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Was there a reason for that else? 02:41:37 |amethyst: OK, I'll let frogbotherer know. 02:45:48 |amethyst: thanks, found it 02:46:00 for no apprent reason tgloom was special-cased to be invisible 02:48:08 03ontoclasm * ra60899f5cf21 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Gloom and seething chaos tiles 02:48:16 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: git blame can help with that 02:49:03 not sure how to do that 02:49:14 i get its purpose, but how does one use it? 02:49:24 <|amethyst> git blame file then look for the line in question 02:49:33 <|amethyst> that will tell you which commit did it 02:49:37 <|amethyst> then you can git show that commit 02:49:47 <|amethyst> unfortunatly, that doesn't seem to help much in this particular case 02:50:02 <|amethyst> %git f48b220 02:50:11 edlothiol * 0.12-a0-390-gf48b220: Show items on traps again in tiles. (4 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 19-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/f48b22095d14 02:50:47 -!- VideoGames has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:50:49 huh. 02:51:03 <|amethyst> that commit was, I think, just re-adding something that was removed elsewhere in an earlier commit 02:51:08 probably 02:52:19 well, i "fixed" it 02:52:29 and gloom shows up properly 02:52:35 Sororicide: Dowan kills Duvessa by trying to fire through her to me, two games in a row. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6203) by tychotesla 02:53:50 feature 02:54:08 Dowan screams in horror! 02:54:13 working as intended 02:54:41 <|amethyst> well, arguably they should weight each other higher than random monster when deciding whether to fire through something 02:54:48 <|amethyst> s/ster/sters/ 02:55:40 <|amethyst> but I was just about to point that out in relation to "be embarrassed afterwards" 02:55:40 |amethyst: first you do that, next you'll stop elves killing each other on elf:$ 02:55:44 and then where will it end?! 02:56:09 alternately: dowan always succeeds at firing through duvessa 02:56:16 <|amethyst> elliott: just making up for my making catlobes more likely to fire through allies 02:56:25 due to mumble somthing yadyada twin bond 02:56:33 <|amethyst> I don't like that 02:56:43 clearly duvessa and dowan just secretly hate each other 02:57:07 they get pissed when you kill the other because they wanted to do it themselves 02:57:11 any questions 03:02:45 Entering the map from Ctrl-F doesn't display the map command panel (local tiles). (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6204) by neil 03:06:46 <|amethyst> err 03:07:02 <|amethyst> is anyone else having webtiles problems? 03:07:06 <|amethyst> I may have broken something 03:07:22 are the tiles still offset 03:07:37 <|amethyst> it's not redrawing properly for me 03:07:43 <|amethyst> I move and only a few tiles change 03:07:52 <|amethyst> hm 03:07:59 <|amethyst> no, nothing I did should have caused that 03:08:30 <|amethyst> oh, and it's fine now 03:09:18 <|amethyst> no it's not 03:09:26 <|amethyst> if I move left it's fine, but if I move right it's bad 03:10:17 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 03:10:21 <|amethyst> oh, and I turned animations and tile scaling off and back on and it works fine 03:10:59 <|amethyst> aha 03:11:07 <|amethyst> it looks like a rounding problem with map scaling 03:11:48 <|amethyst> it happens with 1.2 and 1.3 but not 1.25 or 1.5 03:11:59 <|amethyst> yay floating-point 03:16:20 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 03:21:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:22:49 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:23:11 Webtiles: inexact tile scaling causes redraw problems. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6205) by neil 03:23:55 -!- purge has quit [Quit: .] 03:28:03 -!- paymentplan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:28:08 03|amethyst * reb43362add1c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc viewmap.cc): Tiles: Always display the navigation tab when map-viewing. 03:31:11 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:31:41 -!- mumbologist has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:34:20 -!- KKCryptic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:37:04 can we change the irc log search so that most recent logs are displayed first? 03:39:05 <|amethyst> galehar: within a single day, should they also be in reverse order? 03:39:45 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44:43 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:47:19 |amethyst: no, I don't think so 03:47:38 <|amethyst> done :) 03:47:49 thanks :) 03:52:28 <|amethyst> btw, when you get a chance could you look at and test branch config-fix? It doesn't have the doc updates yet, but does add "listopt =", warns on "listopt = foo", and supports "listopt -= foo" for more options 03:52:58 <|amethyst> I haven't had the chance to do much testing, other than verifying that the warnings happen 03:54:30 <|amethyst> (though I guess I should do add_startup_error instead of mprf if the game hasn't started yet 03:54:33 <|amethyst> ) 03:55:09 <|amethyst> not sure if I'll have a chance to do more tomorrow, so feel free to commit fixes to the branch 03:55:14 <|amethyst> time for sleep for me 04:14:09 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 04:14:11 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:52 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:13 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:28:52 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:34:18 -!- temujin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:36 -!- wjchen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:40:23 -!- evilmike has quit 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6Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ6 10Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 07:16:50 -!- Wensley has quit [Client Quit] 07:21:40 -!- lisard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:21:53 Entry vaults for sewer, ossuary, pan, abyss, snake (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6206) by Guppyfry 07:30:09 -!- Dattu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:37:30 -!- s951 has quit [Client Quit] 07:52:23 -!- Sab0t has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:53:20 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:53:40 -!- Guest_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:58:23 -!- Sab0t_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:01:44 -!- Sab0t__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:06:50 -!- kwel01 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:18:21 -!- Taynav has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:25:50 -!- Guesto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:31:11 -!- ctair has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:47 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:30 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:22 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:14 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the 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(Shoals:1) 11:49:03 03MarvinPA * r06f4f327d106 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation-data.h: Reword the description for mutation resistance 3 11:49:03 03MarvinPA * ra78192aa9d4c 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Don't claim that flight control is lost when it isn't 11:50:52 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:51:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:27 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:00:09 -!- Predelnik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:04 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:11:36 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:10 No more unknown command message. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6208) by elliptic 12:13:04 -!- Predelnik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:03 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:18:41 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 12:24:36 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 12:27:31 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:11 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28:26 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:46 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:05 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35:42 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:35:45 -!- Elynae has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:20 Napkin: excuse me, I forgot a CDO password, are you able to change it so I can access an account again? mossforestblossombat on CDO 12:38:39 nice nick 12:38:56 yes it is my masterpiece :P wikipedia had a list of bats and it just sounded perfect 12:39:38 hahaha 12:40:35 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:43:15 -!- Elynae has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:06 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:48:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:49:21 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:49:31 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:50:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:08 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 12:53:08 -!- nago has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:53:39 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 12:56:17 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57:37 -!- Rofaner has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02:04 -!- Rofaner has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:02 I'm having some trouble getting mini health and mana bars working in webtiles for 0.11, are they actually supported? 13:08:20 -!- minced has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:08:27 nope 13:08:45 not sure why, but they don't work there 13:09:39 -!- domi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:10:30 did they work in older versions? 13:10:46 It doesn't work on .10 either as far as I've tested 13:11:19 probably just not implemented yet then 13:11:59 ah 13:12:26 Shame that it works for local but not web. I'm way more likely to make tactical errors if my hp isn't right in front of me 13:12:49 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:09 edlothiol probably knows more 13:13:54 they're not implemented yet 13:13:58 (at least in a public branch) 13:14:05 Ah 13:14:09 ok, thanks 13:14:19 they will likely be in 0.12 13:14:42 awesome, that'll give me more time to stop being bad at crawl before playing webtiles 13:20:09 03ontoclasm * r7a93823be5e8 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dngn/wall/ (96 files): New main dungeon tiles (white_noise) 13:20:55 those are pretty ivy-y 13:21:13 they look all right but high d is pretty darn green 13:24:50 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:37 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Butts] 13:31:06 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER] 13:33:46 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:35:21 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39:40 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:40:13 <_dd> kilobyte, on your last comment were you talking about the first versions or the later updates? 13:41:15 <_dd> is kilobyte here... 13:41:45 <_dd> would the real kilobyte please stand up 13:42:17 _dd: ten persons stand up :) 13:42:49 -!- kliph has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:42:53 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:43:44 <_dd> ok so he like deploys these doubles to confuse assassins or what 13:44:01 <_dd> and that second guy doesn't even look like him, the mustache is all wrong 13:44:53 <_dd> the sixth one is two guys in a trench coat standing on each others' shoulders... 13:45:07 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:45:40 _dd: you can always get the real kilobyte to show up by holding up a knife and a cat and threaten to touch the latter with the former. 13:45:58 "or the felid gets it!" 13:46:00 <_dd> put the cat back in the box! 13:46:12 <_dd> why couldn't you put the cat back in the box? 13:46:52 <_dd> wait wrong movie, also wrong mammal 13:49:29 that's what cats have lives for, duh 13:50:20 although if I got the bastard who poisoned (probably...) my previous cat into my hands... 13:52:10 kilobyte: :( 13:52:31 no proof about that (the cat just hasn't been seen again), but as another cat on the street was found poisoned the same night, and yet another went missing too, that's pretty much a clear issue :( 13:53:37 the replacement behaves too much like a dog 13:54:58 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:57 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:57:07 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 13:58:51 _dd, ontoclasm: I looked into converting existing tiles of monsters who bear a shield into separate monster+shield pairs, but there are two issues: 1. dedicated shields look better (stock ones would suck), 2. if I gave them their current shields, not sure how they should look on ground/in the inventory 13:59:20 <_dd> if anyone would poison my cat i'd commit murder, for reals 13:59:51 kilobyte: we could just have two versions of shield-bearing monsters, one with and one without a shield 13:59:58 <_dd> kilobyte, i'm up for making matching pairs of shield floor tiles + doll tiles 14:00:11 and not worry about the fact that a buckler and a large shield both look the same on a daeva 14:00:12 <_dd> in fact i already did some way back... 14:00:20 ontoclasm: I mean, if you kill the monster, the shield shouldn't suddenly look differently 14:00:25 hm 14:00:28 <_dd> like these https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5735 14:00:42 well, yeah, iff dd would be willingto make ground tiles based on the shields monsters have 14:00:49 <_dd> ahem ^ 14:01:02 <_dd> something like that? 14:01:05 by 2., I mean, I wonder if it's good for a regular non-artefact shield look differently just because you got it from Donald 14:01:13 well, those ar enice, but not what i was talking about 14:01:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:01:29 i meant, there should be tile that looks like the shield donald has 14:01:40 <_dd> yeah i can do that 14:01:41 and donald should drop a shield with that tile 14:01:51 _dd: right, shields should have matching inventory and equipped tiles 14:02:06 <_dd> i've thought about the same for robes 14:02:21 <_dd> i always find it kind of weird that the robes look different on the floor and when you wear them 14:02:26 ontoclasm: cutting the shield from Donald is not a problem, but it'd require having an inventory counterpart 14:02:30 <_dd> but i guess that's mostly to differentiate regular from runed 14:02:31 yeah 14:02:37 the inventory tile is what we need 14:02:42 <_dd> i can do that 14:02:51 for example, we got good-looking distinct shields for spriggans that rot in UNUSED/ 14:03:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:08 i don't know all the shield-wearing monsters off the top of my head, but louise, gnoll captains, and daevas come to mind 14:03:30 louise's might always be a large shield 14:03:38 <_dd> yeah well if someone gives me a list i can get working on them 14:03:51 <_dd> so what about robes? 14:04:21 well, same deal - we'd need inventory tiles for all the different robe variants 14:04:27 (there are a lot) 14:04:31 _dd: probably a good idea, but one thing at a time 14:04:35 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:04:37 <_dd> i was thinking that robes could also have matching floor + player doll tiles, and we could differentiate the runed ones by eg. having runed robes be two-colour and regular one-colour 14:04:46 something on the order of 20-30 14:05:02 -!- kliph` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:05:02 <_dd> so that runed ones could have different colour sleeves, or maybe some decorations, you know "runes" on them 14:05:19 <_dd> and regular robes would just be single colour 14:05:22 currently it's not possible to force any tile for an item except for fixedarts 14:05:55 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:05:59 <_dd> how do you mean 14:06:12 I'd make it so all bucklers which generate on a spriggan get tile X (monsters don't get randarts), all vanilla shields on nagas tile Y, all large shields on nagas tile Z... 14:06:28 _dd: there's no code to support per-monster tiles yet 14:06:46 only per the "racial" bit, for the few races defined (dwarven, elvish, orcish) 14:07:09 <_dd> ok 14:07:18 * dpeg liked it when Donald's shield got inscripted {Donald}. 14:07:38 dpeg: it's the same thing but with tile 14:07:42 yes 14:08:15 But the inscription seems to have gone at some point? Or maybe I confuse this with other inscriptions.... 14:08:46 <_dd> anyway brb i have to finish editing bardiches 14:08:56 i think it still exists, the {sewer} stuff is gone though 14:09:01 ah! 14:09:09 Donald's shield gets autoinscribed 14:09:14 good good 14:09:25 * bhaak thinks it would be more funny if the inscription would read {Donald Duck} 14:09:36 that's a missing unique! 14:09:58 !arena chuck v norris 14:10:15 !fight 14:10:20 bhaak: you go read the sycophantic UnNH thread on reddit :) 14:10:35 dpeg: already read and upvoted 14:11:25 bhaak: no propaganda is too cheap, eh! =) 14:12:47 you're just jealous that you don't have any sycophantic followers anymore after you threw in the towel 14:13:43 * dpeg looks through the trashcan. 14:14:20 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:15:18 kilobyte: care to review a highly complex patch i just made? http://bpaste.net/raw/3P5Km5li5JYxgWIjQxBX/ 14:15:35 I once got greeted in KGS (Korean go server) with "<3 Crawl", that was nice. 14:16:29 ChrisOelmueller: i dunno, that patch seems pretty dicey 14:16:40 a big change like that might cause problems 14:17:37 dpeg is famous 14:17:59 ontoclasm: we could test it in a branch before committing to master 14:18:01 one day reddit will be awash with "i ran into dpeg!" pics just like there are of notch 14:18:04 "dpeg" is a four letter word 14:18:17 <_dd> what does dpeg mean 14:18:26 * bhaak didn't know he should have made pictures of dpeg 14:18:36 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:37 hey, one guy (vimpulse) approached me when I was in Toronto and we met a few times 14:19:16 bhaak: you' 14:19:18 ChrisOelmueller: care to "git format-patch -1" instead? 14:19:27 sure 14:19:42 re not a player, you're the competition. And, as reddit shows, the best^Wworst competition. 14:19:58 kilobyte: http://bpaste.net/raw/1JBJLd3SKlF4jytz43mw/ 14:20:08 trying to fit a d-peg into a w-hole 14:20:18 dpeg: next time you're in mountain view, california, let me know and i can arrange lunch at google with bh and enne 14:20:23 :) 14:20:39 dpeg: yes but therefore i need a picture even more. for putting on a punching ball 14:20:45 My sister got her nick first, so it was easy for me. 14:21:19 dpng 14:21:43 bhaak: Future Crawl versions will start with a prompt: "Do you agree that all versions and variants of Nethack are abominable? (y/n)" 14:21:44 bhaak: Dartboard. 14:22:08 the irony of a female person giving herself that nick on the net is still mind-blowing after all that time 14:22:09 03kilobyte * r9eb14d95a742 10/crawl-ref/source/ (coordit.cc externs.h): Drop one of redundant definitions of sgn(). 14:22:09 03chris.oelmueller * r779d630478f0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Enable Donald speech in labyrinths 14:22:24 Zannick: he's old, he would have to be dtiff 14:22:29 snrk 14:22:36 dtsund: darts are too dangerous 14:22:40 kilobyte: thanks! 14:23:38 dpeg: what will happen if you press n? 14:24:30 bhaak: it starts vanilla nethack 3.4.3 14:24:32 no patches 14:24:39 can you imagine a greater punishment??? 14:24:45 No! 14:24:57 elliott: Starting a game of ADOm. 14:25:01 IMO it just starts crawl as normal, except that boots of running are set to never generate 14:25:18 elliptic: So, as current. 14:25:42 dtsund: you should have known better than to press n there... 14:26:18 elliptic: you realise they only spawn for players named elliptic, right? 14:26:40 Yeah, I was cracking wise about how rare those things are. 14:28:02 elliott: he has more than one name. Let's check if "circular", "pointy" and "half-liney" are still untaken. 14:28:20 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:28:28 hypobolic 14:28:55 <_dd> so anyway whats up with the shield thing then 14:29:10 <_dd> whats the deal with shields 14:29:12 * dpeg suggests parabolic, holonomic, ergodic, geodesic, isothermic. 14:29:33 shields aren't a blocking issue 14:29:35 -!- Guestorino has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:29:55 We could just refer to him as conic_section and be done with it 14:31:26 dtsund: <3 14:31:37 !nick elliptic comic sectin 14:31:37 Mapping elliptic => elliptic hyperbolic hyperelliptic comic sectin 14:31:40 oops 14:32:31 * dpeg has mangled the ellipse :( 14:33:22 !nick elliptic -rm sectin 14:33:22 Deleted sectin from elliptic => elliptic hyperbolic hyperelliptic comic sectin 14:33:26 !nick elliptic section 14:33:26 Mapping elliptic => elliptic hyperbolic hyperelliptic comic section 14:33:34 <3 14:33:38 !lm wensley id=2933514 -tv:<-12:>$ 14:33:40 comic section 14:34:07 No milestones for wensley (id=2933514). 14:35:44 hey guys, the crawl patch is done, galehar looked it over too, if anyone wants to put it in 14:35:55 crawl = cleave* 14:36:50 fr: a patch that lets you actually crawl 14:36:52 lexackson: awesome! I cannot patch very well (I had trouble even back then) but I'll play axe fighters as soon as CDO opens for trunk again. 14:36:53 I mean, it's in the name 14:37:00 lexackson: I will, don't worry 14:37:01 :) 14:37:16 oh, hi didn't know you were here, awesome thanks 14:37:34 btw, there's a sgn function in crawl! 14:37:43 there was 2 not long ago :) 14:37:52 yeah, i used it :) 14:37:57 kilobyte pointed it out to me 14:38:12 or to the public in general, whatever 14:39:42 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:39:51 oh, so yet another update then 14:40:26 yep 14:41:25 I need to finish something (real work), then I'll have a look at it 14:41:35 will probably push it later tonight 14:41:38 dpeg: axing fighters? Hmm, let's think. 14:41:40 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:03 axe fighters? 14:43:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47:30 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:28 I don't like axing fighters, but the idea of removing buckler from gladiator has come up before and might be good 14:49:24 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:44 elliptic: you realise dpeg said "play axe fighters" right :P 14:49:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:12 well for dpeg, axing things is like a game! 14:50:12 elliott: I realise that just as much as kilobyte did, I think :P 14:54:16 for some reason, a lot of people believe that the best way to play a fighter is to dump the shield on turn 1 14:54:54 btw, if anyone wants to have a look at that cleave patch, go ahead. Otherwise, I will but a bit later. 14:55:55 re shields and robes: please, please please please, dont make shields and robes have a whole bunch of different inventory and floor tiles for the same item 14:55:58 alefury: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:56:24 racial weapon tiles are super pretty, but also reduce interface clarity a lot 14:56:26 -!- urthmover has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56:50 having a bunch of different looks for the same item would be terrible 14:57:31 -!- urthmover has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:47 -!- urthmover has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:48 on the player doll, great, it doesnt matter there and looks nice 14:58:05 but floor/inventory tiles require clarity 14:58:06 !messages 14:58:07 (1/2) dpeg said (21h 25m ago): Sorry that I left... family. Anyway, posting the digest on GDD is good, imo: not a lot of work, and we might get more lurkers, then regulars, then digesters in the long run. 14:58:08 !messages 14:58:08 (1/1) dpeg said (19h 47m ago): evilmike: "...I deliberately chose *not* to post those to the tavern". Posting link in a locked thread might be okay to get folks to c-r-d. 14:58:20 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:58:53 alefury: make of that what you will :) 14:59:19 im not posting it on the tavern. if anyone else wants to do so, locked or not, im fine with it 15:00:04 probably not worth it -- if regulars like Zannick are unable to suscribe to c-r-d, the unwashed forum masses will be completely at a loss 15:01:20 oh, its pretty easy once you just do it 15:01:24 as im sure you know 15:02:14 of course 15:02:28 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:42 dpeg: I don't think Zannick is unable to subscribe to c-r-d. He's just procrastinating. 15:02:52 * dpeg kicks Zannick. 15:02:53 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:18 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:30 -!- dg___ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:45 -!- paymentplan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:08:57 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:09:04 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:35 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:13:18 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:06 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:18 -!- BlackSheep_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:49 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:17:25 someone made a hearse for crawl :) 15:17:40 called geistwagen 15:19:16 how disappointing 15:19:21 no unnecessary umlaut 15:22:05 whats a hearse? 15:23:26 bones exchange for those stubborn local players 15:24:28 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:24 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 15:26:04 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:54 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Ukončuji] 15:31:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:33:20 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:34:09 -!- Qwertycoatl has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:34:41 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:06 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:37:49 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:38:04 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:09 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:41:00 -!- Tychotesla has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:07 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:42:12 How do I change the status of a bug to resolved on Mantis? Or can I? 15:42:36 I've been trying to do so, but all I seem to be able to do is to accidentally bump it up to the top again. :/ 15:44:20 only devs can do that 15:44:24 which bug is it? 15:44:39 Tychotesla, Sororicide. 15:44:55 Turns out that Dowan just kills Duvessa once in a while. :) 15:45:05 Thank you. It should be at the top right now. 15:45:12 there you go 15:45:24 Cheers! 15:47:01 galehar: there was one like ten years ago already 15:47:11 "Xom is BORED. Dowan mutters. The crystal spear hits Duvessa! Duvessa is killed! Xom finds this amusing. 15:47:14 " 15:47:57 that should actually be a thing, if not already 15:48:08 Tychotesla: actually, I'm not sure that we should consider this solved 15:48:41 monsters firing at each other is usually fine, but it would make sense that dowan is more careful 15:49:12 kilobyte: oh, I didn't know about that. It has been requested from time to time 15:49:23 does Xom actually get amused at enemy friendly fire? 15:51:54 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:53:33 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:56:31 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:56:33 _dd: why are you always so hostile towards white noise? 15:56:54 cant you just have friendly rivalry like normal people? 15:57:08 (although even that is pretty pointless in this case imo) 15:57:43 <_dd> what i don't think i have been 15:57:57 <_dd> except in the mummy thread maybe a little 15:58:12 <_dd> but that was just because i was pissed about his comments 15:58:20 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:54 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:59:10 the bardiche comments sound a bit hostile too imo 15:59:33 <_dd> i don't think i've said anything uncivil towards him, or at least i didn't intend to 15:59:42 uncivil != hostile 16:00:19 if i told you i dont like you and please never submit another tile, that would be hostile, but civil 16:00:24 (i like your tiles btw) 16:00:36 well, white_noise is also a little hotheaded 16:00:47 definitely 16:00:57 <_dd> well i haven't asked him not to submit tiles or anything 16:01:01 you should both just focus your anger on me 16:01:01 but hes out of my direct reach, so im talking to dd 16:01:35 well, you basically told him to stick his glaive tile up his ass, except civil 16:01:54 <_dd> i didn't really say that... 16:03:38 <_dd> i think i didn't? 16:03:54 <_dd> now you guys are getting me to think i've got some sort of jekyll/hyde thing going here 16:03:56 not quite :P 16:04:28 "if you want to make a voulge, submit it as a voulge artifact, but someone would have to code and design it, so dont bother" 16:04:58 (i still dont know the difference between a bardiche and a voulge btw, and i dont really care) 16:04:59 <_dd> hey i never told him to not bother 16:05:05 -!- wHATEver is now known as Guest30822 16:05:05 it was implied :P 16:05:16 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:05:19 <_dd> well i didn't intend to imply such thing 16:05:39 <_dd> i think this might be some kind of language/cultural thing going on 16:05:46 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:11 <_dd> i mean i speak english fairly well but sometimes it seems that i speak things in a different tone than i intend to unintentionally 16:06:50 I think dd's comment is really fine 16:07:02 <_dd> like there's some kind of cultural shit that when i say the things i'd say that would in finnish get interpreted as just stuff, and i say the same thing in english and people find all sorts of subtext in it 16:07:02 he isn't even saying the tile is bad, just different 16:07:18 <_dd> wait does that even make sense 16:07:22 sure 16:07:27 <_dd> ok 16:07:39 the mummy thread got a little out of hand imo, which is why im mentioning it 16:08:03 i dont think rivalry is productive in this case 16:08:11 <_dd> i mean different languages have different rhythm and these sort of subtle clues to the tone and subtext and such 16:08:27 _dd: Communicating over the internet is hard, in a second language, even harder... 16:08:29 <_dd> and if you're not a native speaker they might not always translate well 16:08:54 <_dd> yeah even more so over the internet, with the lack of any visual cues or body language or such 16:09:05 also, some people don't worry about the exact dimensions for different types of weapons 16:09:06 its really him who seems to have a problem, sometimes submitting very different versions of tiles into your submissions 16:09:23 i mean, there are more than enough tiles that could be improved 16:09:38 <_dd> anyway back to the topic, i'd actually love to see voulge as a weapon in crawl 16:09:59 haha 16:10:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:30 galehar: I do think it makes sense that Dowan would be a little more careful. I will leave it to all you devs to decide if this needs doing now though, unless there's a way a non-programmer can help. 16:11:25 come up with new monster speech in case he does kill her? 16:11:27 :D 16:11:39 there already is a huge amount of speech for that 16:11:58 for dowan killing duvessa or for the player killing duvessa? 16:12:07 anything really 16:12:08 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 16:12:09 -!- domi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:12:09 Tychotesla: yeah I think so too. Same for monsters bands actually. 16:12:22 i dont quite get all of the conditions for the various lines they have, but there are a lot 16:12:47 and screams in horror is one of the ones for dowan killing duvessa 16:12:57 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:13:06 s/get/remember 16:15:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:32 i always forget where to find the speech 16:15:43 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:25 dat/database/monspeak.txt 16:19:00 it seems pretty messed up 16:19:05 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:14 neither has that many under _dies_bytwin 16:20:30 but duvessa has twin_ikilled entries as well 16:20:57 oh, no, he has that as well 16:21:07 they are mixed together *grumble* 16:21:22 but yeah, two different ways, or one of them isn't actually used 16:23:51 -!- odiv has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:23:55 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:07 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:46 -!- pintos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:24 -!- Orionstein has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:30:33 -!- Ystah has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:39 -!- Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 16:30:41 what about a record game system? 16:31:07 ?? ttyrec 16:31:07 ttyrec[1/4]: Specialized format used to record Crawl (among other) games. Google to find a player for your favorite platform. CAO ttyrecs all games in http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata//. 16:32:11 already exists, basically as part of the DGL system we use for running ascii servers (don't know about webtiles, sorry) 16:32:35 Zannick: its records the console output, dont the game data itself, for tile players isn't good 16:33:02 i think it would be a good step forward to improve the beginner community of the game 16:33:15 and isn't dificult to code, i guess 16:33:48 Zannick: its records the console output, dont the game data itself 16:33:55 mind explaining the difference? 16:34:12 -!- andrew__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:15 he means that when it shows a monster 16:34:22 eg. O 16:34:28 ChrisOelmueller: well, recording the game data it could be loaded in the tiles games as well in the console game 16:34:42 you don't know everything about that O, like you can with a glance in tiles 16:35:00 oh is this a tiles discussion, then nevermind me 16:35:06 ie the ttyrec is just text+color 16:35:07 -!- andrew__ is now known as andrewhl 16:35:18 and would implement functions for the spectator, like showing the skills/spells/inventary/etc 16:35:24 and would possible to * 16:35:45 ChrisOelmueller: well, there are benefits for console playback too 16:35:58 but it would be a mammoth undertaking with crawl's codebase, so unless Ystah has a patch... 16:36:06 i'd disagree about "not difficult to code" however, yes 16:38:16 the traditional response to "not difficult to code" is "why don't you take a crack at it, then?" 16:38:16 elliott: sorry, i would be happy to help with the code, but i dont know C 16:38:16 :( 16:38:16 crawl isn't even written in C :P 16:38:16 learning experience all around! 16:38:16 elliott: wut 16:38:17 c++ isn't c, by some definitions 16:38:18 hard to come up with a definition where it *is* that makes any sense at all 16:38:18 whatever, i dont know :(, i'm a beginner programmer, just know python 16:38:18 -!- Lawman has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:38:19 but i think it wouldn't be a pain to the dev(s) of the game, because he(they) already know how the structure works 16:38:38 Zannick: But C is C++ right? 16:38:44 ghallberg: nope 16:38:50 As in C is a subset of C++.. 16:38:51 C++ isn't even a superset of C 16:38:57 there are valid C programs that are invalid C++ programs 16:39:01 Ok, I was in the wrong then :) 16:39:08 (for a trivial example, consider "int new = 5;") 16:39:12 Ystah: it most assuredly would be 16:39:23 ChrisOelmueller: explain 16:39:36 because new is a... keyword? in C++? 16:39:47 ghallberg: right 16:39:56 I'm no good at C/++ 16:40:06 there are a lot of keywords added in c++ 16:40:12 Ystah: i know my basic way around Crawl's source, and code on a variant of an older version of Crawl's codebase... it is simply not geared up for tracking individual changes to the gamestate and serialising them like that 16:40:16 nor replaying them back later 16:40:25 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:45 it would require a reworking of how it records and modifies internal state -- on the order of rewriting it to separate logic and UI -- to achieve that 16:40:47 it would take a lot of space 16:40:57 that would certainly be a big change but it'd also border on a rewrite of many parts of the code 16:40:59 elliott: i see 16:41:07 who is the dev(s)? 16:41:08 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:18 people with voice in this channel have commit access 16:42:02 people without voice just quibble ;) 16:42:19 so... the code is a big workaround? =/ 16:42:53 the code is a lot of messes, some of them more cleaned up than others 16:43:10 if by "workaround", you mean "cannot accomplish the very specific thing I want it to do easily", then yes 16:43:24 the code is fairly messy in parts 16:43:28 Ystah: crawl codebase was started in 1995 or something 16:43:38 but it could also be non-messy and still have trouble doing this thing, because it's the kind of thing you really want to design for from the start 16:45:57 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:47:40 i see 16:48:05 the recorded games would be heavy too 16:48:18 nethack 4 does something basically like this, for what it is worth 16:49:13 imagine, saving all the info for all the turns in a 15-rune game 16:49:13 the files would not really be that huge 16:49:13 ttyrecs are pretty big anyway 16:49:13 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:49:13 i would more or less recommend tiles players learn to at least understand console ttyrecs 16:49:26 what's the size of a typical ttyrec file? 16:50:08 where i download ttyrecs? 16:51:11 <|amethyst> Ystah: you can do, for example: 16:51:23 <|amethyst> !hs neil -ttyrec 16:51:25 4276. Neil, XL27 HOHe, T:99008: http://crawl.develz.org/ttyrecs/Neil/ 2011-10-03.22:02:28.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-03.23:47:59.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.00:25:55.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.01:06:43.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.01:54:11.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.03:01:44.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.03:14:18.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.04:46:19.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.15:05:05.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.15:57:54.ttyrec.bz2 2011-10-04.18:54:40.... 16:51:47 <|amethyst> the ones on crawl.akrasiac.org are unavailable right now 16:52:29 i see 16:52:49 <|amethyst> (you can also browse around those directories, but there are a lot) 16:53:02 <|amethyst> crawl.s-z.org ttyrecs are also available: 16:53:07 <|amethyst> !hs neil czso -ttyrec 16:53:08 Malformed argument: czso 16:53:12 <|amethyst> !hs neil cszo -ttyrec 16:53:14 302. neil, XL26 MiGl, T:97334: http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/neil/ 2012-08-27.03:45:48.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.05:31:23.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.06:47:58.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.13:32:13.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.13:59:19.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.14:22:03.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.14:22:23.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.14:34:24.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.15:37:16.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.15:45:57.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-27.16:22:41.ttyre... 16:53:40 and where i download the program? 16:53:43 !lg * cszo dur<10 -ttyrec 16:53:52 799. duncan, XL1 DsDK, T:0: http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/duncan/2012-09-10.21:38:59.ttyrec.bz2 16:54:04 <|amethyst> Ystah: what OS? 16:54:12 google "ttyrec player" 16:54:13 win32 16:54:39 wikipedia suggests "termrec" 16:54:47 -!- Egglet has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:55:26 There's also Jettyplay. 16:55:44 (Which is platform-independent Java.) 16:55:56 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Quit: TTFN!] 16:56:35 <|amethyst> Zannick: notice anything familiar about the termrec website? 16:56:44 <|amethyst> :) 16:57:02 Written by kilobyte? 16:57:08 <|amethyst> yup 16:57:22 (Jettyplay was written by ais523.) 16:57:29 <|amethyst> ah, did not know that 16:57:35 hosted on angband.pl :P 17:00:08 downloaded jettyplay 17:00:47 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:01:04 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 17:01:59 its good, but i dont know what the fuck is going on in ascii, haha 17:02:05 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:03:19 -!- Predelnik has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:05:03 * dpeg is a bit worried about our tiles players. There's a forum thread about collapsing < and > into one command. 17:05:23 the messages should tell you what's going on ;) 17:06:01 dpeg: yikes 17:07:57 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:09:02 Zannick: I tried to carefully explain that < and > are good to keep separate for G<, G>, X<, X> alone, but to no avail :) 17:09:51 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 17:09:53 sounds like i should be glad i don't hang out in the tavern ;) 17:10:33 honestly the problem with combining < and > is that realistically it's stupid to reuse the key we free up 17:10:50 < and > are a common roguelike convention 17:11:06 yes, but many tiles players won't have any of that 17:11:16 on the other hand, < and > both work on portals and shops already 17:11:31 we could let the tiles players just click if they're so lazy 17:11:37 that already works 17:11:44 they do? 17:12:06 <|amethyst> (not on webtiles of course) 17:12:10 i thought it was just < for a while 17:13:38 BlackSheep_: the dungeon has a direction that's expressed with > as well, btw. 17:13:43 -!