23:44 Tornado WAS his code, yes? 19:23:59 eeviac: are you sure your password is right? 19:24:13 it's not my account that's locked, it's loading jesters 19:24:51 I'm nerfing demigod jesters. 19:25:01 They won't get nemelex, but they'll be under more severe xom penance. 19:25:11 ok I call shenenigans 19:25:28 'eeviac' on cao and cszo can't play jr, but my other accounts can 19:25:32 eeviac: Napkin runs cszo. I have no powers there 19:25:41 !tell kilobyte Tornado seems to pass straight through corridor walls in some circumstances. (See http://pastebin.com/rK9DW2sy) This is easily reproducible in similar geometries 19:25:42 DracoOmega: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 19:25:57 bh: Don't you mean CDO? 19:26:11 DracoOmega: yeah. that. 19:26:13 |amethyst runs CSZO 19:26:25 <|amethyst> rax does, but I help out with dgamelaunch stuff 19:26:27 <|amethyst> let me see 19:26:30 <|amethyst> oh 19:26:32 <|amethyst> I run CSZO yes 19:26:35 <|amethyst> rax runs CAO 19:26:44 -!- Ahrin has quit [] 19:26:50 I smell a conspiracy so I'm digging through commits now 19:27:02 <|amethyst> eeviac: this is console not webtiles? 19:27:12 yeah it's console cszo and cao 19:27:23 I can play on accounts not named eeviac 19:28:56 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-62-g83a7f4e (34) 19:30:04 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:33:13 03bh 07* 0.13-a0-62-g83a7f4e: Nerf Demigod Jesters 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=83a7f4e08df2 19:35:32 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:35:36 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:36:23 did someone need me for something for jesters? 19:37:17 ontoclasm: I tried to draw a pie tile and failed 19:37:35 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:48 could we give jesters square_los? 19:39:31 octo_los 19:39:46 could we give everyone square los 19:40:11 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 19:40:29 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13-a0-62-g83a7f4e (34) 19:41:34 ##crawl is demanding I un-nerf dgjr 19:41:38 I think that's a bad idea. 19:41:59 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:42:53 <|amethyst> I'd consider forbidding it 19:43:27 <|amethyst> bh: how about remove all god restrictions for all gods 19:43:33 <|amethyst> since people were asking for MuHe 19:43:38 <|amethyst> s/god/race/ 19:43:46 <|amethyst> (except for Demigod) 19:44:01 muhe makes sense! 19:44:08 it's very interesting that my nicked accounts are jesterlocked too 19:44:12 very very interesting 19:44:27 <|amethyst> crawl doesn't even know about nick mappings 19:44:33 <|amethyst> something in your rc file 19:44:35 but devs do 19:44:41 hm 19:44:45 that's a good idea 19:44:50 eeviac: you can grep the source, there's nothing evil in there 19:45:29 -!- syraine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:33 there's nothing too wacky in my rc file 19:45:35 hmmm 19:46:07 ??long blades 19:46:07 long blades[1/1]: acc,dam,delay[hands]: falchion 2,8,13; long sword 1,10,14; scimitar -2,12,14; demon blade -1,13,13; double sword -1,15,15; great sword -3,16,16[2]; triple sword -4,19,19[2] 19:46:38 syraine_ wants Dg's of nemelex. I told him that I'm not going to do it (because I'm lazy and drinking wine) 19:46:48 T_T 19:46:49 <|amethyst> !lg eeviac crash 19:46:50 Malformed argument: crash 19:46:53 Just for April Fools 19:46:54 <|amethyst> !lm eeviac crash 19:46:56 16. [2013-02-23 01:32:17] eeviac the Severer (L12 DrBe) ASSERT(monster by mid(m->mid) == m) in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 455 failed on turn 16296. (Abyss:1) 19:47:01 <|amethyst> no not that 19:47:07 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:28 ok when I try to load a cao jrgame, there's a message that appears for a split second before I'm kicked to the menu 19:47:32 I'm trying to screenshot it 19:47:34 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/eeviac/crash-eeviac-20130401-004625.txt 19:49:13 <|amethyst> you have negative progress for staves, throwing, dodging, stealth, spc, and evo 19:49:21 eq slot #6, inv slot #1: +0 robe (unknown) 19:49:24 <|amethyst> what's going on there? 19:49:26 Also a robe 19:49:41 <|amethyst> slot #2: item '+0 cap' has invalid link 27000 19:50:00 hm 19:50:03 <|amethyst> oh 19:50:19 <|amethyst> getting a message before the player is initialized 19:50:36 yeah 19:50:48 I can't read it though, and getting a screenshot is proving difficult 19:51:20 got it 19:51:21 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-b1-1-gf5ec898 19:51:32 it's the same line that's at the top of my linked crash log 19:51:38 assert skills line 156 19:52:04 wacky 19:53:27 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-63-g09f16ec: Add formatting fix. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=09f16ec9d443 19:53:27 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-64-g62d5a83: Tweak manual entry for Jesters to account for demigods. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62d5a83c8ca8 19:55:20 Usually serve Nemelex Xobeh, but sometimes do not 19:55:26 <|amethyst> eeviac: got it 19:55:41 what was wrong? 19:55:42 But still have Xom wrath 19:55:50 <|amethyst> eeviac: it happens when the message about "Xom finds your last joke hilarious" causes a -More- 19:55:51 syraine_: Xom thinks this is hilarious. 19:55:59 <|amethyst> eeviac: which is why the rc would be relevant 19:56:07 I do have xom actions forcing more 19:56:15 Bh! Don't you respect April Fools?! v_v 19:56:23 <|amethyst> eeviac: ultimately, it's too early to give the message there 19:56:33 syraine_: dude. I just spent the last couple of nights hacking this. cut me some slack. 19:56:35 bh: someone else seems to have the same bug as eeviac 19:56:39 Bh, sowwy ~ 19:56:45 <|amethyst> working on it 19:56:50 probly because they copied crate's rc about xom actions 19:56:50 thanks neil 19:57:01 I'm just a bit annoyed that I didn't work harder on the Demigod of Nemelex Xobeh I had 19:57:25 i think minmay stockpiled a bunch of them 19:57:26 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:57:28 I have one saved 19:57:35 78291 has one going 19:57:43 if another dev wants to put them back in, that's fine by me. I don't want to bless a mistake that I made though. 19:57:59 Mm, I wouldn't mind it just for today 19:59:19 -!- syraine_ is now known as syraine 20:00:06 bh: no Nemelex is good 20:00:19 dpeg has spoken. 20:00:35 -!- rkd has quit [] 20:00:42 <3 "minmay stockpiled a bunch of them" 20:00:45 It's April Fools. = = 20:00:53 I think I will go try one on someone else's. 20:01:03 syraine: yes, but we want players to check out jesters beyond DG? 20:01:03 syraine: ask minmay to front you a dgjr 20:01:39 I am asking actually 20:04:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-64-g62d5a83 (34) 20:05:57 ok i'm in 20:06:10 <|amethyst> odd 20:06:11 I commented out the force more, started a character, then decommented 20:06:24 <|amethyst> my fix didn't seem to work 20:06:46 -!- SexyAcids has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:08:01 -!- InternetKraken has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:09:42 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:09:48 <|amethyst> oh 20:09:52 <|amethyst> my fix wasn't it 20:09:54 <|amethyst> my fix wasn't in 20:09:56 <|amethyst> %version 20:09:56 trunk: 0.13-a0-64-g62d5a83; 0.11: 0.11.2-11-g28dacbe; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 20:10:29 -!- Bomanz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:10:33 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: bad IRQs] 20:11:21 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-65-g34d789d (34) 20:11:54 <|amethyst> okay, fixed 20:12:22 <|amethyst> let's see... I guess I need to restart webtiles at some point 20:12:29 <|amethyst> and fork 0.12 on CAO 20:13:22 minor thing i noticed, mantis needs version categories updating 20:14:37 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:15:36 <|amethyst> also sequell needs to know about the new locations 20:16:37 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark 0.12 milestones at http://dobrazupa.org/meta/0.12/ ... haven't set it up on CAO yet 20:16:38 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 20:17:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:43 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-65-g34d789d: Fix timing of startup message for jesters. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34d789d929df 20:19:14 Webtiles server stopped. 20:20:44 Webtiles server started. 20:27:51 <|amethyst> I added a banner on CSZO webtiles asking players to try 0.12 and report bugs 20:28:24 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:39 -!- maarek has quit [Quit: maarek] 20:29:37 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:07 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:31 -!- dcssrubot248 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:37 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Client Quit] 20:33:16 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 20:37:44 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:25 -!- DarthCloakedGuy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:38:43 bh: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1000017/crawl/jesterpie.png 20:38:47 tasty 20:39:16 ontoclasm: wow! 20:39:38 everybody loves custard right 20:39:58 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:40:01 so why is there a prompt to sacrifice items when the sacrifice item setting is set to "no"? 20:40:28 this seems to have been an intentional change, that option even has an explicit prompt setting for people who want constant prompts 20:44:01 edit RC link not working for 0.12 by battaile 20:44:34 -!