00:01:54 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:03:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-771-g7f69e0f (34) 00:07:06 Sapher (L1 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:07:25 <|amethyst> !lm sapher sprint crash -log 00:07:26 1. Sapher, XL1 MuSu, T:38 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Sapher/crash-Sapher-20121009-050706.txt 00:08:28 Sapher (L1 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:09:44 bjtr (L1 DsWz) (D:1) 00:10:08 bjtr (L1 DsWz) (D:1) 00:10:10 Sapher (L1 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:10:21 BahamutZERO (L4 DsFi) (D:3) 00:10:37 Sapher (L1 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:10:39 neil (L1 HuFi) (D:1) 00:10:40 WalkerBoh (L1 VpMo) (D:1) 00:10:45 -!- Psyknux has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:53 neil (L1 HuFi) (D:1) 00:11:02 <|amethyst> enter the skill menu twice 00:11:09 Sapher (L1 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:12:16 Roarke (L4 HuAs) (D:3) 00:12:23 WalkerBoh (L2 VpMo) (D:1) 00:12:32 Roarke (L4 HuAs) (D:3) 00:12:43 Roarke (L4 HuAs) (D:3) 00:12:54 Sapher (L4 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:13:06 bjtr (L1 DsWz) (D:1) 00:13:20 Roarke (L4 HuAs) (D:3) 00:13:51 BahamutZERO (L4 DsFi) (D:3) 00:13:58 Sapher (L4 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:14:12 WalkerBoh (L1 VpMo) (D:1) 00:14:20 -!- parallax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:35 neil (L1 HuFi) (D:1) 00:15:21 Sapher (L4 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:15:31 Sapher (L4 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:15:37 fishi (L1 DgTm) (D:1) 00:16:35 Sapher (L5 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:16:55 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:59 neil (L1 HuFi) (D:1) 00:17:25 hey, seems to be a new bug caused by the most recent update 00:17:50 i started a game as VpMo, and seem to get kicked from the game pretty consistently by pressing "m" 00:17:59 it doesn't happen every time, but maybe 2 out of 3 00:18:07 and of course, it doesn't save, and i get to restart the game each time 00:18:21 Some "double" enemy tiles (panlords) seem to miss half their tile when over water/lava (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6295) by zkyp 00:19:43 i'll let someone else write it up in mantis though, since i'm sure more people than just myself are gonna get hit with this 00:19:51 i was playing text on cszo, for the record 00:20:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Client Quit] 00:20:28 neil (L1 HuFi) (D:1) 00:21:36 oshikia (L1 DsFi) (D:1) 00:21:37 fishi (L2 DgTm) (D:3) 00:22:03 <|amethyst> m_switches[SKM_LEVEL] == 0x0 00:23:11 Sapher (L8 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:23:47 fishi (L3 DgTm) (D:4) 00:24:18 Sapher (L8 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:25:26 fishi (L4 DgTm) (D:4) 00:25:38 fishi (L4 DgTm) (D:4) 00:26:02 So much crashing 00:27:15 fishi (L4 DgTm) (D:7) 00:28:44 Sapher (L9 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:29:18 I like how someone joined to report the bug, and only ever saw one of the many crash reports 00:29:51 Sapher (L9 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:29:55 Yeah 00:30:08 JackRogers (L2 VpMo) (D:1) 00:31:51 drag0n (L12 DEIE) (D:12) 00:32:53 hmm... I want to use a large number to make a non-uniform selection among some elements. I'm on this 'non-uniform distributions give rise to longer coupon collection times and therefore make randomness seem more random to our fragile human minds' 00:33:14 BahamutZERO (L3 DsFi) (D:2) 00:34:24 JackRogers (L3 DrMo) (D:2) 00:34:37 JackRogers (L2 DrMo) (D:2) 00:34:45 Sapher (L10 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:34:48 JackRogers (L2 DrMo) (D:2) 00:35:23 JackRogers (L2 DrMo) (D:2) 00:35:31 JackRogers (L2 DrMo) (D:2) 00:39:41 -!- spaceships has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:40:16 Sapher (L11 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:41:58 JackRogers (L7 DrMo) (D:4) 00:42:10 Sapher (L11 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:42:14 JackRogers (L5 DrMo) (D:4) 00:42:19 JackRogers (L5 DrMo) (D:4) 00:43:03 -!- JackRogers has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:28 Sapher (L11 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:46:53 wat 00:47:34 oh, read scrollback, never mind me 00:47:38 BahamutZERO (L2 DsFi) (D:1) 00:47:52 testaccount (L3 HOBe) (D:2) 00:47:53 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:48:10 hey 00:48:18 when i hit the 'm' key multiple times 00:48:20 fast 00:48:26 JackRogers: yeah, we saw :) 00:48:29 the game drops, doesnt save, and i come back at the start of the level 00:48:35 oh 00:48:43 I think |amethyst is working on it 00:48:51 cool 00:49:54 testaccount (L2 HOBe) (D:2) 00:50:02 testaccount (L2 HOBe) (D:2) 00:50:13 testaccount (L2 HOBe) (D:2) 00:50:36 -!- the_glow has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:00 the_glow: they know about the bug, if that's what you're here for 00:51:07 i kind of still wish chei posted commits, it would be easier for me to see which one it was 00:51:18 BlastHardcheese: ok cool, yeah thats what i was going to report 00:51:28 Zannick: you're a true sysadmin :) 00:51:32 don't worry bots always report the crashes in here 00:51:51 bh: :) 00:53:11 <|amethyst> hm 00:53:33 Ghin (L3 KoBe) (D:2) 00:53:35 <|amethyst> I fixed that one, but it still crashes in the same place when you drink a potion of experience 00:53:59 <|amethyst> it's almost certainly 9966aa71c571ff24f06802f12a3ac15ca45d7333 00:54:02 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 00:54:08 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 00:54:15 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 00:54:22 that's the one i'm looking at now, actually 00:55:07 Sapher (L11 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:55:08 <|amethyst> skm.m_switches is getting entries with null values 00:55:49 BahamutZERO (L3 DsFi) (D:3) 00:55:52 <|amethyst> in the case I tracked down, because of a !m_switches[sw] test ([] adds an entry if one doesn't exist) 00:55:57 Sapher (L11 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:55:59 BahamutZERO (L3 DsFi) (D:3) 00:56:08 <|amethyst> *but* that's always been that way---the change is that the same menu gets reused 00:56:54 Sapher (L11 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:57:16 crate (L25 HOHe) (Lair:1) 00:57:16 Chmeee (L2 SpEn) (D (Sprint)) 00:57:23 Sapher (L11 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 00:57:52 except that it was before, just by using pointers 00:58:21 Ghin (L4 KoBe) (D:2) 00:58:32 <|amethyst> Zannick: it was a local in skill_menu 00:58:35 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 00:58:50 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:59:03 <|amethyst> Zannick: (and the skmes were pointing to it, but since their extent is less than the menu's that's fine) 00:59:50 JackRogers (L9 DrMo) (D:6) 00:59:59 Chmeee (L2 SpEn) (D (Sprint)) 01:00:20 Chmeee (L1 SpEn) (D (Sprint)) 01:00:26 crate (L25 HOHe) (Slime:1) 01:00:47 <|amethyst> yes, it is that commit (works with the previous one, fails with that one) 01:02:20 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:06 JackRogers (L9 DrMo) (D:6) 01:03:09 crate (L25 HOHe) (Slime:3) 01:03:19 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:03:47 testaccount (L1 HOBe) (D:1) 01:03:47 is calling init() multiple times bad? 01:04:13 testaccount (L1 HOBe) (D:1) 01:04:24 testaccount (L1 HOBe) (D:1) 01:04:55 as far as i can tell, that's another change 01:04:57 JackRogers (L8 DrMo) (D:6) 01:05:00 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05:09 JackRogers (L8 DrMo) (D:6) 01:05:12 <|amethyst> there was no init() before 01:05:16 JackRogers (L8 DrMo) (D:6) 01:05:16 <|amethyst> was there? 01:05:24 previously it created a new SkillMenu every time skill_menu() was called 01:05:46 now it is using the same instance every time, but rerunning the initialization on it 01:05:47 testaccount (L1 HOBe) (D:1) 01:05:49 Chmeee (L2 SpEn) (D (Sprint)) 01:06:03 -!- evilmike has quit [] 01:06:56 Chmeee (L4 SpEn) (D (Sprint)) 01:07:24 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 01:07:31 Runemage (L15 MiFi) (D:16) 01:07:46 and init() creates a bunch of objects with new 01:08:06 hm. i doubt it's a memory issue if it only takes opening the skill menu twice 01:09:33 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 01:09:55 JackRogers (L1 TrMo) (D:1) 01:10:06 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 01:10:50 Ghin (L2 KoBe) (D:2) 01:14:54 <|amethyst> it's that not everything that needs to be cleared is 01:15:19 Runemage (L15 MiFi) (D:15) 01:15:52 Runemage (L15 MiFi) (D:15) 01:16:07 Runemage (L15 MiFi) (D:15) 01:16:26 <|amethyst> I'm adding a SkillMenu::clear() override that does that 01:16:38 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:17:23 hm 01:17:41 Sapher (L12 MuSu) (D (Sprint)) 01:17:44 m_switches[SKM_LEVEL] is only set if SKMF_CHANGED is set 01:18:27 Runemage (L15 MiFi) (D:15) 01:18:27 that seems suspicious to me, considering m_switches[SKM_LEVEL] is dereferenced in at least one place 01:18:29 JackRogers (L6 TrMo) (D:4) 01:18:39 crate (L26 HOHe) (Slime:6) 01:19:04 Magathrlibrary (L27 HEWz) (Pan) 01:19:06 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:20:05 -!- Mumcon has joined ##crawl-dev 01:20:58 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:21:04 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:21:30 Runemage (L15 MiFi) (D:15) 01:22:08 <|amethyst> well, let's try this for now; it fixes crashes for me, but I'm using the console (webtiles binary though) 01:22:11 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:22:29 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:22:49 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:22:53 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:22:54 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:23:03 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:23:10 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:23:13 why is that behind an if statement anyway 01:23:32 i'm almost fully convinced that's part of the issue 01:23:58 swinepaste (L3 MfMo) (D:2) 01:24:01 <|amethyst> possibly, but that hasn't changed 01:24:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:24:11 <|amethyst> I agree that it needs a second look, though 01:25:12 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:25:16 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-772-gbd7a0b9 (34) 01:25:17 rcs (L4 MiFi) (D:3) 01:25:53 <|amethyst> hmm 01:25:59 <|amethyst> well 01:26:06 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:10 <|amethyst> oh, duh 01:26:24 <|amethyst> I thought the game had frozen, but I really just had a SID prompt I missed :) 01:27:14 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:28:05 ans (L1 SpNe) (D:1) 01:28:24 !lm ans crash x=v 01:28:26 1. [2012-10-09] [v=0.12-a0] ans the Grave Robber (L1 SpNe) ? (D:1) 01:28:33 urgh. 01:28:44 <|amethyst> !lm ans crash -log 01:28:44 1. ans, XL1 SpNe, T:148 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ans/crash-ans-20121009-062804.txt 01:28:45 is there a long version or something? 01:28:51 that would be nice 01:29:00 <|amethyst> not in milestones, but it's in the dump 01:29:05 yeah, i'm just lazy 01:29:13 <|amethyst> that one's 771 so old 01:29:21 that's what i was figuring 01:30:06 -!- chris-oelmueller has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:32:04 -!- eb has quit [] 01:32:57 |amethyst: cheers on the quick fix 01:33:04 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:22 <|amethyst> we'll see if anything crashes 01:33:46 <|amethyst> I'm not really a fan of making skm global 01:34:27 <|amethyst> I guess a global pointer would be fine 01:34:41 having the Menu's member variables need to reference the Menu itself is super awkward 01:34:54 <|amethyst> but I don't like manually resetting things as opposed to just constructing anew 01:34:57 (and as far as I can tell, the reason behind having a global instance) 01:35:57 <|amethyst> well, that wouldn't be so awkward... but then that pointer was made class-static to save space 01:36:29 <|amethyst> so it wasn't actually reentrant, despite being local 01:37:05 <|amethyst> s/being/skm being/ 01:37:34 no, it's awkward because it forms a circular dependency that then needs class-static or file-global variables to get around 01:37:48 or passing this, etc. 01:37:57 just not a huge fan of that style, is all :) 01:43:52 -!- wasd22_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:47:04 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 01:52:52 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:47 -!- Pikkle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:55:41 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:12 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:18 psch (L8 NaWr) (D:6) 02:04:30 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 02:06:01 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 02:06:33 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:34 -!- tensorpudding_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:08:53 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:18 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:38 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 02:12:07 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:19:33 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:59 -!- bhaak is now known as slightly 02:20:22 -!- slightly is now known as bhaak 02:21:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:33:02 -!- Taynav has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:37:10 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40:04 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:43:18 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:46:27 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:27 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:49:36 |amethyst: thanks for the fix 02:51:44 and sorry for the bad design. I'm not very experienced with OO design 02:52:08 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:11 and I had to inherit from Menu and PrecisionMenu and I'm not sure they have a strong design too 02:52:16 -!- SkaryMonk1 is now known as SkaryMonk 02:52:43 err, inherit only from PrecisionMenu 02:53:09 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:25 I agree that having to reference the menu from the entries is weird, but I couldn't find another way 02:54:06 and since I was adding a new class, I was about to get a third class with a the skill menu as a static member 02:55:04 so I thought it would be cleaner to just make it a globabl, since that's what a static member is anyway 02:55:38 but maybe making only the pointer global would be better than the object 03:04:35 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:06:07 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:33 -!- Mumcon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:48 Snack (L10 MfGl) (D:10) 03:19:09 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:22 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:30:36 -!- ontoclasm2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:45:14 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:25 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 04:01:52 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:29 -!- Izicata_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:08:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 04:12:56 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:15:18 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 04:16:20 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:14 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:09 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:15 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:08 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:39:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:40:27 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:40:32 -!- JackRogers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40:37 -!- neunon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43:15 -!- casmith_789 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:43 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:13 -!- Ganrao has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:15 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:41 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:00:04 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-772-gbd7a0b9 05:04:12 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:28 !seen ColdPie 05:11:28 I last saw ColdPie at Mon Oct 8 22:28:43 2012 UTC (11h 42m 45s ago) saying sure. coldpies@gmail.com. i guess i should register on the wiki on ##crawl-dev. 06:02:08 -!- _dd has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:02:51 -!- Ganrao has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:03:49 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:37 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:49 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:24:52 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:05 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:29 -!- _dd is now known as Guest83353 06:30:10 -!- Guest83353 has quit [Client Quit] 06:31:08 -!- Jon-slashem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:32:05 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:36 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:34:03 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:22 -!- Rewans has quit [] 06:37:49 -!- darkpawbear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:40:37 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:42:14 re dpeg's email: one way to take it further would be to make traps undetectable, but sometimes known, depending on trap type 06:42:32 (or defined as known in a vault) 06:43:21 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:36 this makes the necessary trap vault review easier, offers hints of large trap fields, and known traps are also somewhat interesting by creating spaces you don't want to step on. 06:44:18 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:45:23 alefury: agreed. Known teleporation and shaft traps actually have positive valur. 06:47:42 -!- _dd_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:57 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:05 -!- ontoclasm2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:03:14 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:06:22 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08:59 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:01 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 07:36:24 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Client Quit] 07:37:27 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47:57 -!- Pang_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:57:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:56 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:03:24 -!- domiryuu has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:10:05 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:46 -!- barbs has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:16:38 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:23 -!- barbs has quit [Client Quit] 08:23:03 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:46 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:29:33 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:34 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:38 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:44 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:05:09 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 09:08:53 -!- ev_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:10:41 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:47 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41:09 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:13 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:16 Napkin: when closing a bug, the default "Fixed in version" is still 0.11. Shouldn't it be 0.12 09:54:32 I looked into the admin interface but couldn't find how to change it 09:56:35 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 10:05:15 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:10 -!- camicio has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:08:28 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:08:37 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:10:01 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:10:28 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25:55 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28:50 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:10 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 10:33:15 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:37:41 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:43:58 <|amethyst> !tell rax btw, Wensley has some changes to henzell; some are goofy, but there's one that fixes an encoding issue that showed up with a newer version of Bot::BasicBot (and required re-encoding the whole learndb) 10:43:58 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 10:44:49 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:20 <|amethyst> !tell rax I've set up the /var/www/ symlinks for the existing dirs, though I am confused about why e.g. 0.10 doesn't have a sprint milestones file 10:46:20 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 10:48:33 wensley said something about running wenzell even once CAO is back 10:48:37 though I don't know if he was serious or not 10:50:07 <|amethyst> !tell rax Still needed: webtiles (I'll work on this later today 2012-10-09), scoring, henzell, rfk, testing, cron scripts (ttyrec compression, updates, etc) 10:50:07 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 10:50:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:51:20 as long as my !apt change stays I am happy :P 10:53:25 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 10:53:54 |amethyst: yo 10:53:54 rax: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:54:39 If we cwant to use the same scoring scripts I might be able to get those back up? At one point at least I knew how :) 10:54:40 <|amethyst> hello 10:54:51 I can lso get the ttyrec compression stuff back up 10:55:08 <|amethyst> If you want to do some testing, just run /chroot/dgamelaunch 10:55:26 <|amethyst> I verified that I can get to char selection but I didn't go farther than that, and didn't try all game modes 10:56:40 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:04 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:14 <|amethyst> rax: also, I didn't set up 0.9 and earlier 10:58:40 <|amethyst> I guess probably those entries can be copied from the old dgamelaunch.conf 10:58:48 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 10:59:07 <|amethyst> since directory names etc would not need to be updated 10:59:48 rax: elliptic said something about getting the scoring scripts running IIRC 11:00:06 I don't think we need 0.9 and earlier set up 11:00:15 <|amethyst> it would be nice if we had a save from one of the old 0.11-a0 versions to test whether my "is webtiles supported" check works properly 11:00:22 We just keep the saves/scores around because I am an obsessive data hoarder 11:00:30 elliott: I just said that they could be set up anywhere if CAO doesn't want them any more... but if CAO does want them then that is good :) 11:00:31 We probably do, I just don't know which it would be 11:00:51 CAO is happy to host scoring stuff 11:02:02 <|amethyst> I've gtg for a little while; I'll probably work on webtiles later this afternoon or evening 11:06:08 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:12 |amethyst: when you're done with CAO, maybe you can help Napkin setting up 0.11 and trunk webtiles :) 11:08:19 gtg too 11:08:23 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 11:14:38 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 11:16:35 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:18:31 -!- yuriguro has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:29:38 fixed, galehar 11:34:51 -!- StekarDraken has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:13 !cheers Napkin 11:36:14 * Wenzell slides a flagon of whiskey across the bar to Napkin, on the house. 11:39:45 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:27 !cheers dpeg 11:41:29 * Wenzell slides a glass of vodka across the bar to dpeg, on the house. 11:41:42 how's it going, dpeg? :) 11:46:46 -!- ChrisOelmueller has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:57 -!- ChrisOelmueller is now known as Guest33367 11:47:26 Napkin: alright! gtg though, like everyone else :) 11:48:04 -!- knaveightt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:49:59 hehe 11:59:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:48 -!- Guest33367 is now known as chris-oelmueller 12:14:58 -!- domiryuu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:16:27 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:28 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:21:35 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Quit: ABCDEFGHIJK,MNO,,RSTU,,,,, is what it looks like] 12:33:45 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 12:36:52 -!- timbw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:32 -!- Venter_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:42:35 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Client Quit] 12:43:00 -!- whog has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:06 -!- chris-oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 12:50:24 -!- whog has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:50:59 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 12:51:42 -!- Porost_ is now known as Porost 12:53:58 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Client Quit] 12:55:42 -!- Keratin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:03:25 -!- BanMido_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 13:12:20 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:42 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 13:24:13 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:25:40 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:26:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:15 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:27:50 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 13:32:28 -!- KingEdRock has quit [Client Quit] 13:37:45 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Client Quit] 13:41:31 -!- seriosu has quit [] 13:44:03 -!- yxhuvud has quit [] 13:46:38 -!- jaccarmac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:46:39 -!- User82 has quit [Quit: User82] 13:54:02 MarvinPA: Xom <3 :) 13:55:45 oh MarvinPA pushed the things 13:55:48 I keep expecting commit announcement 13:55:49 s 13:55:59 yes, Cheibriados has left us 13:56:03 perhaps he is just a bit slow 13:56:17 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:05 dpeg, that would be appropriate 13:57:07 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 13:59:47 <|amethyst> I could turn commit announcements back on, but that means another flood if gitorious time-warps again 14:00:45 -!- Ragdoll_ has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 14:01:39 |amethyst: you could turn if off again, should that happen? 14:01:50 |amethyst: that seems ok 14:01:54 <|amethyst> yeah, but I might not be at the keyboard then :) 14:01:57 not that hard to mute it if necessary 14:02:00 no pain no gain 14:05:05 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:05 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 14:05:06 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is down for major renovations, front page updated with news, try CSZO instead! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 14:05:20 -!- spaceships has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:29 were you guys hit by the CIA fallout, too? or have you always used your own commit bot? 14:06:04 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:47 <|amethyst> the former; Chei (and its predecessor Ashenzari) has supported commit announcements, but there are bugs :) 14:07:08 for my own projects I use my own bot with a RSS module (slightly modified for short urls and other stuff) 14:10:15 no, what you need is to recognize merges separately like cia did 14:10:15 it had nothing to do with merges aiui 14:10:40 and have only "550 commits merged from x branch to y branch" sent 14:10:41 instead of 550 lines 14:10:41 that's what it was last time, iirc 14:10:59 <|amethyst> that was time before last 14:11:12 <|amethyst> last time gitorious served up a week-old HEAD briefly 14:11:26 <|amethyst> when it returned to normalcy, there were a week's worth of commits 14:11:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:11:46 that's only a problem in active projects ;-) 14:11:54 <|amethyst> I fixed the branch problem in the branch -> master direction 14:11:59 <|amethyst> err 14:12:05 <|amethyst> in the master -> branch direction 14:12:23 <|amethyst> merging a branch into master still shows the commits 14:13:33 <|amethyst> (cherry-picks are specially handled, and are only counted instead of being announced) 14:15:01 bhaak: unnethack doesn't have that problem eh :P 14:16:47 elliott: of course, as it doesn't rely on bad 3rd party announcement software, but my own splendid code! 14:17:11 I was thinking the active projects thing 14:18:54 :) 14:19:07 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:19:25 -!- Senri has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:35 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:30:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:08 <|amethyst> !lm . x=src 14:44:09 6235. [2012-10-09] [src=cao] Neil the Ruffian (L1 TrBe) abandoned Trog on turn 30. (D:1) 14:44:31 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:45:23 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark could you add http://crawl.akrasiac.org/milestones11 and logfile11 to Sequell (also, -sprint and -zotdef variants of both the above) 14:45:23 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:47:05 <|amethyst> !lm . x=src,v,cv 14:47:05 6236. [2012-10-09] [src=cao;v=0.10.3;cv=0.10] Neil the Ducker (L1 SpBe) abandoned Trog on turn 0. (D:1) 14:47:29 <|amethyst> !lg . 14:47:29 4523. Neil the Ruffian (L1 TrBe), quit the game on D:1 (lemuel entry rhombus) on 2012-10-09, with 20 points after 31 turns and 0:00:49. 14:48:04 <|amethyst> !lg . 14:48:04 4524. Neil the Ducker (L1 SpBe), quit the game on D:1 (evilmike entry plus) on 2012-10-09, with 20 points after 1 turn and 0:01:08. 14:48:49 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:18 -!- BoredOne has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:19 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:59:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:04 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:18 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:08:48 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:10:13 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:19:03 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:25:52 -!- Nomi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:44:18 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 15:44:31 <|amethyst> rax: so webtiles is up and running, and the save downloader and rebuild trigger both seem to work 15:44:48 oh wow sweet 15:44:58 |amethyst: <3 15:45:04 <|amethyst> rax: and, other than the 0.11 logfiles and milestones being unknown to Sequell, things seem to work 15:45:11 <|amethyst> !lg . x=src,vc 15:45:11 Unknown selector vc 15:45:12 <|amethyst> !lg . x=src,cv 15:45:12 4524. [src=cao;cv=0.10] Neil the Ducker (L1 SpBe), quit the game on D:1 (evilmike entry plus) on 2012-10-09, with 20 points after 1 turn and 0:01:08. 15:45:13 <|amethyst> !lg . x=src,cv -2 15:45:14 4523/4524. [src=cao;cv=0.12-a] Neil the Ruffian (L1 TrBe), quit the game on D:1 (lemuel entry rhombus) on 2012-10-09, with 20 points after 31 turns and 0:00:49. 15:45:18 <|amethyst> !lm . x=src,cv -2 15:45:19 6235/6236. [2012-10-09] [src=cao;cv=0.12-a] Neil the Ruffian (L1 TrBe) abandoned Trog on turn 30. (D:1) 15:45:26 Sequell is hosted elsewhere and someone else needs to change it 15:45:31 I think greensnark? 15:45:36 <|amethyst> rax: already sent a message to greensnark 15:45:42 awesome 15:45:43 <|amethyst> rax: I think we can re-enable ssh whenever 15:46:07 <|amethyst> with some caveats that things like save transfers and old trunk versions still need more testing 15:46:55 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:47 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:53 -!- jj99 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:03:23 -!- ldierk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:34 -!- ldierk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:19 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-783-g36f1f21 (34) 16:05:11 -!- Pthing has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:38 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:05:42 <|amethyst> save transfers seem to work 16:05:53 <|amethyst> I had to install a few more binaries (cat, tr, ps, sed) into the chroot 16:06:08 <|amethyst> err, sed was there; grep I meant 16:10:32 galehar: curious comment by minmay on fighting reform. He sits firmly in the "axes are now nerfed to death" camp, which is funny because others believe that axes are currently the no-brainer weapon. Gotta love it :) 16:12:04 -!- chlorine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13:58 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:14:02 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:17 -!- popbob has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:29 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:31 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:20 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:20:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 16:21:25 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:21:25 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:23:13 -!- codrus has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:23:20 <|amethyst> rax: ancient save handling should work correctly now 16:24:43 <|amethyst> rax: and rfk seems to work with no changes :) 16:26:37 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 16:34:02 -!- thighhigh has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 16:35:06 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:55 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:41:26 <|amethyst> rax: I added the 'joshua' account and set up the password and authorized_keys 16:41:43 <|amethyst> rax: so it's effectively up, time to write announcements :) 16:42:51 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:43:02 i found kitten 16:43:04 whee 16:44:00 naga constricts plant for no reason (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6296) by DragonRe 16:44:08 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:23 if only I still knew my CAO password 16:47:15 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:47:43 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I can reset it for you 16:48:11 |amethyst: that would be great ;) 16:49:06 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 16:50:14 <|amethyst> edlothiol: webtiles is at http://webtiles.akrasiac.org/ (redirects to cao:8080) 16:52:44 <|amethyst> !tell Wensley might want to talk to rax about a peaceful handover of power 16:52:44 |amethyst: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 16:53:00 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:53:06 <|amethyst> !tell Wensley (henzell still needs to be set up) 16:53:06 |amethyst: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 16:54:21 <|amethyst> !learn edit is_cao_down[1] s/yes/maybe/ 16:54:21 is cao down[1/1]: maybe 16:56:43 <|amethyst> !tell rax rebuild button at http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/, webtiles at http://webtiles.akrasiac.org/ -> http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/ 16:56:44 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 16:56:53 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:31 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 16:58:51 a-mazing a-methyst! 16:59:13 -!- Venter_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:19 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:03 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:36 -!- _dd_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:09:07 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:20 -!- _dd_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:54 <|amethyst> !tell rax compressing all the old uncompressed ttyrecs; I also configured apache to serve up the file even if you leave ".bz2" off the URL (it's still compressed, but this is sufficient to make FooTV work correctly) 17:15:54 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 17:18:47 is it really necessary to tell a bot to send messages to someone who's in the channel 17:19:17 <|amethyst> I guess not 17:19:23 <|amethyst> rax does read her scrollback 17:20:57 <|amethyst> their 17:22:46 the real question is if rax read any messages :) 17:24:52 you can set up your irc client to log your highlights to a separate file :) 17:25:01 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Quit: TTFN!] 17:25:37 <|amethyst> you can search for your nick on s-z.org/crawl-dev/ 17:26:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:27:18 |amethyst: is it intentional that the key has changed 17:27:28 <|amethyst> elliott: probably not 17:27:36 well ssh complains it has 17:27:45 <|amethyst> I didn't want to reset to the old one without talking to rax 17:27:57 it's a new machine, last i heard 17:28:04 <|amethyst> since that would cause problems for people with the new key 17:28:12 does anyone have the new key? :P 17:28:27 it works for me 17:28:28 the key hasn't changed 17:28:35 -!- Flun is now known as flunbolic 17:28:37 with the same key that is, yeah 17:28:39 <|amethyst> the host key changed 17:28:43 yes, that 17:28:56 oh, right, I forgot "key" is ambiguous there :) 17:28:58 yes, I mean the host key 17:29:17 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:23 <|amethyst> rax: how do you feel about going back to the old host key? 17:31:39 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:32:02 -!- stenno has quit [Changing host] 17:32:28 <|amethyst> rax: it would spare users some dire-looking warnings (especially openssh users, who have to do a bit of work to remove the old hostkey) 17:33:22 <|amethyst> who's naltkor? 17:37:37 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:11 ColdPie: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:concept:random_god:miniature 17:45:16 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:54:20 -!- camicio has quit [] 18:24:08 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:08 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 18:24:08 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: CAO is down for major renovations, front page updated with news, try CSZO instead! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 18:24:31 |amethyst: really freezed :) Now playing same guy on s-z 18:24:51 <|amethyst> odd, no clue what happened there 18:25:25 -!- rkd has quit [] 18:25:25 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:37 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:32 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:29:18 Tsuno (L6 CeDK) (Zot (ZotDef)) 18:29:43 <|amethyst> !lm tsuno crash zotdef -log 18:29:44 2. Tsuno, XL6 CeDK, T:780 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Tsuno/crash-Tsuno-20121009-232918.txt 18:29:57 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:30:00 <|amethyst> crash in print_wounds 18:30:13 <|amethyst> from a mirror damage final effect 18:30:35 mirror on orb desecration damage 18:30:58 fr: orb of desecration 18:31:09 messes with altars and stuff 18:31:49 orb of xom 18:32:07 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 18:37:35 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:36 -!- Pialein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:21 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:40 laxity (L3 HOBe) ERROR: range check error (-56 / 17) (D:2) 18:41:41 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:58 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:37 kilobyte: thanks, i got those messages - guess i shouldn't wrack my head over in-ttyrec search capabilities/rewind so much 18:48:30 <|amethyst> hrm... it's as though the mid changed in the middle of the function 18:48:43 -!- zencephalon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:52 sounds like a race condition! 18:49:34 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:35 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:20 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:56:34 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:26 <|amethyst> hm, the other data seems to be junk 18:57:47 <|amethyst> I suspect double-free or something 18:58:12 <|amethyst> time for valgrind 18:58:19 -!- Taynav has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:01:57 <|amethyst> yes... the crash is hard to trigger, but valgrind complains almost immediately 19:04:45 WebTiles: Loading 0.11 game after trunk game causes graphical errors (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6297) by Medar 19:08:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 19:11:34 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:08 evening'ish 19:12:17 Evening 19:13:18 how are the tentacles? 19:13:40 Well, I haven't gotten around to them for a day or two, but hoping to get a few more hours in tonighrt 19:13:50 bh: did you read some of the s-z backlog? I really think the bear would be fine if it was just a fast sack of health with nasty melee and blink_close in abyss, simply by virtue of abyss making escape difficult and prolonged fights nasty 19:14:41 HangedMan: then it's essentially done. I *did* make it summon butterflies on death, cause sometimes gimmicks are fun 19:15:41 well, I was thinking of it thus not needing haste 19:15:52 I'm working on an infinitely large abyssal castle. I'm ambivalent about the walls being hollow. Might turn them into 'loot chutes' 19:16:28 an infinitely long castle, with attendants informing you the entrance is at the other end 19:16:46 Zannick: you've flown out of IAD too? 19:17:02 where is that? 19:17:09 i think yes, i have :P 19:17:12 s/the entrance/your princess/;s/at the .*/in another castle/ 19:17:12 Washington Dulles 19:17:23 hm, i don't think so, then 19:17:31 "loot chutes" meaning what, exactly? 19:17:36 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:57 HangedMan: an area of reliably free movement in the abyss 19:18:53 ah, fair 19:19:30 might not be very abyss-like, though 19:19:38 shafts where creatures dump their loot 19:19:47 so they end up on lower levels 19:20:14 I had to struggle to not take a mikee_ suggestion for a jelly drop vault that used shafts instead of teleportation traps 19:20:28 ew 19:21:42 A 'castle' may still work okay in the Abyss as long as its form is chaotic, twisted, and unpredicatble. Suggestive of form, rather than structured 19:23:46 Unfortunately I'm not a constructive solid geometrist 19:23:50 geometer 19:25:52 bh: I don't think abyss really needs wandering orc priests considering the larger orc bands and smoke demons cover the smiting angle 19:26:56 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:06 -!- bh has quit [Quit: back in a bit] 19:27:09 also I would kind of think hydras and catoblepae for lair reps before yaks and crocodiles considering they're pretty ignorable mon 19:27:20 rest peacefully 19:27:39 !tell bh HangedMan would kind of think hydras and catoblepae for lair reps before yaks and crocodiles considering they're pretty ignorable mon 19:27:39 monqy: OK, I'll let bh know. 19:27:56 -!- ldierk_ has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:30:17 they're pretty ignorable, mon 19:30:48 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:34 |amethyst: I think old hostkey is fine 19:39:34 rax: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:40:25 aaaaaa messages aaaaaaaaaaaa 19:41:19 >.> !tell rax they're all from |amethyst 19:41:27 -!- _dd_ has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:41:32 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 19:42:46 yeah I ahve read them :) 19:43:06 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:31 -!- _dd is now known as Guest35709 19:47:36 1tell rax hi 19:47:42 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:51:21 hi 19:53:30 -!- Guest35709 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:56:04 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56:37 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 19:57:47 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:43 -!- eb has quit [Client Quit] 19:59:43 * |amethyst ♥s valgrind 20:00:32 |amethyst * 0.12-a0-784-g0b80a8e: Fix memory corruption when merging fineffs. (9 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/0b80a8ecbde2 20:06:48 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:34 -!- tensorpudding_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:10:14 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:12:59 -!- ogsus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-dev] 20:13:07 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:50 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:22 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:19:07 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:30 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:05 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 20:29:06 how do I remove all travel exclusions from the map? 20:29:06 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:29:11 !messages 20:29:11 (1/1) monqy said (1h 1m 32s ago): HangedMan would kind of think hydras and catoblepae for lair reps before yaks and crocodiles considering they're pretty ignorable mon 20:29:17 <|amethyst> bh: X ctrl-e 20:29:25 |amethyst: programmatically :) 20:30:04 I suppose the short answer is "Look at the code that that invokes" 20:30:14 <|amethyst> clear_excludes() maybe 20:30:35 is this brimstone stuff? 20:30:38 <|amethyst> but that does nothing on levels without persistent mapping 20:31:04 |amethyst: all levels have persistent mapping I believe 20:31:34 no 20:31:40 labyrinths, abyss don't 20:31:47 <|amethyst> LFLAG_NO_MAP 20:31:51 Yes they do. They just have aggressive maprot 20:32:15 well presumably |amethyst wouldn't talk about a concept that doesn't exist rather than an almost-identical concept that does... 20:32:31 <|amethyst> the function is called is_map_persistent(), don't blame me :) 20:33:16 -!- Beneather has quit [Quit: Beneather] 20:34:12 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:34:18 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 20:34:31 |amethyst: I'm getting automatically placed travel exclusions on abyss vaults that persist after shifting 20:35:34 <|amethyst> hrm 20:35:41 I don't believe this is a regression 20:35:56 <|amethyst> yeah, it's probably not 20:36:18 <|amethyst> could remove that check from clear_excludes() and see if anything else breaks 20:36:29 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:07 I could set the abyss and labs back to being unmappable. 20:37:32 They were changed on the grounds that it's annoying to have the whole map jump when you took a step 20:38:46 what about the grounds that having a map is useful even if it's not always accurate (in the case of labs, it's usually accurate, too) 20:39:09 imo labs shouldn't maprot but sometimes the map can be wrong 20:39:10 there was that too. 20:39:25 monqy: that would probably make it amazingly more playable 20:40:39 imo autoexplore should work in labs 20:42:10 elliott: you can write that piece of code 20:47:57 -!- serious_jules has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:48:17 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:41 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:50:12 If we wanted auto-explore to work in labs we might as well replace the portal with 'kill this minotaur, get some loot' 20:51:21 <|amethyst> there's no code to write; if maprot is disabled, you can just remove the bit that says "can't autoexplore in Lab" 20:51:50 not quite 20:51:52 the shifts make it get stuck 20:51:57 <|amethyst> with maprot still on, autoexplore will get stuck in loops but still usually eventually solve it 20:52:05 <|amethyst> elliott: in practise they don't 20:52:10 they did when i tried it 20:52:15 <|amethyst> hm 20:52:32 anyway you really just need a "dumb" maze solver with some conflips to prevent the morphs messing up the naive algorithm right 20:52:54 bh: it's pretty much that, but you have to spend some food and turns and do a maze (if a dumb algorithm can do it it's worthless to make humans do it) 20:53:31 or is your point that labs shouldn't exist? I hear some devs don't like that point!! 20:53:40 monqy: That's my point. 20:53:53 I like that point. 20:54:17 I'm okay with labs. But I suppose it would also be okay if they were more interesting. 20:54:20 monqy: 41qys-crawl fr labs are the "classical" labyrinth which is just a spiral with a minotaur at the end 20:54:22 there are vague plans to change labs 20:54:35 in one way or another 20:54:56 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:55:06 I've heard things thrown around but forgot them all 20:55:13 Sort of likewise 20:55:15 something about removing maprot 20:55:34 something about making them a ton smaller 20:56:40 Yay for functions with curious return values that are never ever used 20:56:56 Reverse labs could be fun. You have the loot. The minotaur wants to kill you. There's other stuff in the level that can hurt you. Do you rest up or keep running? 21:00:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 21:01:17 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:44 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 21:12:39 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 21:15:22 -!- Krag has quit [Client Quit] 21:22:57 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 21:27:23 -!- flowsnake has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 21:30:00 -!- Hyphen-ated has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:33:49 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:13 dolorous * 0.12-a0-785-gcaee588: Add indentation fixes. (in the future, 1 file, 3+ 3-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/caee588e5ffc 21:42:58 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:20 -!- naalis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:45:26 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 21:45:44 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:17 -!- zizzyx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:51:56 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:56:17 -!- Hyphen-ated has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:57:16 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 22:02:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:56 -!- hagb4rd has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:06:15 -!- dumplings has quit [] 22:13:13 -!- SevenDeadlySins has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:25 -!- zizzyx has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:20:29 <|amethyst> rax: okay, I replaced the RSA and DSA keys with the old ones 22:21:10 <|amethyst> rax: the ecdsa key is still the new one, so if your ssh client supports that algorithm you shouldn't see an error 22:22:39 ??ignacio 22:22:40 ignacio[1/2]: Unique executioner found in Pandemonium in 0.9. Comes with executioner's axe of pain, casts agony (basically torment that checks MR). Pandemonium Prince Ribbit. 22:33:31 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:50 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:15 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:44:00 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Quit: Out at the horizon, out near the burnished edge of the world, who are these visitors standing...] 22:44:54 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 22:57:15 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:27 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:23 -!- valrus_ is now known as valrus 23:09:31 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 23:09:41 -!- roque is now known as Wensley 23:11:37 -!- flunbolic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:13:24 -!- Poncheis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:14:09 -!- Wenzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:22 -!- Wenzell has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:42 -!- remyroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:51 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:32:59 Incidentally, it just occured to me that kraken aren't fleeing now. Is this a result of that global change to make most things not flee? That sort of makes their ink ability pointless in a lot of situations, though, since they won't actually try to use it for cover 23:33:31 good point, they should get fleeing 23:35:21 There's a command to get monster generation stats, right? 23:35:44 crawl --script place-population.lua 23:36:04 the lua file has a comment (near the bottom for some reason) saying how to use it 23:36:18 -!- Rewans has quit [] 23:37:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 23:37:46 oh, you probably want it for the abyss. I dont think it works there 23:37:55 maybe it will though, I never tried it 23:38:14 Nice to know that not ever bug I find with the code I'm working on is a regression I accidentally caused >.> 23:38:28 Not that this is the slightest bit important as bugs go 23:39:18 evilmike: yes, that is what I want it for :) 23:39:21 (A slight problem with message ordering if you kill a kraken under particular circumstances) 23:40:40 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:42:10 Why was 'distortion is unholy' reverted? 23:42:35 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:43:35 Well, it isn't? 23:43:59 banish is 23:44:03 evilmike * 0.12-a0-786-g5b3e6b2: Give krakens M_FLEES. (6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/5b3e6b2cc93e 23:44:52 It is? That itself seems odd to me 23:45:16 I mean, spatial vortexes can banish you, but they're clearly not unholy things 23:45:42 a tiger can kill you but a person can also kill you 23:46:25 a spatial vortex can banish you that's just what it does. people know better and banishing is a mean thing to do!!! the abyss is full of demons and it's a bad place 23:47:10 of course the good gods are fine with killing but I guess it's not like getting sent to hell it's more like becoming a ghost which they also hate???? 23:47:23 i try not to think about it 23:49:06 though typically the devs define good to be "what the good gods like" and then define that either by gameplay or arbitrarily 23:49:20 banish is evil for the same reason beogh is: 23:49:24 i am guessing this is a gameplay choice, although its merit may be questionable!!! 23:50:20 Well, the only thing all the good gods agree on as bad is necromancy, draining, and demon weapons, yes? 23:50:42 being a demon, being a mummy, being a ghoul, being a vampire, drinking blood, cannibalism 23:51:01 something about allies? 23:51:02 I thought good gods hate mummys to stop scumming. 23:51:09 Oh yeah, being things. Forgot about the blood (because why would you care if you're not a vampire?) 23:51:15 i think it's interesting when ethically questionable things are morally good 23:51:36 if you were a good god would you like a magically-animated undead creature with special a tapping into the forces of evil y or n 23:51:41 good god piety over time doesn't exist any more anyway 23:51:48 *a special tapping 23:52:01 elliott: great. Time to have Mummy of Zin! 23:54:32 Why must every second thing I do to this code make it crash? T.T 23:55:14 muhe is a thing 23:55:15 Krakens are brittle things 23:56:09 https://gist.github.com/3863247 not quite sure how to interpret this monster report 23:57:11 nice "bat"