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<|amethyst> hm 01:03:21 <|amethyst> Unable to checkout 'edbb36ffc2c0fa9b8a0874a4b0a778221941b57e' in submodule path 'crawl-ref/source/contrib/sdl-android' 01:07:05 -!- Siveran has quit [Client Quit] 01:14:41 <|amethyst> oh, I needed to do submodule sync 01:15:42 -!- Platen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:18:02 -!- Loskel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:20:10 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1233-g76a2f64 (34) 01:30:42 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:26 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:49:45 -!- lazarenth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:29 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:00:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:44 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:16:17 -!- tJener 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joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:10 so where is it that trolls are granted their gourmand 08:38:32 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:38:40 _extrinsic_amulet_effect 08:38:58 thanks 08:39:18 <|amethyst> well, give_basic_mutations really 08:39:21 all of that stuff should probably just be checked for in a sensible way instead of the crazy way it is currently via wearing_amulet 08:39:29 yeah 08:39:38 it's fairly bizarre 08:42:43 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:44:23 wearing_amulet() looking for something other than, well, wearing amulets, should die 08:44:47 or at the very least be renamed 08:45:19 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:23 <|amethyst> and _extrinsic_amulet_effect is really about *intrinsic* amulet effects 08:45:39 <|amethyst> well, not entirely, but that's a big part of it 08:46:43 <|amethyst> also, if you pass "false" as player_mental_clarity's "items" parameter, it doesn't count amulets, but does count artefacts 08:49:05 <|amethyst> also, why does the amulet give 3 levels of clarity when nothing actually appears to distinguish nonzero results? 08:50:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:08 <|amethyst> Wensley: I'm guessing you're working on making suppression not suppress trolls' gourmand? 08:51:51 <|amethyst> if not I might rewrite this stuff, but probably not for a day or two 08:52:49 <|amethyst> BTW, I'm adding a (light) teaching load on top of my current job for next semester, so I might be contributing even less than I have the past few months 08:53:22 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:57:43 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:19 not having time you can waste on Crawl sucks :( 09:00:30 |amethyst: correct, although I'm not *working* on it so much as just poking at it, wondering what the best solution is 09:00:37 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:01 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:32 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Client Quit] 09:01:56 -!- Ragdoll has joined 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I'd be happy to start working on my next new monster instead... 10:21:03 <|amethyst> I should be able to make some time tomorrow to do it 10:21:18 <|amethyst> it doesn't look to be particularly hard, just a little tedious 10:21:24 |amethyst: then I shall devote carousel moths to you 10:25:20 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 10:31:20 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 10:33:34 -!- mineral has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:39:20 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:24 -!- Rewans has quit [] 10:43:12 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:53 -!- Morokiane has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:45:37 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:49:12 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51:20 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:01 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:54:23 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:55:26 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:59:49 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:58 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:07:58 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:07:59 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:07:59 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:08:00 -!- scummos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:20 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:08:58 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:02 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:13 -!- stabwound has quit [Changing host] 11:09:13 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:08 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:11:27 -!- Bomanz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:19:31 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:17 -!- opiate has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:45:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:18 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:54:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:55:03 -!- marcmagus has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:55:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:49 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Client Quit] 12:07:33 "is Z_NOZOMBIE until code for zombie spawns is no longer based on zombie size" <-- still relevant? 12:19:52 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:21:24 screen does not appear (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6422) by adamo901 12:22:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24:03 -!- Xares has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:04 -!- Xares_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:51 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:29 teleport malfunction (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6423) by carrionist 12:28:19 what is that report supposed to do 12:31:38 perhaps it needs to be more obvious that tele scrolls aren't instant? 12:32:35 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32:59 well if they weren't reading messages at all 12:33:07 clarifying the message will hardly help 12:33:14 Well, this is true 12:35:21 -!- slade118 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:30 -!- ens has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:12 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:45:52 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:46:25 -!- aspy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:49:24 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:54:25 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:23 -!- Pthing has quit [*.net *.split] 12:56:24 -!- stabwound has quit [*.net *.split] 12:56:24 -!- remyroy has quit [*.net *.split] 12:56:24 -!- raistware has quit [*.net *.split] 12:56:24 -!- hurdos has quit [*.net *.split] 12:56:24 -!- notthepope has quit [*.net *.split] 12:56:24 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 12:56:24 -!- Duke- has quit [*.net *.split] 12:59:07 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:09 -!- remyroy1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:53 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:53 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:44 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 13:14:06 -!- anele has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:16 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzillglotz 13:32:54 ChrisOelmueller: do you know c++ 13:33:07 mon->props["tornado_since"].get_int() = you.elapsed_time; 13:33:17 ^ what the heck is this 13:33:39 assigning to a method call? 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15:43:39 <|amethyst> from syntax.txt: 15:43:44 <|amethyst> MONS: generate_awake goliath beetle 15:44:05 generate_awake? 15:44:05 |amethyst: is that only for vaults? 15:44:15 I want to define this at the monster level 15:44:26 or at least at the mon-pick level 15:44:28 <|amethyst> oh, you want a particular monster type to never sleep 15:44:46 you'd have to define an implement another monster flag, is my guess 15:44:55 s/an /and / 15:47:22 <|amethyst> and then have dgn_place_monster look up that flag for the requested monster type 15:47:29 Wensley: that can be interesting, but it's game-changing! (Which could easily be good :) 15:47:32 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:47:40 What's your plan? 15:48:32 dpeg_: I'm designing a somewhat kooky support monster, and I don't think it's game-breaking to have it generate awake 15:48:42 Wensley: another moth? 15:48:48 because 1) it affects both monsters and players and 2) it doesn't wake sleeping things 15:48:48 Cannot go wrong with moths. 15:48:54 dpeg_: indeed, carousel moth 15:49:04 does it do what I expect from the name? :) 15:49:25 dpeg_: think tornado, but without the damage or flight or noise :P 15:49:33 a constant stream of xom effects 15:49:41 Wensley's is better :) 15:49:56 Hm, I wonder if a siren moth could be interesting. Produces level sounds, wakes up monsters and you know where it is. It tries to get to you. 15:50:23 Zannick: for Xom effects, I'd rather take a unique -- current, or for that matter, former, Xom follower. 15:50:26 i think that sound cool, but s/moth/something else/ 15:50:39 sounds * 15:51:01 dpeg_: the idea of "waking up monsters" is part of another moth idea of mine, the night terror moth, which has screams constantly with shatter volume and whenever it is awake does a xom-teleport-circuit through the level screaming, and then falls asleep again 15:51:02 Zannick: hm, maybe. Gotta ask elliptic before I invest any further thought, though =) 15:51:12 -!- monqy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:51:22 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:16 what's so special about this moth that makes it not sleep like everything else? 15:52:21 -!- Pikkle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:23 Wensley: oh, I see you are right on track. Since players on everyone being asleep, this really is a change of a core rule. That's why I suggest the level sound, but I guess you had that too. If you happen to know where the siren thingie is (which makes sense) you can decide to do something about it as soon as possible. Or not. 15:52:48 ChrisOelmueller: forces players to behave differently. Or do you mean flavour-wise? 15:53:05 both flavour and mechanics 15:53:18 insomnia moth 15:54:18 ChrisOelmueller: what is special about the carousel moth is that it is fun-loving and loves to have a fun time, all the time 15:54:41 "This moth can never sleep -- whenever it tries to rest, it will soon enough wake up from its own cries. This poor creature can only find some peace of mind by munching on fresh carrion." 15:55:02 ChrisOelmueller: also, its effect is basically useless if it has to wake up and then spin up 15:55:13 ChrisOelmueller: also, it has no attacks 15:55:19 isn't that true for like every other moth 15:55:26 ChrisOelmueller: all other moths have attacks 15:55:55 ChrisOelmueller: a wavering monster that shakes up positioning can be interesting 15:55:57 ChrisOelmueller: I even explicitly gave supmoths no attacks and then evilmike gave it some :P 15:55:59 okay, the fix there might be to either break core design for a non-reason or give it an attack 15:56:13 i'm not convinced if you couldn't guess already 15:56:13 "core design" ??? 15:56:16 ChrisOelmueller: evilmike will give it an attack, don't worry 15:56:35 show me where in the crawl design document it says "everything must be asleep" 15:56:43 ChrisOelmueller: it is not clear at this point whether you dislike carousel or screaming moth, or both 15:56:53 screaming moth is mostly a joke 15:57:06 carousel moth is real and hilarious 15:57:09 Wensley: I think it has potential. 15:57:33 ChrisOelmueller: either I give it a flag or I make it only ever spawn in vaults with generate_awake. either way, same result 15:57:36 -!- ToastyP_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 15:57:47 cdo's crawl should be working again 15:57:52 \o/ 15:57:55 !beer Napkin 15:57:59 !cheers Napkin 15:58:00 * Wenzell slides a flagon of scotch across the bar to Napkin, on the house. 15:58:01 * Henzell slides a flagon of beer across the bar to Napkin, on the house. 15:58:05 :) 15:58:11 double flagons! 15:58:27 beer and scotch --> have a good Friday night, Napkin :) 15:58:32 cdo console still refusing my connection. napkin: how much data are we talking about here, sizewize? 15:58:33 let's see if ttyrec directory on nfs4 via 100mbit is fast enough 15:58:44 -!- marcmagus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:58:52 Ragdoll, ssh or telnet? 15:58:58 ssh 15:59:02 I just got into my game okay (using SSH) 15:59:15 whois Ragdoll 15:59:43 not banned via iptables.. should work, Ragdoll 15:59:49 telnet works for me 16:00:15 ping me, if any saves got corrupted because of running out of disk space 16:00:16 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:18 network error: connection refused. telnet just closes putty right away 16:00:18 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 16:00:24 -!- Poncheis_ is now known as Poncheis 16:00:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:52 try ip, Ragdoll? 16:00:59 webtiles is working at the very least 16:01:02 hmmm, will do, one sec 16:01:03 46.4.68.88 16:01:13 or 2a01:4f8:140:3041::2:2 16:01:37 ip works yeah 16:02:12 good :) 16:03:06 so that issue will resolve itself eventually, great! 16:03:19 so how big is everything combined, napking? just curious 16:03:21 -g 16:03:57 cdo has a 200gb partition for crawl (that is dgl & webtiles) 16:04:01 and it ran full 16:04:15 ~500mb growth a day 16:04:50 perhaps we need a different morgue policy at some point... 16:05:05 pay to keep them =) 16:05:10 new server (not finished yet, but crawl's partition mounted via nfs) has 500gb for crawl 16:05:11 thats pretty big yeah - most of the size comes from ttyrecs i guess? 16:05:32 yes, 173gb was ttyrecs (all bzip2'ed) 16:05:35 500gb is only 1000 days 16:05:51 ~3 years is not so bad ;) 16:07:35 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ben weg] 16:08:27 is there some new delay when taking saving a game? 16:09:10 dump_on_save defaults to true 16:09:36 isn't that related to morgues? 16:10:34 Napkin: not for me, but I just started a new game 16:10:46 save game please and tell me 16:10:55 I did 16:11:08 save was immediate 16:11:28 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:11:32 great :) 16:11:34 thanks! 16:13:33 We thank you, Marc! 16:15:39 :) moving the ttyrecs took quite a while 16:16:26 It's not a commercial game... I think everyone's fine with one or two days downtime for infrastructure purposes. 16:17:06 could have announced it though, just had no time 16:17:37 next time 16:18:02 I just replied to the "CDO down" forum thread... do you think there should be a blog news item? 16:19:31 no need anymore, i think 16:20:04 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:30 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:23:00 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29:01 would changing the default of travel_delay and explore_delay help to reduce the size of ttyrecs? 16:30:15 bhaak: even if, do you think they'd be okay with off as default? 16:31:42 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:32:18 dpeg_: they learnt to love the removal of MD :) 16:32:34 bhaak: Scherzkeks :) 16:32:36 so they will learn to love the new defaults, too 16:33:29 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:33:43 bhaak: my favourite line on the recent SA thread: "love crawl, hate the devs" :) 16:33:45 most players probably don't even know those options? 16:34:10 <|amethyst> btw, is there any reason to make dump_order configurable? 16:34:12 bhaak: yes, this is why we have to pick defaults carefully 16:34:18 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:22 |amethyst: not sure 16:34:38 dpeg_: that's what i was thinking although i don't even know what the current defaults are :) 16:34:40 <|amethyst> ophanim points out that you can dump the same section 30k times 16:35:14 <|amethyst> and there is apparently some bug where you get the default order then the new order, but that might be a += thing 16:35:41 |amethyst: yes, saw the BR... not sure what to think 16:35:41 that's ophanim not understanding list options, yes 16:35:51 * bhaak wonders how dpeg missed dump_order on his options killing spree 16:35:59 i'd be fine with limiting each available option to at most 1 inclusions 16:36:09 but i do have a nonstandard dump order 16:36:44 ChrisOelmueller: why? 16:37:03 bhaak: "killing spree" -- as if. More like "shyly looking at some options" 16:37:55 because for some reason action counts are still not included in the default config 16:38:20 and because i don't like the list of kills 16:39:39 bhaak: asking more directly, why would you remove that option 16:40:16 <|amethyst> well, it does make debugging easier if someone's dump includes all that stuff 16:40:38 <|amethyst> sometime 16:40:39 <|amethyst> s 16:40:55 it would also make dumps more nice if all of them had action counts by default 16:41:07 still they don't have 16:41:30 ChrisOelmueller: dump _order_ sounds quite overengineered. switches for selecting different parts is another matter. 16:41:35 <|amethyst> vaults would be nice too 16:41:38 also 'vaults' is not included for yet another -- 16:41:39 yes 16:42:11 bhaak: basically i use the option that changes the defaults because i don't like the defaults. that's not only true for dump_order. 16:42:28 and there's probably at least 20 more overengineered options i could recite to you right now 16:42:36 start with those. :-) 16:42:48 don't worry, i don't have commit rights :) 16:43:21 <|amethyst> well, at the very least I'll remove duplicates 16:43:24 but dpeg_ would certainly like to hear about those other overengineered options :) 16:43:37 <|amethyst> but not right now; I guess that will go on my list for tomorrow 16:48:54 -!- Datul has quit [] 16:49:36 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:10 -!- not_detrius has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:12 |amethyst? 16:55:21 could you re-enable by ssh access to cao? 16:56:25 *my 16:56:38 bhaak: yes! 17:04:07 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: work] 17:04:57 -!- sleepybeef has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:32 -!- Vizerr has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14:52 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:06 -!- Sab0t_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:20:20 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:41 #6417 should have somebody make MARKER: ^ = lua:props_marker { portal=1 } respect the guaranteed portal placements instead of making slaughterboxes and the other three encompass vaults that pass through >d:20 all check for pan and abyss 17:22:56 also I should make this comment on said issue 17:27:10 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 17:28:04 -!- rkd has quit [] 17:28:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:35 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 17:31:22 -!- voker57_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:41 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:43 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:23 -!- andre____ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:27 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:23 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:35 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 17:54:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:57:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02:10 -!- Pushpabon has quit [Quit: zZz] 18:08:29 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:10:07 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:05 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:44 -!- EinKatz has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:13:05 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:50 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:18:41 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:56 -!- jacobian has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:21:07 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:50 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:23:59 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:35 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 18:31:29 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:32:14 -!- sym has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:33:39 HangedMan: mind if I take a crack at the issue over the weekend and submit a patch? 18:33:58 go ahead 18:34:23 good luck with making any sense out of spin_cycle 18:34:38 ... not promising I will be able to do it ;) 18:35:39 also I think the patch on mantis right now won't work because the revisions I made to slaughterboxes leaves literally like no glyphs left 18:36:28 ye, that patch can be removed 18:36:53 for some reason you cant delete files you upload in mantis 18:37:21 maybe if a glyph that normally shouldn't ever be used like uh , was used 18:38:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:08 -!- Zifmia has quit [] 18:51:09 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:53:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:37 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:17 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 18:57:57 -!- axlexk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:07:41 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:14:20 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:16:45 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:19 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:24:34 -!- Zifmia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:57 woohoo, cdo back up, thanks folks (and i'm really happy the savefile code didn't nuke my char!) 19:27:05 would I ever be allowed to use the enter_branch features in abyss vaults or is that too dumb and gimmicky 19:29:25 Players would totally assume they were mimics 19:29:31 It would be worth it for that alone 19:29:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:30:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:32:06 -!- Krag has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 19:33:47 -!- ElMuncho has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:35:27 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:39:35 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:47 So what did Napking do with the old CDO ttyrecs 19:42:54 They seem to have taken wing and flown into the night 19:43:16 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:34 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:49:25 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:31 How's tornado doing? 19:54:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:42 tornado's always been a spell that... 19:57:43 * Zannick puts on sunglasses. 19:57:48 stirs up a lot of controversy. 20:00:12 I'm quite tempted to just take directly connected parts (ie, no grates/trees), and ignore all U-shaped room issues. 20:00:25 a flow simulation is doable but has lots of tricky issues 20:00:36 both of those would be destroyed by the tornado anyway 20:02:00 http://sprunge.us/NHIi for example, where does the wind blow in "1"? 20:02:38 kilobyte: it should get wind from the south and south west and flow out to the north and north east 20:04:07 ie, sorted by the wind's "age" since it left the origin? 20:04:34 not sure if that'd work in more complex cases 20:05:43 age? no 20:06:13 Here's what I'm thinking: For each square compute if you can see the origin from that square. Then for each square, ask how many of its left-ward neighbors can see the origin 20:08:12 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:53 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:36 -!- mrwooster_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:14 in many cases it'd be 0 for both 20:11:40 also there's no such thing as "left" unless there's a direct line 20:12:21 imagine a room that's shaped like a russian stove (except connected back, and all within the range) 20:13:45 * bh googles 'russian stove' 20:14:06 tornado shouldn't really want to work there 20:14:50 it does, just with a diminished power 20:15:18 all that matters there is a cycle the wind can operate in 20:15:21 -!- Erin_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:16:34 better to allow that rather than cause problems with pillars 20:16:49 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:17:14 -!- st_ has quit [] 20:22:45 -!- Jayrays has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:26:05 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:27:57 void WindSystem::pass_wind(coord_def c) -- I appreciate that someone has a sense of humor. 20:30:44 well, that was too obvious and hard to resist 20:36:45 kilobyte: tornado is cool and all, but this code is overcomplicated and I write overly complex code 20:45:00 that's why I'm thinking of sweeping issues under the carpet and mostly reverting to the old non-crashy behaviour, heeding only grates/trees 20:46:02 or alternatively, throwing away _rotate() and friends and doing flow simulation, but that'd add another heap of complexity 20:46:35 ie, either using only angle again, or not using angle at all 20:46:54 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:47:40 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 20:47:52 kilobyte: mind if I take a stab at simplifying the whole thing? 20:48:06 (in a behavior changing way) 20:49:56 sure 20:50:40 for the pillar issue, quite a number of places have pillars. Tomb:2 is the biggest case certain to have a major fight going on. 20:52:57 -!- SPoV has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:53:32 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:25 the worst part about wiping my harddrive is my SSH key passphrase was cached and after a year and a half, I don't remember what it was. 21:02:40 hunter2 21:02:54 I'm not sure what's the point in having a cached passphrase as opposed to having that machine's key without one. 21:03:03 right, i don't use passphrases 21:03:20 if someone can read the private key, he can read whatever cache you use just as well 21:03:30 if someone steals your pri--what kilobyte said 21:04:21 faze: When you type hunter2 all I see is ******* 21:04:26 kilobyte: OSX is le stupid. 21:04:37 bh: :) 21:04:52 oh right, OSX stores ssh passphrases in the system keychain 21:04:54 right? 21:04:59 yep 21:05:02 i use OSX, but not ssh passphrases 21:05:27 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:58 I'm trying to quit OSX. 21:06:58 -!- SPoV_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:08:57 how come 21:09:09 the ghetto package management? 21:09:21 the bsd utils with their weird flags? 21:09:23 shitty UI, broken development environment 21:09:29 hm 21:09:34 xmonad4life 21:09:38 hehe 21:09:58 i run 2 programs: iterm2 and chrome 21:10:16 also itunes, but itunes 11 is much nicer and doesn't require a fullscreen window anymore 21:10:27 xmonad is nice though 21:11:04 iterm2 has enough hotkeys and features to mostly replicate what i'd use xmonad for anyways 21:11:55 but i do have gripes about os x 21:18:19 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:01 -!- mrwooster_ has quit [Quit: mrwooster_] 21:22:58 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:27:59 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:30:29 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:30:49 <|amethyst> Napkin: what kind of access do you need on CAO? Just an account, ability to run the dgl manager, root, ...? 21:32:43 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:12 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 21:46:31 -!- kek has quit [Quit: gonna suicide, brb] 21:48:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:48:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 21:49:49 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:51:22 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:43 <|amethyst> Napkin: also, do you need access to CSZO? 21:58:36 |amethyst: isn't it late-o-clock in Germany? 21:59:30 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00:54 5am is quite late, yeah 22:01:32 any even remotely sane person would use a word different than "late" here :p 22:03:25 kilobyte: why doesn't spl-tornado have a header? 22:04:49 some other spl-* lack it, too 22:05:12 of course, that inconsistency is inconsistent 22:07:17 -!- Nemelexy has quit [Client Quit] 22:08:23 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:11:22 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1235-gd090462: Align a quote attribution. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d090462b8976 22:11:22 03kilobyte 07* 0.12-a0-1236-g9b240be: Assert-crash if there's no Pan portal on D:24. 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 0-) 13http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b240be035ea 22:11:54 -!- slade118 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:16 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-1234-gd8b2db4 22:25:26 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 22:41:00 kilobyte: "A tree falls to the hurricane!" A tornado is unlike a hurricane :) 22:46:15 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:24 -!- eb has quit [] 22:49:06 beh, you silly Ahmurikans have different words for those like Eskimoes for different kinds of snow :p 22:52:09 elliptic, MarvinPA: I'm fixing refrig/OTR/... monster tracers, and I see some weirdness with torment: allies won't use it if 1. you're in LOS, or 2. any other ally is in LOS 22:53:13 it'd be easy to look at the actual resistance (ie, undeadness), but this might be abusable by MuSu/GhSu 22:58:01 lich form is a smaller concern: if you have both Summon Greater Demon and Necromutation castable, you're not likely to bother about living opposition 23:00:37 options are: 1. fixing the tracer the straight way (ie, allowing torment if it does no friendly damage), or 2. keeping friendlies from using torment in any case 23:02:59 I thought the main reason for preventing allied creatures from using torment was the latter, to begin with 23:03:18 More about curtailing its power than keeping the player from getting hit 23:06:18 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:08:32 you can hardly ever get friendlies capable of tormenting out of LOS anymore (mostly enslavement), but that's not a reason not to fix it, if the fix goes together with other spells 23:11:02 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:11:17 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:11:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:34 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:38 -!- yellouu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:41:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:43:12 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:43:28 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:28 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:54:08 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:59:03 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev