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(#5246) (6 months ago, 3 files, 42+ 14-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/dc6b9a6c9c6b 08:16:29 <|amethyst> commit message says "put a message, because the XP won't accumulate in the hidden pool anymore. 08:16:54 oh so this xp is actually being wasted? :( 08:17:33 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:48 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:08 it would otherwise instantly max your newly trainable skill 08:24:11 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:11 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:29:47 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:16 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:32:38 -!- Namey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:40 -!- zomGreg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:45:46 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 08:49:54 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:56 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 08:51:00 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:55:48 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:21 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:10 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:14:52 -!- Sprort has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:56 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:53 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-3008-gce27126 (33) 09:33:36 -!- Letchik1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:34:50 -!- virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:45:52 -!- Adeon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:56 -!- virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:47:21 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:29 -!- Guest38869 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:52:09 -!- QubeNub has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 10:00:10 -!- pantaril has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:06:25 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:41 03kilobyte * rda5a47b0bf10 10/crawl-ref/source/cloud.cc: Consider Tornado clouds to be damaging. 10:17:40 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:49:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:51:30 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:38 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:08:02 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:33 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:12:41 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:53 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:49 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:16:02 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:25:05 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:39 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:08 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:36:33 Gehennom:46 11:36:35 ... 11:36:44 oh whoops wrong channel 11:41:08 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:42:06 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:46:58 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:49:11 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:47 fr gehennom ;) 11:57:14 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:58:33 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:03:58 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 12:05:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:06:14 -!- One-Eyed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:07:59 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:35 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:02 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:22:43 -!- CrazyJew has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:16 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:13 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:48 -!- elliott has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:14 hi, does anyone (Napkin?) know where the source code to http://crawl.develz.org/info/ is, or at least how it gets the information from the learndb? (CAO's static HTML copy, requesting it on IRC(??), ...) -- I'm working on a patch to Henzell and am wondering how practical a change would be that may require modifications to the online interface 12:53:37 ?? henzell 12:53:37 henzell[1/5]: Linley Henzell is the original creator of Crawl. "Henzell" is also the ##crawl bot. If you want the source for *this bot*, go here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell 12:54:44 you should be able to find the source for the ?? command in there 12:55:03 Zannick: the http://crawl.develz.org/info/ interface, not the ?? command - I already have the source to the bot and the static HTML generator 12:55:24 you asked for both 12:55:54 ? I think you're misunderstanding... :) 12:56:21 "at least how it gets the information from the learndb? (CAO's static HTML copy, requesting it on IRC(??), ...) 12:56:24 " 12:56:50 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:56 as in, if the code isn't readily available, which of those methods does the http://crawl.develz.org/info/ interface use to request the information from the learndb 12:57:02 he wants the source for the webpage 12:57:02 not the bot 12:57:47 oh 13:00:26 incidentally, the gretell part of /info is broken; it only displays the first line of the in-game description 13:00:56 eg. sigmund: "The bane of all young adventurers, Sigmund combines delusions of greatness with" 13:11:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 13:12:18 Paralyzed Mimic doesn't show status. 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15:46:31 ie, if you're in Shoals and the tide is receding, autoexplore would keep going into areas as they get uncovered, possibly multiple times 15:46:39 map_knowledge 15:47:07 ie, autoexplore wouldn't know about the tide unless it noticed something changing 15:47:20 when I get looping autoexplore in temples with liquids it tends to be clouds obscuring the edges one time around, I think 15:47:30 <|amethyst> and I guess if the player's capabilities change (casting Flight), that would invalidate the squares that changed passability? 15:47:38 probably too simplicist, but could work 15:47:41 <|amethyst> s/the squares/the set of squares/ 15:47:54 Flight is not permanent; boots of lev are 15:48:20 <|amethyst> yeah, I meant perma-flight 15:48:32 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:48:49 I meant, only upgrades of passability count 15:48:53 <|amethyst> s/meant/should have meant/ 15:49:25 no special-casing Shoals or any other branch 15:49:45 <|amethyst> hm... wouldn't that cause the same problems in shoals? 15:50:00 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 15:50:02 <|amethyst> you travel over the map multiple times as cells get their passability upgraded 15:50:13 Swamp would be not a problem as autoexplore would try to look behind the first line of trees in the first pass, only Shoals would get multiple passes 15:50:25 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:15 <|amethyst> hm 15:51:34 <|amethyst> I wonder what would be necessary to make it work in Lab 15:51:39 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:51:44 since there's no outside knowledge of the tide, it'd follow the new shoreline only if it notices an edge of it 15:51:54 hmm, I didn't consider map rot 15:51:57 <|amethyst> I guess you'd have to cache the pre-rotted knowledge 15:52:17 -!- Dole has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:24 map rot is an interface screw, too 15:52:31 <|amethyst> yeah 15:53:41 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54:20 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2-rdmsoft [XULRunner 12.0/20120420145725]] 15:54:21 <|amethyst> I mean, if the player was really desperate, they could write a lua script that remembered the map and implemented autoexplore itself 15:54:26 <|amethyst> s/was/were/ 15:55:17 <|amethyst> The path changing would fool it somewhat of course 15:55:52 <|amethyst> but it could at least avoid the pointless running-back-and-forth that you get if you enable autoexplore in Lab now 15:56:57 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:24 -!- Robot2600 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:00:42 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:02:36 -!- BoredOne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:12:38 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:52 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Client Quit] 16:17:41 -!- Orionstein has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:24 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:58 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:36 -!- johnthebear has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:42 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:30:44 -!- minqmay is now known as Wensley 16:30:51 -!- Wensley is now known as minqmay 16:33:57 ignoring that trainwreck of an inquery, may I propose a quick and agreeable lab change? 16:34:36 cut elf, vaults, and d:16-21 from the lab entrance depth 16:34:37 do you mean removing the deeper places where they generate? 16:34:42 yeah 16:35:25 the quality of the one good thing (the minotaur fight) stagnates pretty quickly when the player is strong enough 16:35:54 -!- |amethyst has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:36:01 I'd say D:14-21 even 16:36:16 and dwarf ;) 16:36:22 if anything is done with the ideas for letting monsters spawn in labyrinths, they could take monsters from the level the lab entrance spawned on 16:36:48 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:56 that wouldn't help the minotaur issue though 16:36:57 <|amethyst> argh 16:36:59 <|amethyst> wtf is wrong with my ISP 16:37:31 !lg * cv=0.10 br.enter=lab s=oplace 16:37:32 Unknown selector: br.enter 16:37:37 !lm * cv=0.10 br.enter=lab s=oplace 16:37:42 -!- palin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:47 4961 milestones for * (cv=0.10 br.enter=lab): 4961x Lab 16:37:49 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:59 oh right that doesn't work for some reason :/ 16:38:04 !lm * cv=0.11-a br.enter=lab s=oplace 16:38:05 2051 milestones for * (cv=0.11-a br.enter=lab): 1002x Lab, 106x Lair:1, 101x Lair:3, 87x Lair:2, 81x D:11, 75x Lair:5, 62x D:13, 61x Lair:4, 56x D:12, 56x Lair:6, 45x Lair:7, 35x Lair:8, 32x D:15, 31x D:16, 25x D:14, 19x Vaults:5, 19x D:18, 19x D:17, 16x Vaults:4, 16x Vaults:1, 16x Vaults:2, 15x D:21, 14x Vaults:3, 11x D:19, 10x D:20, 9x Elf:3, 8x Elf:1, 8x Elf:2, 3x Elf:4, 2x D:25, 2x Orc:4, Swam... 16:38:41 elliptic: 0.10 didn't have portal_branches yet 16:38:53 <|amethyst> I don't suppose there's any way to tell if it was from a trowel? 16:39:07 Ice Caves have a split between hard/easy, you can do something like this 16:39:08 <|amethyst> 2x D:25 for example 16:39:26 kilobyte: yeah, I just forgot that oplace didn't work right for labs previously (it worked for other stuff) 16:39:56 Labs entrances used different code than portal vaults 16:40:02 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter=lab oplace=d:25 16:40:03 2. [2012-06-13] pivotal the Acrobat (L27 KoFi) entered a labyrinth on turn 79237. (D:25) 16:40:28 today they still use a different feature, although DNGN_ENTER_PORTAL_VAULT could replace them 16:40:30 <|amethyst> !lm * br.enter=lab oplace=d:25 x=gid 16:40:31 2. [2012-06-13] [game_key=pivotal:cao:20120511075525S] pivotal the Acrobat (L27 KoFi) entered a labyrinth on turn 79237. (D:25) 16:40:50 anyway I'd be in favour of removing labs in elf/V/D:14-21 in 0.11 but possibly features are too frozen? 16:40:51 I suppose since you get one labyrinth per game, they are going to show up earlier more often. Lab entrances are placed as vaults now, right? 16:40:58 IIRC I didn't merge them only because of some silly special-casing to add a message that you can starve 16:41:09 evilmike: yes, they are more likely to appear earlier because you only get one per game 16:41:39 <|amethyst> elliptic: is that a feature? 16:41:43 (same with other once-only vaults) 16:42:57 -!- Chish has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:42:58 in 0.12 it would be good to do some more serious changes to labs 16:43:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:44:19 You are in a maze of twisty little changes, all alike. 16:44:26 the ideas for changing them are pretty solid, the one gap I can see is the question of what sort of monsters to put in them 16:45:09 <|amethyst> I'll put in my vote for "greek mythology", but maybe without centaurs because archers in short hallways are weak 16:48:34 03kilobyte * r01dd61cbc9f5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Recruit younger druids for Lair:8. 16:48:41 having some sort of theme would be good, if it can be made a bit like ice caves (multiple difficulty levels). It would be better than drawing the monster set from the level the lab was found on, I think 16:48:56 since that could lead to things like slime creature bands in labyrinths, which would be awful 16:49:07 that sounds amazing 16:49:07 As long as the rest of Slime doesn't come with them. 16:49:10 Particularly the walls. 16:49:12 <_____< 16:49:27 ontoclasm: it sounds amazing until you realize that slime creatures require open spaces just as much as corridors 16:49:27 a titanic slime creature chasing you through the lab 16:49:37 they stop being interesting when you don't have the option of fighting them in the open 16:50:30 <|amethyst> the lab doesn't have to be all 1-wide hallways 16:51:17 if you make it have a lot of wider parts, it might feel too much like a regular dungeon level with one of the more "mazey" layouts 16:51:18 i'm just speculating though 16:51:31 <|amethyst> I was thinking have some 2-wide hallways :) 16:52:19 maybe generate by first blocking out big squares, filling those with 2-wide hallways, then filling the rest with 1-wide 16:52:30 so it's like labyrinths within the labyrinth 16:53:05 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53:19 kilobyte: if you're going to do that, wouldn't it also make sense to make forest_paths and kilobyte_rumbling_trees also have young druids? 16:53:45 <|amethyst> a radical suggestion: make the labyrinth a labyrinth rather than a maze 16:53:57 <|amethyst> no branching 16:54:16 space-filling curve 16:54:32 <|amethyst> "You hear the distant notes of a peano." 16:54:38 I'd rather see all of the dead-ends become loops 16:55:34 <|amethyst> HangedMan: increasing the connectivity like that seems likely to make it much much easier to find a way out 16:55:52 <|amethyst> I guess if you can ensure the loops are all somewhat local... 16:56:01 -!- Pingas_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:25 that's what I meant, yeah 16:56:26 <|amethyst> you'd also need to be more careful with shifting 16:56:48 if the maze is automatable as far as pure exploration goes, surely focusing on the difficulty of finding a way out isn't (as) important? 16:57:38 <|amethyst> loops would make dealing with monsters somewhat better 16:57:44 if it were an actual labyrinth it could be almost sort of a mini-sprint 16:58:09 only one way forward, have to deal with every monster 16:58:11 <|amethyst> since in an acyclic lab, if a monster's between you and where you want to be, you have to fight it (or blink past etc) 16:58:47 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: palin in ##crawl recently mentioned the Pattern from the Amber books 16:59:28 -!- Lasse- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:38 current labs are acyclic away from vaults, no? 16:59:39 what's that? 17:00:02 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:00:13 acyclic, but shifts effectively cause cycles 17:01:46 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pattern 17:01:46 -!- Chish has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:01:59 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: "Once a walker sets foot upon the Pattern, he must continue following its labyrinthine course to the center; stopping for too long, or leaving the pathway of the Pattern, results in a terrible death." 17:02:02 03kilobyte * r2b24d0edd783 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Spawn only young druids in forest_paths in Lair. 17:02:39 ah 17:02:44 that's pretty cool 17:02:56 |amethyst: so you take damage/rot/something if you back-track too much or don't advance? 17:02:57 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: in zangband, stepping off the patter summons pattern vortices, which are basically unkillable player-slaughtering machines 17:03:05 <|amethyst> s/tter /ttern/ 17:03:08 that seems like it could be interesting wrt fighting monsters in it, if there are multiple paths to the centre 17:03:22 maybe the labyrinth shrinks inwards, and if you get caught you get dumped out 17:03:41 or there's a slow-but-extremely-powerful thing following you 17:04:32 <|amethyst> tekeli-li! 17:06:47 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:10:50 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:17:30 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-3011-g2b24d0e 17:19:08 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:05 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:06 -!- Keratin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:38:35 evilmike: I don't like the solitary vampire mosquitoes you get half the time now. They are just pathetic when there is only one. 17:38:49 maybe it works okay in swamp, but not in other places where they spawn 17:38:56 (maybe they shouldn't spawn outside swamp?) 17:39:09 is there any reason to keep most of ../docs/obsolete/ ? The files there are incomplete scraps of old changelogs, old FRs, etc. 17:39:21 the swamp Lair ending 17:39:44 I'm leaving tomorrow morning for 3 weeks 17:39:49 so don't look for me :) 17:39:50 I meant randomly in D/V 17:39:52 elliptic: oh yeah, I wasn't thinking of the ones that can spawn in the main dungeon 17:39:57 -!- Codrus has quit [Quit: o/] 17:40:02 galehar: completely or mostly completely? 17:40:15 I'll have my phone 17:40:16 galehar: if so, could you do a Transifex sync then? 17:40:28 especially uploading .en stuff 17:40:41 ok 17:41:18 I'd like to update (well, rewrite) my script before pulling anything, because it's really quite bad at merging 17:41:30 but pushing trunk to tx should be fine 17:42:30 kilobyte: maybe the ancient changelogs in there are worth keeping 17:44:08 galehar: that's why I didn't insist on syncs earlier, as doing them manually is unnecessary work when a rewrite is coming 17:44:18 I like cut_spells for the sake of reference 17:44:50 that stuff can be put somewhere else (like on the dev wiki) 17:44:56 but if it won't be ready for 0.11, there's a need to do it at least once 17:45:25 resource files are uploading 17:46:07 done 17:47:28 do we have a deadline for 0.11 yet? 17:48:58 no, it would be good to know when the tourney is supposed to happen 17:52:06 03evilmike * r8b216e2c15cd 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Make vampire mosquitoes spawn in bands again. 17:53:47 well, there's no harm in releasing a couple weeks before the tournament, and it might help if there are any serious exploits that need fixing (I remember a couple that cropped up in the previous tournament) 17:55:13 kilobyte: tourney scheduling is waiting on knowledge of a possible CAO downtime in August, so 0.11 scheduling shouldn't really be waiting on it 17:55:16 -!- Souljazz has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120714012003]] 17:57:02 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:58:08 right, so let's put in the remaining pieces (config files, tiles) over the weekend and concentrate on bugs... 17:58:42 there's still so many unhandled tile submissions, it feels like an insult to the artists to ignore them 18:01:29 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:03:56 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:33 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:50 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:23 -!- UbAh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:59 is the tutorial ready? 18:13:16 thats another thing that might have to be finished before release 18:14:42 oh, and the tutorial 18:15:04 not sure how's Eino doing 18:20:34 I was curious about the tutorial and played through it a week ago, it seems ready enough to me. I don't know if there are any major todos left, but the current version works... 18:20:57 galehar: could you try to pull Transifex stuff as well? tx-pull still does nothing for me. 18:20:57 my only thoughts are that parts of it place a lot of emphasis on secret doors, and it's strange how the gods tutorial makes you play a high elf of trog 18:21:57 evilmike: Eino wanted to make all tutorial stuff translateable, since this is what matters to a new player the most 18:23:10 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:38 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:09 -!- nooodl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:28:59 galehar: care to pull from Transifex as well? tx-pull does nothing for me. 18:29:47 even a mindless overwrite (pushed to a branch) would be ok, I can merge stuff manually this time 18:30:21 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:31:42 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:41:25 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:12 -!- rax changed the topic of ##crawl to: CAO likely to have significant August downtime, please stay tuned for details | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious! 18:42:15 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:42:36 Hi developers, I am likely to have to take CAO down for a decent portion of August. How can I minimally hose you in the process of so doing? 18:42:38 -!- LoknarGor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43:08 -!- LoknarGo1 is now known as LoknarGor 18:43:40 maybe spin up an instance of something, run the crawl stuff there for a while, point CAO to it? try to make it seamless-ish? 18:44:38 I do not have the cycles personally to make it seamless. 18:44:55 I may be able to make play downtime a couple of days rather than a couple of weeks if I get things to work right. 18:45:11 I am moving from one machine in one colo in one VM system to another one cross-country. It's just gonna suck. :/ 18:45:18 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Quit: I quit] 18:45:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:18 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:46:22 I for one care mostly about when you could reasonably expect it to be stable again, for tourney purposes 18:46:52 telling people to play on CDO for a while doesn't make the world end 18:47:10 kilobyte: Target is, realistically, end of August. :( I would like to get it done sooner than that but can't commit to it at this point. 18:47:25 sure, it's better to be safe than sorry 18:47:56 Are dev services hosted on CAO at all? I know Henzell is but it's presumably movable/livable-without 18:48:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:34 not a clue here :( 18:49:02 Is there somewhere I could email? 18:53:33 -!- BrightCloud has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:54:34 * kilobyte can't help you more than the crickets :( 18:57:13 rax: find / -name *crawl* ? :) 18:57:24 what else is there? forum/wikis/mantis is hosted on CDO. sequell is somewhere else entirely, isn't it? 18:59:01 Yeah 18:59:07 I don't _think_ there's other tuff 18:59:25 but I don't want ot take it down, put the data in a box and ship it, and then have someone go "oh my god I need that data to live" 19:00:06 rax: it is a game; if something breaks maybe the people who are bothered by that should put in the time/effort/money required for more systematic upkeep 19:01:20 oh sure, just trying to be nice :) 19:03:41 kilobyte: tried to pull tx files, but it seems they are empty somehow 19:03:49 can't look into it now, have to sleep 19:07:33 -!- stormclouds has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:24:07 03kilobyte * r26fb3c0b8e2a 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Give crimson imps the same intelligence as other imps. 19:24:07 03kilobyte * r5e49adf5880a 10/crawl-ref/docs/obsolete/ (6 files): Drop some junk from ../docs/obsolete/ 19:24:09 03kilobyte * r52920763ef69 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (7 files in 2 dirs): An animated altar tile for Nemelex (roctavian) 19:24:09 03kilobyte * r135e2d8c7efd 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (99 files in 2 dirs): Drop redundant altar_ from altar file names. 19:24:19 03kilobyte * rfcc898b07d67 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Roctavian's altar updates for Fedhas, Lucy, TSO, Vehumet, Sif Muna, Yred, Zin. 19:27:44 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:29:35 -!- archl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:33:18 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:40:18 -!- barbs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:43:19 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:40 -!- Ghworg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:53 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:48:03 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:29 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:50:01 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:19 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:51:19 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 19:52:11 03therealchriswest * rc348bcf42667 10/crawl-ref/source/ (fontwrapper-ft.cc fontwrapper-ft.h): Don't crash on font rendering when there's anything outside ascender..descender. 19:57:04 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:58:03 03kilobyte * r2d98612ead89 10/crawl-ref/git-hooks/crawl-ref-cia: Teach CIA about frogbotherer. 20:00:29 awesome, thanks :) 20:00:41 kilobyte: whats wrong with the ash altar? 20:02:23 i havent seen it ingame, but it seems perfect for ash. a shattered altar with a floaty glowy eye thing. 20:02:52 just cut the crap about "pieces suspended in midair etc." from the description, it's dumb anyway. 20:05:28 frogbotherer: I guess the thanks here go the wrong way. Let's see who did all the actual work... :) 20:06:53 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:06:55 alefury: perhaps; I installed only those I was sure about 20:07:24 maybe some of the other altars also dont fit the description btw. i only remember the ash one because its horrible. 20:07:27 in the case of Yredelemnul, it's more about it being hard to choose... 20:07:59 i kinda like the current ash altar 20:08:09 mrbobbyg (L27 MfGl) ASSERT(branch != NUM_BRANCHES && depth != -1) in 'travel.cc' at line 2983 failed. (D:24) 20:08:49 -!- UbAh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:20 -!- UbAh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:34 well, the current tile is much better than the altar description :) 20:10:00 but for me it doesnt really have any connection with ash 20:16:01 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:40 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:05 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:17:14 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:17:14 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 20:19:50 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: bonghitz] 20:24:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:32:02 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:04 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:04 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 20:35:12 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:56 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:36:50 -!- Nomi_ is now known as Nomi 20:40:18 -!- Chish has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:55 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49:57 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:53:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:57:56 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:02:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:55 -!- ryansee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:16:07 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18:06 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:31:37 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:32:06 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:27 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:54 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:34:58 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 21:39:58 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:37 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:54:16 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:29 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:00:16 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:04:54 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:13:30 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 22:15:58 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:02 < alefury> just cut the crap about "pieces suspended in midair etc." from the description, it's dumb anyway. 22:17:05 get out 22:17:13 -!- LoknarGor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:17:31 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:17 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:12 -!- stenno_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:28:18 -!- inde2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:34:49 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:48 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:07:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 23:11:01 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-3019-g2d98612 23:34:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 23:37:21 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:21 -!- DrCrypt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:50:08 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:38 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 23:52:33 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:53:35 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:29 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 23:57:04 -!- LoknarGor has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:59:33 -!- Grunt has quit [Quit: leaving]