00:02:00 i'll leave it to dudes who are better at coding than I 00:02:23 cannot possibly imagine who you could be thinking of 00:03:25 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1638-g8968c45 (34) 00:03:33 elliott: it'd be harder to find someone who -doesn't- fit that description 00:04:26 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:05:06 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1638-g8968c45 (34) 00:06:10 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1639-gc17a272: Rod of the Swarm tile. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c17a272c4f84 00:06:13 the problem is that it's calling tileidx_known_base_item to find out what base tile to use 00:06:59 but rods don't actually have descriptions like every other kind of item; their tile is just straight from item.rnd 00:10:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:13:18 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:14:07 http://pastebin.com/1r96KKrp 00:14:09 I am insane 00:15:00 you are a bad man 00:15:11 \woman 00:15:57 nan 00:15:59 *man 00:16:53 -!- Psyknux_ has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 00:17:14 The horrible idea behind it is that you basically either blow up all the stars and risk getting a layer change, apport the rune, or do a blind charge in to grab it and hope to god you aren't mutated THAT badly 00:17:40 (Could be worse; the initial idea was shining eyes before I realized how dumb that was) 00:18:24 fr: killing a wretched star has a %x chance to immediately abyss-shift you 00:19:12 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1639-gc17a272 00:20:09 Point is, the idea is you basically get crippled for a while in exchange for getting the rune 00:24:15 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:08 http://pastebin.com/yt8hKCVj 00:30:07 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:37:14 -!- sk3 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:38:02 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:38:09 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:56 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 00:44:08 -!- ktgrey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:11 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:57:27 -!- domiryuu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:24 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 01:29:00 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:30:51 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:32:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Seiba, here I come] 01:37:40 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 01:44:20 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:49:39 !tell Lightli That vault is evil. 01:49:40 bh: OK, I'll let Lightli know. 01:52:38 needs more wretched stars 01:52:57 eight prisons instead of four 01:53:48 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:54:33 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:56:25 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:57:18 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:19 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:02:21 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: say g'night stimpy] 02:04:36 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:04 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:42 -!- eb has quit [] 02:19:42 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 02:25:28 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:08 -!- amourousBadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:26:56 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:42:16 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:46:00 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:51:13 -!- Parak_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:54:15 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:54:16 -!- Psyknux is now known as Zephryn 02:55:40 -!- bza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:13 -!- vogonpeot has quit [Client Quit] 02:58:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:03:23 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:05:02 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:06:12 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:07:12 -!- crazedpsyc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:08:05 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:08:59 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:12:38 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:14:33 -!- Cab_ is now known as Guest98947 03:17:48 -!- Stelpa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:08 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:56 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:32:27 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:32:36 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:42:19 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:15 -!- archl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:00:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 04:06:40 -!- animegrampa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:10:44 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:11 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 04:28:28 -!- Guest98947 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:30:17 nooodl: have you been watching the dieselrobin repo blossom 04:30:35 i am currently running a stripped down portion of the site on dieselrobin.org 05:00:08 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:01:59 -!- Elkan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:25 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest76066 05:04:44 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:07:35 faze: nice image 05:14:19 minqmay did a fine job 05:18:23 -!- Dracia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:18:42 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:21:04 i can go write some css for this already, right? 05:34:26 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:38:16 hmm, feature request 05:38:48 make ctrl+x show more stati of the monster, like dazed, confused, etc 05:40:02 faze: sucky image 05:41:26 pouring gas on a bird.. 05:41:53 well, diesel on a robin i presume 05:49:34 Kneeling as a bat (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6523) by ACG 05:49:34 then make it a bird drugged by/high on diesel instead 05:50:12 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:50:35 haha, nice bug 06:02:57 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:35 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:39 -!- mivue has quit [Quit: mivue] 06:08:03 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:08:20 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:15:06 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:15:15 -!- alefury has quit [] 06:16:17 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:16:35 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:24 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:22:11 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:24 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:57 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:43:46 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:51:42 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:00:04 Napkin: i will propose your idea to minqmy 07:03:19 -!- phyphor has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:13:48 -!- Sobieck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:16:04 -!