00:03:46 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2832-g354d479 (33) 00:12:28 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:15:32 When a worshiper of Jiyva Juatzu reaches 6 star piety and enters the final floor of the Slime Pits all the treasure gets eaten. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5922) by lordhamshire 00:16:09 unexpected feature 00:20:11 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2832-g354d479 00:21:08 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 00:21:53 elliptic: oh, yeah that lair is harder now. It's just the vampire mosquitos I think 00:22:24 Forgot how many that ending placed 00:22:28 would just removing them hurt people a lot? 00:22:53 removing them isn't necessary, I'll just decrease the number 00:23:38 that'll still make it a lair:8 ending i decide to hit around xl20 then 00:23:42 which can't be intended 00:24:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE] 00:27:12 XL20? really? 00:29:06 well whenever i am around for lair subbranches, for some races that's earlier than 20 00:29:35 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:08 -!- Lost_Number has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:31:56 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:36:45 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: bye] 00:38:35 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:21 03evilmike * r74418d3363a5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des: Decrease the number of monsters in minmay_lair_end_frog_pond. 00:48:07 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:54:45 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:10 -!- elliott has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07:45 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:37 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:18 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:11:05 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:29 -!- _dd is now known as Guest77566 01:12:22 -!- Guest77566 is now known as ddee 01:26:59 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:51 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:37 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:32:43 -!- santiago has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:23 pivotal the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFE) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 175 failed on turn 98194. (Zot:5) 01:33:56 -!- faze has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:15 the ogfe bug was due to using step from time 01:37:17 pivotal the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFE) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 175 failed on turn 98177. (Zot:5) 01:37:54 that one was from using temporal distortion 01:37:59 both happened after picking up the orb 01:40:42 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.] 01:42:09 Crash in Zot:5 when using Chei abilities after picking up the Orb. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5923) by pivotal 01:45:55 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:50:11 pivotal the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFE) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 175 failed on turn 98657. (Zot:4) 01:53:40 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:55:43 pivotal the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFE) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 175 failed on turn 99928. (Crypt:3) 01:56:35 are monsters meant to be able to unwield, let's say, a bow while berserk? 01:58:20 i - tha cursed +0 pair o' gloves o' tha Louse {rPois rN+ Acc-7} 01:58:44 sorry for that 02:05:31 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:13:04 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:15:02 pivotal the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFE) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 175 failed on turn 101534. (Tomb:3) 02:16:49 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:18:38 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:39 pivotal the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFE) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 175 failed on turn 102590. (Tomb:3) 02:28:34 pivotal the Ogre Mage (L27 OgFE) ASSERT(!env.orb_pos.origin()) in 'areas.cc' at line 175 failed on turn 102522. (Tomb:2) 02:29:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:29:37 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:10 -!- ac13_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:47:32 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:49:07 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:57:55 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08:11 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:08:24 Orc Allies and Raised Orc Zombies images appear as random randart items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5924) by ChaseSC 03:13:16 -!- Pepe has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:06 -!- rossi has quit [Client Quit] 03:19:40 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:36 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:29:40 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:32:40 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:41:04 -!- faze has left ##crawl-dev 03:47:57 Okay 03:48:14 A point has been repeatedly raised that hunger occurs by real turns 03:48:23 As such, Cheibriados makes you twice as hungry 03:48:26 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:51:16 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 03:51:52 syraine, that does sound problematic and counter-intuitive now that you bring it up 03:52:11 It does sound a little strange, yes! 03:52:25 reintroduce "tummy" flavour 03:52:29 i know that fact and a lot of players have been surprised when i told it to them 03:52:50 advertises a slow digestion, and yet your hunger is in fact nearly double normal whilst you move! 03:53:24 i thought that was why chei slows your digestion 03:53:28 does he still do that? 03:53:35 It's -1 a tick 03:53:41 So for humans, you take 2 a tick 03:54:18 There is a patch for speech that I am intending to submit which comments on how Cheibriados slows digestion 03:54:39 So currently it is a blatant lie 03:54:43 just don't freak people out like with the butterfly one :P 03:55:18 that was good; i wasn't freaked out by it myself 03:55:37 Mesmerizing butterflies... 03:55:44 monsters shouldn't cast fake spells at you with their speech! 03:55:46 so how slow is a human with maxed chei piety? 03:55:49 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:55 eg getting "you feel drained" from boris. while playing a mummy. 03:55:56 evilmike, what about that nonsense boris and margery have 03:55:57 FIRE BOLT 03:56:09 I didn't touch those 03:56:15 mikee_: they lost most of that crap. at least the stuff that copies real spells is gone 03:56:19 My spell cantrips were all designed to be obviously not spells 03:56:21 mmm good 03:56:26 and those pesky orcs casting might :( 03:56:39 Menkaure's spells make you feel, say, depressed. 03:56:51 orc dont cast might, but there is a weaker effect they can get, when a stronger orc buffs them 03:57:05 he's maybe thinking of the orc priest cantrip that looks like might 03:57:13 Yes, but ChrisOelmueller references the line by orc priests and orc high priests which pretends to 03:57:18 yes that was what i referred to 03:57:22 ah 03:57:28 The orc priest looks stronger. 03:57:44 Actually, that would be an orc priest drinking a potion of gain strength 03:57:47 Which is just bizarre 03:57:53 Please never have this happen 03:58:05 well let's stay on the topic of cheibriados 03:58:10 Yes, I digress. 03:58:16 The orc priest reads a scroll. This is a scroll of acquirement! 03:58:18 i don't want there to be lying in your new lines of speech 03:58:31 so how slow exactly is a human of chei with maxed piety? 03:58:35 A choko appears at the orc priest's feet! 03:58:41 increases movement delay by a base of 2, then up to 10. 03:58:49 That means that human is movement delay 22. 03:59:00 A Human. * 03:59:04 so to get the hunger from movement, we must multiplay 2*2.2 03:59:08 or 4.4 hunger per turn 03:59:10 Yes, so 4.4. 03:59:12 Mm. 03:59:29 In addition, a Spriggan becomes movement delay 18. 03:59:30 that sounds like fast metabolism 03:59:34 Yes, it does. 04:00:51 It is in fact marginally worse. 04:01:11 what if word of this were to get out 04:01:29 the cdo blog would be have 100 angry comments about food loss 04:01:35 already a laughingstock, would be stripped of one of the meager benefits of the god. 04:01:48 ~*~Shakes a sad tentacle.~*~ 04:01:57 Seems like a waste. 04:02:05 All those aspiring Cheibriadosites. 04:02:24 the real fun would be posting word of it and indicating that it was recently changed or will be in 0.11 04:02:28 and watching those comments 04:02:42 yes 04:02:47 Absolutely. 04:10:56 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:31 -!- voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:05 actually, there's a special case here: walking (only) caps hunger at delay 10 04:31:39 otherwise, it works in real time 04:32:25 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:15 Why isn't hunger in fake turns? 04:36:41 i'm not sure it should be 04:36:58 I guess not. Carry on, then. 04:37:37 one more reason to get an event timer! ;o 04:37:56 oh, hp and mp regen also uses capped time 04:38:20 Yes! 04:43:24 about #4893, I'm really tempted to put implementing a scheduler with an event queue on the 0.12 agenda 04:43:28 needs more upvotes 04:51:08 -!- Porost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51:30 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:51:55 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:28 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:02 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:59:33 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:02:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:02:36 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2833-g74418d3 05:02:36 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 05:13:59 -!- atomicthumbs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:11 -!- Mouroux has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:15:24 -!- moxian_ has quit [Quit: quit] 05:24:15 heh 05:24:34 wizmode testing says a human with max chei piety has a 2.0 mov delay, not 2.2 05:25:23 and yes, we should increase Chei's sustenance effect, not make hunger depend on player turn 05:25:36 switching jewellery or weapons shouldn't make you hungrier than moving around 05:27:39 yeah there's a cap at 2 for the delay multiplier 05:27:53 at least per learndb, 05:28:01 ??cheibriados[3] 05:28:01 [3/7]: Chei increases your movement delay by 2+piety/20 (capped at 10) and boosts all your stats by piety/10 - 1 (capped at 15). 05:28:28 Yeah 05:28:32 Sorry, I was reading code 05:28:41 unforgivable 05:28:46 :z 05:29:43 Anyway 05:29:51 Your regeneration is halved, then, while moving 05:32:19 regeneration = food use 05:32:26 Unless turns matter 05:32:40 Or am I misunderstanding you 05:32:53 no, turns matter exactly as much for hp/mp regen as for hunger 05:33:13 So, not at all? 05:33:16 Up to this cap? 05:33:28 the rule is: all actions other than movement: real time. Movement: min(real time, 10) 05:33:47 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:33:48 All actions occur in real time, right. 05:34:02 Except movement, which, if greater than 10, occurs as though at speed 10. 05:34:37 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:34:41 there was a long discussion years ago, we ended up with this hack as a way to not break both spriggans and nagas 05:35:18 Okay. 05:35:21 spriggans ended up with slow heal/slow digestion while moving, nagas ended up unchanged from the old state 05:36:10 trunk had all combinations for at least some time :p Spriggans with huge hunger and slow healing, full healing and slow hunger, ... 05:36:31 Hmm. 05:36:37 I just wish Cheibriados wasn't a joke. 05:36:46 This was the main thrust behind it. 05:37:57 I genuinely think "slow god" is a great theme, but may be the only one. :) 05:38:17 It is an interesting theme. 05:38:22 It's just that moving is so important. 05:38:54 i wouldn't mind a god designed to hinder escaping if it weren't about being slow, yes 05:39:40 permanent mesmerise or no tloc would be better restrictions for me 05:39:45 Tangentially, Chei could delay your teleports further, and also delay blinks.. the translocations thing is a bit unthematic as is continuously noted. 05:40:01 perma-stasis would also block haste even 05:40:21 The strongest ready use of Cheibriados is a blinking Conjurer. 05:40:35 Via the Warper spellbook. 05:40:50 -sigh- 05:41:05 Because you get 15 Intelligence and an Invocation that lets you kill everything you see. 05:41:09 hmmh, I wonder if tutorial should say "shift-w" instead of "W" - it came up to no end in usability testing that newplayers don't 05:41:26 that players without roguelike experience don't distinguish between lowercase and uppercase command letters 05:41:39 can you display some icon for shift? or is it ascii only? 05:41:46 ^ 05:41:47 i find the word 'shift' too massive there 05:41:47 except, that the "W" is a result of command lookup 05:41:48 Er. 05:41:49 That's Ctrl. 05:42:22 ^ for Ctrl is not very understandable for a lot of players. 05:43:08 Yes, I suppose. 05:43:12 i was thinking of the unicode glyphs for shift here 05:43:27 but there might be restrictions that don't allow using such fancy stuff 05:43:30 Maybe there needs to be a layer between looking up the command letter and displaying it in the tutorial.. that would translate uppercase letters etc to "Shift-w" and "AltGr-2" :P 05:43:32 There is a certain logic behind simply saying just what you are now and putting it in the manual. 05:44:11 i too would not press shift-w when presented the prompt "press W" as new player 05:45:26 "Welcome to Crwawl tutorial! First, we learn to distinguish between uppercase and lowercase letters." 05:45:39 mmmmh 05:46:19 dcss sesame street 05:46:26 I'd really like to make the tiles tutorial controllable my mouse only, and then provide the console tutorial as a "keyboard shortcut" tutorial for tiles users. (Speaking of local tiles, with full(er) mouse support) 05:47:38 Keskitalo, the ideal solution to the above problem is maybe an animation in which fingers press shift and w 05:47:50 at the same time that 'press W' is displayed 05:47:56 it would be subtle and slick 05:48:11 The fingers must be white 05:48:20 well 05:48:33 alternatively, it could be the keys on the keyboard changing color to simulate lighting up 05:48:58 In that case, there must be an arrow coming from off-screen 05:49:03 It has to have a three-frame animation 05:49:30 Hopefully all of this is simulated as though on a Macintosh running OSX 1 05:50:01 um 05:50:27 another idea is a 'dummy prompt' with a blinking cursor to represent another user's input 05:50:38 and that prompt shows a capital W being typed 05:50:53 the implicit message being, "do what I do" 05:51:35 In this case, there should be a cursor first on a screen 05:51:41 Which is moved to the text box 05:54:56 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:40 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:05:22 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17:52 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:18:20 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:22:38 new Okawaru has interesting stuff with corpses: you need to micromanage what to sac and what to butcher; it's not just clean vs contam 06:23:57 not sure if that's good (need to make additional decisions: sac that red-difficulty corpse and waste permafood, or forfeit that piety boost), or bad (more messing with food) 06:23:58 it would be interesting for other blood gods to also have a distinction here 06:24:15 perhaps that would make los sacrifices less desirable too 06:24:49 but then again i also liked the food reform, better not trust me :) 06:25:29 I liked it too 06:27:55 kilobyte: i liked it. what is more interesting imo is that you used to have to sacrifice as much as possible, now you can just cut up the weak crap (or do something else with the corpse) 06:28:35 its pretty much a straight buff to oka, same piety (mostly) for fewer corpses 06:32:25 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:34 -!- DainHome has quit [Changing host] 06:44:57 <|amethyst> when a Chei worshipper steps from time on the orb run, the orb is supposed to vanish with them, right? 06:45:24 -!- QubeNub_ has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:45:43 in related spawning, while it is hilarious, I don't think step from time in wucad mu's wizlab is supposed to result in being completely surrounded by shadows 06:57:50 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:58:00 <|amethyst> what should step from time do there? 06:58:12 <|amethyst> stop the spawning? 06:58:36 probably 06:59:06 you know an ability is well-defined when: devs have no idea what it should do 06:59:39 ... 06:59:46 Step From Time just removes you 07:00:02 -!- Porost has quit [Client Quit] 07:00:08 ... and the orb is in your pack 07:00:18 <|amethyst> presumably, though, the spawning is because you are there 07:00:29 <|amethyst> otherwise the place would be full of shadow monks etc when you get there 07:00:35 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:00:36 Um 07:00:45 For the Orb it's because they're chasing you 07:00:48 Or whatever 07:00:58 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:01:14 Being alerted to the fact that the Orb has been stolen all the Lords of Pandemonium come 07:01:38 For Wucad Mu, it's because the animated statue possessing a fragment of Wucad Mu's spirit knows you're there 07:02:10 you're not there anymore 07:02:13 Yes 07:02:17 You cease to exist for a bit 07:02:26 Hmm 07:02:31 although, they can be looking for you, so both ways can be argued for 07:02:36 Yeah 07:02:42 I think it's more for the Orb run 07:02:53 For the thing with Wucad Mu, the statue could assume that you left 07:03:19 <|amethyst> The question I was asking about the orb run is basically: should there be an orb glow around where you were? 07:03:22 But for the Orb run, it's not like they're just going to stop 07:03:27 Oh, no 07:03:32 The Orb just isn't there any more 07:04:52 monster spawns: debatable, orb glow: no orb, duh 07:05:22 I don't think they'd know where you are 07:05:31 But time goes on even if you aren't there 07:05:33 Right 07:06:00 <|amethyst> hm... how does == with multi-valued functions work in Lua? 07:08:10 <|amethyst> oh, hm... just found a bug that may well never have been triggered in the history of Crawl 07:08:25 <|amethyst> and would be hard to notice even if it did (it's just a bad message) 07:09:07 <|amethyst> lm_timed.lua has: if you.pos() == marker:pos() and you.taking_stairs() then 07:09:15 <|amethyst> for the "vanishes just as you enter it!" message 07:09:21 <|amethyst> but that only compares the X coordinates 07:09:33 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:00 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:13:56 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 07:16:36 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:38 -!- archl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:24:57 -!- LoremIpsum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:41 03|amethyst * rb18f8f1235ac 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des: Don't surround the player stepping from time in Wucad's monkery. 07:33:48 03|amethyst * r73a3df2de082 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/lm_timed.lua: Avoid an unlikely incorrect message. 07:33:49 03|amethyst * r397c525d9efb 10/crawl-ref/source/areas.cc: Don't crash when stepping from time with the Orb. 07:34:47 Monkey 07:34:49 Nonkery 07:34:51 ... 07:38:06 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:33 <|amethyst> monkery dunkery doc 07:46:25 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:47:29 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:48:06 03|amethyst * r755c0b1ab957 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Let Jiyvites travel/explore next to slime walls. 07:51:40 don't forget ghost pirates! 07:51:50 <|amethyst> huh? 07:52:24 there's already Murray... 07:54:31 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:49 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 08:04:15 -!- QubeNub_ has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:06:15 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:41 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:46 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:08:37 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 08:10:07 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:17 -!- localhost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:16 I think that "portal vanishes" message could happen also when you were _returning_ to the level the portal was on 08:29:07 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:30:14 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:14 -!- Ganrao| has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:55 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:32:36 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33:21 invisible rods (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5925) by ortoslon 08:36:51 -!- rkd2 has quit [Client Quit] 08:38:25 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:35 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:45:16 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 08:47:48 -!- Grildrak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:48:21 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:40 -!- Pingas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:06:57 galehar: rltiles/player/hand1/sword_seven.png 09:08:13 yesss 09:09:37 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:13:06 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:56 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:18:47 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:59 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:36:05 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:38:54 -!- SamB_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:39:20 "killed by" is missing from the death cause when killed by a wild magic card (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5926) by nagdon 09:40:59 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:41:00 -!- QubeNub has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:44:25 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45:11 -!- jato_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:31 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:46:50 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:51:21 -!- aleksil has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:53:45 I reported the step from time in wucad mu (#3463) 09:55:19 kilobyte: haha 09:56:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:58:01 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:57 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04:37 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:16:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:17 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:23:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:23:54 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:26:38 vitrification working on perma-rock is slightly annoying for sprint 10:26:46 -!- Guest00082 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:53 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:30:15 -!- Guest00082 has quit [Client Quit] 10:30:15 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 10:45:09 maybe it shouldn't 10:45:38 03Grunt * rcc2b11a65eb0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (hiscores.cc player-equip.cc): Prefix "something" death messages with "Killed by". 10:46:04 ...I guess I should have said "something"-type, not just "something". 10:46:30 Something'd by something 10:46:31 (As far as I know, you can't get "killed by something".) 10:47:00 what do you get if there's a bug 10:47:05 Killed by it? 10:47:22 killed by it(buggy) maybe 10:47:48 You can get "Nibbled to death by software bugs" in obtuse cases. :p 10:47:56 !lg * killer=~bug s=killer 10:48:02 71 games for * (killer=~bug): 48x a program bug, 8x ktulu8bugs' ghost, 8x BugbugX's ghost, 5x buggery's ghost, 2x it (buggy) 10:48:20 !lg * killer=it (buggy) 10:48:23 No games for * (killer=it (buggy)). 10:48:32 !lg * killer~~it.*buggy.* 10:48:34 2. heteroy the Poker (L3 MuCK), worshipper of Xom, blasted by it (buggy) (an exploding inner flame) in D:1 on 2012-05-30, with 81 points after 5423 turns and 0:03:14. 10:48:48 ah, inner flame 10:49:00 That bug's been fixed now, IIRC. 10:49:05 !lg * killer=program bug 10:49:06 48. Pyrusette the Eclecticist (L16 DSWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, blown up themselves on D:21 on 2010-07-26, with 117110 points after 50351 turns and 7:49:35. 10:49:17 !lg * killer=a program bug 10:49:18 48. Pyrusette the Eclecticist (L16 DSWz), worshipper of Sif Muna, blown up themselves on D:21 on 2010-07-26, with 117110 points after 50351 turns and 7:49:35. 10:49:29 !lg * vmsg=~software 10:49:33 No games for * (vmsg=~software). 10:49:37 ...good. :D 10:50:09 what case gives the nibbled message? 10:50:29 It happens iff an invalid ktyp gets set. 10:50:34 ah 10:52:54 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:17 -!- Deathmic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:40 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:12 03Grunt * r0f1f646bc8ca 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-other.cc: Add handling for "drop last item" (last_pickup) to Fulsome Distillation code. 11:07:33 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:08:07 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:10:08 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 11:10:47 Mercenaries should use Jewelery (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5927) by XuaXua 11:14:20 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:17:48 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:02 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2838-gcc2b11a (33) 11:30:51 -!- Gabriellk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:34:35 -!- Banzaitrooper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:40:00 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 11:42:50 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:57 -!- ac13_ is now known as ac13 11:45:38 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:45:46 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:59 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:55 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:29 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 11:54:58 -!- BanzaiTrooper has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:56:12 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:01:55 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 12:04:31 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 12:05:16 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:17 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 12:05:57 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:31 -!- renilgh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:36 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:54 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:25:37 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:28:16 hmm, the new imb tracer seems to be claiming line of fire is blocked sometimes, when it isn't 12:31:50 -!- Deathmic has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5928) by CommanderC 13:48:14 -!- Thorn__ has quit [Client Quit] 13:49:03 sad things are sad: there's always new ones. :( 13:54:36 Hmm, who else is around dev-wise? 13:55:19 Got a minor (on the surface) change I'm thinking about adding in and I'd love to hear what I could (or should) change before it actually goes in. 13:55:22 03|amethyst * r8934214bf5a6 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/small.des: Don't exclude walls in saegor_entry_miasma. 13:55:29 i heard |amethyst better be here 13:55:30 03|amethyst * r5926e43f639b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/lm_fog.lua: Fix a wrong parameter name in the fog_machine docs. 13:55:34 http://pastebin.com/FV8gxqvJ 13:56:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: hm 13:56:27 I can't remember who suggested the idea here first (possibly evilmike?) but it was not that hard to implement. 13:56:46 ...the statistics were the tricky part <_< 13:57:07 <|amethyst> Grunt: the problem I see is, what happens when someone updates the poison-tick code? 13:57:35 Well, this would need to be updated too. 13:57:56 The least I can do it put a note over in the poison tick code, I guess. >_> 14:00:26 <|amethyst> also, I'm not sure about the logic for the higher poison levels 14:00:39 <|amethyst> it looks like you're taking into account what happens over the next 100 turns 14:00:52 <|amethyst> but that doesn't matter if it can kill you in the first 10 14:02:17 <|amethyst> oh 14:02:20 <|amethyst> maybe I'm misreading 14:02:29 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:02:32 <|amethyst> are you calculating average or extreme case? 14:02:42 Right now it is the average case. 14:02:50 <|amethyst> hmm 14:02:57 There could be an argument made for "if this could kill the player in the extreme case, consider it harmful". 14:03:08 i'd definitely want to make that argument 14:03:11 killing the player seems pretty harmful :P 14:04:17 -!- Tally has quit [Quit: Some people spread happiness wherever they go. Some whenever they go.] 14:05:04 killing the player sounds pretty deadly 14:05:40 <|amethyst> as far as organisation goes, I'd like to see the magic numbers there and in dec_poison_player moved into one place and shared 14:06:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:27 <|amethyst> that way if someone does want to tune the formula they don't have to figure out that this "8" corresponds to that "17" 14:09:01 <|amethyst> Re 5915, I was considering "Your current mutations are irrevocably fixed, and only divine intervention can mutate you further." but that's way too long 14:10:03 "Your current mutations are irrevocably fixed short of divine intervention." 14:10:16 fixed, short 14:10:26 or " 14:10:35 or "fixed, barring divine intervention" 14:10:53 <|amethyst> hm, I think I prefer "barring" 14:11:46 <|amethyst> that's <80 chars in terminal, but with the brace, quotes, and indent is 81 in the source 14:12:13 -!- Keratin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:12:37 <|amethyst> I guess I'll break the string 14:13:06 <|amethyst> hm, actually 14:13:15 <|amethyst> that doesn't make clear that you won't get new mutations either 14:13:42 <|amethyst> "current set of mutations" would work, but then it's too long again 14:14:09 What about "You cannot mutate further, barring divine intervention"? 14:14:29 that leaves out that you can't cure mut 14:14:50 which i'm assuming is part of what "irrevocably fixed" means 14:15:01 "Your mutations are irrevocably fixed[...]"? 14:17:05 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:18:47 <|amethyst> "Only divine intervention can change your mutations." 14:19:08 You are immutable 14:19:13 (haha no) 14:19:14 mmh 14:19:23 do that for debug builds 14:19:42 <|amethyst> const player you; 14:19:54 :D 14:20:51 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:04 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:22:39 <|amethyst> eh, someone more decisive than I can make that change :P 14:22:53 What, irrevocably fixing the player? 14:22:53 <|amethyst> the message, that is... hopefully nobody makes you a const :) 14:22:56 I'll do that! 14:22:57 <____< 14:23:28 Sigmund passes you by reference! 14:23:52 You dereference an invalid pointer! Ouch! That really hurt! The game dies... 14:23:59 <|amethyst> volatile cloud_type gasoline; 14:24:13 diesel 14:24:31 <|amethyst> diesel's not that volatile though :( 14:24:52 Quite the opposite - they're hard to afflict. 14:24:55 const player diesel; 14:36:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:21 -!- zermkanbo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:43:54 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:01 -!- TNDRNSS has quit [Quit: ] 14:51:23 -!- tJener has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:57:04 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:59:02 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:59:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:07 -!- Yen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11:40 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:20:10 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20:53 -!- minqmay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:07 -!- smeea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:34 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:24:49 MF_HARD_RESET can destroy "real" items. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5929) by neil 15:26:14 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:27:27 -!- Thorn__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:36:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:41:40 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41:40 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41:40 -!- peril has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41:40 -!- Juwawa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:05 -!- spel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:05 -!- jeremie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:05 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:05 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:30 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:32 -!- faze has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:18 -!- domi has quit [Client Quit] 15:49:27 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:25 -!- mong has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:52:23 -!- dosman711 is now known as dosman711` 15:55:44 -!- faze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:42 -!- Leissi is now known as Leissi_ 16:01:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:51 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:59 -!- johnthebear has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:05:11 -!- renilgh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:05:33 -!- atrodo has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2-rdmsoft [XULRunner 12.0/20120420145725]] 16:20:09 -!- jeremie_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:20:27 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20:41 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:11 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:29:20 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:50 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:02 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:34:08 -!- Deathmic has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 16:36:41 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:38:32 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 16:42:52 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:43:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:43 -!- Serfuzz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:13 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:46 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:56:58 -!- Mouroux has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:04:33 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:06:05 -!- mikolove has quit [Client Quit] 17:11:57 -!- jeremie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:12:35 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [] 17:12:44 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14:11 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:39 in addition to runed doors, we need runed statues 17:36:48 since they're hacked into a bunch of vaults 17:36:54 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:57 runed walls 17:37:00 runed floors 17:37:00 <|amethyst> I think both should probably still be implemented in Lua 17:37:02 runed corpses 17:37:11 hah 17:37:11 <|amethyst> I don't know that a new feature type is needed 17:37:31 now that we got rid of secret doors can we add secret walls? 17:37:38 =p 17:38:17 well, really, they're just a normal statue with that lua tag attached 17:38:28 so it doesn't have to be put into every single vault 17:42:12 are 100% of secret doors gone now? 17:42:20 just... turned into normal doors? 17:43:03 <|amethyst> Wensley: only the random ones right now 17:43:17 <|amethyst> Wensley: they're completely removed in a branch 17:43:21 <|amethyst> %git glasnost 17:43:21 kilobyte * r9b1000a185fe: Let magic mapping detect stuff behind secret doors. (2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 49-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/9b1000a185fe 17:43:50 okay 17:46:00 -!- Leissi_ has quit [Quit: The average person spends thirty years of their life asleep. Lying in an unconscious catatonic state.] 17:50:42 i sure enjoy this fire giant ambush geh7 17:50:48 I've had it 4 times in a row now 17:51:02 oh woops wrong channel haha 17:52:11 -!- Pthing has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:46 -!- Kyrris has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:56 -!- heyar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:58:31 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 18:01:12 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 18:01:28 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 18:02:22 -!- Visu has quit [Client Quit] 18:03:45 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:04:19 -!- Oddtwang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:40 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:10:31 -!- Silenzio has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:40 -!- minqmay is now known as Blade- 18:11:46 -!- Blade- is now known as minqmay 18:12:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:20 -!- pointsofdata has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:19:06 -!- HangedMan is now known as GreatOrbOfEyes 18:19:24 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:49 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:29 -!- nooodl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:34 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:31:40 -!- syraine has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0a2/20120710042008]] 18:38:24 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:39:08 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42:29 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:46 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:04:09 Grunt: greying out the poison status when it's harmless was indeed suggested by evilmike 19:04:55 this looks helpful, but as |amethyst, I think it needs to share code, or at least enums with the poisoning code 19:05:18 and be more careful about dying players 19:05:59 this function could also be used for resting/travelling and other delayed actions 19:06:38 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Doomseeker End Of Line] 19:09:09 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:44 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 19:24:48 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:18 -!- Dole_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:45:23 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:36 -!- Pushpabon has quit [Quit: zzz] 20:00:01 -!- Mouroux has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:04:29 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:05:08 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:22:20 hmm, it looks like the ice storm tracer thinks that iood blocks it 20:24:27 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:26:54 -!- PollyEsther has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:33 -!- TNDRNSS has quit [Quit: ] 20:28:36 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:56 MarvinPA: I'd be inclined to suspect the same is true of other tracers, it's just that you never notice because most of them don't explode 20:32:10 Is it true of Fireball as well? 20:32:19 I would bet that it is. 20:32:23 probably as of all the recent tracer changes, yeah 20:32:40 The *tracers* didn't change, AFAIK; the *targetters* did. 20:32:52 right, yeah 20:33:06 i've also been having issues where the imb targeter claims it's blocked by a wall 20:33:06 I still have a problem with that targeting 20:33:10 when it's very definitely not 20:33:23 I think it would be much better if the *s were just . 20:33:24 It's probably getting confused by the explosion tracers. 20:33:25 i'll see if i can find a consistent repro case for that 20:33:59 -!- Sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:34:14 Yeah, it must be a new bug 20:34:28 Just tested it in Light, which hasn't merged recent tracer stuff yet 20:35:08 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:39:35 -!- Xagon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:42:42 -!- ddee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:46:42 -!- ajikeshi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:46:51 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:52:43 -!- freefall has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:00 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:32 I know that the new targetters don't work 100% right; the problem is figuring out exactly how they should behave under obscure conditions. 21:01:48 (If you don't know how they're 100% right, it's hard to get them up to that status.) 21:03:39 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 21:07:51 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13:43 -!- spel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:13:45 it'd be best to agree what AF_ levels mean then, 21:14:11 s/,/./ (or //) 21:14:25 my intent was as follows: 21:14:44 AF_YES means you will affect the place for sure as long as you hit 21:15:23 AF_MAYBE means you might affect it, either on a hit or a miss 21:16:08 AF_TRACER is when it can't possibly be affected, even though you're aiming that way 21:16:42 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:02 I guess the current implementation is inconsistent, and I'm not sure the design intent is good, too 21:17:11 <|amethyst> kilobyte: what should be AF_YES if you aim past a monster with IMB? 21:18:15 <|amethyst> I mean, what about the line between the monster and the aimed spot? You will affect it if you hit it, but you will probably not hit it because of the monster 21:18:59 AF_TRACER according to the initial design 21:19:06 er, no 21:19:32 AF_MAYBE, since that's a miss 21:19:49 <|amethyst> ah, hit or miss of whatever's first, not the aimed spot 21:20:22 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about the beam up to that spot being AF_TRACER though 21:20:47 yeah, the idea was that for regular non-exploding non-piercing beams, everything up to the first known monster is AF_YES, the line behind it AF_MAYBE 21:21:18 <|amethyst> and AF_TRACER used for the path of exploding beams? 21:22:43 probably; it's inconsistent with non-exploding beams though 21:23:11 -!- Alleycat86 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120710123126]] 21:23:46 <|amethyst> yeah, but other than that I can't think of a reason you'd want AF_TRACER 21:25:47 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:27:10 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:34 the path after always-hit beams, the path behind a wall, etc 21:30:21 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:35:34 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:09 -!- Ashenden has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:22 -!- maahes_ is now known as maahes 21:46:50 -!- BurningLed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:52:19 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53:06 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:31 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:05 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:53 atrodo (L21 FeFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 22:01:25 atrodo (L21 FeFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 22:03:16 atrodo (L21 FeFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 22:03:58 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:40 atrodo (L21 FeFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 22:05:31 |amethyst: I like your fix for the wucad mu wizlab. Didn't know you could check for step from time that way. I was having (basically) the same problem in my sprint map 22:05:54 atrodo (L21 FeFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 22:06:22 atrodo (L21 FeFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 22:06:26 evilmike, I feel as though I was going to bother you about something vault-related, but I can't remember what. 22:06:54 heh 22:07:10 I was also working on having the Pois indicator gray out if it's effectively harmless earlier, though the implementation has a long way to go. 22:07:20 ah, cool 22:07:31 make sure it includes deep dwarf damage shaving 22:07:34 It does. 22:09:44 Maybe you were going to ask me about one of the vaults you still have on mantis? 22:10:00 for vaults, it's too late to add new ones in 0.11, but safe edits to existing ones are fine 22:10:15 I don't even remember what I have on mantis other than the trap vaults, which I'm not really keen to work on further at this point in time anyway. 22:10:49 I guess there's the set of tweaks/fixups/polishing I made to kilobyte's Xom exploding sheep altar, but I'd really like to hear from him on the matter before anything else happens with that. 22:11:23 Xom approves. 22:11:28 Grunt: you forgot about the entire tomb redesign you posted? :P 22:11:28 :) 22:11:34 evilmike: apparently. XD 22:11:44 (I only glanced at it, didn't review it carefully) 22:11:48 (I'm looking at the Mantis list now and was just thinking, "how did I forget about that?") 22:12:02 speaking of those tomb maps, I don't really like the tomb:1 you posted. The others look better, although I didn't do anything beyond a superficial wizmode test 22:12:27 the tomb:3 seems a bit easier than the current one, since there's a longer path before the nasty mummies reach you 22:13:15 I partly did up that Tomb:3 layout because I don't like the idea of "the entire challenge of the level happens within striking distance of the stairs". 22:13:23 atrodo (L21 FeFE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 22:13:30 heh 22:13:33 I think I was looking for more of a sustained battle throughout the layout. 22:13:43 that itself is a decent idea 22:14:14 The implementation, on the other hand, doesn't necessarily achieve that - it needs more feedback from people that have actually played Tomb more than I have. 22:14:18 the start definitely seems easier though, and there are also a lot of nice corners to duck behind (this makes tormenting enemies so much easier) 22:15:12 your tomb:2 looks alright to me, the tomb:3 isn't bad either 22:15:38 my problem with the tomb:1 is simply that there are too many long, boring corridors 22:15:47 note that the current tomb:1 in crawl has this problem (at least for the second phase) 22:15:57 (So it's true to the original, then. <_____<) 22:16:46 part 2 of tomb:1 is the easiest part of the branch... quite skippable too, although it's worth doing for XP 22:23:10 the funny thing about tomb is it was probably designed by someone who didn't play that part of the game much 22:23:32 I recall reading something about how linley henzell never (or hardly ever?) beat crawl 22:24:05 I don't have any definitive proof of this, but I do suspect he was responsbile for the layout, yes. 22:25:58 -!- jato_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:31:42 -!- TGWi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:33:32 grunt's tomb:3 also looks very safe to tele around, and quite easy to ninja because of the corners and this 22:34:10 overall it seems much much easier in all ways 22:37:49 yeah, it should try to have the same difficulty as the original 22:38:02 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:55 this won't help the issue with corners, but I'd probably give the greater mummies (at least around the rune) patrolling. This would stop them from wandering off to one side, while you run around and take the other path 22:40:12 -!- Rofaner has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45:00 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:45:24 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: = A quit message comes into view. The razor-sharp quit message cuts you in half! It explodes!] 22:47:33 -!- archl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:49:42 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * raff68b947572 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: In ZotDef, don't let monsters wander (and crash) while off-level. 22:49:52 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * rd8a145c765c9 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-movetarget.cc: Give the coords in wizmode ZotDef pathfind failures. 22:52:13 03kilobyte * rf6125e52083d 10/crawl-ref/source/food.cc: Give god-forbidden corpses the last priority for auto-butchery and auto-drop. 22:52:13 03kilobyte * r25caa0c88187 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc: Make Fannar's ring preidentified. 22:52:13 03kilobyte * r1c7225fb7bd8 10/crawl-ref/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Do a compile check for the presence of fdatasync(). 22:52:13 03kilobyte * r7df606d3021c 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: In ZotDef, don't let monsters wander (and crash) while off-level. 22:52:19 03kilobyte * r7d03a805a14f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-movetarget.cc: Give the coords in wizmode ZotDef pathfind failures. 22:52:55 -!- imantor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:55:03 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10.3-13-gaff68b9 (32) 23:01:14 -!- rkd2 has quit [] 23:05:50 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:49 -!- strange_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:09:25 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2841-g5926e43 23:11:07 -!- Rewans has quit [] 23:12:47 -!- KaminaSquirtle has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17:01 -!- TGWi1 is now known as TGWi 23:19:36 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 23:21:10 -!- ddee has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:17 -!- ddee is now known as _dd 23:23:02 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:02 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:25:16 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 23:26:18 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:54 -!- eeviac has quit [Client Quit] 23:28:10 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:00 -!- eeviac has quit [Client Quit] 23:29:20 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:39 -!- kats has quit [Quit: Whoever gives his labor for money sells himself and puts himself in the rank of slaves. - Cicero] 23:34:32 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:54 -!- Lost_Number has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:52:30 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: nipaa~]