00:00:51 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-2715-g9d2f290 (34) 00:02:38 -!- __jpmorg1n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:02:59 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:34 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 00:05:14 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:30 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:33 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:20:07 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:22:56 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:25:33 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 00:28:41 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:40:45 -!- eb has quit [] 00:47:00 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:51:25 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:58:53 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:43 -!- Scherzo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:02:56 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:11 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:12:26 -!- G-Flex has quit [] 01:14:11 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2716-g06e7060: Add changelog entry. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06e706095174 01:14:11 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2717-gd71cc7b: Update changelog entry. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d71cc7bdc9f6 01:15:39 -!- dcssrubot604 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:22 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 01:24:21 03mumra 07* 0.12-a0-2718-g430c270: Prevent angels picking up ?unholy creation For weapons both is_evil_item and is_unholy_item are checked so it seems reasonable to apply this for scrolls too. 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=430c2708239a 01:24:21 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2719-gd8bd7d4: Fix whitespace. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8bd7d425847 01:24:21 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2720-gab1fab1: Update comment. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab1fab146e30 01:25:07 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:54 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 01:29:41 -!- domiryuu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:37:54 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:05 -!- clinew has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:41:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:41:58 -!- kryft has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:10 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:46:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:49:17 -!- Thalfon has quit [] 01:50:20 -!- Wahaha is now known as Wahaha_ 01:55:47 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-2721-g26f32c5: Fix capitalization. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26f32c58fcc4 02:02:30 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:36 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:06:16 -!- santiago has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:18 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:34 -!- kittykai has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:14:40 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:54 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:20:00 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 02:20:19 -!- heteroy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:21 -!- volteccer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:37:33 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:37:50 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:40 -!- JamezQ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:45:10 -!- Gastrox has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:45:43 -!- dcssrubot887 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:13 -!- Taco_Princess has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:47 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:08:59 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:49 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:13:34 -!- Taco_Princess has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:40 can i set additional auto-pickup based on some regex or similar? 03:14:08 like.. it's like to pickup all clubs, but not all maces&flails and definitely not all weapons 03:14:13 -!- Taco_Princess has quit [Changing host] 03:14:13 -!- Taco_Princess has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:35 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2722-g1b60a9d: Fix monsters gaining AC when taking off armour 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b60a9ddb7d0 03:17:37 I am also interested in this, because non mulching throwing weapons are fun 03:20:23 DracoOmega: quality bug 03:20:28 Indeed 03:20:30 wow bug 03:20:31 And about 5 months old, too 03:20:39 gj! 03:20:47 this is almost as good as when elliptic found out 1.5-handers didn't exist! 03:20:51 Heh 03:21:07 I still think eyes of devastation and cacodemons dispelling buffs for like 2 years is better 03:21:12 2 years and no one noticed! 03:21:18 -!- jjj__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:21:30 wasn't that only for monsters though 03:21:38 Dispelling monster buffs, yes 03:21:39 monster buffs don't really exist very much 03:21:41 I don't think they dispelled player buffs yeah 03:21:49 i guess maybe they unhasted hasted player allies sometime? 03:21:50 Player buffs you would easily notice 03:21:51 and just nobody noticed 03:22:05 but if you have hasted allies then you have allies so probably this does not hurt you all that much 03:22:14 Well, cacodemons were often player allies, too 03:22:27 A good object lesson in why purple drac breath is not so amazing in most cases 03:22:41 If ever Makh worshipper came with free purple breath and no one noticed :P 03:23:51 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:27:46 DracoOmega: what commit introduced it? 03:30:08 %git 6a475375dd 03:30:08 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-715-g6a47537: Unduplicate the code for calculating AC a monster gets from armour. 10(7 months ago, 2 files, 17+ 21-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a475375dd6f 03:31:40 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:48 mmmm 03:32:18 so could you buff up an ally to a kajillion ac 03:32:23 by getting it to take off and re-equip plate 03:32:39 Well, I'm not sure how to get it to put back on stuff it took off 03:32:42 Since it considers it worse 03:32:54 But you could give it a ton of AC by progressively upgrading in small increments 03:33:16 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:33:23 Wasn't there a bug a while back involving enslaving jellies and making them duplicate by eating stuff and polymorphing them? 03:33:28 I gave an orc 80 AC by going from leather->ring->scale->chain->splint->plate or something 03:33:43 More is obviously possible 03:34:14 DracoOmega: ok but you failed to do this online and exploit it for a hilarious win so i think you've terribly missed out here 03:34:19 Haha 03:34:22 Maybe Thrall did! 03:34:25 (It was a Thrall bug) 03:34:28 haha 03:34:38 thrall contributes more to devleopment than any of us could ever know 03:34:41 Maybe that +14 GDA warlord was even more diesel than we realized 03:34:59 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:36:22 Just imagine combining this with the cloning bug? Though really, do you NEED 100 AC orc warlords if you can just have infinite orc warlords instead? 03:36:41 well what if you want to zig 03:36:53 hopr mudo 03:36:56 Hmmm... you probably can't take allies into zigs, can you? 03:37:05 another thing for you to fix 03:37:08 Stuff doesn't follow between levels 03:37:18 you can just scum piety for allies on each zig level obviously 03:37:22 Haha 03:37:54 Take your freshly gifted orc around and try on all of the fallen gear in sequence 03:38:00 Then get your 100 AC orc, and leave him behind 03:38:05 Since you can't take him with you 03:38:07 it's a metaphor for life 03:38:10 Ha 03:38:16 and the capitalist struggle 03:45:13 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:46:22 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:40 -!- smeea has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:56:43 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57:00 -!- magicpoints has quit [] 03:57:22 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 04:01:26 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:06:05 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:15:49 -!- dcssrubot702 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:19:35 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:22:51 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:32:09 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:44 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:43:18 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:48:44 -!- Soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:52:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58:02 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 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Use !messages to read them. 08:56:10 !messages 08:56:10 (1/4) minqmay said (3d 6h 19m 24s ago): i found another washing machine drum fire pit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqfwTt-rRu4 09:04:44 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06:53 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 09:07:18 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:43 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:50 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:14:17 -!- WildMole has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:20:12 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:21:44 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:44 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:52 -!- dcssrubot235 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:39 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:31:54 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:32:23 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:32 white_noise stairs by KiloByte 09:41:22 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:47:58 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:38 Subvaults not marked for reuse on error / regen / veto(?) by mumra 10:00:30 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:49 -!- cptpickles has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:17:05 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19:13 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22:08 -!- gloop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:30 * Grunt annoys mumra 10:23:31 . 10:23:58 * mumra resists 10:24:45 i forgot exactly why i was after you, i was going to ask a question relating to those lua errors 10:24:55 with either ashenzari_visionary or rogues_gallery 10:25:04 but i've made a patch now that will fix them anyway 10:27:56 (i'm still a little confused as to whether it was caused by missing depth or unrand or both but anyway it shouldn't happen again) 10:28:09 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:29:12 atrodo (L16 FeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 110: ZotDef: monster Khufu failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 10:29:28 !lm atrodo crash -log 10:29:29 No milestones for atrodo (crash). 10:37:38 !lm atrodo zotdef crash -log 10:37:39 22. atrodo, XL16 FeCj, T:4807 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/atrodo/crash-atrodo-20130314-152910.txt 10:40:49 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:50 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:12 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:42:06 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:49 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:46:44 looks like https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4343 10:49:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:53:46 also #5736 and #6704 10:56:05 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 10:57:59 -!- dcssrubot584 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:58 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:09:09 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:09 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 11:09:10 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO has telnet again. Let rax know if there are problems. | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ?cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 11:11:45 -!- TacoPrincess has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:18:22 -!- Scherzo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:07 elliptic: I got the new amulet of Air in a game, the light masquerading as a spell seems misleading. At least I felt like I'll need to recast it soon, all the time. 11:23:10 -!- FattyAcids has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:23:36 looks like it should at the very least be white, like all other permanent effects with a light 11:24:25 kilobyte: that's funny, I feel like I need to recast rMsl when I *don't* see that reassuring light or when it is the color indicating that it will expire soon... 11:24:30 but yes, possibly it should be white 11:25:04 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:28 elliptic: wait, wasn't it white originally? 11:27:01 I first made it white and then changed it to the normal blue within a day 11:27:13 huh, thought it was longer than that 11:27:16 as you might guess, this means I was a bit uncertain which was better :P and I still am 11:27:39 how about an adjective 11:27:39 so if other people prefer white after playing with it, by all means change it 11:27:42 Very RMsl 11:27:56 -!- lavos has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 11:28:23 (I've used it in several games and the blue seemed fine to me) 11:28:24 alternatively, remove the perma rmsl status light, and add an inaccuracy status light. then you can tell them apart. 11:28:41 but 11:29:03 there can be no objections. 11:29:06 there's a DS mutation too 11:29:21 oh well that's easy, just give that inaccuracy too! 11:29:31 :p 11:32:36 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2723-gf91635a: Revert "Add 'vaults' to default dump_order" 10(3 days ago, 3 files, 9+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f91635a2d71d 11:32:36 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2724-g791cc53: A more compact format of vault dumps (ChrisOelmueller). 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=791cc536317c 11:32:36 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2725-gcc285a9: Change the glyph for abyssal stairs from ∩ to >. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc285a9e0363 11:32:36 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2726-gf7e1f15: Make a few functions static or gone. 10(3 days ago, 4 files, 11+ 28-) 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file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3440ed794ced 11:32:36 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2732-g834424c: Don't allow abyss-only monsters to spawn outside the Abyss. 10(20 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=834424c37e69 11:32:36 ... and 4 more commits 11:32:38 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32:38 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:38 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:36:03 -!