00:05:25 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-672-g42cfbbb (34) 00:05:46 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:46 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 00:05:46 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:05 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:07:42 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:10:03 -!- Poncheis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:46 maybe one day I'll live long enough to play in the abyss 00:12:13 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:35 -!- princelier has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:02 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 00:14:15 ? 00:14:24 monqy: I'm a rubbish crawler. 00:14:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:23:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:37:17 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:29 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:03 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:57 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:17 -!- Achlys has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:10:09 -!- maha has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 01:31:40 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:32:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 01:32:30 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:38:55 -!- eurtek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:40:39 -!- elliott has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:00 sweet christ Klown attacks hit hard 01:43:22 Harold (09@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 76 | AC/EV: 0/8 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1238 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), blink | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:43:22 %??harold 01:44:35 do you mean the monster or the attack flavour 01:44:41 the latter 01:45:15 !lg * killer=killer klown max=dam x=dam 01:45:16 53. [dam=129] coyo7e the Eclecticist (L27 HuWz), worshipper of Vehumet, annihilated by a Killer Klown on Zot:4 on 2011-03-06, with 632673 points after 124248 turns and 21:14:58. 01:45:39 Well, the attack flavor isn't going to hit any harder than chaos did 01:45:42 !lg * max=dam x=dam 01:45:43 negative resistance? 01:45:49 1827126. [dam=2652] b0rsuk the Sensei (L23 NaTm), annihilated by randart's ghost on Elf:2 on 2009-05-03, with 331353 points after 85691 turns and 8:26:51. 01:45:49 Almost certainly 01:46:04 that 129 game was rC- + AF_COLD, yeah 01:46:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:52:16 good or bad idea Chaotic Resistance: confers some number of resistance at random turn by turn 01:53:37 bh: it doesn't really seem that much different from just having the average resistance 01:53:50 good point... 01:53:55 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:57 bh: dragonhide cloak 01:53:58 ? 01:55:41 monqy: but for monsters 01:55:58 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:25 Why is Tukima's now level 5? And how much better does it scale now? 01:57:05 SPELL_MELEE, that looks like a hack 01:57:52 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 01:58:53 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:59:00 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:13 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 02:10:44 -!- bh has quit [Quit: bh] 02:10:59 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:54 -!- Jacobe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:12:08 elliptic: it would when an individual powerful attack can matter a lot 02:12:52 -!- voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:19:13 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 02:21:15 -!- BanMido has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:36:18 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 03:07:58 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:17:55 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:31:43 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 03:38:25 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 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has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:32 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:40 -!- radiolit has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:30:51 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:30:51 why was she named lucy 10:33:57 that seems like an "aerith and bob" kind of situation assuming all the other gods still had names like kikubaaqudgha and sif muna and so on, was there a reason for it 10:34:15 feawn 10:34:34 probably just placeholder or something 10:34:41 oh 10:36:26 -!- Pingas_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:46 Chronos 10:37:11 brian's orc god 10:37:38 tell me beogh was really called "brian's orc god" in-game at one point 10:37:58 I think it was just in source comments 10:38:01 damn 10:38:54 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39:51 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:55 -!- Pingas has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 10:41:22 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:25 Lugafu the Hairy 10:42:34 present in a function that converted magic number -> string 10:42:57 mostly Trog 0.1, not actually used in the game 10:43:08 fr name buggy gods lugafu 10:43:52 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48:26 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 10:49:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:22 -!- piss has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:20 currently it's "Buggy" (although there's so many asserts it can't possibly happen), also if a fork of 0.8 would introduce a new god, 0.9 and later will display it as "Marduk" 10:56:02 so s|Marduk|Lugafu| 10:57:53 you mean, there's so many people who would use 0.8 as the base of a fork? 10:59:15 !seen dtsund 10:59:15 I last saw dtsund at Sun Sep 30 09:43:04 2012 UTC (6h 16m 11s ago) quitting with message Ping timeout: 245 seconds. 10:59:45 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Take my advice. I don't use it anyway] 11:02:33 HangedMan: he keeps picking infrastructure commits, so I guess save structure ones are in 11:05:41 -!- HangedMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:06:32 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:06:34 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 11:07:38 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:08:47 |amethyst: who maintains the dgamelaunch tree these days? 11:10:16 would be good to have DGL print "\ec" (ESC 'c') after a game, to fully reset the terminal. Or at least re-enable the cursor, as exiting Crawl loses it like 1/3 of the time. 11:15:36 -!- radiolit has quit [Client Quit] 11:18:45 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:44 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:45 -!- Leibowitz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:30:46 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:17 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:46 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:02 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:34 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:31 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-674-g104b006: Remove an unused monster enchantment. (15 hours ago, 2 files, 7+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/104b006d6dd0 11:54:31 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-673-g3341503: Fix two future breakages. (15 hours ago, 2 files, 7+ 3-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/33415038db14 11:55:00 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:58:03 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:11:52 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:12:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 12:15:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:15:42 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:01 -!- TheUnlifeAquatic has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:22:57 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 12:31:23 -!- Benhimself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:22 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 12:37:30 -!- Choko5 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:46:19 I tried to give the Teddy Bear 'summon butterflies', but now he never hastes himself 13:10:04 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:36 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:34 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:46 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:00 !apt ha 13:30:01 Ha: Air: 1, Armour: -2, Axes: -1, Bows: 2, Charms: 1, Conj: -2, Xbows: -1, Dodge: 2, Earth: 0, Evo: 2, Exp: 1!, Fighting: -1, Fire: 0, Hexes: -1, HP: -1, Ice: 0, Inv: 1, Long: 0, Maces: -2, MP: 0, Nec: -2, Poison: -1, Polearms: -3, Shields: 1, Short: 3!, Slings: 4!, Splcast: -3, Stab: 0, Staves: -2, Stealth: 4, Summ: -1, Throw: 3!, Tloc: 1, Tmut: -4*, Traps: 0, UC: -2* 13:30:33 ! = best for any species, * = worst for any species? 13:31:33 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:14 right 13:45:01 -!- Ilirion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:54:55 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 13:55:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56:11 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:31 is there some way to coax a monster into casting? 14:11:21 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 14:11:45 maybe put it on the other side of deep water? 14:11:59 That's not very helpful when I want it to berserk or haste 14:12:03 hm 14:12:15 well, it'll still haste 14:12:18 uhh 14:13:08 some things only cast berserk as an emergency spell 14:13:14 so maybe knock it down to low hp 14:13:23 escape spells are sort of broken 14:13:28 well yes 14:13:35 i thought grunt fixed escape spells a while ago or something 14:13:59 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:21 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:58 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:19:35 -!- Pang_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:56 -!- sacredchao is now known as stenno 14:25:25 -!- kwel01 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:25:46 -!- ctair has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 14:38:28 Tentacle pathfinding seems unnecessarily convoluted, though I wonder if some of that is just me 14:38:48 -!- Codrus has quit [Quit: o/] 14:40:42 I've stared at this block of code for like 20 minutes now and I'm still not quite sure what it's doing 14:41:27 I mean, it's scanning for the position to retract the tentacle to, but it seems to be doing other stuff too 14:47:30 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:53:34 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:58:07 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:29 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09:40 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:09:49 -!- Fhqwhgads_ is now known as Fhqwhgads 15:10:24 -!- zencephalon is now known as SlyShy 15:13:18 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:14:16 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:14:29 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:16 -!- Achlys is now known as Keratin 15:26:46 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:31:17 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:51 ontoclasm * 0.12-a0-675-g8553e6c: Embiggen troll skeletons (2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/8553e6c049b5 15:42:14 -!- ZRN has quit [] 15:43:54 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:55:42 dammit, even without fever, I can't come up with decent messages for config file crap 15:57:34 so let's put it this way: if anyone can suggest something (the error message at startup, the changelog) that tells people they should just nuke anything they didn't write themselves and s/=/+=/ the rest, it'd be great. But come hell or high water, I'm pressing the "tag" button before this midnight. 15:57:39 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:22 Cherry-picked 4 commits into stone_soup-0.11 16:01:15 kilobyte: well, the current message more or less adequately explains how to fix configuration settings that the user has customised. How about adding something like "If you haven't changed a setting from its default, you can simply remove its line from $filename, or remove the file entirely if you haven't modified your configuration at all."? 16:01:25 (to the error message) 16:01:30 not the most elegant wording, perhaps, but it gets the message across 16:02:14 the current message says anything only about += 16:02:48 which means, any settings which you won't remove will be left with whatever was the default at some point long in the past 16:03:11 right, but it can simply show that additional message whenever it complains about using = for += 16:03:12 even if it's no longer syntactically correct, in which case you may or may not receive an error message 16:03:23 since the two soon-to-be-mistakes will coincidence 16:03:58 yeah, that's what I'm thinking 16:04:19 it's just hard to come with some decent wording 16:05:10 how about "If you haven't changed your configuration, you can simply delete or blank $filename. Otherwise, remove the lines that you haven't changed from the default."? 16:05:33 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:06:01 |amethyst has already migrated default configuration once, so he could automatically blank everyone with a default configuration in 0.11... so this will probably mainly only affect offline users I guess? 16:07:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: re dgl... I have one patch on top of Napkin's repo right now... should probably update upstream, paxed mentioned bugfixes 16:09:02 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:09 -!- pantaril has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:13 there might be some other cause for Crawl not restoring terminal settings correctly 16:12:07 at least on CDO, when it decides to leave cursor disabled, editing the config is not exactly fun 16:12:54 I don't see anything like that locally though 16:13:46 unless it's a SIGKILL or something of this kind (like SIGSTOP from the debugger), Crawl always restores the terminal to sanity 16:16:41 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:32 I think it would be best to put a more detailed explanation of the change in options_guide.txt 16:23:42 and point changelog and error message to it 16:27:19 <|amethyst> I made a section on list options; that can be expanded 16:27:32 <|amethyst> Should we add ^= to 0.11 btw? 16:27:54 <|amethyst> it has been pointed out that it's kind of hard to override default matches in e.g. message_colour 16:28:09 <|amethyst> since the first match wins, and += appends 16:29:27 it basically completely breaks message mutes also 16:29:29 ??summoner 16:29:30 summoner[1/3]: Tired of message spam? Add this line to your options: "message_colour += mute:Your.*(bites|misses|hits|stings)". 16:29:30 <|amethyst> elliott suggested to make += prepend in those cases, but I don't feel comfortable changing the semantics like that 16:29:49 <|amethyst> (or to process the list in reverse) 16:29:49 hmm, idea: we can use includes to detect outdated config files 16:29:51 that wasn't really what I suggested, but ^= would work :p 16:30:26 right, it would always append, just later message colours would override previous ones (which can be implemented as going forward but never breaking or just processing from the end)... but it sounds too late to do that for 0.11 anyway 16:31:47 <|amethyst> I'm not convinced later-overrides is really more intuitive for most people, and for a computer scientist it's counterintuitive. I have my prejudices :P 16:32:14 <|amethyst> I'm thinking of firewall rules etc 16:32:39 it's not even obvious that it's a later override since the defaults live somewhere else entirely now 16:33:01 <|amethyst> yeah, that is the bigger problem 16:33:44 <|amethyst> I was thinking with ^= we can just say something like "Use ^= to override" in the docs and the foo = bar deprecation message 16:33:46 at least previously you could get confused as to why on earth it wasn't working and then copy everything to the top of your config, before the includes 16:34:01 now there's even less indication as to why it doesn't work :P 16:34:26 a good thing, though: outside of servers, to have an obsolete config, you had to copy it yourself (as suggested), so folks will at least have a clue what the error message is talking about 16:35:08 well, not that hard for |amethyst to blank the configs of anyone who is using a stock 0.11/0.12 config 16:35:23 <|amethyst> why would I do that? 16:35:29 <|amethyst> if a blank config isn't default 16:35:36 |amethyst: blank config is meant to be the default now, isn't it? 16:35:39 everything is commented out 16:35:47 (by blank I mean just the commented-out lines that are the default init.txt) 16:36:02 <|amethyst> ah 16:36:05 after += there were still some defaults in init.txt but kilobyte moved them out, I think 16:36:18 but they were moved out after you migrated default configs 16:36:21 <|amethyst> aha 16:36:42 <|amethyst> but blank init.txt doesn't mean nothing's set 16:36:43 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:46 yeah 16:37:11 personally I think init.txt should probably just be some comments pointing to options_guide.txt... otherwise its listing of all the options and their defaults is misleading, because options can get changed or removed over the years 16:37:33 so if the idea is to keep config compatibility between 0.11, 0.12, 0.13, ... then the commented-out init.txt will gradually become less and less useful 16:37:37 but who cares 16:41:46 init.txt doesn't even have commented out defaults 16:41:53 it usually has the opposite 16:42:04 so setting an option is just uncommenting a line 16:42:11 but it can be confusing 16:42:11 -!- hayenne has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:42:15 oh, hmm... then my init.txt patch for dump_on_save was wrong, yay 16:42:16 hmm, options_guide.txt actually doesn't have any upgrading information 16:42:36 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/db982b837050d24b3340a5f8d3001520c640dc24 -- dump_on_save = true should probably be dump_on_save = false in init.txt 16:43:12 galehar: sometimes it has the opposite (usually for bool options, but not always), sometimes it has the real value. There's only one thing it has for certain: a mess. 16:43:39 how do you guys like the message I pushed to 0.11? 16:43:48 (CIA/Chei are asleep) 16:44:32 <|amethyst> Chei is just slow 16:45:17 kilobyte [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-177-gb287ffc: Add a big scary warning if you have an old config file. (5 minutes ago, 7 files, 20+ 0-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/b287ffcfdee4 16:45:46 <|amethyst> looks good, but will online players know where to find it? 16:46:10 the DGL menu is quite obvious, I think 16:46:36 the message is fine 16:47:00 <|amethyst> I mean options_guide.txt 16:48:18 -!- boat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:11 <|amethyst> if you do foo ^= bar, baz should "bar" come first or "baz" 16:49:20 <|amethyst> my vote is for "bar" 16:53:34 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 4.0b12pre/20110203165105]] 16:57:31 what's ^= ? xor? 16:57:48 <|amethyst> prepend 16:58:15 <|amethyst> (stolen from vim; if you have another suggestion I'm all ears) 17:02:49 btw, the commented-out init.txt has problems other than getting out of date and having inconsistent values... 17:02:56 for instance, its section numbering is out of sync with options_guide.txt(!) 17:04:03 <|amethyst> that's probably my fault (at least in part) 17:04:22 <|amethyst> I may have missed things when I added the list options section and merged the lua stuff 17:06:02 * elliott thinks having the default init.txt just say "# See docs/options_guide.txt or for information on customising Crawl's settings." or similar would be ideal, but it loses convenience for simple toggle options in terms of being able to just uncomment them out 17:06:14 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06:35 -- but can someone change line 386 of it to "# dump_on_save = false" for consistency with the other boolean options? 17:08:40 fuck, there's some mysterious start on startup on Windows in 0.11 17:09:48 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:09:56 (I was uploading 0.11.0 to SourceForge, all 546986798673479 builds, but did some final tests in the meantime) 17:10:03 s/start /crash / 17:12:16 Yes, it does seem to intermitantly crash on startup 17:13:24 did it before? I did a series of tests on all Windows versions a not so long while ago, without anything bad. 17:13:43 this crash seems to happen every time 17:13:45 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:14 with the usual quality diagnostics 17:16:38 Oh, well that might be something new 17:16:52 But 0.11 (and current trunk) tiles versions crash on startup for me, say... 30% of the time? 17:16:57 And have for a long time now 17:18:24 -!- Erin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:38 then how come no one reported this before? 17:18:43 (I get 100%) 17:19:05 users, reporting bugs?! 17:19:11 I have #5354 17:19:29 I think I did see reports for startup crashes a while back. Some of them may have been fixed, even. I had wondered if the fact that not a lot of people mentioned it might imply that it doesn't do this on most systems, maybe? 17:19:47 I assumed it was specific to windows native builds, but maybe it's not 17:20:59 DracoOmega: I tested Win2k and XP so far, both crash 100% of the time, both tiles and console. There's never any message, so it appears distinct from what galehar has. 17:21:03 this one has some very confusing reports of hanging on startup 17:21:04 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5280 17:21:08 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:23:13 Well, the crash I get says something about referencing memory that could not be read 17:24:49 Oh dear lord, what have I done to these poor kraken? This one just voluntarily beached itself and died T.T 17:26:19 its life wasn't worth living :( 17:27:54 I'm not sure what I could have done that could have caused this 17:28:07 -!- bh has quit [Quit: bh] 17:31:56 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:48 -!- N78291 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:03 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:33:16 Hmmm... that was actually simpler than I expected it to be 17:33:43 -!- Doubt is now known as Achlys 17:34:25 -!- Achlys has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:07 That's it, I'm making kraken tentacle segments stop submerging for the moment so that I don't keep thinking they're not connecting right 17:35:38 -!- Keratin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:36:51 I remember testing out some tentacles with extremely small chokepoints and couldn't figure out how the segments draw or not for terrain like tar_minmay_river's thin deep water diagonals 17:37:17 Sometimes they do seem to draw incorrectly 17:37:17 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:38 Like, even before I started tinkering here, sometimes they will appear to loop into the GROUND and then up again 17:37:51 Which works fine if they're over water, but not so much otherwise 17:38:24 (Fixing this sort of thing is a little beyond the scope of what I'm trying to accomplish, though) 17:39:59 hmm, the crash seems to happen only in LTO builds 17:40:49 which is still bad news, but at least allows releasing now 17:41:00 LTO? 17:41:06 link-time optimisation 17:41:12 no "crash on startup 30% of the time", either 17:41:31 Yeah, I would fully believe it's something more system specific 17:41:39 Or I would have heard more other people complaining 17:41:59 DracoOmega: compiled yourself? 17:42:03 DracoOmega: ~25% faster code at the cost of compilation lasting ~ twice as long 17:42:13 galehar: Both ones complied myself and ones not 17:42:32 DracoOmega: crash dump? 17:42:41 I thought the windows ones were basically useless? 17:43:46 maybe. I know my crash is caused by sqlite, but maybe I got this from the message not the dump 17:44:06 galehar: I don't seem to get 5354 either, at least on XP, console debug build (it takes ~20 times as long as a build on Linux, so I didn't try other variants) 17:44:19 Hmmm... I don't think I even GET crash dumps for these 17:44:23 Now that I look 17:44:24 I am still sad that exec axes are weaker than triple swords 17:44:32 I know they're still better, but it feels wrong 17:45:18 I still need to break the tag and do an amendment, though: crawl.formatted_mpr() works in console but not tiles 17:45:52 time for 0.11.1 ;) 17:46:08 Finally? 17:46:20 no, that's why I first test, _then_ push the tag :) 17:47:26 uhm, crawl.mpr() is no good either :( 17:47:37 I get only the first line then some corruption 17:49:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:50:50 -!- eurtek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52:36 an idea: let's drop tiles, m'kay? 17:53:20 Hey! :P 17:55:00 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 17:55:05 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 17:56:06 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:06 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 17:56:06 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:09 You know, I think just making tentacle segments not submerge fixes some of the display issues 17:56:19 With them looping into the ground, I mean 17:56:31 submerge! it's the abyss! 17:56:56 I'm talking about regular kraken at the moment :P 17:57:19 I made them stop submerging for the moment so that I could ensure all the linkages looked correct, rather than having a bunch of them intermitantly vanish 17:57:22 ah, screw it. There's only one kraken in the abyss :) 17:57:36 well, if they're not submerged then they become even easier targets for multi-target conjurations 17:57:57 HangedMan: that sounds like a problem with conjuration rather than tentacles 17:58:10 Why should a single tentacle, regardless of length, ever be considered more than once as a target? 17:58:31 because they're considered more then once as a space? 18:00:07 That's certainly a reasonable argument, but sort of silly. Why should a kraken take more damage when you firestorm it just because it has longer tentacles? 18:00:08 because fire storm burns every part of the tentacle not just one bit 18:00:44 If a lizard loses its tail it doesn't take extra damage if you chop the tail into two parts. 18:01:01 are you trying to argue with realism 18:01:03 don't 18:01:13 ChrisOelmueller: I'm not 18:01:27 I'm trying to argue that it shouldn't matter how far away you are from a Kraken when you firestorm it. 18:01:43 If you're far away, it will have long tentacles and take extra damage. If you're in its face, it will have short tentacles and take less damage. 18:02:17 deep water is well known as an impervious shield when one is submerged in it, short of poison and uh 18:02:41 I don't think firestorm balance is really that important a consideration for kraken, frankly 18:02:45 Do Kraken actually kill people? 18:02:54 DracoOmega: Freezing Cloud then 18:02:55 !lg * ikiller=kraken 18:02:55 140. Nibixx the Skirmisher (L1 DrAK), worshipper of Lugonu, mangled by a tentacle (created by a kraken) in the Abyss (evilmike abyss exit kraken) on 2012-09-29, with 20 points after 8 turns and 0:00:41. 18:02:58 yes 18:03:13 They can be very scary if you don't fight them properly 18:03:18 Gosh. That's some exceptionally bad luck. 18:03:29 i doubt luck has anything to do with 95% of those deaths 18:03:30 freezing and poisonous clouds are kind of ridiculous in general 18:03:42 !lg * ikiller=sea snake 18:03:43 97. tornocean the Protected (L9 MiBe), worshipper of Trog, succumbed to a sea snake's poison on D:8 on 2012-09-26, with 3091 points after 8029 turns and 0:44:32. 18:03:48 also there are two krakens in the abyss get it right 18:05:05 "Chowdah, say it right" 18:05:36 krakens are pretty deadly, and quite fun to figure out how to beat 18:05:36 Well, that's another routine genericized. Hopefully. 18:05:49 one of my favorite monsters 18:05:55 Yeah, kraken are cool 18:06:26 ??kraken[4 18:06:27 kraken[4/4]: So amazingly awesome it isn't *funny*. 18:06:39 ??bad ideas[3 18:06:40 I don't have a page labeled bad_ideas[3] in my learndb. 18:06:48 whoa… you don't need the trailing bracket. 18:07:04 that reminds me of when google didn't require the closing quotation mark to search phrases 18:07:07 what happened to those days 18:07:07 yeah. might be a wenzell upgrade, but im not sure 18:07:14 it's a Wenzell misfeature 18:07:23 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:07:41 *mis*feature? 18:07:51 yes 18:08:03 i have to use alt gr to type [] 18:08:18 these are some of the worst keys on the german keyboard 18:08:30 im happy about any that i dont have to type 18:08:35 alefury: have you tried not using a German keyboard? 18:08:54 then i have to find a way to type äöüß 18:09:01 which is annoying 18:09:13 you could disavow german 18:09:16 alefury: use the compose key 18:09:18 and never contact someone who speaks german ever again 18:09:19 My british keyboard is fairly crap. What am I supposed to do with a § and a ±? 18:09:29 kilobyte: is that a thing on windows? 18:09:32 bh: that is an apple thing 18:09:33 gets you all umlaut/what not combinations 18:09:48 you can get compose on windows with hotkey programs 18:09:53 alefury: quite a few implementations 18:10:00 sounds finicky 18:10:04 elliott: yeah. The Apple-UK layout is silly. 18:10:14 At least it's an easy way to distinguish my laptop from my girlfriend's 18:13:00 LTO builds from Sep 15 work fine, ghrmblahfgfads 18:13:27 kilobyte: can you pull my inception branch upstream? I recently rebased it 18:13:34 Programming: the art of voluntary suffering 18:13:51 kilobyte: the config file warning seems to work fine for me in tiles 18:13:53 DracoOmega: BSDM.rc? 18:13:58 Heh 18:17:07 edlothiol: webtiles you mean? 18:19:41 no, local 18:20:35 I see it in stderr and later in the message window, in console, webtiles and local tiles 18:22:01 kilobyte [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11-b1-178-g4818192: Butcher and chop up the config file message. (27 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/4818192ceb76 18:22:19 it depends on the screen size, and what old config you did have 18:23:13 oh, I see 18:23:19 if there somehow is nothing in the message area, it ends up ok (except for being forced into one line, not wrapped). If there's any text there already, parts of it don't get erased. 18:29:01 oh, since when local tiles on Win8 default to full-screen? Nice; this way all Metro-related issues are gone. 18:37:07 -!- remyroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:37:18 kilobyte [stone_soup-0.11] * 0.11.0: Set the 0.11 date in the changelog. (2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/8a98804c85bc 18:37:22 slow Lua memory leak (requires about a week's runtime) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6273) by geekosaur 18:38:37 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:06 -!- TheUnlifeAquatic has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:45:26 kilobyte: doesnt that depend on screen resolution? 18:45:46 i dont know about win8, but thats the way it works in xp 18:47:53 Cherry-picked 1 commit into master 18:49:16 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55:44 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:58:06 -!- Vizer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:38 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 19:13:06 -!- erisdiscordia has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:14:11 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11.0-0-g8a98804 (33) 19:16:24 antiskillrobin (L2 MuBe) ASSERT(!crawl_state.is_repeating_cmd()) in 'main.cc' at line 4547 failed. 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We need a fix :) 19:45:06 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 19:46:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:47:37 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:19 -!- bh has quit [Quit: bh] 19:53:17 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:53:21 ah, released? 19:53:22 nice! 19:53:33 whats the title? 19:54:06 Crawl 0.11; Untitled Crawl Version 19:54:16 Crawl 0.11; What's the Title? 19:55:37 when do we start making an official 0.12 planning page 19:55:48 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 19:56:58 Crawl 0.11; Spiders are so 1999 19:57:08 HangedMan: feel free to polish my unofficial one :) 19:58:04 crawl 0.12 we have to go deeper 19:58:06 that was easy 19:58:18 doesnt work for 0.11 though 19:58:33 I've got some noticable vault patchwork planned (transparency/opaque tagging, killing luniq_mini, adding luniq_stairs, tagging extra to mini_features.des stuff, shrinking certain overly-wide vault depths) 19:59:20 IMO the title should be gossamer something 19:59:38 but I can't think of something good for something to be 19:59:55 HangedMan: so add it to the planning page? 20:00:14 if people dont even add their own plans it just doesnt work 20:00:16 oh, just the devwiki page? 20:00:19 atrocious arachnids 20:01:46 HangedMan: im not aware of any other planning page 20:01:48 I kind of want to properly split off the 0.10 thing and a whole bunch of formatting after reading through this 20:01:53 Gossamer Gospel 20:01:54 good night 20:01:59 'night 20:02:00 that would work if spider god ever becomes a thing 20:02:01 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:03:31 elliptic: git has "Arachnophobia", but mismatching titles are sort of a tradition 20:04:06 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-679-g4018bef: Typo fixes. (2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/4018bef01b6f 20:04:06 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-678-geb02880: Update polish translations for recent changes. (2 weeks ago, 4 files, 7+ 38-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/eb02880031cf 20:04:06 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-677-gbc3ef69: Remove stray descriptions for the staff of enchantment. 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