00:00:14 The monster behavior code has so many paths through it that it's really unclear exactly what's going on half the time 00:00:17 To me, at least 00:01:03 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1672-gc46dff1: Fix Mantis 6541: Fix wording of Shatter description. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c46dff13ba9f 00:01:05 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1672-gc46dff1 (34) 00:12:23 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:12:53 -!- sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:28:48 -!- Alucard__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:36:26 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 00:38:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:40:03 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:42:02 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:43 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:38 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:48:53 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 00:54:25 -!- valrus has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:56:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:59:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:28 -!- CampinSam has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:18 -!- G-Flex has quit [] 01:13:19 -!- stubblyhead has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:14:27 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:04 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:28 -!- _dd is now known as Guest63440 01:22:58 -!- Alucardclung has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:25:07 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:48 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:32:09 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:47 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:59 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:39:35 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:03 demonblade the Axe Maniac (L14 MiBe) ASSERT(!at_branch_bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 533 failed on turn 4620. 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This flag means it's _harmless_ decor. You want monsters to actively try to destroy the bomb, ie, having it be a regular monster friendly to the player. And if you somehow want to keep bombs as firewood, failing test/monster-plant-pathfind.lua.disabled is something that might be related. 07:31:35 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 07:31:56 !tell DracoOmega so here's your problem: declaring the bomb as "firewood". This flag means it's _harmless_ decor. You want monsters to actively try to destroy the bomb, ie, having it be a regular monster friendly to the player. 07:31:56 kilobyte: OK, I'll let DracoOmega know. 07:32:09 !tell DracoOmega And if you somehow want to keep bombs as firewood, failing test/monster-plant-pathfind.lua.disabled is something that might be related. 07:32:09 kilobyte: OK, I'll let DracoOmega know. 07:36:22 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 07:36:22 -!- raistware has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:39:15 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:54:25 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:01:04 -!- Damrod has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:07:31 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 08:10:24 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:11:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:14 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:23 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:19:33 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:42 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:26:12 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:26:49 -!- yesss has quit [Client Quit] 08:32:04 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 08:33:24 -!- fakejdpage has quit [Changing host] 08:33:32 -!- fakejdpage is now known as jdpage 08:34:55 -!- jdpage is now known as realjdpage 08:36:52 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:37:02 MarvinPA: I guess there's no reason to forbid Contam on the faerie dragon armour now, right? 08:37:17 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:38:02 the old reason was "so why the Enchantress is not a mutated wreck?", which is not a concern if she can just keep the thing worn 08:39:25 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39:39 kilobyte: have you ever seen the fairy branch in crawl alternative by the way? It's amusing how similar it is to our forest/spriggans 08:40:18 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:40:43 I'm not even sure what "crawl alternative" you're talking about :/ 08:40:52 ?? crawlt 08:40:52 crawl alternative[1/4]: A very old (pre-Stone-Soup) and apparently abandoned fork of Crawl: http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/crawl-alternative/ 08:41:09 I played through it, it's pretty bad but has some crazy stuff 08:41:29 you mean pretty amazing 08:41:43 local global for president in 2016 08:42:08 glad to see greensnark supports local global 08:42:22 It's entertaining 08:42:55 I hear mikee likes local global 08:44:10 -!- bastira has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:51:30 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:54:58 quite a few of changes there sound like good ideas 08:55:32 -!- Zermako has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:01:28 -!- ark___ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:28 -!- anidude has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:04 -!- chris-oelmueller has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:28 -!- chris-oelmueller is now known as Guest11522 09:05:02 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:53 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:07:47 -!