- SkaryMonk1 is now known as SkaryMonk 11:36:15 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:36:40 -!- faz|afk is now known as faz 11:59:40 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:53 <|amethyst> CSZO is in Pennsylvania, CAO in Arizona 12:00:55 <|amethyst> doh 12:01:17 -!- FattyAcids has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:18 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:01:23 -!- leparfum has quit [Client Quit] 12:01:42 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:02:57 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:57 -!- madreisz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03:46 Stable (0.11) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11.2-10-g01a9a8f 12:05:04 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:06:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:14 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 12:13:03 03Translators 07* 0.12-a0-2737-gfff5f71: [Transifex] New polish translations. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 33+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fff5f7135459 12:14:50 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 12:16:34 %git c698a45c6ce20a99d2c887136d415c1842932d77 12:16:34 03mumra * 0.12-a0-2736-gc698a45: Fix missing weights for some serial vault subvaults. 10(3 hours ago, 3 files, 76+ 57-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c698a45c6ce2 12:21:35 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:54 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:04 -!- dcssrubot376 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have 10% "Train" 13:23:08 0.11, |amethyst 13:23:24 <|amethyst> Napkin: invocations is cheaper than most skills in 0.11 13:23:53 <|amethyst> stealth, invo, and evo required 80% the XP of other skills, spellcasting 130% 13:24:05 oh.. so -1 in a skill is not the same as -1 in another skill? 13:24:22 <|amethyst> not for those four skills in 0.11 and earlier 13:24:29 that's confusing 13:24:42 <|amethyst> that's why it was changed in trunk :) 13:24:45 "fixed" in trunk, huh? 13:24:48 great :) 13:25:03 <|amethyst> (of course, now humans aren't 0 across-the-board) 13:25:16 how did you change it? change the apt value displayed? 13:25:47 you answered that then, nevermind ;) 13:26:03 <|amethyst> It's not exactly as it was before 13:26:49 <|amethyst> Since 80% and 130% aren't powers of sqrt(sqrt(2)) 13:26:56 <|amethyst> but reasonably close 13:27:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:02 cool 13:27:26 <|amethyst> (except for nagas, to avoid having +6) 13:27:36 <|amethyst> s/nagas/naga stealth/ 13:27:45 <|amethyst> %git cb5881f4 13:27:45 03galehar * 0.12-a0-220-gcb5881f: Remove the hidden special cost of some skills, adjust aptitudes. 10(7 months ago, 2 files, 131+ 147-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb5881f43b3e 13:27:46 was that a problem? 13:28:03 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:33 <|amethyst> probably not really 13:28:41 oh, nerfed then, huh? 13:28:45 <|amethyst> I guess there might be formatting issues with a manual of stealth 13:28:54 i found naga to be difficult enough already ;) 13:29:42 <|amethyst> (the formatting issues can show up anyway with crosstraining + manuals, though, so that's probably not the only reason) 13:29:45 is the sum of Apt shown somewhere? 13:29:55 oh, true 13:30:10 <|amethyst> Hm.... not that I know of 13:30:31 <|amethyst> I think the biggest reason for naga stealth staying at +5 was "6 is a big number" 13:30:46 hehe 13:30:49 <|amethyst> but galehar could tell you better 13:31:05 galehar, you naga nerfer! 13:31:36 fr: race whose stats are all 6s (+ or -) 13:32:05 <|amethyst> Zannick: FR: that race is demonspawn 13:32:29 lol great 13:33:17 will new demigod get into 0.12? 13:34:24 <|amethyst> I suspect not, but until someone who sounds authoritative says "freeze" it's possible 13:34:25 i tried trunk recently and was a bit sad that is no new combo to try ;> 13:34:36 i mean.. new or radically changed 13:34:41 <|amethyst> Napkin: conjuror 13:34:45 <|amethyst> s/or/er/ 13:34:48 oh? 13:34:56 <|amethyst> Napkin: it has a new non-elemental book 13:35:13 oho! 13:35:14 <|amethyst> Napkin: (and Vehumet is very different, though that isn't part of the combo) 13:35:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:49 whoever does the release announcement shouldn't forget to mention that 13:36:24 apart from vehumet, the short playing of trunk made me think that most changes are "under the hood" 13:37:49 <|amethyst> Well, vaults and abyss are significantly different, but you probably wouldn't see those in a short game unless you're an AK (or got unlucky with Erolcha) 13:38:06 !send |amethyst a D:1 distortion kobold 13:38:06 Sending a D:1 distortion kobold to |amethyst. 13:38:11 you mean vaults branch? 13:38:14 <|amethyst> Napkin: yeah 13:38:18 oh, cool 13:38:24 <|amethyst> Napkin: Also, axe cleaving 13:38:42 yeah, looking forward to that one 13:39:01 03SamB 07* 0.12-a0-2738-gd6d6775: Update a few references to/between stuff in dat/des/entry in docs/comments. 10(41 minutes ago, 4 files, 7+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6d6775fc8e5 13:39:11 <|amethyst> but, yeah, 0.12 isn't as dramatic as some releases 13:39:21 o_O 13:39:26 A lot is new and cool in 0.12! 13:39:29 cleaving really needs some kind of animation 13:39:37 at least not immediately obvious 13:39:49 which is also important, i think 13:39:49 -!- JamezQ has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:43:23 did someone recently break '&' to select carrion in the drop/inventory list? 13:44:07 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:14 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:44:46 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:44 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:50 -!- newideas has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:51:40 <|amethyst> freefall: works for me, at least with a corpse 13:51:58 <|amethyst> also with useless chunks 13:52:23 <|amethyst> oh hm 13:52:31 <|amethyst> some useless chunks 13:52:44 <|amethyst> freefall: what in particular isn't being selected for you? 13:53:48 i had a couple of "n rotting chunks of foo flesh" in my inventory and & didn't select anything 13:53:57 <|amethyst> freefall: what race? 13:54:05 tengu 13:54:29 Last I recall, chunks aren't considered carrion 13:54:36 it definitely worked fine earlier in this game, but seems there was some recent change 13:54:46 I could be wrong, though 13:55:50 <|amethyst> freefall: do you know Sublimation of Blood? 13:55:57 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:56:46 <|amethyst> freefall: or simulacrum? 13:57:43 oh! i just learned SoB. had no idea that changed the behaviour of & 13:57:51 thanks 13:58:01 <|amethyst> yeah, only "useless" chunks are considered carrion 13:58:04 It means that rotting chunks are no longer useless to you 13:58:09 -!- dcssrubot213 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:12 <|amethyst> and what dtsund said 13:59:01 <|amethyst> though it's strange what counts there 13:59:05 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:33 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:49 <|amethyst> if it's inedible because of rotting (and you don't know the chunk-using spells), it's useless... but if it's inedible because it's poisonous or rot-inducing, it's not useless 14:00:29 -!