- phyphor has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:38 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:26:59 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:41:57 -!- st_ has quit [] 07:42:05 -!- dieseltime has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54:25 -!- Dunwich has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:01:08 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:38 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:19:46 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:29:58 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 08:43:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:26 <|amethyst> faze: here's one for your American players: http://s-z.org/neil/images/DieselRobin.jpg 08:52:47 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:52:55 <|amethyst> faze: should probably be zoomed out a bit so it doesn't look as terrible 08:57:37 |amethyst: i think that is my favourite image of all time 08:57:54 congrats 08:59:10 <|amethyst> elliott: :) 09:01:28 -!- Zeph has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:01:52 <|amethyst> Vin Diesel will hang around in Shoals and eat all your food 09:01:54 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:04:24 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:07:30 Voker57 (L17 MiGl) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 3757: Placed map 'hangedman_abyss_feature_spike', yet vault_placement is 'evilmike_abyss_exit_kraken' (Abyss:1) 09:08:22 <|amethyst> never seen that one before 09:09:40 oh bloody hell 09:09:41 Zaba: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:09:51 that actually happened 09:11:43 <|amethyst> Zaba: could it be related to Zannick's subvault changes? (03bdcc6 and ab1c68e) 09:12:24 <|amethyst> neither of those has subvaults, though 09:12:33 <|amethyst> so I guess it's more likely inception-related 09:14:58 at some point I wanted to make _build_vault_impl (and _build_{primary,secondary}_vault) just return a pointer to the vault_placement instead of having the callers jump through burning hoops to get to it 09:15:14 but the memory management there is somewhat complicated and so I never got to it 09:15:28 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:16:29 that would've either avoided this bug, or hidden it exceptionally well 09:19:18 |amethyst, ..also, I don't remember a thing about lair endings, sorry ;p 09:21:17 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:22:22 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:30 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:18 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:34 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:12 -!- Elkan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:11 -!- Soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:52:08 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58:42 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:01:43 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:03:31 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:05:32 -!- CabCrawl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:22:08 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23:23 -!- snow__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:26:00 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:32:31 -!- Aryth has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:45 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 10:33:39 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:45 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:34 So... should things like jellies and such be immune to being blinded, or would it be simpler to assume that blindness just renderers inoperative whatever sense they use to 'see' with, even if that does not involve eyes? 10:37:43 DracoOmega: may as well make blinding into a real effect. write a function that checks whether they have eyes 10:38:12 Well, obviously this would entail something like that 10:38:30 Though the fact that invisibility already does SOMETHING to jellies could also imply that they somehow sense things visually, too 10:38:31 btw, remember to make your damage light-flavored 10:39:16 DracoOmega: well probably what 'should' happen is something like telepathy in nethack, where jellies are 'blind' but can sense anything (invis or not) 10:39:42 Well, CURRENTLY being invisible still prevents then from seeing you from long range 10:39:46 right 10:40:05 i wonder about having a senses bitmask in monster definitions 10:40:28 see_invis | sense_motion | smell_blood, etc. 10:40:37 Well, there already is a BLOOD_SCENT flag 10:40:56 (Which various canines have) 10:41:05 (and sharks) 10:41:24 The thing is, in how many other places would the details of monster senses come up? Unless you were planning to revamp how stealth and detection works on the whole. 10:41:30 And the scope of that is a lot bigger than what I'm doing now 10:41:55 DracoOmega: you could use the existing flags field to do it, though personally i'd make it a new field at that point 10:43:18 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:44:13 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 10:48:17 if i were doing monster senses using the flag field i'd want: M_BLIND, M_SEE_INVIS (should be incompatible with blind), and replace M_SENSE_INVIS with maybe something like these: M_ANTENNAE (? range, through walls, like player antennae), M_SENSE_VIBRATION (existing behavior but only against ground-bound?), M_KEEN_HEARING (won't work if silenced), M_SCENT (existing behavior?) 10:49:44 making jellies blind but sense vibration could be interesting - invis would work against no eyes but all jellies, and flight would work against all jellies but no eyes 10:52:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:52:27 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:52:52 Flight making you invisible to things sounds a little bit much, to be honest. At least with how the game is currently structured 11:01:52 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:41 More Vaults (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6524) by Lightli 11:03:13 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:18 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:03:24 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:03:52 <|amethyst> hm, can vault monster names be pluralised? 11:04:41 <|amethyst> might have to add that rule for "chief" and "chef" so they don't become "chieves" and "cheves" 11:06:14 Haha 11:08:02 |amethyst: while you're fixing obscure pluralisation bugs you can make it correctly pluralise hippogrives too!! 11:08:09 In any case, I believe I will leave the list of things that can and cannot be blinded to one side, with this. If it's later felt that needs adjustment, it can be dealt with then. 11:08:15 <|amethyst> elliott: :P 11:08:25 Since I certainly don't want to make any sweeping systemic changes off the bat 11:08:29 will have to remember to use "cheves" as the plural of chef 11:08:37 <|amethyst> elliott: And sensibilitiy -> sensibilities 11:08:38 sounds very fancy 11:10:57 Uh, are there any problems with the vaults? 