- ToastyP has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- ark__ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- ZombieChicken has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- Lasse- has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- NeremWorld has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- voker57 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- odiv has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- ToBeFree has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- Porost has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- Duke- has quit [*.net *.split] 09:07:48 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [*.net *.split] 09:08:27 -!- SoulOfTheInterne has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:13 -!- ark___ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:09:24 -!- Guest11522 is now known as ChrisOelmueller 09:10:27 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:11:25 -!- Duke- has quit [*.net *.split] 09:11:25 -!- Lasse- has quit [*.net *.split] 09:13:45 -!- Porost_ is now known as Porost 09:13:50 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:17:15 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:33 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:20:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:20:36 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 09:26:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:27:39 -!- u is now known as Guest37390 09:29:00 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:29:34 -!- Guest37390 has quit [Client Quit] 09:32:25 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 09:41:00 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:35 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:45 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:47:04 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 09:55:10 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:00:04 -!- Zifmia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:02 -!- YurGa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:05:47 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:22 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:14:45 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:59 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:14 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:00 !seen frogbotherer 10:30:00 I last saw frogbotherer at Sun Jan 13 22:08:02 2013 UTC (3d 18h 21m 58s ago) quitting with message Remote host closed the connection. 10:31:09 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:19 -!- SamB__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:57 -!- SamB_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:33 st_: do you support local global 10:39:07 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:39:23 -!- bastira has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:40:31 -!- SoulOfTheInterne is now known as ToBeFree 10:43:40 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:27 -!- CampinSam has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:15 -!- Fusha has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:16 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:49:50 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:52 of course I do 10:56:36 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:59:59 sounds intriguing, but i haven't seen it in action 11:00:15 i wonder how much stuff it'd break 11:01:17 roughly everything 11:04:14 -!- Tree_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:05:08 Two Zot stair vaults and a Snake rune vault (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6542) by sgrunt 11:07:44 <|amethyst> Grunt: you know, you could just commit them to trunk and wait for kilobyte to revert if he disapproves :P 11:07:45 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:08:25 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:08:26 <|amethyst> err, "revert them" 11:09:04 <|amethyst> I don't think kilobyte is capable of turning back into a fetus or anything like that. Though that would be an interesting superpower. 11:09:37 <|amethyst> Maybe that's where old orb guardians come from. 11:12:36 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:17:13 <|amethyst> OT: if they give university instructors teaching assistants, why can't they give us paperwork assistants too? 11:17:33 <|amethyst> I guess they don't trust grad students to do the paperwork properly :/ 11:17:57 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:18:12 |amethyst: wrt the monster spells revert, note how many of these spells have been since removed for players as well :p 11:18:12 <|amethyst> My class should be calmed down a bit in a few weeks, and I'll be able to get back to bugfixing 11:18:15 outsource it to china 11:18:46 also, the spells lacked tracers, and even those which did have them (like Refrigeration) are in a quite desperate need of a rewrite from scratch 11:19:18 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I'm not complaining, you did what you had to do 11:20:00 I guess that's in a good part because like 30-40 spells were coded by Grunt in like two days 11:20:21 well, it _could_ be interpreted as a personal attack, I hope it didn't look like one 11:21:23 <|amethyst> kilobyte: Grunt's still interested in re-adding some of those; perhaps you could discuss in more detail the problems and how you think they should be fixed 11:21:38 <|amethyst> kilobyte: (plural "you") 11:22:22 <|amethyst> I know he mentioned passwall recently 11:22:24 I'd say, let's finish up those which are currently in game (mostly Refrig) 11:23:11 also because monsters can't fully use rods of venom, due to lack of Toxic Radiance (which is a clone of Refrig) 11:23:15 <|amethyst> that's also his spell, right? 11:23:22 <|amethyst> monster Refrig 11:23:43 also there, but I did not port it because it has serious code quality issues 11:24:08 everything that's wrong in monster Refrig, plus friendly fire issues, plus massive code duplication 11:24:49 <|amethyst> I forget, are the monster refrig problems in Mantis? 11:25:04 not sure 11:25:06 -!- anidude has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:26:04 -!- ark___ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:29 issues with a lack of proper tracer, if I remember correctly 11:29:12 -!- ark__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:30:12 <|amethyst> kilobyte: he might not be aware of the precise issues, especially with his long-ish hiatus... probably worth bringing up with him 11:31:57 good idea, he seems to be back 11:31:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:49 -!- SamB__ is now known as SamB 11:37:00 -!- realjdpage is now known as dyslexicdjpage 11:41:18 -!- anubiscrapfoobis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:51 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:46 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:44:00 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 11:45:31 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:52:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:57:28 -!- Elkan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:42 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:36 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:01:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 12:02:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:26 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 12:04:26 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:12 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:24:36 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:26:34 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:28:50 -!- domiryuu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:28 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:00 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:29 -!- Elkan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:35 kilobyte: Thanks for that, though I had already figured out that prisms accidentally being firewood was the core of the problem regarding them 12:34:35 DracoOmega: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:34:52 However, the issue still affects REAL firewood and probably shouldn't. The fix there seems quite a bit harder, though 12:35:03 -!- Mottie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:51 As currently monster movement code seems to consider plants no more desireable to try moving through than walls 12:37:09 Or not much, anyway 12:38:06 fr monster that desperately wants to move through walls 12:38:12 its life ambition 12:39:58 perhaps we could give a square that's taken by a plant a weight of 100 times a floor one? 12:40:22 not sure if all places that should use weighting (shallow water, etc) use it already 12:40:39 The issue is not with the pathfinding code, as far as I can tell 12:40:48 This is happening when it thinks it doesn't NEED the pathfinding code 12:41:18 It sees a straight line towards the player. But then when it determines which adjacent squares in can move to, it simply considers the plant the same as a wall 12:41:29 So it sees no good move to make towards the player 12:41:53 The problem with making firewood good moves here is that it makes the monster attack them even when an open space DOES exist to the side of the plant 12:42:20 At first brush (and I may be missing something), it almost seems like two tiers of 'good move' are needed here 12:42:25 Rather than just a binary distinction 12:42:57 So that firewood can be categorized as a 'better' move than walls, but still only used when an even better move than THAT does not present itself 12:43:02 -!- Elkan has quit [Quit: Quitte] 12:43:22 * Grunt returns. 12:44:17 |amethyst, I'm mainly trying to get a better feel of what should be polished further if anything before those land so that I don't annoy players coming across them for the first time too much. 12:45:22 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:16 Maybe I'll land the Snake vault first, as I'm rather more confident about that one than the other two. 12:48:03 -!- codile has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:48:21 -!- purge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:18 -!- pere_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:03:36 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:32 -!- some_gy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:09:10 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:40 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1673-gbabae34: Give mirror damage its own kill_method_type 10(63 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=babae3465b10 13:16:40 03MarvinPA 07* 0.12-a0-1674-g83d83db: Don't give abyss spawning messages when detecting mimics 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=83d83db78d8b 13:18:25 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:25:01 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29:36 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:36 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 13:29:36 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is back, in time for tournament play! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 13:29:46 -!- Guz has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:29:56 any way to slow the tv down by 100x? 13:30:07 -!- ekix has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:30:15 -!- jarpiain has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:30:37 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:39 -!