00:00:11 <st_> monster LRD sounds like a hard thing to get working
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00:00:21 <Eronarn> wait
00:00:25 <Eronarn> what about leda's
00:00:27 <evilmike> it would be pretty cool if it was made to work though
00:00:33 <Eronarn> (and actually fix leda's to not be stupid)
00:00:35 <evilmike> leda's is already implemented as a monster spell but it has bugs
00:00:37 <Eronarn> ogre = no fumbling
00:01:14 <evilmike> the main problem is if you kill the monster while leda's is up, the effect lingers in a weird way
00:01:32 <Eronarn> evilmike: i'd say the main problem is it inexplicably causing slow :P
00:02:51 <Eronarn> hmm... what about mixing the necromancer + the earth elementalist?
00:03:01 <evilmike> Eronarn: for the player it causes "SlowM"
00:03:18 <Eronarn> that discussed 'zombie arms' spell, instead of leda's; twisted res; stoneskin other
00:04:21 <Eronarn> maybe make it skeleton arms, and give them a skeleton spell instead. 'ogre bone shaman'
00:04:55 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2244-g0626be4 (33)
00:05:24 <st_> if the arm thing causes constriction we kind of have enough of that
00:05:39 <st_> skeletons+lrd would be amusing however
00:05:56 <ChrisOelmueller> oh can mimic constriction finally be made damageless please
00:06:32 <Eronarn> st_: i think there is a niche for a few more non-damaging constriction effects. this is a pretty flavorful one, and it'd be at range, which we don't have much of yet
00:09:45 <evilmike> i think non-damaging constriction would be alright, yeah
00:10:00 <evilmike> give it to mimics, maybe ball pythons, maybe a new monster
00:10:13 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r495e8dd1f300 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des: Enable Fannar.
00:10:13 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r8918910c3909 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc: Fix Fannar's equipment.
00:10:39 <ChrisOelmueller> i like ball pythons at the moment though
00:10:42 <Eronarn> evilmike: maybe we could make small constrictors just able to reduce movement, but not damage you
00:10:53 <Eronarn> they wrap around your legs
00:11:05 <Eronarn> this would fit with zombie/skeleton arms sticking out of the ground, too...
00:24:09 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r18f9c81768de 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Fix Curse Weapon (#5767).
00:26:55 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2247-g18f9c81
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03:22:22 <Cheibriados> Tiles: Hammers + misc. artifacts (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5769) by dd
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04:53:43 <Cheibriados> Falchions (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5770) by dd
05:00:05 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2247-g18f9c81
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05:26:53 <Henzell> Nomi the Master Archer (L27 HEGl) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Zig:5)
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05:27:23 <kilobyte> !lm Nomi type=crash -log
05:27:24 <Sequell> 2. Nomi, XL27 HEGl, T:144805 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Nomi/crash-Nomi-20120613-102652.txt
05:29:14 <kilobyte> hrm, why exactly do we allow declining to upgrade to fixed versions, again?
05:29:48 <Nomi> kilobyte: i don't know, but i always thought crawl needed a "redo" button
05:30:16 <Nomi> wish i had the source code of the "staff of bugginess" version
05:33:29 <kilobyte> any past version is in git
05:34:27 <Nomi> nice, thanks
05:35:43 <kilobyte> I didn't investigate the cause, though, so the problematic staff might be turned into something else
05:36:36 <kilobyte> I mean, the cause is no more, but thanks to a rewrite not a fix
05:37:13 <kilobyte> was that a particular staff you need?
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05:42:08 <Nomi> kilobyte: well, staff of "redo something on melee" is a terrific item
05:42:39 <Nomi> actually, i had one of those in another game, i died to the unability to land a hit with it, among another things
05:42:43 <Nomi> it was funny
05:44:27 <kilobyte> ... and that's why fixing on-demand crashes is important :)
05:47:14 <Nomi> :[
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06:15:52 <galehar> kilobyte: +1 to forced upgrades. I really don't see the point in allowing players to decline.
06:24:18 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r9955ddd93e01 10/crawl-ref/source/tileview.cc: Don't use hardcoded tile counts for Snake floors.
06:24:18 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * rea1a655a300a 10/crawl-ref/source/command.cc: Fix card names not being capitalized in the desc browser.
06:24:19 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r0b8b1df93b96 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Suffix db keys for spells with " spell".
06:24:19 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * rb46f1c8a39ec 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Show full spell data in the post-mortem inventory browser.
06:24:19 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r6a84b31c7757 10/crawl-ref/source/command.cc: Fix ?/c showing non-cards.
06:24:19 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * rfe907a14e96f 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Show quotes in spell descriptions.
06:24:19 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r73cad5b97245 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des: Place prince Ribbit away from his groupies.
06:24:20 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * rc4bd1ea0d056 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Make newlines in spell descriptions more consistent.
06:28:11 <Henzell> johnnyzero the Fetichist (L15 DEAr) ERROR: range check error (51 / 50) (D:15)
06:29:19 <kilobyte> !lm johnnyzero type=crash -log
06:29:20 <Sequell> 5. johnnyzero, XL15 DEAr, T:36382 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20120613-112809.txt
06:34:08 <Henzell> johnnyzero the Fetichist (L15 DEAr) ERROR: range check error (51 / 50) (D:15)
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08:26:25 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r1cc1d826f256 10/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc: Don't welcome AKs "back" to the dungeon the first time.
08:30:54 <kilobyte> that autopickup thingy crashes when you see a sacred scourge or a trishula
08:31:30 <kilobyte> there's a hard-coded array of size 50, while NUM_WEAPONS is 53
08:32:20 <|amethyst> MAX_SUBTYPES should be at least 53 then, shouldn't it?
08:34:14 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r0de12441e82e 10/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc: Don't welcome AKs "back" to the dungeon the first time.
08:34:18 <kilobyte> interesting, there's a number of compile checks that NUM_xxx is <= MAX_SUBTYPES, but not for NUM_WEAPONS
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08:46:01 <blackflare> hey if anyone is bored theres a typo in the most current trunk :B eveningstar description : "allowing it to cause invidious wounds" should be incidious?
08:46:09 <blackflare> er
08:46:12 <blackflare> insidious
08:46:17 <blackflare> that was a typo :v
08:46:33 <|amethyst> 3. Likely to or intended to incur or produce ill will, or to
08:46:33 <|amethyst> provoke envy or resentment; hateful; offensive; as,
08:46:33 <|amethyst> invidious distinctions.
08:46:46 <blackflare> ...seriously thats a word? I had no idea
08:46:50 <ghallberg> incendiary
08:47:03 <Eronarn> inveterate
08:47:08 <blackflare> oh hi ero
08:47:13 <Eronarn> sup bf
08:47:24 <blackflare> im testing out the ranged ammo changes
08:47:30 <blackflare> its kinda sucky lategame
08:48:21 <blackflare> I don't think I could keep firing my bow without okawaru gifts
08:48:40 <Eronarn> imo make it work like tome
08:48:47 <Eronarn> ammo management is much more fun there
08:49:08 <Eronarn> (unlimited normal arrows, some magic ones)
08:49:39 <blackflare> ah, that sounds more fun, although im not sure how youd justify it
08:49:51 <ghallberg> blackflare: magic.
08:51:42 <kilobyte> A Wizard Did It -- except, it's a mundane non-magical arrow and a mundane non-magical bow
08:52:01 <ghallberg> everyone has a quiver of plenty
08:52:13 <blackflare> :D
08:52:25 <ghallberg> The dungeon floor is made of arrows.
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08:53:21 <ghallberg> Or just say that you implicitly make sure you have enough arrows, since all archers carry them around (centaurs, goblins etc)
08:54:23 <blackflare> like the tiny knife for carving
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08:56:02 <ghallberg> yeah
08:58:29 <kilobyte> a knife is something you can tuck into a pocket, an infinite amount of arrows, not really
08:58:59 <Grunt> Clearly you've never heard of pockets of holding.
08:59:00 <Grunt> <____<
08:59:10 <kilobyte> it's like the gold pouch or underwear: an implicit item that is always there and so doesn't need to be shown in the inventory
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08:59:27 <blackflare> maybe underwear should be an equip slot
08:59:29 <kilobyte> (unless you're a felid, octopode, or a streaker :p)
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09:08:14 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r468c7cae3a5d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/ (simple.des small.des): Seven entry vaults. (Saegor)
09:08:22 <Grunt> Ooh, more entry vaults
09:08:23 <Grunt> .
09:09:36 <evilmike> found them when searching for old vaults on mantis. there's a couple more like that but they are more complicated
09:09:54 <ghallberg> I'm gonna try to make a little vault
09:09:58 <ghallberg> Something simple
09:10:05 <Grunt> todo: make some entry vaults of my own. :)
09:10:24 <evilmike> we have a ton of entry vaults, but they are a good way to start
09:10:25 <ghallberg> Entry vaults are just for D:1?
09:10:28 <evilmike> yeah
09:10:35 <Grunt> Or better, make some more vaults, full stop.
09:10:50 <ghallberg> I want to make some small vaults.
09:10:51 <evilmike> Grunt: if you're interested, one area i think would be good to look at is minivaults for the hells
09:10:55 <ghallberg> Just for atmosphere
09:11:09 <Grunt> Hm.
09:11:23 <Grunt> I'd need to have a certain level of familiarty with playing through Hell to be able to do that effectively <__<
09:11:36 <evilmike> in particular i'm thinking of vaults with stairs - hell is meant to be dived, so you want stairs in them. no loot though
09:12:46 <Grunt> Hm, I just had a one-off idea.
09:13:03 <evilmike> heh, yeah, its much easier to make things when you're familliar with the branch
09:13:58 <evilmike> generally can't go wrong just using 8, 9, 0 to place monsters, though
09:13:58 <Grunt> I do see what you mean about Hell seriously lacking vaults.
09:13:58 <ghallberg> If I make a vault do I just add it in the corresponding file at a place of my choosing?
09:14:05 <ghallberg> Or shoudl it go at the end or soomething?
09:14:19 <Grunt> evilmike, that sort of logic is probably why people fear your vaults so much. XD
09:14:35 <evilmike> yeah, if a minivault is elegible for both D and hell, it has a 10x more likely chance of appearing on a given level in hell vs D
09:14:38 <kilobyte> evilmike: actually, 8, 9 and 0 are quite broken in Hells currently :p
09:15:21 <kilobyte> evilmike: OODs are currently _weaker_ than regulars, because of an old bug that assumes no level can have absdepth bigger than 30
09:15:32 <evilmike> weaker eh? interesting
09:15:37 <kilobyte> on my TODO list to fix, though
09:16:00 <kilobyte> you don't really notice this, as a majority of monsters you meet in hell come from hell spawns, not from regular generation
09:16:37 <ghallberg> Where can I find the meaning of tags?
09:16:40 <evilmike> and the branch endings all define their own monsters
09:16:50 <evilmike> ghallberg: docs/develop/levels/syntax.des
09:16:54 <evilmike> i believe they are all documented
09:18:08 <ghallberg> Why aren't there more allow_dups in mini_feature?
09:18:48 <ghallberg> I don't understand "extra"
09:18:57 <Zaba> nobody does ;P
09:19:40 <kilobyte> "extra" means the vault generator should place another one
09:19:57 <ghallberg> Another vault, or another of the same vault?
09:20:03 <evilmike> another vault
09:20:16 <kilobyte> all cosmetic ones should generally have that, as otherwise non-cosmetic ones are drowned out
09:20:21 <ghallberg> There are a few vaults using luniq_mini, but without allow_dup.
09:20:35 <kilobyte> possibly the same if you have allow_dup
09:21:18 <kilobyte> ghallberg: if the tag after luniq_ is the same, this makes sense
09:21:25 <ghallberg> ah
09:21:40 <ghallberg> "luniq_BAR" is only relevant when used with "allow_dup"
09:21:46 <ghallberg> should be removed from docs then
09:22:08 <ghallberg> why are there so many luniq_minis?
09:22:11 <ghallberg> Seems boring.
09:22:11 <kilobyte> uhm, wrong
09:22:46 <kilobyte> luniq_BAR is relevant if and only if there are vaults with luniq_BAR that could also spawn there
09:23:17 <kilobyte> which can possibly mean other instances of the same vault if it has allow_dup
09:23:42 <ghallberg> Yeah, that line is wrong and shouldn't be in the docs?
09:24:04 <kilobyte> in other words: if there is only vault with luniq_BAR, the tag does nothing without allow_dup
09:24:14 <Zaba> that line sounds like it should say just 'luniq' instead
09:24:35 <ghallberg> Zaba: It's on luniq aswell
09:24:41 <Zaba> just 'luniq' makes no sense without allow_dup indeed
09:26:12 <kilobyte> there's no point in named luniq_ if only one vault has it
09:26:32 <ghallberg> Pretty much every vault in mini_feature seems to have luniq_mini
09:26:35 <evilmike> ghallberg: i'm not sure what luniq_mini was meant for. most cosmetic vaults have it, but a lot don't. some regular minivaults have it, but most don't (seems to be used for a lot of old ones)
09:26:55 <ghallberg> It seems boring that we only get one of them per level.
09:27:16 <kilobyte> ghallberg: ie, there is only one cosmetic vault, but it doesn't take the vault slot for the level
09:27:24 <kilobyte> so you get one cosmetic and one real one
09:27:41 <ghallberg> We don't have enough vaults to allow more vaults than 1/level?
09:28:07 <evilmike> plenty of levels have more than one
09:29:17 <ghallberg> I guess, but I think it would be reasonable to remove some of the linuq_mini tags, change them to luniq.
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09:34:02 <ghallberg> So, I made a little vault, how do I fore it to be placed on D:1 so I can look at it?
09:34:30 <|amethyst> PLACE: D:1
09:34:43 <kilobyte> force: not really.  I set WEIGHT to 9999999, and press &^R until the dummy doesn't get selected.
09:34:56 <kilobyte> |amethyst: won't entry vaults conflict with that?
09:34:59 <|amethyst> oh, right
09:35:06 <|amethyst> I usually use PLACE: D:2 myself
09:35:17 <evilmike> I name vaults I'm testing L and place them with &L :P
09:35:24 <evilmike> occasionally I'll use P and &P
09:36:12 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r94282c3d5167 10/crawl-ref/source/ (defines.h itemname.cc player.h tags.cc): Fix crashes when seeing scourges or trishulas.
09:36:21 <Grunt> Wow, that's a lovely crash.
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09:41:38 <ghallberg> Yay it worked.
09:41:42 <ghallberg> I made a little vault.
09:41:44 <ghallberg> Go me.
09:41:51 <evilmike> hooray
09:42:24 <ghallberg> Just a bunch of statues and a fountain.
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09:52:17 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r97ca0b22f462 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (branches/lair.des variable/mini_features.des): Tag some cosmetic vaults with "extra".
10:07:32 <galehar> how about changing the armour evasion penalty to make it equal to the strength requirement, and rename it "rigidity" or "encumbrance" or something else?
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10:09:18 <evilmike> rigidity would be better, since encumberance might be interpreted as being a weight thing
10:09:30 <evilmike> (as in, inventory weight)
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10:12:38 <evilmike> maybe not, though. I think I like the sound of "encumberance" out of all the suggestions posted
10:13:47 <galehar> as a bonus, we could differentiate a bit all the -3 EVP dragon armour by tweaking the penalty
10:14:33 <evilmike> that would help get around the problem of all the armours having a str requirement that is a multiple of 3
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10:17:43 <evilmike> i could imagine ice dragon armour being slightly heavier than fire dragon (9 ac vs 8). on the other hand, it gives a less valuable resist than fda, and making it heavier won't help it
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10:18:14 <evilmike> this is completely anecdotal, but ice dragon armour seems to me like one of the less used dragon armours, outside cocytus
10:22:12 <CIA-50> 03galehar * rf20ff8e91eea 10/crawl-ref/source/stash.cc: Autoexplore visit items that can be sacrificed.
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10:24:26 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2259-g97ca0b2 (33)
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10:44:51 <CIA-50> 03MarvinPA 07vehumet * rf2ed529e6b31 10/crawl-ref/source/ (godconduct.cc mon-stuff.cc religion.cc): Make Vehumet accept demon and holy kills, don't accept ally kills
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12:17:54 <kilobyte> galehar: looks like e59807da (stuff never being glowing) is a pretty bad change
12:19:28 <kilobyte> any non-branded items are mostly useless now if their base type alone doesn't make them wanted
12:20:44 <kilobyte> it's too tedious to check everything looking for that +3 leather or +3 dagger
12:27:53 <kilobyte> I'd revert it -- or perhaps, make "glowing" show enchantments and "runed" brands
12:28:22 <kilobyte> obviously, a good part of orcish stuff being marked made little sense
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12:55:59 <elliptic> kilobyte: that change is part of what motivated me to remove detect curse -- to make it unfeasible to test everything like that
12:56:19 <elliptic> or at least less feasible
12:57:10 <kilobyte> detect curse was on the chopping block for ages
12:57:12 <elliptic> there's a lot of remove curse but not *that* much
12:57:13 <elliptic> yes
12:57:36 <kilobyte> but the no glowing change suddenly made no detect curse have less sense
12:57:42 <elliptic> huh?
12:58:36 <kilobyte> we can just as well not generate any basic items anymore, and have monsters always have +0 or branded
12:59:17 <kilobyte> because without a clue what could be enchanted, you'd need to test everything
12:59:25 <elliptic> you needed to test everything anyway
12:59:28 <elliptic> I don't see your point
12:59:44 <kilobyte> everything glowing/runed
12:59:49 <MarvinPA> everything could always be enchanted
12:59:57 <elliptic> you could have non-glowing stuff that was +2 or whatever
13:00:03 <kilobyte> sure, you did not find everything enchanted, but you had a much smaller pool of what to test
13:00:42 <elliptic> personally I don't care much one way or the other about e59807da
13:00:45 <kilobyte> and the stated reason, "to show people monsters with dangerous weapon", applies to enchanted stuff as well
13:01:00 <kilobyte> a +8 dagger >>>>> a vorpal dagger
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14:23:07 <Cheibriados> Infoleak in autopickup ? (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5771) by ldierk
14:29:11 <Nomi> i have an idea to make staff of bugginess non-broken
14:29:24 <Nomi> make it a one-use item
14:29:29 <Nomi> that disintegrates on hit
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14:30:19 <Nomi> it teleports you to the closest upstairs, then, if any monster is in los, it teleports them away, then, you take 5-10% permanent hp damage
14:30:20 <Zannick> is it an item intentionally in the game?
14:30:35 <Zannick> usually the "of bugginess" means no
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14:31:22 <Nomi> i guess it was a result of the rod recoloring
14:35:23 <evilmike> yeah it wasn't a real item
14:37:07 <Nomi> well, that's sad
14:37:55 <Nomi> it's almost a staff of borg, for chars without necro/tso
14:38:21 <evilmike> you'll just have to wait until the next crash on demand bug
14:38:23 <evilmike> they crop up from time to time
14:39:21 <Nomi> why were QUAD DAMAGES removed?
14:39:29 <evilmike> they weren't
14:39:38 <Nomi> can you still acquire them?
14:39:48 <Zannick> isn't that specific to one sprint?
14:39:58 <Nomi> oh, there's one in sprint 3 iirc
14:40:02 <evilmike> yes, it's an item in sprint_mu
14:40:12 <dtsund> YOU HIT THE RAT BUT DO NO DAMAGE.
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15:50:01 <Grunt> Hm...
15:50:21 <Grunt> How are the versions of Crawl associated with Gretell's (trunk) monster database and FightClub updated?
15:51:43 <BlastHardcheese> not very frequently
15:52:29 <Grunt> That's more of a 'when' than a 'how'. :p
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16:06:03 <edlothiol> Grunt: the monster source is at http://git.develz.org/?p=monster.git;a=summary
16:07:00 <edlothiol> it includes some files from the crawl source when it's compiled
16:07:24 <Grunt> I see.
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16:07:33 <Grunt> How often is that built against trunk?
16:07:59 <edlothiol> I think it's done by hand
16:08:07 <galehar> kilobyte: the monster part was only half of what motivated the chance. I also think it's good to have less glowing stuff to test. You're more often looking for a brand than for a +2
16:08:29 <edlothiol> so "not very frequently" fits ;)
16:08:31 <galehar> s/chance/change/
16:08:50 <|amethyst> what about glowing for branded or +4 and up?  (or +5 and up)
16:09:23 <edlothiol> Grunt: looks like the last update was june 4th
16:09:26 <galehar> |amethyst: yeah, that could work too
16:10:57 <galehar> I found it mostly annoying when looking for ego armour. You test tens of them and they are almost all +1 or +2
16:44:18 <ghallberg> I've been copmlaining about that for ages.
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17:16:50 <galehar> I'm leaving tomorrow morning for a few days. I'll be back monday.
17:17:23 <kilobyte> ghallberg: orcish stuff almost always has a plus (coinflip for -1 acc, and another coinflip for +1 dam)
17:18:10 <galehar> which is why glowing thrash used to be so common in Orc
17:18:23 <galehar> trash
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17:45:42 <st_> so my DS got demonic guardian at XL19, and didn't get the second level (won at XL23). This seems pretty bad
17:46:10 <st_> especially when you've gone okawaru 10 xls ago
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17:47:01 <st_> I really hate the mutation as is. It's not fun to play with at all
17:47:51 <st_> it's like the main reason I don't play DS
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17:51:43 * Grunt goes back to tinkering with the Enchanted Forest.
17:52:59 <Zannick> getting demonic guardian 1 at xl19 seems a little late
17:55:20 <CIA-50> 03galehar 07vehumet * rd5ade8a6ad85 10/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc: Add a missing MSG_OK
17:55:26 <kilobyte> the solution for ignite blood and Fedhas is pretty hard to explain, too
17:55:31 <CIA-50> 03galehar 07vehumet * r6865f4a90973 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abl-show.cc religion.cc religion.h): Memorising a Vehumet spell takes a turn.
17:55:31 <CIA-50> 03galehar 07vehumet * r402149d943ca 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abl-show.cc main.cc religion.cc religion.h): Some simplification.
17:55:55 <HangedMan> any projected dates for 0.11 feature freeze?
17:56:18 <kilobyte> the god helping you aim and not hurt plants is one thing, magically making plants immune to clouds of fire is another
17:57:21 <Cheibriados> no autopickup for clean chunks (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5772) by ortoslon
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17:58:10 * Grunt wields a runned battleaxe. It glows with a cold blue light!
17:58:14 * Grunt hits trunk.  trunk is frozen!
17:58:16 <Grunt> <_<
17:59:11 <galehar> trunk has rC++
17:59:40 <HangedMan> funny, I was expecting a fannar reference
18:01:09 <Zannick> Trunk shudders with the release of magical energies!
18:01:09 <Grunt> Fannar drains the heat from the surrounding environment!  trunk resists.
18:01:17 <Grunt> Trunk feels odd for a moment.
18:01:32 <Zannick> Trunk grows another branch!
18:01:32 <ZChris13> who tried to mutate trunk
18:01:47 <Grunt> trunk evaporates and reforms as NetHack!
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18:04:11 <galehar> how about this for weighting Veh spell level gifts: 2 - spell_level + stepdown(gifts,3)
18:04:20 <galehar> makes first gift level 1
18:05:07 <galehar> gifts is the number of gifted spells. question is should it include the ones you refused?
18:05:13 <galehar> (currently it doesn't)
18:06:55 <alefury> id base it on piety
18:07:08 <alefury> or at least include refused gifts
18:07:36 <alefury> people might switch to veh, making them accept and forget a bunch of low level spells is dumb
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18:48:04 <Cheibriados> Clean meat causes sickness when nauseated. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5773) by Kyrris
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19:42:25 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r662d5724bd23 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/wpnnoise.txt: Fix a section of Singing Sword text not being used (dpeg).
19:42:35 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r30f2164f7e22 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (entry/twisted.des variable/cathedral_bats.des): Replace n_rpl with n_adj for some vault monsters.
19:42:35 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r59e4fa96f5f1 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Changelog for 0.10.3
19:42:35 <CIA-50> 03MarvinPA 07stone_soup-0.10 * r6efaba8a8f4e 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Don't let Famine cards feed you if you're already near-starved
19:42:35 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r6c3473f796a1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc package.cc package.h): Do the whole of X[] save handling as one transaction.
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20:38:39 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2261-gad1d6ef (33)
20:42:08 <Nomi> where can i see uniques in the source code?
20:42:58 <kilobyte> Nomi: which part about them?
20:43:41 <Nomi> their base stats and spells
20:44:36 <Eronarn> base stats are in mon-data.h
20:44:49 <Eronarn> spells, you have to look up which book they use in mon-data.h, then look up that book
20:45:26 <Nomi> oh, thanks
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20:55:24 <elliptic> so does anyone know what is up with chunk autopickup getting broken?
20:55:38 <elliptic> this seems to mysteriously happen partway through games
20:55:59 <elliptic> and it is really annoying...
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21:47:33 <Grunt> Hey evilmike, care to see my semi-crazy vault idea of the moment? (It was a discussion earlier with you that inspired this.)
21:47:38 <Grunt> http://pastebin.com/LCHNh0f0
21:48:09 <Grunt> (shamelessly reuses part of an older design of mine, but that's mainly to showcase the concept >_>)
21:48:17 <evilmike> haha, nice
21:48:38 <evilmike> i like it when helpless innocent monsters are burned...
21:48:42 <Grunt> >:)
21:48:59 <Grunt> It's Hell. You expect to see poor hapless victims burnt to a crisp, particularly in Gehenna.
21:49:37 <Grunt> (todo: make a minivault or two of this nature with high frequency)
21:49:42 <due> with glass?!
21:49:44 <due> needs glass
21:49:57 <Grunt> Do translucent stone walls count?
21:50:10 <evilmike> "glass" just means translucent rock/stone/permarock
21:50:21 <Grunt> Then yes, there is glass.
21:50:33 <evilmike> Grunt: kiku, trog, and yred all have early altar vaults which involve victims dying horribly. I imagine you could use this burning thing for makhleb
21:50:41 <evilmike> altar vaults are fairly common, too
21:51:01 <Grunt> That would be easy enough to do. Heh heh heh.
21:51:49 <evilmike> I'm not sure how much "dying in a fire" fits with makhleb's theme, but I think he fits best for that
21:51:59 <evilmike> (vehumet says "let it end in hellfire", but he's not an evil god)
21:57:35 <Eronarn> (why does vehu say that)
21:57:45 <evilmike> Grunt: make sure you define a tile for those stone walls
21:57:51 <Eronarn> there was at least an excuse for it when he was a summ god, in that you could maybe get hellions, but now...
21:58:04 <evilmike> usually if you give a custom colour to something in a vault, it is good to give a custom tile as well. not always possible to do both, but in this case its easy
21:58:48 <|amethyst> "let it end in fire storm or ice storm, depending on your preference" isn't really as catchy
22:00:03 <Grunt> evilmike, good point.
22:00:46 <evilmike> also, i'm not a big fan of using secret doors, and making the main hint be a custom colour. The problem with this is everythign looks the same on the 'X' map, in console
22:01:17 <Eronarn> |amethyst: 'let it end in annihilatio-' oh wait
22:01:41 <evilmike> this isn't as big an issue in hell (who autoexplores in hell?!) but it still might lead to awkward situations
22:01:51 <Grunt> ...I swear I did not intend for that to be a secret door <_<
22:02:36 <elliptic> speaking of autoexplore in hell, currently you can get statdrained to 0 by a hell effect without it interrupting autoexplore
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22:23:07 <Grunt> grunt_makhleb_burn_the_innocent
22:23:17 <Grunt> I swear, working on this sort of thing makes me feel evil. :p
22:28:08 <Grunt> 
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22:36:55 <Grunt> evilmike, here is the aforementioned Makhleb vault: http://pastebin.com/Cz0e7HcE
22:37:02 <Grunt> It actually works surprisingly well. :)
22:42:41 <evilmike> Grunt: heh, nice. the only thing is, the monster set should be toned down for the altar version
22:42:51 <Grunt> True.
22:47:33 <Grunt> evilmike, perhaps something like http://pastebin.com/y1DsgMBb
22:47:47 <Grunt> (possibly trim the spriggan too, but I think it is a low enough weight)
22:48:09 <evilmike> it ought to die really quickly too
22:48:22 <Grunt> It does.
22:50:53 <evilmike> you could use the same function for both the hell vault and the altar, all you'd need to do is add a 'if you.branch() == "Geh"'
22:52:11 <Grunt> That is the eventual idea, yes.
22:53:19 <Grunt> I'm probably going to put together a couple of minivaults with the same concept, mainly for Geh, but I could perhaps place a couple in deep D for hell portals.
22:55:55 <evilmike> sounds good. for the geh ones you probably don't need stairs in small flavour vaults, since those are about theme more than gameplay
22:56:29 <Grunt> They probably wouldn't have stairs; the vault you saw earlier would probably be the only one that will end up with them.
23:08:07 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2261-gad1d6ef
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23:28:43 <Henzell> mikee the Pyromancer (L27 OpWr) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Abyss)
23:30:13 <Grunt> Go go staff of bugginess!!!
23:42:18 <zz> =j #horticulture
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