11:12:31 <|amethyst> are the stars actually evil for most players who'd be going for the rune? 11:14:18 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:16:48 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18:27 should this be uint8_t instead: https://github.com/Eronarn/Crawling-Chaos/commit/36f87fb97fbf20f6ca27972a00cdbea0c84df2c8#L12R4671 11:19:05 amethyst: The idea is they either take them down one by one, apport the rune, or just run for the rune as fast as possible and become shambling wrecks for the next thousand or so turns 11:19:30 <|amethyst> does it really take that long for temporary mutations to wear off? 11:19:46 I don't think so, no 11:19:48 <|amethyst> it didn't seem so in my experience, but then again I didn't have four stars on me at once 11:20:03 Also, they individually wear off faster, the more you have 11:20:36 <|amethyst> so you'd need to make sure there's some danger immediately after getting the rune 11:20:56 (But I think MarvinPA mentioned yesterday that he was going to get around to having a closer look at my wear-off-with-xp-gained patch, so who knows?) 11:21:08 DracoOmega: that is evil 11:21:23 <|amethyst> resting things off is evil 11:21:23 Well, it wasn't actually my idea in the first place! 11:21:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:21:41 amethyst: That makes hell effects good then? 11:21:58 <|amethyst> Lightli: that's part of the reason hell effects exist, anyway 11:22:38 The Vestible is a great place to store loot I guess 11:22:53 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:23:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:25:49 -!- tekoppen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:28:12 bleh, i don't actually have the time to finish up lorcs now :( gotta work on my own game 11:28:36 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:32:25 lorcs? 11:32:39 Lorcoyopas or whatever those things are called? 11:33:11 yes 11:33:16 yes 11:34:51 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:41 -!- keksz has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:42 It was either that or lava orcs 11:35:50 Or magmen or whatever they're called now 11:39:18 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:41:12 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:45:45 they are still called lava orcs 11:51:07 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:11 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 11:57:38 -!- Luterac has quit [] 12:00:08 zzz 12:01:08 hey, where do donations to crawl development go towards? 12:01:20 server costs? 12:04:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:48 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:01 -!- Elkan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:10:46 i don't think they go anywhere, in that there isn't any way to donate :P 12:17:22 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:27:45 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:45 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:34:59 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:40:01 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:41:20 -!- Zifmia has quit [Quit: -a-] 12:47:42 -!- codile has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:48:10 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:47 Automatic targeting sometimes will not target enemies in range with Fireball spell (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6525) by hayenne 13:02:26 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 13:04:51 -!- bhaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:27 -!- faze_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:14 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:09:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- hart has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- faze has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- TEMPTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- marcmagus has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- Celsitudo has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:27 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:29 -!- bonghitz_ is now known as bonghitz 13:10:26 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:13:23 -!- Sobieck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:13:48 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:14:13 -!- plm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:14:13 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:14:38 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:18:12 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:20:07 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:16 Abilities (a) screen missing command information (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6526) by Cab 13:33:04 -!- Grildrak has quit [Client Quit] 13:33:11 -!- StekarDraken has quit [Client Quit] 13:33:18 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:34:19 ZRN (L25 TrFi) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 3757: Placed map 'hangedman_abyss_theft', yet vault_placement is 'bh_abyss_xom_lugonu_altar' (Abyss:1) 13:39:28 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:18 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:42:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 13:42:54 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:06 !messages 13:43:07 No messages for bh. 13:44:01 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 13:45:03 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:45:22 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:45:24 Grunt: could you check #6526 perhaps? 13:49:23 -!- bhaak_ is now known as bhaak 13:50:08 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:53:13 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:03:40 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:00 I see how to fix it - now to figure out why it went away to begin with... 14:07:29 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:38 -!- scummos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:04 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 14:10:41 i asked you because i suspect (without bisecting or anything) that one of your commits broke it 14:11:36 %git 661b8711 14:11:36 03Grunt * 0.12-a0-2-g661b871: Fix crash on pressing ! in console ability menu. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=661b8711b8b6 14:11:39 You're exactly right. 14:12:26 I'm kind of surprised this went unnoticed for so long. 14:14:28 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:16:18 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:20:01 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-1640-g4df41b3: Reinstate note about !/? on abilities screen (#6526). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4df41b39bcc4 14:20:01 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.11 14:20:06 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:23:20 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:26:43 -!- Sobieck_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: im alastor] 14:33:30 i noticed it, but i'm playing 0.11 and expected it to be fixed in trunk... 14:37:08 -!- flun2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:33 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:42:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:18 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:17 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 14:47:21 -!- Lightli has quit [Client Quit] 14:47:37 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:41 _t - an amulet of the gourmand (around neck) 14:47:43 I'm a HOHe 14:48:08 ##crawl-dev doesn't even remotely care, thanks 14:50:20 oops 14:50:22 I thought I was in ##crwal 14:53:15 -!- minqmay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:54 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:54:18 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:00:53 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:03:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:04:00 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:04:03 -!- codile_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 15:05:29 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1641-g471e49c: Constify. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=471e49cfa102 15:05:29 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1642-g028bef3: Tweak message spacing to take up slightly less room in the binary. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=028bef3b7215 15:05:31 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:53 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:06:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11:45 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:17:10 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:17:37 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 15:18:42 !tell bh inception bug: you get the abyss monster spawning message with an It for mimics 15:18:43 HangedMan: OK, I'll let bh know. 15:21:20 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:08 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:29:24 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 15:41:54 Here's my latest insane vault design: 15:41:57 http://pastebin.com/F5EruRbz 15:42:55 (...very rough and unpolished, but the basic concept is there and working.) 15:43:17 HangedMan: 1learn add it? 15:43:42 my poor roulette of golubria, trumped by somebody actually knowing what they're doing 15:44:13 I was mainly working off of the idea of nemelex_the_gamble, and only realised about a third of the way through that it would end up to be similar in principle to the roulette. :b 15:45:26 There's not a heck of a lot of Lua black magic involved here, for that matter. 15:45:29 personally one more killer klown and two more draconians then actually needed for the rooms and I'd prefer to not _always_ take up all of the }s 15:46:08 also wouldn't the dungeon builder have a fit about the intitially blocked-off } 15:46:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:40 !learn add it It assembles itself! 15:46:40 it[28/28]: It assembles itself! 15:46:57 Oh good, now I can remove the non-crawl it. 15:47:11 !learn del it[22] 15:47:12 Deleted it[22/28]: The soldier throws a spear! It is missed. 15:47:30 a good It there yes 15:48:16 HangedMan, what seems to end up happening builder-wise is it will place a stair elsewhere, then place the vault, so. 15:48:22 tisk 15:48:37 I'm probably going to follow the example set by most of the other Zot stair vaults and have it be a ~70% chance of attempting to place all three stairs there. 15:48:45 mm 15:48:54 (todo: go and add that to lemuel_halls_of_wrath, which is the exception) 15:49:48 what happens if somebody comes in from below? 15:50:03 before triggering any of this 15:50:07 They step off the stairs, and the doors open up. 15:50:15 ah 15:50:18 Not the monster doors - the seals. 15:50:52 seems not as fun 15:50:54 The idea is that once you either take one teleport or enter from below, the vault opens up so that you can navigate freely through it. 15:51:03 Eight minivaults. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6527) by Claws 15:51:05 hmm 15:51:37 If I put the player through more than that, it starts messing with navigation and such. 15:51:45 fair enough 15:53:44 Incidentally, this was also partly inspired by my old collection of Zot stair vaults (the ones I'll eventually polish up and finish). 15:53:48 _There is a strange hissing noise. 15:54:06 I'll bet you have a draconian on the teleport exit :| 15:54:10 with the glass or even with noise it is plausible that 15:54:11 yeah 15:54:56 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:18 -!- Sobieck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56:24 also: if one teleports into the killer klown chamber there is a good chance they'll blink onto the other side of the glass 15:56:32 since blink code is dumb? 15:56:44 Point. 15:57:04 I apparently forgot Klowns could blink. 15:57:19 (I was going to put electric golems in, but I remembered that those could blink, so...) 15:57:20 well it'd help if blink code wasn't dumb 15:57:29 (todo: fix blink code :b) 15:57:30 how hard could it be to fix that?? 16:00:04 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:00:47 -!- vogonpoet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:03:11 -!- ZRN has quit [] 16:05:46 * Grunt gets ready to perform some Lua black magic to address the builder problem... 16:07:12 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:02 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:22 -!- Guest76066 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:09:16 Kind of a hack, but it gets the job done - make them floors until the player first sees one of the relevant tiles. 16:09:40 mapping? 16:10:15 That's the only immediate problem I can think of. 16:11:46 It also interacts poorly with the door removal code... 16:11:51 s/door/wall/ 16:13:08 That's really only in the pathological case of someone teleporting directly into the room themselves, though. 16:13:26 I *could* block ctele/rtele, but I think it'll be more fun to find another solution. 16:15:17 ...and I have one, though it's also a bit ugly. 16:15:40 filling the entire stairspace with bats?? 16:15:51 That would be amusing, but no. 16:16:05 It involves a dgn.persist; you can probably imagine the function of it. 16:16:33 Also, s/bats/butterflies/. 16:16:43 oh right, I was going to do the same trick except with imps and the hells 16:16:49 (I really need to implement a chaos butterfly at some point.) 16:17:45 but the standard constantly changing colours won't work with the already one of many colours if you mix them!! 16:18:03 (tiles_reasons) 16:18:25 Just look for the one surrounded by a cloud of chaos. 16:18:38 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:53 (todo: figure out how to attach a fog machine to a monster) 16:19:45 just give chaos butterflies rings of flame except not flames 16:20:06 I want to see if I can do this without resorting to code first. :b 16:22:02 -!- GON_again has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:24:17 -!- Pedjt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25:42 Nivim the Archmage (L27 DrAr) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 3757: Placed map 'hangedman_cross_veins', yet vault_placement is 'hangedman_eye_storm' (Abyss:3) 16:26:05 HangedMan: you broke it! 16:26:30 yes, making abyss vaults much more common and being the main maker of a lot of abyss vaults was sure to backfire on me in some fashion 16:29:23 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:45 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 16:31:43 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:04 -!- purge_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:27 -!- Nightmare is now known as Guest67850 16:39:12 -!- hayenne has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:41:53 03greensnark 07* 0.12-a0-1643-gdad6e4c: Save subvaults, tag vault monsters. 10(16 hours ago, 13 files, 174+ 18-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dad6e4ce9ce1 16:43:02 !lm * abyss:3 crash 16:43:02 1. [2013-01-13 22:25:42] Nivim the Archmage (L27 DrAr) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 3757: Placed map 'hangedman cross veins', yet vault placement is 'hangedman eye storm' (Abyss:3) 16:43:05 !lm * abyss:3 crash -log 16:43:06 1. Nivim, XL27 DrAr, T:170648 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nivim/crash-Nivim-20130113-222542.txt 16:56:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:56:30 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:58:27 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:04:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:08:44 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:12:52 -!- Pepe[netbook] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:13:11 -!- Elkan has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:14:04 -!- Guest67850 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:17:15 03greensnark 07* 0.12-a0-1644-ge113f06: Don't crash if player is teleported by abyss vault placement. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 65+ 57-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e113f0690871 17:17:15 03galehar 07* 0.12-a0-1645-gf8bea7e: Allow toggling stack to expand shop inventory in search results. 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 35+ 18-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8bea7efb507 17:20:57 -!- Kelel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:22:57 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:15 galehar: <3 17:23:29 !tell bh Making all abyssal exit vaults place abyssal stairs leads to vaults conspiciously containing absolutely nothing on abyss:5; maybe functioning it off for a star_item on abyss:$ or something would be suiting since it's mean-spirited to not get an exit when one's looking for exits that deep anyway 17:23:29 HangedMan: OK, I'll let bh know. 17:29:45 -!- alefury has quit [] 17:30:07 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:32:54 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:00 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:38:52 -!- Parak_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:05 how should forms kneel? 17:40:19 jelly: wobble? flatten? 17:40:36 Jelly form? Is that a jiyva ability? 17:41:03 can non-elephant quadrupeds kneel? 17:41:33 Lightli: a dubioud bad_form, the only one implemented but not enabled on that branch 17:41:50 in trunk: bats: no idea 17:41:59 i would assume dragons can, cats have knees, etc. 17:42:13 ice beast why not 17:42:17 "You perch on the altar." 17:42:32 that seems sacriligious 17:42:49 "You land in front of the altar." 17:42:58 sacrilegious * 17:43:19 a cat's knee is on the side of its body, I see no way it could be used to kneel 17:43:36 i suppose it could be something else 17:43:41 "You curl up in front of the altar." 17:44:14 what appears to be a "backwards knee" is really the heel 17:44:35 i don't really know an appropriate verb to describe how cats sit 17:45:04 (and paw is the forward part of the foot) 17:45:12 tengu and black draconians still flying as they pray in front of altars brings amusing images to mind 17:45:12 i know that much about the heel and paw, having researched wolves 17:45:16 Zannick: "sit"? 17:45:38 current trunk has "You sit before the altar.", since the day felids were added 17:45:40 Grunt: like, on their back legs, with their front feet out in front of them 17:45:56 oh, you're suggesting sit 17:45:59 * Zannick shrugs 17:46:18 everything prostrates when it's the altar to the god you're already worshipping 17:46:24 might be good enough for ice beast and hog, perhaps even dragon 17:47:02 what would a wisp even do 17:47:14 no idea if a porcupine has legs long enough to sit properly 17:47:23 "You hover a little lower before the altar." 17:49:29 kilobyte: Will this stop poly wands from mutating us? 17:49:38 If so, implement these forms post-haste 17:49:49 hog form 17:50:32 * kilobyte oinks. 17:51:07 so bad you have to pre-cast flight before getting porkalated, and can't extend it 17:52:13 "You hover through the altar" imo 17:52:37 potions of berserk don't show up in red text or ask for confirmation when worshipping Chei (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6528) by battaile 17:53:37 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:53:44 Why do gods demand silly kneeling anyway 17:53:58 Why can't you just go to the altar say: "Yo, how about we tie up?" 17:54:04 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:06 Er, hook up 18:00:12 I would expect most gods to expect a certain degree of respect, which that's kind of lacking in. 18:00:18 Except possibly Chei. :b 18:00:49 that sounds like it would be moving too fast for chei 18:01:03 the player would have to take him out a few times, at least 18:01:21 Hahahaha. 18:02:42 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1646-gcd335bb: Add comment. 10(in the future, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd335bb140b5 18:03:02 in the future! 18:03:05 nice 18:03:22 talk about moving too fast here 18:07:55 -!- Sobieck has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:09:03 \o/ 18:09:53 -!- keksz has quit [Quit: Kicked by KickServ] 18:15:59 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:16:17 -!- faze_ is now known as faze 18:18:35 Maybe I should have been making all these spells in the same branch in the first place, so that I wouldn't need to handle merging them all back together again 18:18:39 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:19:02 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:10 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:21:34 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:47 Polyphemus (03C) | Spd: 8 | HD: 12 | HP: 105 | AC/EV: 7/3 | Dam: 35, 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | XP: 1191 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 18:22:47 %??polyphemus 18:22:49 the iron giant (10C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 220 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 60 | 10items, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(117), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 7793 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), iron elementals | Sz: Huge | Int: normal. 18:22:49 %??iron giant 18:23:02 Giant > Huge or Huge < Giant? 18:23:08 giant > huge 18:23:15 odd that the iron giant is not giant though 18:24:30 hehe indeed 18:27:58 AC number not showing up as blue text when buffed when stone-skin (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6529) by battaile 18:30:15 are elementals explicitly humanoid 18:30:22 or can i redraw them 18:35:00 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 67-107 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2036 | Sz: Huge | Int: normal. 18:35:00 %??stone giant 18:35:13 not a giant either, so adding a few HD wouldn't change that 18:35:43 ontoclasm: please redraw them anyway 18:40:18 well yeah, but i hate humanoid elementals, so if i can i want to draw them as something more abstract 18:41:14 it always bugs me that apparently the fury of nature is incapable of making itself known without adding hands and angry eyes 18:43:42 ontoclasm, elementals are pretty explicitly not humanoid. 18:44:01 This is supported by the descriptions and the "monster shape" code. 18:45:01 Well, the tiles for some are only vaguely humanoid in the first place 18:45:44 i actually liked ff xii's elementals 18:46:03 they're just big churning spheres that make a weird humming noise 18:46:34 and yeah, it looks liek their body shape is "misc" so 18:53:13 Change size of stone giant and cyclops to GIANT | Fix spacing (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6530) by chris 18:54:54 ChrisOelmueller, s/cyclops/titan/ 18:56:12 err 18:56:48 can you fix that in the patch? else i'll upload new files, but can't edit the issue anyways 18:56:55 and updated patches in comments tend to get lost 18:57:09 * Grunt goes to check if he can edit attachments... 18:57:27 ...wait, no attachments :b 18:58:00 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:58:04 yeah just replacing the link with this, http://bpaste.net/show/VHIVCrUU6dV57pXih2y2/ 18:58:33 Done. 18:58:37 thanks :) 18:59:28 It does look like SIZE_HUGE > SIZE_GIANT, incidentally. 18:59:37 ... 18:59:48 didn't plan on fixing that, but yes 19:00:16 might also question why those two need to be different at all 19:00:53 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:05 The only effective difference between the two seems to be actor::body_weight()... 19:03:16 also makes some things hurt slightly less by XXX 19:03:51 Napkin: the dieselrobin logo was updated with your suggested changes 19:06:18 dieselrobin logo? 19:07:05 ontoclasm: preliminarily http://dieselrobin.org/ 19:07:22 ChrisOelmueller: a masterpiece 19:10:31 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:11:06 -!- Eden is now known as Guest33949 19:17:08 -!- Guest33949 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:17:51 -!- peppermilne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:19:00 Who drew that 19:20:33 minmay 19:21:17 It is so beautiful it hurts to look at it 19:28:27 -!- maahes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:33 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1647-g9aa0d05: Disjunction spell tile. 10(61 seconds ago, 3 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9aa0d05912bf 19:30:01 can we make some bizarre monster have the generic little person icon all the spells use 19:30:13 heh 19:30:29 it needs creepy yellow hands with six fingers too 19:30:36 alternatively have it replace the ? monsters without tiles have 19:30:52 indeed 19:30:53 -!- notrace has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:32:23 HangedMan: Does that image look like these? http://www.filmaluation.com/uploads/5/5/8/4/5584262/530208_orig.jpg 19:33:39 no, but those would also be good tiles 19:34:19 wonder if the mononoke folks have any rights there 19:34:36 They probably do :P 19:34:55 I can't recall what those things were called 19:34:59 But I <3 them 19:35:20 "san" i guess 19:41:51 -!- varmin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:16 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:41 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46:02 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 19:52:58 -!- Kellhus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:53:54 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:57:08 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 19:59:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:22 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:01:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:32 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:14:01 03dolorous 07* 0.12-a0-1648-g4bf4fb7: Fix Mantis 6529: Properly display boosted AC in blue on the "%" screen. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bf4fb7d05ff 20:21:07 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 20:21:38 -!- Zifmia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:22:59 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 20:24:07 03ChrisOelmueller 07* 0.12-a0-1649-ge2dcbf1: Fix spacing 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2dcbf17cc0d 20:39:17 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1650-gea8ac21: Blood tile cleanup 10(5 minutes ago, 30 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea8ac2180594 20:41:22 -!- nefandi has quit [] 20:44:21 03ChrisOelmueller 07* 0.12-a0-1651-g0785a68: Change size of stone giant and titan to GIANT 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0785a6821671 20:54:28 03Grunt 07* 0.12-a0-1652-g1ba3621: Fix monster Shatter damage. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ba3621f933a 20:55:03 -!- mamga has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:56:00 HangedMan, thanks for drawing that to my attention... 20:56:41 -!- SchwaWarrior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:57:03 'welcome 20:57:26 -!- Bloodbeard has quit [Client Quit] 20:57:30 * Grunt wait for the next person to die to a SEEE or DDEE rogue... 20:57:58 -!- mamga_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:00:25 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:28 -!- GamBiT is now known as Guest3329 21:02:04 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:40 -!- Guest3329 has quit [Client Quit] 21:04:35 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1653-g887c968: Recolor sensed monster tokens 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=887c968892c2 21:05:56 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:10:06 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Seiba time!] 21:10:13 Aha, here we are. 21:10:17 ...where did HangedMan go >:( 21:10:31 http://pastebin.com/gEDSPJWj 21:10:40 (rebased to current head, but otherwise untouched) 21:11:18 Also, I seem to be terrible at writing dialogue. :b 21:12:08 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:35 -!- Brocolee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:14:58 We need a dwarf that speaks impeccable English 21:15:06 Can't let the faux scots claim all the dwarfs 21:15:27 As I recall, I originally wrote the dialogue in english, but people complained. 21:15:34 -!- dptr1988 has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:17:19 You can never please everybody :) 21:19:23 -!- Vizer has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:24 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:19:27 Do you think anyone would object if I squashed the crap out of the commits in these new spells? Given the way stuff was partially changed back and forth during development, it may be a bit tricky to reduce clutter while still preserving documentation of design decisions. 21:19:51 I think I will break things if I try to reorder some stuff that probably should be logically reordered 21:20:54 DracoOmega: hmm? 21:23:20 The new conjurations I'm working on (patch forthcoming) 21:26:27 -!- rkd has quit [] 21:26:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:43 maybe design decisions should be in the comments? 21:26:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:27:58 Hey ontoclasm, did I ever show that DDEE design to you? 21:28:04 (see patch) 21:28:29 I remember showing it to some graphics person, but I can't remember if it was you or not. 21:29:02 i remember you mentioning a ddee unique but i've never seen this patch 21:29:10 Aha. 21:29:17 Maybe I discussed it with you and just never showed you the code. 21:29:46 I think |amethyst might remember some of the discussion, since he seems to be around. :b 21:30:16 <|amethyst> I do not :( 21:30:22 * Grunt shrugs. 21:30:44 |amethyst: would you commit a 'buff polyphemus' patch 21:30:50 No matter; I can't really remember who all I discussed this guy with previously anyway. 21:30:56 |amethyst: Would YOU object if each spell was a couple monolithic commits? (I have no idea who'd actually be the main person/people looking at this, of course) 21:30:57 faze, I probably would, depending on the contents... 21:31:33 i want to adjust him to be closer to a stone giant, maybe have a random chance of a catoblepas in his death yak band 21:31:41 <|amethyst> faze: I wouldn't without talking to other devs who are better at balance than me 21:31:45 right 21:32:03 he would be a bit more difficult if his death yak pack didn't get separated 21:32:17 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: I think that's perfectly reasonable 21:32:28 At the times you normally encounter Polyphemus, death yaks are kind of a pushover. 21:32:32 right 21:32:45 |amethyst: Okay. Because Iskenderun's Arcane Familiar is currently, I think, 35? :P 21:32:50 You're expected to be able to deal with death yaks much, much earlier. 21:33:06 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: I probably won't be the one committing it because I don't plan on having a lot of time for crawl development for the next several weeks :( 21:33:07 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:33:15 DracoOmega, personally, I'd prefer fewer, cleaner commits so long as major decisions remain clear. 21:33:25 Yeah, 35 is obviously way too much 21:33:42 It's just that it's hard at the moment to figure out how to combine some of them aside from 'lump most of them together' 21:33:51 i guess having a few pushover uniques is ok 21:34:03 I don't generally like the idea of pushover uniques. 21:34:09 <|amethyst> Just got caught up on the non-teaching part of my work this weekend... so now I can catch up on the teaching stuff I let fall behind over the weekend :/ 21:34:16 I support a Polyphemus buff of some kind 21:34:38 i think fannar could be buffed slightly too 21:34:46 Agreed 21:35:04 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 67-107 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2036 | Sz: Huge | Int: normal. 21:35:04 %??stone giant 21:35:11 Polyphemus (03C) | Spd: 8 | HD: 12 | HP: 105 | AC/EV: 7/3 | Dam: 35, 30 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | XP: 1191 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 21:35:11 %??polyphemus 21:35:41 ettin (07C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 48-87 | AC/EV: 9/4 | Dam: 45, 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1447 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 21:35:41 %??ettin 21:35:57 i'd say something like spd: 10, HD 16, HP: 150, AC 10/EV 3, Dam 50, 30 21:35:58 HD 20 or so, HP 180 or so, damage 45/45? 21:36:08 something like that 21:36:15 I do like the catoblepas idea a fair bit, incidentally 21:36:16 HD 20 would be pretty rough 21:37:01 I'd want Polyphemus to outclass a stone giant. 21:37:02 i'm not good at balancing the numbers, but i can 'feel' if a monster is difficult or not 21:37:14 the iron giant (10C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 220 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 60 | 10items, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(117), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 7793 | Sp: iron shot (3d37), iron elementals | Sz: Huge | Int: normal. 21:37:14 %??iron giant 21:40:44 well, polyphemus is often on shoals:1 or 2 21:40:54 do we want a super stone giant there? 21:41:07 stone giants are on orc:4 occasionally 21:41:12 true 21:41:19 !lm * x=avg(br.enter=shoals) 21:41:20 Malformed term: br.enter=shoals 21:41:21 er 21:41:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:41:30 !lm * br.enter x=avg(xl) 21:41:34 ugh 21:41:36 I expect an average player to encounter a handful of stone giants before they enter Shoals. 21:41:39 !lm * br.enter=shoals x=avg(xl) 21:41:50 Not necessarily very many, but one or two at least seems reasonable. 21:41:53 yeah 21:41:54 1010922 milestones for * (br.enter): avg(xl)=11.92 21:41:54 15891 milestones for * (br.enter=shoals): avg(xl)=17.25 21:42:07 oh 21:42:09 17 is fine 21:42:15 could leave him at speed 8 21:42:23 I think it might be more interesting to do something with his band or interaction between them than just make Polyphemus into a giant beatstick himself 21:42:29 !lm * br.enter=shoals|swamp|spider|snake x=avg(xl) 21:42:34 !lg * killer=stone giant xl<16 br=d s=place 21:42:38 I like the idea of there being a catoblepas in the band. 21:42:46 me too 21:42:47 85523 milestones for * (br.enter=shoals|swamp|spider|snake): avg(xl)=15.54 21:42:47 532 games for * (killer=stone_giant xl<16 br=d): 69x D:12, 52x D:13, 51x D:1, 38x D:14, 35x D:11, 35x D:15, 33x D:10, 30x D:9, 24x D:16, 18x D:17, 17x D:7, 16x D:6, 14x D:5, 13x D:2, 13x D:3, 13x D:8, 12x D:4, 9x D:18, 8x D:24, 7x D:19, 5x D:20, 5x D:26, 4x D:22, 4x D:25, 3x D:21, 3x D:23, D:27 21:42:56 he could have the battle shout thing orcs have 21:43:02 !lg * place=D:1 killer=stone giant 21:43:02 51. Fygured the Chiller (L2 MuIE), hit from afar by a stone giant (large rock) on D:1 on 2012-12-04 22:29:07, with 32 points after 6741 turns and 0:02:21. 21:43:05 so he shouts at his yaks 21:43:07 !lm * br.enter=shoals|swamp|spider|snake s=br.enter x=avg(xl) 21:43:08 ...of course. 21:43:09 85523 milestones for * (br.enter=shoals|swamp|spider|snake): 15891x Shoals [17.25], 26533x Swamp [15.87], 29226x Snake [15.29], 13873x Spider [13.49] 21:43:16 Make him haste the yaks :P 21:43:56 many players think shoals is the most difficult lair rotation branch 21:44:19 Actually... I wonder if it might be reasonable to make him able to ocassionally berserk one of his yaks? 21:44:23 DracoOmega: an orc knight type shout buff for the yaks isn't a bad idea 21:44:26 And leave him more or less the same? 21:44:56 are death yaks big enough to be amphibious? 21:45:00 no 21:45:01 polyphemus = stone giant knight? :P 21:45:02 ??death yak 21:45:03 death yak[1/4]: One of the toughest enemies you can find in the Lair outside of a vault. Melee is not recommended unless you can fight one-on-one or are very tough yourself! (Or have reasonable stabbing skill and invisibility...even if they wake up, invis stab will take them down quickly) 21:45:04 give them that 21:45:05 er 21:45:07 death yak (08Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 54-97 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 30 | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 1059 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 21:45:07 %??death yak 21:45:15 yak island would be much cooler then 21:45:29 maybe polyphemus should be landlocked then 21:45:38 otherwise he ditches his yaks to go wading 21:45:45 That could also be reasonable 21:45:57 Except he's a cyclops, so.... 21:46:05 makes sense with the myth, too 21:46:30 since the original polyphemus stands on the shore throwing rocks after odysseus 21:46:33 iirc 21:47:39 -!- Nabski has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:47:56 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:48:23 Well, I suspect the oceans there were deeper than deep water seems to be in Crawl :P 21:48:42 Either that or stone giants are thousands of feet tall 22:05:11 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1654-g97cef9e: Mold tiles 10(6 minutes ago, 8 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97cef9e04219 22:06:14 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1653-g887c968 22:06:43 -!- notrace has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:07:31 -!- substitute has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:08:50 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:25:56 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:30:09 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:48 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:52 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]] 22:37:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:39 -!- thanatomnesia has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:39:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:41:35 -!- blackcustard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:59 -!- scorchgeek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:53 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:58:20 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:56 -!- Zifmia has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:00:37 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:15 -!- m3phisto has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:29 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:10:25 -!- ryak has quit [Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!] 23:12:03 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:19 -!- eb has quit [] 23:14:24 -!- fooobarrr has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:21:13 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:47 <|amethyst> Blade-: ERROR: Stuck game with 100% CPU use Recursive crash. 23:26:51 |amethyst, I took a look at Blade-'s game previously. 23:26:55 What's happening is this: 23:27:05 <|amethyst> !lm giantspikedclub crash -log 23:27:06 1. giantspikedclub, XL2 MuCK, T:2282 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/giantspikedclub/crash-giantspikedclub-20111221-040223.txt 23:27:16 the game is crunching through thousands of turns of Lua getting the level on the other end caught up. 23:27:27 ...this takes a while, but it eventually does complete. 23:27:36 ...it's just that the server kills the game before that happens. 23:27:45 <|amethyst> hm 23:28:54 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:29 What is the Lua that is running 23:29:36 Did Blade- copy his save 23:29:44 I did a while ago; I can do so again now 23:29:55 The save that demos the problem is good enough 23:29:58 <|amethyst> where does that "Stuck game with 100% CPU use" message come from? 23:30:05 |amethyst: crash.cc 23:30:13 well I lost the link 23:30:17 <|amethyst> oh, duh 23:30:30 <|amethyst> I didn't think to double the % when grepping :) 23:30:37 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/giantspikedclub-crawl-git-c17a272c4f-130114-0030.tar.bz2 23:34:52 <|amethyst> Blade-: you okay with transferring your save? 23:35:14 <|amethyst> Blade-: oh, actually, never mind 23:35:43 <|amethyst> Blade-: I need to upgrade my version 23:36:25 <|amethyst> Grunt: you said it does eventually complete? how long does it take and do you have a save afterwards? 23:36:36 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 23:36:48 I wasn't timing it, but it took a couple of minutes at the time. 23:36:54 I did not save afterwards. 23:37:01 probably a lot longer now since I've been scumming more 23:37:13 <|amethyst> hm 23:37:26 I need to leave now :| 23:38:34 This actually looks like a flaw in a vault 23:38:42 That is going crazy spamming fog on a timer event 23:38:51 * Grunt looks around shiftily. 23:41:05 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:09 03ontoclasm 07* 0.12-a0-1655-gda12a28: Margery tile (and matching description) 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 9-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=da12a28fbdb6 23:41:47 so is there any good solution available? 23:41:48 grunt_profane_halls :) 23:42:43 Ooh, interesting 23:42:48 This looks like a bog standard fog machine 23:43:04 So possibly a bug in fog machines themselves 23:43:18 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:30 !messages 23:43:30 (1/3) HangedMan said (8h 24m 48s ago): inception bug: you get the abyss monster spawning message with an It for mimics 23:43:47 !messages 23:43:47 (1/2) HangedMan said (6h 20m 18s ago): Making all abyssal exit vaults place abyssal stairs leads to vaults conspiciously containing absolutely nothing on abyss:5; maybe functioning it off for a star_item on abyss:$ or something would be suiting since it's mean-spirited to not get an exit when one's looking for exits that deep anyway 23:44:08 !messages 23:44:08 (1/1) HangedMan said (3h 39m 53s ago): !fight 1 fungus col:disjunction v 60 fungus col:disjunction delay:120 23:44:21 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:29 ??it[27] 23:44:30 it[27/27]: It assembles itself! 23:45:24 elapsed ticks 9319980 23:45:29 Blade-: You have sinned! 23:45:43 2M turns :P 23:45:43 um yeah I may have done a bit of scumming 23:45:49 !tell Hangedman please file a bug for the mimic message. Can you fix the A:5 stairs? My Luna is bad 23:45:49 bh: OK, I'll let Hangedman know. 23:45:59 Thanks for drawing attention to this awesome bug 23:46:11 it was my pleasure :p 23:46:23 how does the bug work? 23:46:23 Greensnark: I hope you like what I've done to the abyss 23:46:41 What's the bug? 23:46:42 bh: It looks awesome 23:47:01 Fog machine Lua reacts poorly to the player revisiting the level after farming :P 23:47:01 Draco's monsters make it 23:47:14 Huh 23:48:59 Greensnark.: the abyss needs more motifs. Any ideas? 23:50:40 motifs? 23:50:58 Thematic sections. Like the river 23:51:27 ah 23:52:24 so is there likely to be a fix soon or a workaround? 23:53:09 <|amethyst> Blade-: I'm going upstairs on my slowish home computer now 23:53:22 <|amethyst> Blade-: once I'm through, I'll copy the save over to CAO 23:53:40 I did some stuff after that, so I'd prefer you use a later save 23:53:48 <|amethyst> Blade-: every other level with a fog machine will have the same problem 23:53:55 -!- Crazylemon64 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:07 ok, so I should limit scumming in the future? 23:54:08 <|amethyst> Blade-: okay, give me a save backup with you sitting on the upstair 23:54:16 ok 23:54:45 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/giantspikedclub-crawl-git-c17a272c4f-130114-0054.tar.bz2 23:54:53 <|amethyst> Blade-: this does need to be fixed, but no idea how long it will be, so until then it might be a good idea to avoid it 23:55:03 alright :( 23:55:24 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:56:59 <|amethyst> I think this bug might have been uncovered by: 23:57:03 <|amethyst> %git da16d8c0 23:57:03 03kilobyte * 0.12-a0-1195-gda16d8c: Don't reset the time when X[]-ing a level. 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=da16d8c0e20d 23:57:32 <|amethyst> !lg * turns>2000000 23:57:34 18. apocalypserobin the Farming Insei (L3 VpMo), quit the game in the Temple (circular temple 6) on 2011-10-25 16:08:51, with 67 points after 199999999 turns and 1d+12:40:50. 23:58:01 <|amethyst> !lg * turns>2000000 min=turns 23:58:02 18. syban the Farming Annihilator (L27 MuWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2009-11-15 08:13:01, with 1474179 points after 2206900 turns and 2d+8:11:26. 23:58:23 <|amethyst> !lg * turns>2000000 s=char 23:58:24 18 games for * (turns>2000000): 3x MuSu, 3x MuFi, 3x MuRe, 2x MuWz, MuGl, VpMo, MuNe, MDPa, MuSt, VpWr, MuIE 23:58:32 -!- mason- has quit [Client Quit] 23:58:47 <|amethyst> !lg * species!=vp species!=mu max=turns 23:58:55 Would it be unreasonable to just only run lua for a small capped number of turns on level reentry? 23:59:04 Even if you have been gone far longer. Is there any lua this would break? 23:59:17 Well, 'small' compared to the giant length of time Blade was away 23:59:19 1857182. Tityrus the Farming Blocker (L24 MDPa), worshipper of The Shining One, drowned on D:21 on 2008-12-23 10:50:13, with 379462 points after 16862099 turns and 8:03:16. 23:59:25 <|amethyst> something like that would probably work 23:59:39 <|amethyst> !lg * species!=vp species!=mu max=turns -2 23:59:47 I mean, clearly this is fine for fog machines, but I don't know if there's some other vaults that would break