- n0gard has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:44:35 <|amethyst> oh, doh 20:48:29 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:04 7eaaf63a10138b1 looks like it should be reverted to me? auto_sacrifice has settings for "automatic" or "prompt me", prompting when it's set to "no" is just annoying 20:49:30 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I thought "prompt" meant "every time I step on an item, ask me if I want to sacrifice it" 20:49:46 <|amethyst> or it is just when you push o 20:49:57 just when you explore to it 20:50:32 <|amethyst> I'd like to be able to get the current behaviour somehow 20:51:00 opt_prompt, opt_other_prompt, opt_no? :P 20:51:07 <|amethyst> hm 20:52:45 at the moment "prompt" is "prompt to sacrifice", and "no" is "prompt to ignore" 20:54:40 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:54:52 i can make the current behaviour opt_prompt_ignore or something i guess? 20:55:16 -!- bh has left ##crawl-dev 20:55:57 <|amethyst> Not sure, but I think current behaviour should be the default 20:56:08 i don't really think it's worth having both types of prompt but that is much less important to me than just not getting constant annoying prompts 20:56:28 <|amethyst> so you do want to visit them, you just want to mark them as non-visit when you step away? 20:56:52 yes, i want to visit stacks so i can see them and decide what to do there 20:57:07 and then i'll do that and move on 20:57:40 <|amethyst> stacks or sacrificeables? 20:57:50 I don't see why current behaviour should be the default 20:57:59 the game doesn't prompt you whether to ignore this amazing triple sword that just spawned, either 20:58:14 surely the default should be to let players decide what to do with items themselves instead of special-casing sacrificables like that? 20:58:18 especially when you consider nemelex and such 20:59:09 03dolorous 07* 0.13-a0-66-g76cdad1: Tweak background description for Jesters to account for demigods. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=76cdad10b649 20:59:20 right 20:59:37 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:59:55 -!- xnavy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:15 (ideally i would visit stacks + sacrificeables + corpses but i haven't managed to untangle the greedy_butcherable patch) 21:00:27 -!- zerc has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:00:29 <|amethyst> maybe it should just be "prompt" and the options should be yes, no(t yet), and ignore 21:00:42 <|amethyst> or yes, no, and come back later 21:00:59 that seems like a really complex UI for something you're going to see 100 times per floor in orc 21:01:26 <|amethyst> Giving three options at the prompt instead of two? 21:01:38 <|amethyst> Default could be no (old behaviour) I guess 21:01:52 well I already think that setting it to prompt is insane :P 21:04:16 <|amethyst> I want to auto-visit corpses, I want to be able to choose whether to butcher or sacrifice them, but I also want to be reminded if I do neither 21:05:58 doesn't the current prompt setting handle that? I mean, it asks whether to sacrifice them, so all you need to remember is to press c afterwards if you decide you want to butcher instead 21:06:43 <|amethyst> elliott: I guess it's okay... the reason I prefer the new one is that I have the option of saying "no, but visit this square again next time I travel" 21:07:05 <|amethyst> but I guess I don't do that much so 21:09:59 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:48 <|amethyst> ontoclasm, bh: Is one of you committing that pie? 21:10:59 i can do it 21:11:07 do pies get wielded 21:11:46 -!- Wehk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:29 they don't do anything when wielded afaik 21:12:37 ok 21:12:40 maybe a pie dev would code that though? 21:12:43 but they do need missile tiles looks like 21:12:51 since multiple people seem to expect it 21:13:10 well i only asked because if so i need to make a doll tile 21:13:22 <|amethyst> maybe make wielded pies auto-hit 21:15:19 -!- N78291 has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:15:24 -!- Glucocorticoid is now known as N78291 21:16:17 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:16:47 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:18:38 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:19:07 <|amethyst> okay, I also tried to make it more clear in dgl that 0.12 is in beta (and that players should report bugs) 21:20:46 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:21:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- Wehk has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- minqmay has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- MaxFrost has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- bmfx has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- shmup has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- Porost has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:46 -!- Yllodra has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:48 -!- SamB_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:48 -!- Sabaki has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:48 -!- Lasse- has quit [*.net *.split] 21:21:48 -!- oberstein has quit [*.net *.split] 21:25:19 -!- Adder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:19 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:20 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 21:27:13 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:29:19 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:16 <|amethyst> Napkin, kilobyte: can someone update CDO trunk? 21:31:43 <|amethyst> Napkin, kilobyte: there's a bugfix for a crash-on-jester bug (when you have a force_more on xom actions) 21:32:23 -!- sbanwart_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:32:25 <|amethyst> Also, is someone going to announce Jesters and the 0.12 beta on CDO and other places (tavern, reddit, etc) 21:32:40 -!- soundlst has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:33:21 <|amethyst> (and there's changelog updating to be done) 21:34:32 03ontoclasm 07* 0.13-a0-67-gb0bbe38: Pie tiles 10(9 minutes ago, 11 files, 13+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0bbe389b1f5 21:35:34 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:36:36 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13-a0-67-gb0bbe38 (34) 21:37:52 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:38:32 -!- Blazinghand_ is now known as Blazinghand 21:38:50 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:15 * SamB wonders what's in http://dobrazupa.org/meta/inception/ ... 21:39:16 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:40 <|amethyst> SamB: milestones etc from when inception was a separate branch playable on cszo 21:39:58 * SamB does not know what inception is 21:40:05 <|amethyst> SamB: newnewabyss 21:40:10 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:40:18 * SamB was thinking it would involve recursive dreams or something 21:40:20 <|amethyst> because "we have to go deeper" 21:40:36 -!- eviltwin_b is now known as allbery_b 21:41:27 <|amethyst> I think when I suggested the name I was still thinking of it as being "multiple abysses", but it worked out to be more like a normal branch 21:41:36 <|amethyst> s/multiple/nested/ 21:41:49 -!- cocofalco has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:42:38 -!- Chousuke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:43:03 -!- flowsnake has quit [Excess Flood] 21:43:03 -!- Pthing has quit [Excess Flood] 21:43:04 -!- geekosaur has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:43:05 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur 21:46:52 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:57 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 21:46:57 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:22 any more excitement? 21:48:58 ontoclasm: your pies area riot! 21:49:32 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 21:49:32 -!- rwbarton has quit [*.net *.split] 21:49:32 -!- NotIpsum has quit [*.net *.split] 21:49:32 -!- Anag has quit [*.net *.split] 21:49:38 -!- Helmschank has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:49:55 bh thinks tihs is hilarious! 21:50:03 s/tihs/this/ 21:50:03 <|amethyst> "pies are a riot" is an anagram for "ear topiaries" 21:50:10 I haven't even played them yet; I have a good game in progress :( 21:50:20 Grunt: just hop on to another server 21:51:02 or make a sockpuppet, that's clearly not a ToS violation 21:51:13 a had a couple of games, they're a lot of fun 21:51:31 I think 78291 is going to win DrJr 21:51:38 er, DgJr 21:52:00 "Demigod of Nemelex Xobeh" 21:52:04 This seems so horribly horribly wrong. :b 21:52:06 there's a ToS? 21:52:23 elliott: that's part of of why, yes 21:52:44 if only 21:52:49 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:53:06 fr that and then purge elynae's billion accounts :P 21:53:09 fr topiaries\ 21:53:31 <|amethyst> CSZO ToS: not as good as CSZO TNG, but much better than CSZO Voyager 21:53:32 why did you allow dgjr? :P 21:53:39 Zannick: oversight. 21:53:42 :P 21:53:54 hmmm. next we need a DKJr 21:54:21 which has donkey kong at the bottom of zot waiting to be rescued 21:55:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:20 someone needs to rejigger the branches in mantis ... 21:55:56 I want to say I fixed #1083 in 0.13, but there's not really a choice for that ... 21:56:24 can't you say "fixed" and "0.13" ? 21:56:26 or maybe I just need to load that page again 21:57:30 <|amethyst> well, there's "Longterm development (0.13+)" but that's not quite right 21:57:44 <|amethyst> AFAIK only Napkin can add 0.13 to mantis 21:57:52 I guess I don't really want to resolve this bug anyway, though 21:58:00 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:01 since I also want to merge the fix into 0.12 21:58:08 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:11 Hi, can a developer please spectate this 21:58:18 I am on CAO 21:58:33 There appears to be some kind of invisible wall blocking this slime creature from moving 21:58:56 syraine: you might want to do a save backup, too 21:58:58 I don't see you on CAO 21:58:59 -!- magicpoints has quit [] 21:59:02 Xenene 21:59:10 Backed 21:59:17 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/Xenene-crawl-git-8b2b6b6a42-130331-2259.tar.bz2 21:59:39 weird. 21:59:43 This happened with another one 21:59:54 =o 22:00:14 And yeah, it's passable 22:01:36 -!- dcssrubot337 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:48 19:58:33 There appears to be some kind of invisible wall blocking this slime creature from moving 22:01:52 sounds like a trapdoor spider 22:02:46 Okay 22:02:50 Also Xom made it invisible 22:03:00 -!- gluup_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:03:40 Yep 22:03:46 It's a trapdoor spider 22:03:59 This sounds hilariously gamable 22:04:04 Game ~ 22:04:16 oh, xom 22:04:22 <|amethyst> maybe monsters should be able to push aside submerged monsters regardless of species 22:04:36 ^ +1 22:04:38 ??pie 22:04:39 pie[1/2]: A custard pie. Use it to blind enemies, or as a snack. 22:04:42 <|amethyst> (push aside as in swap with) 22:04:42 ??pie[2] 22:04:43 pie[2/2]: http://i.imgur.com/9P8cx3H.gif 22:06:07 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13-a0-67-gb0bbe38 22:07:46 -!- rwbarton_ is now known as rwbarton 22:07:47 people are suggesting extra accounts just to pile up started jesters, maybe we should make it all month or something? 22:07:58 fr: continuously nerf jesters over the week, using increasingly dubious reasons in the commit message, and then remove them (for balance reasons, since "pies break the food clock") once they've already become unplayable 22:08:29 what is this food clock 22:08:35 they've already gotten their first nerf too, no more demigod jesters 22:08:37 don't we already have a "dudes kill you" clock? 22:09:12 -!- blysik has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:09:18 I guess the clock clock doesn't really matter ;-P 22:09:41 we could always give them hunger 3 mutation to balance things 22:09:55 03MarvinPA 07* 0.13-a0-68-g43a7a66: Don't prompt about sacrifices with auto_sacrifice set to false 10(30 minutes ago, 4 files, 12+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43a7a6641ef8 22:10:03 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:10:32 <|amethyst> does anyone see a problem with allowing any monster to to displace a submerged monster, regardless of seniority etc ? 22:10:48 what happens if its a single tile pool 22:10:56 fr: webtiles should also have an emacs mode 22:12:09 (also, my nerf idea would screw with these multiple account people nicely...). i mostly just think we need to live up to the crawl dev reputation of capriciously nerfing things though 22:12:36 evilmike: except you can decline to transfer saves :P 22:12:47 foiled again 22:13:00 nerf the ability to not transfer saves first 22:13:05 too op, let you exploit bugs 22:13:18 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol playing the webtiles build locally, I'm getting "m_origin not set in _send_cursor" when using x 22:13:18 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 22:13:19 i approve of this plan 22:15:30 elliott: we can't do that, we need the REAL admins to do that ... 22:15:39 I mean, if we actually wanted to do this 22:15:46 evilmike: you're evil :) 22:15:56 bh: was the name not a clue? 22:16:00 SamB: uh, you clearly don't know what you're talking about, devs have the power to nerf anything in the universe they deem overpowered 22:16:03 SamB: point. 22:16:14 elliott: So I can nerf Windows now? 22:16:24 yes. I once had a spoon nerfed 22:16:31 elliott: I've introduced more OP stuff than I've nerfed 22:16:40 i'm nerfing an easter egg as we speak 22:16:59 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:04 <|amethyst> evilmike: looks like it already checks habitability 22:17:08 (mmm chocolate) 22:17:31 <|amethyst> evilmike: with my fix a slime creature is still stuck behind a fish submerged in one tile of shallow water 22:17:45 heh, oh well 22:17:46 <|amethyst> evilmike: but isn't stuck behind a trapdoor spider or an air elemental 22:18:07 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:18:51 this will basically never happen anyway, sometimes you might get a dreaded fountain eel, but those are never in corridors 22:18:53 I nerfed some artefact jewellery auto-ID stuff, so that base types that don't become evident until something happens (like SInv) don't end up revealing everything about the artefact 22:19:55 -!- WesterAlt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:20:29 -!- eggonlegs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:31 but jpeg basically told me to, so 22:22:07 <|amethyst> SamB: sounds like the old behaviour was wrong, yeah 22:22:55 of course, the comment that said FIXME: was in the file that actually didn't reveal the stuff that shouldn't be revealed 22:25:05 03|amethyst 07* 0.13-a0-69-g220d423: Allow monsters to displace submerged monsters. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=220d423dc462 22:26:09 -!- doome has quit [] 22:26:55 * SamB wonders what kind of jester to try 22:27:24 Halfling. It's clearly the funiest 22:27:25 funniest 22:28:19 -!- Sepik121 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:33:14 * SamB isn't a very good player ... 22:34:59 -!- Poncheis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:56 OgJr 22:39:17 eeviac is running an awesome DrJr. He just got a cloak of darkness 22:39:18 Alternately: MuJr 22:40:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:32 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:34 how do I autovisit sacable stuff now? 22:42:11 <|amethyst> explore_stop += greedy_sacrificeable which should be the default 22:43:36 <|amethyst> if you want the behaviour from yesterday (o on a sacrificeable item asks if you want to ignore it), use auto_sacrifice = prompt_ignore 22:43:46 what section does that go in? 22:43:53 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 22:44:24 <|amethyst> SamB: in the options guide it's 3-g Travel and Exploration 22:44:44 oh I see it now 22:46:47 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:46:56 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:48:02 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:49:49 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:11 ??rod of the swarm 22:50:12 summon swarm[1/2]: Level 5 rod spell. Summons all sorts of wild beasts ranging from butterflies and goliath beetles to yellow wasps. Always friendly (before 0.8 they were often hostile). 22:52:28 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:53:11 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:19 "You aren't carrying any items that can be evoked." is a bit confusing when you just need to wield a deck or something 22:53:24 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:59 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:57:13 -!- the_glow_m_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:58:16 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:00:16 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:24 Uh, I just skinned a dragon and got a cursed hide. 23:01:34 That's never supposed to happen, is it? 23:02:14 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 23:03:25 it was obviously a cursed dragon? 23:03:32 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:34 or, or! 23:03:35 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:41 the dragon called it's mummy! 23:04:15 fr undead can use tmuts so we can have dragonmummies 23:04:40 Grunt: I think there's something funny going on with that lately, since I think someone mentioned getting a randart troll hide? 23:05:27 i've found glowing (cursed) hides on the ground recently 23:05:41 not from butchering 23:05:58 -!- the_glow_m has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:06:00 haha randart troll hide 23:06:07 Hahaha. 23:07:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:07:33 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09:31 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:15:31 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:21:18 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:22:35 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:30:48 cTele ring doesn't ID by rchandra 23:31:42 -!- dcssrubot381 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:56 -!- Wester has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:36:36 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:38 -!- AriaB has quit [Client Quit] 23:45:36 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:47:53 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:48:19 -!- Villadelfia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:22 -!- Alucard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:48:22 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:52:59 Elrond the Practitioner (L2 HEHe) ASSERT(total > 0) in 'random-var.cc' at line 56 failed on turn 792. (D:1) 23:53:06 ...uh. 23:53:09 bwha? 23:53:14 !lm elrond crash -log 23:53:15 1. Elrond, XL2 HEHe, T:792 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Elrond/crash-Elrond-20130401-045259.txt 23:54:11 that's interesting. 23:57:00 hmm, why are these save backups in tarballs if they're just going to contain a single .cs file anyway? 23:57:36 Maybe from back when saves weren't just a single .cs file? 23:57:48 But rather a bunch of files 23:59:21 -!- bh has left ##crawl-dev