- localhost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31:00 -!- jarpiain is now known as Guest37141 13:33:28 -!- krynn has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:33:29 -!- krynn` is now known as krynn 13:34:31 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34:39 -!- sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:35:03 -!- Sobieck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37:12 Pacra: try termplay or perhaps ipbt 13:37:12 termplay has a good backend but buggy to the level of uselessness user interface (and I never got around to fix it), ipbt might barely be usable on modern hardware (needed around 60 seconds to load 1MB of ttyrec on Pentium 4 machines; Crawl produces ttyrecs bigger by a bit more than an order of magnitude than nethack due to scrolling and LOS) 13:37:12 s/buggy/is buggy/ 13:37:29 er, disregard last correction 13:37:43 * kilobyte goes to bonk a wall for a bit or something. 13:39:56 You see here a buggy correction. 13:40:02 thanks, kilobyte 13:40:09 if you don't mind java, try jettyplay 13:40:52 hm, as sky was running a script for about 300k+ turns to autoplay pan for him, I'm not too keen now on watching it :P 13:40:58 but I'll keep the suggestions in mind 13:41:04 latest version even has an avi export: http://patch-tag.com/r/ais523/jettyplay/snapshot/current/content/pretty 13:41:30 that's pretty spiffy 13:41:43 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120715100958]] 13:41:47 also if you don't mind ais523's idea of UI design :P 13:42:06 * Grunt shudders. 13:42:15 elliott: it's better than acehack and nh4 13:42:31 and if it is ME who's saying that, it must be true 14:01:10 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:15 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:02:20 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:21 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 14:03:33 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:08:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:52 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:24:39 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 14:26:19 -!- night_time has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:30:11 03HangedMan 07* 0.12-a0-1675-g6ef4816: Flavour vault transparency/mini-floating/extrafying, D decor 10(19 hours ago, 12 files, 399+ 293-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ef481642244 14:38:12 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 14:39:12 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:48:47 -!- kek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:48 -!- mspo has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:29 hi, I'm having build issues relating to curses on netbsd 14:49:49 do I need ncurses? 14:52:20 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:46 -!- shirish_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:55 -!- shirish_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:55:27 mspo: I believe so? 14:55:27 * Grunt checks. 14:55:41 Yes. 14:55:50 okay 14:55:57 now to convince the makefile to find it :) 14:57:05 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:59:12 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:05:02 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05:49 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:58 mspo: ncurses no, ncursesw yes 15:06:04 they're mostly separate 15:06:15 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 15:06:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:04 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:17:44 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:18:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:18:29 I'll keep at it. 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The ssh session dies... 16:58:35 -!- helsbecter1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:20 greensnark: nice ascii art 17:00:41 -!- helsbecter has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:11 -!- helsbecter1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:43 -!- helsbecter has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:30 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:10:58 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:05 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:11 -!- st_ has quit [] 17:33:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:33 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Friends help you move. 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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6545) by pivotal 18:18:01 they could probably just get known tele traps, yeah 18:18:04 btw, re 0006544, runes being on autopickup would be annoying IMO 18:18:05 because they will just be an altar without anything else 18:18:12 because you very often want to tele before picking up the rune 18:18:16 or a square with 4 holes cut in it 18:18:25 so you have to turn autopickup off before stepping on it 18:18:34 except there'll usually be monsters around so you'll forget to except for the one time you don't or whatever 18:18:37 deleting them was much easier than looking up the des syntax 18:18:41 or have known tele traps 18:18:44 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:18:47 or have known tele traps 18:18:57 faze: that altar has plenty of random features 18:19:01 unfortunately, i am unfamiliar with des syntax. 18:19:06 i do know how to delete stuff though 18:19:06 well if you're not going to actually put any effort into a patch maybe don't submit a patch :P 18:19:57 well, if kilobyte is arguing for keeping the xom vault with meph clouds in it, i doubt my patch would be accepted anyways 18:19:58 i think pretty much all of the ones in there would be fine with just known traps? since they're just flavour vaults anyway 18:20:05 yes 18:20:16 can i just change 'tele trap' to 'known tele trap' 18:20:23 i guess i could test it.. 18:20:26 dangit marvinpa 18:20:29 :) 18:20:48 (and yeah i'm pretty sure it is that) 18:20:57 cool, i will try it out. 18:24:18 -!- imantor has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:26:40 -!- casmith789 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:42 -!- casmith789 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:17 -!- mivue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:12 -!- helsbecter1 is now known as Helsbecter 18:31:39 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:06 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:38:50 -!- bzar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:41:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:03 -!- crawl104 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:33 -!- mamga_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:46:43 -!- Sobieck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47:30 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:37 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:52:50 MarvinPA: alright, I went through and changed the bad tele traps to known tele traps 18:53:00 i also wrote a better commit message and uploaded the patch. 18:53:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1677-g213b1b4: Let checkwhite eradicate BOMs it finds. 10(25 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=213b1b475fc0 18:53:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1678-g4d90ed3: Hide bitmaskness of options.autopickups 10(8 days ago, 3 files, 12+ 11-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d90ed349f17 18:53:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1679-g2ff836b: Don't special-case the desc of Boris' regeneration. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ff836b27c72 18:53:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1680-g9fe4449: A pair of tools to operate on just keys or values of a db file. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 57+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fe444914810 18:53:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1681-gfbf32be: Spelchekarize polish descs. 10(12 minutes ago, 4 files, 22+ 22-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbf32be354af 18:53:13 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1682-gdd09c77: We don't talk about secret doors here. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd09c771eced 18:53:17 MarvinPA: thanks for the push towards a higher quality patch :) 18:53:40 cool, i should sleep but i'll take a look tomorrow if nobody else has done 18:54:07 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:54:13 MarvinPA: ok cool, sounds good. 19:00:13 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 19:01:33 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:08:54 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 19:10:32 -!- sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:13:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:53 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:16:04 beh, Google Translate to polish is some bad joke (basically, doesn't do any grammar or inflection) 19:16:13 here goes my idea to save some work :( 19:16:29 could be useful for non-inflected languages, though 19:16:43 -!- peppermilne has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:16:56 -!- ark___ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:18:06 <|amethyst> probably not, it'd have problems with word order then :) 19:18:39 <|amethyst> OT: so apparently I've been sending so much email the past week or so that my ISP started greylisting my outgoing mail 19:18:46 Wow 19:18:49 <|amethyst> first week of class and all 19:19:03 Big class? 19:19:34 <|amethyst> 150-ish, but I'm not sending individual emails to each student or anything like that 19:19:48 <|amethyst> six TAs, and I *am* sending individual emails to them 19:19:58 Well, 150 qualifies as pretty large compared to what I'm used to at my university 19:20:35 I think the largest class I was ever in was maybe 50-ish? And most are quite a bit smaller than that 19:22:13 -!- zardo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:24:36 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:28:03 <|amethyst> This is CS 2 at a 23000+ student university 19:28:05 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:28:36 <|amethyst> I have friends who teach math classes with 200+ students 19:29:05 <|amethyst> sorry, "maths" 19:29:19 <|amethyst> I sometimes forget which dialect to use where 19:29:36 Well, my university is still around 16,000 large 19:29:44 But some of the departments are not that large 19:30:34 My own in particular (linguistics) had lots of undergraduate classes with fewer than 20 people in them 19:30:37 <|amethyst> only the intro classes are that large, and in CS they're broken into lab sections of about 20 student each; only the lectures are huge 19:33:13 <|amethyst> the only linguistics course I took was a crosslisted undergrad/grad class, and it had about 20 students 19:33:48 If you get into the actual GRAD courses, I had several with just 3 or 4 students :P 19:34:08 Our classroom was the professor's office 19:34:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:34:18 <|amethyst> that was probably a bit of a fluke, though, because it was a Sanskrit so had a lot of non-majors (like me) taking it 19:34:49 <|amethyst> listed as sanskrit, but of course half the class was proto-IE 19:35:04 Well, those historical linguistics have their proclivities.... 19:35:08 linguists* 19:35:36 <|amethyst> what are you working on? 19:36:15 <|amethyst> (prepares to link to XKCD :) 19:36:18 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:36:27 My own thesis stuff, you mean? 19:36:31 <|amethyst> yeah 19:37:09 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37:18 Well, it's essentially a variationist sociolinguistic study of language use in World of Warcraft 19:38:16 Looking at both the ideas of linguistic agency as it relates to character choice, as well as the application of certain automation techniques to data collection and coding 19:38:50 -!- Roy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:39:44 The vast majority of sociolinguistic work still uses entirely manual data extraction and coding. I've looked at using some natural language processing techniques to allow working on certain larger bodies of data 19:40:18 Exchanging some degree of per-datum accuracy for the benefits of much larger sample sizes 19:43:45 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:56 By the way, it is intentional that the lurking horror's drain does no damage? 19:48:13 terrifying xp loss 19:48:36 I mean, it possibly should not do damage, given the torment, but I still ask 19:49:08 (Since I am making Lugonu protect against zymes and stars and these, currently, so that they don't all hit you when you use corruption) 19:49:43 i sort of assumed it did but apparently didn't think to check it last time i was messing with them 19:50:02 it probably ought to either do damage or not exist 19:50:06 Yes, probably 19:50:33 elliptic said that the protection Lugonu gives against wretched starlight and the zyme aura should also allow to lurking horrors, since it's quite likely that some will immediately explode upon using corruption 19:51:01 Was wondering if that should only cover the torment end of things (since that doesn't even require you to be near what set them off) or both 19:51:22 probably just the torment would be fine, if the draining continues to exist 19:51:26 Yes 19:51:33 That's why I noticed it did no damage, though :P 19:51:38 heh 19:51:40 can we make the draining not exist? 19:52:09 Perhaps the explosion graphic should be different then, though. Because it's sort of misleading 19:52:10 i am fine with that 19:52:22 the explosion graphic should be nonexistent :P 19:52:34 it is already misleading really 19:52:37 So... no visual for it at all? 19:52:49 Well, it is currently misleading if it does no damage, yes. I think most people assumed it did 19:52:55 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:52:56 it can have the same visual as torment 19:53:00 (i.e. none) 19:53:04 Yes, this is fine. I was just asking. 19:53:09 ie half your hp disappearing :P 19:53:36 but what if you're undead and don't notice why other monsters suddenly have half health 19:53:54 or you could make a radius 8 explosion 19:54:01 That's fun looking 19:54:16 (I saw a few of those the other day as a side-effect of temporarily disabling fulminant prism fuses) 19:54:23 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: v. cool. I was hoping it was comp ling so I could link http://xkcd.com/114/ 19:54:26 Evidently the radius did not stop expanding, even if they wouldn't blow up on their own :P 19:54:29 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: I'm off 19:54:39 See ya! 19:54:46 I don't actually know what a radius 8 explosion looks like 19:54:49 wizmode reasons: radius 8 glowsplosions 19:54:50 full los explosions are fun 19:54:51 so use your judgment 19:55:16 fun as in "probably shouldn't be used except for xom chaos thing" though :P 19:55:24 Yes, they are slightly slow to display 19:55:29 how are they different from Refrig or the like? 19:55:38 (except for no slowdown) 19:55:52 Well, glyphs/tiles used instead of just color, for one thing 19:55:52 just the slow was what i was thinking of 19:56:07 the glowsplosions are all random colours 19:56:49 Either way, I'll take the draining bit away while I'm at this patch here. And I should take the whole animation away as well? (Or maybe just flash black?) 19:57:27 a screen flash could work, i don't feel strongly either way i guess 19:57:34 Yeah, neither do I 19:57:43 Damn indifference :P 19:57:52 heh 19:58:23 fr glowsplosion god 19:58:29 piety for contam, protects against some of the bad glowsplosion effects 19:59:21 That sounds hilarious 19:59:38 Also, new contam on randarts is a preemptive nerf to this god!! 20:00:10 no it's not because 20:00:13 you can wield and unwield repeatedly 20:00:16 it's a buff!! 20:00:18 no need to wait around 20:00:33 I guess you'd get an ability to glowsplode early 20:00:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 20:01:07 Does glow have a theoretical limit that isn't something rediculously high, incidentally? 20:02:19 -!- forgottenwizard is now known as ZombieChicken 20:02:22 could only reach it with max duration finesse and haste + stasis, I think 20:02:36 DracoOmega: I am pretty sure you can glow to the limits of the integer if you have ideal conditions 20:02:40 and the RNG likes you maybe 20:02:53 Wait, finesse gives you glow? 20:03:22 with stasis 20:03:31 Oh, you just meant the glow you get for forcibly ending it 20:03:37 yes 20:03:52 For a sec I was wondering if it caused glow on its own, and found it odd I had not noticed this 20:03:59 (max duration was wizmode &^D max duration) 20:04:20 -!- odiv_ is now known as odiv 20:07:27 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 20:10:58 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:12:13 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 20:13:05 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:18:09 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:19:59 Should this star/zyme/horror protection be mentioned on the god screen somehow? 20:21:15 seems kind of marginal 20:21:21 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:21:25 It already doesn't mention that he helps you find the rune faster 20:21:28 you could make it give messages like "lugonu protects you from blah blah", not like corruption isn't already spammy 20:21:30 -!- Helsbecter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:50 Oh, well there is a protection message for stars and horrors currently. I don't see a way to do it for zymes without being amazingly spammy 20:21:56 Since it triggers every turn 20:22:32 -!- helsbecter has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:48 Like, the way it's currently set up, it uses whether or not the player is sickened to change whether it repeats these messages. So if you're NOT sickened, it has no way to tell that you've been standing in the aura already for several turns 20:24:30 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:06 wouldn't it be easier to just never spawn abyssals outside the Abyss? 20:27:17 Corruption? 20:27:29 That's the main place this is an issue (and it's an annoying one there) 20:27:39 you're not in the Abyss 20:27:45 ...and? 20:27:52 at least some of those can be problematic 20:28:08 maelstroms 20:28:21 not like they do much more then the original corruption but 20:28:31 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:28:36 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:01 Maelstroms possibly aside, it seems silly to me that corruption would not pull abyssals with it, given that this is sort of the fundamental theme of the ability 20:29:29 And I don't see that most of them are especially problematic mechanically to encounter outside the abyss, either 20:31:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:31:44 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 20:32:17 zymes magically not sickening you, wretched stars not wretching... 20:32:48 Um... it's not exactly like it's odd for a god to protect you from things. Especially things under their own aegis 20:34:29 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:36:41 the whole point of corruption flavour-wise is bringing the abyss to you, no? 20:37:58 Lugonu doesn't protect you against that ancient lich walking in the Abyss, either 20:38:22 The ancient lich also doesn't irrestably hit you from anywhere on screen the moment it shows up 20:38:45 also, monsters with area effects that affect other monsters are problematic in a crowd 20:38:48 Zymes and stars and such can still attack you. Lugonu is just protecting you from being NEAR them 20:39:00 especially maelstroms 20:40:09 they are acceptable in the Abyss only because they can't have a permanent effect 20:40:49 Well, corruption already messes up the terrain of a level pretty strongly. But I could still see an argument for excluding them for that reason 20:46:25 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:47:20 what do maelstroms do? 20:48:14 They turn walls into spatial vorticies when they bump into them, I think? 20:49:03 They're already special-cased not to follow you out of the abyss, I believe. But maybe corruption can still make them? I'm not sure. 20:49:21 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-1683-gf61b974: grunt_snake_rune_pools (part of #6542). 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 50+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f61b974c6626 20:49:24 Have Lugonu protect the player from the LoS effects of some creatures summoned by corruption (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6546) by DracoOmega 20:49:26 if they can't follow you out of the abyss then having corruption not make them sounds pretty reasonable 20:49:58 Yeah 20:50:04 since I interpret that as "this creature cannot survive outside the abyss proper" 20:50:11 Yeah, that does seem sensible 20:50:17 I agree with that logic. 20:58:32 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:59:40 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:43 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:09:55 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:12:13 -!- hart has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:14:22 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:15:10 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:15:19 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:21 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:25:07 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:36 Grunt: grunt_profane_halls has more draconians in it than I kill in most wins 21:28:21 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:12 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:36 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:55 counting draconians killed in dump: 34 21:37:07 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:37:15 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:31 -!- Nabski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:46:44 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 21:50:31 -!- scrubnubs is now known as scrubnub 21:51:29 -!- rkd has quit [] 21:55:06 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:55:42 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:55:55 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:01:27 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:07:50 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:09:32 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 22:11:01 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:11:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:13:43 -!- ebarrett has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:11 -!- Twinge has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:33 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:53 <|amethyst> Grunt, HangedMan: Does interest_check() have to be defined in two places? I thought the global prelude stuff was all in the same namespace anyway 22:22:54 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:23:05 |amethyst, I've always been under the impression that it works on a per-file thing. 22:23:18 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: I've killed the senator.] 22:23:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: I may be wrong, I often am 22:23:50 |amethyst, I remember discovering this when working on what was then orb_chamber_grunt_hallway or whatever it was. 22:24:00 <|amethyst> but I thought I vaguely remembered some namespace collision problems in the past 22:25:26 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:28:05 so 22:28:17 is there any consensus on the shield tiles thing 22:28:46 ontoclasm, I am officially indifferent <_< 22:28:50 i've been wanting to commit denzi's qwarves but holding off on account of the shields 22:28:56 as am i 22:29:12 Oh, someone was working on new qwarves? 22:29:17 it seems like having removable shield tiles, while theoretically nice, opens about 16 cans of worms 22:29:38 they're hardly new, he made em like 4 months ago 22:29:46 todo: send denzi the spec for the DDEE unique to get a tile for it :b 22:29:55 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:29:59 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6222 22:32:24 Speaking of uniques, I realised something shortly after finishing up that Snake rune ending. 22:32:37 ...we have uniques that feature in the other three rotating lair branches, but not Snake. 22:33:00 (Swamp -> Lernaean hydra, Spider -> Arachne, Shoals -> Ilsuiw, Polyphemus) 22:33:59 I also don't think we have any naga uniques. <_< 22:34:22 do it 22:34:25 Lamia 22:34:29 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:34:37 or perhaps Lilith 22:34:37 Brilliant. 22:38:16 also, https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6737 is full of terrible ideas, but 22:38:31 a monster that releases several smaller monsters when killed actually sounds kinda cool 22:38:45 <|amethyst> ouorobos 22:38:49 <|amethyst> err 22:38:54 <|amethyst> ouoroboros 22:39:09 <|amethyst> s/uor/ur/ # dammit 22:39:23 ouroboros? 22:39:26 <|amethyst> it's worse than banana 22:39:31 <|amethyst> yes 22:39:33 |amethyst: it just keeps going in circles? 22:39:36 snakepocalypse 22:40:03 -!- xxunrealxx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:14 Perhaps I'll try to think up specs for both. 22:40:31 Jormungandr 22:40:32 <|amethyst> enshrine the layout overwrite bug by making a completely open snake:5 22:40:39 Haha. 22:40:40 <|amethyst> Snakes on a Plane 22:40:51 :/ 22:41:41 Samuel L. Jackson, Lv27 HuFi*Trog 22:41:46 ontoclasm, he might be a little big to fit in the dungeon :b 22:41:48 s/he/it/ 22:42:10 <|amethyst> You see here a bag of holding. It says "Bad Motherfucker". 22:42:14 Haha. 22:42:36 !gamesby samuelljackson 22:42:38 No games for samuelljackson. 22:42:58 a travesty 22:42:58 <|amethyst> if you're going to register that, do it in all uppercase 22:43:14 <|amethyst> so you can use it for a dieselrobin 22:43:23 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:43:59 indeed 22:44:28 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:45:32 crash reading fear while mesmerized (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6547) by scrubnub 22:50:05 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:58:39 -!- shirish has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:12 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:04:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:44 -!- myp has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:17 -!- Ryak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:28:37 -!- BunnehWyld has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:34:06 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:42 ontoclasm, |amethyst: here's a really quick mockup for a starting point: 23:34:45 http://pastebin.com/zLWHpggL 23:36:24 (Spell set subject to revision; I'd love to add OTR if I get around to merging / cleaning up the other area-of-effect monster spells so that it can be added properly.) 23:37:35 (Well, everything else subject to revision too. :b) 23:37:37 Honestly? That feels a bit TOO much like a greater naga to me. If you're going to make a naga unique, it should feel distinctly different than the others, I think 23:37:50 (Also, if you're going for Lamia, I feel it probably should mesmerize :P) 23:37:59 That thought had crossed my mind, yes. :b 23:38:04 looks good 23:38:14 (That was the basic idea behind adding Confuse as a spell...) 23:38:21 maybe OTR? 23:38:36 I just mentioned OTR, haha. 23:38:40 since all her buddies will be immune 23:38:43 oh 23:38:46 reading! 23:38:50 okay, does anyone here know what is up with layouts destroying vaults 23:38:58 since it just completely mangled gloorx's vault 23:39:09 and it would be great to fix this 23:39:23 elliptic, show me? 23:39:29 I theorise that it's something specific to one or two layouts. 23:39:32 Grunt: USETHEWAND, on cszo 23:39:39 yes, I've only seen it in this layout maybe 23:39:59 Huh. 23:40:36 those missing walls inside were all rock I think 23:40:46 basically it removed all the rock inside the main rectangle 23:40:51 -!- y2s82 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:40:58 so the parts of the vault outside the rectangle were untouched 23:41:37 I'll poke around a bit tomorrow, seeing as I'm off to go sleep :| 23:41:45 -!- ponies_ has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 23:42:55 Honestly, I'd be tempted to give Lamia a damage focus other than poison, just since most of the rest of the branch already does plenty of that 23:43:17 -!- geedmat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:44:40 -!- purge_ has quit [Quit: .] 23:46:16 lightning! 23:51:33 -!- sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:54:38 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:57:44 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:45 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev