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(https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5653) by nicolae 03:41:15 what to do? Invent a new display mode? Show (unknown)? Just id the brand? 03:41:17 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:18 IDing pluses doesn't require wielding the weapon? 03:43:54 IDing via the weapon skill does (even if you don't need to be wielding at the time your skill increases), IDing via Throwing does not, like before 03:45:25 ah, so this is just a problem with quivered weapons? I'd say just ID the brand too 03:46:06 ok, should be simplest 03:48:02 another auto-id issue: I made it so stackable ammunition (darts, arrows, ...) auto-IDs on sight if you have seen the same plus/brand combination before (ie, if you can keep one of them in the inventory/stash to see if it stacks). This still doesn't handle missiles with only brand known. 03:48:56 so there's still an incentive to keep samples of dispersal/etc 03:49:26 I still think eliminating the plusses on ammo is probably a good idea 03:50:18 brand-identifying a new stack takes only a single throw, though, so could just as well have all ammo brands be known, like it's the case with silver/steel/poison 03:50:31 and yeah, removing plusses is an option too 03:51:27 making all ammo brands known sounds reasonable to me 03:55:20 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:09:44 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 04:24:38 -!- chris-oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 04:41:29 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: Want to be different? 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(Shoals:5) 12:16:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40:44 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:33 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:50 -!- Heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:56:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 12:57:07 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:15 |amethyst * 67487916dfbe (1 changed): Be more consistent in death descriptions. 13:19:33 -!- gnsh has quit [] 13:28:39 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:58 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:43:17 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:48 elliptic * ba39a949ebdf (2 changed): Revert "Report the old place in br.enter milestones." 13:46:48 elliptic * 8c510f52cc4b (1 changed): Revert "Fix br.enter milestone having incorrect place." 13:49:40 -!- araganzar has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:06 heyaz, is napkin or webstiles admin back from vacay? 13:50:20 we just had a crash with 18 people watching the start of a zig level 27 :/ 13:51:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:54:48 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:40 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:33 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:52 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:35:00 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:10 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:20 -!- ais523 has quit [Changing host] 14:58:20 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:21 <|amethyst> btw, has anyone heard from doy recently? I see that he's been playing again recently, but didn't want to bug him about Ashenzari there 15:09:39 <|amethyst> especially since we've never been introduced 15:11:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:11 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:26:08 hmm, the thing on CDO that polls Gitorious looking for commits is still down 15:26:51 Napkin: busy/stressed? If so, I can pull/merge and update by hand again. 15:27:14 oh? 15:27:24 i didn't know 15:27:28 let's see 15:27:31 ... 15:27:37 our fault :p 15:28:10 uhh.. down since april 30th, huh? 15:28:14 that will be spammy now 15:32:02 hmm.. did CDO get blocked by gitorious? 15:32:53 no idea, I added a remote "gs" (gitorious) in ~/source/crawl-git/, and it works 15:32:53 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:06 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:18 -!- ais523 has quit [Changing host] 15:33:18 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:19 good 15:33:30 kilobyte * 731214f4614f (1 changed): Clean up nemelex_altar_shiori a bit. 15:34:26 -!- Voxxik has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 15:34:39 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:52 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:07 -!- ais523 has quit [Client Quit] 15:35:21 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:58 git fsck is taking ages... 15:38:26 cptwinky (L27 NaMo) ASSERT(branch >= 0 && branch < NUM_BRANCHES) in 'branch.cc' at line 50 failed. (Hell) 15:39:09 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:02 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:22 cptwinky (L27 NaMo) ASSERT(branch >= 0 && branch < NUM_BRANCHES) in 'branch.cc' at line 50 failed. (Hell) 15:43:08 Eli the Thaumaturge (L17 FeIE) (Elf:5) 15:50:52 03galehar * radd4da45e5d4 10/crawl-ref/source/util/ (ini2txt.pl txt2ini.pl): Update options and comments of conversion scripts. 15:50:53 03galehar * r8c845503a211 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (15 files): Wrap all descriptions at 76 columns. 15:50:53 03galehar * rdb83a2cf4295 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (13 files in 5 dirs): Update and wrap all translations. 15:50:54 03galehar * re78b01537800 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Update animal skin description. 15:50:54 03galehar * r20bf42b9c92d 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Update the options used to generate translation and description files. 15:50:54 03galehar * r85393e6d7228 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Make build-ini a dependency of tx-config. 15:50:54 03galehar * r326088d85515 10/crawl-ref/source/util/ (ini2txt.pl txt2ini.pl): ini conversion scripts: skip files not found. 15:50:56 03galehar * rebbc1688d273 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: A new makefile target to synchronise with transifex. 15:50:56 03galehar * r41ab3e316358 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Some formatting fixes to monster descriptions. 15:50:56 03MarvinPA * r659c08067b74 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player-stats.cc player.cc): Give full protection from stat loss under vitalisation, instead of one level of sustab 15:50:57 03MarvinPA * rc99431a24b5e 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Note Jiyva's piety-based conservation on the religion screen 15:50:59 03MarvinPA * r503c9c2ad4a6 10/crawl-ref/source/output.cc: Fix rRot being incorrectly displayed on the % screen under Zin 15:50:59 03dolorous * ra85cdc730ae0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc player-equip.cc): Revert "Generalize spirit shield check for slow healing 3, not just deep dwarves." 15:50:59 03dolorous * rd9df8807197d 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Add comment indicating why spirit shield blocking is deep dwarf-specific. 15:50:59 03|amethyst * re80093e61c9d 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-speak.cc: Fix visual speech. 15:50:59 03galehar * rd094d7e0935a 10/crawl-ref/source/util/ini2txt.pl: Some more minor fixes to ini2txt. 15:51:15 03galehar * r7e63c58960b6 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (el/backgrounds.txt pl/backgrounds.txt): Minor fixes to translated files. 15:51:15 03dolorous * r9474c05ac21a 10/crawl-ref/source/ng-restr.cc: Add missing blank line. 15:51:15 03kilobyte * r89d1f2d8a9c4 10/crawl-ref/source/place-info.cc: Drop an overzealous assertion for portal levels. 15:51:15 03kilobyte * r481cec114877 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/unrand.txt: Descriptions for unrands that missed one. 15:51:15 03kilobyte * r0a767502e8bb 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des: Restore Sonja's and Urug's hatred for the Lair. 15:51:15 03dolorous * r7a7214cd91d1 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/unrand.txt: Tweak wording. 15:51:16 03elliptic * r8ea060bcdf97 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des: Remove Snorg from a Lair entry vault. 15:51:16 03kilobyte * r1e46d1adeaa5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des: Drop one last use of item_pickup_change_flags. 15:51:22 03kilobyte * r34683ef6a07b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (hiscores.cc mon-stuff.cc): Use "themself" not "themselves" for singular uses. 15:51:22 03|amethyst * r633946a5e208 10/crawl-ref/source/hiscores.cc: Open morgues for funny characters with funny characters. 15:51:22 03|amethyst * r3c92c23fcf36 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des: Remove the zot5_orb subvault. 15:51:22 03galehar * racfdbf2d9da3 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (es/items.txt quotes.txt unrand.txt): Transifex sync. 15:51:22 03kilobyte * r0bb7c10f3848 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tileweb.cc tileweb.h): Let GCC validate webtiles printfs. 15:51:22 03kilobyte * rd59ef5114720 10/crawl-ref/source/tileweb.cc: Fix a webtiles crash if a message contains "%". 15:51:23 (47 lines omitted) 15:51:23 03kilobyte * r8c72708e4507 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Changelog: use the official name of Golubria's Roulette. 15:51:27 03kilobyte * re94e10caba2d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc dbg-scan.cc dbg-scan.h dungeon.cc enum.h): A set of assertions for invalid values of grd() and friends. 15:51:27 03kilobyte * rb2bfb71bf916 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Fix the depth of place:X not being heeded in vault set_random_mon_list()s. 15:51:27 03|amethyst * r09a9b8bc3006 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Treat teleport traps as unpassable. 15:51:27 03|amethyst * r7242852865a0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (stairs.cc stairs.h travel.cc): Unbreak ! on portal vault exits and escape hatches up. 15:51:27 03|amethyst * r2eae93891b86 10/crawl-ref/source/skill_menu.cc: Don't accept !experience on pressing a bad letter/number. 15:51:27 03kilobyte * ra9c41da81288 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop-enum.h: Correct an outdated comment. 15:51:39 03kilobyte * r9dea99200bd7 10/crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc: Don't DYWIPI the Abyss stress bot. 15:51:56 123 15:52:04 03kilobyte * red23ca7b92d9 10/crawl-ref/source/ (effects.cc godabil.cc stuff.cc stuff.h wiz-item.cc): Fix truncation of character codes in some cases. 15:52:04 03kilobyte * re70657799e11 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/dwarf.des: Sanitize the namespace of Dwarf lua. 15:52:04 03kilobyte * r756315f6c5eb 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Displace items when banishment copies some wall onto them. 15:52:04 03kilobyte * r7b5b062acb6b 10/crawl-ref/source/branch-data.h: Don't halo all floor in Dwarf. 15:52:04 03kilobyte * rd9e3655a0df1 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/dwarf.des: Place guaranteed Dwarf vaults via tags rather than relying on "extra". 15:52:05 (40 lines omitted) 15:52:55 <|amethyst> glad that it omitted those 40 lines and didn't flood the channel 15:53:17 hehe 15:53:40 wait, There's a Dwarf to go with Elf now? Or is that still in dev? 15:53:59 it's been in dev for a while 15:54:20 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 15:54:39 <|amethyst> (disabled commit notification in Chei, though new branch announcement is still in) 15:54:44 dire dwarves 15:55:14 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 15:56:16 dwarf demonologist 15:56:24 * kilobyte feels an urge to push the update button just to test if it works 15:56:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm 15:56:42 (Windows builds are not updated for 11 days, too) 15:57:15 * ussdefiant would appreicate that in the next 10 minutes before having to hop on the bus home :) 15:57:18 <|amethyst> kilobyte: how do KPROP etc interact with SUBST exactly? 15:58:02 ussdefiant: there's a bunch of vaults, but I feel like giving up bashing them to work nice, and pretty much rewriting the generation there 15:58:24 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:45 |amethyst: they're done in in a linear order, substituting/kpropping whatever is on the map structure at the moment 15:59:17 CIA! You're back! 15:59:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, okay 15:59:45 dtsund: yeah, all thanks to the King of the Naps 16:00:18 i'm sure the CIA never stopped watching this channel 16:00:48 cia was fine, cdo repo updates were broken afaik 16:00:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: this is different from kfeat/kmask etc, right? they apply to the final glyphs? 16:01:26 shouldn't, as far as I know 16:01:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:01:44 but you made me less confident there :p 16:01:47 gotta check... 16:05:42 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1730-g731214f (33) 16:05:51 i think the kmask didn't, from my testing of orb mimics 16:06:56 <|amethyst> my testing says kfeat applies to the final glyph 16:07:28 <|amethyst> but kprop applies to the current glyph 16:07:47 <|amethyst> and kmons/kitem/kmask would work the same way as kfeat 16:08:13 <|amethyst> kprop is implemented differently 16:08:38 -!- ais523 has left ##crawl-dev 16:09:25 <|amethyst> that is to say: KPROP: ' = bloody KFEAT: ' = rock_wall SUBST: ' = '. gives a random mix of wall and floor, but they're all bloody 16:10:05 <|amethyst> whereas putting the SUBST first gives a random mix, with only the walls bloody 16:10:25 I checked env.pgrid() on nemelex_altar_shiori, looks ok 16:10:52 <|amethyst> yeah, it should be fine... I was worried at first because I assumed kprop would work like kfeat 16:11:25 good to know kfeat doesn't 16:11:38 <|amethyst> it might be clearer to use KFEAT instead of SUBST 16:12:06 <|amethyst> and to document all this in syntax.txt or maybe advanced.txt 16:22:56 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1730-g731214f 16:26:39 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10.2-30-g61a2e04 (32) 16:30:08 -!- jato_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:45 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33:53 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:35 03|amethyst * raaba13189766 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt: Clarify the interactions of KPROP, KMASK, etc. 16:37:51 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:03 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:56:20 interesting 16:56:30 enchant armour scrolls do nothing to melded armour 16:56:48 <|amethyst> can you select melded armour? 16:57:02 you can, on the first cast if it's unidentified 16:57:14 <|amethyst> that's a bug 16:57:29 <|amethyst> oh 16:57:35 <|amethyst> right 16:57:38 bug or feature? 16:57:48 <|amethyst> maybe a bug that you can ever select melded equipment there 16:57:55 mm 16:57:59 i'll ticket it i guess 16:58:17 <|amethyst> not sure if identify works on melded armour 17:06:09 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 17:06:33 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ragdoll] 17:18:30 -!- headzone has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:20:23 -!- headzone has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:49 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:25:22 -!- magistern has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:14 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:24 <|amethyst> hm, it does 17:31:38 <|amethyst> so either it shouldn't, or enchant should 17:32:18 |amethyst: worn armour is always fully identified, no? 17:32:22 heh, didn't know there was a "RogueTerm" for ios 17:32:42 <|amethyst> elliptic: outside of wizmode, I guess it is 17:32:45 3,99€ for a terminal emulator to connect to nethack or dcss 17:33:26 I could see enchant going either way, but probably enchant working is a bit better for gameplay purposes 17:34:05 since otherwise you have to carefully make sure you aren't in spider form or whatever before read-IDing scrolls early on 17:35:42 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:55 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:20 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:00:00 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:01:49 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:29:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:00 03galehar * r2170f1bfd070 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (ability.txt features.txt): Add missing %%%% at the end of some description files. 18:45:01 03galehar * r981afab49b6d 10/crawl-ref/source/util/tx-mktxt.pl: Fix the -t option of tx-mktxt 18:45:01 03galehar * rbe2c07a44e0e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/es/ (branches.txt commands.txt features.txt species.txt): New spanish translations. 18:45:01 03galehar * rc1b47a3ce8d1 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (ability.txt features.txt): Transifex format fix. 18:45:01 03galehar * rc10af2a703ac 10/crawl-ref/source/food.cc: Move a comment to where it makes sense. 18:45:01 03galehar * r8a81a27afff5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/es/branches.txt: Formatting fix. 18:45:02 03galehar * r835761c33230 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Fix bailing out early of some makefile targets 18:45:02 03galehar * r95173f0f1f69 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Improve the transifex workflow. 18:45:03 03galehar * r37daa9894b7c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (items.txt unident.txt): New descriptions for some items. 18:46:29 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:45 could have noted that the last commit had text improvement project stuff in it 18:49:57 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:03 <|amethyst> is TIP using transifex now? 18:51:44 magical staff -A stick imbued with magical properties. +A quarterstaff improved with arcane powers of unknown nature. 18:52:02 argh, enhancer staves do not have quarterstaff base-type, just staff 18:52:16 <|amethyst> HangedMan: it does mention it in the commit message 18:52:20 <|amethyst> HangedMan: just not in the subject 18:52:31 oh, whoops 18:52:31 missed that 19:03:39 antenna mutation is really nice just for the heads up on mimics 19:05:06 eep. wrong channel 19:06:05 yogaFLAME (L27 GhGl) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 942 failed. (Zot:4) 19:07:03 can there be a huge ice threat enemy besides ice fiends, please 19:08:43 <|amethyst> orb guardian simulacrum 19:08:54 -!- Blade- has quit [] 19:09:11 <|amethyst> (doesn't actually work) 19:09:11 abominable snowman 19:09:30 not for zot, just for ice caves and to make ice zigs not contain as much torment 19:09:33 <|amethyst> santa clause 19:09:37 <|amethyst> s/se/s/ 19:10:18 comet lords 19:10:54 <|amethyst> Ithaqua 19:12:21 glacier golem 19:13:08 <|amethyst> does blizzard demon count? 19:13:41 they're good but also still bloody demons 19:14:45 <|amethyst> ice beasttaurs 19:15:48 something about absolute zero 19:16:27 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:19 frozen behemoth 19:18:35 throws icicles (big ones), and kills you dead in melee 19:18:47 s/frozen/frost 19:18:48 so they can move 19:18:59 good night 19:19:36 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:20:11 something with a c shield and ozo's armour and passive freeze 19:20:24 03dolorous * r10fbded77b60 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Remove unneeded blank line. 19:20:24 03dolorous * rea400944a7c5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Fix punctuation. 19:20:24 03dolorous * r0fb82b328dc6 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Fix wording. 19:20:26 03dolorous * rd4f2ddf2ae96 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Fix whitespace. 19:20:26 03dolorous * r06df58f89a71 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Fix capitalization. 19:20:26 03dolorous * r137f61ea7bab 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Remove gender reference. 19:20:31 03dolorous * rc11ecdfbde00 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Add missing quotes. 19:21:14 that could have been one commit 19:22:06 ice-nine statues 19:24:03 giant mammoth-shaped ice elemental thing 19:24:55 mammotaur 19:25:49 orb of ice 19:26:32 whiteout wraith 19:26:43 wendigo 19:26:57 CIA RETURN SOH MY GOD 19:27:06 snowdrift spider 19:27:25 due how are the abyss monsters 19:27:42 frozen mummy!! 19:28:25 with otzi unique 19:29:24 unique bog mummy named otzi?? 19:29:59 first make bog mummies nonharmless 19:30:06 somehow 19:36:02 HangedMan: till residing in my mind. 19:36:09 boo 19:36:10 HangedMan: I had a strange dream about a weird monster that I could probably use for one thogh 19:36:17 good inspiration source 19:36:53 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:37:00 bog mummies should try to strangle you imo 19:46:18 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:56 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:23 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:20 Ahoy. 19:58:28 YOHA! 20:02:39 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:22 Hyao. 20:08:31 What were we talking about, again? Oh right, DCSS. 20:08:46 I'm reading some of the source code in an attempt to get acquainted with this game. 20:09:05 ahahaha 20:09:08 good luck :D 20:09:19 hahaha 20:09:34 Thanks. ^_^ 20:09:42 _reset_game() makes me nervous. 20:10:08 i got it working on netbsd.. i should get a medal for that ;) 20:10:32 nice 20:10:53 with just a small makefile patch required.. not sure if i should submit it or not 20:11:22 it shouldn't break other platforms at it depends on detecting NetBSD in the uname -s 20:12:33 snadge: ... wow 20:12:45 snadge: you do deserve a medal 20:15:37 at first i tried to port it to netbsd's curses.. to remove ncurses dependency 20:15:56 and that compiled.. but then for some reason i couldn't be bothered figuring out, you couldn't enter in a string 20:16:05 so it died at entering the players name as soon as you pressed a key 20:16:35 CURSES. 20:16:47 so then i tried to get it to link with ncursesw from ports.. and that was a pain in the ring because.. netbsd 20:18:00 it might work with netbsd 6 beta.. i could try that 20:18:14 but whatever.. nobody uses it.. but if you were to use it, you could at least play crawl 20:18:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:41 Is it fine if I ask basic C++ questions in here, or should I take them elsewhere? 20:25:20 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:27:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:15 Probable elsewhere, I think. Anyway, if you're already familiar with C, Crawl's usage of C++ should mostly not be too mysterious. 20:27:34 And if you aren't familiar with C, reading these sources may not be the best way to become acquainted with it. 20:27:46 tswett: ask away 20:29:39 *nod* This particular question I've found the answer to elsewhere. 20:33:22 -!- Mottie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:34:48 -!- xnmojo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:09 is there any demand for an artist for tiles? 20:37:10 xnmojo: there are pretty much always things needing new tiles, and if there aren't, there are old tiles nobody likes that can be redone 20:37:48 is there a good place i can learn about what tiles are missing/need redoing/file size/format and where to submit them? 20:39:39 are you familiar with mantis? it is our issue tracker 20:40:01 tiles stuff gets submitted through there, so you can look at how existing people have posted things (sometimes they even do it unsolicited) 20:40:12 nope 20:40:42 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view_all_bug_page.php 20:40:47 'Upload: Graphics' 20:41:06 Judging by where it's called, _input() gets a command and carries it out. I don't see where within it the command is actually carried out, though. 20:41:25 i believe that on the dev wiki, there is a list of things that need tiles 20:41:37 thanks a bunch. 20:41:54 Never mind, there it is. process_command(). 20:42:01 What's the significance of an underscore at the beginning of a function name? 20:42:21 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:tiles_creation 20:42:22 tswett: It's a function that is static and local to that file only 20:42:24 ah, this is what you want 20:42:34 due: 'except when it isn't' 20:42:53 tswett: in which case someone needs to dump the leading underscore :D 20:44:33 * tswett nods. 20:45:46 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:21 I notice that _experience_check() says "however many levels worth of XP". Should we change "levels worth" to "levels' worth"? 20:55:18 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:24 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:00 theres also a bug if you resize the terminal window.. crawl can crash 21:05:08 i found that kind of amusing 21:06:03 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:09 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]] 21:10:29 -!- [1]capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:41 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:10:44 -!- [1]capablanca is now known as mikee_ 21:16:26 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:20 -!- Heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:33 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:01 So, that's main.cc. 21:31:09 I'm sure the other source files are all simpler, right? Right? 21:45:12 tswett: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 21:45:13 * due coughs. 21:45:21 tswett: avoid dungeon.cc 21:47:57 well.. i had my first taste of crawl source when trying to figure out why it wouldn't build on netbsd 21:48:10 and i stepped through the input line code with gdb 21:48:30 i saw that one of the functions returned -1.. and it just bails.. literally exits the program 21:48:33 no error message or nothing 21:49:01 and it went through a labryrinth of calls, just to input a single string 21:50:04 after stepping through some of those functions.. internally, i just went "fuck this, nobody else cares.. why should i" .. and linked it against ncursesw instead of the native curses library ;) 22:07:31 tswett: While you're at it, avoid beam.cc 22:07:47 Unless that got cleaned up while I wasn't looking 22:08:31 Oh, and the monster-selection code 22:09:41 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:55 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:09:59 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 22:12:02 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:08 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:12:08 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 22:12:49 I'm doing it. I'm looking at dungeon.cc. 22:13:16 * dtsund actually finds dungeon.cc relatively tractable compared to some other parts 22:13:58 The codepath taken when you cast Ice Storm makes me cringe 22:14:15 (Fire Storm doesn't have this problem, but that fact also makes me cringe) 22:15:31 Dude, this code makes so much sense. I just memorized that entire file. 22:17:34 well, zaba did clean it up a lot 22:20:52 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:59 Bah, I see refine_for_explosion still exists. 22:23:28 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:08 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:11 nobody cares about the system level code right.. that stuff just gets in the way of crawl development ;) 22:36:43 whereas im the opposite.. i've played crawl for about maybe.. 20 hours.. and i know very little about the actual game itself 22:36:49 and that was years ago 22:46:24 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:57 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:16 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:36 hey i was asking about making tiles before, so i made a quick jackal tile... http://i.imgur.com/NTxhu.png thoughts? 23:13:13 just an early draft. not sure if there's too much contrast 23:14:25 * due click 23:14:40 do you have a zoomed-out version? otherwise, it looks pretty good so far 23:16:26 heres the .png http://i.imgur.com/unGD8.png 23:17:21 whoops that looks messed up 23:18:05 never mind thats it. 23:19:52 same image not zoomed in: http://i.imgur.com/gwEAa.png 23:21:12 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:46 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:24:46 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 23:25:59 is there any news about webtiles being down btw? 23:27:09 -!- [1]capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:32 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:27:35 -!- [1]capablanca is now known as mikee_ 23:37:14 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:37:43 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:26 -!- xnmojo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:52:08 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev