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Mandelbrot vault? :) 00:29:44 Mandelbrot unique 00:30:26 Benoit points at you and mutters some strange words. 00:30:52 Musgrave -- he murmurs and the dungeon redesigns itself. 00:34:01 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:53 are there any special rules for Shoals vaults? 00:38:18 no orb guardians 00:39:44 :-P 00:39:57 Zannick: I'm making a pirate ship full of skeleton warriors 00:40:23 bmh: you're a cool dude. 00:40:33 Zannick: I can't tell if you love or hate me 00:40:42 also i think there was talk about making a portal vault ship for shoals 00:41:13 more ships always cool 00:41:21 def 00:41:45 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:41:57 not sure how to get it to flood right 00:45:21 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:46:36 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:46:59 ??tide 00:47:00 shoals[2/6]: The water level in the Shoals rises and falls over time. This can make fully exploring this branch take a while if you don't have levitation! On the other hand, you can use it to your advantage by waiting to go by a {kraken} or other dangerous water monster until low tide. You cannot drown just by standing near deep water. 00:47:14 ??shoals[3] 00:47:14 shoals[3/6]: Almost nothing in here sees invisible, so have fun if you are a stabber with invis and levitation/flight. 00:47:18 ??shoals[4] 00:47:19 shoals[4/6]: Gear checklist: levitation/flight. 00:47:22 ??shaols[5] 00:47:23 I don't have a page labeled shaols[5] in my learndb. 00:47:26 ??shoals[5] 00:47:27 shoals[5/6]: The only thing I like about Shoals is that it is not Swamp 00:47:30 ??shoals[6] 00:47:30 shoals[6/6]: there were like 3 merfolk, and then like 15 00:47:37 <|amethyst> bmh: see FHEIGHT in syntax.txt 00:47:51 <|amethyst> bmh: HangedMan was working on this a week or so ago 00:47:51 |amethyst: mhmm. seen it 00:48:48 |amethyst: The tide flows, right? It doesn't just well up? 00:49:07 <|amethyst> flows? 00:49:49 <|amethyst> AFAIK tide is the same across the whole level, except when it is being called by Ilsuiw 00:50:10 If a square is dry, but at low height with neighboring dry squares, it can become wet without having a wet neighbor? 00:50:26 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:50:27 The tide wells up 00:50:58 <|amethyst> I believe that is correct 00:52:12 the ground is sand, so that makes sense 00:52:36 evilmike: this is a roguelike, nothing makes sense ;) 00:54:29 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:55:57 ??captain's cutlass 00:55:58 captains cutlass[1/1]: An unrandart short blade of speed. In 0.10+, has a custom base weapon: Dam 9, Acc +3, Delay 12. Minimum delay is reached at the same point as a sabre. 00:58:47 ??skeletal warrior 00:58:48 skeletal warrior[1/3]: Lots of MR and AC, generated with good weapons, hit very hard, and animate dead against you. Fun all round. And they come in value packs of several at a time. 00:59:28 it's a magical tide 01:02:15 ??crossbow 01:02:16 crossbow[1/1]: You know what it looks like, right? Good. It also has a basic damage rating of 5 and 150% attack speed delay. Fires crossbow bolts. 01:03:46 Zannick: it's a (re)start https://gist.github.com/3282178 01:06:25 yep. a start. 01:06:41 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:16 Zannick: here's an (awful) idea for a portal vault -- a big open desert with mindless (slow moving) neutral dust devils blundering about casting tornado 01:07:19 what could *possibly* go wrong? 01:07:32 -!- andrewhl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:03 i once had an idea for an abyss abyss. like, you could be banished from the abyss and you'd end up in this vast emptiness 01:08:17 -!- Kagero has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:42 Zannick: I like that. What would the point be? You wander around and die of starvation? 01:10:55 You worship Lugonu and think about what you've done? 01:11:11 i dunno, either you walk for a while and find an exit portal, or it spits you out after some number of turns 01:12:05 the actual tricky thing i had to ponder was how to make it obvious to the player that their movement keys were registering 01:12:15 smoke? 01:12:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 01:12:44 oh, i was thinking a vast emptiness as in darkness 01:13:05 neutral shadows named 'shades'? 01:13:13 ??shade 01:13:13 I don't have a page labeled shade in my learndb. 01:13:57 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shade_(interactive_fiction) 01:14:48 |amethyst: played all things devours? 01:15:18 <|amethyst> no... I haven't played much IF since 2001 or 2002 01:16:01 ooh, maybe the player could be chased by an endless lines of shades 01:16:02 <|amethyst> 2003 I guess 01:16:17 Zannick: This ain't snake 01:16:20 <|amethyst> Slouching Towards Bedlam was the last one I played 01:16:35 er, not lines 01:16:42 i dunno, a wall of shades 01:16:52 the entire right half of the screen is shades; better run to the left 01:17:11 |amethyst: cute title. 01:19:08 <|amethyst> by the same team that did Tapestry 01:19:35 Inform is so damn klunky to write. 01:20:04 Zannick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness 01:20:37 ew 01:20:42 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:19 That makes Jesus out to be one horrifying sounding bloke 01:24:08 i've always wondered what gnashing of teeth was, and why people do that so much in the bible 01:24:16 bmh: oh, I knew that name rang a bell... that's by the person who did Sil, apparently 01:24:22 i gnash my teeth when I sleep :[ 01:24:23 (all things devours) 01:24:26 * elliott has never played it 01:24:39 elliott: Toby Ord, I had heard of him as a philosopher first 01:26:24 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:15 anyone remember the old Star Trek: 25th anniversary adventure game 01:30:20 from the late 80s? 01:30:51 <|amethyst> early 90s I think 01:31:02 oh man 01:31:02 Pacra: That game was awesome. My computer had a 32mb harddrive. If I installed Star Trek, I had to remove pretty much everything else. 01:31:03 <|amethyst> and yes 01:31:03 1992 01:31:18 that game was wonderful and I just found out 01:31:22 that it had a sequel 01:31:27 huh. 01:31:35 judgment rites, it was called 01:31:41 it's supposed to be just as good 01:31:50 and picks up where the last mission in 25th left off 01:32:05 it's abandonware too 01:32:21 http://www.myabandonware.com/game/star-trek-judgment-rites-limited-cd-rom-collectors-edition-339 01:34:30 the best was the CD version, bmh 01:34:37 then you had the legit voices of the crew :# 01:34:40 :3 01:37:35 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:39:01 Pacra: I don't think I had a CD drive until 1994 or 1995 01:39:09 oh man 01:39:15 before that it was 3.5" floppies and a 2400 bps modem 01:39:22 you're missing out on all the original actor's voices :D 01:39:26 i mean, same here too 01:39:31 i only got the CD version much later 01:39:35 Getting cable internet in 1998 was pretty hot 01:39:40 i am jealous 01:39:48 you could probably do things like play UO 01:40:00 and Evercrack later on 01:40:06 something my 12 year old self badly wanted to do in 1998 01:40:09 was play UO 01:40:14 since i grew up playing ultima IV 01:40:50 little did i know that instead of becoming the avatar of peace and balance, in UO you just griefed the hell out of everyone 01:40:56 still wanted to play it! ! 01:41:02 Gosh. 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Battletech was sweet 01:42:13 the aol online games hmm 01:42:16 Silent Death 01:42:19 I played that one a lot 01:42:24 were those the pay-per-hour ones? 01:42:27 and Darkness Falls 01:42:32 no, these two were free 01:42:47 I never played those (I don't think we even had them in canada back then), but I've heard about how they were ridiculously expensive 01:43:15 some of them were, IIRC 01:43:42 I remember getting my parent's AOL account banned for email-bombing 11 random people logged to chatrooms 01:43:50 just to see if I could do it 01:44:00 got grounded for months for that one 01:44:06 it's late o'clock. 01:44:19 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: gtf-to-bed] 01:44:45 -!- Morokiane has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:05 <|amethyst> I ran up a few hundred dollars in phone bills calling an out-of-state BBS 01:48:21 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:49:31 haha lordy 01:49:47 i miss the heydays of MUDs 01:49:57 when they were the coolest thing to do 01:51:26 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Is it just me or is it broken? 09:22:06 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24:42 <|amethyst> galehar: works for me 09:25:12 AOL 09:28:06 I've used that: 09:28:10 spriggan druid n_adj n_noc name:young hd:8 09:28:16 it's possible the lua part somehow doesn't work for you 09:28:17 like in lair.des 09:28:38 the desc is completely empty 09:28:50 could you try Donald or ballistomycete? 09:29:24 donald works fine 09:30:23 got to go... I can check if it works for me on Windows, but no sooner than in a hour 09:30:34 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:53 a wild guess would be Lua getting confused by \r somehow 09:31:16 removing the lua part doesn't fix it :( 09:31:37 actually, I'm doing this on a linux computer 09:32:00 what's n-noc? 09:32:11 <|amethyst> name doesn't affect the corpse 09:32:15 name_nocorpse, in full. 09:32:20 ok 09:36:01 halfling n_adj name:young 09:36:06 doesn't work either 09:37:43 Both work for me. 09:38:11 What platform are you running this on? 09:38:14 <|amethyst> are you sure crawl is using the right database file? can you get other newer descriptions? 09:38:46 <|amethyst> s/database file/description directory/ 09:39:09 You could check for normal monsters added (or renamed) recently such as bog bodies. 09:39:44 ok, I think I've figured it out 09:39:59 not running the right version :/ 09:42:04 crawl: sqlite3.c:15631: pthreadMutexEnter: Assertion `p->id==1 || pthreadMutexNotheld(p)' failed. 09:42:08 :( 09:44:35 Grunt: Ubuntu 11.10 09:50:21 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:53 hey dpeg! 09:56:23 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-3149-g0292ea1 (33) 10:00:20 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:02:30 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:04:58 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 10:05:37 ok, off to the beach 10:05:44 'later 10:10:01 So |amethyst, how's cszo setup going? 10:12:51 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:13:12 <|amethyst> eh 10:13:48 <|amethyst> need to figure out why it's not running latest trunk, despite it being in the chroot and in the versions db 10:14:15 <|amethyst> and I still haven't figured out why the milestones aren't being written, but I haven't really looked into that 10:14:49 <|amethyst> I've got to go to work soon, but I'll play around with it more this evening 10:16:59 -!- wlog has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:18:34 -!- domi has quit [Quit: さようなら] 10:31:39 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 10:31:45 damn, missed galehar by playing my DSNe 10:31:59 Hi |amethyst! 10:32:35 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:00 <|amethyst> dpeg: hi 10:34:12 <|amethyst> dpeg: work on the fourth server is coming along nicely, though there is still much to be worked out 10:34:28 <|amethyst> third if you don't count webtiles :) 10:36:36 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:21 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:37:28 -!- andrewhl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:05 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:58 |amethyst: where do you get all those servers from? 10:40:13 <|amethyst> only one is mine :) 10:40:21 Hi dpeg! 10:40:24 <|amethyst> I rent it (from razorservers.com) 10:40:47 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41:30 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:51 -!- Witidek has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:38 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:51 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:37 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:02 Grunt: Hi! I hope we will get some religious powers for monsters in the future. Galehar is right that less/small is better than an all-encompassing approach, though. 10:57:26 |amethyst: good. Napkin does the same -- did you ever compare technical details with him? 10:57:36 At the moment, I ancipiate landing the abilities-as-monster-spells and nothing more, so as to leave it to the monster designers and vault designers in the near future. 11:00:29 0.11 would be a good opportunity to update the screenshots on CDO, btw 11:00:42 looks like that hasn't happened since 0.8 11:02:25 We'll need to find appropriate screenshots, then. :) 11:08:37 -!- _wh1te is now known as wh1te 11:10:20 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:35 -!- ark____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:02 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:06 -!- Sorbius_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:12:48 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:13:44 edlothiol: call out for screenshots on the forum! 11:14:38 I'm a fan of this moment in my Crawl history: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5494313/serpentine.png 11:14:46 ...so perhaps that can go on the list :) 11:17:59 dpeg: good idea 11:19:10 <|amethyst> oh, I figured out the milestone thing... it's putting them (and the saves) in the ttyrec dir... now to figure out what I configured wrong 11:20:06 Also, move the Tiles screenshots above console. 11:20:50 <|amethyst> dpeg: I talked to him a bit before I got the server... mine is pretty comparable to CDO I think 11:21:21 |amethyst: how did you compile crawl? 11:21:37 <|amethyst> oh... the defaults in dgamelaunch-config do in fact put saves etc in the ttyrec directory 11:21:45 huh 11:23:35 <|amethyst> edlothiol: using dgl update-trunk but I added WEBTILES=YesPlease 11:24:15 <|amethyst> so make -C source GAME=${GAME}-${REVISION} GAME_MAIN=${GAME} MCHMOD=0755 MCHMOD_SAVEDIR=755 INSTALL_UGRP=$CRAWL_UGRP WEBTILES=YesPlease USE_DGAMELAUNCH=YesPlease WIZARD=YesPlease STRIP=true DESTDIR=${DESTDIR} prefix= bin_prefix=/bin SAVEDIR=$CHROOT_CRAWL_BASEDIR/${GAME}-${REVISION}/saves DATADIR=$CHROOT_CRAWL_BASEDIR/${GAME}-${REVISION}/data EXTERNAL_FLAGS_L="-g" 11:24:29 -!- Chozo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:27 <|amethyst> BTW, I really like that STRIP=true means "don't strip" 11:25:37 mmh 11:25:48 they do indeed... that's pretty weird, maybe it's intended to only put the timestamp files there? 11:26:06 otherwise, why would it even compile with SAVEDIR=another path 11:26:27 <|amethyst> good question 11:26:31 <|amethyst> I hadn't noticed that 11:27:06 boo, troves suck! 11:27:49 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hm... would using WEBTILES=y change the save dir? 11:28:18 by the way, you'll want to compile with WEBDIR=something like $CHROOT_CRAWL_BASEDIR/${GAME}-${REVISION}/web, install the contents of webserver/game_data there (make install does that, but I don't think dgamelaunch-config uses that) and then remove the client_path from the webserver config 11:28:28 |amethyst: no, but USE_DGAMELAUNCH will 11:28:51 <|amethyst> edlothiol: oh... it looks like -dir foo overrides the compiled-in SAVEDIR? 11:28:56 yes 11:29:00 <|amethyst> and the scripts pass -dir foo 11:29:01 <|amethyst> ... 11:29:06 yes 11:29:12 maybe it didn't do that when the scripts were written 11:29:33 <|amethyst> edlothiol: do you have access to the CDO dgamelaunch.conf ? 11:29:48 I think so, I'll check 11:30:38 I'm pretty sure I have, but I have to find the file ;) 11:30:47 <|amethyst> edlothiol: /etc/dgamelaunch.conf by default 11:31:06 <|amethyst> (that's the installed version, but I can figure it out from there) 11:32:56 ah, yes 11:33:31 no -dir there 11:33:48 <|amethyst> well, that should be an easy fix then :) 11:34:08 game_args = "/bin/crawl-svn", "-name", "%n", "-rc", "%rrcfiles/crawl-svn/%n.rc", "-macro", "%rrcfiles/crawl-svn/%n.macro", "-morgue", "/crawl-svn/morgue/%n", "-tutorial" 11:34:21 well, that's tutorial, obviously 11:34:47 <|amethyst> edlothiol: so would I want to copy the whole source/webserver directory ? 11:35:08 no, just the contents of game_data, that's the crawl-version-specific stuff 11:35:44 the point of that whole exercise is to have the right tile images / js files for the exact crawl revision that gets started 11:37:24 -!- domi is now known as domi_ 11:38:49 oh, and then you can set game_data_no_cache to false 11:44:34 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44:48 <|amethyst> edlothiol: all right, some modicum of success! 11:46:20 good 11:46:26 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:46:46 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:26 <|amethyst> well, that seems to work 11:47:42 ooh, Sizzell 11:47:44 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:37 edlothiol: any idea how hard it would be to set up an irc bot to announce CSN? 11:49:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:49:51 I can probably do that (and was planning to), but I was waiting a bit for the scoring merge 11:50:45 it would actually be useful for sequell to know the name of the bot 11:51:00 <|amethyst> arg, FF at work is too old for webtiles 11:51:08 <|amethyst> I guess I'll worry about that when I get home 11:51:22 yeah, also, I'm bad at naming things, so any suggestions? ;) 11:51:52 because the way sequell decides when to check for updates is to watch for announcements from its fellow bots 11:52:11 oh, I didn't know that 11:52:16 <|amethyst> grep -E '^....(el|le)$' /usr/share/dict/words 11:52:35 henzell/gretell are active enough that it doesn't matter usually though 11:52:55 since it checks for updates from all the servers whenever one of them says something 11:53:10 ??csn 11:53:10 csn[1/1]: Tentative trunk server at crawlus.somatika.net (US). Still being set up. Doesn't track stats (but will soon!). Use at your own risk. Mantained by phunktion. https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4991 11:54:43 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:07 -!- |amethyst is now known as sizzell 11:55:45 -!- sizzell is now known as |amethyst 11:55:47 <|amethyst> hm 11:56:01 <|amethyst> I guess I have to connect separately for nickserv to accept the 'register' command 11:56:45 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:56:52 |amethyst: when your server is fully set up, if you make the milestones/logfiles etc accessible then I can add CSZO support to my CSN pull request that is waiting on greensnark 11:58:05 <|amethyst> elliptic: thanks.... I still need to install 0.10 and to get webtiles integrated with dgl 11:58:58 <|amethyst> does the web layout matter? 11:59:25 <|amethyst> for logfile, milestones, ttyrecs, etc 12:02:29 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:22 <|amethyst> hm... how to verify that it correctly identified to nickserv? 12:03:33 for logfile and milestones it doesn't matter (since that is just one file per version) 12:03:39 |amethyst: /whois Sizzell 12:03:50 I see an "account: sizzell" line there, so it identified correctly. 12:03:57 <|amethyst> oh, "account", thanks 12:04:06 |amethyst: another thing, do you plan on giving webtiles its own ip? it's hard to put behind a reverse proxy since none of the normal ones (apache, nginx) currently support websockets... another possibility is of course having it on another port, like CSN 12:04:23 also, do you plan on having SSL? 12:04:25 <|amethyst> edlothiol: it already has its own IP 12:04:33 ok 12:04:47 |amethyst: for morgue files it should be something like stuff-that-can-depend-on-version/player/morgue file 12:04:53 <|amethyst> (well, it's the same IP as ssh, but a separate IP from the apache server) 12:05:04 <|amethyst> hm... SSL 12:05:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:12 <|amethyst> I guess I should do SSL... I'll probably need one cert for each of the domains, or else tell people not to use https://crawl.dobrazupa.org/ ? 12:06:45 probably 12:06:47 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:10 <|amethyst> any recommendations for a CA? 12:08:14 no idea 12:08:24 -!- Fosius has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:09:17 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:10:46 <|amethyst> hm... I guess I'll need to reconfigure the ttyrec directories, since right now they aren't organised by version 12:11:23 <|amethyst> of course, right now there's only one version... 12:13:25 |amethyst: they don't need to be organized by version afaik 12:13:40 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:40 !ttyrec 12:13:41 1446. hyperelliptic, XL25 SEHe, T:82024: http://crawl.develz.org/ttyrecs/hyperelliptic/ 2012-08-02.05:54:29.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-02.07:12:00.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-02.07:14:58.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-02.07:20:46.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-02.17:56:55.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-02.18:56:04.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-05.18:38:08.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-05.20:36:17.ttyrec.bz2 2012-08-06.20:55:15.ttyrec.bz2 12:14:19 <|amethyst> but the morgues are organised by version, and right now they're in the same directory 12:14:37 <|amethyst> I guess I should split those out 12:15:19 CAO doesn't seem to organize morgues by version, fwiw 12:15:49 so I think either way will be fine as far as the bots/scripts are concerned 12:15:59 <|amethyst> oh, well maybe I won't bother 12:16:24 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:28 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:12 -!- TGWi has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:26:12 <|amethyst> hm... I guess there's no need to bother with organisational validation, especially since I'm not an organisation 12:27:32 <|amethyst> wha.... startssl provide free DV certs??? 12:27:44 -!- kats has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:34 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:58 for one hostname per second level domain, the last time I checked 12:39:40 -!- Chozo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 4.0b12pre/20110203165105]] 12:40:36 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:42:15 Experiment of the moment: http://pastebin.com/fWcnLYZu 12:42:39 I guess I should show that to evilmike; he'd be most interested in it. 12:44:32 !tell evilmike http://pastebin.com/fWcnLYZu (not very polished yet, but it appears to get the job done) 12:44:32 Grunt: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 12:46:28 |amethyst: console and tiles on cszo seem to have different user databases, is this intentional? 12:47:04 on CDO they're separate only for historical reasons: webtiles couldn't be put into the main chroot 12:47:52 -!- domi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:50:47 Somebody advertised DCSS on Boardgamegeek. 12:51:02 user databases on CDO aren't separate 12:51:52 Unfortunately someone claims later on that roguelike competitions are pointless... citing that devnull tournaments are no more :O 12:53:49 Grunt, that doesn't really work for layouts that are proper vaults themselves 12:54:14 (also, you shouldn't duplicate _build_vault_impl's code in itself like that :P) 12:54:18 -!- magistern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:54:45 -!- degroves has quit [] 12:55:11 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55:51 edlothiol: hmm, I see: CDO has common logins but saves are still separate, CSZO has both separate 12:55:54 -!- kats has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:40 -!- voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:09 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 13:00:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:43 ZRN the Cudgeler (L9 OgWz) ASSERT(book_pos > 0 && max_levels >= 0) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 2046 failed on turn 7545. (D:7) 13:00:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:49 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:21 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 13:05:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte: that's because I haven't really set up webtiles yet 13:05:46 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:14 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:18 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:06:50 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and can't do much in that direction at the moment because this computer has an old version of firefox 13:07:12 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 13:07:42 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I'm going to try to get common saves working, too 13:09:43 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:14:55 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:31 Moving into dangerous cloud with an invisible enemy does not prompt for movement (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6047) by ZRN 13:19:35 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:19 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:41 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:23:19 -!- Chish has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:24:15 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:26:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:37 -!- Escalator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:35 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:30:49 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:37:39 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:46:49 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 13:49:24 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:51:37 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 13:52:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 13:58:30 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:59 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!] 14:20:50 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:15 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:15 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:21:40 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 14:22:05 -!- CaptainPickles has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:22:05 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:23:21 -!- ColdPie has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:24:29 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:15 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:03 !lg * s=src 14:28:04 1738465 games for *: 1007158x cao, 721605x cdo, 9702x rhf 14:29:02 !lg * src=cao 1000000 14:29:06 1000000/1007158. FerretBall the Chucker (L2 OgHu), quit the game on D:1 on 2012-07-21, with 78 points after 1243 turns and 0:03:49. 14:29:10 ...how boring. 14:29:25 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:06 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: link_108] 14:31:08 !lg * ktyp=quitting 14:31:16 199723. Garfeldt the Sneak (L1 FeFE), quit the game on D:1 on 2012-08-07, with 20 points after 63 turns and 0:01:38. 14:31:47 !lg * left 14:31:50 192538. Mefis the Charmwright (L2 HaSk), got out of the dungeon alive. on 2012-08-07, with 60 points after 727 turns and 0:05:22. 14:31:55 let's remove quitting, it's boring 14:32:02 huh, I'd expect quitting to be much more common than leaving 14:32:05 we need to force the players to continue playing 14:32:23 edlothiol: make ddoor lifesave quits again 14:32:31 |amethyst: BTW, you can get rid of that dire warning about passwords being sent in plain text: telnet to cszo is SYN-RST compliant, and I like that 14:32:42 (also give everyone permaddoor?) 14:37:25 !lg * left s=name 14:37:28 192538 games for * (left): 100471x Sebi, 13004x syban, 8247x adamzap, 4436x Arved, 4233x Donatan, 3598x Maurice, 3369x dirge23, 2393x Nikinyo, 1987x DrPraetor, 1950x firemonkey, 1650x Fruden, 1392x b0lt, 1334x heteroy, 1325x KiloByte, 1109x Yorikke, 959x Shin, 931x Surr, 929x Aabeg, 893x Jhav, 813x Zornaq, 761x Pixels, 727x G7x, 658x Griever7x, 623x DonHastily, 530x Camkitsune, 515x nogglebeak, 42... 14:37:31 elliott: ^ 14:38:11 elliptic: ah, of course :P 14:38:20 !lg * quit name!=sebi 14:38:23 199715. Kellhus the Chopper (L3 TeBe), worshipper of Trog, quit the game in D:2 on 2012-08-07, with 98 points after 1206 turns and 0:02:02. 14:38:24 !lg * left name!=sebi 14:38:25 92067. Mefis the Charmwright (L2 HaSk), got out of the dungeon alive. on 2012-08-07, with 60 points after 727 turns and 0:05:22. 14:38:33 indeed 14:39:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: sure... testing something first 14:42:05 -!- CaptainPickles_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:33 seems like no one is connecting to CDO via telnet, too 14:43:37 beh, found the cause: "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused" means people are quite unlikely to be on telnet :p 14:43:57 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:44:05 -!- Roarke has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:47:05 kilobyte: I do! 14:47:08 <|amethyst> woo, got dgamelaunch to salt the passwords correctly 14:47:21 just got the golden rune telnetted into CDO 14:47:26 <|amethyst> using SHA-512 now 14:47:41 |amethyst: cool, though webtiles will need to be patched too then ;) 14:49:32 <|amethyst> hm... I guess we can't use SHA-512 by default, since not everyone uses glibc 14:49:49 <|amethyst> for that matter, can we assume the existence of /dev/urandom? 14:50:23 <|amethyst> no idea how /dev works on msys 14:50:28 <|amethyst> if at all 14:51:52 |amethyst: webtiles doesn't support Windows 14:51:58 neither does DGL 14:52:02 <|amethyst> oh, well then 14:52:15 -!- MPR| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:52:21 |amethyst: oh wow are you setting up a crawl server on Windows? 14:52:39 <|amethyst> rax: no, I am not... was just worried about portability 14:52:48 <|amethyst> hm... I bet this won't work on OS X either 14:53:01 <|amethyst> since I'm using $6$<16 chars>$ for the salt 14:53:03 |amethyst: your renting the server? How much is it? 14:53:24 maybe we should ask for donations to pay for the servers 14:53:39 <|amethyst> but that can be changed to use traditional DES with 2-byte salt with one line in dgamelaunch.h 14:53:46 <|amethyst> I guess I should make that a configure option 14:54:00 <|amethyst> galehar: $99 / month, plus whatever I end up spending for SSL keys 14:54:19 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:30 https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#DOCUMENTATION/System/Conceptual/ManPages_iPhoneOS/man3/crypt.3.html says only DES is supported 14:54:34 <|amethyst> I'd be a bit uncomfortable asking for donations, since my income is above the median 14:54:35 galehar: that would make |amethyst stinking rich within weeks, he'd start slacking on his studies and get lost with drugs and girls. Better not to ask for donations :) 14:54:36 -!- Tally has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:52 damn, already finished his studies 14:55:15 <|amethyst> time for the drugs and girls I guess 14:55:26 <|amethyst> I don't think my wife would approve though 14:55:36 perhaps start with rock'n roll 14:56:18 |amethyst: I set up a list of charities I liked and recommended people who wanted to donate to CAO donate to those instead, that might be an option for you too? 14:56:33 <|amethyst> rax: ooh, that sounds like a good idea 14:56:38 rax: do you know how much gets donated that way? 14:56:39 $99 per month is a lot of money. That's very generous of you 14:57:02 dpeg: I do not. I suspect it's not much, but I know it's non-zero because someone told me they did it :) 14:57:11 Should at least add an artefact "Amethyst", perhaps even a unique! 14:57:19 rax: hehe, nice 14:57:21 <|amethyst> maybe an amethyst ring with an ankh 14:57:44 Jeff Lait told me that we shouldn't underestimate what we would get if we did ask for money. 14:59:12 <|amethyst> I guess for now I'll make DES the default 14:59:23 -!- Codrus has quit [Quit: o/] 14:59:26 Default Encryption Standard. 14:59:28 <_______< 14:59:31 I suspect that if someone said "we need money to keep the servers running and development infrastructure up, please help!" people would throw a bunch of money at it 14:59:57 I run non-CAO stuff on the hardware and would feel awkward taking money for my own personal stuff, as well as having |amethyst's issue 15:00:08 -!- Chish has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:00:10 CAO is partially funded by renting VMs on the hardware also (although it's still a net loss) 15:00:50 -!- tensorpudding_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:27 I would have always opposed to asking for money, unless there's a specific reason. Like server support, or one developer faces a lawsuit, or another one needs new trousers. 15:02:20 or drugs and girls? 15:02:55 how much would a tax on failing to install AdBlock give? I hate ads with a passion, but there's a crapload of empty space on the login screen, and masochistic folks (ie, those w/o adblock) already don't even look at them 15:03:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:17 |amethyst: I'll implement the new hashing in webtiles if you show me the patch (or you can do it yourself, should only be a few lines in userdb.py) 15:03:17 kilobyte: evil, evil 15:03:37 kilobyte: ads on the telnet screen? :P 15:03:48 dpeg: yeah, but $99/month is still quite a bit 15:03:57 rax: have you looked at webtiles-vs-console stats? 15:04:02 charge $0.50 for every post on tavern 15:04:04 kilobyte: I agree! 15:04:30 kilobyte: CAO has no webtiles, I hope to install it on new!CAO though 15:04:34 kilobyte: before long, console mode will be considered as a developer tool. 15:04:43 rax: wow 15:05:23 <|amethyst> edlothiol: it's been a while since I've done python, but I'll look into it 15:05:35 dpeg: why wow? 15:05:41 new CAO! 15:05:59 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I think for now I'm just going to use DES and two-character salts, so as to avoid portability issues 15:06:19 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:26 I'd expect python to have a sha-512 function built in 15:06:27 dpeg: it's been something like five years :) 15:06:33 which is pretty crazy I guess! 15:06:46 Ah, for last-millenium values of "new" :) 15:06:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte: yeah, but I doubt crypt() does *just* sha-512 15:07:05 python has all kinds of libraries, just to make sure no one tries to use it on minimal systems, or ships as contribs 15:07:05 dpeg: No, new CAO is a new machine that just got delivered to my door earlier today 15:07:07 rax: it'll get easier with more people around doing server stuff. 15:07:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: probably can just use crypt() with the right salt and it works 15:07:48 It is pretty great how much of an ecosystem there is now! I am excited to get the new machine set up with a modern OS and some of the nicer features available on the other servers 15:08:08 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the issue is that, if you try to use a salt that indicates one of the other algorithms on a machine with only DES, who knows what happens 15:08:28 <|amethyst> kilobyte: since the first two chars of the salt would be something like "$6" which isn't even base64 15:09:38 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 15:10:14 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 15:10:20 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:10:24 it will never match 15:10:52 |amethyst: not sure I understand why portability is an issue 15:10:56 <|amethyst> or maybe crypt() crashes 15:11:20 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I'd hate to make it Linux-only when it doesn't need to be 15:11:27 <|amethyst> s/Linux/GNU/ 15:11:31 <|amethyst> but 15:11:34 making it portable is no rocket surgery, there are sha-512 libraries everywhere 15:11:58 Don't perform surgeries on open rockets! 15:12:01 <|amethyst> I don't want to re-implement crypt() 15:12:05 heck, Crawl used to embed one, to stave off attacks against Mersenne's Twister state 15:14:50 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:18 BTW, Crawl is GPLed, glibc is LGPLed, so there's no need to reimplement crypt(), merely to lift its code 15:15:57 however, since porting webtiles would take quite a bit of effort, it's a waste of time right now 15:16:33 <|amethyst> yeah, I'll just have webtiles assume glibc crypt for now 15:16:39 <|amethyst> someone else can fix that if they want 15:16:46 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:02 <|amethyst> my patch for dgamelaunch: http://dobrazupa.org/0001-Properly-salt-passwords.patch 15:17:19 also, running private servers would still work, just not ones meant to share user database with others 15:17:36 <|amethyst> again, don't install this quite yet if you're sharing a password db between dgl and webtiles 15:17:50 <|amethyst> gtg for a bit, back within an hour 15:18:32 huh, the crypt sha512 algorithm is kind of complicated 15:18:58 proposed patch, http://bpaste.net/show/iz59YhVqL71wLel0yqJP/ (select 'raw' for the git patch file, wording improvements welcome) 15:19:04 -!- tensorpudding_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:19:28 shouldn't that be "pieces" 15:19:45 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:01 i tried to stay consistent with "You aren't wearing any piece of uncursed jewellery."; 15:20:38 changing both to "pieces" is probably better, everything else in there is plural too 15:20:52 http://www.akkadia.org/drepper/SHA-crypt.txt 15:21:20 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:24:49 -!- FOCKNESSOS has quit [Client Quit] 15:24:53 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:26:08 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 15:26:53 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 15:29:33 ChrisOelmueller: could you tell me when the missing message is supposed to happen? 15:30:07 press P without carrying jewellery 15:31:25 -!- wasd22 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:24 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:52 -!- Panfork has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:47 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:00 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 16:04:24 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:08:21 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:42 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:26 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:12:30 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:14:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:13 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:27 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:18 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:24:11 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: nipaa~] 16:24:51 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:50 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2-rdmsoft [XULRunner 12.0/20120420145725]] 16:29:58 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:32:35 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I have a commit ready; should I go ahead and push it? 16:33:59 <|amethyst> edlothiol: it will cause problems if someone updates without also updating dgamelaunch 16:34:42 <|amethyst> edlothiol: or uses the same password db with both a newer and an older version of webtiles 16:35:48 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:37:44 <|amethyst> ... but there will also be problems if someone applies the dgamelaunch patch without updating their webtiles 16:38:22 -!- rahulc has quit [Quit: (bridge)] 16:40:17 <|amethyst> kilobyte: the warning about plaintext passwords is in dgamelaunch itself, not the config... 16:42:51 |amethyst: it should be easy to make it configurable 16:43:13 just add use_new_hashes = False to config.py and check that 16:43:17 well, the number of servers with both dgamelaunch and webtiles is pretty small 16:43:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte: as in, one, soon to be two :) 16:43:56 ie, there's no point in keeping compat with possible old configs 16:44:21 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:33 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hm... 16:52:28 <|amethyst> edlothiol: also, I was planning on commiting the patch to allow using python 2.6 with the ordereddict library; would it be a problem to change the #!/usr/bin/env python2.7 to #!/usr/bin/env python ? 16:52:53 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:56 at least on arch that would invoke python3 16:53:08 <|amethyst> ugh 16:53:53 <|amethyst> so every script out there that uses #!/usr/bin/env python breaks on arch? 16:54:58 the packages do sed magic to use env python2 instead where necessary, but yes 16:55:54 |amethyst: I think that would be fine 16:56:11 could use python2 instead 16:56:27 but I don't know how common that is 16:57:32 (I actually have a branch of the webtiles server that mostly runs on 2 and 3, but I'm not going to commit that anytime soon) 16:58:03 -!- andrewhl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:58:19 -!- One-Eyed_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:58:46 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:10 <|amethyst> "python2" exists on Fedora but not Debian 17:00:38 <|amethyst> also exists on Ubuntu 17:01:07 not on debian is bad, then let's just use python 17:02:23 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 17:03:22 -!- sbluen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:09 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:15:16 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18:09 -!- mong has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:19:18 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:22:54 -!- tensorpudding__ is now known as tensorpudding 17:23:38 03|amethyst * r626f470a022e 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ (config.py userdb.py): WebTiles: properly salt passwords. 17:23:48 03|amethyst * r2683a443f0e4 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ (README config.py server.py): Support Python 2.6 again. 17:24:54 -!- s951 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26:56 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:06 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:10 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.11-a0-3151-g626f470 (33) 17:31:41 <|amethyst> hmm... 17:31:52 <|amethyst> why isn't the launcher script running the correct version 17:32:08 heehee Sizzell 17:32:25 nice 17:32:33 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:45 fr: Shizzell 17:33:02 <|amethyst> you misspelled "fo'" 17:33:03 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:33:11 :P 17:35:08 <__jpmorg1n> dev version on akra doesnt run fyi 17:35:10 I've just noticed that the Crawl manual still refers to the old Crawl license (the one based on the NetHack license), even though Crawl no longer uses it. Should I file a mantis report, or is this a small enough thing that it can just be fixed without bothering? 17:35:43 <|amethyst> ... the version it's running isn't even in crawl-versions.db3 :( 17:35:50 __jpmorg1n: if you mean cao, that works here 17:36:10 dtsund: just edit it yourself, at https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:manual:rest 17:36:12 <__jpmorg1n> crawl.akrasiac. 17:36:28 Oh yeah, forgot that the manual can be wiki-edited. 17:36:37 -!- MPR has quit [Changing host] 17:37:01 <|amethyst> __jpmorg1n: works for me... what error do you get? 17:37:38 <__jpmorg1n> Error: unknown encoding "Failed starting: /usr/games/crawl-git-7282fce25d not found!" 17:37:41 <__jpmorg1n> Press any key... 17:37:44 <__jpmorg1n> then.. 17:37:54 <|amethyst> oh 17:37:59 <__jpmorg1n> Hi, you have a 0.11-a0-3039-g7282fce save game: 17:37:59 <__jpmorg1n> [T]ransfer your save to the latest version (0.11-a0-3149-g0292ea1)? 17:38:12 <|amethyst> does T not work? 17:38:32 <__jpmorg1n> Failed starting: /usr/games/crawl-git-7282fce25d not found! 17:38:38 <__jpmorg1n> thats about it 17:39:08 <|amethyst> hm... you'll need an admin (rax) to remove your old save 17:39:37 so it's not transferring the save? that sucks 17:39:55 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:58 __jpmorg1n: what's your CAO username? 17:40:33 <|amethyst> Zannick: apparently you need the old version around to do that :( 17:40:42 <__jpmorg1n> i was able to delete it in the (A)dvanced options 17:41:07 <__jpmorg1n> seems to have fixed it 17:41:15 <|amethyst> rax: btw, for future reference, you should be able to use dgl remove-trunks to remove only the ones that don't have any associated saves 17:41:25 -!- andrewhl_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:37 <__jpmorg1n> thanks for the info guys :) and for hosting crawl love it 17:41:52 -!- __jpmorg1n is now known as __jpmorgan 17:42:09 03galehar * rbfecfe2c7d50 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/tiles/title_white_noise_entering_the_dungeon.png: New title screen (white_noise). 17:42:09 03galehar * r76d0bde52347 10/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt: Document the new greedy_sacrificiable option to explore_stop. 17:42:10 03crawl-ref-discuss * r1f7fde6d1b93 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Transifex format fix. 17:42:20 03galehar * rfa68db5f0933 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Simplify. 17:42:20 03crawl-ref-discuss * r2f7c5b71bd9f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Transifex sync. 17:42:23 <|amethyst> oh.... my game *is* running on the latest trunk 17:42:36 wow, the whole mailing list is contributing! 17:42:37 <|amethyst> but ?V is wrong 17:42:54 <|amethyst> I guess I should update the mailmap for that :) 17:42:55 |amethyst, o_O 17:44:02 kilobyte: does wiki editing also go for the des syntax files? 17:44:18 Something came up on the forum that should be added but I didn't know how. 17:44:36 <|amethyst> theoretically, but they're not completely in sync 17:45:58 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:46:38 <|amethyst> There have been at few recent-ish commits (since May) to docs/develop/levels/*.txt that aren't reflected on the wiki 17:46:50 <|amethyst> OTOH, there have also been changes to the wiki that aren't reflected in docs/ 17:47:01 <|amethyst> s/at few/a few/ 17:47:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47:57 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:48:33 <|amethyst> Grunt: stranger and stranger... 17:48:44 <|amethyst> ~$ /usr/games/crawl-git-626f470a02 -version 17:48:45 More things going wrong? 17:48:45 -!- Unflexed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:48:47 <|amethyst> Crawl version 0.11-a0-3148-g097cb9d 17:48:52 o_O 17:49:22 i think it compiled to the wrong place... 17:50:56 <|amethyst> build.h didn't get updated when it rebuilt 17:52:09 03kilobyte * rb2ee850f8e50 10/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc: A nicer message on 'P' with no carried jewels (ChrisOelmueller). 17:52:19 03kilobyte * rd148e65f1cf6 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.reST: Sync manual from the wiki. 17:52:34 <|amethyst> OHHH 17:52:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:52:50 <|amethyst> 0.11-a0-3148-g097cb9d is the last version that actually changed the source 17:52:53 <|amethyst> until just now :) 17:53:11 <|amethyst> build.h should probably be updated anyway, though 17:53:29 kilobyte: thanks! 17:54:19 ChrisOelmueller: I didn't notice that the push failed when we talked about this, sorry 17:57:50 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:46 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hm... I need to figure out how to make the game_data directories available over the web without also making the saves available... I guess I could just make everything available and restrict the latter 18:01:32 <|amethyst> edlothiol: since they're in is under /crawl-master/crawl-git-/{data/web,saves} respectively 18:01:37 <|amethyst> s/in is // 18:07:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 18:07:32 <|amethyst> edlothiol: oh duh, never mind me... they don't need to be available to apache, just to the webtiles server 18:08:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:08:58 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:14:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:40 yes, the webtiles server serves them 18:28:37 -!- Morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:31:40 -!- orleans has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:35:41 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:05 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 18:56:23 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:56:36 -!- dpeg has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:56:44 -!- dingir has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:00:44 -!- sbluen has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:02:10 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:29 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:03 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hm... trying to get SSL working 19:09:53 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:10 -!- link_108 has quit [Quit: link_108] 19:10:12 03MarvinPA * r28b190a1c653 10/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt: Remove some unecessary references to Lua files from options_guide.txt 19:10:59 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:09 <|amethyst> there we go 19:13:28 <|amethyst> edlothiol: hm... it would be nice if it were possible to load the key before the server drops privileges 19:14:06 <|amethyst> edlothiol: I don't even know if tornado supports that, though 19:15:13 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.6 sic populo comunicated] 19:15:40 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:16:48 yes, sadly, that's not possible... not a limitation of tornado, but python itself doesn't expose the necessary OpenSSL apis 19:17:10 until python 3.3, that is (which is why I have the aforementioned python3 branch, actually) 19:17:20 you could try something like stunnel, though 19:24:31 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:24:57 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:31:17 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 19:31:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 19:34:27 -!- wasd22 has quit [Quit: You slip out of the net!] 19:42:45 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 19:43:31 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:45:16 -!- Morokiane has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:45:57 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:24 -!- RollieTG has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:51:48 -!- Guz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:52:18 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53:18 Is there a way to declare a monster as on fire with sticky flame but not dying from it? 19:56:14 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:15 Uh, sticky flame inherently deals damage. 19:57:20 -!- gnuvince_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:57:25 You could give them rF+++ by equipment, or ridiculously large HP. 19:57:46 or regenerating health the same health just as fast 19:57:55 or you could just pretend it's on fire with sticky flame 20:00:06 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:36 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:02 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:07:51 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:12:29 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:18 -!- omni_ has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:42 -!- djinni has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:22:42 -!- ivan`` has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:24:15 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:03 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:09 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:12 ? 20:36:54 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:26 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:21 -!- minqmay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:02 -!- ZC|Mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:49:45 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:49:47 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:31 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 20:58:59 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 21:02:53 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:32 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:03:37 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:34 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:06:00 evilmike: any vault requests? 21:06:18 I think that evilmike would be likely to design vaults himself if he had ideas for them. :b 21:06:25 Grunt: ok, how about you? :) 21:06:31 The same goes for me. :D 21:07:13 well, I tend to be pretty focused. I have a lot of ideas, but I don't start working on the next one until one is already done (currently a small sprint map, which is on hold at the moment) 21:07:22 arenasprint? 21:07:26 yeah 21:07:42 ...that reminds me that I need to work more on The Dragon's Lair at some point. 21:07:49 I don't see a point on working on it further until it can get some real playtesting 21:08:03 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: back in some hours] 21:08:15 aside from a couple of trivial bugs, it just needs a ton of balancing work 21:10:51 bmh: vault request: a new vestibule 21:11:17 I guess if you want general ideas, you could work on some more stair vaults. Particularly Hell stair vaults. 21:11:17 (is there any game-internal reason there aren't already more of those?) 21:11:21 (I like stair vaults.) 21:11:25 one thing someone could try is making a new set of subvaults for the "new" vestibule 21:11:34 Mu's vestibule? 21:11:36 yeah 21:12:04 or, make a new vestibule layout that works with the same subvaults 21:12:18 only placed differently 21:12:33 that sounds too restrictive 21:12:42 you'd have to make a map that looks almost like the current one 21:13:02 that vestibule is like 3/4 subvaults 21:13:36 -!- Video is now known as Video_Games 21:13:47 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 21:14:02 vestibule having big fish and giant goldfish still bugs me 21:14:13 todo: hell fish! 21:14:26 A demonic piranha bursts forth from the water. 21:14:41 the fish thing is just because crawl is weird with how it places water monsters 21:15:05 i wouldn't add hell fish :P. The only water there is around the cocytus portal, so it should have undead fish and simulacra 21:16:23 oh right, another water monster thing that bugged me 21:16:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:16:48 bailey_polearm_1 doesn't have no_monster_gen like the other baileys so it places eels and fish in the moat because of the portal branches thing 21:17:04 alongside some other baileys 21:17:20 I remember coming across a shark in the moat there once. 21:17:32 My character wasn't strong enough to handle it. >:( 21:18:49 you should always carry a pointy stick with you, for situtions like that 21:18:59 steal one from the orcs! 21:19:16 It was the very first enemy I encountered in the vault. 21:19:21 No orcs to steal polearms from. >:( 21:19:25 welp 21:19:58 I wish there were non-lair-branch water monsters that'd scale better rather then it being mostly sensible to no_monster_gen the water 21:20:11 giant goldfish also infect zot 21:21:06 HangedMan: krakens everywhere 21:21:28 what could go wrong 21:21:59 HangedMan: a leaping monster that jumps out of the water could be cool 21:22:37 also: psychic jellyfish 21:23:29 they already are psychic. try getting one to flee from you while you're invisible (I assume this issue still exists for monsters) 21:24:43 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24:50 -!- ZRN has quit [] 21:27:07 -!- Lost_Number has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28:35 -!- Tally has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:28:43 -!- Tally_ is now known as Tally 21:32:00 -!- Nomi is now known as RANDOMNOOB 21:32:14 -!- RANDOMNOOB is now known as Nomi 21:35:13 -!- Tally has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:33 -!- MPR has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:36:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:07 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:12 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:05 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:06 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:12 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:54:20 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:55:18 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 21:57:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:51 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:00 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:22 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:09 -!- sbluen has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:11:43 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:14:43 -!- localhost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:40 -!- Flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:19:04 -!- Turgor has quit [] 22:22:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:45 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:36 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:30:47 -!- Video_Games has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:31:02 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:14 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:18 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:52:58 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:14 First you get the vaults, then you get the Orb, then you get the women. 22:56:34 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:56:40 -!- omnirizon has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:57:50 ive gotten laid via crawl once 22:58:01 just once though 22:58:52 <|amethyst> I haven't been able to convince my wife to play Crawl yet... she insists she wants to ascend in Nethack first 22:59:41 gasp 22:59:42 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 23:01:07 <|amethyst> (not that I've managed to ascend in Nethack either, despite me being well-spoiled and it being supposedly easier than Crawl) 23:01:37 I think it took me less time from my starting to play Crawl to my first win than it did for NetHack. 23:02:11 Granted, when I took up NetHack again after that, I was able to ascend several more times in fairly rapid succession, which hasn't happened with me in Crawl yet. >___> 23:02:27 Pacra: I don't believe you 23:02:34 <|amethyst> My first crawl win was after a month or so.... about a year ago, with only two wins since 23:02:53 |amethyst: In ##crawl the other day, the good players were talking about how the devs are bad at crawl :) 23:03:04 Let's see: 23:03:04 !lg . 1 23:03:04 1/447. SGrunt the Skirmisher (L3 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, blasted by an orc wizard (puff of flame) in D:3 on 2012-05-07, with 104 points after 2149 turns and 0:08:33. 23:03:04 !lg . won 1 23:03:05 1/7. SGrunt the Conqueror (L26 MiFi), worshipper of Okawaru, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-05-24, with 1497395 points after 78370 turns and 4:26:51. 23:03:22 <|amethyst> I can't get back into nethack, mostly because of the UI. I should try AceHack/Nethack 4 23:03:24 !lg . 1 23:03:25 1/1058. bh the Ducker (L8 TrBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by an orc warrior (a +1,+1 orcish hand axe) on D:7 on 2009-05-21, with 1418 points after 5317 turns and 1:01:07. 23:03:31 !lg bmh won 1 23:03:32 er 23:03:32 1/2. bh the Blademaster (L23 SpCK), worshipper of Lugonu, escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2010-10-03, with 1359857 points after 151888 turns and 12:39:57. 23:03:39 !lg won 2 23:03:39 2/576. won the Cutter (L1 HECr), slain by a hobgoblin (a -1,+1 orcish club) on D:1 on 2011-06-19, with 24 points after 219 turns and 0:02:30. 23:03:47 that's so incorrect... 23:03:50 !lg bmh won 2 23:03:51 2. bh the Meteorologist (L27 HuAE), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-08-06, with 1355399 points after 148798 turns and 18:07:09. 23:04:01 <|amethyst> (my first win "doesn't count") 23:04:05 !lg neil won 1 23:04:06 1/2. Neil the Sorcerer (L27 SpSt), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-31, with 1298440 points after 120543 turns and 10:19:50. 23:04:16 <|amethyst> that's my second win :) 23:04:16 ...offline, I take it. :P 23:04:28 <|amethyst> !lg . won 2 23:04:29 2. Neil the Faith Healer (L27 HOHe), worshipper of Elyvilon, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-10-04, with 1318561 points after 99008 turns and 8:11:47. 23:04:52 <|amethyst> One win in late June (offline), one in August, one in October... and none for 10 months 23:04:55 jesus, why did it take ms 150k turns to win? 23:05:19 ...because you wanted to be slow and methodical about it? :) 23:05:21 <|amethyst> with two close calls 23:05:30 <|amethyst> !lg * place=zot 23:05:35 1991. yogidabear the Conqueror (L23 MiBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2012-08-06, with 417773 points after 74181 turns and 3:06:11. 23:05:36 <|amethyst> !lg * place=zoterr 23:05:36 No games for * (place=zoterr). 23:05:39 <|amethyst> err 23:05:42 <|amethyst> !lg . place=zot 23:05:43 I've had a few near-wins. 23:05:43 2. Neil the Sorcerer (L27 DEWz), worshipper of Vehumet, blasted by a white draconian monk (chilling blast) on Zot:5 (lemuel lake of fire) on 2012-01-09, with 588622 points after 135695 turns and 16:20:13. 23:05:45 !lg . place=zot 23:05:45 <|amethyst> !lg . place=zot -1 23:05:46 3. SGrunt the Pyromancer (L23 DEFE), worshipper of Vehumet, blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) in Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2012-06-15, with 430666 points after 74799 turns and 6:05:03. 23:05:46 2. Neil the Sorcerer (L27 DEWz), worshipper of Vehumet, blasted by a white draconian monk (chilling blast) on Zot:5 (lemuel lake of fire) on 2012-01-09, with 588622 points after 135695 turns and 16:20:13. 23:05:54 <|amethyst> gah 23:05:55 <|amethyst> !lg . place=zot 1 23:05:56 1/2. Neil the Sorcerer (L22 FeTm), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, blasted by an orb of fire (fireball) on Zot:3 on 2011-08-27, with 318382 points after 157916 turns and 18:28:15. 23:05:59 There was my SpEn who died to a berserk orb guardian... 23:06:06 !lg bh place=zot 23:06:06 1. bh the Warrior (L26 HOPr), worshipper of Okawaru, slain by an electric golem on Zot:5 (hall of Zot) on 2011-11-28, with 451772 points after 90093 turns and 11:35:23. 23:06:10 That was a bad game. 23:06:10 ...and the HOPr who encountered lemuel_halls_of_wrath >:( 23:06:12 <|amethyst> the FeTm was due to me resting with the wrong amulet on 23:06:25 That character was such shit. He couldn't kill anything 23:06:33 HOPr of Okawaru. Mistakes were made. 23:06:55 !lg . hopr 23:06:56 22. SGrunt the Executioner (L26 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-05-30, with 1415438 points after 76883 turns and 6:31:54. 23:07:02 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 23:07:25 HOPr was deliciously different than most things I've tried before or since. 23:07:40 -!- quackv4 has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:08:17 <|amethyst> It's different from everything else :) 23:08:29 <|amethyst> except HO??/Beogh 23:08:40 |amethyst: I abandoned Beogh. Mistakes were made. 23:08:51 !lg * ktyp=beogh_smiting place=Hell 23:08:52 1. topbillin the Invulnerable (L27 HOPr), worshipper of The Shining One, smitten by Beogh in Hell (vestibule of hell) on 2012-02-28, with 701870 points after 113989 turns and 9:50:26. 23:08:56 <|amethyst> I guess yred is comparable in some ways 23:10:59 -!- Adder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:29 -!- Sab0t has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:48 Pacra: I don't believe you 23:11:50 believe what 23:12:11 also there are devs that are good at crawl!! 23:13:12 Pacra: that crawl got you the sex0rz 23:13:18 <|amethyst> now that I think about it, every char I've gotten to zot with has been nerfed except the most recent, which will be nerfed in 0.12 (summoning) 23:13:54 oh sure. a cute chinese-american girl in my dorm when i was in college 23:14:05 i sat her down on her laptop and connected her to cao 23:14:21 crawl slash. never thought I would see the day 23:14:22 <|amethyst> And I committed one of the nerfs ("better" TR is a nerf if you were patient enough to stack corpses) 23:14:29 she tried an entire week and farthest she got was level 6 23:14:32 not even to temple 23:14:52 one night i came over to give advice to get to the temple 23:14:56 and things went from there 23:15:26 ... you might say that both of you made it to a temple. 23:15:30 <|amethyst> I met my wife in the biblical sense thanks to Linux (and her hardware being unsupported) 23:15:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 23:16:44 <|amethyst> we've been together almost 13 years now and she still runs Windows 23:17:20 d'aww :] 23:17:46 FeBe, this is going to end badly. 23:18:51 bmh: oh yes. I worshipped at the altar of jiyva 23:19:06 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:54 moin 23:20:02 hey Napkin 23:20:44 hey bmh :) how's it going? 23:20:54 <|amethyst> Napkin: hi 23:21:13 <|amethyst> Napkin: I finally got a server :) 23:21:18 Napkin: I finally got my second crawl win. 23:21:19 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 23:21:33 |amethyst: any questions left? how about it try to catch you today? 23:21:47 awesome, bmh! what combo did you play? 23:21:55 HuAE 23:21:58 Vehu 23:22:07 <|amethyst> Napkin: All kinds of stuff, but I'm figuring it out (with the help of edlothiol, Grunt, and elliptic) 23:22:10 very nice :) 23:22:25 great, |amethyst :) 23:22:41 <|amethyst> Napkin: actually, if you could give me a copy of CDO's dgamelaunch.conf and webtiles/config.py I would greatly appreciate it :) 23:22:43 When will Sizzell be up and running permanently? :p 23:22:53 <|amethyst> Napkin: I haven't been able to get everything working right 23:23:15 <|amethyst> Napkin: also, I have a security fix for the dgamelaunch password salt problem 23:23:15 will do, |amethyst, once i reach work 23:23:43 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:23:48 see you in a bit o/ 23:23:55 <|amethyst> Napkin: I may be out 23:24:03 Napkin: there's a low probability chance that I'll turn up in Munich for a few days in the coming months. Any pro-tips? 23:24:05 <|amethyst> Napkin: so if I'm not here !tell me 23:24:44 unfortunately no, bmh.. never had that pleasure ;) 23:24:48 <|amethyst> Napkin: http://dobrazupa.org/0001-Properly-salt-passwords.patch and there's a new setting in trunk webtiles, crypt_algorithm 23:25:21 <|amethyst> (currently defaulting to "broken" :) 23:25:31 hehe 23:26:21 <|amethyst> I guess I should backport that to 0.10 so it makes it in for 0.10.4 23:26:31 <|amethyst> actually, there's a bunch of stuff to be backported 23:27:06 <|amethyst> Grunt: did we ever determine that "Don't clear wall/floor flavour" was actually working correctly? 23:27:25 You'd need to ask kilobyte, as he's the only person who reported that it wasn't working correctly. 23:27:43 -!- Adder has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:28:33 I exhaustively tested the case that showed up in that screenshot and was unable to reproduce it apart from a very specific instance of tile replacement in wizmode, which is a hole I've since plugged. 23:28:38 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte Did we ever decide whether 2bd5812 "Don't clear wall/floor flavour..." was actually working correctly? (after the subsequent fix for wizmode feature placement) 23:28:39 |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 23:28:45 -!- puke has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:34:11 how hard is FeBe these days? 23:34:19 hard 23:34:25 Fe** is hard 23:34:31 (because Fe is bad!!) 23:34:52 <|amethyst> Fe stabbers were recently buffed somewhat 23:35:34 <|amethyst> %git :/stab 23:35:35 kilobyte * 0.10.3-18-gacdca3a: Revert "Don't clear wall/floor flavour when builder replaces a feature." (8 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/acdca3aa6ddb 23:35:39 <|amethyst> err 23:35:43 heh 23:35:58 <|amethyst> %git :/pounce 23:36:42 kilobyte * 0.11-a0-3030-g838f162: Make felid pounce count as a tier 2 stabbing weapon (long blades, spears). (11 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/838f162c9b72 23:36:42 no one makes Fe stabbers even with the buff :3 23:37:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 23:38:00 -!- Rewans has quit [] 23:41:48 -!- Palyth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:45:45 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:47:44 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:48:10 -!- dustinthewind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:00 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 23:52:01 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:44 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 23:59:08 -!- Codrus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]