- Guestavo has quit [Client Quit] 17:13:55 That direction is expressed by the symbol on the screen 17:14:09 anyway, enough said, imo 17:14:18 *shrug* 17:14:41 I had to work for the 0.4 key change quite a bit, and I wouldn't rise a ruckus for merging < and >, definitely not worth it. 17:14:54 *risk 17:14:58 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:35 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:48 -!- yoshizzz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:16:02 -!- yoshizzz_ is now known as yoshizzz 17:16:15 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:15 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 17:18:42 -!- anele has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:22:41 dpeg: you can't really make generalizations about tiles players based on this thread 17:22:48 xuaxua did it 17:23:00 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:23:33 it's really a stupid idea 17:23:37 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: Stay sane inside insanity!] 17:27:10 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:28:55 -!- Ystah has quit [Quit: CyberScript - not made by microsoft (www.cyberscript.org)] 17:32:15 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:42 -!- BlackSheep_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39:37 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:01 I could swear I've played a roguelike in which > served as both "go up" and "go down", but buggered if I can remember what it is 17:48:49 -!- daftfad has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:52 dtsund: maybe crawl's sprint mode 17:49:29 i've never gotten far enough in rogue to ever need < 17:50:29 Nobody has. The game's winnability is a myth. 17:50:42 (Nobody can stand playing long enough to win!) 17:55:04 I think evilmike won it 17:55:28 rogue is like brogue except more boring 17:55:35 and uglier 17:56:12 dtsund: tome 17:56:40 Could be, except that my experience with Tome is about five minutes of TomeNet 17:57:32 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:58:11 03MarvinPA * rb4dcc2767194 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/options_guide.txt settings/init.txt): Remove outdated references from options_guide.txt and init.txt 17:58:48 Oh, wait, I think it may have been AceHack. 18:00:48 galehar: could be worth announcing the existence of official android builds with a news post, maybe? 18:01:31 dtsund: tome4 does this 18:02:15 -!- Gustavo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:02:29 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:02:39 MarvinPA: good idea 18:02:49 although, I'm heading to bed now 18:02:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02:58 but if anyone wants to 18:06:29 -!- RollieTG has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 18:07:14 -!- elliott has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:39 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:10:09 -!- pintos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:51 -!- Sab0t_ is now known as Sab0t 18:14:17 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:16:27 -!- Mentos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:13 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:48 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:42 -!- pintos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:24 -!- Ragnor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:23:52 -!- clouded_ has quit [] 18:24:06 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:25:32 -!- pintos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:27:54 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:29:35 -!- Mentos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:33:18 -!- pintos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:13 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:36 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:43:40 -!- pintos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:09 -!- lorenz371 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:08 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:55:11 -!- TheUnlifeAquatic has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:57:35 -!- ctair has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:56 -!- atrodo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:17 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:08:03 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:00 -!- Tychotesla has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:55 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 19:16:08 -!- Nilsyn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:17:53 elliptic: ping 19:23:04 Is it possible to make a minivault usable in any main dungeon location? 19:23:37 wait, let me check syntax 19:28:48 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:15 !tell bh does new abyss have upward stairs? because it should not 19:31:15 Wensley: OK, I'll let bh know. 19:31:35 -!- Codrus|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:33:44 -!- lexackson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:45 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 19:35:12 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:42 -!- CIA-67 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:39:48 -!- Ragnor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:42:57 -!- CIA-101 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:43:02 -!- CIA-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:12 gasp 19:43:18 double-0 1 19:43:21 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:36 We had CIA-1 for a while in #CrawlLight. 19:44:01 that's crazy 19:45:29 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:47:31 -!- CIA-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:55:04 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:59:35 -!- Mitsu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:50 -!- Turgor has quit [] 20:03:06 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:47 -!- CIA-67 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:03 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:08:06 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:10:44 -!- Guest30822 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:11:47 hay are there a billion cia-bots 20:11:51 why* 20:12:52 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:13:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:15:31 -!- Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 20:18:20 -!- Guestavo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20:18 -!- blueDave has quit [] 20:20:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:21:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:11 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:33:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:38:29 the progression with these new dungeon tiles is pretty neat 20:39:21 it will take some getting used to, but I like how the deeper parts get more menacing 20:39:25 yeah 20:39:49 the depths look good now, but i'm a little skeptical of the ivy in the shallow dungeon 20:40:01 maybe it'll grow on me, ba dum tissh 20:40:11 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:15 also, it looks like the earliest levels have no torches? 20:42:34 yeah 20:42:54 i mentioned in the mantis issue that d:1-4 are pretty bare-looking 20:43:12 i'll put some stuff in there myself at some point if he doesn't 20:43:38 I think it would be fine to have torches even on D:1, it's a dungeon after all 20:43:54 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:44:39 many players usually only see d:1-4 20:44:47 so imho it's the wrong approach to make those less interesting 20:44:52 (graphically) 20:45:40 that's exactly what i said :D 20:46:07 i might move/copy the alcoves from low d up to high d 20:46:27 since they're pretty cool-looking and aren't particularly scary 20:47:16 the purple torches for late D are a nice touch 20:48:37 huh, I just looked closely, and notice that early D has unlit torches on the walls 20:48:43 -!- Dixbert has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:05 yeah 20:49:24 each depth set has an unlit torch - low d just doesn't have lit ones 20:49:29 which is sort of odd 20:57:40 evilmike: should mangroves still give this message when being destroyed? Your orb of destruction hits a mangrove. The tree breaks and falls down! 20:58:04 it's a type of tree 20:59:34 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59:56 I think that message is ok. One thing that is not ok though, is when you cast LRD on renamed statues. Try the gravestones in wizlab_zonguldrok for example 21:00:03 LRD gives you "the statue shatters!" 21:01:42 -!- dg___ has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:02:05 that sounds a bit weird indeed 21:02:32 FR: mass enslavement 21:02:48 crusade 21:03:11 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:53 <|amethyst> evilmike: would it be acceptible to say "the rock wall shatters" instead of "the wall shatters"? 21:06:37 |amethyst: sure, although in that case, the current message is fine (they're all walls) 21:06:44 <|amethyst> well 21:07:09 <|amethyst> I was thinking to just use feature_description() 21:07:19 ah, yeah. might as well 21:07:22 <|amethyst> I guess walls could be special-cased as they currently are 21:07:33 I really don't think it matters either way with walls 21:08:22 wait, actually, it will get messy in pan 21:08:32 <|amethyst> oh yeah 21:08:35 "the wall of the weird stuff that makes up Pandemonium shatters!" 21:10:32 <|amethyst> FR: "The blast of weird stuff that makes up Pandemonium fragments engulfs the Executioner!" 21:11:16 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:01 where can i sign 21:14:23 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:16:04 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:16:10 weird stuff fragments should cause confusio 21:16:11 n 21:19:37 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:20:07 -!- link_108 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:25 -!- Dixbert is now known as Dixie 21:22:18 -!- ctair has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 21:34:35 -!- Fhqwhgads has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:51 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Not that there is anything wrong with that] 21:53:27 -!- KKCryptic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:58:14 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:00:14 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:40 -!- Kotami has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:11:03 -!- link_108 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:19:33 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:20:10 -!- Rewans has quit [] 22:25:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:25:55 -!- sacredchao has quit [Changing host] 22:27:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:09 -!- fooobaar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:29:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:33:42 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:36:03 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:15 -!- lexackson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:30 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:49:36 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:51:00 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 22:51:27 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 22:55:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:59:20 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:59:42 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:00:27 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:00 -!- adz_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:12:32 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20:34 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 23:22:35 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:59 I think I figured out how to make abyss morphing not slow as dirt! 23:22:59 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:23:07 !messages 23:23:07 (1/1) Wensley said (3h 51m 52s ago): does new abyss have upward stairs? because it should not 23:23:16 Wensley: no, it does not. 23:23:20 excellent 23:23:39 it's 27 levels deep, right? 23:24:32 yep. 23:25:05 So here's the trick: I'm using worley noise to select between different generators. Worley noise can give you the distance to the nearest voronoi point and the distance to the nth voronoi point. In general I'm computing distances to two points. 23:26:11 The entire thing is a plane that's translating with the depth parameter. If you're distance 3 from the nearest voronoi point and 5 from the 2nd you know that the square won't morph until depth has increased by at least 2! 23:26:48 Wensley: pong 23:27:31 elliptic: any news on tournament dates? I have the new banners half-done but I keep getting sidetracked by priorities 23:29:10 Wensley: not really any news, no 23:30:24 all I need to do is modify the procedural layout interface to return the minimum depth change required to possibly get a new tile -- chuck everything into a priority queue and you're done! 23:30:24 cool, just checking 23:30:55 Wensley: Sep 22 seems like the earliest plausible start date at the moment 23:34:04 Zannick: want to be on a tournament team? :) 23:34:05 -!- Frosteey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:32 -!- Ystah has quit [Quit: CyberScript - at o Lula usa (www.cyberscript.org)] 23:43:06 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:43 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:45 -!- Silurio has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44:02 i might be spoken for 23:44:13 t_t 23:44:22 q_q 23:45:51 i've been playing with one of the reddit teams in the recent tournaments 23:46:24 but imagine if we could rope in enne and do some real world crawling 23:46:40 -!- Silurio_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:50 is that a thing 23:51:02 that sounds like a silly thing 23:51:08 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:51:11 If you're a baby, or an adult baby, I guess. 23:53:39 the crawl source tree appears to hate subdirs -- should I hate subdirs too? 23:56:50 -!- NeremWorld has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:00 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]