- _dd has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:40 yeah, it's a little bit confusing unless you already know the rules 14:00:53 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:04 <|amethyst> I can understand poisonous chunks, since you could swap to rP 14:02:25 <|amethyst> I'm not sure why rot-inducing chunks are ever considered useful for a non-ghoul without those two spells 14:03:14 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:48 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte should the is_poisonous and causes_rot checks in can_ingest be inside the check_hunger condition? 14:05:48 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 14:06:28 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte because it means & won't select poisonous or HCl chunks, even if you're a non-rP non-ghoul without sublimation or simulacrum 14:06:29 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 14:06:59 Kal (L19 TeWr) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 110: ZotDef: monster fire elemental failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 14:11:54 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:14 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:22:15 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:36:57 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:42:57 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:57 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:14 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:44:40 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:08 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 14:49:48 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-2739-g969ac5f: Reduce the number/difficulty of monsters placed in grunt_profane_halls. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 6-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=969ac5fa2ead 14:53:35 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:53:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:37 http://i.imgur.com/xF8nIXP.png 14:58:58 o_O 14:59:29 -!- AriaB has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:58 -!- jefkin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:06:56 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 15:08:42 Can anyone see any issues with my patch to fix arena's broken display? https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6675 15:09:01 -!- Nickajeglin has quit [] 15:12:13 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:13:03 -!- numa_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:45 which was the commit that originally removed that line? 15:15:17 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:15:40 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:22 -!- Zermako has quit [] 15:17:03 dtsund: reminds me of doomrl 15:17:13 -!- spriseris has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:56 umm, I'll have to look that up 15:19:07 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 15:20:16 simmarine: That's where the idea came from 15:21:39 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:29 So I have the commit that breaks arena as a branch I kept saved, is there something I can do to get the commit # from that? 15:26:18 -!- krik has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:34 I think this is it 15:28:15 -!- dcssrubot778 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:20 58b7930 Combine common parts of lib*.h 15:29:01 vgit 15:29:04 oops 15:31:30 -!- home has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:32:21 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:35:19 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-2740-gbb4e2ba: A few slightly older (sub)vaults of mine, cleaned up and added. 10(11 minutes ago, 3 files, 331+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb4e2baa461b 15:37:14 -!- sbanwart has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:37:49 cool, someone did some digging on #6661, i should investigate further 15:38:41 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:13 -!- spriseris has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:40 <|amethyst> %git 57b7930 15:39:40 Could not find commit 57b7930 (git returned 128) 15:39:48 <|amethyst> %git 58b7930 15:39:49 03kilobyte * 0.10-a0-586-g58b7930: Combine common parts of lib*.h 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 19 files, 134+ 246-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=58b7930167ec 15:40:03 <|amethyst> AriaB: is that "0.10-a0-586" what you're looking for? 15:40:29 <|amethyst> AriaB: if so you can use "git describe COMMITHASH" 15:40:30 |amethyst: is there a way to write the message log (^p) to stdout 15:40:30 Oh yeah, there it is :) is there a list for these irc commans 15:40:44 oh thanks! 15:40:48 or stderr or something so i can examine it after a crash 15:41:00 since this crash doesn't make a milestone 15:41:11 it's an impolite crash 15:41:15 <|amethyst> as for Chei commands, I never bothered writing help for Chei (nor AFAIK did doy for Ashenzari, on which Chei is based) 15:42:11 <|amethyst> faze: err, doesn't ctrl-p write to stdout? 15:42:15 all i see is '-dump-maps' in the options list 15:42:28 does it? i guess i haven't tried 15:42:33 is that what you needed mumra? 15:42:33 it would make sense 15:42:48 -!- TacoPrincess has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:42:54 <|amethyst> faze: I mean, more or less all the stuff displayed by crawl goes to stdout 15:42:58 well i was just curious why it got removed 15:43:13 but that commit seems to move it to the console_startup() function which is still getting called 15:43:18 <|amethyst> faze: # will dump messages if you have the right things in dump_order 15:43:28 ah cool 15:44:27 <|amethyst> faze: (unfortunately, MSGCH_DIAGNOSTICS is not considered "dumpworthy") 15:44:48 <|amethyst> faze: at the very worst you could do a ttyrec 15:44:55 hhmmmm 15:44:57 |amethyst: well, i guess i can learn gdb then. i'm sure this will come in handy anyways 15:45:12 <|amethyst> yes, gdb is very very useful 15:45:19 yeah, it looks like it 15:45:40 somehow arena isn't calling when it's in console_startup(), then 15:46:28 is it wrong of me to add it where I did 15:46:30 ? 15:46:52 it does fix it but I'm not positive of it being the best solution 15:46:54 i'm just thinking it sounds like it' 15:46:56 |amethyst: someone posted some testing they did on #6661, do you have any ideas where i should go from here 15:47:11 mumra: what do you think, i saw you posted in there a bit 15:47:12 like it's broken in console_startup() but i can't see why 15:47:27 mumra: btw, sorry if i was an asshole yesterday, that was uncalled for. 15:48:45 faze: you were just upset and i wasn't the target anyway ;) 15:48:54 mumra: indeed :) 15:49:01 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 15:49:17 faze: with #6661 the interesting thing is that new_min is wrong, and that's coming from exp_needed() 15:49:28 do you have any debugging tools? 15:49:46 i do 15:49:59 at this point in c# i would step through and see when the value becomes that 15:50:18 i'll give that a shot 15:50:26 but i don't have any debugging set up. also i don't have a mac 15:50:38 indeed. 15:51:00 i am learning gdb myself, and i seem to be one of the few people around with a mc 15:51:03 er, mac 15:51:20 a mcmac 15:51:34 haha 15:52:37 faze: condolences :p 15:52:57 kilobyte: hey, i also have linux available too :P 15:52:59 but then, maybe this will put an end to endless toolchain problems 15:53:01 <|amethyst> hm... 15:53:25 <|amethyst> 64-bit OS X doesn't have 64-bit int does it? 15:53:27 kilobyte: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:53:38 <|amethyst> hm 15:53:54 is int 32 bits on 64 bit mac? 15:54:08 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:54:17 kilobyte: I plan to move all quotes to the desc files with key_name:quote as their key. See anything wrong with that? 15:54:19 <|amethyst> It is on most 64-bit OSes on AMD64 platform 15:54:56 either OS X sucks too badly on amd CPUs (ok, ok, hackintosh, so Apple is sort of absolved here :p), or my lack of knowledge of OS X sucks too badly to fix it 15:55:01 -!- neuwiz has quit [Excess Flood] 15:55:02 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:17 |amethyst: is there any? 15:55:18 <|amethyst> I am using "AMD64" to include Intel chips 15:55:34 doh, 32 15:55:34 <|amethyst> x86_64 if you prefer 15:55:42 Hey kilobyte! I'm working on one of your patches that started making arena display broken. You moved a thiles.resize() statement into lib.gui and I'm wondering if you know why arena isn't apparently hitting it? 15:55:54 tiles* 15:56:46 AriaB: you mentioned the lib*.h merging, I'm not sure I remember much about that 15:56:55 it's possible I undertested tiles... 15:57:00 yeah it's beeon over a year 15:57:13 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:13 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:54 <|amethyst> re 6661, it would be nice to see the assembly code being generated with and without debug 16:00:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:00:45 it got SIGILL only after the assertion triggered 16:02:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:33 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:48 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:04 signal to ill 16:15:46 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-2741-g9ed4ec0: Fix tiles compilation. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ed4ec029105 16:16:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:17:26 -!- kittykai has quit [] 16:19:18 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:20:07 <|amethyst> it doesn't even make sense 16:20:13 <|amethyst> diff is 1 16:20:29 <|amethyst> so how could old_max and new_min be different 16:23:06 any idea why I'm getting this build error? http://codepad.org/WpVARMl9 I've doubled checked installing all the required packages 16:23:28 if it matters i'm running ubuntu in a VM from windows 16:23:45 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:24:22 how do I get Ctrl+numpad to work in a terminal? 16:24:51 SamB: Over SSH? 16:25:06 If you're using PuTTY, turn on NetHack Mode 16:25:30 Otherwise, I suspect you may be out of luck 16:25:40 <|amethyst> oh dear 16:25:46 okay, how do I make *both* control *and* shift work? 16:25:47 <|amethyst> I'm having disk issues 16:25:54 |amethyst: ouch 16:25:55 <|amethyst> (locally, cszo is fine) 16:26:16 SamB: NetHack Mode should make both work; it aliases the numpad directions to the vikeys 16:26:26 <|amethyst> sigh 16:26:28 hmm 16:26:44 <|amethyst> Fortunately I just bought a new disk, so let's hope I can copy stuff over 16:26:50 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:04 <|amethyst> but I'll be unavailable for a while 16:27:59 * SamB thought he'd tried NetHack mode 16:28:51 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:29:05 * SamB really thinks that should be made to work with xterm, too 16:30:09 -!- Mandevil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:18 -!- NuclearFrisson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:32:40 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:29 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:34:08 -!- BorekL is now known as Mandevil 16:34:58 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35:09 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:10 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:37:25 next question: how come clicking to target stuff only seems to work in local tiles? 16:40:02 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 16:41:57 SamB: Making it work in xterm may be a lost cause too 16:42:07 -!- dcssrubot579 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:19 Gnome likes to turn shift-numpad into the number even if numlock is off 16:42:55 gmome is not the boss of xterm 16:43:04 er, gnome even 16:46:36 Can i close: 0006156: Adds portals within the abyss. 16:46:36 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:48:52 -!- volteccer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:51 mumra: sure 16:52:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:53:02 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:04:08 thought so, only checked because of comment from neil 17:05:08 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:05:09 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:10:01 -!- dtsund is now known as Ogheron 17:11:25 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:12:04 -!- TacoPrincess has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:12:54 huh, looks like tiles and console handle mouse clicks almost totally differently :-( 17:13:16 or, rather, local tiles vs. others 17:13:44 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:15:11 -!- Ogheron is now known as dtsund 17:20:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:21:31 -!- santiago has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:22:00 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2742-g88b7f02: Fix webtiles and win32c compilation. 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88b7f02c669c 17:22:14 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:23:35 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:25 So... what exactly is so problematic about lurking horrors and wretched stars and such that they need to be vetoed from Zigs? Because if the problem is mainly chaos butterflies (as it seems to be), how about doing something about THEM, as opposed to removing a whole pile of other things to patch over this issue? 17:25:33 I was killed by those things in a zig 17:26:00 Last I checked, something being dangerous wasn't itself a particular reason for exclusion :) 17:26:26 who knows 17:27:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27:12 add a mons_is_really_abyssal_only 17:27:30 Yes, butterflies drowning loot and blocking teleporters is bad, but that's rather unrelated to those other monsters 17:28:03 but yeah i agree those are the only ones that really shouldn't spawn in zigs/sprint etc 17:28:04 And the main reason for excluding them was because of creating NEUTRAL ones was annoying. Not that the monster is an inherant problem if it ends up anywhere but the abyss 17:28:14 The current list, I mean 17:29:14 another issue is spawning multiple copies of them in the middle of a big crowd 17:29:39 Is that dissimilar to other monsters that have LoS effects that are powerful? Like, say... greater mummies (who are obviously much worse in groups than these things are) 17:30:01 Zigs aren't exactly known for pulling their punches, anyway 17:30:24 And if too many are showing up at once there, spawn weights can be adjusted 17:30:59 I think chaos butterflies and spatial maelstroms are the only ones that cause actual mechanical issues outside the abyss in general, due to terrain effects 17:31:14 (Not that there's many non-perma walls in Zigs for maelstroms to do anything with) 17:32:11 And it's widely believed there are more problems with chaos butterflies than them just appearing in zigs and drowning loot, incidentally 17:33:12 -!- neynt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:33:42 lurking horrors might be ok, starcursed masses will kill you dead thanks to having a few pre-split individuals right in one place 17:34:08 chaos butterflies are fine in the Abyss, I'd say 17:34:17 you can just walk the other way 17:34:30 quickly, too 17:34:50 You do realize those are not even on that list of stuff vetoed, right? Nor should they be. 17:35:27 Also, running away from chaos butterflies tends to be rather hard, given their speed and tendancy to toss the player all over the place 17:35:44 oh, masses are indeed missing from the list 17:36:00 'Missing' implies an oversight 17:36:36 -!- marcmagus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:36:42 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:59 -!- Tekkuni has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:39:48 they were deliberately removed from it because there's no problem with them being outside the abyss or being spawned by corruption, yes 17:39:55 -!- Zermako has quit [] 17:41:34 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:49:33 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:53:20 DracoOmega: there was an old bug report about tentacles getting messed up on an abyss shift, do you know if that was fixed during inception stuff? 17:53:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:53:35 Tentacles getting messed up how? 17:53:39 i.e. tentacles near the map edge 17:53:48 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3358 17:54:06 it was about eldritch tentacles but i'm wondering about tentacled starspawn as well 17:54:58 Do 'map edges' even work the same way in the Abyss as they did then? 17:55:03 I actually don't know 17:55:12 But I have never heard anyone mention starspawn tentacles getting messed up 17:55:54 When I added starspawn, I did refactor tentacle code too, so it would be less buggy if they ever got disconencted somehow 17:56:05 (As happened in several circumstances, at the time) 17:57:58 just been doing some wizmode testing, can't reproduce, probably fixed when bh changed everything 17:58:10 Quite probably 17:58:14 -!- Soundlust has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:58:31 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:58 -!- NuclearFrisson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:04:58 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:12:12 -!- dcssrubot734 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:33 -!- home has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:13:22 -!- residualshade has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:39 * SamB wonders why a neutral is biting him ... 18:14:54 Because you're in their way, most likely 18:15:08 -!- ldf has quit [] 18:15:11 but they shouldn't be headed toward the orb! 18:17:09 huh, so I stepped off the orb and he stepped on and then he left 18:20:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:22:07 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:25:44 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:14 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:27:09 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:29:54 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:58 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:31:42 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:34:24 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 18:38:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39:59 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:42:04 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:04 -!- dcssrubot128 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:25 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:56:51 -!- Zifmia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:50 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:01:43 -!- madreisz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:51 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:07:43 -!- LikotUdendeb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:08:19 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:09:31 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:09:55 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:14 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:11:25 -!- TacoPrincess has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:12:57 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:14:44 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 19:19:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:04 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:42 -!- residualshade has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:21:51 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:23:17 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2743-g2201f81: Show all walls created by Imprison, rather than just the near ones 10(37 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2201f81477e5 19:23:17 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2744-gbf45fce: Only veto chaos butterflies from zigs and other places, rather than multiple abyssals 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf45fce621fe 19:25:47 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:05 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Client Quit] 19:29:10 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:31 DracoOmega: you're sure none of the abyssal monsters were causing zotdef crashes? 19:36:24 There were zotdef crashes? 19:36:41 I was only aware of issues related to butterflies drowning things 19:37:18 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:37 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:30 maybe I just misunderstood kilobytes "problems" 19:48:20 SamB: starcursed masses don't cause crashes, they merely overwhelm opposition if multiple proto-masses spawn close by 19:48:36 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-2745-g4c1f4d1: Fix formatting, don't look up holiness of invalid monsters. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c1f4d185886 19:48:48 Something unrelated to either of these commits, of course 19:51:23 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:13 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 19:52:46 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:44 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 19:58:44 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-2746-gae5911e: Revert "Fix Jiyva inconsistencies with non-convertible slimes (e.g. shapeshifters)." 10(40 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae5911e10c27 19:58:44 03elliptic 07* 0.12-a0-2747-g472dd48: Don't warn Jiyvaites when attacking slimes that are known shapeshifters. 10(11 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=472dd48ada80 19:58:53 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:05:53 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:07:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:12:33 -!- geedmat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:24:15 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:35:28 -!- ZRN_ has quit [] 20:35:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:37:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 20:37:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:38 -!- residualshade has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:40:46 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:46:40 -!- nonethousand_ is now known as nonethousand 20:54:14 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 20:54:58 ontoclasm: really old denzi ticket with 3 pan lord bodies and accessories that never got committed: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4888 20:56:49 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:56:52 -!- newideas has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:57:24 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:59:23 ontoclasm: someone even made a patch for it on #6192 but i don't like the look of it tbh, they renamed all the existing images but didn't use git rename for starters 21:02:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:04:51 oh wait, denzi did say the 2nd versions are corrected in some way, i can't see any difference myself 21:07:20 -!