00:00:04 Anyway. 00:00:07 -!- Grunt has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:01:47 <|amethyst> Thann: I think either the same menu as currently (with an "unknown items" entry under each class), or under the unknown screen 00:02:38 ok i will start off by doing this in the unknown menu because it will be easier to implement 00:02:57 <|amethyst> ok 00:03:05 <|amethyst> but 00:03:31 <|amethyst> I think there still needs to be some way to say what happens to items of unknown subtype 00:03:49 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2493-g0963f1a (33) 00:03:56 <|amethyst> setting it per-subtype only helps *after* you have identified the subtype 00:05:06 well i was planning on inserting new entries called "autopickup default" under each subtype 00:05:58 -!- Patashu[Zzz] is now known as Patashu 00:06:30 <|amethyst> which would change what? 00:06:35 <|amethyst> you.autopickups? 00:06:39 yeah 00:06:53 <|amethyst> I'm not so sure about that 00:07:04 <|amethyst> because that would behave very differently from everything else in the menu 00:07:15 so make a seperate menu then? 00:07:37 <|amethyst> in that you.autopickups is overridden by autopickup_exceptions 00:08:16 <|amethyst> well 00:08:30 <|amethyst> I don't know if we need a menu for changing you.autopickups 00:08:46 so we should clone you.autopickups and put it above ap_exceptions 00:09:08 <|amethyst> then you'd have to save/restore it too 00:10:42 <|amethyst> I'd prefer my suggestion from Mantis: have the new entry (that you are calling "autopickup default") set you.force_autopickup[base_type][get_max_subtype(base_type)] 00:11:10 <|amethyst> then use that value when deciding whether to pick up an object of unknown subtype 00:11:42 <|amethyst> that way you don't need to add any new data structures or save/restore 00:12:17 ok 00:12:56 <|amethyst> then, for example, "?" would toggle everything under "scrolls": all the known ones, as well as the "unknown" or "autopickup default" entry 00:13:08 <|amethyst> and there isn't yet another layer added 00:13:33 yeah i didnt want to add another layer 00:14:45 <|amethyst> Perhaps selecting the "unknown" or "default" entries should, in addition to setting force_autopickup for get_max_subtype(base_type), also set it for all the currently-unknown subtypes 00:15:06 <|amethyst> that way it won't appear to change after the objects are identified 00:15:26 <|amethyst> OTOH, that could lead to undesired overrides for bad items 00:15:37 -!- chukamok has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]] 00:15:43 <|amethyst> so maybe just get_max_subtype() after all 00:19:45 we will see what wonderful bugs show up 00:20:22 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2493-g0963f1a 00:29:28 Nomi: nice buggily placed items 00:30:00 Nomi: i just happened to spectate you. you should go to that corner, the way the items were together makes me think it's a bad vault 00:31:51 evilmike: guide me, please 00:32:19 what were the coords, something like 65,50? 00:32:35 just explore the whole level and look at the lower right-ish area of the map 00:33:21 hah 00:33:30 this doesn't look like a new one 00:34:22 could you submit a bug report with your save file? Maybe someone can figure this out 00:34:29 okay 00:35:28 i just backed it up 00:38:38 do i login to mantis with my cao account? 00:38:55 <|amethyst> just include the URL 00:39:06 <|amethyst> only devs can access the save 00:41:22 what's the current version of cao trunk? 00:41:54 you can find it by pressing ?V in game 00:43:22 Buggily placed items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5841) by Nomi 00:45:08 -!- Thann has quit [Quit: brb in an hour] 01:07:17 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:12:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:12:27 <|amethyst> okay, http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ now translates IRC colours in the "View log" and "Search" results 01:13:01 <|amethyst> Not for the individual log URLs or the search "Download results", because those are intended to be sent unmodified 01:19:38 any reason why the background is black? 01:19:59 <|amethyst> to match my terminal :) 01:20:10 <|amethyst> mostly so that "yellow" shows up 01:23:21 <|amethyst> there 01:23:45 <|amethyst> I made yellow #a0a000 and brown #606000 so it should be visible-ish on a white background 01:34:22 03evilmike * rc19d3de8ba7a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/grunt_nemelex_the_gamble.des: Nemelex altar vault. (Grunt) 01:34:23 03evilmike * rc5b07cddbb5a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des: Three altar vaults. (BurningLed) 01:45:28 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 01:49:23 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:04:28 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:14 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:19 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [*.net *.split] 02:06:20 -!- wh1te has quit [*.net *.split] 02:06:20 -!- SamB has quit [*.net *.split] 02:09:42 -!- wh1te has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:55 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:17 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:32 how do you create normal/ravenous mimics in wizmode? i only get inepts 02:32:32 absolutego: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:32:37 !messages 02:32:38 (1/1) HangedMan said (13h 1m 16s ago): how do you actually embed youtube videos into sb posts? does "youtube -> share -> embed -> use old embed code -> delete everything outside the embed tags" actually work when you take it out of post/thread preview? 02:34:39 !tell hangedman (re: youtube embedding) i've never done it! axe about it on the ask? 02:34:40 absolutego: OK, I'll let hangedman know. 02:34:55 absolutego: it's dungeon level based. you'll have to go to a specific floor 02:35:10 thanks 02:35:35 well, specific range of floors 02:35:46 i'll experiment, no worries 02:37:56 what size are mimics? 02:38:16 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:46 "Make a database to store hints mode messages." <3 02:55:16 if I can't get full grammar done for 0.11 and thus regular messages will stay untranslated, hints/tutorial are the best part to concentrate on in the little time that's left 02:55:16 Nice patches from sgrunt too! 02:55:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:55:24 I especially appreciate bears berserking more :> 02:55:44 kilobyte: I really should work on the KiSS stuff then.. 02:56:17 too bad KiSS didn't / we didn't specify them to submit incremental patches 04:11:56 -!- omnirizon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:56 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:15 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 04:40:36 -!- Adeon has quit [Quit: kthxbye] 04:42:22 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: something happened] 04:44:08 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:37 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:43 -!- neunon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:10 -!- Adeon has quit [Quit: kthxbye] 05:00:03 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2495-gc5b07cd 05:10:45 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:43 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:25:06 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:56 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:25 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 05:42:14 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:43:59 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:53 -!- headzone has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:14 -!- headzone has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:51:06 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:15 -!- Bluering has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:57 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:14 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes is now known as HangedMan 07:21:34 -!- aleksil has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:36 I seem unable to find the barnacled rune in my current trunk game on CDO. Used a scroll of magic mapping to make sure I've missed no secret doors or isolated islands, no luck. 07:27:20 Ctrl-f doesn't show the rune, but it does give a bunch of "Oh dear. There appears to be a bug in the program." warnings. Not sure if they're related, though. 07:28:12 save and reload usually fixes ctrl-f problems on my end 07:29:11 My current save is at http://crawl.develz.org/saves/dumps/aleksiL-0963f1a-120627-1228.tar.bz2 if someone wishes to take a look at it. 07:30:05 HangedMan, saving and reloading doesn't seem to work for me. 07:30:47 aleksil: leave a message on https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5822 if it's appropriate 07:31:06 (i can't tell if it's appropriate because i only spectated you for a short bit) 07:34:03 absolutego, I do get the error messages consistently, no idea if the missing rune is related. 07:34:28 you checked all the piles, right? 07:37:01 I think so, yeah. There's one autoexplore couldn't reach from my current location, I'll double check that one. 07:41:06 go to the topmost stairs, walk one right, dig down 07:41:21 no way to go there without digging or cTele 07:41:49 and obviously, this needs a bug report 07:43:44 Okay, found it. Thanks. 07:44:04 that "Oh dear" is unrelated 07:46:23 it showed up on ctrl+f, so i thought it might have something to do with it 07:46:27 thanks for clearing it up 07:46:47 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:55:29 03kilobyte * r6a1cb1e8ac42 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/descript/hints.txt hints.cc): Convert hint messages for religious conversion and for dissection reminders. 07:55:32 03kilobyte * rd10a5bcc5e4a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dbg-util.cc dbg-util.h directn.cc): Make an error message less spammy and more informative. 07:55:32 03kilobyte * r136f655c352b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (directn.cc stash.cc): Axe axe traps in the stash tracker as well. 08:00:45 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:02:21 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:22 Barnacled rune inaccessible without digging. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5842) by aleksil 08:51:57 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:07 git add --interactive helps <3 09:04:49 * Grunt ponders the context for that comment... 09:08:17 Except that I failed to use it properly when editing a diff chunk.. 09:08:52 Grunt: I'm trying to bring some of the latest usability project's tutorial changes to master, problem being it's one big diff that I only want parts of. 09:10:02 ...aha. :) 09:11:13 So, what I did was commit the patch on top of master, the git reset HEAD^ (without --hard, so I get the changes, but they're uncommitted/unadded) and then I can git add --interactive (filename) to selectively apply the diff chunks, and even edit them. 09:11:42 And looks like it did work after all.. the edited changes were added, but the unedited changes still existed on top of that, if that makes sense. 09:11:56 It does. 09:11:57 So I committed, and did git checkout -- filename and all is well. 09:17:12 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:20:57 -!- Patashu is now known as Patashu[Zzz] 09:21:49 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:55 -!- Bluering has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 09:57:39 simm the Infernalist (L19 DEFE) ERROR in 'stairs.cc' at line 503: upstairs from top of a branch (D) 10:05:59 this git add --interactive command is really nice. Is there other similar ways to interactively select chunks? 10:06:48 Keskitalo: you could have git reset HEAD --hard after commit instead of git checkout 10:08:09 <|amethyst> vim's vimdiff mode lets you do :diffget and :diffput 10:10:00 you use it with git rebase, right? 10:11:55 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:12 03Keskitalo * r1240bdecee59 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/tutorial/tutorial_lesson1.des: Selective changes to tutorial lesson 1 from this year's usability project (KiSS team). Includes my own edits to their changes. 10:12:37 galehar: I had changes to other files I wanted to keep 10:13:27 galehar: I don't know if there are other methods, but I sure was happy to find out about it :) 10:13:57 oops, actually, I used git add --patch 10:14:49 Got to run, hope I have time to do the rest this week. 10:15:00 yeah, it's important to learn to use git properly. Discovering git rebase -i changed my life ;) 10:18:02 I agree with galehar. 10:18:06 In both respects. :) 10:36:10 whats a good way to get something you wrote up to date? 10:36:34 I like to maintain my changesets as branches, in which case you can just git pull to keep them up to date. 10:36:40 my edits to add direction and distance to sound messages touch lots of files, so it might be annoying to get up to date 10:37:16 is it better to just stash, or to commit to a branch, then rebase that? 10:38:07 <|amethyst> I prefer the latter because it's harder to lose your work 10:38:36 <|amethyst> it's easy to delete you stash with no confirmation... of course you can get it back as long as you don't gc, but it's a pain 10:39:29 hmka 10:39:30 y 10:40:29 galehar: id be interested in getting sustained casting into crawl, but i am not super awesome at coding so i dont know if i can do it. 10:40:31 <|amethyst> I do all of my work in a branch (usually the same branch "nfm-fixes", but a separate branch for more complicated things). When I want to push (or just get up-to-date) I rebase from master, often taking the opportunity to reword commit messages etc 10:41:22 galehar: any estimate of how difficult it would be? 10:41:29 <|amethyst> if I have something I'm working on that won't be finished quickly, I rebase regularly so there's less to catch up on and fewer conflicts at a time 10:42:20 <|amethyst> e.g. I'm working on constriction changes for galehar, and rebase that branch essentially every time I see new commits in-channel, or at least once a day 10:43:43 (The changes constrict you!!) 10:49:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:53:46 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2499-g1240bde (33) 11:06:07 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:54 -!- Pingas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:13:16 Bows (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5843) by dd 11:23:42 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:26:48 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:53:08 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:40 * Grunt finishes putting together the aptly named grunt_deathspiral. 12:13:19 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:18 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:56 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:59 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:58 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:05 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:26 A stair vault and two trap minivaults (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5844) by sgrunt 13:43:22 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:36 Ooh, a lovely deathly spiral. 13:43:51 I hope that it lives up to its name in more than one sense. >:) 13:59:43 ??trunk 13:59:43 trunk[1/6]: The latest (unreleased) development code of Stone Soup is often referred to as trunk. 14:03:47 The automatic updates are daily, correct? 14:05:02 <|amethyst> yes, though CAO and CDO update at different times 14:10:07 <|amethyst> Mod times when chei's been off-channel, see: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/crawl-dev.log.concat?s=unstable%20branch%20on%20crawl.%2aupdated%20to%3a&re=1 14:11:36 Oh, nice! 14:12:10 Keskitalo: are you currently editing tutorial files? 14:14:07 Yeah, I mean to carry the good bits from tutorial_kiss branch to master during this week. 14:15:18 Damn, cao has the tutorial changes, but not an option to play tutorial :] 14:16:14 I wanted to move all tutorial messages to the database, but that can be done either before or after your changes 14:16:31 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:17:20 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:19:22 That is an <3 change. I think it should be easier for me to do my changes first. 14:20:32 03kilobyte * rc9a2cdb1379a 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Move a special case to its right place. 14:20:32 03kilobyte * re9b324beba2d 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Staves can't be evoked, so don't hint so. 14:20:33 03kilobyte * r1ef2f88ea8e8 10/crawl-ref/source/util/gather_features: Don't recognize an error message as a valid feature name. 14:20:33 03kilobyte * reaceeb94d8b0 10/crawl-ref/source/hints.cc: Write item symbols in hints as $item[amulet] 14:20:33 03kilobyte * r220f4c71f4fb 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.cc: and tags. 14:21:37 I posted a thread to tavern (Contributions board) for testing & comments on tutorial, hope there's some interest 14:22:05 03kilobyte * r1f1c3bc6350d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/hints.txt: Fix %cmd[] -> $cmd[]. 14:22:09 I hope some folks could be whipped into translating the stuff. 14:23:17 but I like reaching staffs 14:26:00 ...actually, I can't tell, which commit fixed reaching staves 14:27:24 kilobyte: Tutorial (and hints mode) make sense as first priority targets for translation. I intend to work on translating the tutorial to Finnish, so I can rope my nephew into playing Crawl. 14:27:33 * kilobyte thwaps HangedMan with a staff ego:reaching 14:28:07 clearly quarterstaves are long enough to reach with 14:28:23 Keskitalo: I wonder, what if I converted one of tutorials to the format I'm thinking of so you can check if it looks convenient for you? 14:28:29 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:03 kilobyte: Fifth lesson would be good, KiSS made no changes to that. 14:29:07 No conflict there. 14:29:18 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:48 I have a feeling tagged text might be easier to edit 14:33:08 HangedMan: If you use it as a club... 14:46:34 volcano_entry_4 requires usage of consumables to escape (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5845) by Lightli 14:53:39 This can happen through entry via a potion of levitation without a spare to leave .... why on earth would you do that and expect to not use other consumables after 14:54:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:58 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:35 ChrisOelmueller: I just commented on the item that you can tell that you can't walk away if you cross the lava with levitation, so it's not a problem in that sense. 14:57:09 probably should have no_rtele_into for accidental "no consumables left" scenarios, though 14:58:29 yup 14:58:38 I guess I should do that :) 15:02:57 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:13 03Keskitalo * ra709146db9ea 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des: Use no_rtele_to in enter_volcano_4. Addresses #5845. 15:58:13 03Keskitalo * r9f588d51ee31 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des: Actually make enter_volcano_4 to have a clear path through the lava sometimes (rarely). 15:58:14 03Keskitalo * r63ecf2ed5d1f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des: Remove the index of maps in the big comment header of volcano.des. 16:01:27 * Grunt reads "[...]after seeing sgrunts awesome vaults" in a Mantis note o_O 16:14:11 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:24 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:20 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:42:19 <|amethyst> how about a stair vault in D that spawns extra nasties on the orb run? 16:42:42 <|amethyst> is that too evil? 16:43:38 |amethyst, I was considering designing an orb chamber that did that. 16:43:42 huge spoiler 16:43:55 considering the delay and what would be needed to matter on the orb run 16:43:56 <|amethyst> spoiler? 16:44:03 the vault 16:44:04 how about a stair vault in D that spawns extra stair mimics on the orb run? 16:44:55 <|amethyst> hm... I guess I wasn't considering escape hatches 16:45:10 The escape hatch is a mimic! The ravenous escape hatch mimic constricts you! 16:45:11 <|amethyst> It would have to be encompass 16:45:23 <|amethyst> the idea being that you couldn't avoid it 16:45:26 very obvious huge spoiler 16:47:09 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:47:27 even an encompass vault wouldn't be enough. You'd need to make it out of stone/metal too, or people would dig paths, nethack style 16:47:40 <|amethyst> hmm 16:47:55 spawning extra stair mimics is also bad... you'd know the real stairs from your first trip down the dungeon 16:48:22 yes, no kidding 16:48:47 i'm not even sure what this vault would be trying to achieve 16:48:52 or how it would improve anything 16:49:10 a vault with any behavior that should surprise the user some time after discovering it adds a spoiler element to it 16:49:28 ChrisOelmueller: yeah, it's probably not a good way to make the orb run more interesting 16:50:00 <|amethyst> this is why I'm not a designer :) 16:50:36 there are trap vaults kind of like that, but most of them have a boring appearance, so you usually cant identify them without magic mapping 16:50:44 or they use pressure plates 16:52:29 a couple break that rule, but they try to be foreboding - such as loot inside an obvious vault, but mysteriously unguarded by enemies 16:53:06 * Grunt put together a couple of that kind of vault recently. <_< 16:54:14 (And then there's deathspiral, but that's a completely different category of vault.) 16:57:06 that first one should use gas traps, I think 17:01:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:35 The second one should have an item_move triggerer, since item_pickup alone means it can be defeated with apportation 17:03:00 d:5 also seems like it's too shallow 17:05:18 for the gas traps, you should be able to do it by placing the traps in cloud_traps.des as subvaults. Just make sure you get the depths right 17:24:01 Was there ever a goodmike? 17:30:41 -!- Patashu[Zzz] is now known as Patashu 17:32:28 nah. in the past I was, at best, neutral 17:37:16 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:14 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42:14 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:44:05 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:58:08 -!- rast_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:43 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:00:45 -!- rast_ is now known as rast 18:15:25 -!- Nomi has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:28 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:29 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:43 -!- stabwound has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:27:09 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:29:54 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:33:33 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 18:33:35 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:34:11 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:08 -!- aleksil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:44 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:51 Non-reaching weapons can be evoked for reaching attacks (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5846) by sgrunt 18:51:21 no, don't ruin the fun 18:51:35 wow, when did that bug happen? 18:51:54 Grunt: :( 18:52:31 Grunt: thank you for reporting/fixing these things, instead of remaining silent like certain Bad People 18:52:44 I thought I might have introduced it with a fix of mine, but I didn't come anywhere near touching the code where this problem originates from in said fix. 18:53:39 clearly it was introduced as part of why you could evoke staves in the tutorial 18:54:29 i request to become evilchris and replace evilmike since apparently his evilness has deceased 18:55:26 it depends on what kind of evil from what side, those recent evilvaults are pretty good examples of such vaults 18:56:35 -!- clouded_ has quit [] 18:56:43 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:57:23 %git 1c27e005 18:57:23 kilobyte * r1c27e005856c: Give all polearms reach. (10 months ago, 9 files, 64+ 72-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/1c27e005856c 18:57:29 That's when this bug was introduced. 18:57:38 I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed this long. 18:57:45 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:35 no... that would mean the bug is in 0.10 18:58:39 and it's not 18:59:23 attempting to reach with a non-polearm will give you "This item cannot be evoked!" in 0.10 19:01:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:01:36 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:02:46 well 19:02:55 REACH_NONE is still zero, right? 19:03:28 yeah 19:03:43 I guess it was at the time. 19:03:43 no, why would it be? 19:03:44 So then... 19:03:59 the only functional change is that first one 19:04:12 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:15 03kilobyte * rc2af7258da88 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/tutorial/tutorial_lesson1.des: Make tutorial1 use a numbered namespace, to allow using tutorial_msg() for 19:04:16 targetter_reach hitfunc(&you, weapon_reach(wpn)); 19:04:25 replacing REACH_TWO 19:04:25 03kilobyte * rda10036aca9f 10/crawl-ref/source/util/db_lint: Fix a false positive in db_lint when a message is coloured at both ends. 19:04:26 03kilobyte * r0c8e6fc58f79 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Put tutorial messages for tutorial 5 into the database. 19:04:32 Aha. 19:04:40 %git 403d3f9b 19:04:41 kilobyte * r403d3f9bb497: Don't use two misleading schemes for reach ranges. (2 days ago, 8 files, 12+ 29-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/403d3f9bb497 19:05:04 i guess that part of _reaching_weapon_attack isn't checking that it can 19:05:26 huh 19:05:37 i could swear i *just* looked at head to verify that 19:05:51 press V, it lists your weapon 19:06:36 then yeah, REACH_NONE not being zero means that Grunt's fixes are correct 19:08:09 unless the intent is to allow evoking nonreach weapons to hit adjacent enemies 19:08:24 thus being evokable without actually being reach 19:10:22 fr: ultra-reaching items with more than two tiles' reach <_< 19:10:31 well yes, polearms of reaching 19:10:46 go code them and make sigmund scary again 19:10:50 -!- stabwound has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:10:58 I could see super-reaching being on an unrand, perhaps 19:11:04 I think this has been discussed before 19:12:03 03kilobyte * ra7102461fab3 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/tutorial/tutorial_lesson5.des: Fix tutorial end not working. 19:12:03 03kilobyte * re4d1e0a57321 10/crawl-ref/source/ (evoke.cc invent.cc): Fix all weapons having reaching. 19:12:34 ancient greek pikes, 6m long 19:17:10 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:18:36 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:21:17 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:10 03kilobyte * r3582eaaeda20 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/ (des/tutorial/tutorial_lesson5.des dlua/tutorial.lua): Reenable the tutorial 5 intro. 19:32:17 the -1,+9 Hoplite's Pike {pierce, EV-2} 19:32:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:33:42 Grunt: :) 19:33:58 The EV-2 is, of course, because it's hard to move around with a 6m pike in your hand. 19:34:08 I guess I could justify a Dex penalty for the same reason >____> 19:34:55 are there any named spears in ancient greek myth? I can't think of any 19:35:10 I'm not particularly up to speed on Greek mythology. 19:36:27 I can think of a lot of legendary objects, none of them have names though 19:40:21 evilmike: achilles had a named spear iirc, trying to find the name atm 19:41:06 evilmike: http://www.mythologydictionary.com/pelian-spear-mythology.html 19:41:47 should it give random weakness on generation 19:42:33 the -1,+9 Pelian Spear {pierce, Regen, EV-2, Dex-1, Stlth--} 19:45:02 -!- Vandal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:19 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:21 ...except you can't actually get Regen from a weapon :( 19:48:29 ...perhaps HP+10 instead or something <_< 19:49:20 if clarity is made a weapon property just for autumn katana I think it wouldn't be too bad to make regen one too 19:50:27 -!- eeviac_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120601175215]] 19:51:27 it's not like swapping in regen is impossible at the moment, or like one fixedart that has regen would trash the game balance entirely 19:51:39 but a +9 vorpal spear with regen and two-reaching sounds a tad too promising to me 19:51:58 heh 20:01:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:10 -!- Thurman has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:15 Any Eclipse for windows users in here? 20:19:30 e - the -1,+9 Pelian Spear (weapon) {pierce, HP+10 EV-2 Dex-1 Stlth--} 20:24:37 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:34:23 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 20:40:09 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:59:21 -!- HangedMan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:42 -!- omnirizon has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:55 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:16:19 -!- omnirizon has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:12 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:04 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:03 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:23:06 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 21:23:30 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:53 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:25:54 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:36 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:42 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 21:27:44 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:33:38 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:39 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:44 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:39:10 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:37 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:14 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:44 -!- ChrisOelmueller has left ##crawl-dev 22:02:06 -!- hangedman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:09:19 -!- CIA-50 has quit [] 22:14:31 -!- CIA-50 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:15 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:34 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:28 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:16 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:42 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:31:42 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 22:41:10 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:38 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:07 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:23 -!- Nomi has quit [*.net *.split] 23:04:24 -!- Dixie has quit [*.net *.split] 23:04:24 -!- galehar has quit [*.net *.split] 23:04:26 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 23:06:41 |amethyst, I rage at the typo in your "lighting" rod branch name >:| 23:07:03 s/your/the/ 23:07:11 Why did I think you were the person developing this? 23:07:21 I must need to go to sleep :p 23:08:36 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:55 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2514-g3582eaa 23:09:52 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:52 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 23:09:56 -!- Nomi has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:56 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:11 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:47 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:18 -!- Nomi has quit [*.net *.split] 23:22:18 -!- galehar has quit [*.net *.split] 23:26:29 -!- Nomi has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:16 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:15 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:26 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:00 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:10 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:31 -!- galehar_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:58 -!- galehar has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:52:10 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:04 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:55:05 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 23:59:00 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 23:59:48 -!- Grunt has quit [Quit: leaving]