00:01:23 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-52-gccb2601 (33) 00:01:42 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:04:09 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:05:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:13 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:08:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:52 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.12-a0-52-gccb2601 00:10:47 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:17 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:20:00 -!- bmh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:21:12 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:22:41 -!- mivue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:31 !tell Wensley Installed, but gives an empty page 00:24:31 Napkin: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:24:31 Napkin: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 00:25:42 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 00:26:10 !tell Wensley oh wait - got it :) 00:26:10 Napkin: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 00:27:55 !tell Wensley any explanation about what the servers are? CAO is probably missing because still down? I also see CDO and CßO and CSN - who are those last two? MarvinPA, could you update the "How to play online?" and mention the CSN server? 00:27:56 Napkin: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 00:29:14 Hi Napkin - do you have any plans for running 0.11-b on CDO, or will that wait for the release? 00:29:56 cszo is run by |amethyst, for the record. 00:30:14 03MarvinPA * r8a0affe9865a 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Don't let monsters use reaching to attack into sanctuary 00:32:38 <|amethyst> and cßo is some peoples' shorthand for cszo because the don't believe in four-character abbreviations 00:32:44

MarvinPA * r8a0affe9865a /crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Don't let monsters use reaching to attack into sanctuary 00:32:45 <|amethyst> s/les'/le's/ 00:32:49 did someone die to a reaper this way 00:32:51 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:54 because that's kind of hilarious 00:33:11 Pacra: sadly not 00:33:16 [06:17:08] squarelos the Bringer of Law (L7 TrPr), worshipper of Zin, mangled by a deep dwarf scion (a +2,+2 halberd) in D (Sprint), with 1007 points after 547 turns and 0:06:19. 00:33:25 a deep dwarf scion :( 00:33:38 :[ 00:37:21 CSZO is called CßO on the status page, I got that connection. But still wondering about CSN 00:37:43 Crypt wall/floor tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6073) by white_noise 00:37:43 <|amethyst> ??csn 00:37:43 csn[1/1]: Webtiles trunk server at crawlus.somatika.net (US). Doesn't have its own bot yet, but Sequell knows about games played there. 00:37:59 <|amethyst> phunktion runs it with help from edlothiol 00:38:21 -!- argon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:38:36 <|amethyst> or maybe it's the other way around now, I dunno 00:39:56 hehe 00:47:23 !seen cassell 00:47:24 I last saw Cassell at Mon Aug 13 21:14:14 2012 UTC (1d 8h 33m 10s ago) quitting with message Remote host closed the connection. 00:47:59 -!- Mr--Clean has quit [Quit: Mr--Clean] 00:50:35 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:08 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 01:02:27 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:03:24 -!- RGB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:03:58 -!- jeremie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:08:20 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:09:02 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:10:47 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-53-g8a0affe (33) 01:12:08 -!- heftig has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:38 is the "des" diff driver built into git? 01:14:25 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14:38 "diff driver"? 01:14:43 <|amethyst> no, add this to your .git/config or ~/.gitconfig : 01:14:44 <|amethyst> [diff "des"] xfuncname = ".*\\{\\{.*" xfuncname = "^NAME:.*$" 01:14:46 <|amethyst> err 01:14:57 <|amethyst> each "xfuncname" should start a new line 01:14:58 oh that thing 01:15:18 -!- User82 has quit [Quit: User82] 01:16:20 -!- xyblor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:17:20 |amethyst: hrm, now the lines are gone 01:17:38 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 01:17:42 er, the hunk headers 01:18:34 <|amethyst> strange 01:19:31 <|amethyst> I get e.g. @@ -1622,3 +1622,124 @@ NAME: saegor_entry_simple_F 01:19:52 oh well, not that important 01:19:54 thanks anyway 01:20:29 <|amethyst> unless something weird is happening with carriage returns? 01:23:33 -!- heftig has left ##crawl-dev 01:24:47 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 01:26:15 -!- bmh has quit [Client Quit] 01:32:20 <|amethyst> !tell edlothiol Did you verify (or see) StormyDragon's steps to produce ghosted games (as a spectator!) in #5586? 01:32:20 |amethyst: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 01:42:57 -!- enigmoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:47:16 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:54:05 -!- RollieTG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:07 -!- kingbuddyboy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:06:14 -!- KKCryptic has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:07:31 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 02:09:06 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:16:14 -!- Nerem has quit [] 02:17:28 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:33 -!- Psyknux has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:20 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:19:21 -!- SaintGutFree has quit [] 02:22:35 -!- Palyth has quit [] 02:24:11 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? 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Use !messages to read them. 07:33:57 test[1/34]: xomk 07:36:08 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:56 !tell napkin the page will automatically begin including cao data once it comes back up. 07:37:56 wensley: OK, I'll let napkin know. 07:38:24 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:38:34 excellent :) 07:38:34 Napkin: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:38:44 Napkin: hello! 07:39:29 Napkin: csn is edlothiol's server for hosting only webtiles trunk 07:40:23 Napkin: cszo (CßO for short) is |amethyst's north american server for hosting webtiles and dgl 07:41:02 cool :) 07:41:41 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 07:41:48 I also generally call it czo, since I can't type estets easily :P 07:42:23 czo is east coast, and I *think* that csn is west coast 07:42:47 oh heh, looks like Putty silently implements Compose :) 07:43:14 and it binds it to the otherwise useless Menu key 07:43:33 oh really? 07:43:54 so press "Menu s s" and there you go, like on a real system 07:45:11 wensley, Napkin: CSN is not my server, I just help set it up 07:46:10 kilobyte: which key is the menu key? 07:46:11 .n ? 07:46:46 wensley: the one left to right Ctrl 07:46:48 wensley: the one with a menu on it 07:46:59 elliott: I thought so, but that just gives me ss 07:47:11 nthing hapen 07:47:15 on putty? 07:47:17 yep 07:47:55 hmm, Putty 0.62 on Win8 Pro, english version 07:48:14 and it doesn't work in other windows than putty, so it looks like putty does it itself 07:49:32 default config (besides setting encoding to UTF-8) 07:49:46 there's an option "AltGr works as Compose key", but it's disabled 07:50:34 (this time, I'm running Win8 on bare metal, so there's no virtual machine to blame) 07:50:46 (yeah, it doesn't deserve that...) 07:51:54 oh, I see. you press it once, rather than holding it down 07:51:59 ß 07:52:41 cool :) 07:53:17 no <3 yet, though 07:53:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:56 03kilobyte * re5f5bbcadbdd 10/crawl-ref/source/branch-data.h: Hide Hive from gather_branches. 07:53:57 03kilobyte * r422dbc8ad379 10/crawl-ref/.gitignore: Ignores for webtiles state and spew. 07:53:57 03kilobyte * re5072fcd219e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Descs for detected altars and portals. 07:56:52 0.10.3 works, though, even without those white rectangles; not playable though -- every move takes nearly a second, in autoexplore around 0.5 second (I assume travel_delay=-1 would help, but...) 07:57:45 now the question is if there's a way to turn compose-s-s from ÃŸ into Î², to mess with |amethyst 07:59:27 Unicode 6.0 (or 6.1?) added capital ß, we probably should use that when cAPSlOCK is stuck (I see "CSZO" more than "cszo") 08:00:09 (no, I'm not aware of a system that actually has that uppercase letter) 08:01:16 áºž 08:01:22 dejavu sans has it 08:01:57 !tell bmh that last image makes me tingle 08:01:57 wensley: OK, I'll let bmh know. 08:02:16 learn add innuendo 08:03:03 according to wikipedia, on windows 7 it's in times new roman, courier new, tahoma, verdana and more 08:03:24 Wikipedia redirects "ss" to á›‹á›‹, but there's a separate article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%C3%9F 08:03:32 áºž ÃŸ 08:03:39 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 08:03:43 I'm impressed that those are actually distinct in my font 08:03:47 -!- Deathmic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:03:53 (and Putty should be shot for swapping middle and right mouse buttons for no reason) 08:04:21 heh, and the capital one is smaller :p 08:04:33 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:04:47 (the only other letter with that property I know is þ/Þ) 08:05:29 áºž I can actually type that (shift+altgr+s) 08:07:17 kilobyte: putty > window > selection to change mouse buttons 08:08:08 wensley: yeah, I know, it's only the default that's annoying, since you hit it on every new installation 08:10:37 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:10:51 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-57-ge5072fc (33) 08:12:18 -!- mthomson is now known as Elynae 08:12:27 -!- Jaxy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:51 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 08:15:21 -!- absolutego_ is now known as absolutego 08:24:31 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 08:29:15 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:14 -!- Fear has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:32:02 -!- Southpaw has quit [Client Quit] 08:37:02 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:43:56 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:45:58 sewage "water" tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6074) by white_noise 08:51:21 -!- mhss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:54:19 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 09:00:30 woo, maybe an hour to work on the tutorial 09:00:38 let's see how much time compiling takes :> 09:01:05 ..actually not necessary of course, bah. 09:06:13 Hmh. It doesn't look like there's means to specify what sort of randarts you want when you place them in vaults. 09:06:44 It'd be nice to show the "wear to identify" mechanic there, but perhaps I'll just drop that. 09:07:04 I'm not sure if the unrandart is even necessary. 09:08:37 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:08:55 Keskitalo: robe of misfortune works for that purpose :) 09:09:04 Hmm, I think I liked the previous "exit from the dungeon" tile more.. it was kind of nicely abstract. I think this one skews the perspective a bit. It does look nice though. 09:09:17 Well, I'd need to add a scroll of curse removal. Maybe that'd be good. 09:11:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:11:49 The new scrolls look nice. 09:14:09 I think I also like the variety of trees. Lots of nice tile updates. 09:14:35 -!- Impy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:15:23 Napkin: so you mentioned you had problems getting the new changes to the playerstatus page on your site, is there anything I can do on my end to make it easier for you? 09:23:03 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:23:13 I guess the (un)randart is good, it teaches you about artefact existence (duhh) and also gives a hint about % screen 09:23:26 I guess I'll drop the bits about "wear to learn it's properties" 09:23:49 It has the ratskin cloak, and unrandarts become pre-identified nowadays 09:26:28 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:27:31 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:46 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:28:56 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:29:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:29:10 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 09:29:11 hm, is deep trolls leaving troll hides new? I don't remember this happening before and I don't like it any more than I liked yaks leaving animal skins 09:29:28 pack monsters leaving predictable bad items behind... 09:32:05 -!- Impy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:35:33 -!- Dingo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:44 %git 9f9d70 09:35:44 kilobyte * 0.12-a0-26-g9f9d707: Make troll and yak genus monsters count as those for dropping hides. (2 days ago, 2 files, 8+ 4-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/9f9d707a1945 09:36:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:37:07 -!- afd__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:37:25 -!- Dingo-Dingo has quit [Client Quit] 09:37:38 yay commits that add to dungeon clutter 09:39:00 you should add a friendly monster 'roomba' that helps clean up that tidy dungeon 09:39:04 elliptic: Animate Skin! 09:39:18 I want an army of skinetons at my beck and call 09:39:49 combine animate skins with flaming corpses so fire zombies 09:46:41 03dolorous * r652d019a0407 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Fix wording and punctuation of new descriptions. 09:48:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:45 <|amethyst> edlothiol: logs are at the previous location ( http://dobrazupa.org/meta/tmp.log ) 09:53:25 nice url 10:01:25 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:02:37 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02:53 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:19 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:44 -!- ZRN has quit [Client Quit] 10:07:38 -!- Fangorn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-58-g652d019 (33) 10:11:50 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:45 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:14:00 -!- Fangorn_ is now known as Fangorn 10:14:26 -!- Fangorn is now known as Fangorn_ 10:14:40 -!- Fangorn_ has quit [Quit: Fangorn_] 10:15:02 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:20:09 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:23:53 |amethyst: thanks, got them 10:24:24 -!- domi_ has quit [Quit: ã•ã‚ˆã†ãªã‚‰] 10:25:08 oh heh, the playerstatus page still crashes on IE because the diagnostic output due to CAO's absence gets written to console.log, which IE doesn't have 10:25:15 I'm fine with this 10:26:21 elliptic: I added hides for other troll subraces for consistency; as a clutter reduction yaks don't drop them anymore 10:26:21 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:26:21 wensley: I think firefox doesn't have it either if firebug isn't installed, though maybe that has changed 10:27:38 kilobyte: I understand about the consistency; it is mainly with deep trolls that it bothers me, since they appear late and in large groups... otoh, deep trolls need improvement/axing anyway 10:28:08 edlothiol: this firebug-less firefox doesn't complain 10:28:18 Can I land my spell implementations so that we can get to work on deep troll earth mages and the like? <_< 10:28:36 -!- localhost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:01 kilobyte: btw, did you see my question yesterday about undead getting rPois+++? I had to git blame to find the commit that did it because the commit message didn't say anything about the change, so I was just wondering whether it was intentional 10:29:32 -!- domi is now known as domi_ 10:29:37 Grunt: what would they cast, LRD? 10:29:46 LRD would be the workhorse spell, of course. 10:29:55 Since monster Dig is working now, perhaps they could get that too. :b 10:30:08 do cacodemons have dig yet 10:30:11 No. 10:30:13 :/ 10:30:21 monster dig doesn't do anything of interest though 99% of the time 10:30:28 elliptic: it was fixed 10:30:37 I'm sure elliptic is aware of the fix. 10:30:43 ok :P 10:30:46 is it still boring? :( 10:31:16 It's more relevant on monsters that the player is likely to fleeeeeee from. 10:31:17 didn't the fix just make monsters use it sometimes? 10:31:18 well, it could be good on a monster supporting a band of fast monsters 10:31:25 like a DTEE 10:31:29 elliptic: it fixed some AI bug relating to it or something? 10:31:30 no more corridors for you, sir! 10:31:40 all i heard is it had some dumb book tha twas there for years and Grunt fixed it in like one line 10:31:42 I played with cacodemons back when they used it all the time 10:31:47 and it was not very interesting 10:31:50 elliptic, monsters with Dig will use Dig frequently when the player is out of sight but their rough position is still known. 10:32:16 oh, using it when the player is out of sight? that's sort of inconsistent with how all other monster spells work, no? 10:32:29 That's how it was implemented before I ever touched it. 10:32:45 It's been that way for an extremely long time, as far as I could tell. 10:33:00 well, except it was bugged to never happen 10:33:14 well, cacodemons used it sometimes, at least allied ones 10:33:25 *only* allied ones. 10:33:31 it still seems not great to me on DTEE though 10:33:54 deep troll (08T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 20, 20 | 10doors, sense invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(40) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1020 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 10:33:54 %??deep troll 10:34:03 hm, they arent even fast :( 10:34:08 arent trolls fast? 10:34:10 We could give them, say, Stoneskin. 10:34:10 why would a troll be fast? 10:34:11 troll (07T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-53 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(28) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 305 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 10:34:11 %??troll 10:34:14 that's what the deep troll shaman's for! 10:34:23 have you played a player troll recently? they aren't fast :P 10:34:32 Oh, I know. 10:34:34 (said shaman having haste other) 10:34:38 Give them (or perhaps the shaman?) Petrify. 10:34:40 i know player trolls arent fast, but for some reason i thought monster trolls were speed 11 10:34:43 Petrify + LRD = ouch. 10:35:03 -!- tlocalhos has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:56 * Grunt pokes around for other underused-on-monster earth spells... 10:36:04 Heh, Leda's would be entertaining. 10:36:09 anyway I agree that giving deep troll bands some leaders would be good, I'm just a bit dubious about dig doing anything there... as alefury says, it would be better on a fast monster 10:36:10 ...actually, no, it wouldn't. 10:36:37 well, it would need AI to work 10:36:42 <|amethyst> there's been talk about changing its school, though I guess it would probably keep Earth 10:36:59 Translocation? :b 10:37:02 but a support monster digging away corridor walls for its band to surround you might be neat 10:37:08 <|amethyst> Hexes, for an improved AM 10:37:09 leda's would probably be earth/hexes I'd think, yes 10:37:18 -!- localhost has quit [Client Quit] 10:37:44 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:45 can ranged attacks fumble? if yes, how would it be an improvement on an AM? 10:37:49 no 10:37:54 ah, cool then 10:37:55 make a SpEE for the speed 10:38:13 SpEE would be weird, though 10:38:29 why? 10:38:40 !apt sp earth 10:38:40 Sp (SK_EARTH_MAGIC)=-1 10:38:47 !apt sp air 10:38:47 Sp (SK_AIR_MAGIC)=-1 10:38:48 hm, i thought it was much worse 10:38:53 We have spriggan air mages as monsters... 10:39:06 i thought it was +1 air, -2 earth or something, no idea why 10:39:30 a SpEE monster might be cool if we ever need any more high-powered spriggans, yeah 10:39:42 dig is pretty useful on monsters that appear in forests :P 10:39:56 a SpEE would probably not appear in a forest 10:40:32 unless it gets iron shot and petrify or something, and iron shot is already used so much 10:40:52 clearly give it dig, petrify, and lrd. and also shatter 10:41:13 Shatter is something we want to use very sparingly. 10:41:22 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm... would Metabolic Englaciation need to be changed again to make it more distinct? 10:41:30 I was toying with the idea of a DDEE unique and giving it to him as an emergency spell. 10:41:40 (Which reminds me; he needs to get Petrify as a spell.) 10:41:46 shatter it was a joke 10:41:48 er 10:41:49 eh, metabolic and leda's make different checks so 10:41:50 *btw shatter was a joke 10:42:09 same situation as mass confusion and alistairs pretty much 10:42:11 03Grunt * r315a0eaac2d2 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (branches/zot.des builder/layout.des builder/layout_loops.des): Change Zot colours to extra vaults; tweaks to layouts for Zot use. 10:42:12 03Grunt * rb162e9694c11 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/ (layout.des layout_loops.des): Tweak allowed Zot layouts and their weights in Zot. 10:42:12 03Grunt * r90730a6bcb6f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/builder/layout.des dgn-layouts.cc dungeon.cc maps.cc): Allow levels with primary vaults to use all applicable layouts. 10:42:27 03Grunt * rd9cd5ffbdc34 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-layouts.cc: Fix occasional crash when using layout_basic with primary vaults. 10:42:28 <|amethyst> alefury: those don't share schools though, the other two would 10:42:51 pfff, whatever 10:43:04 <|amethyst> I guess giving options in one school isn't bad 10:43:16 |amethyst: it's true they are sort of similar, but I think sufficiently different, especially if leda's were changed to not move with the player 10:43:19 |amethyst: found the reason for the ghost games on CáºžO 10:43:22 yes it is, but not a huge problem imo 10:43:26 <|amethyst> edlothiol: oh? 10:43:48 Leda's + blink! 10:43:58 That would be entertaining. 10:44:02 |amethyst: I'd be more interested in changing leda's than englaciation, since it is a really weird spell as is 10:44:07 03edlothiol * rd62a275fae9e 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ (process_handler.py ws_handler.py): Webtiles: Fix ghost games, add some more logging. 10:45:06 <|amethyst> Grunt: btw, are you going to merge those monster spell implementations soon, or after release? 10:45:11 like, maybe make it possible to target it away from the player but have it just slow down movement, or something 10:45:26 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:45:33 I'm going to do it soon; evilmike tells me that he wants major changes to wait until we figure out where 0.11 is going server-wise. 10:45:39 Er, 0.11-b. 10:45:57 they were caused by immediately restarting the game after stopping it (e.g. by reloading the page), and the lock file being deleted as stale before _on_process_end got to them, which caused an exception in _on_process_end before it could remove the process entry 10:46:01 That's why I was trying to ask our lovely CDO admin about it the other day :p 10:46:13 ...which is the second time I've asked and not gotten an answer. 10:47:09 <|amethyst> Napkin is quite busy; perhaps he could delegate necessary permissions to someone (if kilobyte edlothiol etc don't already have them) 10:47:15 I hate the whole lock file handling, but I've got to do it to make watching from DGL work :( 10:47:29 |amethyst: I think adding new games requires root access 10:48:37 |amethyst: presumably the necessary permissions would be root. it came up once before when galehar asked for them. 10:49:13 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.12-a0-63-gd62a275 (33) 10:49:26 Webtiles server restarted. 10:49:29 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:55 |amethyst: doesn't it on cßo? 10:50:30 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:30 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I've given group "crawl-dev" sudo access to run the dgl commands; I thought napkin had done something similar 10:51:10 |amethyst: oh, by the way, if you edit the shutdown.html template, you can show a message to the people connected on webtiles (for example, "the server will be back up immediately") 10:51:32 <|amethyst> edlothiol: strictly speaking that means someone in crawl-dev could get root by putting a backdoor into the dgl conf and publishing it 10:52:05 <|amethyst> edlothiol: so I guess napkin might make the dgl conf template writable by root only 10:52:05 |amethyst: yes, but doesn't adding a new version require adding a new setuid script to install the game? it does on CDO, as far as I understand it 10:52:12 iirc cdo isnt set up in a way that would allow crawl access without root 10:52:29 but of course i might not remember correctly 10:52:35 updating crawl without root isn't a problem 10:52:42 <|amethyst> edlothiol: oh, I see what you mean... I have one script install-stable.sh that handles multiple versions of stable 10:53:01 |amethyst: ah... that would probably be a good idea on CDO too ;) 10:53:01 <|amethyst> edlothiol: running install-stable.sh 0.11 or install-stable.sh 0.10 10:53:10 <|amethyst> err 10:53:18 <|amethyst> dgl update-stable 0.11 that is 10:54:06 <|amethyst> sometime soon I'll get around to publishing my repo with the cszo changes, and putting together instructions for Wensley 10:54:26 I'm not convinced the whole chroot setup is worth the hassle anyway 10:54:51 iirc what Napking said back then was, currently you need root to install a new version, and changing it would take some work that i dont have time for 10:55:18 so if someone else did the necessary work to make it work, probably other people could get access 10:55:29 no idea how feasible that is 10:56:37 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hm... I guess I can keep the templates directory in dgamelaunch-config rather than updating it with update-trunk 10:56:50 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 10:57:09 |amethyst: though the client.html could change... not very likely, though 10:57:36 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hmm 10:59:03 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: going to work] 11:02:47 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:15 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:04:35 -!- belasarius has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:05:44 -!- Dingo has quit [Quit: World in peril] 11:08:15 Player constriction continues while passed out (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6075) by WhalesDev 11:08:41 haha 11:08:50 -!- TZer0 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:09:07 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:29 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 11:16:20 -!- quackv4 has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:16:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:17:19 -!- Rewans has quit [] 11:17:55 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:19:58 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:14 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:30:13 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:30:48 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:20 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:37:55 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:38:17 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:38:37 -!- adamorjames has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:39:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:39 Napkin: on https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots if you query "cÃŸo", it returns "cÃƒï¿½o" (mangled encoding) 11:44:10 -!- g057721 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:44:54 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:09 kilobyte: technically the learndb is ascii-only 11:45:14 the cßo entry just turns into co 11:45:15 ??co 11:45:16 cszo[1/4]: New server in Pennsylvania, US: crawl.s-z.org --- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use the {CAO key} or the password "crawlingtotheusa" 11:45:34 would be nice if the web interface was consistent with henzell though 11:47:32 -!- Snowclone has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:48:24 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 11:48:59 is Wenzell RW? Or will all edits be thrown away when Henzell comes back? 11:49:57 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:23 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:46 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:51:32 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:52:21 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:26 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:50 kilobyte: it should be easy for Wenzell to give a copy of its learndb back to Henzell when CAO is back 11:54:47 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:36 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:57:24 is there a reason to keep spell_usage as an option? action_counts makes it redundant, I wonder if anyone would want just spells 12:00:26 i sure hope it's RW 12:00:42 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 12:01:48 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:53 <|amethyst> kilobyte: just have spell_usage := action_counts for those who didn't set the latter, so they don't lose information at least 12:02:07 good idea 12:02:22 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:01 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:58 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:31 -!- Mr--Clean has quit [Quit: Mr--Clean] 12:23:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 12:24:37 -!- wasd22 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29:25 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:37:21 Silly idea of the moment: http://pastebin.com/4C0KrsHT 12:37:26 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:29 -!- nooodl_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:40 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:39:46 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:35 <_dd> i wonder if it would be feasible to have some kind of background texture for the gui, instead of it being all black... 12:41:43 <_dd> something like this: http://i48.tinypic.com/20i6sg5.png 12:41:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 12:42:02 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:02 Grunt: heh 12:42:08 -!- erisdiscordia_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42:31 _dd: it's really hard to tell that's not black 12:42:56 Grunt: it's supposed to be a small halo 12:43:05 <_dd> is it 12:43:52 <_dd> but it's supposed to be dark 12:44:07 <_dd> i just thought it might look nicer than just solid black everywhere 12:44:10 <_dd> just an idea... 12:45:37 i don't use tiles normally so i don't have a mental basis of comparison 12:46:13 <_dd> hm tinypic resized the image for some reason, it should be 1680 x 1050... 12:51:32 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:54:26 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:48 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:46 -!- Tenaya has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:59:52 _dd: how about this instead :P http://halgatewood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/linen_bg_tile.jpg 12:59:59 it will look right at home on the crawl ipad app! 13:01:33 kilobyte: yes, you can edit Wenzell's learndb, and giving the changes back to Henzell would just involve tarring up the learndb's data directory 13:02:27 -!- VideoGames has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:02:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:58 |amethyst: you have no idea how happy I would be to finally have a fully-functional dgl server 13:03:27 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:03:37 |amethyst: the idea for my server is that anybody with an experimental fork of crawl can just dump it on there so that people have a chance to play it 13:03:55 or, I suppose they could slip in code that steals all my passwords. I'm also cool with that 13:04:47 <|amethyst> wensley: I'm working on the docs now 13:05:05 but as a result it doesn't need webtiles, doesn't need sequell integration, etc 13:05:05 <|amethyst> I'm probably going to have to go through the process again on my home machine to remind myself of everything 13:05:15 |amethyst: make a screencast 13:05:36 although, I suppose I would like ttyrecs, maybe 13:06:08 although although, I only have about 9 free gigs on that server 13:06:16 how big are ttyrecs 13:07:03 <|amethyst> I'm up to 3.7 GiB 13:07:08 for two days?! 13:07:20 <|amethyst> well, some testing by me before that, but yeah 13:08:16 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:34 <|amethyst> actually, my testing appears to be insignificant really 13:09:17 <|amethyst> 87 MiB for me, 234 MiB for Grunt 13:09:24 that's kind of terrifying 13:09:38 cao and cdo must have terabytes each 13:09:51 <|amethyst> few hundred gigs each I believe 13:10:12 I suppose I could aggressively purge ttyrecs after two or three days 13:12:05 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:13:04 or perhaps we can devise a custom compression algorithm specifically tailored for ttyrecs 13:13:05 |amethyst: is that with compression? 13:13:31 I know CAO/CDO use some form of ttyrec compression 13:13:43 they're just gzipped, I presume 13:13:45 <|amethyst> oh, no, completely uncompressed here 13:13:50 bz2'd, IIRC. 13:15:25 iirc when CAO ran out of space it was partly because the scripts that went around compressing ttyrecs had stopped working 13:16:24 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 13:17:05 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17:18 -!- Mr--Clean has quit [Quit: Mr--Clean] 13:18:39 upgrading bzip2 to xz gives a relatively small benefit, _un_packing ttyrecs to full screen shots every frame and then compressing as xz gives quite a lot more 13:20:29 <|amethyst> Hm, I guess I'm going to need these scripts 13:20:40 -!- Southpaw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21:04 CAO uses bz2 13:21:06 <|amethyst> does footv handle this automatically? 13:21:12 I have a script I wrote that compresses the right files on a daily basis 13:21:16 you could just mass-xz all ones older than a day or so (or worse compression, if your webserver cannot transparently decompress xz) 13:21:20 in a cron job 13:21:25 <|amethyst> and I assume this happens only to finished games, not inprogress ones? 13:21:25 i guess that's what the scripts do though :P 13:21:26 I am happy to share it with you when my machine is back, though you can almost certainly write a better one 13:21:34 in-progress games are split into multiple ttyrecs anyway 13:21:38 The script never compresses the most recent ttyrec 13:21:39 so what's wrong with compressing them? 13:21:55 and doesn't compress... some other restriction to armor against compressing things in use, I forget what 13:24:34 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:25:08 <|amethyst> elliott: because appending to a compressed file without knowing the compression state isn't good :) 13:25:33 <|amethyst> oh, you mean all but the most recent 13:25:56 right, I forgot that ttyrecs are written on-the-fly, so you'd have to skip one 13:25:57 Right, you never compress the most recent just in case 13:25:59 -!- Dingo has quit [Client Quit] 13:26:07 you could do something more fancy than that 13:26:10 check whether any process has it open 13:26:16 but... probably hardly worth it 13:26:26 That was my conclusion, that it wasn't worth it :) 13:26:35 I also compress some non-ttyrec things, list files and such 13:26:37 should be pretty easy though 13:26:43 Another thing to watch out for is old versions of trunk piling up 13:26:50 Each one is slightly under 100MB and you get a new one every day 13:26:51 with lsof 13:26:54 |amethyst: gzip and xz allow concatenating streams, I believe bzip2 does that too 13:27:04 ...smaller quad glow: http://pastebin.com/871CTtWD 13:27:21 Yes, you could use lsof for that, or make sure there was no game process associated with the user 13:27:32 elliott: you can compress them on the fly 13:27:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: true, but I figured dgl doesn't know to do that... but it sounds like it just uses a new ttyrec so no problem anyway 13:27:45 kilobyte: sure 13:27:46 I would argue it is not worth patching dgl to be able to compress ttyrec on the fly 13:27:51 kilobyte: is the code in-place for that? 13:28:13 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:22 elliott: yes, it's called "cat" 13:28:24 hmm, seems it's as simple as checking whether lsof $filename outputs anything 13:28:31 kilobyte: i do not think dgl xz-compresses the ttyrecs it writes 13:28:50 dgl has its own ttyrec implementation, IIRC 13:29:05 I believe so yes 13:30:02 can DGL play back compressed ttyrecs on the fly? 13:31:23 not sure, I didn't look there 13:31:36 er, wait, that's not even DGL 13:31:42 Most playback isn't dgl 13:31:59 and the playback stuff has been written with bz2 in mind, presumably changing/adding compression algorithms would not be a big deal 13:32:06 I wrote a ttyrec recorder/player myself 13:32:07 but most playback of ttyrecs that are currently being written is 13:32:37 the underlying library and on-the-fly compression are solid, the player interface is buggy to the point of near uselessness 13:33:01 edlothiol: as is, watching them live? 13:33:08 yes 13:33:33 what I mean is, on-the-fly compression of ttyrecs shouldn't break spectating 13:33:39 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35:11 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 13:36:04 well spectating happens from the copies in inprogressdir anyway I think? 13:36:13 unless those are symlinks, I don't have the machine to go look t 13:36:42 minmay (L2 DsFi) ASSERT(!crawl_state.is_repeating_cmd()) in 'main.cc' at line 4553 failed. (D:1) 13:36:50 <|amethyst> hm... will I need to do anything to tell sequell and footv about the fact that things are now compressed? 13:37:04 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:06 unless I'm mixing up things, the files in inprogressdir are just lock files (which are for some reason named .ttyrec) 13:37:14 wow good job dgl 13:37:22 |amethyst: I didn't have to? :) 13:37:31 edlothiol: it would break either spectating or compression: either it's flushed every frame, or with unbounded lag 13:37:35 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:53 unless the data is written twice, that is 13:38:25 true 13:38:49 the second stream could even store the current state of the screen (like, using libtty), which would remove the need to save any actual ttyrec past data 13:40:09 <|amethyst> hm... will I need to do anything to tell sequell and footv about the fact that things are now compressed? 13:40:11 |amethyst: footv works over http 13:40:18 |amethyst: so you just need to get your webserver to transparently decompress the files, I think 13:40:24 unless FooTV has built-in support for compressed ttyrecs 13:40:39 I don't think Sequell itself ever looks at ttyrecs 13:40:44 where is the source of FooTV anyway? 13:40:51 https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_tv/commits/master 13:40:57 er, make that https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_tv 13:41:00 should have guessed that 13:41:12 I think that's just the server and the !tv stuff is part of Sequell 13:42:20 |amethyst: will czo hook into the cao player scoring pages once cao is back up? 13:42:30 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43:15 ??cbo 13:43:15 cbo[1/1]: See http://s-z.org/#animportantmessage for more information. 13:43:19 hehe 13:44:01 !learn add cbo see {cszo} 13:44:01 cbo[2/2]: see {cszo} 13:44:45 ??cÎ²o 13:44:46 cszo[1/4]: New server in Pennsylvania, US: crawl.s-z.org --- ssh port 22, username crawl, key at http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key (openssh) http://dobrazupa.org/cszo_key.ppk (putty), or use the {CAO key} or the password "crawlingtotheusa" 13:44:54 |amethyst: i see you've finally accepted cÎ²o in your heart 13:44:59 -!- brandonj has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:45:12 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:48 -!- Dixbert has quit [*.net *.split] 13:45:48 -!- thened has quit [*.net *.split] 13:45:48 -!- Mandevil has quit [*.net *.split] 13:45:48 -!- mivue has quit [*.net *.split] 13:45:48 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 13:45:48 -!- Dattu has quit [*.net *.split] 13:45:48 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 13:45:51 -!- thened_ is now known as thened 13:47:26 <_dd> wensley, that one looks nice but seems a bit too light imo... 13:52:20 03Grunt * rb08aebe72ee4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (17 files in 4 dirs): QUAD DAMAGE emits an Orb-style glow while in effect. 13:53:18 -!- minqmay is now known as evilmike 13:53:26 -!- evilmike is now known as minqmay 13:53:36 _dd: it was actually a joke at apple's expense :P 13:53:43 they use that pattern EVERYWHERE 13:53:50 <_dd> oh 13:53:58 <_dd> i wouldn't know i don't use apple products 13:54:11 I must for my job :) 13:54:11 could some German educate me? The letter falls back to "ss", Compose uses "ss", yet it's used for "s-z" here and the HTML entity is ß 13:54:52 wensley: the cao scoring scripts will need to be updated with csn and cszo, yes 13:55:11 <_dd> i consider apple a parasitical corporation which i don't want to support, kind of like microsoft 13:55:17 so is it ss or sz after all? Especially since German tends to pronounce "z" the way most other languages do "c". 13:55:17 <_dd> but anyway 13:55:20 kilobyte: the alphabetic array for german was fixed at 26 characters, and when they stuck in ß it shoved z into the bit bucket. hence, german does not have a z 13:56:14 <|amethyst> kilobyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eszett has some information 13:56:19 kilobyte: it's called sz, but pronounced as a "sharp s" and replaced by ss (which is pronounced the same way) if necessary 13:56:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:39 kilobyte: when capitalized in german, it turns into SS 13:56:49 wensley: a crapload of words use "z", sometimes even after s/c/z/, like "zentrum" 13:56:49 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:56:58 <|amethyst> except before 1996 it could turn into "SZ" in some rare situations 13:57:01 kilobyte: well that first remark was facetious :P 13:57:05 <_dd> does anyone think it would be a good idea to have a background texture for the gui? and would it be hard to implement? 13:57:38 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:57:48 _dd: actually, one of the reasons I really like console-crawl over tiles-crawl is because of how dark everything looks, it makes the game more sinister 13:58:06 _dd: which is to say, I think that yawning blackness is a feature 13:58:19 i like the darkness except in shoals 13:58:24 in shoals it just looks weird 13:58:25 <_dd> i agree it should look dark, but i think the solid black is a bit boring 13:58:29 |amethyst: yeah, I've read this today (when we talked about capital ß), it just seems strange to me because s and z are not similar in German 13:58:41 <_dd> also the texture wouldn't show up on the map area, only on the hud 13:58:46 wensley: sinister, hah :p 13:58:49 <_dd> the map area would still have black background 13:59:07 <_dd> i mean the playable area with all the tiles and stuff 13:59:36 kilobyte: dye your terminal pink one of these days and see how your attitude towards the game changes :) 13:59:37 one issue in tiles: if you play on a 4096x3072 screen, you get a tiny play area in the middle and then blackness everywhere 13:59:47 kilobyte: yeah, no one would pronounce "sz" as ß now 13:59:56 kilobyte: i started the ß thing and actually I just googled for "sz ligature" because I knew ß was ss 14:00:04 but Google returned ß as the top result and who am I to question Google? 14:00:14 but apparently it's sort of correct anyway so hooray! 14:01:09 <_dd> what if the texture could be turned on or off in the init file 14:02:09 _dd: could let people drop in their own textures 14:02:15 _dd: I think a background texture might be a good idea, but it should be very subtle 14:02:33 earn textures by completing achievements 14:02:43 purchase new textures in the crawl web store 14:02:43 earn achievements by completing textures 14:02:55 sigmund is eliminated from your game free of charge, for only one tile drawn 14:03:06 wensley: no, that's how you get hats and cloaks 14:03:49 edlothiol: you've brought up an important point, which is that crawl's collection of hats is woefully small 14:04:22 clearly crawl needs the ability to wear multiple hats 14:04:24 helmet, spiked helmet, horned helmet, visored helmet, and cap. is this the best we can do? 14:04:30