- jefkin has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130227155321]] 21:08:21 mumra: git doesn't track names 21:08:26 I mean, renames 21:08:48 SamB: i thought it did if you told it to rename 21:09:24 it can definitely track what a file used to be called, i've done this in one of my repositories 21:09:38 well, yeah, but it does that based on contents 21:10:04 hmm ok 21:10:10 so if you delete a file and create another file with the same exact content, it assumes that was a move regardless of how it actually happened 21:10:33 for text files, I believe it even has some fuzz 21:10:36 well anyway it's bloating the repository for no reason to rename them, the patch is 100k (should probably be smaller with image compression too) 21:11:17 if they have the same content, they will share a blob 21:11:37 ahh 21:11:44 they probably don't have the same content tho 21:12:05 i can't see a visual difference between the two versions, but he says he redid them from the 2nd image 21:12:22 -!- dcssrubot883 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:18 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:13:59 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:14:03 so we need some kind of "is this the same image" tool or something? 21:14:33 Seal doors ability changed the tile of doors outside LOS by Medar 21:15:39 SamB: we have that tool, it's called ontoclasm :P 21:22:06 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:22:39 >.> 21:23:35 are we sure seal doors isn't supposed to update tiles outside LOS? 21:24:03 (or doesn't it seal every door?) 21:24:52 it doesn't seal every odoor no 21:25:14 it can only seal doors in LoS 21:25:16 i think 21:25:35 in which LoS? 21:26:32 It currently seals doors LOS_RADIUS distance away from the player, but ignores LoS itself 21:26:49 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:27:00 Since it turns out that paying attention to LoS makes it very finicky with places the player can duck, and is actually complicated when you consider that the player itself can be moved during the action 21:27:13 -!- Soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:13 DracoOmega: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:27:38 SamB: tile changes outside los are info leakage really 21:27:39 mumra: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:27:55 Not in this case, if it's deterministic what's affected 21:28:12 Though it would be easy enough not to show the change there, if people feel it's a problem 21:28:16 depends on whether it's changing the tiles independantly of the features 21:28:39 I mean ... what if those doors aren't there anymore? 21:28:49 Well, then nothing at all will happen 21:28:55 And I suppose sometimes they won't close if there's a monster in the doorway.... 21:29:05 Okay, maybe minor info leakage then, even if rarely 21:29:09 I can adjust this 21:29:17 DracoOmega: this reminds me... I've had trouble a few times recently with autoexplore getting stuck without exploring most of the level because my map knowledge still thinks that some door is sealed 21:29:32 Oh, huh... well, that should be easily fixed 21:29:49 because when I killed the warden (or it timed out), the door was out of sight 21:29:49 DracoOmega: there are problems not just with sealed doors tho, it seems if a tile changes and you have already seen that grid then you'll see the tile change 21:29:57 wherever it is on the map 21:30:03 Reminds me of trying to autoexplore in the aftermath of efreets / rotting devils... 21:30:24 elliptic: Yeah. I can just adjust map knowledge of seen squares affected by seals when they are removed, I think 21:30:37 Since they always time out at once, anyway 21:30:40 it's very rare that such tile changes happen of course but it's a bug i've noticed using &L to place vaults 21:31:05 Well... I suppose it could expire if you were too far away to even know that any of them wore off or not? 21:31:32 But that seems like a pretty minor leakage for the sake of not confounding autoexplore, if true 21:31:58 -!- Melum has quit [Quit: Was eaten by a grue.] 21:31:59 mumra: That definitely isn't true in all cases 21:32:08 mumra: Normally you need to adjust map knowledge along with it 21:32:32 (Since until today, walls created by imprison that were out of sight were not indictated as changed, even though you knew which tiles HAD been changed) 21:32:38 -!- Bop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33:54 DracoOmega: yeah but if a vault places on the other side of the map and changes the tiles i can see it. this doesn't happen in normal play of course. 21:34:08 but e.g. if you implement the tiles thing for khufu 21:34:15 and khufu casts tomb on the other side of the map 21:34:21 that would give away his location 21:34:45 Hmmm... I think that's tile-specific, then 21:35:09 But actually, that shouldn't always happen either 21:35:12 At least, I don't think so? 21:35:39 Changing the tile flavor does not change the displayed tile itself unless in LoS, I think. You have to actually change the current tile directly 21:35:45 (Which the vault placer may do, but other code doesn't have to) 21:37:32 slightly different issue then i guess 21:37:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:59 Well, it obviously doesn't matter if a wizmode command causes an info leak :P 21:38:06 (This may happen in other places too, of course. I don't know) 21:39:13 ontoclasm: i was also going to mention this old ticket of yours https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5385 21:40:13 i like the style of the transparent rock there, i find the new tile works for transparent stone but it seems too neat and engraved for "transprent rock" 21:40:23 -!- Wehk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:10 ontoclasm: anyway can i close that ticket or are you still going to use anything from it? 21:42:45 (The new glass still feels a little off to me, somehow. I think maybe it's the color? Or not shiny enough?) 21:44:32 Okay, looking into the sealed door thing, I think there are actually two seperate issues 21:44:46 You actually DON'T see closed doors being turned into sealed doors when out of LoS 21:45:16 But you DO get a proper description for them if you examine the closed door (which is not a closed door) when out of LoS 21:45:39 -!- volteccer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:45:41 mumra: i think all the stuff worth having out of there is already in 21:45:51 so go ahead 21:45:59 This seems to be a general problem 21:46:11 If monsters dig things out of your LoS, you can use x to see what walls are now floor 21:46:28 Though the map is not updated to indicate anything has happened here 21:47:09 ontoclasm: cool thanks 21:47:30 those bonus pan lord parts totally need to go in tho ;) 21:47:48 yeah 21:48:04 i haven't looked at the code for how panlords get put together 21:48:06 I guess x doesn't use map knowledge? 21:48:10 but i'll do so at some point 21:50:58 :/ what do i set issues to is i think they're dumb 21:50:58 if* 21:51:39 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:49 -!- mnb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:53 ugggh these tiles use green transparency 21:52:54 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:54:06 ontoclasm: it would seem for pan lords you just add the parts to DEMON_* in dc-demon.txt 21:55:14 ontoclasm: what issue is dumb? 21:55:56 well, "dumb" is a harsh word 21:55:58 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6217 21:56:11 "not happening" 21:56:55 ontoclasm: "resolved (no change)" 21:57:02 ...snarky note optional :b 21:57:11 Alternatively closed instead of resolved. 21:57:43 i guess just leave a note and resolve with no change required, yeah 21:57:46 -!- TrollMan has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:57:51 or "won't do" or whatever it is 21:58:32 MarvinPA has some fairly recent experience with this >_> 21:58:47 well that one was pretty unambiguous :P 21:59:00 I'm glad I'm not the only person that thought so. :b 21:59:10 Would've been bad form for me to do anything with it, though. 22:00:55 well MarvinPA used "done" then 22:01:08 but yes "won't do" or "no change required" are useful 22:01:16 oh yeah i think i left it at default 22:01:31 "won't do" would probably be best for this. 22:10:23 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:10:25 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:47 -!- mnb has quit [] 22:19:14 -!- gluop has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:20:29 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:22:50 -!- yxhuvud2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:28:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:35 elliptic: Any opinions on the best way to handle autoexplore and sealed doors out of sight? Because most of the obvious ways of fixing this either involve an info leak or won't actually help in most cases 22:30:49 not sure 22:31:03 is this from teleporting away 22:31:08 Or just running, really 22:31:14 oh 22:31:32 It's a bit like hostile clouds out of LoS in this respect 22:31:36 i guess i don't know how many doors get sealed 22:31:56 Well, a single one in the right (wrong?) place can make autoexplore ignore a whole lot of the level 22:32:06 Since it thinks it's inaccessible 22:32:10 shouldn't it unseal eventually? 22:32:20 oh, i see 22:32:26 Well yes. But you won't SEE this unless it's in LoS 22:32:28 it creates a false exclusion 22:32:45 it took me a second to realize that is what you meant by hostile clouds 22:32:49 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:04 Yeah. Stuff that the player basically knows is no longer blocking movement, but they don't KNOW it's not, since they can't see that square 22:33:46 It would be easy enough to remove door seals from map knowledge when they expire, but this leaks the fact that they HAVE expired (since the duration is a bit random) 22:33:47 i guess i check my X map before leaving a level in most cases 22:33:56 i would imagine other players dont 22:34:10 DracoOmega: whats the duration range? 22:34:13 Well, it's not really a giant issue, but it would be nice 22:35:06 Looks like 8-16 turns, currently 22:35:09 well i guess what i am trying to ask is, can you delay the door seal removal until after max_seal_duration turns have passed 22:35:12 oh 22:35:34 Though all seals created at the same time will have the same duration 22:35:44 got it 22:36:37 Possibly a more general fix would be for autoexplore to consider some obstructions 'temporary' and try going back there anyway 22:36:45 yeah, that sounds better 22:37:03 it would take care of the cloud thing as well 22:37:08 Yeah 22:37:20 Though I am not immediately sure a sensible way to go about implementing this 22:37:24 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 22:39:08 Possibly have some function consider two levels of 'blocked', with most things counting as permenant obsctructions, and things like clouds and sealed doors not. And if autoexplore reaches a state where it would return 'partially explored, but some places unreachable' it tries another pass with temporary blockers considered not to be there 22:40:32 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:05 -!- madreisz_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:42:28 -!- dcssrubot655 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:44:09 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:46:17 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 22:48:03 <|amethyst> okay, it looks like I didn't lose anything important, but I'll probably be restoring backups all night 22:48:16 <|amethyst> (home computer; CSZO is fine) 22:48:30 Oh dear, what happened? 22:49:33 <|amethyst> It's been crashy for a few days because of a motherboard problem... moved stuff to a new computer but apparently the repeated power-cycles finally caused the drive with my home directory to start crapping out 22:49:48 <|amethyst> any my last backups were from December 22:50:04 <|amethyst> fortunately, none of the important stuff since December was corrupted 22:50:34 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2748-gccdd8e2: Describe out of sight features using map knowledge rather than true feature 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccdd8e2d9ca1 22:50:34 03DracoOmega 07* 0.12-a0-2749-gf353fb8: Only update map for warden-closed doors if at least part of the door was seen 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 16+ 8-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f353fb8624a8 23:02:44 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:33 <|amethyst> (kids, remember to make backups. More regularly than every 3 months.) 23:05:29 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:06:01 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 23:07:07 -!- Node_188 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:08:01 * SamB should really do that one of these years ... 23:08:47 i just store everything important online >.> 23:08:55 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:09:02 which is probably even less safe but 23:10:31 <|amethyst> Power_On_Hours: 39336 23:10:49 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2750-g50e5d33: New panlord tiles (denzi, 4888) 10(58 minutes ago, 13 files, 12+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=50e5d330369b 23:10:49 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2751-gf293354: Armour edits (roctavian, 6763) 10(55 minutes ago, 5 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f293354669c3 23:10:49 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2752-g7457a92: Monster edits (roctavian, 6763) 10(49 minutes ago, 14 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7457a92ca2aa 23:10:49 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-2753-g3166c96: Weapons (roctavian, 6763) 10(15 minutes ago, 36 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3166c9642d0a 23:11:04 <|amethyst> probably should have replaced the drive once that got to 35000 or so 23:11:40 -!- Ystah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:15 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:14 <|amethyst> oh, xfsdump ran out of memory... xfs_copy it is 23:21:57 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:23:19 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:25:13 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:14 reading through tavern it has dawned on me that you can guess pretty accurately how popular a branch is based on how many of my tiles are in it 23:29:31 i.e. more ontoclasm = less popularity 23:29:36 What? 23:32:12 the two branches for which i did the walls and floors: labyrnith and crypt 23:32:49 Haha 23:32:54 -!- soundlst has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:32:57 conversely i've basically never touched anything in orc or lair 23:33:01 I am pretty sure any complaints one has about labyrinths has nothing to do with the walls 23:33:04 Which are excellent 23:33:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:33:41 But worry not, sprucing up Crypt is on my 0.13 to-do list anyway :P 23:33:46 (And Labs too, would be nice) 23:34:24 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:24 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:52:11 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:18 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:27 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:59:31 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]